**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 02:59:56 2010
Apr 29 03:18:16 <dl9pf> moin
Apr 29 03:18:44 <Stskeeps> moin
Apr 29 03:19:14 <Stskeeps> dl9pf: WAHa_06x36 is working on meego beagle too. check irc logs of this channel, he had some solutions
Apr 29 03:29:23 <dl9pf> tnx, grepping
Apr 29 08:11:07 <Termana> good morning
Apr 29 08:11:13 <Termana> err
Apr 29 08:11:25 <Termana> its not morning so I don't know why I said morning
Apr 29 08:45:06 <sri> in mer rootfs, how can i restrict X to start and directly start console?
Apr 29 10:36:37 <slaine> !tumbleweed
Apr 29 10:40:19 <Anss|> ~curse Voldemort
Apr 29 10:40:21 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Voldemort !
Apr 29 10:45:27 <Termana> Anyone know what happened to the 28/4 TSG meeting log? Its not where it normally is (http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/)
Apr 29 10:47:27 <shankly> hey folks, is there a working image to test meego?
Apr 29 10:48:48 <shankly> the one on the site has no working desktop environment
Apr 29 10:49:25 <Surfa> first release doesn't have desktop environment
Apr 29 10:49:34 <Surfa> it's working, but only on the command line
Apr 29 10:49:50 <tekojo> Termana the meeting was cancelled last minute
Apr 29 10:50:17 <tekojo> both Imad and Valtteri could not make it to a connected location
Apr 29 10:50:49 <shankly> and when we will see it with the de? also a not full working release
Apr 29 10:52:06 <shankly> a pre-alpha, a pre-pre-alpha, a neither alpha
Apr 29 10:52:20 <Surfa> sometimes it's sad that people consider anything without graphical ui as non functional
Apr 29 10:52:47 <Surfa> it's not that long ago when there was no such thing in most environments..
Apr 29 10:53:35 <shankly> i'm not considering it non functional, but i'd like to see what it will
Apr 29 10:53:46 <Termana> tekojo, ahh ok fair enough. So it hasn't been rescheduled I assume, we are just to wait for next weeks one?
Apr 29 10:54:24 <Termana> Lucky I didn't go getting myself back up at 4 in the morning for it then :P
Apr 29 10:54:44 <shankly> *be
Apr 29 10:55:21 <shankly> and it's a non sense, to test it on my netbook just to see a shell
Apr 29 10:55:38 <shankly> if i want only a shell, i use debian
Apr 29 10:55:39 <tekojo> Termana: it's the next weeks one directly
Apr 29 10:56:02 <Surfa> shankly, and debian and plain shell are linked to each other how? :)
Apr 29 10:56:09 <timeless_mbp> tekdo you remember who had dns control for meego.com?
Apr 29 10:57:45 <shankly> are not linked, but what I want to say, is that I would like to test meego with the de, and that without de i've nothing to do
Apr 29 10:58:12 <shankly> my question, know, is just regarding schedule
Apr 29 10:58:21 <timeless_mbp> mxr.moego.org is what it would look like fwiw
Apr 29 10:59:08 <shankly> is there a date to release an alpha with meego and it's de?
Apr 29 11:01:15 <tekojo> timless_mbp can't remember, but can ask and get back to you
Apr 29 11:01:59 <timeless_mbp> thanks
Apr 29 11:03:17 <timeless_mbp> i suppose we could stick mxr.moego.org into the topic so people could play with it for a while
Apr 29 11:03:44 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, i'm trying to index the latest meego repo sources
Apr 29 11:03:59 <timeless_mbp> but my box doesn't have 'xz', and building things is moderately painful
Apr 29 11:05:32 <tekojo> timeless_mbp I assume you would want mxr.meego.com to point at it?
Apr 29 11:18:10 <dl9pf_> Stskeeps: tnx for the pointer ! works . (still need to poll watchdog, but it runs)
Apr 29 11:22:36 <ShadowJK> moe go :)
Apr 29 11:37:22 <WAHa_06x36> well, no luck getting any information about my watchdog troubles yet.
Apr 29 11:37:37 <WAHa_06x36> maybe I can chmod it 000 at some point in the bootup to kludge it.
Apr 29 11:52:41 <WAHa_06x36> of course that doesn't work since it doesn't apply to root anyway... sigh.
Apr 29 11:52:54 <WAHa_06x36> and even using udev rules to rename /dev/watchdog doesn't help!
Apr 29 11:53:08 <WAHa_06x36> this is some PERSISTENT task that wants to mess with my watchdog.
Apr 29 12:06:32 <timeless_mbp> tekojo: yes
Apr 29 12:06:43 <timeless_mbp> (sorry, meetings)
Apr 29 12:08:41 <PolarFox> Meetings, the practical alternative to work.
Apr 29 12:11:55 <chakie_work> rumour has it that someone has actually been in a meeting that was useful
Apr 29 12:13:19 <Anss|> really?
Apr 29 12:14:19 <Anss|> then things must be really bad, if meeting is useful :)
Apr 29 12:15:33 <Surfa> well, meetings are useful, if they are used correctly..
Apr 29 12:15:49 <timeless_mbp> tekojo: thanks for the email
Apr 29 12:15:54 <Surfa> with correct people about things that really need meeting
Apr 29 12:15:56 <villemv> better yet, I guy I know once attended a useful telco
Apr 29 12:16:49 <jusliukk> villemv, i bet he was a telco equipment salesperson
Apr 29 12:16:52 <Surfa> well, it completely depends on what do you do and who are you working with
Apr 29 12:17:26 <Surfa> telcos and meetings do have their purpose and are extremely vital for some things
Apr 29 12:17:52 <Anss|> Surfa, need is the magic word, normally people to tend prefer self organization in this business (imo)
Apr 29 12:18:08 <Anss|> or hobby
Apr 29 12:19:10 <villemv> is there any way a telco beats irc, apart from the fact that some people refuse to use irc?
Apr 29 12:19:14 <Surfa> yes of course.. :) but complex systems are pretty impossible to get up and running if not having meetings.. especially if people are located in china finland and usa for example
Apr 29 12:19:31 <Surfa> villemv, in every way :)
Apr 29 12:20:42 <Surfa> when you write something down, if there is anything that may be understood incorrectly, it will.. and no one will ask anything because you have to write even more
Apr 29 12:21:06 <Surfa> and if someone asks, then you have 500klines of discussion that is absolutely impossible to follow
Apr 29 12:21:40 <villemv> as opposed to telco, when you have nothing as a record? ;-)
Apr 29 12:22:04 <villemv> not to mention problems with foreign accents, ...
Apr 29 12:22:16 <Surfa> surprisingly there are live meeting solutions for telcos that are used for note taking
Apr 29 12:22:29 <slaine> I've had a lot of meetings this week
Apr 29 12:22:31 <villemv> yeah, note taking but not actual records of what people said
Apr 29 12:22:42 <slaine> most surprisingly productive, for a change
Apr 29 12:23:16 <Surfa> villemv, it doesn't matter how people say and what.. outcome is important and that's wy meetings should take place in the first place
Apr 29 12:23:17 <villemv> and writing down something complex is much easier than speaking it out, to the extent that you won't bother to do it at all
Apr 29 12:23:48 <villemv> I mean in a spoken setting, you may just choose to neglect to mention something
Apr 29 12:23:59 <Surfa> i haven't met ever a single person that is able to explain themselves better by writing in irc than talking in telco
Apr 29 12:24:24 <Surfa> some do think so but when really trying to work with them, that's not quite the case
Apr 29 12:24:33 <Surfa> you need to call them anyway to clear things up
Apr 29 12:24:48 <villemv> one-on-one call is a different thing
Apr 29 12:25:05 <villemv> it's a conversation, not a conference ;-)
Apr 29 12:25:37 <Surfa> surprisingly also in the telco you can talk one to one, it doesn't mean that everyone should talk all the time
Apr 29 12:25:56 <villemv> yes, but everyone needs to *listen*
Apr 29 12:26:09 <Surfa> not really, every thing is not in interest of everyone
Apr 29 12:26:14 <villemv> you are stealing everyones time by talking one-on-one for a long time
Apr 29 12:26:44 <Surfa> it doesn't make telcos unuseful, it just how you use them
Apr 29 12:26:51 <Surfa> it's
Apr 29 12:27:15 <Surfa> some thing need to be continued afterwards, some require more people.. that's the skill
Apr 29 12:27:59 <Anss|> i don't know how anything technical can really be communicated trough phone lines, it is difficult even in meeting room situation
Apr 29 12:28:32 <Anss|> *through
Apr 29 12:28:37 <Surfa> if 10 people are talking in the irc, it's always difficult to follow who's responding to who and what comment is intended to what topic.. so i can't see any case where irc would be better
Apr 29 12:28:56 <Surfa> Anss|, how do you plan doing that on irc? :)
Apr 29 12:29:25 <villemv> I dunno, it may be an acquired mindset. i think you can easily follow 4+ conversations on irc if they proceed at moderate pace
Apr 29 12:29:26 <Anss|> using references to some real information.
Apr 29 12:29:33 <Surfa> Anss|, sure.. but you can add some graphs and msc's on the live meeting solutions
Apr 29 12:29:35 <Anss|> www.google.com
Apr 29 12:29:35 <villemv> you can also scroll back to see what was said
Apr 29 12:30:05 <villemv> as opposed to telcos where you need to ask what was just said, "I didn't get the question"...
Apr 29 12:30:14 <villemv> we'd need an objective test for this
Apr 29 12:30:42 <Surfa> villemv, now we have third person in this discussion and it seems to get a little too complex already as Anss| is talking about something I something else and you have your own interests :)
Apr 29 12:30:52 <Anss|> Surfa, does live meeting work on linux?
Apr 29 12:31:02 <villemv> live meeting VIEWING works on linux
Apr 29 12:31:06 <Surfa> Anss|, not necessarily live meeting, but similar solutions exist on all platforms
Apr 29 12:31:10 <villemv> but you can't share your desktop
Apr 29 12:31:29 <Anss|> i don't have windows, it is not needed for coder.
Apr 29 12:31:31 <Surfa> i've seen actually solution also for symbian
Apr 29 12:32:08 <villemv> telcos are nice for presentation though
Apr 29 12:32:38 <Surfa> villemv, if talking about ms livemeeting, i think that it's web based and should work pretty much on anything with java?
Apr 29 12:32:43 <villemv> argh, just noted I missed a telco :-)
Apr 29 12:32:48 <Surfa> :D
Apr 29 12:32:54 <Surfa> irc is more interesting
Apr 29 12:33:09 <villemv> Surfa: yes, you can view a meeting with the java interfage
Apr 29 12:33:12 <Surfa> villemv, livemeeting viewer i mean
Apr 29 12:33:18 <villemv> but it can't expose your desktop
Apr 29 12:33:32 <Surfa> yep, we're on the same page then
Apr 29 12:35:03 <Anss|> im not. sorry :)
Apr 29 12:35:44 <Anss|> another wasted meeting when i could have cracked few bugs.
Apr 29 12:35:57 <Surfa> hmm, actually sharing should be possible also with web-interface for ms live meeting
Apr 29 12:37:23 <Surfa> ..but not on the linux.. :)
Apr 29 14:44:40 * slaine waves at nedrichards 
Apr 29 14:44:46 <slaine> nice to see you back
Apr 29 14:45:07 * Stskeeps yawns
Apr 29 14:45:15 <Stskeeps> that was an enjoyable drive
Apr 29 14:45:31 <slaine> Well, you're still alive, that's a bonus
Apr 29 14:45:40 <slaine> nice to be home
Apr 29 14:45:42 <slaine> ?
Apr 29 14:45:45 <nedrichards> slaine: elo
Apr 29 14:45:51 <nedrichards> yes, very nice to be back
Apr 29 14:45:58 <slaine> cool
Apr 29 14:46:06 <Stskeeps> i am wondering what this strange language is people talk here
Apr 29 14:46:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 29 14:46:17 <slaine> Stskeeps: !polish ;)
Apr 29 14:49:55 <bedgen> meego is usefull distr at the moment of not?
Apr 29 14:50:16 <bedgen> for multimedia docs and web brousing
Apr 29 14:52:27 <slaine> bedgen: it's not released yet
Apr 29 14:52:57 <bedgen> ohh. and when it will?
Apr 29 14:53:20 <slaine> Within the next  33 days
Apr 29 15:10:53 <PostmanPechk> hi
Apr 29 15:11:18 <PostmanPechk> is anybody here from Moscow?
Apr 29 16:03:37 <Termana> Good morning to the other half of the world that must of just woken up (by the look of all the joins :P)
Apr 29 16:06:57 * lbt is rather pleased to see the arguing on -dev ....
Apr 29 16:10:35 <Termana> I'm rather pleased that I feel like I'm CC'ing some rather more important people than me for once :P
Apr 29 16:17:21 <slaine> k
Apr 29 16:17:25 <slaine> oops
Apr 29 16:17:27 <slaine> wrong window
Apr 29 16:19:14 <javispedro> lbt: kernel process arguing?
Apr 29 16:19:19 <lbt> yes
Apr 29 16:20:25 <javispedro> conversation went harsh quickly
Apr 29 16:21:15 <Stskeeps> it was a question, turned into a bug report, it just had to end there..
Apr 29 16:21:30 <Stskeeps> as arjan sanely agreed
Apr 29 16:26:58 <Jaffa> Indeed.
Apr 29 16:27:53 <lbt> kinda don't care... happy to see real, uncensored, life
Apr 29 16:31:20 <Termana> I'm not quite sure a bug report would suffice. A bug report would just sweep the subject under the carpet. There seems to be a larger issue than just the Documentation. Arjan still seems to be arguing that Intel control the kernel maintenance, but that the documentation be changed to make it look like Intel are following a process.
Apr 29 16:31:37 <Termana> Which if Intel controls the kernel solely, no one cares weather they are following process or not.
Apr 29 16:32:35 <Stskeeps> no, he said exactly the right thing
Apr 29 16:33:53 <arjan> the kernel document is garbage, I hadn't seen it before.... sorry about that
Apr 29 16:34:01 <arjan> we need a simple process that is clear and obvious
Apr 29 16:34:05 <arjan> and in practice we have that
Apr 29 16:34:07 <Termana> Ah right hes right here :P
Apr 29 16:34:15 <arjan> just the document does not match the reality
Apr 29 16:34:37 <arjan> Termana: I'm not arguing that Intel is the sole maintainer.
Apr 29 16:34:46 <arjan> right now we do most of the work there, but there's nokia guys already as well
Apr 29 16:34:50 <GAN900> What a mess.
Apr 29 16:34:57 <arjan> what I don't understand is the objection to intel having maintainerships in meego
Apr 29 16:35:03 <arjan> because that's what the tone turned into
Apr 29 16:35:49 <Termana> Arjan - No, I don't believe the tone has turned into Intel having the maintainership, but more that Intel has FULL maintainership.
Apr 29 16:35:51 <lbt> arjan: I didn't take that impression from the mails
Apr 29 16:35:58 <TSCHAKeee> neither did i
Apr 29 16:36:00 <GAN900> Nor I
Apr 29 16:36:03 * TSCHAKeee has been following as well
Apr 29 16:36:22 <TSCHAKeee> it really just seems like a slight comms snafu
Apr 29 16:36:25 <TSCHAKeee> if anything
Apr 29 16:36:32 <lbt> *nod*
Apr 29 16:36:33 <TSCHAKeee> we've got some aggregate confusion.
Apr 29 16:37:00 <lbt> and lots of people saying "mea culpa" and rushing to fix it... apart from Greg who's confused ;)
Apr 29 16:37:01 <TSCHAKeee> quim is right, nothing like this has ever been tried
Apr 29 16:37:10 <lbt> but he's allowed.
Apr 29 16:37:15 <TSCHAKeee> hahahahahahaha
Apr 29 16:37:17 <lbt> arjan: anyhow... when you have a minute... I wanted to ask about kiwi vs mic2
Apr 29 16:37:25 <TSCHAKeee> kiwi ?
Apr 29 16:37:30 <Termana> Which is good in its own way (aggregated confusion). It means that good discussion is happening (?)
Apr 29 16:37:54 <lbt> TSCHAKeee: stay tuned...
Apr 29 16:38:21 <arjan> lbt: we looked at kiwi way back, but it didn't do what we wanted
Apr 29 16:38:30 <arjan> lbt: do you have issues with mic2 ?
Apr 29 16:38:39 <lbt> arjan: no
Apr 29 16:39:03 <lbt> I mainly have issues with developing an imaging system that's not as integrated into the build system as it could be
Apr 29 16:39:26 <arjan> there is a whole bunch of integration on the back end
Apr 29 16:39:28 <lbt> I know kiwi is no good today
Apr 29 16:39:43 <arjan> I know that we (almost) have the capability to regenerate images on each build complete etc
Apr 29 16:39:44 <lbt> and I'm writing a version of build that wraps mic2
Apr 29 16:40:13 <lbt> so right now I'm integrating mic2 into the OBS
Apr 29 16:40:19 <lbt> but...
Apr 29 16:40:44 <lbt> the question is .... do we aim to move towards kiwi and focus our efforts there
Apr 29 16:40:52 <lbt> with the suse/obs developers
Apr 29 16:41:08 <lbt> or do we maintain mic2 and meego maintains the mic2/obs integration
Apr 29 16:41:15 <arjan> I don't think we have that plan; mic2 is there to stay
Apr 29 16:41:45 <lbt> it feels like we should use kiwi on the "use upstream tools" argument
Apr 29 16:42:03 <lbt> this is gentle exploration BTW
Apr 29 16:42:27 <lbt> I know the kiwi devs would like to help us
Apr 29 16:42:46 <lbt> so it's worth raising the issue for discussion
Apr 29 16:44:26 <Termana> arjan, I don't mean to have offended you at all if you believe I had that intention from my posts to the mailing list and if I have in any way, I am sorry. (re: Intel's maintainership of the MeeGo kernel)
Apr 29 16:45:23 <lbt> arjan: so Nokia should be investing time+resource into mic2 based imaging and meego (not opensuse/OBS) will be maintaining the integration into OBS
Apr 29 16:51:05 <slaine> commute time, catch you all later
Apr 29 16:59:42 <Termana> 2:30am here for me. Good night guys
Apr 29 17:03:31 <arjan> lbtL yum
Apr 29 17:03:32 <arjan> yup
Apr 29 17:03:56 <lbt> arjan: fine...  I'll get to it ;)
Apr 29 17:05:46 <lbt> arjan: I've already spoken to adrianS and he's confirmed the approach; FYI in case anyone else is working on this.
Apr 29 17:29:27 * CosmoHill shoots his lecturer
Apr 29 17:31:53 <Stskeeps> channel is logged
Apr 29 17:31:54 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 29 17:32:18 <CosmoHill> figuratively speaking
Apr 29 17:32:19 <CosmoHill> <.<
Apr 29 17:32:20 <CosmoHill> >.>
Apr 29 17:32:34 <javispedro> too late, police is coming to scene
Apr 29 17:32:52 <CosmoHill> he did press all the wrong buttons
Apr 29 18:03:49 <polac> Hi! Does anyone know when there will be release  with somekind of UX?
Apr 29 18:04:05 <CosmoHill> may i think
Apr 29 18:04:31 <polac> great!
Apr 29 18:06:20 <vgrade> Cosmo, you should not have to think about it,its the most asked question atm
Apr 29 18:06:52 <polac> CosmoHill, Can one read about it somewhere?
Apr 29 18:07:21 <CosmoHill> try milestones or the TSG logs
Apr 29 18:07:26 <GAN900> Bleh, wish the Summit location selection had been brought out in the open a little sooner
Apr 29 18:07:32 <GAN900> Open--but not!
Apr 29 18:07:53 <CosmoHill> GAN900: like saying I'm allowed to pick any 6 modules I want and then giving me a choice of 6?
Apr 29 18:08:57 <polac> CosmoHill, thx! I will go and digg deeper.
Apr 29 18:09:10 <CosmoHill> curse you digg.com
Apr 29 18:10:21 <CosmoHill> anyone in here good with object orientated design, C++ and willing to be kidnapped?
Apr 29 18:10:38 <crysaz> :D
Apr 29 18:11:03 <thiago_home> location selection?
Apr 29 18:11:08 <thiago_home> this is not about vote, but about $$
Apr 29 18:11:12 <thiago_home> or €€ for that matter
Apr 29 18:11:35 <thiago_home> CosmoHill: there's always #c++, but I can lend a hand.
Apr 29 18:12:27 <GAN900> thiago_home, we didn't have any issue picking Maemo Summit locations.
Apr 29 18:12:41 <GAN900> Dunno why the process needed to be behind closed doors for MeeGo.
Apr 29 18:13:01 <thiago_home> I think I saw this morning even price quotes in the wiki
Apr 29 18:13:22 <thiago_home> I think that's open
Apr 29 18:13:33 <GAN900> After the fact
Apr 29 18:13:43 <thiago_home> yeah
Apr 29 18:13:47 <thiago_home> negotiations usually are closed
Apr 29 18:13:50 <GAN900> Once a location was basically selected and turned out to be subpar
Apr 29 18:13:52 <GAN900> Well, duh
Apr 29 18:13:56 <Stskeeps> wasn't it tenative?
Apr 29 18:14:14 <GAN900> So we got about a week to try to find another.
Apr 29 18:14:29 <thiago_home> so do you want to help?
Apr 29 18:14:33 <CosmoHill> my lecturer said that my design wasn't properly object orientated to which i reacted badly
Apr 29 18:14:38 <GAN900> Too late now
Apr 29 18:14:47 <javispedro> CosmoHill: You killed it?
Apr 29 18:15:02 <GAN900> Looks like Amsterdam is likely to be the location.
Apr 29 18:15:16 <polac> CosmoHill, Is your "design" in some public repo?
Apr 29 18:15:19 <CosmoHill> i said something like "f**k you I'm finishing the interface and then that's it"
Apr 29 18:15:21 <thiago_home> do you have better suggestions?
Apr 29 18:15:23 <thiago_home> there's still time
Apr 29 18:16:31 <GAN900> To get a quote from a venue and deliver all of the needed info by tomorrow?
Apr 29 18:16:38 <GAN900> Not likely
Apr 29 18:16:42 <CosmoHill> polac: erm one moment, my dns needs updating
Apr 29 18:16:45 <thiago_home> do you know potential venues?
Apr 29 18:16:50 <GAN900> See the thread on the forums under Community.
Apr 29 18:16:51 <thiago_home> places you'd call?
Apr 29 18:17:32 * thiago_home thinks that there should be an organising committee
Apr 29 18:18:32 <GAN900> Is
Apr 29 18:18:47 <GAN900> All @intel or @nokia, unfortunately.
Apr 29 18:18:51 <javispedro> heh, huelva.
Apr 29 18:19:57 <thiago_home> I don't think it's a problem that negotiations happen behind closed doors. I also don't think it's a problem that discarded locations don't even get mentioned.
Apr 29 18:20:17 <thiago_home> the places probably would prefer that way, rather than a stamp on "you're bad"
Apr 29 18:20:44 <CosmoHill> polac: http://62.56.57.201/uni-web/c++/
Apr 29 18:20:49 <thiago_home> however, participation in the committee should be open to the community
Apr 29 18:20:49 <CosmoHill> the username and password are "ag"
Apr 29 18:21:01 <CosmoHill> ignore the ._ files, I have no idea why my mac makes them
Apr 29 18:22:15 <polac> CosmoHill, let's see, allthough I'm not pro in these things.
Apr 29 18:22:32 <CosmoHill> polac: I've been doing c++ for 11 weeks now so.... :p
Apr 29 18:23:39 <CosmoHill> what my lecturer doesn't like is that mapclass interacts with player class in the way that is does
Apr 29 18:23:44 <VDVsx> Amsterdam again ? :( I want to know new cities :D
Apr 29 18:23:49 <thiago_home> CosmoHill: when your professor tells you that it's not OO design, he probably means there's not enough abstraction
Apr 29 18:24:30 <VDVsx> GAN900, have the link to that thread by hand ? :)
Apr 29 18:24:33 <thiago_home> also remember that a class's job is to protect the invariant. So avoid making assumptions of how one class behaves in another's code. Abstract that away.
Apr 29 18:25:22 <CosmoHill> do you think that I should move the functions that deal with the player class from mapclass to main.cpp ?
Apr 29 18:25:43 <CosmoHill> cos part of me is just thinking i should finish the interface and not touch the rest of the code
Apr 29 18:28:29 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=88
Apr 29 18:28:44 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, thanks
Apr 29 18:28:55 <polac> CosmoHill, little interruption. Now I will look at your code.
Apr 29 18:29:04 <CosmoHill> merci
Apr 29 18:29:13 <VDVsx> wow, not AMS but huelva, lololol
Apr 29 18:29:18 <GeneralAntilles> thiago_home, not the part of the process I'm concerned about.
Apr 29 18:29:24 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, read the thread.
Apr 29 18:29:56 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: At least there's no sodding Chuck Norris :-/
Apr 29 18:29:58 <polac> CosmoHill, btw. it's two years when I last coded c++. But I need to refresh my skill because of Qt & meego. :)
Apr 29 18:30:20 <GeneralAntilles> Perhaps I'm just being irritable since I was involved in the selection for 2009.
Apr 29 18:30:21 <GeneralAntilles> Oh well.
Apr 29 18:30:23 <CosmoHill> I plan to go on to Qt in the summer
Apr 29 18:32:01 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: That neither qgil nor petermeego seem particularly happy with the venue is... surprising.
Apr 29 18:32:09 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, yeah.
Apr 29 18:32:14 <Jartza> lot of interest towards Qt lately :)
Apr 29 18:32:15 <GeneralAntilles> So, let's blame Intel! ;)
Apr 29 18:32:25 <Jartza> which is good, as I'm an instructor, teaching for example Qt Programming :)
Apr 29 18:33:11 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Anyone with an @intel.com email address can organise the conference ;-)
Apr 29 18:36:22 <GAN900> lol
Apr 29 18:37:19 * VDVsx notices that petermaemo become petermeego, lol
Apr 29 18:37:39 <Jaffa> VDVsx: :)
Apr 29 18:40:25 <CosmoHill> yay, my lecturer isn't angry with me :)
Apr 29 18:41:15 <CosmoHill> haha
Apr 29 18:42:08 <VDVsx> huelva would be nice, but the connections aren't good, Sevilha airport is very small(few flights) and Faro airport in the winter is almost desert :P
Apr 29 18:42:43 * CosmoHill puts scotland on the list
Apr 29 18:42:56 * lbt adds Iceland
Apr 29 18:42:59 <VDVsx> lol
Apr 29 18:43:00 <lcuk> we should get the volcano to blow again and choose somewhere within walking distance!
Apr 29 18:43:03 <lcuk> lol
Apr 29 18:43:04 <lbt> what could go wrong?
Apr 29 18:43:22 <VDVsx> lbt, extended vacations on Iceland :D
Apr 29 18:43:42 <CosmoHill> anything within mainland europe can be accessed if the volcano does blow
Apr 29 18:43:53 <CosmoHill> i mean you maybe driving for over a day to get there
Apr 29 18:44:05 <CosmoHill> and your flight might land in the wrong country, but it's possible
Apr 29 18:44:56 * lcuk adds extremely vital request to the forum
Apr 29 18:45:04 <lcuk> http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=804&postcount=43
Apr 29 18:53:05 <GeneralAntilles> I say we hold it at VDVsx's new apartment.
Apr 29 18:54:52 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, sure, I'm expecting amazing weather here in Nov ;)
Apr 29 18:55:10 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, you provide the cold weather survival gear. :P
Apr 29 18:55:39 <VDVsx> even better I suggest to host the conference in a park near to my house
Apr 29 18:55:45 <VDVsx> open space FTW :P
Apr 29 18:55:49 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, 500 people in VDVsx's appt WOULD be warm
Apr 29 18:58:19 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 29 18:58:27 <CosmoHill> thanks thiago_home
Apr 29 20:47:04 * lbt looks around...
Apr 29 21:03:54 <jedix> hello
Apr 29 21:52:57 * CosmoHill just got home from uni
Apr 29 21:53:26 <thiago_home> how did it go with the professor?
Apr 29 21:55:44 <CosmoHill> well I text him saying sorry for swearing at him
Apr 29 21:55:57 <CosmoHill> and he said it's okay, he probably deserved it
Apr 29 21:57:06 <CosmoHill> I didn't speak to him when I went back as they'd all gone before i left the first time
Apr 29 21:57:09 <CosmoHill> hey DawnFoster
Apr 29 21:57:16 <DawnFoster> Hey CosmoHill
Apr 29 21:57:25 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: the good thing about working last is that it's free parking after 5pm
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Apr 29 22:00:18 * CosmoHill pokes nslu2-log
Apr 29 22:06:50 <CosmoHill> I did manage to get myself almost locked in a building
Apr 29 22:57:20 <CosmoHill> is it possible to have hayfever for ages
Apr 29 22:57:25 <CosmoHill> and then not have it one year?
Apr 29 23:07:14 <tripzero> probably
Apr 29 23:07:40 <tripzero> CosmoHill, maybe there is less "hay" in the air this year in your area?
Apr 29 23:07:55 <tripzero> also, boosting your immune system also helps with allergies
Apr 29 23:08:12 <tripzero> i was pretty allergic to something for 2 years of my life, but now I'm okay
Apr 29 23:08:43 <tripzero> furthermore, you can blame global warming/climate change
Apr 29 23:08:45 <CosmoHill> I've had hayfever since I was 11 as far as I can remember
Apr 29 23:08:48 <CosmoHill> this year I'm alrightr
Apr 29 23:08:48 <tripzero> :p
Apr 29 23:09:00 <CosmoHill> I mean it's getting to me a bit but not enough that i require meds
Apr 29 23:09:17 <lcuk> CosmoHill, have you checked if you became a zombie?
Apr 29 23:09:23 <tripzero> haha
Apr 29 23:09:23 <lcuk> i have never seen one with hayfever
Apr 29 23:09:27 <CosmoHill> ....
Apr 29 23:09:29 <CosmoHill> shit
Apr 29 23:09:34 <CosmoHill> you might be on to something there
Apr 29 23:09:35 <lcuk> language!
Apr 29 23:09:42 <CosmoHill> english
Apr 29 23:09:46 <tripzero> lol
Apr 29 23:09:58 * lcuk slaps u with frals' trout
Apr 29 23:10:11 <TSCHAKeee> we're all adults here
Apr 29 23:10:29 <tripzero> not according to my wife...
Apr 29 23:10:31 <TSCHAKeee> we say things far more caustic than any expletive :P
Apr 29 23:10:34 <lcuk> nor mine
Apr 29 23:10:47 <lcuk> lol
Apr 29 23:11:00 * lcuk cursed muchly at weekend
Apr 29 23:37:49 * CosmoHill dances cos he has a working registration page
Apr 29 23:42:26 <CosmoHill> md5 or sha1?
Apr 29 23:57:56 <tripzero> md5
Apr 29 23:58:17 <CosmoHill> eh to late
Apr 29 23:58:39 <tripzero> awe :(
Apr 29 23:58:47 * CosmoHill pets tripzero 
Apr 30 00:18:29 <CosmoHill> the newest placebo album is quiet nice actially
Apr 30 00:18:45 <CosmoHill> i didn't like it orginally but now it's 1:20am it sounds good
Apr 30 00:48:05 <lcuk> is there an overview of getting wireless networking configured from the meego console
Apr 30 01:24:50 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 30 02:26:23 <Termana_n810> hey hey
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