**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 30 02:59:57 2010 Apr 30 05:32:10 morning Apr 30 05:32:47 morning Apr 30 07:06:38 Anybody else? Apr 30 07:07:07 I'm a newer Apr 30 07:09:07 #help Apr 30 07:34:24 o/ Apr 30 07:47:18 Morning, all Apr 30 07:47:32 morning Apr 30 08:03:24 hi Jaffa, Stskeeps Apr 30 08:03:42 we had a good OBS discussion last night :) Apr 30 08:04:25 Jaffa: when's your deadline for MWN ? and is MeeGo ontopic Apr 30 08:15:23 hello everyone Apr 30 08:31:33 anaZ: ping Apr 30 08:32:00 according to : http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines#Changelogs Apr 30 08:32:31 meego changelogs don't have a version in their header Apr 30 10:10:38 is there some way to subscribe to particular threads on forum.meego.com? Apr 30 10:12:07 isn't there 'thread tools'? Apr 30 10:12:14 underneath there you can subscribe Apr 30 10:13:28 Stskeeps: there's no option for that - could be a feature which isn't switched on for forum.meego.com Apr 30 10:13:33 hmm Apr 30 10:13:59 Stskeeps: aha, just because I wasn't logged in; thanks Apr 30 10:14:07 yeah, just saw the same Apr 30 10:15:16 I ran into something similar on the wiki Apr 30 10:15:28 you can use the search box on the main page unless you're logged in Apr 30 10:21:53 lbt: Sunday night, MeeGo is ON-topic. Apr 30 10:22:23 :) Apr 30 10:22:35 just the news on the OBS and CAT / CRT Apr 30 11:09:04 any one tested on ACER aspire one 110 ? Apr 30 11:10:25 hamid1771, nop is acer110 an atom ? Apr 30 11:10:45 koupsa , yess this is atom Apr 30 11:11:54 it should work Apr 30 11:12:07 koupsa Thanx Apr 30 11:12:47 but for now is only a dev version. no really user interface, only a term hamid11771 Apr 30 11:13:20 you mean meego is in beta now ? Apr 30 11:16:05 yes you can try it on chroot, qemu or usb stick. fine to test compatibility and a few week I think the first version with ui ... I think... Apr 30 11:16:42 koupsa, what about moblin ? is it beta yet ? Apr 30 11:17:22 moblin is ok Apr 30 11:18:10 hamid1171, I think mobliin is a good way to see the futur meego on notebook Apr 30 11:18:22 a least for the UI Apr 30 11:18:31 nice. thank you . what is the difference for me ( as a normal user) between moblin and the first version of meego Apr 30 11:18:39 (I doubt in my english soory :) ) Apr 30 11:19:45 nice. thank you . what is the difference for me ( as a normal user) between moblin and the first version of meego Apr 30 11:19:54 moblin is finish and work fine. meego for now is 'only' a term for developper user Apr 30 11:21:12 koupsa, thanks for you help :) Apr 30 11:22:07 :) Apr 30 11:42:48 doing some analysis on changelogs in meego... apparently you must have a date... name, email and version appear to be optional... (although there's always one of them) Apr 30 11:56:15 my favourite so far is alsa-utils.... Apr 30 11:56:41 in 2006 it has a changelog version of : "sh: line 0: fg: no job control" Apr 30 11:56:59 heh Apr 30 11:57:25 yes, rpm itself will complain without proper dates/order Apr 30 11:58:05 I've updated the changelog guidelines... http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines#General_information Apr 30 11:58:50 obviously the intention is to find a way to 'correct' this going forward :) Apr 30 14:07:15 hi. do you know if it's possible to use the n900 with a umts only sim card? Apr 30 14:14:38 no idea? Apr 30 14:14:52 #maemo is probably a better target or talk.maemo.org Apr 30 14:20:26 other question: will nokia officially distribute meego for n900, once it's considered stable? Apr 30 14:22:12 foO_, who knows. Apr 30 14:22:19 and define "MeeGo" Apr 30 14:22:21 fecking rain Apr 30 14:22:30 MeeGo is the rain. Apr 30 14:22:33 that's like biblical rain Apr 30 14:22:35 and "official", for that matter. Apr 30 14:22:40 Hi slaine Apr 30 14:22:43 Mr. Glen Apr 30 14:22:47 Hey dneary Apr 30 14:22:51 nice blog post Apr 30 14:23:04 How are things Mr. Gray Glen? Apr 30 14:23:10 was only reminiscing about those days recently. Apr 30 14:23:12 lol Apr 30 14:23:21 I shouldn't make fun, I'm sure the way I address Asian guys is equally amusing to them Apr 30 14:23:49 slaine, I was thinking about it recently - them youngsters don't know how good they've got it Apr 30 14:23:55 And the balance of power has changed Apr 30 14:23:59 indeed Apr 30 14:24:24 it's becoming quiet apparent over the last couple of years. Apr 30 14:24:31 Now, people come along to your project with an "I wish to help you. Teach me!" attitude. A sense of entitlement Apr 30 14:24:48 GAN900: http://meego.com/ So, there is no statement by Nokia.? :( Apr 30 14:24:49 YES, that's most disturbing Apr 30 14:24:52 Before, it was "Prove yourself worthy, pond scum, and we will deign to talk to you" Apr 30 14:25:22 I also noticed that with the gnome3 stuff. How many false starts where there Apr 30 14:25:51 all because the old guard where busy Apr 30 14:26:21 dneary: still is Apr 30 14:26:37 Aaanyway Apr 30 14:26:59 RST38h, Who do you think you are to talk to me? Show me the code. Apr 30 14:27:07 Jono Bacon's being doing some good stuff there I think, with his opportunistic programmer stuff and snippets programs. Apr 30 14:27:20 (that was supposed to be a joke) Apr 30 14:27:29 RST38h, No it isn't Apr 30 14:27:29 dneary: http://fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/ Apr 30 14:27:34 foO_, no. Apr 30 14:27:36 * slaine is obviously l337 if dneary deigns to start a conversation with him Apr 30 14:27:44 foO_, well, if it's meego.com, sort of. Apr 30 14:27:45 RST38h, Every free software project I know spends a huge amount of time thinking about whether they're friendly enough to newbies Apr 30 14:27:49 foO_, it's incredibly goddamn complicated. Apr 30 14:28:01 dneary: Probably more than they should. Apr 30 14:28:03 great Apr 30 14:28:10 Some of them aren't, but that doesn't mean they're not thinking about it a lot Apr 30 14:28:21 It's just that the mistakes we're making (or seeing made) now are different to the ones in 1996 Apr 30 14:28:48 dneary: Would be funny if there were still making the same mistakes after 14 years though Apr 30 14:28:50 In 1996, the mistakes were maintainers bumping dependency versions on a whim, sending people chasing dependencies across the internets Apr 30 14:28:58 dneary: at least I'm not going to blow up my lcd installing Xorg Apr 30 14:29:55 Now, it's companies who are having trouble figuring out what transparency & openness mean Apr 30 14:30:15 It's like "inconceivable" Apr 30 14:30:39 slaine, Yeah - I actually did blow a cathode tube out running a monitor at 1024x768 at 70Hz Apr 30 14:30:50 We still have binary driver problems though Apr 30 14:30:51 GeneralAntilles: complicated? It's hard to spend 500 euros for "we don't know.." Apr 30 14:31:00 Actually, it wasn't quite that - it was "Mode line ..." something or other Apr 30 14:31:03 dneary: yeah, I know a few peeps who did that Apr 30 14:31:18 foO_, the N900 works fine today and will continue to work fine for many years whether MeeGo is involved or not. Apr 30 14:31:20 You are saying it like transpareny and openness hold some intrinsic value for the comapnies Apr 30 14:31:21 slaine, In 1996 we didn't have binary driver problems Apr 30 14:31:24 I remember being pretty scared starting X for the first time Apr 30 14:31:27 There were no binary drivers Apr 30 14:31:27 foO_, don't spend the money for the future. Apr 30 14:31:34 foO_, spend the money on what you get today. Apr 30 14:31:38 Treat anything else as gravy. Apr 30 14:31:44 dneary: yes there where Apr 30 14:31:45 We had unsupported hardware problems Apr 30 14:31:49 foO_, the device has a perfectly decent OS on it at purchase time, being a dev device for meego is an entirely additional bonus thing Apr 30 14:31:49 ISA PnP Apr 30 14:31:50 Although, in fact, they are just two tactics that MAY potentially let a company make more profit, in CERTAIN situations Apr 30 14:31:57 I used to buy AcceleratedX xserver Apr 30 14:32:07 as it was the only way to get my graphics card working Apr 30 14:32:16 foO_, the complication begins wit the fact that there are at least 6 ways to define "MeeGo" and ends with the fact that everybody seems to have a different idea about what "official" means. Apr 30 14:32:23 I remember having to count into which ISA slot I'd inserted the NIC to configure the interrupt right for it (or something like that - it was a long time ago) Apr 30 14:32:33 Of course, looking back, that was retarded. It would have been cheaper to buy a different graphics card Apr 30 14:32:37 foO_, if you get to run the same applications on "MeeGo" as Maemo 5, does that satisfy you? Apr 30 14:32:49 RST38h, Selling more of something or raising the price? Apr 30 14:33:07 ffs, another startup system Apr 30 14:33:40 foO_, GeneralAntilles, it's not that complicated Apr 30 14:33:53 meego 1.0 = no binary components Apr 30 14:34:02 dneary, it is that complicated. Apr 30 14:34:25 Because there's seemingly very little centralized control over what "MeeGo" actually means. Apr 30 14:34:29 So some hardware bits will probably not work (I'd put money on the GPS not working, but sound, camera and phone functionality should be fine) Apr 30 14:34:29 dneary: Whatever makes more profit Apr 30 14:34:36 and it'll mean a dozen different things to a dozen different vendors. Apr 30 14:34:42 And meego 1.0 will work on N900 Apr 30 14:34:53 GeneralAntilles: I am not sure. I would like to spend money for a device with a growing or big developer base and a lot of software. It would satisfy me to know, that I don't have to jailbreak my phone once meego is released, but to get an official update.. Apr 30 14:34:59 dneary, with useless reference applications. Apr 30 14:35:00 RST38h, You said "they are just two tactics that MAY potentially let a company make more profit, in CERTAIN situations" Apr 30 14:35:02 dneary, it's not simple. Apr 30 14:35:17 foO_, um, you never have to jailbreak the N900. Apr 30 14:35:19 I misread "there are just two..." Apr 30 14:35:26 foO_, it's the most open modern phone available on the market today Apr 30 14:35:30 GeneralAntilles, What do you mean, useless reference applications? Apr 30 14:35:39 and likely to remain the most open phone we'll have for the next few years. Apr 30 14:35:54 dneary, I heard it said several times that the open source reference applications will be very limited feature-wise. Apr 30 14:36:02 i.e., useless. Apr 30 14:36:15 I wouldn't expect Maemo 5-level functionality. Apr 30 14:36:25 If wifi, bluetooth, camera, cellphone, sound & 3D UX work, you will have a fully functional free software phone Apr 30 14:36:32 Mmm Apr 30 14:36:44 GeneralAntilles: I know, but there is a little difference between "it's up to you" and "officially supported".. Apr 30 14:36:47 Does opening the terminal to make a phonecall count as full-functional? Apr 30 14:36:53 GeneralAntilles, So people will build better ones Apr 30 14:36:59 Ha Apr 30 14:37:01 Good luck with that. Apr 30 14:37:15 I think we've pretty clearly demonstrated that that isn't something we can rely on. Apr 30 14:37:24 See Mer, N8x0, and Maemo 5. Apr 30 14:37:31 GeneralAntilles, I guarantee you, here and now, that there will be a GUI phone & contact application in the default MeeGo platform Apr 30 14:37:51 Whether or not it's actually usable day-to-day in the problem. Apr 30 14:42:39 GAN900, why do you doubt that the combined efforts of 2 of the largest companies on earth being able to produce a viable day to day platform ? Apr 30 14:42:40 GAN900, Don't you go doing your multiple nick trick on me like that. Apr 30 14:43:46 lcuk, I think what GAN900 is getting at is that MeeGo 1.0 != Nokia N910 (or N950 or whatever) platform Apr 30 14:44:11 lcuk, because I've been here for 5 years? :) Apr 30 14:44:14 And Nokia will hold some stuff back as closed UI polish & apps for a big release splash Apr 30 14:44:15 dneary, that's a part of it. Apr 30 14:44:25 But the other part is that Nokia is too hooked on their differentiation bullshit. Apr 30 14:44:26 He's not questioning capability, he's questioning will Apr 30 14:44:26 and GeneralAntilles yeah - you used your devices day to day the whole time Apr 30 14:44:43 They aren't going to ship a completely open platform that any Chinese manufacturer can take up and run with Apr 30 14:44:52 No matter how much they make noise about being "open". Apr 30 14:45:13 Being the ARM development platform (for now) is not the same thing as having official support. Apr 30 14:45:38 And generally speaking, I've found cynicism to serve best where Nokia and Maemo are concerned. Apr 30 14:49:03 GeneralAntilles, where does the linux foundation sit in all this - linux and open source is geared towards spreading and even when you have 100 manufacturers making their variants, the extremely strong brand reputation of nokia and intel to produce solid reliable hardware means pretenders can come. we have seen in many markets once they open up that competitors come but established brands remain Apr 30 14:49:30 lcuk, Linux Foundation? Nowhere, as far as I can tell. Apr 30 14:49:42 A name to stick on the project to make it look cooler in the right circles, I guess. Apr 30 14:49:58 Otherwise, I've seen nothing out of them. Apr 30 14:50:07 then there should be a more concerted effort on their behalf to show the strength of openness Apr 30 14:50:17 goodluckwiththat Apr 30 14:50:25 we have linux on practically every piece of silicon in the world Apr 30 14:50:32 I don't think "Day-to-day usable reference applications" is high on their agenda. Apr 30 14:50:42 lcuk, The Linux Foundation owns the trademarks & is supposed to take care of infrastructure Apr 30 14:51:23 They have a guy working on legal liaison issues, trademark & licensing policies, that kind of thing ("partner relations" is, I think, his job title) Apr 30 14:51:34 so its a hosting company rather than a guiding beacon to help guide nokia and intel out of the closet so to speak Apr 30 14:51:53 GeneralAntilles, But if, unlike previously, the basic applications included on the platform are Free, don't you think that some community effort will go into making them better? Apr 30 14:52:09 dneary, many of the basic applications in Maemo 5 are free Apr 30 14:52:18 How many patches do you see going to improve Modest? Apr 30 14:52:18 lcuk, You want the Linux Foundation guiding companies out of the closet? Apr 30 14:52:23 Or the Application Manager? Apr 30 14:52:29 GeneralAntilles, actually someone needed the source at weekend Apr 30 14:52:36 I like the people at the Linux Foundation, but they are not from a community background Apr 30 14:52:40 dneary, in a way yes Apr 30 14:52:48 They're from a company relations background Apr 30 14:53:11 we hear that these large corporations are dinosaurs and have trouble pulling fnger out towards openness Apr 30 14:53:17 The foundation exists to give companies a place to pay money to cover the salaries of key hackers and to promote the commercial ecosystem around Linux Apr 30 14:53:43 GeneralAntilles, Those are not run as free software projects, in the scrictest sense of the term Apr 30 14:54:08 see, this is what I do not understand, Apr 30 14:54:10 okay Apr 30 14:54:12 GeneralAntilles, openness is something like fMMS Apr 30 14:54:15 so the reference apps will be useless to start Apr 30 14:54:16 dneary, nor is MeeGo or any of the UXes at this moment. Apr 30 14:54:19 that does not mean we can't make it better Apr 30 14:54:23 dneary, so I'll believe it when I see it. Apr 30 14:54:32 The source is licensed under the GPL, but there's no easy way to get in touch with the developers, get a patch upstream, etc Apr 30 14:54:33 so fine, meego 1.0 sucks, let's make it better. Apr 30 14:54:37 TSCHAKeee, being able to do something does not mean it'll happen. Apr 30 14:54:51 dneary, we can only suppose that'll be different for MeeGo 1.0 Apr 30 14:54:59 For now, it's a lot of talk and no substance. Apr 30 14:55:12 GeneralAntilles: i'll throw in to design and implement better UI and code.. Apr 30 14:55:15 GeneralAntilles, Agrees Apr 30 14:55:33 i do agree that things are very messed up organizational wise Apr 30 14:55:39 but, there is room to make things better. Apr 30 14:55:54 TSCHAKeee, 2 in fact Apr 30 14:56:04 so long as the community process DOES NOT INHIBIT IT Apr 30 14:56:21 this can happen all too easily.. look at GNOME Apr 30 14:58:14 I guess no one got the joke, or it just wasn't that funny :P Apr 30 14:59:05 dneary, ah, that tweet reminds me. Apr 30 14:59:13 Somehow my Facebook got reactivated, need to delete it. . . . Apr 30 15:00:58 IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE! Apr 30 15:01:49 see, what i do not understand, is why they don't just make the base reference apps really good Apr 30 15:01:54 TSCHAKeee, on maemo extras - theres an app package called HyperUI - its a non functioning, but open source dashboard and dialer application. it might give some ideas or allow us to discuss in an open manner some aspects which we may like for a mobile ux Apr 30 15:01:56 http://maemo.org/packages/view/qtmobiledemo-hyperui/ Apr 30 15:02:00 extras-devel sorry Apr 30 15:02:03 TSCHAKeee, easy, differentiation. Apr 30 15:02:04 are we still at that point in the profit curve where the PHONE app needs to differentiate? :P Apr 30 15:02:07 i wonder how hyperui works on n8x0 Apr 30 15:02:20 TSCHAKeee, it's why there's no strong centralized MeeGo platform definition. Apr 30 15:02:30 Because Nokia wants to go off and play with their own bullshit in the corner Apr 30 15:02:37 and doesn't want the Chinese to partake. Apr 30 15:02:46 i'd rather have the conversation about something we can get source at and play with Apr 30 15:03:02 than sit here moaning that we have nothing open Apr 30 15:03:19 so if we come up with a viable front end that could be plugged into the meego backend we have options Apr 30 15:03:21 lcuk, at this point, that aint much. Apr 30 15:03:36 May approaches Apr 30 15:04:57 Always "Just wait a bit" Apr 30 15:05:09 Same mantra I've been listening to since 2005 Apr 30 15:05:18 yeah Apr 30 15:05:29 they're going to look up one day Apr 30 15:05:33 and realize everybody has left. Apr 30 15:05:39 then stop waiting - the code is there, a long weekend approacheth, what can be done with it Apr 30 15:05:51 not much. Apr 30 15:05:55 i've been working with it Apr 30 15:05:59 it's a micro distribution Apr 30 15:06:00 you said ui ideas Apr 30 15:06:09 like what Apr 30 15:06:23 i've been porting my Orbiter code for a house wide UI to it Apr 30 15:06:30 i'll have some models soon Apr 30 15:06:45 cool what are you using for modeling? Apr 30 15:06:59 i'm writing ideas in clutterscript at the moment Apr 30 15:07:11 but i am also investigating the declarative stuff in Qt 4.7 Apr 30 15:07:39 funny thing, feature wise, clutter and qt are very similar when it comes to an actor based ui canvas Apr 30 15:07:42 nice, so which interactions are you looking at? Apr 30 15:08:15 GeneralAntilles, You know that does no good, right? Disactivated accounts stay visible Apr 30 15:08:17 lcuk: right now, am working on a new media browser, using an idea proposed a few months ago, look-ahead panning Apr 30 15:08:19 well, thats the same for everything from gtk through windows widgets and stuff - an object tree Apr 30 15:08:30 where the visible content tilts slightly in the direction being scrolled Apr 30 15:08:34 the look ahead panning stuff is on the n8 afaik Apr 30 15:08:37 yeah Apr 30 15:08:41 i tried similar in liqbase Apr 30 15:08:47 tho i just zoomed out slightly Apr 30 15:08:54 like original gta used to do Apr 30 15:08:58 *nod* Apr 30 15:09:02 based on speed - it got a bit meh toh Apr 30 15:09:22 my overall research focuses on what a UI for the entire house would work and look like Apr 30 15:09:41 not just the workstations, but portable media devices, TVs, clock radio like devices (like the joggler), etc. Apr 30 15:09:44 yeah i keep looking longinly at my wall and whats going to fill it there Apr 30 15:10:03 with LinuxMCE, we have the infrastructure to pull it off Apr 30 15:10:19 but the UI system Pluto designed just didn't scale. Apr 30 15:10:49 so i am taking the lessons learned from it and starting over Apr 30 15:11:05 Gan Apr 30 15:11:11 Gah! I mean Apr 30 15:11:23 seems reasonable if a little impractical Apr 30 15:11:36 I'm off. Bye! Apr 30 15:11:42 cya dneary Apr 30 15:11:52 lcuk: well, part of what i am doing, is reassembling the stack on meego Apr 30 15:11:58 lcuk: with that, will come Clutter and Qt Apr 30 15:12:04 lcuk: which i will use to design a new orbiter Apr 30 15:12:11 lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VZ7AjIyt0 <-- if you haven't seen. Apr 30 15:12:49 lcuk: I do not have an immediate profit motive, so I can afford to take the next 20 years to do this research. Apr 30 15:15:14 dneary, there's a proper delete button now. Apr 30 15:18:22 TSCHAKeee, very similar in princple to a couple of the projects i am working on Apr 30 15:19:25 :) Apr 30 15:20:04 the collaborative nature of the applicaitons is nice :) how are you configuring them at the moment, is it all manual or do they live on broadcast udp? Apr 30 15:20:23 well, there is a lot of plumbing involved Apr 30 15:20:32 yeah thats what im trying to simplify Apr 30 15:20:32 we have a massive pnp system that ties into all the existing pnp subsystems Apr 30 15:20:56 the moment we get a pnp detected event from something, we immediately try to install a device template Apr 30 15:21:25 which specifies what the device is, what it can respond to, what it emits, what packages it needs, and any other message endpoints (devices) it needs Apr 30 15:21:27 yeah im trying to just deal machine to machine, not particularly being a media player but participant Apr 30 15:21:35 http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG Apr 30 15:21:47 and the system attempts to automatically configure as much as it can Apr 30 15:21:54 i.e. i can plug in a cisco 7970 phone Apr 30 15:22:06 and it will configure the device automatically with no other input other than what room it's in Apr 30 15:22:20 make it a phone extension to the home, and configure a touch screen orbiter for it. Apr 30 15:22:31 (we have a version of orbiter that runs as a cisco xml service) Apr 30 15:22:51 yeah im thinking wifi hotspots for locality Apr 30 15:23:06 same thing with a NAS. plug in NAS to internal network, it asks about it, scrapes shares, configures it so the whole house can deal with it Apr 30 15:23:13 or a network tuner (HDHomeRun) etc. Apr 30 15:23:23 we also have presence detection Apr 30 15:23:32 well if your configuration api is open you can get help from community Apr 30 15:23:33 which we've demonstrated with both Bluetooth and RFID Apr 30 15:23:40 it's entirely open Apr 30 15:23:43 * lcuk nods Apr 30 15:23:46 the issue is the code base is HUGE Apr 30 15:23:53 we have about 3 million lines of our OWN code Apr 30 15:23:55 sounds like a lot of projects Apr 30 15:23:57 not counting what we pull in Apr 30 15:24:11 people look at it and run away screaming Apr 30 15:24:13 3 million loc o_O Apr 30 15:24:15 because it's so huge Apr 30 15:24:25 frals: granted a lot of it is boilerplate C++ Apr 30 15:24:28 but still Apr 30 15:24:30 there is a LOT of logic Apr 30 15:24:33 yeah frals they must use more comments than noobmonk3y Apr 30 15:24:38 lcuk: :D Apr 30 15:24:47 the system aims for nothing less than complete and total control of every device in your home. Apr 30 15:24:49 i thought c++ was meant to reduce boilerplate Apr 30 15:24:50 :S Apr 30 15:25:04 lcuk: we have tools that generate a lot of scaffolding code for creating new devices etc. Apr 30 15:25:07 rewrite it in perl or something Apr 30 15:25:10 NO Apr 30 15:25:14 HELL NO Apr 30 15:25:14 you guys did see Tero's post about a community OBS ? Apr 30 15:25:29 if i were to rewrite it, i would rewrite it in objective-C Apr 30 15:25:34 TSCHAKeee, that sounds like generator run amock Apr 30 15:25:56 lcuk: if you are really interested, check out the code Apr 30 15:26:00 if its generatable, you should perhaps look at dynamically using the configuration data and actually just running code using it Apr 30 15:26:09 im not if its as bad as you say Apr 30 15:26:16 *rolls-eyes* Apr 30 15:26:22 ;) Apr 30 15:26:28 perception is key :p Apr 30 15:26:50 we're pulling things off that most VENDORS haven't been able to do Apr 30 15:27:11 yeah, their developers could never come up with 3m loc :p Apr 30 15:27:16 collectively Apr 30 15:27:29 sigh Apr 30 15:27:33 :D Apr 30 15:27:36 where is it Apr 30 15:27:46 ill take a peek over the weekend cos i do like what you are doing Apr 30 15:28:16 our upcoming release will be pulled from here: http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/ Apr 30 15:28:17 can i put test/dev version on a usb stick? Apr 30 15:28:34 one sec Apr 30 15:29:12 lcuk: http://www.linuxmce.org/index.php/download Apr 30 15:30:00 cool thanks Apr 30 15:30:05 * lcuk gets back to work Apr 30 15:30:16 np Apr 30 15:30:37 OgMaciel: YES, watch it Apr 30 15:37:42 slaine: hehehe thanks Apr 30 17:16:18 LG killed the MeeGo phone Apr 30 17:16:21 Bad start Apr 30 17:21:03 lo orbarron Apr 30 17:21:19 yo Stskeeps Apr 30 17:21:27 how's it going? Apr 30 17:44:42 what? Apr 30 17:44:45 the GW990 is dead? Apr 30 17:44:51 seems so Apr 30 17:46:13 * TSCHAKeee cries Apr 30 17:46:16 fuck Apr 30 17:46:48 * CosmoHill hugs TSCHAKeee Apr 30 17:47:01 this whole damn initiative Apr 30 17:47:06 is dying before it even gets born Apr 30 17:47:09 :( Apr 30 17:47:25 very fatalistic now that things are actually waking up Apr 30 17:47:38 wth Apr 30 17:47:54 damn it, i do NOT want android to be _the_ platform Apr 30 17:48:09 creating a whole generation of chained to the floor java programmers. Apr 30 18:24:38 TSCHAKeee, ugh Apr 30 18:24:39 Android Apr 30 18:24:42 I'd die Apr 30 18:25:07 Worse, Chris DiBona tried to hit me in the head with tshirt! Apr 30 18:25:16 I don't get Android's appeal. Apr 30 18:25:43 the appeal to manufacturers? google pays them. Apr 30 18:25:51 most other platforms you have to pay for :P Apr 30 18:26:02 Well, I get THAT Apr 30 18:26:04 and puts all the nice contro in their hands Apr 30 18:26:17 I don't get why open source people for into its trap, though. Apr 30 18:26:33 erm s/gibberish/grammar/ Apr 30 18:28:11 Hopefully Nokia can get some traction with a polished device, though Apr 30 18:28:26 The N900 has the capability, but it's a diamond in the rough Apr 30 18:28:32 Capacitive will suck, though. Apr 30 18:30:09 * Stskeeps 'd buy a device with ui designed by wazd ;) Apr 30 18:31:02 GAN900: because they're still in the 2008 mindset of Android being the "open source phone OS" Apr 30 18:31:48 microlith, it's depressing, and potentially incredibly damaging in the long run. :( Apr 30 18:31:51 that and nokia only just got Maemo into the phone realm, which was a huge factor in putting people off Apr 30 18:32:08 well yes, which is why I held off of it for so long. Apr 30 20:30:36 are there any repos for meego yet? Apr 30 20:31:12 repo.meego.com Apr 30 20:31:13 I think we found a location for the MeeGo Conference in Dublin: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=102 Apr 30 20:31:32 Dublin sounds nice Apr 30 20:32:02 It should be a more popular choice than our last pick. Apr 30 20:32:24 dublin is a really nice city, loved going there Apr 30 20:33:36 dublin in november... you'll be needing the whiskey then Apr 30 20:34:30 whiskey and icecream sounds like a winner Apr 30 20:34:47 yeah that deals with breakfast, what about the other meals Apr 30 20:36:31 lcuk: can you see it if you stand on tiptoes? Apr 30 20:37:11 I thought Guinness was for breakfast - whiskey seems more like a lunch drink to me :) Apr 30 20:37:28 DawnFoster, depends on if its a pants day or not :D Apr 30 20:37:31 you've not been to a maemo event then DawnFoster? Apr 30 20:38:01 lbt: never been to maemo event Apr 30 20:38:14 Ah, you'll enjoy the icecream :) Apr 30 20:38:47 I don't actually eat ice cream :) Apr 30 20:38:59 I'm a picky vegan Apr 30 20:39:00 does meego the iso have an interface yet Apr 30 20:39:08 Never mind... we split into 2 groups... one lot go to the pub and drink... we all wander around the town looking for icecream parlours Apr 30 20:39:11 or is it just the terminal Apr 30 20:39:32 we need an ice cream tracking app Apr 30 20:39:48 lcuk, well you have a few months to write one Apr 30 20:39:49 collaboratively seek out the best and coldest - and those that offer picky vegan people something too Apr 30 20:40:31 we allow sorbet Apr 30 20:41:04