**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 01 02:59:56 2010
May 01 09:54:47 <th0br0> oh right, hello everyone
May 01 09:57:22 <Termana> hello
May 01 14:03:28 <Macer> well
May 01 14:04:23 <slaine> evening all
May 01 14:06:44 <Termana> hey slaine
May 01 14:10:58 <CosmoHill> hey slaine
May 01 14:11:04 <slaine> Hey Guys
May 01 14:11:14 <slaine> Working over the long weekend sucks :(
May 01 14:12:33 <lcukn900> slaine, with enough supplies it can be worthwhile - best with friends tho
May 01 14:13:06 <slaine> well, working from home
May 01 14:13:33 <slaine> hard part is ignoring the kids. Would rather be playing lego or starwars with them :(
May 01 14:14:14 <lcukn900> slaine yeah i code at night after noise calmed down
May 01 14:14:15 <Macer> lcukn900: get meego working on my n810 :-P
May 01 14:14:24 <Macer> with a liq based ui with 3d accel
May 01 14:14:28 * Macer hides
May 01 14:14:31 <lcukn900> even better when im somewhere else for codin
May 01 14:14:48 <slaine> recently got a fold away table from Ikea
May 01 14:14:52 <slaine> for my room
May 01 14:14:55 <lcukn900> lol macer
May 01 14:15:01 <slaine> might put that up later
May 01 14:15:03 <Macer> ikea is great
May 01 14:15:18 <Macer> i thought it was funny they wanted to charge $200 shipping for a $40 table tho
May 01 14:15:28 <lcukn900> slaine shame they dont sell flatpack kiddy priso errrr playrooms ;)
May 01 14:15:31 <Macer> like you had to feed the horses that were bringing it or something
May 01 14:15:43 <slaine> took a long for them to open here in Ireland
May 01 14:16:06 <slaine> we had laws governing the sizes of retail outlets dating back to the 60's and the rise of the super markets
May 01 14:16:13 <Macer> the ikea here is as big as our airports combined
May 01 14:16:14 <Macer> haha
May 01 14:16:43 <slaine> I'm sure it was a good idea at the time. But times have changed
May 01 14:16:54 <slaine> took a while for all that to get pushed through
May 01 14:16:59 <Macer> tell that to all the stores that close because of ikea
May 01 14:17:00 <Macer> :)
May 01 14:17:24 <Macer> and their cheap chinese furniture
May 01 14:17:25 <Macer> heh
May 01 14:17:29 <Macer> i love it tho :)
May 01 14:17:30 <slaine> They actually built in a deprived area of north and it's done wonders for the local economy.
May 01 14:17:44 <slaine> though I'm sure all the other furniture retail outlets are hurting alright
May 01 14:17:48 <Macer> slaine: haven't you ever seen the southpark where walmart moves in?
May 01 14:17:54 <slaine> lol, yes
May 01 14:17:58 <Macer> :)
May 01 14:19:01 <slaine> anyways, I've to find a secure part of the wall to hang that table  off (it's basically a flat piece of wood on a hinge ). Couldn't be arsed at the moment
May 01 14:19:03 <lcukn900> the logistics of an ikea store are incredible it effects traffic patterns on roads for miles around
May 01 14:19:11 <slaine> lol, true
May 01 14:19:27 <Macer> lcukn900: haha
May 01 14:19:33 <lcukn900> im serious
May 01 14:19:39 <Macer> i live in chicago
May 01 14:19:53 <Macer> a cat crossing the highway has an affect on traffic for miles around ;)
May 01 14:19:56 <lcukn900> it took them years to sort out location for a manchester store from what i recall
May 01 14:20:08 <slaine> ikea actually had to pay for and build a feeder road off the motorway so as not to worsen an already congested junction. That was just to secure planning permission
May 01 14:20:12 <Macer> the ikea is actually out in a suburb tho
May 01 14:20:16 <lcukn900> a cat is squashed in seconds
May 01 14:20:29 <Macer> lcukn900: yeah but the brakes that ensue afterwards...
May 01 14:20:38 <lcukn900> bit harder to move a massive blue and yellow tardis
May 01 14:20:42 <Macer> a cat crossing the highway here in chicago would cost people 2 hours :)
May 01 14:20:59 <slaine> ETOOMANYPEOPLE
May 01 14:21:05 <Macer> then you get the occasional suicide
May 01 14:21:19 <Macer> where someoen decides the best way to kill themselves is to jump off a bridge right into the middle of the highway
May 01 14:21:58 <Macer> i mean if you're having a bad day and going to kill yourself.. jump off of like a building or like.. eat some pills.. jumping onto a highway is not the answer
May 01 14:22:28 <Macer> what makes it so bad is like.. the first 4000 cars will just go around the body :)
May 01 14:22:35 <Macer> or run it over and keep going
May 01 14:22:45 <Macer> anyways. i'm goign to look at screenshots of meego
May 01 14:22:54 <Macer> and see if it doesn't suck.. i don't see why someone woul dput it on an n900 tho
May 01 14:23:05 <Macer> unless it was way more awesome than maemo5 which would be pretty hard to do :)
May 01 14:24:14 <lcukn900> there are new screenies?
May 01 14:24:52 <slaine> Macer: got a url for those screenies ?
May 01 14:25:06 <Termana> Macer, you mean the terminal screenshots?
May 01 14:25:08 <Termana> :P
May 01 14:25:26 <Macer> i don't know
May 01 14:25:30 <Macer> that's what i'm looking for
May 01 14:25:31 <Macer> haha
May 01 14:25:33 <Macer> screen shots
May 01 14:25:41 <lbt> Meego is ~ console only right now
May 01 14:25:49 <Macer> whoa
May 01 14:25:52 <Termana> Which is better anyway
May 01 14:25:55 <Macer> so it's like.. seriously from scratch huh? :)
May 01 14:25:58 <Termana> :P I keed
May 01 14:26:05 * lbt wants a CLI for the phone
May 01 14:26:30 <Macer> lbt: term doesn't work in maemo5 for you? :)
May 01 14:26:53 <lbt> no, not the device...
May 01 14:26:56 <lbt> the phone :)
May 01 14:27:25 <Macer> http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/04/is-it-out-yet-open-source-and-mass.html
May 01 14:27:33 <Macer> that's pretty funny
May 01 14:27:36 <lbt> grep -i home /home/addressbook | cut -f2 -d, | call
May 01 14:27:50 <Macer> lbt: haha
May 01 14:27:54 <Macer> that's too much man ;)
May 01 14:28:08 <Macer> use ncurses and make a console based phone
May 01 14:28:09 <Macer> haha
May 01 14:28:27 <Macer> but you lose 10,000 cool points if you use python to do it :-P
May 01 14:31:07 <Macer> so meego is rome from the movie gladiator now?
May 01 14:31:08 <Macer> :)
May 01 14:31:24 <Macer> meego is an idea.. that you must whisper haha
May 01 14:31:44 <lbt> it runs on the Joggler
May 01 14:31:52 <lbt> it does actually run X
May 01 14:32:05 <lbt> so you can then run things like qtdemos
May 01 14:32:26 <lcuk> is there a doc on the meego wiki about configuring the network
May 01 14:32:36 <Macer> i've been waiting for something new and useful to run on my n810 for a long time
May 01 14:32:37 <lbt> no
May 01 14:32:43 <Macer> i think it's time to give up on the n810 :)
May 01 14:32:53 <Macer> put it on ebay or something and see if someone bites
May 01 14:32:57 <lcuk> because whilst i can get a usbimg on i cant get networking running - hence cant get any of the stuff from repositories
May 01 14:33:10 <Macer> especailly since my n900 is beyond awesome
May 01 14:33:15 <lcuk> Macer, speak to w00t_ he was asking about n810s very recently
May 01 14:33:22 <Termana> Just a funny aside, I've always pronounced Qt as two letters, Q T - but after seeing Ari's keynote and a couple of other videos, it seems to be pronounced "cute".
May 01 14:33:24 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/A_System_Administrator_Guide
May 01 14:33:31 <Macer> lcuk: i had to send something to w00t_ before
May 01 14:33:34 <Macer> i sent him a touchbook
May 01 14:33:53 <vgrade> http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo
May 01 14:33:54 <Macer> i wonder how that turned out for him because i thought the tb was a disgusting piece of crap :) but that's me.. he's a dev.. he may have had more fun with it
May 01 14:33:54 <lcuk> :) nice
May 01 14:34:10 * CosmoHill might need to redo 300 lines of code :o
May 01 14:34:15 <lcuk> w00t_, hows your touchbook
May 01 14:34:20 <Macer> heh
May 01 14:34:22 <lcuk> CosmoHill, 300 is piffle!
May 01 14:34:38 <CosmoHill> so you wanna take a look at something for me? :p
May 01 14:34:56 <Macer> i guess maybe because mine was a preordered one but you can tell that it was obviously not even near complete... neither software nor hardware
May 01 14:34:56 <lcuk> think about TSCHAKeee - he has 3million loc
May 01 14:34:59 <Macer> :)
May 01 14:35:04 <CosmoHill> ....
May 01 14:36:02 <Termana> lcuk, yeah, and I don't think he'll be rewriting it any time soon
May 01 14:36:13 <lcuk> thanks lbt that at least gives start of a hint ill try to dig into connman scripts and see if i can get it configured
May 01 14:36:30 <lcuk> Termana, he said much of it was generated
May 01 14:36:55 <lcuk> which i think is a waste - if theres a generator that uses config files to make code, it should use config files to run pre made functions ;)
May 01 14:38:46 <lcuk> lbt i gather even without package for meego i can use build-=essential stuff and make and make install etc in standard way?
May 01 14:39:14 <lbt> yes
May 01 14:39:27 <lcuk> cool beans :)
May 01 14:39:49 <lbt> nb "standard" = "deprecated"
May 01 14:40:12 <lbt> make install is evil
May 01 14:40:58 <lcuk> isnt it still the core thats used for building packages?
May 01 14:42:33 <Termana> Good night everyone
May 01 14:42:46 * lcuk >> party
May 01 14:43:01 <CosmoHill> error, party not declared
May 01 14:43:20 <lcuk> for for you, i got invite a few weeks ago :p
May 01 14:43:33 <lcuk> i even ack'ed it properly
May 01 17:12:55 <Cosmo|Busy> I wonder, what happens if you put alcohol in a humidifier....
May 01 17:29:00 <RST38h> Any Qt experts here?
May 01 18:12:52 <Cosmo|Busy> http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/b4MXu9w0
May 01 18:12:54 <Cosmo|Busy> damn pointers!
May 01 19:17:52 * Cosmo|Busy dances with people
May 01 21:39:48 <mogwai> hello
May 01 21:41:51 <Cosmo|Busy> if I say hello, will there be a follow up question?
May 01 21:50:15 <markatto> hehe
May 01 21:53:11 <dAnIeLLL> haha
May 01 21:56:16 <mogwai> nop just hello ^^
May 01 21:57:31 <Cosmo|Busy> hello mogwai :)
May 01 21:57:38 <mogwai> ;p
May 01 22:51:35 <Cosmo|Busy> http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=471793#post471793
May 01 22:51:40 <Cosmo|Busy> something you guys might be interested in
May 01 23:30:17 <markatto> Cosmo|Busy: why would he run windows on that?
May 01 23:30:27 <Cosmo|Busy> no idea
May 01 23:31:25 <markatto> I"m not a hardcore windows hater, but that just seems foolish
May 01 23:33:41 <Cosmo|Busy> markatto: I'll ask him
May 01 23:37:06 <markatto> I would probably have used Debian. Or freeNAS if the raid cards have freebsd drivers.
May 01 23:45:27 <CosmoHill> markatto: Thank you so very very much. Your timing is perfect as my assignment is due in friday and I think you may have saved me from doom. I've adapted this to work with my linked list and now need to implement it in all of my classes to make my program more object orientated.
May 01 23:45:58 <markatto> lolwut? must have tab-completed the wrong person
May 01 23:46:06 <CosmoHill> shit
May 01 23:46:10 <CosmoHill> damn it
May 01 23:46:17 <markatto> although I would be glad to take credit for any good deeds someone else may have done :)
May 01 23:46:20 <CosmoHill> i swear I pressed copy
May 01 23:46:33 <CosmoHill> http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=471804&postcount=8
May 01 23:46:46 <CosmoHill> this is what happens when you press enter without checking what you've pasted
May 01 23:47:57 <markatto> unix-based operating systems are obviously not suited to be fileservers
May 01 23:48:09 <CosmoHill> hehehe
May 01 23:48:19 <markatto> how could I have overlooked something so obvious? He is obviously a technological genious.
May 01 23:49:04 * CosmoHill throws a blanket over his windows server
May 01 23:49:52 <CosmoHill> I did that to my sun once and forgot it was running
May 01 23:50:18 <markatto> $50 says that guy uses cpanel to administrate the linux servers that he claims he runs
May 01 23:50:53 <CosmoHill> he seems to have hit a nerve
May 01 23:51:13 <markatto> I have to work with windows servers for my job
May 01 23:51:29 <CosmoHill> windows by day, linux by night?
May 01 23:51:34 <markatto> more or less
May 01 23:51:57 <CosmoHill> know anything about virtual machines?
May 01 23:52:23 <markatto> I use virtualbox a lot, I don't have much experience with enterprise-level stuff though
May 01 23:52:37 <markatto> i've played with KVM a bit and have never touched XEN
May 01 23:52:45 <markatto> xen should not be capitalized
May 01 23:53:01 <CosmoHill> RHEL 6 drops xen
May 01 23:53:15 <markatto> well, KVM looks to be the way forwards
May 01 23:53:24 <markatto> but most big systems currently run xen
May 01 23:53:33 <CosmoHill> do you know much about windows server and linux intergration?
May 01 23:53:49 <markatto> I can make samba work...
May 01 23:54:04 <CosmoHill> cool
May 01 23:54:19 <markatto> other than that, the best solution i've found is to not try
May 01 23:54:25 * CosmoHill is thinking about his dissertation question
May 01 23:55:35 <tmzt_> CosmoHill: why can't you build Qt on n900?
May 01 23:55:52 <CosmoHill> you seem to have mistaken me for someone with answers
May 01 23:56:07 <CosmoHill> I'm sure you can build it on a n900
May 01 23:56:20 <CosmoHill> but it would be a lot faster to cross-compile from a computer
May 01 23:56:23 <markatto> nokia already has done that with maemo
May 01 23:57:28 <tmzt_> ah, ok
May 01 23:59:16 <CosmoHill> markatto: any tips for learning windows server?
May 01 23:59:56 <markatto> shoot self in head, rinse, repeat
May 02 00:00:57 <markatto> it's mostly menus and buttons and stuff
May 02 00:01:13 <markatto> not terribly hard to do simple things
May 02 00:01:23 <markatto> and if you're doing anything that isn't simple, you're in for a world of pain
May 02 00:01:30 <CosmoHill> i think i can get a cert in it
May 02 00:01:41 <markatto> I hear they are pretty easy
May 02 00:01:53 <CosmoHill> I did a cisco cert
May 02 00:01:59 <CosmoHill> bottom cisco one
May 02 00:02:02 <markatto> they are supposed to be easier than cisco
May 02 00:02:35 <CosmoHill> the hardest thing about it was getting to the end of the chapter awake
May 02 00:02:45 <markatto> the linux LPI certs are quite hard for the high level ones
May 02 00:03:02 <markatto> they are the only ones I really respect
May 02 00:04:12 <tmzt_> what do they really cover?
May 02 00:04:24 <tmzt_> I remeber an IBM quiz asking about cut and paste (the unix commands)
May 02 00:04:31 <tmzt_> and that seemed to be the focus of it
May 02 00:04:40 <CosmoHill> markatto: my exam revision was "this is a laptop, this is a computer, they are different"
May 02 00:04:55 <CosmoHill> the start of each chapter was 4 pages about safty
May 02 00:05:03 <markatto> let me put it this way
May 02 00:05:05 <markatto> http://gizmodo.com/5465691/going-on-10-boy-going-for-fifth-microsoft-certification
May 02 00:05:13 <CosmoHill> if you're going to clean a computer you turn the damn thing off first
May 02 00:05:34 <CosmoHill> that's a boy?
May 02 00:06:15 <markatto> haha
May 02 00:06:38 <markatto> http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_3/exam_302_tasks_and_sample_questions
May 02 00:06:47 <markatto> http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_3/exam_301_tasks_and_sample_questions
May 02 00:08:37 <markatto> btw, I clean computers that are running all the time
May 02 00:08:59 <CosmoHill> A: 1, 2 & 3
May 02 00:09:27 <CosmoHill> B: 2 & 3
May 02 00:09:43 <CosmoHill> wait
May 02 00:10:02 <CosmoHill> A is 1, 2 & 4
May 02 00:10:55 <CosmoHill> C: 1
May 02 00:11:18 <CosmoHill> D: 4
May 02 00:11:40 <CosmoHill> E: 2
May 02 00:11:51 <CosmoHill> F: 1, 3 & 5
May 02 00:11:58 <CosmoHill> for the 301 thingy
May 02 00:12:34 * CosmoHill guessed most of them
May 02 00:13:09 <markatto> heh
May 02 00:13:30 <markatto> I could probably get through the 101 and 102 tests without studying
May 02 00:14:34 <CosmoHill> I picked what I thought was right
May 02 00:14:38 <CosmoHill> no idea what any of it means
May 02 00:16:27 <markatto> well, as you can see those tests are non-trivial
May 02 00:22:52 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 02 01:21:39 <Termana> good morning
May 02 01:21:55 <CosmoHill> morning
May 02 01:27:57 <Jartza> not exactly morning yet, but hello anyway
May 02 01:28:09 <Jartza> it's 4:27am here :)
May 02 01:30:48 <b-man> 9:30pm here
May 02 01:30:58 <CosmoHill> 2:30am here
May 02 01:31:08 <lcuk> Jartza, http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
May 02 01:31:14 <lcuk> morning again Termana
May 02 01:32:37 <Termana> :P hello again lcuk - not everyone is in the same rooms, so I say good morning in 4 rooms when I awake :P
May 02 01:32:38 <Jartza> lcuk: fine
May 02 01:33:01 <lcuk> Termana, i would spend all day doing that lol
May 02 01:34:17 <Jartza> anyway, I'm off to pick up my GF from work
May 02 01:34:24 <Jartza> so... good night :)
May 02 01:34:40 <Termana> cya Jartza
May 02 01:35:27 <CosmoHill> cyas
May 02 01:36:34 <Termana> lcuk, hehe :P - I idle in 14 rooms, but the other 10 are rooms that I don't actually know people in. At least not as much as the people in the 4 rooms i say good morning in. So no one would care if I said good morning in those 10 other rooms
May 02 01:39:02 <lcuk> lol Termana my channel/server tree is rendered down side in 6pt font
May 02 01:39:05 <lcuk> otherwise it scrolls
May 02 01:39:39 <Termana> LOL ok ok, you beat me :P
May 02 01:40:03 <Termana> Do you actually read anything in most of those channels though? :P
May 02 01:40:39 <lcuk> yeah - a load of them are work stuff, the rest are chatting
May 02 01:40:45 <lcuk> its like a christmas tree sometimes
May 02 01:41:22 * lcuk enjoys times when travelling
May 02 01:41:31 <lcuk> i dont have irc bugging me the whole time
May 02 01:41:38 <Termana> hehe :P
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