**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 06 02:59:56 2010
May 06 04:02:07 <Stskeeps> morning
May 06 04:15:06 <Termana> Stskeeps, good morning
May 06 04:29:20 * Stskeeps ponders to jump back to bed
May 06 04:42:47 <TSCHAKeee> Stskeeps: so have you ported MeeGo to Mer, yet?
May 06 04:42:51 * TSCHAKeee runs!!!
May 06 04:42:53 <TSCHAKeee> :)
May 06 04:43:10 * TSCHAKeee laughs maniacally
May 06 04:44:05 <TheAngel> hi, i was wondering if there is any tutorial on howto install meego on the n900?
May 06 04:44:20 <TSCHAKeee> TheAngel: instructions on the meego wiki
May 06 04:44:27 <TSCHAKeee> TheAngel: but since you're asking that question
May 06 04:44:32 <TSCHAKeee> TheAngel: the current build is not for you
May 06 04:44:39 <TheAngel> :(
May 06 04:44:46 <TSCHAKeee> TheAngel: there is no UI
May 06 04:45:01 <TheAngel> :o
May 06 04:45:01 <TSCHAKeee> it is a build that was done to check the cohesion of the low level parts of the stack
May 06 04:45:06 <TSCHAKeee> of course
May 06 04:45:09 <TSCHAKeee> you would know this
May 06 04:45:11 <TSCHAKeee> if you read
May 06 04:45:14 <TSCHAKeee> google
May 06 04:45:18 <TSCHAKeee> the forums
May 06 04:45:20 <TSCHAKeee> blogs
May 06 04:45:22 <TSCHAKeee> any of those
May 06 04:45:25 <TSCHAKeee> for more than 5 minutes
May 06 04:45:28 <TSCHAKeee> :)
May 06 04:46:10 <Termana> TSCHAKeee, ported MeeGo to Mer? what are you talking about? :P
May 06 04:46:19 <TSCHAKeee> Termana: joke
May 06 04:46:22 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
May 06 04:46:27 <Termana> Also, normal people put sentences on a single line :nod: hehe :P
May 06 04:46:36 <TSCHAKeee> Termana: I went
May 06 04:46:39 <TSCHAKeee> to the
May 06 04:46:41 <TSCHAKeee> Miguel de Icaza
May 06 04:46:43 <TSCHAKeee> school of IRC
May 06 04:46:45 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
May 06 04:46:49 <Termana> :D
May 06 04:47:27 <TSCHAKeee> or william shatner... take your pick
May 06 04:47:29 <TSCHAKeee> :)
May 06 04:48:29 <Termana> :P
May 06 04:48:43 <Termana> Stskeeps, ping (when you get out of bed)
May 06 04:51:10 <Termana> TSCHAKeee, I think you scared TheAngel off :P
May 06 04:51:38 <TSCHAKeee> sorry.
May 06 04:51:56 <TSCHAKeee> just amazes me nobody even does a cursory glance for ....... anything
May 06 04:52:06 <slonopotamus> -.-
May 06 04:52:16 <TSCHAKeee> instructions...comments.....blog posts saying "DUDE! DON'T TOUCH IT YET!"....
May 06 04:52:36 <Termana> TSCHAKeee, Of course, did you expect any better from the masses? :P
May 06 04:53:17 <TSCHAKeee> i hope....you know....like when Charlton Heston screamed, "SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!"
May 06 04:53:20 <TSCHAKeee> :P
May 06 05:56:06 <jrayhawk> Ah, suffering from Carriage Return Affective Problem, I see.
May 06 05:58:06 <Termana> jrayhawk, flat tyre?
May 06 05:58:31 <Termana> Your a bit late :P
May 06 05:59:59 <jrayhawk> To a true IRCer, time has no meaning. A year is as a day.
May 06 06:00:19 <pupnik> \ut i wanna beat people up RIGHT NOW!
May 06 06:00:51 <jrayhawk> laffo
May 06 06:10:21 <Stskeeps> Termana: pong
May 06 06:12:23 <Termana> Stskeeps, I thought I'd move our discussion here since it relates to MeeGo and others may be able to contribute (or learn something).
May 06 06:13:03 <Stskeeps> which one of them? :P
May 06 06:13:24 <Termana> Stskeeps, heh :P About getting MeeGo on the Nexus One
May 06 06:14:04 <Stskeeps> ah, about how feasible it would be
May 06 06:14:14 <Termana> right
May 06 06:15:02 <Termana> Stskeeps, You said to me that if I installed a different UI, apps that didn't depend on Open GL ES would work fine. So if I chrooted in from Debian they should work fine as well right? (Since they would be using Debian's UI and X server)
May 06 06:15:43 <Stskeeps> well, that's the hope at least - ideally you'd be booting straight into it
May 06 06:15:51 <Stskeeps> see inspiration at the n900 chroot pages
May 06 06:18:53 <Termana> Stskeeps, right, I would be setting up the chroot as a first step so that people can have something at least and then continue on to getting it booting natively.
May 06 06:19:24 <Termana> (and to confirm that everything is definitely working as expected)
May 06 06:27:10 <Stskeeps> chroot's a start yeah
May 06 06:32:20 <Termana> Stskeeps, I guess the discussion should of been moved here earlier, since we covered mostly everything over pm. The part of apps that don't depend on GLES working in chroot was really it. At least until things get going :P
May 06 06:32:59 <Termana> Thats when everything starts to crumble :P
May 06 06:33:13 <Stskeeps> dunno how bad it looks on that side :P
May 06 06:36:56 <pupnik> same device should be able to run android and meego apps in one meego/linux OS
May 06 06:37:38 <Termana> pupnik, right, I'll also be investigating chrooting into MeeGo from Android on the N1 - since I'm sure some people will want that too
May 06 06:38:06 <Stskeeps> pupnik: if the ubuntu guys had released their code instead of playing hide the sausage, yeah
May 06 06:39:03 <Stskeeps> http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/
May 06 06:41:45 <Termana> In terms of the Nexus One, it will probably be better to have MeeGo under a chroot with Android. Then I don't have to work on getting the modem to play nice with ofono :P Should be about the same thing people are doing with Debian - start an x server in MeeGo chroot and a vnc server and vnc in from Android
May 06 06:42:12 <Stskeeps> chroot's just really lasting, a simple port should be easy
May 06 06:42:13 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 06:43:06 <Termana> Stskeeps, yes, yes, don't worry Mr Porter - I'll be seeing if I can get it to straight boot as well. All in the fun of tinkering :P
May 06 07:01:05 <pupnik> Termana: i tink this is a more important goal than just 'tinkering'
May 06 07:12:51 <Termana> pupnik, more important goal? whats that, saving the poor android users? :P
May 06 07:20:18 <pupnik> Termana: right
May 06 07:22:40 <Termana> pupnik, heh in all serious, one goal more important than tinkering is to spread MeeGo to as many existing and yet to be made devices as possible. If the right people get to see that MeeGo can go further than just the devices Nokia and Intel put out, hopefully more will adopt.
May 06 07:23:22 <Termana> We're already seeing heaps of companies planning to adopt MeeGo
May 06 07:23:37 <Termana> and I'm sure (hopefully) there will be many more
May 06 07:25:39 <pupnik> can we hold a donations lottery to find who chose the name and dunk them?
May 06 07:26:58 <Termana> pupnik, I don't know what people find so wrong with the name MeeGo :P
May 06 07:27:19 <Termana> Seems perfectly fine to me. Certainly not bad at least
May 06 07:28:39 <pupnik> it sounds like a retarded person describing what they are about to do
May 06 07:28:59 <Stskeeps> well, with maemo it was a random password generator or something, so noone to blame
May 06 07:30:25 <pupnik> Jar Jar Binks: Monsters out there, leaking in here. Weesa all sinking and no power. Whena yousa thinking we are in trouble?
May 06 07:30:45 <pupnik> Jar Jar Binks: I don't know. Mesa day startin pretty okee-day with a brisky morning munchy, then BOOM! Gettin very scared and grabbin that Jedi and POW! Mesa here! Mesa gettin' very very scared!
May 06 07:47:21 <Termana> Stskeeps, the same sort of thing would work with Maemo 5 wouldn't it (chroot in, only launch apps that are not GLESv2 dependent (unless ALL apps are for some reason, in which case we'll have to slaughter someone))? Not that I think there is too many Maemo only apps, most have probably been ported from Debian et al.
May 06 07:50:36 <Termana> gah, connection went a bit bung there, don't think it went through
May 06 07:50:38 <Termana> Stskeeps, the same sort of thing would work with Maemo 5 wouldn't it (chroot in, only launch apps that are not GLESv2 dependent (unless ALL apps are for some reason, in which case we'll have to slaughter someone))? Not that I think there is too many Maemo only apps, most have probably been ported from Debian et al.
May 06 07:50:46 <Stskeeps> you're writing very long sentences
May 06 07:50:47 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 07:51:16 <Stskeeps> it might work just like easy debian does
May 06 07:57:11 <Termana> Stskeeps, would you
May 06 07:57:13 <Termana> rather that
May 06 07:57:15 <Termana> I type
May 06 07:57:17 <Termana> my sentences
May 06 07:57:20 <Termana> like this?
May 06 07:57:22 <Termana> :P
May 06 07:57:51 <Stskeeps> no, but half-way
May 06 07:57:51 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 08:13:28 <Stskeeps> morning dneary
May 06 08:15:28 <dneary> hi Stskeeps
May 06 08:16:05 <Stskeeps> how's it going?
May 06 08:16:13 <Stskeeps> (good thread on tmo and mailing list btw)
May 06 09:45:28 <slaine> th0br0: you about ?
May 06 09:46:27 <Stskeeps> morn slaine
May 06 09:47:11 <slaine> morn Stskeeps, how you doing ?
May 06 09:47:27 <Stskeeps> decent, enjoying not having a commute when the weather is crap outside :P
May 06 09:48:04 <slaine> pretty grim here too
May 06 09:48:32 <thiago> cloudy today, but better than Tuesday
May 06 09:51:28 <slaine> raincoat in yesterday and today, including warm hoody. Was sunny when I left late yesterday evening though
May 06 09:52:56 <thiago> it snowed on Tuesday
May 06 09:52:58 <thiago> heavily
May 06 10:02:42 <slaine> thiago: we had hail and rain. Not as bad as you, but unusual for us at this time of year. May is usually our summer month :)
May 06 10:04:15 <thiago> summer will be over soon
May 06 10:04:54 <Bostik> summer may not arrive this year either :/
May 06 11:21:38 <smoku> hi. is there any build-your-own-meego-rootfs-image-howto document available?
May 06 11:21:46 <Stskeeps> well, yes
May 06 11:21:52 <Stskeeps> wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation i think
May 06 11:24:06 * CosmoHill offers slaine some coffee / tea
May 06 11:24:34 * slaine eagerly accepts, but wonders where the catch is
May 06 11:25:38 <smoku> Stskeeps, thanks.  (the wiki search is unusable :(
May 06 11:25:47 <CosmoHill> nothing, I just made myself a cup of tea
May 06 11:26:43 <CosmoHill> at the moment I'm just reading through my code to make sure everything makes sense
May 06 11:27:01 <slaine> I'm prepping a fresh buiild
May 06 11:27:05 <CosmoHill> ei you can look at a function or variable and know what it does
May 06 11:27:18 <CosmoHill> I.E.*
May 06 11:28:26 <CosmoHill> slaine: I think my program is finished :)
May 06 11:28:30 <CosmoHill> now I just have todo the report
May 06 11:29:50 <slaine> CosmoHill: congrats
May 06 11:31:39 <CosmoHill> cat *.hpp *.cpp >> output
May 06 11:31:46 <CosmoHill> a good way to find out how many lines of code
May 06 11:32:28 <slaine> cat *.[hc]pp | wc -l
May 06 11:33:24 <CosmoHill> 2373
May 06 11:33:35 <CosmoHill>  - 407
May 06 11:34:00 <CosmoHill> so about 1964
May 06 11:34:23 <CosmoHill> (test.cpp is 407 lines of code but isn't used any more
May 06 11:34:51 <pupnik> can i get a comment from the channel.  why do you guys care about meego
May 06 11:35:02 <pupnik> why should ANYONE care about meego
May 06 11:35:16 <pupnik> non-paid shills
May 06 11:35:29 <CosmoHill> I'm personally here to learn
May 06 11:35:37 <CosmoHill> I can build a linux system from source files
May 06 11:35:45 <RST38h> pupnik <-- negative, real negative =)
May 06 11:35:45 <pupnik> we have debian
May 06 11:35:52 <CosmoHill> but I lack experience in a GUI or a decent package manager
May 06 11:35:53 <Stskeeps> debian is shit on mobile platforms
May 06 11:35:55 <Stskeeps> end of story
May 06 11:35:55 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 11:36:00 <Stskeeps> pupnik: it's a hell lot less evil than android, too
May 06 11:36:07 <slaine> +1
May 06 11:36:13 * RST38h has FreeBSD. FreeBSD will rule the world, thanks to its secret prophet Steve Jobs
May 06 11:36:16 <CosmoHill> i think debian is aimed more towards servers
May 06 11:36:18 * RST38h hides now
May 06 11:36:31 <CosmoHill> RST38h: i tried that once and got lose in the command line :(
May 06 11:36:33 <pupnik> no, RST38h and Stskeeps should be promoted to GOD level here
May 06 11:36:47 <RST38h> pupnik: There can be only one
May 06 11:36:51 <pupnik> lol
May 06 11:36:55 <pupnik> not lol
May 06 11:36:55 <Stskeeps> pupnik: well, /chanserv info #meego ;p
May 06 11:37:02 <CosmoHill> RST38h: highlander!
May 06 11:37:05 * RST38h pulls out a rusty sword and looks at Stskeeps with an evil intent
May 06 11:37:17 <Termana> Let it be known, I will smite you even without God status
May 06 11:37:27 * Termana grabs the smite stick
May 06 11:37:36 <RST38h> oh smitey...
May 06 11:37:38 * Termana grabs the ugly stick as well
May 06 11:37:39 <pupnik> let it be known, i will be annoying unless RST38h and Stskeeps get god-status
May 06 11:37:45 <Stskeeps> 'will be'?
May 06 11:37:52 <pupnik> :D
May 06 11:37:57 <RST38h> Godship is overrated
May 06 11:38:11 <CosmoHill> isn't that like saying "ban me now you whores?"
May 06 11:38:14 <RST38h> It is the clergy that gets all the good stuff
May 06 11:38:22 <Termana> NO COMMENT
May 06 11:38:26 <CosmoHill> (or any other insult)
May 06 11:38:27 <Termana> :D
May 06 11:38:43 <pupnik> i do hit people
May 06 11:38:59 <Termana> Besides, what you really want is Jesusship - then you can die and be reborn.
May 06 11:39:31 <Termana> "You arse, the sword hurt when it hit me in the heart"
May 06 11:39:37 <pupnik> no, we have to seperate stupid from ... halfwayssmart
May 06 11:39:53 <pupnik> Termana: who would you nominate for 'meego leader'
May 06 11:39:56 <RST38h> Meanwhile in Baton Rouge: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/04/house_committee_gives_its_bles.html
May 06 11:40:12 <CosmoHill> do we need a single leader?
May 06 11:40:15 <RST38h> pupnik: Paul Otellini
May 06 11:40:26 <pupnik> we need to acknowledge people we respect
May 06 11:40:34 <pupnik> openly
May 06 11:40:44 <RST38h> Come on, pupnik, there is no real usable Meego distro yet
May 06 11:41:05 <RST38h> (the netbook version does nto count)
May 06 11:41:11 <Termana> pupnik, If you don't mind, even if I did have someone to nominate as "meego leader", I wouldn't say. But I think there are too many great contributors to be pointing out a single leader
May 06 11:41:17 <pupnik> yes, but how do we achieve some kind of refactoring respect system
May 06 11:41:19 <CosmoHill> "we would like to thank XXX for this fine looking command prompt"
May 06 11:41:21 <RST38h> So, it is kinda early to expect any action here
May 06 11:42:04 <RST38h> pupnik: bloggers should get unlimited respect points, linearly increasing with each post containing word "meego"
May 06 11:42:35 <Termana> pupnik, if you want to debate karma - go debate it with Jaffa in #maemo :P *giggles and runs off*
May 06 11:42:36 <pupnik> thank you for making me almost puke
May 06 11:42:54 * CosmoHill is confused so he wonders off todo his work
May 06 11:42:58 <Termana> I'm a prick :P
May 06 11:43:07 <pupnik> Termana: why don't i know you?
May 06 11:43:56 <Termana> Isn't that a silly question to ask? :P I don't know why you don't know something
May 06 11:43:59 * RST38h yawns and goes to the hospital
May 06 11:45:47 <pupnik> look, meego is the gutter where people who give a SHIT about the future of FOSS on mobiles congregate
May 06 11:46:08 <pupnik> that is either a bumclub or an elite congregation
May 06 11:46:13 <pupnik> make it what you want
May 06 11:46:23 <CosmoHill> meego is about 3 months old
May 06 11:46:25 <pupnik> i'm off
May 06 11:46:51 <CosmoHill> it's just a little baby, you need to give it time to grow up
May 06 11:48:15 <Stskeeps> why can't it be both a bumclub and an elite congregation?
May 06 11:48:15 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 11:48:18 <CosmoHill> anyone else thing that stupid people shouldn't be allowed passion?
May 06 11:50:31 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: can I pm you?
May 06 11:50:47 <Stskeeps> sure, but i don't help with homework during work hours
May 06 11:50:47 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 11:54:29 <Jaffa> Termana: New rule - I only want to hear the word "karma" in re-runs of _My Name is Earl_
May 06 11:54:41 <CosmoHill> +1
May 06 11:54:51 <Termana> :P
May 06 12:02:31 * lcuk waits for a new meego.com user to start a debate about karma
May 06 12:02:38 <lcuk> bets his name will be Earl
May 06 12:02:39 <lcuk> :D
May 06 12:02:48 <Termana> :D
May 06 12:02:52 <Jaffa> Oh noes
May 06 12:02:55 <Stskeeps> is forum.meego.com -still- upgrading?
May 06 12:03:15 <w00t_> Stskeeps: hopefully it'll never come back, bwahaha
May 06 12:03:21 <Termana> Stskeeps, it was available earlier for me today
May 06 12:03:28 <w00t_> (but yes, I get an upgrading notice)
May 06 12:03:38 <Termana> (also now getting the notice)
May 06 12:10:07 <Jaffa> achipa: Good point: I'd thought about that "positions" comment but didn't want to appear to strengthen whatever position I'm supposed to have.
May 06 12:10:26 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: well, i think the problem is also definition of community..
May 06 12:10:47 <Stskeeps> there's the people with commit/say and there's the people without
May 06 12:11:01 <Tm_T> hi
May 06 12:11:51 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Exactly. And people with admin rights to build systems or listed on a wiki page in a WG or team aren't the extent of the community
May 06 12:14:02 <Stskeeps> we define community as all the people surrounding meego the 'product' i guess?
May 06 12:18:29 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I guess
May 06 12:29:55 <CosmoHill> hey th0br0
May 06 12:47:01 <CosmoHill> maybe I should have bill bailey on in the background
May 06 12:52:02 <CosmoHill> *shouldn't
May 06 13:07:07 <slaine> th0br0: you about ?
May 06 13:07:13 <slaine> I've a spec file question
May 06 13:07:25 * CosmoHill knows a little about spec files
May 06 13:07:44 <slaine> as do I, but I think this is covered by "advanced" :)
May 06 13:07:58 <slaine> I'll ask anyway
May 06 13:08:34 <slaine> I need to create an rpm for a Realtek network driver. This will provide an r8169.ko module, the default kernel one fails badly
May 06 13:08:45 <slaine> How do you package it so that you don't end up with conflicts
May 06 13:09:11 <CosmoHill> if you where doing this by hand you'd want to remove the default one
May 06 13:09:36 <CosmoHill> hmm, I have that network card and that works fine in my server
May 06 13:09:57 <CosmoHill> slaine: you can make it so that before it installs the module it removes the one that is already there
May 06 13:11:24 <slaine> that won't stop the conflict in the rpmdb
May 06 13:11:40 <slaine> as far as rpm will be concerned, the kernel package provides/owns that file
May 06 13:11:44 <CosmoHill> could you remove it from the first package that installs it
May 06 13:11:58 <slaine> I need some way to say that this new rpm replaces the file
May 06 13:12:20 <saschi> hi
May 06 13:12:35 <CosmoHill> i think I'll leave this to th0br0 :)
May 06 13:12:48 <Stskeeps> lo saschi
May 06 13:14:42 <CosmoHill> slaine: 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
May 06 13:16:27 <slaine> CosmoHill: we've about 800 bedside units in a hospital that are netbooting, but they can lockup during a reboot due to the kernel driver
May 06 13:16:40 <CosmoHill> :/
May 06 13:17:07 <slaine> the manufacturer provide a driver as well as work with the kernel net driver team. Both drivers are pretty different though. Kernel driver hangs, Realtek driver is perfect
May 06 13:17:21 <lcuk> paging doctor slaine, doctor slaine, patient in ward b3 reporting kernel error, get to surgery stat
May 06 13:17:46 <slaine> lol
May 06 13:18:01 <slaine> lcuk, it's usually "My TV has a black screen"
May 06 13:18:13 <glinpus> afaik, rpm isn't going to let you do that
May 06 13:18:18 <slaine> it's not
May 06 13:18:22 <lcuk> god forbid any linux hackers are poorly in hospital
May 06 13:18:31 <Stskeeps> no 'diverts'?
May 06 13:18:53 <slaine> I think the best approach is to redo the kernel rpm so that it doesn't provide that module and then provide a realtek rpm that does
May 06 13:19:17 <glinpus> aside from installing with --force
May 06 13:19:59 <slaine> glinpus: dirty
May 06 13:20:02 <glinpus> unless the module happens to sit in a different path than the kernel one
May 06 13:22:17 * CosmoHill grrs cos he can't figure how out to delete a ticket comment from trac
May 06 13:25:03 <slaine> glinpus: good point
May 06 13:25:13 <slaine> I could put it in the updates module directory
May 06 13:25:47 <slaine> or could rename it to realtek-r8169.ko and have an alias
May 06 13:29:48 <kallam> slaine: you can also put orginal module to blacklist
May 06 13:30:16 <slaine> that just stops it from loading surely, doesn't resolve the package management issue
May 06 13:32:24 <kallam> slaine: how about use different name and blacklist in same package.
May 06 13:33:03 <slaine> that's the current plan
May 06 13:33:04 <CosmoHill> could you not remove the orginal file form the kernel package?
May 06 13:33:13 <CosmoHill> there's no point compiling it if you're going to replace it
May 06 13:33:23 <slaine> CosmoHill: we'll probably do that longer term
May 06 13:33:28 <slaine> need to get an update out now
May 06 13:33:46 <slaine> we need to streamline our kernel. it's a default fedora config at the moment
May 06 13:34:36 <CosmoHill> btw how do you find out if you're using the default kernel or the realtek one?
May 06 13:35:01 <slaine> module has different version tags
May 06 13:36:18 <CosmoHill> author:         Realtek and the Linux r8169 crew <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
May 06 13:36:26 <CosmoHill> i think i have the default one
May 06 13:36:43 <CosmoHill> holy shit there is a window cleaner at my window
May 06 13:37:20 <lcuk> CosmoHill, didnt your mum warn you about sitting around in your underpants
May 06 13:37:44 <CosmoHill> underpants?
May 06 13:37:54 <slaine> lol
May 06 14:22:46 <dneary> Jaffa, Ping?
May 06 14:23:27 <CosmoHill> hey DawnFoster
May 06 14:23:52 <DawnFoster> hey CosmoHill
May 06 14:25:48 <CosmoHill> I'm proof reading code
May 06 14:25:56 <CosmoHill>  / trying not to kill simon
May 06 14:26:25 <dneary> Hi guys
May 06 14:26:32 <dneary> How're things in Sunny Portland?
May 06 14:26:44 <CosmoHill> erm, sunny?
May 06 14:27:00 * lbt works on an "ode to karma"
May 06 14:27:11 <CosmoHill> karma++
May 06 14:27:23 <dneary> CosmoHill, It's a zero sum game you know
May 06 14:27:32 <dneary> Yyou just decremented someone else's karma
May 06 14:28:00 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: mailing list creation and such, bugzilla lists.meego.com component or prod you directly (after morning tea)?
May 06 14:28:39 <DawnFoster> yeah - give me a few to wake up, catch up on email & have some caffeine :)
May 06 14:28:55 <Stskeeps> hehe, enjoy
May 06 14:28:59 * Stskeeps goes make himself a cup
May 06 14:29:20 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: can I have one?
May 06 14:29:28 <Stskeeps> if you pay shipping
May 06 14:30:01 <dneary> Reading the very interesting http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/
May 06 14:30:30 <CosmoHill> it's a good thing I'm not at uni
May 06 14:30:37 <CosmoHill> 1. Simon would be dead already
May 06 14:30:43 <CosmoHill> 2. The network has just crashed there
May 06 14:30:51 <CosmoHill> 3. It costs money to print
May 06 14:30:58 <Stskeeps> heh
May 06 14:30:59 <dneary> You know you Americans are always going on about how vital a piece of infrastructure CraigsList is to the fabric of society?
May 06 14:31:08 <TSCHAK> newsweek went up for sal
May 06 14:31:14 <TSCHAK> e
May 06 14:31:20 <dneary> I have never used Craig's List. No-one I know has used CraigsList.
May 06 14:31:31 <lbt> I have.
May 06 14:31:33 <lbt> you know me
May 06 14:31:33 <Jaffa> dneary: pong
May 06 14:31:38 <dneary> CraigsList might well be completely unknown outside North America
May 06 14:31:50 <lbt> I wanted some skis .. it was an epic fail
May 06 14:32:41 <Jaffa> dneary: interesting URL
May 06 14:32:55 <thiago> DawnFoster: hi
May 06 14:33:01 <thiago> DawnFoster: I've just noticed meego planet
May 06 14:33:25 <TSCHAK> Meet the new planet, not the same as the Old Planet
May 06 14:33:28 <thiago> DawnFoster: what do you think of aggregating the Qt Labs blogs for category MeeGo?
May 06 14:33:49 <lbt> +1
May 06 14:34:03 <DawnFoster> thiago - sure. Can you email me a direct feed for that category & I'll add it to the planet.
May 06 14:34:13 <DawnFoster> (still waking up) :)
May 06 14:34:37 <DawnFoster> that goes for anyone else with a meego feed that you want aggregated, too
May 06 14:34:45 <DawnFoster> or drop them onto the planet wiki page
May 06 14:35:19 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/feeds.opml
May 06 14:35:47 <CosmoHill> hey X-Fade
May 06 14:36:20 <DawnFoster> X-Fade - in this case, we want MeeGo specific feeds, so wasn't planning to copy things over from Maemo.
May 06 14:36:47 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: Yeah, altough it might be good to walk over them and see the interesting ones.
May 06 14:36:59 <X-Fade> So you can invite certain people.
May 06 14:37:31 <DawnFoster> that would be an excellent project for an ambitious community member who wants to contribute to MeeGo :)
May 06 14:38:07 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: You just started for this project, you should be full of energy :)
May 06 14:38:13 <lbt> curl http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/feeds.opml | sed 's/maemo/meego/ig' | mail Dawn
May 06 14:38:25 <lbt> and she's had tea
May 06 14:38:48 <DawnFoster> we just ask that the feed we receive is specific to a category or tag for MeeGo and that the we check to make sure the person plans to continue contributing to MeeGo.
May 06 14:38:56 <DawnFoster> still waiting for tea to cool :)
May 06 14:39:50 <DawnFoster> X-Fade - I'm slammed with metrics stuff this week and May release - if people wait for me to wade through the feeds, it's going to be a while :)
May 06 14:39:54 <thiago> DawnFoster: I'm trying to create the MeeGo category now
May 06 14:39:57 <thiago> there's a Maemo one
May 06 14:41:17 <thiago> or we could aggregate the entire Qt Labs blog
May 06 14:41:22 <dneary> http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/04/ed-20-the-importance-of-owners.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+oreilly%2Fradar%2Fatom+%28O%27Reilly+Radar%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
May 06 14:41:34 <thiago> the Planet Maemo only aggregates what's on the Maemo category
May 06 14:41:53 <dneary> esp. the "Do your feet hurt?" story
May 06 14:41:54 <achipa> DawnFoster: http://achipa.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/meego
May 06 14:42:07 <achipa> (though my posts are usually long and boring :P )
May 06 14:42:15 <dneary> thiago, How many posts a day in the Qt Labs blog?
May 06 14:42:25 <thiago> dneary: <1 on average
May 06 14:42:29 <thiago> except days like today
May 06 14:42:51 <dneary> thiago, Making the planet too noisy to start will make it less attractive (but 1 a day sounds doable ;) )
May 06 14:42:56 <DawnFoster> OK people, I'm not awake enough to add feeds to drupal - you need to email them to me or put them on the wiki :)
May 06 14:42:59 <thiago> dneary: five today, because of the releases
May 06 14:43:06 <thiago> but the last one was on April 29
May 06 14:43:18 <DawnFoster> guarantee that I'll lose the ones here in IM :)
May 06 14:44:14 <thiago> dneary: not all blogs will be related to MeeGo. For example, one of the posts today is about the Symbian smart installer release (apt/yum for Symbian)
May 06 14:44:26 <thiago> dneary: or stuff about Mac and Windows
May 06 14:44:44 <dneary> thiago, I don't mind a bit of variety
May 06 14:44:59 <dneary> But my sweet point, from experience, is around 10 to 20 posts per day
May 06 14:45:15 <dneary> More than that & I end up browsing headers & only reading 4 or 5 posts a day
May 06 14:45:49 <dneary> Or en masse marking feeds read because I don't have time to browse 20+ posts.
May 06 14:46:05 <thiago> I think our most active month didn't have more than 20 posts
May 06 14:46:19 <dneary> I've become comfortable with incomplete information over the years - I know I won't see every important blog post, tweet, forum thread, email etc
May 06 14:48:20 <lbt> I noticed that in planet maemo anything not on-topic was voted down (sometimes a little too harshly IMHO)
May 06 14:56:51 <CosmoHill> I don't know if I was meant to learn about segfaults and bus errors
May 06 14:56:56 <CosmoHill> but I have :)
May 06 14:57:18 <CosmoHill> It means I've either made a typo in my data file
May 06 14:57:26 <CosmoHill> or something has gone wrong in the linked list
May 06 14:58:48 <Jaffa> dneary: MWKN to the rescue?
May 06 14:59:08 <dneary> Jaffa, Indeed, I'm a regular reader
May 06 14:59:12 <Jaffa> Right, guessing a URL of http://planet.meego.com/ didn't help.
May 06 15:05:24 <thiago> what image can we use as the MeeGo logo?
May 06 15:24:32 <lbt> th0br0: you mentioned rpmdevtools... seems woefully under-documented... ?
May 06 15:24:41 <th0br0> ohai lbt. uhm
May 06 15:24:43 <th0br0> :D
May 06 15:24:43 <lbt> am I missing something?
May 06 15:24:58 <lbt> hi :)
May 06 15:25:43 <th0br0> no,it does indeed seem underdocumented
May 06 15:25:43 <th0br0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-rpmdevtools
May 06 15:27:01 <lbt> I was hunting down rpmlint
May 06 15:29:28 <CosmoHill> hey th0br0
May 06 15:29:35 <th0br0> heya CosmoHill
May 06 15:29:53 <CosmoHill> I'm speeding up my assignment by using two printers at once
May 06 15:30:48 <TSCHAKeee> lp0: printer on fire
May 06 15:30:53 <TSCHAKeee> lp1: printer on fire
May 06 15:30:57 <TSCHAKeee> :P
May 06 15:32:01 <lbt> TSCHAKeee: you have to work hard to get that nowadays!
May 06 15:32:08 <TSCHAKeee> indeed
May 06 15:32:11 <TSCHAKeee> hehehehe
May 06 15:32:13 <TSCHAKeee> :)
May 06 15:33:09 <CosmoHill> of course, it doesn't work when you print double sided and send the second half to the wrong printer
May 06 15:39:16 <lbt> th0br0: they're in meego already :)
May 06 15:39:21 <lbt> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/
May 06 15:39:24 <th0br0> ah ok. didn't seem them yesterday
May 06 15:42:08 * CosmoHill sees the "low on colour" light and glares at his printer
May 06 15:46:12 * lbt casually builds rpmlint from MeeGo trunk on maemo.org OBS
May 06 15:47:09 <Stskeeps> woo
May 06 15:48:58 <th0br0> :)
May 06 15:53:29 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: tea taken it's effect by now? :)
May 06 15:53:46 <DawnFoster> Mostly :)
May 06 15:54:04 <Stskeeps> mind if i give you a pm then?
May 06 15:54:34 <DawnFoster> go for it
May 06 15:55:24 <DawnFoster> I'm working from home today, so I have real tea (not the kind in the little baggies at work) - gunpowder green
May 06 15:56:51 <TSCHAKeee> DawnFoster: very nice. :) I have some gyokuro and some really good genmaicha here :D
May 06 16:00:01 <thiago> lbt: so you create a .deb of rpmlint? :-)
May 06 16:00:23 <lbt> nope... the maemo.org obs has meego trunk on it (kinda)
May 06 16:00:52 <lbt> it would be the meego.org obs ... but we don't have meego.org
May 06 16:02:12 <Jaffa> lbt: We could get it with a Unicode homoglyph ;-)
May 06 16:02:16 <lbt> DawnFoster: re RSS feeds... you wouldn't yet... there wasn't any point until now :)
May 06 16:02:28 <th0br0> uh... using qt, if i want my layout to use the max size available, how to do that?
May 06 16:02:41 <DawnFoster> lbt: aha - but I can't validate the feed without a post :)
May 06 16:02:41 <lbt> Jaffa: I was going to register the top level domain .com^H^H^Horg
May 06 16:02:52 <lbt> DawnFoster: OK
May 06 16:03:19 <thiago> th0br0: check the methods in QWidget
May 06 16:03:22 <thiago> th0br0: also, check #qt
May 06 16:03:36 <th0br0> thiago: true about #qt. but there is no direct designer way for doing that, right?
May 06 16:03:48 <thiago> th0br0: from the UI designer?
May 06 16:04:04 <th0br0> well yes... like ... some setting or so
May 06 16:04:14 <thiago> you really need to ask in #qt
May 06 16:04:18 * thiago doesn't do GUI
May 06 16:04:36 <th0br0> ^^ ok.
May 06 16:04:58 <Kaadlajk> right-click the widget in designer and select layout
May 06 16:05:23 <Jaffa> lbt: heh
May 06 16:52:19 <CosmoHill> slaine: I've printed off a lot
May 06 16:52:26 <CosmoHill> and it's just code :/
May 06 16:53:23 <slaine> I hope you used very small pt size fonts :)
May 06 16:53:47 <CosmoHill> portrait I get 77 lines of code per A4
May 06 19:49:57 * ucomesdag is away: Away
May 06 20:01:02 * CosmoHill pokes slaine 
May 06 20:01:08 <slaine> evening
May 06 20:01:17 <CosmoHill> I still need todo my report
May 06 20:01:22 <slaine> tsk
May 06 20:01:36 <slaine> let me guess, you've been doing everything but
May 06 20:01:45 <CosmoHill> I've finished my program
May 06 20:01:48 <CosmoHill> made a class diagram
May 06 20:01:51 <CosmoHill> printed the code off
May 06 20:02:08 <CosmoHill> there's got to be at least 30 pages, doubled sided
May 06 20:02:08 <slaine> yeah, you did that earlier
May 06 20:02:37 <CosmoHill> I'm now doing my testing
May 06 20:04:55 <arjan> hehe print the code and then test
May 06 20:04:58 <arjan> that's gutsy
May 06 20:05:08 <CosmoHill> I say testing...
May 06 20:05:18 <CosmoHill> what I mean it making shit up that sounds realistic
May 06 20:07:51 <th0br0> show us CosmoHill ;)
May 06 20:08:12 <CosmoHill> I've basically tested the whole thing as I've been making it
May 06 20:08:16 <CosmoHill> so any problems have been fixed
May 06 20:08:17 <th0br0> besides... shouldn'ti t be the other way 'round? first the class diagram and then the codez?
May 06 20:08:32 <CosmoHill> sorta
May 06 20:08:39 <th0br0> and second to that, did you know that netbeans can generate the diagram for you from code?
May 06 20:08:47 <th0br0> I know that it can do that with java, IIRC with C++ too
May 06 20:08:48 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/mapclass2.png
May 06 20:09:01 <CosmoHill> I didn't know that
May 06 20:09:08 <CosmoHill> I used VS2010 to make the diagram from the coad
May 06 20:09:10 <CosmoHill> code*
May 06 20:09:23 <th0br0> uh... k. I thought that was your diagram ;)
May 06 20:09:23 <CosmoHill> (VS2010 pro)
May 06 20:09:34 <CosmoHill> that's what I had before :)
May 06 20:09:36 <th0br0> ^^
May 06 20:10:27 <CosmoHill> I kinda want to show you guys what I have
May 06 20:10:37 <CosmoHill> but I fear you'll say it's wrong and I'll kill you
May 06 20:13:05 <Stskeeps> heh, not going to have a easy time with code reviews in future then
May 06 20:14:01 <frals> :D
May 06 20:15:09 <th0br0> Better us telling you that than your corrector.
May 06 20:15:12 <th0br0> How so, Stskeeps?
May 06 20:16:06 <Jaffa> Conference dates seem to have changed :-/
May 06 20:16:32 <CosmoHill> it's due in in 20 hours
May 06 20:17:03 <Jaffa> http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=MeeGo_Conference_2010&diff=prev&oldid=2103
May 06 20:19:35 <bfree> the aviva stadium!   that will be an interesting venue!   Guess I'll have to go after all :-p
May 06 20:20:14 <frals> Jaffa: thats good news, it no longer collides with my bday! ;)
May 06 20:22:52 <Jaffa> frals: Excuse for a pissup, surely?
May 06 20:23:00 <Jaffa> frals: Not sure we need one.
May 06 20:23:04 <frals> :D
May 06 20:23:21 <Jaffa> Last time I was in Dublin; Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were at the table next to us in a restaurant/pub.
May 06 20:49:15 <lcuk> h/me gets CosmoHill coffee - you will do fine on your assignment
May 06 20:49:22 <lcuk> right or wrong, its not through lack of effort
May 06 20:49:23 <CosmoHill> thanks
May 06 20:49:38 <CosmoHill> my code is the f**king tits :D
May 06 20:49:42 <CosmoHill> it's the report I don't like :(
May 06 20:50:03 <CosmoHill> or the feeling of light headidness
May 06 20:50:25 <lcuk> CosmoHill, i refer you to an earlier tweet of mine:  http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/13375973687
May 06 20:50:51 <CosmoHill> lol
May 06 20:55:23 <CosmoHill> oh shit > http://machall.com/view.php?date=2002-12-23
May 06 20:56:52 <CosmoHill> I'm scared because that comic is so relative
May 06 21:21:39 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 06 21:21:49 * lbt is downloading MeeGo.com:Trunk
May 06 21:21:56 <lbt> from maemo.org OBS :)
May 06 21:27:05 <slaine> they seem to have a giant iPad on the BBC News
May 06 21:29:00 <dl9pf> lbt: cool
May 06 21:29:15 <lbt> :)
May 06 21:33:56 * GAN900 sighs at Quim's email.
May 06 21:35:09 <lcuk> GAN900, which one - he sends lots
May 06 21:38:55 <slaine> GAN900: link ?
May 06 21:39:40 <CosmoHill> I need motivation >.<
May 06 21:40:00 <lcuk> someone op up and kick CosmoHill ;)
May 06 21:48:28 <GAN900> lcuk, Sprint meeting one.
May 06 23:56:35 <CosmoHill> If you replace the word "change" with the word "spiders", the Conservatives become very scary.
May 07 00:03:06 <TSCHAKeee> hahaha
May 07 00:11:48 <CosmoHill> :)
May 07 00:54:37 <Termana> good morning
May 07 00:56:43 * CosmoHill yawns
May 07 01:01:44 * CosmoHill is half way there
May 07 01:05:28 <Jaffa> Termana: Bollocks. Must be time to go to bed, and leave #ukvote to sort itself out
May 07 01:06:18 <CosmoHill> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/default.stm
May 07 01:10:04 <Termana> Jaffa, :P
May 07 01:16:38 * CosmoHill is a first time voter
May 07 01:27:29 <CosmoHill> I hate my uni cover sheets
May 07 01:27:39 <CosmoHill> they've managed to make something that will only work in IE
May 07 01:36:17 <ljp> i feel your pain
May 07 01:38:27 <CosmoHill> I need to write 500 words :(
May 07 02:23:09 <CosmoHill> cyas
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