**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 07 02:59:56 2010 May 07 08:40:56 Morning, all May 07 08:41:17 morn May 07 08:45:07 time for coffee and toast me thinks May 07 09:46:44 lbt: whats the linked project on meego obs side ? where you issue happenz ? May 07 12:13:58 slaine: you asked earlier if I got anywhere with that watchdog problem (and I've been forgetting to look at IRC) May 07 12:14:32 slaine: what I ended up doing was compiling a new kernel without NOWAYOUT set. that's not a particularly good solution, but it worked at least. May 07 12:22:26 WAHa_06x36: right, so still no idea what was pat'ing the dog then May 07 12:34:12 slaine: right. May 07 12:34:30 slaine: I got so far that I figured out it happened BEFORE udev was started, though. May 07 12:34:52 slaine: because I completely removed /dev/watchdog from udev, and it still started. May 07 12:35:09 so it probably happened in devtmpfs instead. May 07 12:35:28 nice May 07 12:42:14 dumdidum May 07 12:52:09 ping slaine May 07 12:53:16 ACK May 07 12:53:58 would you be interested in getting your hands dirty with the community apps infra? May 07 12:54:22 hell yes May 07 12:54:41 ^^ May 07 12:54:42 great! May 07 12:54:55 oh th0br0 was going to ask you too :) May 07 12:55:00 cool. May 07 12:55:12 sure, I'd like to help out :) May 07 12:55:23 th0br0 were you here all the time, I missed you in the nick list May 07 12:55:43 i was May 07 12:55:50 funny May 07 12:55:57 are you using quassel? May 07 12:56:10 yeah... quassel sometimes bugs the nick list. May 07 12:56:23 well anyway, I was thinking that if you two have time and interest, it would be nice to get some help on the apps thing May 07 12:57:00 sjure May 07 12:57:19 there is pretty much no hardware yet, but once we have some, help would be appreciated May 07 12:57:27 ok May 07 12:57:28 lbt and X-Fade can talk details May 07 12:58:06 will ask them later on then May 07 12:58:16 thanks! May 07 12:58:37 Was writing the wiki page and realised I'm the least qualified person on the thing now May 07 12:59:01 :) May 07 12:59:02 oh hi May 07 12:59:14 almost everyone here :) May 07 12:59:27 Always ;) May 07 12:59:34 haha, hi. May 07 13:01:01 at least the rpm part of the infra is a bit muddy to me May 07 13:01:19 Weekend is perfect for me too May 07 13:01:23 so helping in the repo would be nice May 07 13:01:29 I'll be working and be able to set aside some time to play about May 07 13:01:51 * lbt is writing a blog about the OBS May 07 13:01:59 there are some issues still May 07 13:02:21 Though, I'm an OBS n00b, so I'll have a bit of a learning curve May 07 13:02:25 perhaps that's a good thing May 07 13:02:26 what's not working yet? May 07 13:02:28 slaine: me too May 07 13:02:35 but I am *so close* to building rpmlint at home from the community OBS linked to the meego OBS May 07 13:02:40 I use vim to make my packages :) May 07 13:02:54 what's missing lbt? May 07 13:02:59 Meego OBS is using 1.8 HEAD, we're using 1.7.3 stable May 07 13:03:06 oh ... ^^ May 07 13:03:22 they are a commit or 3 behind and there's a mismatch in the priconf (chroot definition) May 07 13:03:45 not much we can do then i guess May 07 13:04:20 tekojo: can we get these guys onto the jump server on pmo? May 07 13:04:34 do they need NDAs? May 07 13:05:33 no NDAs needede there May 07 13:05:52 X-Fade knows where people can poke at things May 07 13:06:17 isn't H going on it? May 07 13:06:26 but not there yet May 07 13:06:29 Only problem is that we are also testing with Maemo things on the same instance. May 07 13:06:51 does it have the nokia closed binaries repo on it? May 07 13:06:56 Yes May 07 13:07:04 :/ May 07 13:07:29 nothing that isn't solvable with going to the eula page and coming back with a repo url? :P May 07 13:07:30 Tell you what, wake me up when you're ready ;P May 07 13:07:31 But we can disallow access for direct downloads. May 07 13:07:36 just go and click accept on the tablets-dev page? May 07 13:07:54 slaine, th0br0 do you have N900s? May 07 13:08:00 No May 07 13:08:05 no need for the nokia-binaries repo May 07 13:08:06 no May 07 13:08:10 I'm an arm wannabe May 07 13:08:14 X-Fades solution sounds simple May 07 13:08:20 let's go with that May 07 13:08:27 OK May 07 13:08:33 Right now, I've not gut much hardware to test on tbh. May 07 13:08:46 But we'll manage. May 07 13:08:54 so they'll need ssh to the jump box and port 80 to the obs ? May 07 13:09:16 th0br0 that's not a problem, it's more about setting things up May 07 13:09:19 Realistically speaking it is still some time away from being useful as test. May 07 13:09:22 yep. May 07 13:09:28 I can wait May 07 13:09:45 sounds like you're not ready for us just yet May 07 13:09:55 And it is also not running on final hardware. May 07 13:10:16 you think X-Fade? we can start meego work... and get some feedback on SDK issues and the like May 07 13:11:09 lbt: I think it is a bit optimisitic, but that might be just me ;) May 07 13:11:43 take the meego attitude "it's ready!.... here's a shell" May 07 13:11:55 :) May 07 13:11:58 slaine I was just initially asking, but as everyone was here, it's worth seeing when things can be looked at May 07 13:12:15 defo May 07 13:12:46 and no better way of finding out how broken it is than letting strangers bang on it May 07 13:12:53 *nod* May 07 13:13:21 you are making OBS sound like a lady of the night May 07 13:13:35 I'd tap it May 07 13:13:35 * lbt has read the source... May 07 13:13:45 heh May 07 13:13:56 lcuk, Do you like rugby ? May 07 13:14:24 driven through it, nothing especially appealed May 07 13:14:41 May 07 13:14:44 Yeah, stuck there waiting for a train once. I meant the sport though May 07 13:14:58 It's a town? May 07 13:14:59 o.O May 07 13:15:12 th0br0: that's an insult to the name town May 07 13:15:13 not especially tho when i do see it think its better than football May 07 13:15:41 then just turn around and carry on hacking May 07 13:15:55 ok May 07 13:21:23 lbt and X-Fade can you make sure slaine and th0br0 can start looking at things once there is something to work on? May 07 13:22:12 tekojo: Sure May 07 13:22:19 yay May 07 13:22:23 thanks :) May 07 13:23:34 cool. :) May 07 13:24:21 OK, so my plan is... May 07 13:24:49 get OBS to build stuff against MeeGo.com both on the service and locally May 07 13:25:15 setup some structures and processes to do that for a local copy of each MeeGo 'release' May 07 13:25:40 then get you guys to help reproduce and document this May 07 13:25:52 and work through any issues and ideas May 07 13:32:23 lbt: hey May 07 13:32:36 can you get me a meego rootstrap that works on linux from 2006? :) May 07 13:33:05 linux from 2006? May 07 13:33:15 ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped May 07 13:33:39 that's Linux from 2010 for me May 07 13:33:44 /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped May 07 13:33:49 ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped May 07 13:34:07 the meego i was given requires 2.6.25 May 07 13:34:29 * thiago thinks that "GNU" part is wrong May 07 13:34:34 that version is the kernel version May 07 13:34:45 ? May 07 13:35:00 just mumbling about the use of "GNU/Linux" incorrectly May 07 13:35:15 * timeless_mbp ponders May 07 13:35:23 yes, it's wrong May 07 13:35:27 Linux here is just kernel space May 07 13:35:30 gnu is userspace May 07 13:35:57 one sed to far... May 07 13:36:16 nice to see you smoku May 07 13:36:32 * timeless_mbp is confused May 07 13:36:37 hows emulators going? May 07 13:36:39 * timeless_mbp thought this didn't work May 07 13:37:04 /bin/bash: /home/timeless/sb2/meego/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by /bin/bash) May 07 13:37:10 thiago: that's the other half May 07 13:37:39 looks like i can settle for a linux from 2008 May 07 13:37:50 but building one for oct 2009 does me no good May 07 13:38:11 that seems wrong May 07 13:38:24 the libc inside the rootstrap isn't new enough? May 07 13:38:52 the libc in the scratchbox is too new? May 07 13:39:57 my favorite line is this: May 07 13:39:57 FATAL: kernel too old May 07 13:51:57 /bin/bash: relocation error: /bin/bash: symbol strlen, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference May 07 13:52:00 do you prefer that? May 07 13:52:06 pupnik_, crawling... there's a lot of rearning to walk yet ;-) May 07 13:54:01 all i want is a nice simple meego which runs on my linux machine which wasn't born yesterday May 07 13:54:17 when was it born? :P May 07 13:54:17 i know people think all linux boxes should be reborn every day, sometimes two or three times a day May 07 13:54:19 but... May 07 13:54:42 * thiago wonders how many ABI-incompatible strlen there can be May 07 13:54:44 CentOS release 5.4 (Final) May 07 13:54:50 for one single arch, that is May 07 13:56:18 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=symbol+strlen,+version+GLIBC_2.0+not+defined+in+file+libc.so.6+with+link+time+reference&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 May 07 13:56:27 google says plenty of people hit this stupid error message May 07 13:58:43 http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=12939 is my favorite post on this subject May 07 14:00:18 i wonder who'll be the first to run meego on 770 May 07 14:00:19 :P May 07 14:00:57 Stskeeps, meego will run on a cig lighter first May 07 14:01:46 well, it is armv5.. May 07 14:02:18 * lcuk is only pulling leg May 07 14:17:41 Stskeeps: where are we on Fremantle on OBS? May 07 14:18:37 lbt: temporarily stalled while i've been focused on other things May 07 14:18:52 Feeling bored this weekend? May 07 14:19:01 not sure yet May 07 14:19:04 Hehe ;) May 07 14:19:06 OK - let me know May 07 14:19:11 Planning to be bored, nice. May 07 14:19:22 need some chocolate or something, and more coffee May 07 14:19:33 always need more coffee May 07 14:22:01 lbt: but ask me in the morning and my thoughts should be more clearer :) May 07 14:22:36 I shall wait for them to be "more clearer" May 07 14:22:48 "outlook hazy" May 07 14:23:02 w00t_: introspection at work... May 07 14:23:16 more like not enough sleep due to a $@% car alarm May 07 14:23:16 :P May 07 14:24:13 frementle needs a password too right now, right? May 07 14:25:01 ? May 07 14:28:01 right, I'll be back in ~3 h ttyl May 07 14:28:10 the obs server May 07 14:28:17 moin peeps May 07 14:28:36 moin May 07 14:29:16 jedix: atm it's more like a experiment, not really a production site May 07 14:30:49 nod, most things are May 07 14:31:00 by the sound of things anyways :) May 07 14:31:28 at least my build setup is an experiment as well May 07 14:32:30 timeless, couldn't you just recompile the problematic binary for your glibc? May 07 14:32:56 * jedix is still trying to get crosscompile working in obs May 07 14:33:25 smoku: you mean the entirely meego platform? May 07 14:33:28 yeah, that sounds like fun May 07 14:33:41 i think that's precisely why i asked someone else to build meego for me in the first place May 07 14:34:03 haha May 07 14:34:18 can't you just clone the obs if you have access? May 07 14:34:29 i don't have access May 07 14:34:34 me either! May 07 14:34:44 and i don't think it's any more likely to work than the rootfs i got that didn't work May 07 14:35:02 I'm trying to clone the binaries and setup an obs server to build May 07 14:35:04 i could just build xz, since that's all i think i need today May 07 14:35:22 but it's more fun to complain about meego-sb2 in general than xz May 07 14:35:38 sb2? xz? May 07 14:36:01 google? May 07 14:36:05 hehe May 07 14:36:47 scratchbox 2? May 07 14:43:54 it's annoying because setting up cross compile expects you to have access to an obs that has support for the arch/distro May 07 14:44:03 if that was the case.. I'd just use that May 07 14:44:15 does it? May 07 14:44:50 well, the docs do May 07 14:45:09 they seem to assume building debian May 07 14:46:48 obs is 'opensuse-build-system' May 07 14:47:00 you should be able to find setup instructions from opensuse :) May 07 14:47:10 the debian instructions is because some people drank the nokia coolaid May 07 14:47:18 and thus have debian systems and need extra help May 07 14:47:39 http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Concepts/CrossDevelopment uses debian setup for the example May 07 14:47:59 it says to grab the prjconf from the debian:etch builds May 07 14:48:07 which doesn't work for me :/ May 07 14:49:32 jedix: i think that's for targeting debian May 07 14:49:41 which is obviously harder to do on an opensuse box May 07 14:49:49 and thus more interesting of a demo May 07 14:51:25 http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Installation_CentOS May 07 14:51:29 might be interesting May 07 14:51:56 timeless, you can build meego image in meego chroot May 07 14:52:21 tim_jenssen, http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Running_mic-chroot May 07 14:52:31 smoku: thanks May 07 14:52:39 did you notice that i don't have a working meego chroot? May 07 14:52:46 damn autocomplete :/ May 07 14:52:47 * timeless_mbp kills smoku for offering a catch-22 May 07 14:53:40 couldn't you just download a working one? May 07 14:53:49 i've downloaded two May 07 14:53:51 neither worked May 07 14:54:01 do you think this is fun? May 07 14:54:45 I'm sorry I tried to help. I will shut up now. May 07 14:59:37 timeless_mbp: where'd you get your chroot imates? May 07 14:59:39 images even May 07 15:03:10 my brain has turned to mush May 07 15:03:43 it's friday, it's normal May 07 15:03:44 :P May 07 15:03:59 did cosmohill manage to finish his assignment May 07 15:04:23 * lbt yawns May 07 15:04:38 pounds at sqlalchemy May 07 15:04:39 * CosmoHill sticks an orange in lbt's mouth May 07 15:04:49 Still writing that repot CosmoHill May 07 15:04:57 all done and handed in :D May 07 15:05:03 yay May 07 15:05:14 did cosmohill manage to finish his assignment May 07 15:05:14 * kth (~kth@dyndsl-095-033-118-094.ewe-ip-backbone.de) has joined #meego May 07 15:05:14 * CosmoHill (~Nate@dyn-62-56-60-21.dslaccess.co.uk) has joined #meego May 07 15:05:58 :D May 07 15:06:48 jedix: one from meego.com and one from Stskeeps May 07 15:07:07 afaik his image is still online, and i grabbed the url from public irc logs May 07 15:07:09 the meego.com is devel? May 07 15:07:53 8 page report, 55 pages of code :o May 07 15:10:04 CosmoHill: well done May 07 15:10:15 :) May 07 15:13:24 have you ever...passed out...because you were home alone...depressed about your ex-girlfriend....so you...put on some brazillian midget porn...and proceeded to masturbate...but you....used a little too much lube...and you slipped...and twisted yourself up in your sex swing....and got the harness wrapped around your neck at the exact moment you were about to drop a load....so you choked yourself? .... eh, neither have I. May 07 15:13:54 heh, wrong channel? :P May 07 15:14:16 If not, I'm not sure we wanted to hear that. May 07 15:14:31 oh, damn. I thought this was #psychiatry May 07 15:15:43 ok, people. May 07 15:15:49 hey DawnFoster May 07 15:15:57 See, I *am* paying attention :) May 07 15:16:17 I've desided not to read what TSCHAKeee said May 07 15:16:21 decided * May 07 15:16:22 hey CosmoHill - sounds like you finished one heck of an assignment May 07 15:16:30 :) May 07 15:16:33 3 more to go :( May 07 15:22:25 meego 1.0 should be released at end of May? May 07 15:22:37 TSCHAKeee: that's not midget porn... it's just that the Joggler only has a 5" screen... May 07 15:23:04 ;) May 07 15:23:36 stop being miserable : http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916&ref=mf May 07 15:24:35 go and apply... but note that you just lost DawnFoster as a character reference (although I think you gained w00t_) May 07 15:24:40 to write C++ or in Qt tool kit. May 07 15:24:41 fix? May 07 15:24:51 th0br0: it's a code May 07 15:24:59 embedded message May 07 15:24:59 hey th0br0 May 07 15:25:02 :) May 07 15:25:03 * lcuk shudders at facepalm required to apply May 07 15:25:05 lbt: that hurts May 07 15:25:06 huh? May 07 15:25:07 :P May 07 15:26:00 TSCHAKeee: you still looking for work? May 07 15:26:08 Also, there are some other cool MeeGo jobs posted in the LinkedIn group (Linux devs, Qt, Linux UI eng, etc.): http://bit.ly/dnTr13 May 07 15:26:17 just what is the eu equivalent of a technical diploma? May 07 15:26:23 BSoC? May 07 15:26:24 eeh May 07 15:26:28 BoS May 07 15:26:39 depends how old you are May 07 15:26:50 DawnFoster: what LinkedIn group is that ? May 07 15:26:56 hand-drawn certificate from the monks... May 07 15:27:20 ;) May 07 15:27:24 it's a MeeGo linked in group - not sure who created it May 07 15:27:49 ya nvm. it's still some time until i quit school anyway... i'm not even sure whether I want to join the it industry afterwards May 07 15:28:31 I'd like one of these May 07 15:28:31 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/two-audis.jpg May 07 15:30:12 th0br0: .... "not IT!" May 07 15:30:39 meh... May 07 15:31:25 ;) May 07 15:32:02 http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/Tuscan/20061007-160737-PS_Lg.jpg May 07 15:32:10 get a cat... May 07 15:32:21 can i have both? May 07 15:32:23 ok, I applied May 07 15:32:57 CosmoHill: http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/06-DB7-or-XKR_Lg.jpg sure... May 07 15:33:10 IT sucks.... May 07 15:33:17 of course, i am self taught, so.. am wondering if they'll ever look at it :P May 07 15:33:41 TSCHAKeee: demonstrate competence May 07 15:34:34 TSCHAKeee: what's your cv? May 07 15:34:56 my cv is mostly lots of experience, little education. May 07 15:35:16 but i am an odd case, i was programming 6502 assembler when I was 4. May 07 15:36:17 :D May 07 15:36:39 * CosmoHill was 11 when he got a PC May 07 15:36:39 when i was that age i was only toying around with dos and win 3.1 ;) May 07 15:36:48 wow May 07 15:36:51 thanks for making me feel old May 07 15:36:53 ;) May 07 15:37:01 * lcuk might get round to updating linkedin profile with recent activities May 07 15:37:03 :P May 07 15:37:16 and it's MS-DOS :P May 07 15:37:21 i was about 5 when we got our first PC May 07 15:37:27 i wasn't allowed to touch it May 07 15:37:45 any of you brits in here remember the RiscPC? ;) May 07 15:37:50 (or the BBC computer?) ;) May 07 15:37:55 Acorn? May 07 15:37:58 yup May 07 15:38:07 i think i was 6 May 07 15:38:08 True, TSCHAKeee. May 07 15:38:17 * TSCHAKeee has a few acorn in my collection May 07 15:38:24 including an Electron May 07 15:38:25 My first computer was an an Atari 400xl :) May 07 15:38:31 DawnFoster: 600XL? May 07 15:38:39 my first computer was a time machine May 07 15:38:52 DawnFoster: I know that architecture very well.. it was what I learned 6502 assembler on. May 07 15:39:10 I had a 400xl and then an 800xl May 07 15:39:38 TSCHAKeee, dawn laughs at your assembler knowledge, i bet she would enter binary manually whilst sipping an icecream :p May 07 15:39:41 my atari 8-bits... Atari 400, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari 1200XL, and my little jewel, an actual Atari 1450XLD May 07 15:40:13 ( i almost said an alcoholic drink but i dont think that started so early :P) May 07 15:40:14 lcuk: I wish! May 07 15:40:44 a few of us were actually able to pull 4,096 colours out of the ANTIC by doing a combo of DLI tricks and page flipping between three color separated images. May 07 15:40:45 I was more of a sys admin than a programmer, but I did some assembly in college May 07 15:41:04 :) May 07 15:41:13 * CosmoHill hands DawnFoster a hard drive and a magnetic needle and watches her program May 07 15:41:31 hard level! May 07 15:41:44 I worked with a guy that programmed via switches and blinking lights May 07 15:41:48 the atari 8-bit had so many neat hidden features... May 07 15:41:56 Let's just say that I'm better suited to community manager than programmer ;) May 07 15:41:58 slaine: i have a few of those machines in my collection as well :) May 07 15:42:32 I was playing with evil kenevil toys when I was 4 May 07 15:42:34 slaine: my highlights include an Altair 8800, and a 680.. a PDP 11/45, a DG Nova... May 07 15:42:47 i recall entering mandelbrot assembler/hex into my spectrum May 07 15:42:54 and watching it spend 24hours to render a single frame May 07 15:42:56 (of the ones that are switchy/blinkylights) May 07 15:42:59 i was awestruck May 07 15:43:00 :) May 07 15:43:04 the Speccy May 07 15:43:21 a triumph of inexpensive design May 07 15:43:27 now on my 810/900s i can do it in realtime May 07 15:43:31 got computers into so many hands in the UK May 07 15:43:42 yeah was a win May 07 15:43:46 JPP May 07 15:43:47 My first computer was a C64, the floppy drive cost so much, that by the time I'd saved enough for it, we sold the C64, used the floppy drive money and I bought an Amiga A500 May 07 15:44:00 I was a long time C64 and Amiga user as well May 07 15:44:00 TSCHAKeee, wasn't that blinking like hell? i remember even 2 images interlace modes were flickering on C64 if you weren't carefull which colors you mixed May 07 15:44:08 beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bediddldklidldidildlidliddildidlddidl May 07 15:44:11 my last Amiga was a 4000. May 07 15:44:11 I started programming in 2005 May 07 15:44:15 smoku: oh yes. May 07 15:44:17 Nice May 07 15:44:34 I was playing with my a500 a few months back. Still works great May 07 15:44:48 I got to meet Jay Miner before he died May 07 15:44:51 TSCHAKeee, so 4096 is purely theoretical :D May 07 15:44:52 gave him a hug May 07 15:45:00 for designing such an amazing set of chips May 07 15:45:10 smoku, 4096 was feasible May 07 15:45:13 (I did the same to Joe DeCuir many years later) May 07 15:45:13 ham worked well May 07 15:45:19 HAM worked REALLY well May 07 15:45:35 ... also the standard VGA could be tricked into true color modes using page flipping tricks and switching around of the pallette ... May 07 15:45:49 pippin: yup, unchaining May 07 15:45:55 slaine, the amiga remains one of the marvels of engineering May 07 15:46:01 the components work so well together May 07 15:46:10 pippin: many of us tore through Abrash's book detailing on those subjects... May 07 15:46:11 lcuk, you can't really consider blinking black/white as 33% gray :) May 07 15:46:19 My RAD setup disk for Workbench 1.3 disk still worked too. Rebooted into a full gui in 2 seconds May 07 15:46:38 lcuk: completely agreed. I used mine for professional work all the way into 2000. May 07 15:46:50 the Atari ST also had great bootup times too May 07 15:46:52 TSCHAKeee: I didnt read abrash, but back in the day my favourite trick was to do 256x256 in 256 color mode, a putpixel can have its y in ah and x in al then, no other offset math needed :) May 07 15:47:01 from black to GEM in 2 seconds May 07 15:47:12 pippin: :) May 07 15:47:17 VGA xmode was a game changer too May 07 15:47:33 I cut my chops on the C64 and A500 and then got a PC when I got my first job May 07 15:47:33 320*200 planar 256 color uber quick May 07 15:47:55 my primary machines were my Amiga, my TT030, and my NeXTStation in the mid 90s... at the time, my PC was a toy. May 07 15:48:11 first computer I felt that comfort zone from the Amiga was my first Mac May 07 15:48:24 the mac felt like a dumb blonde to me May 07 15:48:31 pretty, but compared to the amiga, lacking in substance. May 07 15:48:44 felt that way for many years May 07 15:48:45 I didn't get a Mac 'til 10.3 May 07 15:48:59 but I remember people I knew May 07 15:49:02 and that was full unix with a nice gui as far as I was concerned at the time May 07 15:49:02 literally bewildered May 07 15:49:07 that my Amiga was MULTITASKING May 07 15:49:25 amigabasic manual :) May 07 15:49:31 yeek May 07 15:49:34 leave it to microsoft May 07 15:49:35 i had that in bathroom for years May 07 15:49:37 hehe, those where the days May 07 15:49:43 to make one of the weirdest basic implementations EVER May 07 15:49:48 but it worked May 07 15:49:49 and boy howdy May 07 15:49:53 SLOOOOW May 07 15:49:54 :) May 07 15:50:02 I learned how to program from that book and from listings in magazines May 07 15:50:07 no wonder AMOS took off May 07 15:50:10 :) May 07 15:50:13 TSCHAKeee, if you think thats slow, things have gone downhill since May 07 15:50:21 lcuk: yeah... i know May 07 15:50:33 lcuk: most desktops now...feel about as fast....as workbench on my A500 May 07 15:50:37 we sound like a bunch of oldtimers May 07 15:50:38 arexx - another wonder that python is only just scratching the surface with May 07 15:50:39 and my a500 still felt faster May 07 15:50:39 Wait..... May 07 15:50:56 lcuk: agreed... REXX was an amazing language... and it was an interesting choice to port it May 07 15:51:08 cygnused pwns all for speed/flexibility May 07 15:51:15 and boy howdy did EVERYTHING May 07 15:51:18 take advantage of AREXX May 07 15:51:39 never had the 2.x roms so never got to play with AREXX May 07 15:51:40 arexx and directoryopus May 07 15:51:51 could freaking move mountains May 07 15:52:08 but if you guys want to see fast May 07 15:52:11 and i mean holy shit fast May 07 15:52:13 portrait dopus clone would be good on n900 May 07 15:52:17 whoa whoa whoa fast May 07 15:52:22 go boot AROS sometime May 07 15:52:23 and having 2 n900s next to each other would be really cool May 07 15:52:30 or AmigaOS 4 May 07 15:52:40 from black to desktop in 5 seconds. May 07 15:53:53 btw you guys might get to see my report / assignment later May 07 15:54:04 depends if my lecturer will allow me to share it May 07 15:54:13 and also after i get my grades May 07 15:54:24 cool May 07 15:54:30 why wouldn't he tho? you wrote it May 07 15:54:40 TSCHAKeee, Amiga Workbench felto so fast, because Intuition was a separate process responsible for handling the whole UI and had the highest priority. No other system followed that design. Apple is doing something similiar in iPhone, but not quite this well. :) May 07 15:54:45 i think it's university property May 07 15:54:46 CosmoHill, sure thing, your epic has been great to hear :) May 07 15:54:47 but I'm not sure May 07 15:54:56 and it's not like, in real genius, he's going to take the laser and run off with it to some sekrit military project, right? :P :) May 07 15:55:05 ask them if its possible, host it on their servers and give props to the tutors May 07 15:55:23 smoku: indeed. I am very familiar with the underlying system design.. May 07 15:55:47 linux hackers looking for a job take a look: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916 ;) May 07 15:56:19 hmm May 07 15:56:26 Nokia X6 for £25 a month May 07 15:56:41 i think luke got himself an x6 May 07 15:56:47 Luke/ May 07 15:56:48 not sure May 07 15:56:52 luke == my eldest May 07 15:56:58 cool May 07 15:57:07 why not an N900 ? :D May 07 15:57:11 he's not 21 is he? May 07 15:57:26 because i cant afford to buy him one - i already spent money getting tracy one May 07 15:58:14 hehehehhe May 07 15:58:20 kids...wanting...an N900? May 07 15:58:29 *scratch-head* May 07 15:58:30 yeah May 07 15:58:37 you'd think...they'd want an iPhone or something May 07 15:58:40 *runs* May 07 15:58:42 :) May 07 15:58:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II May 07 15:58:48 but iphone doesnt do this :p May 07 15:58:52 the iphone looks nice May 07 15:58:59 yeah, but again May 07 15:59:01 apple May 07 15:59:04 dumb blonde May 07 15:59:07 pretty on outside May 07 15:59:09 but it still doesn't do what EVERY OTHER PHONE ON THE MARKET can do May 07 15:59:13 not much but hot air past the chest May 07 15:59:16 :P May 07 15:59:33 TSCHAKeee: sex bot May 07 15:59:47 pretty on the outside, eletrical shock hazard on the inside May 07 16:00:01 CosmoHill: my last girlfriend was a brazillian. hell yes. May 07 16:00:20 but i always get the smart psychotic ones May 07 16:00:21 Brazillian or Made in Brazil? May 07 16:00:23 :( May 07 16:00:31 are brazilians known for their electricity? May 07 16:00:45 CosmoHill: both. May 07 16:00:50 i somehow think of lawnmowers and parties May 07 16:00:58 lcuk: the library study room door handles are May 07 16:01:04 those things are painful May 07 16:01:12 * TSCHAKeee still licking his wounds. May 07 16:01:20 * CosmoHill pets TSCHAKeee May 07 16:01:20 only thing i know about brazil is they got some hot chics daynign half naked in the streets :> May 07 16:01:36 Votan, hence lawnmowers and parties May 07 16:01:39 i loved her.. .but she realized she didn't love me May 07 16:02:06 and that... she was going to have to change me... into what she wanted. May 07 16:03:06 you mean you would have to become a man? May 07 16:03:27 lcuk, your in love with the knight rider lighting aren't you? :P May 07 16:03:29 lcuk: the man, she wanted. May 07 16:03:48 Termana, i just like doing cool stuff May 07 16:04:16 which really isn't fair May 07 16:04:19 but May 07 16:04:21 what can I do May 07 16:04:46 seeing something cool using only 6 leds is sometimes better than seeing what a top of the range high spec big pc can do with uber graphics cards and billions of polygons May 07 16:05:09 "oh look a rainbow effect underwater" May 07 16:06:13 besides Termana using those lights would be cool to "heat up " the screen May 07 16:06:21 and make bubbles come out at the bottom and float up May 07 16:06:31 press a key light comes on bubbles appear May 07 16:06:44 i look at these ARM based computers May 07 16:06:48 and realize, computers are fun again May 07 16:07:02 because we have a chance to make something better May 07 16:07:12 and get away from the god awful desktop paradigm May 07 16:08:12 TSCHAKeee, the desktop paradigm has always been escapbable May 07 16:08:20 ive been coding for years without thinking about it May 07 16:08:52 i just hope Microsoft doesn't take the hint from Apple/ipad and make it so with Windows 8, you can only buy applications directly from microsoft, and microsoft takes a 30% cut off the top of the world software market May 07 16:09:04 so have I, but my focus is precisely on alternate user interfaces May 07 16:09:14 I've been a primary user of Squeak for over a decade May 07 16:09:27 trying to get other people to use it? hah May 07 16:09:30 tried..been there..done that... May 07 16:09:36 TSCHAKeee, I love the combination of both, personally. May 07 16:10:00 GAN900: my focus right now, is to try and create a user experience for an entire hous May 07 16:10:07 hey GAN900 May 07 16:10:15 GAN900, i dont think anybody wants to remove desktops - they work so damned well as is. but theres more to life May 07 16:10:16 GAN900: to see if it is feasibly possible, and try to figure out what it would work like... May 07 16:10:19 is it a good idea to learn dvorak when you have a workload/ May 07 16:10:30 instead of just in your spare time? May 07 16:10:36 CosmoHill: up to you. I can't use dvorak because I am left handed May 07 16:10:45 its never a good idea to learn dvorak May 07 16:10:46 * CosmoHill blinks May 07 16:10:59 TSCHAKeee, left handed variations are around May 07 16:11:07 (ironically, the very thing Sholes keyboard layout was designed to do, make it slow to type, by pushing the most used keys as far apart as possible, also makes it left handed, and thus, insanely fast for me) May 07 16:11:53 anything is fast given enough practice May 07 16:12:04 I use a chord keyset on my main workstation May 07 16:12:07 it was so the hammers o nthe typewriter didnt intefere - not for speed May 07 16:12:24 i got one after I saw Doug Engelbart's demo... May 07 16:12:33 and loved it ever since. May 07 16:12:42 lcuk: correct. May 07 16:13:18 what's the meego N8x0 status? May 07 16:13:19 I think I'll stick with qwerty atm May 07 16:13:20 epictetus: and what exactly do you think nokia and intel are going to do with their appup/ovi stores, give it all away for free ? May 07 16:13:30 everybody wants an app store May 07 16:13:33 :P :) May 07 16:13:55 i'm just concerned, about 50 billion forks of meego May 07 16:14:01 all slightly incompatible May 07 16:14:09 because the vendors up top wanna make a quick buck May 07 16:14:18 intel meego? May 07 16:14:22 nokia meego? May 07 16:14:24 openpeak meego? May 07 16:14:33 meego meego? May 07 16:14:36 :P May 07 16:14:40 watch out for my blog on this later TSCHAKeee May 07 16:14:52 assuming DawnFoster aggregated me :) May 07 16:16:05 as for the ovi store May 07 16:16:17 lbt: ping me when you have your first post in that feed :) Then I'll add you to the aggregator May 07 16:16:20 a bit light on the shelves, isn't it? ;) May 07 16:16:23 DawnFoster: ta.. :) May 07 16:16:57 unlike my other assignments, my programming one is all over the place :( May 07 16:17:06 now if I could just systematically beat open source programmers on the head about their stupid #(@$#@($ naming of software... May 07 16:20:14 man, i am #@($(@# VIBRATING May 07 16:20:19 I WANT TO SEE UX CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May 07 16:20:27 * Stskeeps passes TSCHAKeee a good pint May 07 16:20:32 thank you May 07 16:20:37 sorry, too much coffee. May 07 16:21:13 TSCHAKeee: have you got that Joggler doing anything interesting yet? May 07 16:21:15 why in open source are we waiting to see what other people do? May 07 16:21:25 lcuk: indeed May 07 16:22:00 * lbt just built a package against the community OBS :) May 07 16:22:01 lcuk: i've been building stuff in clutter, but I want to see some of the patterns and architecture present in the UX code May 07 16:22:14 clutter... nooooo May 07 16:22:19 ehhe May 07 16:22:26 gtk.... May 07 16:22:35 * lbt goes to lie down May 07 16:22:38 lcuk: my goal is to create a Home UX May 07 16:22:48 IN Qt DAMNIT May 07 16:23:12 I didn't ship that thing thousands of miles for you to run Gtk on it!!! May 07 16:23:19 get a grip man May 07 16:23:30 :P May 07 16:24:07 right now May 07 16:24:11 i am trying to figure out May 07 16:24:14 how to blur the stage May 07 16:24:21 so that EVERYTHING behind the stage appears blurred May 07 16:24:24 I don't have so religious feelings towards either gtk or qt :) May 07 16:24:28 (composited window) May 07 16:24:36 has anyone done this? May 07 16:24:53 yeah maemo does in the gtk clutter compositor May 07 16:24:55 this is critical to the UI look that I want to be able to pull off... May 07 16:25:23 because Orbiter wraps other applications May 07 16:25:26 like Xine May 07 16:25:30 and mame May 07 16:25:32 etc... May 07 16:25:32 * lcuk goes back to 6 little leds and simpler more effective less battery draining fun May 07 16:25:37 these are just normal X windows May 07 16:25:46 I've always believed that the tool you know how to use, is the correct one for the task :) May 07 16:25:56 perl May 07 16:25:59 and they need to be blurred etc when the orbiter UI is in front May 07 16:25:59 be it either gtk or qt May 07 16:26:15 * lcuk believes you prototype the effect you want in a specific case then make it for a the general May 07 16:26:17 lbt: well if you only knew perl and nothing else, yes. May 07 16:26:30 oh snap May 07 16:26:34 TSCHAKeee, you have an n900? May 07 16:26:35 hahahahahaha May 07 16:26:38 lcuk: yes May 07 16:27:04 I only have n800 May 07 16:27:06 :) May 07 16:27:13 the various source components of maemo seem to have disappeared temporarily during the shift to meego May 07 16:27:19 download hyperui if you can and have a look :) its nice and fast - its a none working example but the principles look simple and logical May 07 16:27:24 Jartza: perl is never the correct answer; but it's usually the best answer May 07 16:27:25 it reminds me a lot of liq* code :) May 07 16:27:32 ok May 07 16:27:41 yes, i have hyperUI May 07 16:28:10 i just wish more of qt apps were oriented to be pluginable May 07 16:28:19 of all the C++ toolkits May 07 16:28:24 qt is the one i can stand the most May 07 16:28:33 unfortunately, all of linuxmce is written in STL May 07 16:28:37 *facepalm* May 07 16:28:48 *bang-skull-with-a-brick* May 07 16:28:56 no, most of minuxmce is written in autogenerator May 07 16:29:07 the core app without all that cant be that big May 07 16:29:07 don't make me glass you May 07 16:29:11 :P May 07 16:30:10 lcuk: and yes, actually take a look at some bits of the code, for example, the main orbiter class is 12,000 lines long May 07 16:30:21 media plugin's main class is similar May 07 16:30:25 and i would kill them for that May 07 16:30:32 if i knew where in romania to find them May 07 16:30:35 :P May 07 16:34:08 * slaine still codes in C 95% of the time May 07 16:37:05 slaine, i think in c no matter what language im working on - recently thats been bash,c++,python :D May 07 16:37:29 lcuk, thats sums me up perfectly May 07 16:38:04 im really liking python tho - but i seem to be working it a bit hard May 07 16:38:15 I code c++ like c with classes and function overloading. Once upon a time that was perfectly acceptable. I don't think it is now. May 07 16:38:34 snap May 07 16:38:43 * lcuk thinks in objects and classes - CFront style May 07 16:38:44 I seem to want to like python more than I do though May 07 16:39:02 peer pressure possibly. May 07 16:39:03 i dont mind it makes excellent prototyping May 07 16:39:34 I find I use python for certain types of scripting work that bash would be cumbersome in. May 07 16:39:41 i just wis h the autocompiler from python to c++ would give usable results May 07 16:40:14 I also mocked up a few apps using it to prove a point, gstreamer based IPTV app for example May 07 16:41:39 I know, HTML, CSS, PHP, shell (kinda), C, Java, AS3, javascript and C++ May 07 16:41:40 yeah as glue its great May 07 16:41:46 ive probably missed some May 07 16:41:51 i have just been stretching out and finding its limits May 07 16:41:56 made a particle system using it May 07 16:42:12 beyond 30 or so it makes whole countries cry May 07 16:42:31 on desktop its reasonable, but still slower than years old vb code May 07 16:43:44 (oh and mysql and mssql) May 07 16:43:52 * lbt thinks we should do more functional coding with objects May 07 16:43:59 man, talking of old school May 07 16:44:05 Did you see the news on Voyager 2 May 07 16:44:20 much respect to the grey beards working on solving that one May 07 16:45:18 lbt agreed May 07 16:45:38 simple logical classes with distint progression methods May 07 16:45:45 distinct May 07 16:56:54 lbt: did I hear somebody say functional programming? ERLANG!!! :D May 07 16:57:32 nah... more... perl .... or C++ or python May 07 16:57:39 just not Java-like May 07 16:57:54 * TSCHAKeee thinks more ppl need to look at erlang May 07 16:58:13 could be... but then there's an accessibility issue too May 07 16:58:39 I'd like to see features from that type of language integratred into things like python/perl May 07 16:58:55 I am looking forward to perl6 actually May 07 16:59:29 the ability to : use erlang; May 07 16:59:37 is quite amazing May 07 17:01:15 lbt, in ##c they have a compiler bot :D May 07 17:01:25 its multi language and they also use an online codepad which does similar May 07 17:01:39 you just specify little code lines and it gives you the results May 07 17:02:10 perl6 is interesting since the use declaration defines the syntax parsing for the next code area May 07 17:02:30 so you can use python; and then write whitespace indent controlled code May 07 17:02:34 or use lisp; May 07 17:02:39 and use ()(())) May 07 17:02:50 neat May 07 17:02:51 damn that imbalance is annoying May 07 17:02:57 ((()(())) May 07 17:03:00 better May 07 17:03:25 mutter need emacs irc mode May 07 17:03:38 anyhow... it's really cool stuff May 07 17:03:43 still missing a ) May 07 17:04:32 I know... don't point it out to me May 07 17:04:38 ;) May 07 17:04:44 just call me adrian May 07 17:26:06 DawnFoster: ping... May 07 17:26:19 http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html May 07 17:28:04 done! May 07 17:28:14 bonus points for using my name in the post :) May 07 17:28:42 it will take a few minutes to populate to the planet May 07 17:29:03 i like the Dawn bit lbt lol May 07 17:29:58 I duno about you but I can't seem to get 3D to work May 07 17:36:30 lbt: are we a babylon 5 fan? May 07 17:36:33 :P :) May 07 17:36:39 * TSCHAKeee is May 07 17:36:54 Is lbt a royalty? May 07 17:37:02 Or a chief editor? May 07 17:58:44 TSCHAKeee: just had a 2 episodes-a-day marathon... May 07 17:59:04 lbt: my favourite is still the end of season 4 May 07 17:59:50 xanthros says you are the one. May 07 18:00:03 you are the one who was, you are the one who is, you are the one who will be. May 07 18:00:14 and you are the one...who gave me gas... May 07 18:00:15 * lcuk gets a shiver whenever he watches that scene May 07 18:00:30 it's a great bit of writing... May 07 18:00:30 yes May 07 18:00:34 that one too May 07 18:00:43 i have a friend who is a writing buff and he swears the writing is terrible May 07 18:00:46 i completely disagree May 07 18:00:55 it is one of the most daring experiments in television history May 07 18:01:01 a full length novel spread across television May 07 18:01:08 and on re-watching it is quite clear that there were lots of stage actors May 07 18:01:21 who tend to dominate somewhat May 07 18:01:26 michael o'hare May 07 18:01:41 aka Michael o'hmygodthoseareTHEBIGGESTEYEBROWSI'VEEVERSEEN! May 07 18:01:52 meh... he was a weak link IMHO May 07 18:02:05 sorry, no thats david tennant May 07 18:02:28 i liked that they chose Bruce Boxleitner May 07 18:02:34 who... i'm rather glad.... May 07 18:02:38 will be back.... May 07 18:02:42 in the new TRON. May 07 18:02:50 back. May 07 18:02:52 although what the hell May 07 18:03:00 What did you watch lbt? May 07 18:03:03 they completely decolourized the tron universe! May 07 18:03:09 Andreas Katsulas May 07 18:03:15 yes, andreas May 07 18:03:16 Bab 5 th0br0 ... May 07 18:03:20 great shakespearean actor! May 07 18:03:24 Mh, I never watched it it seems. May 07 18:03:37 and Peter Jurasik May 07 18:03:38 He and Peter Jurasik May 07 18:03:47 yup, each May 07 18:03:50 upstaging May 07 18:03:52 th0br0: it is good May 07 18:03:53 the other May 07 18:03:55 ;) May 07 18:04:00 mh. maybe i'll get some episodes May 07 18:04:11 lbt :) g'kar and londo were character matches beyond comprehension May 07 18:04:13 Although, right now I'm sorta hooked up on japanese dramas. May 07 18:04:16 th0br0: you have to watch it all May 07 18:04:20 you can not May 07 18:04:23 watch May 07 18:04:25 individual episodes May 07 18:04:29 TSCHAKeee: I was talking about the first few episodes May 07 18:04:30 it will not make sense May 07 18:04:34 lcuk: yeah. they were May 07 18:04:35 And deciding whether to continue afterwards May 07 18:04:48 th0br0: there's no decision... May 07 18:04:51 and the WHOLE first season May 07 18:04:55 is exposition May 07 18:05:03 :P lbt May 07 18:05:16 which alienated people May 07 18:05:19 but those that stuck around May 07 18:05:25 got a great show :) May 07 18:05:42 yeah, it was the connectivity across 5 years... May 07 18:05:42 season 1 was more like traditional shows of the time May 07 18:06:02 there was a story arc, but you could watch episodes individually May 07 18:06:05 and the "ah, that scene from 3 years ago makes sense now" May 07 18:06:17 awesome stuff May 07 18:06:51 th0br0: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html May 07 18:07:32 ahhh the centauri May 07 18:07:37 masters of the really bad May 07 18:07:41 fake accents May 07 18:07:43 ;) May 07 18:07:43 hair? May 07 18:07:48 yes, that too May 07 18:07:51 ;) May 07 18:07:57 except the women May 07 18:07:58 B5? May 07 18:07:58 but you notice May 07 18:08:08 EACH AND EVERY CENTAURI SPOKE A DIFFERENT ACCENT? May 07 18:08:11 microlith: *nod* May 07 18:08:11 ;) May 07 18:08:18 TSCHAKeee: humanist May 07 18:08:34 Lord Reefer May 07 18:08:36 TSCHAKeee, no different to the world May 07 18:08:37 TSCHAKeee: each and everyone of us probably do too May 07 18:08:37 (kidding) May 07 18:09:30 but the whole third season was one big barrage of ass kicking May 07 18:09:42 sounds nice lbt... May 07 18:10:05 fingers crossed... May 07 18:10:11 * jedix checks what channel this is May 07 18:10:12 (worth to know... Peter Jurasik was in TRON as well) May 07 18:10:22 really.. cool... May 07 18:10:28 yup, as Chrome May 07 18:10:35 jedix: it's not Debian May 07 18:10:42 the actuarial program that Flynn meets upon getting shoved int othe game grid. May 07 18:10:43 yeah, he was an accounts program May 07 18:10:56 when i pass, i'd like to explore space beyond the galactic rim :) May 07 18:10:56 where'd that come from? May 07 18:11:05 lcuk: me too... May 07 18:11:09 me too... May 07 18:11:34 jedix: HI! WELCOME TO #geekPopCulture! May 07 18:11:36 :D May 07 18:11:41 hehe May 07 18:11:46 but what is the roadmap for maemo? May 07 18:11:52 I mean, how long will maemo be still around? May 07 18:11:53 jedix: friday nights get get a bit less ... formal May 07 18:11:56 th0br0: somewhere beyond the rim... May 07 18:11:57 th0br0: for ages May 07 18:12:00 *ba-dum-ching* May 07 18:12:12 lbt: oh, it's still afternoon for me May 07 18:12:19 :) May 07 18:12:28 lcuk:I started my assignment on the 11th of april according to the change lot :o May 07 18:12:38 so nokia actually plans to have maemo AND meego? May 07 18:12:45 jedix: you just missed it too, we were about to discuss Wil Wheaton's importance to ST:TNG! May 07 18:12:49 * TSCHAKeee runs!!! May 07 18:13:03 GUARDS! May 07 18:13:03 CosmoHill: be glad that you don't have to do any gui. May 07 18:13:12 send him to the brig May 07 18:13:23 I got capped on my last assignment because I dumped the non-working GUI code :( May 07 18:13:23 I have to do a GUI for some application right now... but I DON'T WANT TO. GUI development & design is a pita. especially when you don't know the tools May 07 18:13:40 CosmoHill: you mean the one you just completed? May 07 18:13:50 my previous one I did in java May 07 18:13:55 ah ok. May 07 18:14:36 Besides, why does the ScriptDebugger not use any UI files :) I'd so very much like to steal their code edit widget and console widget ... May 07 18:14:44 http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=472048#post472048 May 07 18:14:51 now that is a mouse mat! May 07 18:15:24 CosmoHill: looks like cheap razr clones. May 07 18:15:43 the big mouce mat graeme is holding up? May 07 18:16:38 no, the lower ones. May 07 18:16:46 s/the lower ones/the mice below/ May 07 18:16:46 th0br0 meant: no, the mice below. May 07 18:17:40 the mice below below May 07 18:17:44 hopping on the grass the grass the grass May 07 18:18:45 http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3167.html May 07 18:18:48 * CosmoHill might get this May 07 18:19:02 but then again I look up shiny things I want but rarely buy :( May 07 19:08:48 Mh, the Centauris are cool. May 07 19:11:04 th0br0, the Narn Regime would disagree May 07 19:11:19 Well, their behaviour / pronunciation is cool. May 07 19:11:24 And I'm just 5 minutes into the series May 07 19:11:47 Skipping my task to write up some minor ide in qt. May 07 19:13:49 So who was / is some real stage actor in there? May 07 20:38:49 Hola. May 07 20:39:08 hello May 07 20:39:48 hmm. May 07 20:40:16 there seems to be a lot of open jobs in maemo/meego/qt -development May 07 20:42:00 where do you see that? May 07 20:43:29 thiago_home: because headhunters keep calling :) May 07 20:44:16 interesting May 07 20:44:20 that's good to know May 07 20:44:32 I haven't had a headhunter call in a while though May 07 20:44:42 me neither May 07 20:44:58 they started calling again around a month ago May 07 20:45:12 it's been silent for few years May 07 20:48:25 although, I'm not sure how the international situation is, but at least here in Finland we seem to have quite many companies in need of maemo/meego/qt -experts May 07 20:49:00 uh... yeah May 07 20:49:09 the country where Nokia is 3% of the GDP :-) May 07 20:49:21 yeah :) May 07 20:51:03 hey thiago_home May 07 20:51:15 hey CosmoHill May 07 20:51:50 programming assignment is done :) May 07 20:51:56 so I'm taking a night off May 07 20:55:51 thanks for you help btw :P) May 07 20:56:41 * :) May 07 20:59:43 I need NTP on my server :( May 07 21:01:12 hello guys. is there meego working snapshot with graphical environment available, yet? May 07 21:01:51 I'm really can't wait of it, and for now, after writting some qt4 app for it, I just could image how it is going to look May 07 21:04:25 Vladimiroff: not yet May 07 21:04:28 xterm is the GUI for now May 07 21:08:02 thiago_home: I see. Is there some guesses when we are be able to test the gui, or for now there is no such information provided? May 07 21:10:18 like I said, you can test your app now May 07 21:10:58 I think they mentioned the dates in the last TSG meeting May 07 21:11:01 take a look at the minutes May 07 21:12:51 okay May 07 21:13:06 lbt: Cool stuff on the OBS server May 07 21:13:11 :) May 07 21:15:34 * lbt still wonders what we should call MeeGo Universe.... and still likes Surrounds May 07 21:15:52 Da Hood May 07 21:15:55 MeegoVerse May 07 21:16:04 not to be confused with MeeGoFirst May 07 21:16:08 :P May 07 21:16:08 I did a haiku... May 07 21:17:03 We can agree now May 07 21:17:05 For Surrounds an eulogy May 07 21:17:06 No poetry here May 07 21:17:25 which kinda rules out MeeGo Verse May 07 21:17:52 although to insist on all changelogs being in haiku.... I like that idea May 07 21:18:57 OK, clearly no-one is drinkin May 07 21:18:58 g May 07 21:21:02 * CosmoHill has had a can of strongbow May 07 21:22:45 I only read the last line btw May 07 21:23:12 what? "g" May 07 21:23:38 the line before that May 07 21:23:46 g is just a character May 07 21:24:22 byez May 07 21:24:33 bye bye May 07 21:24:36 o/ May 07 21:25:58 * lbt wonders if the app-store application namespace is the same as the distro namespace May 07 21:26:12 distro package namespace that is May 07 21:38:07 oo i know May 07 21:38:14 lbt: call the OBS system zathras! May 07 21:38:17 :D:D:D May 07 21:38:28 zathras always building meego May 07 21:38:39 zathras try to build meego even though zathras see compile errors May 07 21:38:43 :P May 07 21:38:47 rofl May 07 21:39:11 * lbt goes into error code May 07 21:39:25 maemo was the one who was May 07 21:39:26 * CosmoHill reboots lbt May 07 21:39:29 moblin is the one who is May 07 21:39:34 meego is the one who will be May 07 21:39:48 swap moblin/maemo :) May 07 21:40:28 ;) May 07 21:43:02 wow May 07 21:43:06 i had forgotten May 07 21:43:08 how bad the pilot was May 07 21:44:10 heh... it had plenty of rough spots May 07 21:44:43 like loooots of aliens that didn't make it into the series May 07 21:44:59 like the planet of the apes dudes in the helmet hoodie things May 07 21:45:19 and a very scary Delenn May 07 21:45:30 i keep expecting Dr. Zaeus to pop out. :P May 07 21:45:34 yes May 07 21:45:45 with that red ring :P May 07 21:49:23 and that the name Satai should never be spoken of May 07 21:51:39 TSCHAKeee, you just invented a whole new computer paradigm May 07 21:52:37 lcuk: what's that? ;) May 07 21:52:55 that zathras front end - its a must have May 07 21:53:08 seriously - gcc-zathras would pwn all compilers May 07 21:53:18 yup May 07 21:53:29 gcc-draal? May 07 21:53:32 ;) May 07 21:53:41 should even work as clustered - cos all zathras can help May 07 21:53:46 great machine on epsilon 3 May 07 21:55:05 the draal-zathras distributed model of universe compiling May 07 21:55:36 nahhh theres already one of those, but its the dialect of the messages thats wrong. bifh is so terse and unhuman May 07 21:55:46 ditto obs/autobuilder May 07 21:58:55 it does feel like there is a Grey Council of sorts... May 07 21:58:59 :P May 07 22:27:03 nite all, sweet dreams May 07 23:44:54 cyas May 08 00:15:36 Hi May 08 00:17:17 Is it anybuddy here who can help me? How to install the MeeGo .usbimg ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 08 02:59:56 2010