**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 21 02:59:57 2010 May 21 06:07:56 does meego support ion yet? May 21 06:08:49 well, tell me a bit about the processor May 21 06:08:52 IA, ARM? May 21 06:10:39 i have a hp mini 311 May 21 06:11:14 he's talking about atom + nvidia GPU May 21 06:11:16 intel n270 with nvidia ion May 21 06:11:28 exactly May 21 06:11:31 instead of a GMA May 21 06:11:46 so right now it's only support GMA GPU? May 21 06:42:24 anybody know why repo.meego.com doesn't provide the debianizations for e.g. syslinux, only the upstream sources and binary packages? May 21 06:42:58 well, it is packages built against meego, which is rpm based.. May 21 06:43:25 surely not the tools? May 21 06:43:56 i'm talking about http://repo.meego.com/tools/repos/ubuntu/9.10/ and such May 21 06:44:08 ah May 21 06:44:10 sorry, should've been clearer May 21 06:44:25 well, file a bug if there's no deb version May 21 06:44:56 no, there is, but it's annoying because the binary package versioning scheme differs from ubuntu's, which causes apt to want to downgrade syslinux May 21 06:45:06 ah May 21 06:45:18 otoh, maybe that is a bug :p May 21 06:45:22 off to report May 21 06:46:27 yeah they're missing the epoch May 21 06:46:54 poutsi: otoh are you sure you need them? May 21 06:47:06 well, lucid's syslinux is too old May 21 06:47:09 ok May 21 06:47:20 (I find that weird though) May 21 06:47:27 debian testing has 3.86 May 21 06:47:33 i tried building from upstream with the older ubuntu debianizations but it wouldn't work May 21 06:47:38 though we didn't even freeze yet, but... May 21 06:47:46 yeah, lucid's is at 3.63 May 21 06:47:56 wow May 21 06:48:24 I guess you can report a bug on the tools, asking for the epoch to be added May 21 06:48:41 yep, and to provide source packages if possible May 21 06:48:54 source packages not being provided is a OBS bug May 21 06:48:57 we had same problem in Mer May 21 06:49:02 ahhh okay May 21 06:49:03 not malice, just bug :) May 21 06:49:09 it builds them and everything May 21 06:49:43 http://repo.meego.com/tools/repos/ubuntu/9.10/syslinux_3.85.orig.tar.gz May 21 06:49:49 the source seems available May 21 06:49:56 (not the dsc, but still) May 21 06:49:56 Corsac, yeah, but that's just the upstream source without the debianizations May 21 06:50:09 but yeah I agree May 21 06:50:24 that'd help provide patches against the packaging May 21 06:50:39 now is this an sdk bug or a dev tools bug :p May 21 06:51:20 dev tools I'd say May 21 06:56:25 there, #2357 May 21 08:29:17 morn slaine May 21 08:29:32 howdy howdy May 21 08:31:04 thinking of Meego: a quote seemed apropos May 21 08:31:07 Mal:"I don't plan on any shooting taking place during this job." Jayne:"Well, what you plan and what takes place ain't ever exactly been similar." May 21 09:21:17 I have a doubt regarding the meego official gstreamer source, I could find two separate meego gstreamer hostings, one is at repo.meego.com (contributed by mobilin) and other is on git repo (contributed by maemo). Which of these is used in meego platform? May 21 09:30:35 ttone: also ask on the -dev mailing list May 21 09:31:57 lbt, sure.. May 21 09:32:08 the repo's have http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/source/gstreamer-0.10.28-2.9.src.rpm May 21 09:34:26 slaine, these were contributed by mobilin, but the git repositories (contributed by maemo) are on older versions of gstreamer. Any idea which will be used in meego or will they be merged? May 21 09:36:55 ttone: sorry, I totally misread your question May 21 09:39:22 slaine, no problem May 21 09:40:03 so do you know that the version in the src rpm doesn't match the git repo ? May 21 09:42:39 slaine, it doen't match + the fixes/patches are different May 21 09:44:13 definitly a bug May 21 09:44:28 as lbt suggested, point it out on the -dev list and file a bugzilla entry May 21 09:44:51 at a guess, the rpms that are currently being used, will be the final versions May 21 09:45:16 so the gitorious repo's are probably wrong here ??? May 21 09:45:16 so, are they supposed to be matching? May 21 09:45:19 * lbt wonders what the policy is on this... May 21 09:45:33 it is a bit funky really May 21 09:45:39 Stskeeps: have you any ideas ? May 21 09:45:43 cos there's meego harmattan and meego moblin May 21 09:45:57 I thought that approach was canned ? May 21 09:46:02 slaine, using .28 as final may not fly with maemo folks, let me raise the issue there - looks like an oversight May 21 09:46:28 jusliukk: I hope we don't end up with different base os libs for netbook/handset May 21 09:46:47 slaine, that is definitely not the goal :( May 21 09:46:49 we don't have different gstreamer in meego/n900 for sure May 21 09:46:56 we use whatever is in trunk May 21 09:47:13 the hope is of course to try to stick with latest stable upstream, eventually May 21 09:47:17 otherwise we'll be right back where I said we'd be originally (MeeGo for Netbooks == Moblin 2.2++, Meego for Handsets == Harmattan++) May 21 09:48:07 slaine: I don't think the problem lies in harmatan++ May 21 09:48:21 ? May 21 09:48:27 I think that what lies after harmattan will be properly aligned. May 21 09:48:37 But for harmattan it is a bit more tricky. May 21 09:48:48 guys, if you find this kind of version mismatches, please bring them up here asap so we can try to synchronize still... May 21 09:49:18 jusliukk: I doubt there's time for that, meego1.0 for netbooks was branched weeks ago May 21 09:49:28 to be exact: meego 1.0 May 21 09:49:38 netbook is just a funky repo on top May 21 09:49:43 good May 21 09:49:45 there is always time, if there is the will ;) May 21 09:49:54 at least up until the release has been made May 21 09:50:04 so then, the issue here is that the git repo is not what's being used to make the src rpms ? May 21 09:50:12 right May 21 09:51:03 so is the rpm version pulled from the arm repo the same as the rpm pulled from the x86 repo ? May 21 09:51:23 If they're both the same, then it's hopefully just a gitorious oversight May 21 09:51:23 it should be, but the bi-weekly are out of sync atm May 21 09:51:40 same source, same rpm result May 21 09:51:43 Stskeeps: surely that'd only reflect minor versions May 21 09:52:02 slaine: bi-weekly for arm is stuck at 31st march, ia32 isn't May 21 09:52:18 I don't follow May 21 09:52:23 nm May 21 09:52:34 there's a bug in whatever syncs Trunk to public. May 21 09:52:58 the packages haven't been updated since the 31st publically, but the internal builds are mostly insync ? May 21 09:53:50 yes May 21 09:54:26 OBS doesn't do preferential treatment :) May 21 09:55:01 Item 121 on the glitch list from working behind curtains May 21 09:55:45 "ta da, look what we made" May 21 09:56:32 glitch list doesn't sound like a bad idea May 21 09:56:48 i mean, we are learning, nokia and intel and learning how these things affect open development May 21 09:56:54 it is a useful knowledge to have :) May 21 09:57:10 Like the papercuts list for Ubuntu ;) May 21 09:57:11 Put one on the wiki May 21 09:57:31 or make a presenation for the confernece May 21 09:57:39 "What did we learn from the big reveal process" May 21 09:57:40 :P May 21 09:58:31 "it sucks" May 21 09:58:33 oops May 21 09:58:34 * w00t_ hides May 21 09:58:56 So long as imad and valterri do it right and say "Ta daaaa" when 1.0 is unveiled, it'll be all worth while May 21 09:59:45 and it has a hello kitty theme, obviously May 21 10:00:04 OBS *can* do preferential treatment BTW May 21 10:00:14 sssh May 21 10:00:15 :P May 21 10:01:05 :D May 21 10:01:29 hello kitty? It's all worth it! May 21 10:04:58 lbt: http://breet.com/maemo/valentine.png :) May 21 10:05:09 We already had sweet themes before ;) May 21 10:05:30 any for the n900... Denise will be surprised! May 21 10:12:44 why can't we just ~flow~ with newer kernels May 21 10:13:22 being slow was very uncool for nokia 770 and N800 May 21 10:27:05 anybody know how to build a single package for MeeGo in PC with out going to chroot to image ? or How i can copy the src.rpm in general filesystem to chroot to build in chroot ? May 21 10:29:04 i have seen http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment related to building the MeeGo package in chroot but for me i am not able toaccess the src.rpm file general filesystem to copy into chroot May 21 10:31:52 cp it from outside the chroot into it, before chrooting, or bind mount an area from the parent filesystem into the chroot May 21 10:33:56 how can i do that is there any detailed procedure available ? May 21 10:37:55 ho can i cp it to chroot what is path to chroot May 21 10:37:56 ? May 21 10:38:22 you can use /parentroot to access your outside file system May 21 10:38:46 Vali: so May 21 10:38:52 in parentpath there is only home folder nothing is there... May 21 10:38:52 do you understand how your file system is shaped? May 21 10:39:15 not fully .. May 21 10:41:22 Stskeeps: hey, which packages are you poking these days in meego? May 21 10:41:39 i'm wondering if mxr.moego.org/meego/ has helped you yet May 21 10:48:20 ok now i have seen the mounting path /var/tmp of image now i will try once again May 21 11:00:46 StsKeeps : if iwas build any package through chroot in arm-image is it will build for ARM ( where the tool chains will be ?). May 21 11:01:05 they're native :) May 21 11:01:14 you're running the actual gcc May 21 11:01:59 you mean gcc for arm ? May 21 11:02:17 yes May 21 11:02:31 it is a bad development model but what existed back then May 21 11:04:45 sorry still i don't understand it is building for ARM or x86 ? May 21 11:04:52 building for arm May 21 11:04:58 ok May 21 11:05:27 means prmbuild is utilizing the gcc present in the ARM image right ? May 21 11:05:44 yes May 21 11:05:47 ok May 21 11:08:46 error : when i type rpmbuild -ba ~/rpmbuild/SPECS/ConsoleKit.spec it was saying that " bash: rpmbuild: command not found " May 21 11:09:01 really? May 21 11:09:05 yes May 21 11:09:12 in the chroot? May 21 11:09:19 bash-4.0# rpmbuild -ba ~/rpmbuild/SPECS/ConsoleKit.spec May 21 11:09:19 bash: rpmbuild: command not found May 21 11:09:21 yes May 21 11:10:01 what image are you using? May 21 11:11:35 i am chrooting in meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg May 21 11:11:37 ah May 21 11:12:06 is there any problem with that image ? May 21 11:12:08 you need to yum install rpmbuild and such then May 21 11:13:00 bash-4.0# yum install rpmbuildsh: line 1: 26181 Aborted /usr/bin/gconftool-2 -g /system/proxy/mode /system/proxy/autoconfig_url /system/http_proxy/host /system/http_proxy/port /system/proxy/secure_host /system/proxy/secure_port /system/proxy/ftp_host /system/proxy/ftp_port /system/proxy/socks_host /system/proxy/socks_port /system/http_proxy/ignore_hosts 2>&1 May 21 11:13:00 Setting up Install Process May 21 11:13:00 No package rpmbuild available. May 21 11:13:01 Nothing to do May 21 11:13:02 bash-4.0# May 21 11:13:22 it is showing error as show above May 21 11:14:20 sorry for above dump actually i tried to copy single line it juast copied entire May 21 11:14:31 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/meego-codedrop-ia32-developer-201003311106.img.bz2 May 21 11:14:40 try that one, after bzip2- -d'ing it May 21 11:14:49 bzip2 -d, that is May 21 11:45:02 ok May 21 13:06:35 * lbt likes "battery use" on the android May 21 13:12:28 * Corsac agrees May 21 13:12:38 (not sure how much it's accurate though) May 21 13:14:09 * lbt sneaks a look at the code... "system_use = system_use/2; foreach app app.distribute_missing_power();" May 21 13:55:06 * slaine wonders if a release is imminent. May 21 13:55:44 they'll probably introduce fremantle PR1.2, meego 1.0, handset UX, duke nukem forever and flash 10 for maemo5 in one week May 21 13:55:56 10.1 May 21 13:56:05 and all the people on talk.maemo.org will have a heartattack May 21 13:56:11 lol May 21 13:56:28 and I can meego it up at a bbq this weekend May 21 14:12:09 Stskeeps: and deliver my pandora May 21 14:17:41 and then you open it :) May 21 15:48:34 * Jartza is trying to shake the channel awake May 21 15:49:58 shhh Jartza we are playing pacman on google.com frontpage May 21 15:50:32 right on, sry :) May 21 16:02:46 * achipa wonders how many man-centuries of IT sector productivity did goodle destroy today :D May 21 16:06:44 achipa, theres probably stats for that. luckily i did a lot of work before even finding out about it May 21 17:07:05 * slaine yawns and stretches May 21 17:09:14 indeed May 21 17:09:47 A good productive day for once May 21 17:15:50 is it possible to trigger hal events via a commandline tool to test some code ? May 21 17:15:58 * slaine goes googling May 21 20:09:17 hi May 21 20:41:07 fyi http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-102-5/index.html May 21 20:41:19 (learn rpm/yum) May 21 20:41:24 oh just going to ask May 21 20:41:25 ty May 22 01:06:41 how do i change my keyboard layout? :o also does wpasupplicant work? i.e. will i be able to connect to a wlan using the terminal? :) May 22 01:37:25 Ah got the keyboard layout :) and since theres a wpa supplicant im just going to assume it works :D May 22 01:38:11 since i can successfully use iwlist scan it should \o/ May 22 01:39:19 Hmmm but updating does not work :( i always get IO Errors :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 22 02:59:57 2010