**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 02 02:59:57 2010 Jun 02 03:02:12 use mx? Jun 02 03:07:56 arjan, which yum repo? Jun 02 06:19:33 my fecesbook chat is not working on meego "people" thing Jun 02 06:32:26 is zypper available for use in 1.0? i notice the source is available in repo.m.o Jun 02 06:33:01 hm, should be Jun 02 06:33:54 ok, now to find a spare machine to install properly on to really test it Jun 02 06:35:33 is there a doc/guide on what packages have changed since moblin 2.1? Jun 02 06:35:54 i need to update/build MeeGo for openSUSE Jun 02 06:37:27 not sure, but i think it's safe to assume a lot of things have been turned upside down Jun 02 06:42:12 what are those core.number files in ~/ Jun 02 07:41:56 morning Jun 02 07:54:11 Hi ! Jun 02 08:42:01 Morninga lll. Jun 02 08:50:38 That meego tablet stuff looks good Jun 02 08:51:13 hopefully a new UX thing i guess Jun 02 08:51:40 They all have UX teams I gather Jun 02 08:52:08 that would also I assume be using upto date iegd Jun 02 08:52:09 I'd buy it if it was in the shops today & I was looking for a netbook or similar Jun 02 08:52:21 but it's gonna look pretty dated pretty soon Jun 02 08:52:33 poutsi: it's pre-alpha Jun 02 08:52:39 that's just the thing Jun 02 08:52:47 I'm sure there's plenty of scope for change Jun 02 08:52:55 well that too, yeah Jun 02 08:53:05 moin Jun 02 08:53:09 you can't expect to see the same UX Jun 02 08:53:13 they are very different devices Jun 02 08:54:03 slate is touch-only, netbooks have touchpads and keyboards Jun 02 08:54:13 and they have USB ports or bluetooth to talk to mice Jun 02 08:54:33 some handsets will be touch-only, others will have keyboards Jun 02 08:54:51 TVs won't have touch or keyboard Jun 02 08:55:36 my point was exactly that for something that you can't buy today but have to wait for, i'd've hoped for something a bit wilder Jun 02 08:55:56 i guess tv's mostly 'focus' and shortcuts Jun 02 08:56:01 it isn't wild enough for you? Jun 02 08:56:06 what did you expect? 3D holograms? Jun 02 08:56:06 well.. Jun 02 08:56:12 well why not Jun 02 08:56:15 hey thiago , Stskeeps Jun 02 08:56:17 well obviously not that Jun 02 08:56:19 hey sivang Jun 02 08:56:20 but still Jun 02 08:56:33 3D UI, that's not so far-fetched Jun 02 08:56:54 I'd say I'm properly impressed by the work Jun 02 08:57:06 not that I don't trust our technology, but it's always nice to see it put to good use Jun 02 08:57:29 as for 3D UI, we have research projects going on. I currently have no idea what designers will use 3D for, but there will be 3D sometime soon. Jun 02 08:57:31 yeah, me too, definitely, I'm not talking down to anyone here Jun 02 08:57:34 see the qt-3d project Jun 02 08:57:43 yep, I've played with it :) Jun 02 08:57:58 including the QML integration? Jun 02 08:58:13 they have that already? Jun 02 08:58:32 I talked to some qt guy a month ago and that seemed pretty far-off then Jun 02 08:58:45 forget who it was Jun 02 08:59:27 but if you have pointers, please do tell :) Jun 02 09:03:07 look at that, there's a bunch of stuff and i missed all of it Jun 02 09:03:23 totally got the wrong impression then it seems Jun 02 09:09:45 HI there Jun 02 09:10:01 somebody knows why download.meego.com is too slow ? Jun 02 09:13:23 * thiago guesses it's slashdotted Jun 02 09:15:47 orning Jun 02 09:15:51 *morning Jun 02 09:16:30 i've been playing with qt scenegraph for a while now ("2.5D" built on top of qt3d) Jun 02 09:16:39 i'm following http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox and now i've the problem with init scripts: "log_action_begin_msg command not found" where could i find 'em? Jun 02 09:17:45 seems quite nice and done in a more correct way from gpu utilization perspective than current qgv + qpainter Jun 02 09:18:29 based on google results it should be already resolved in dkms... Jun 02 09:57:57 gour: this is a bash script used to create log entries, AFAIR Jun 02 09:58:16 gour: odd that its' missing though, if the distro is running wihtout VBox Jun 02 09:58:54 gour: I wonder what could make it miss Jun 02 09:59:10 sivang: me too... all the other steps went ok Jun 02 09:59:32 i've put my notes at http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox Jun 02 10:01:29 however, it is (still) not clear from the wiki page whether the procedure is meant to have working meego ui under vm Jun 02 10:03:18 gour, define working.. Jun 02 10:03:44 sx0n: that one can try meego as end-user Jun 02 10:03:49 no Jun 02 10:04:16 sx0n: why no meego dev say it explicitly? Jun 02 10:04:17 meego requires opengl and that is not supported in vm Jun 02 10:05:19 vbox/qemu thread on the forums has >7000 vies and, as tr00don member wrote: "It is interesting to note that, while the Meego project is largely managed by Intel, no Intel Meego developer has stepped forward to discuss and clarify these issues.", it's quite disappointing attitude Jun 02 10:06:49 jarkko^, not to mention hopefully abstracting OpenGL away from the app dev Jun 02 10:10:06 sx0n: vbox has support for opengl and moblin was working under vm Jun 02 10:11:20 sx0n: changelog for 3.2 says: "3D support: added OpenGL 2.1 support " Jun 02 10:11:52 gour, yes, i know, but i think that is only wishful thinking that it would work for "end-user" as it is working on hw. Jun 02 10:12:45 sx0n: isn't it stupid that i cannot develop with i7/8GB machinem but it's expected to use 1024x600/1G netbook? Jun 02 10:13:31 sx0n: it's quite limiting and many users are pissed...even thinking about geemo fork Jun 02 10:13:46 gour, until i see screenshot it does not exist for end-user ;) Jun 02 10:14:09 sx0n, screenshot of meego ? Jun 02 10:14:22 sx0n, i can send some if you want :) Jun 02 10:14:33 i ve a Jun 02 10:14:44 meego netbook running on a samsung n130 :) Jun 02 10:15:34 even if having netbok capable to run meego, i'd develop using desktop machine... Jun 02 10:20:10 Khertan, i meant on a virtual box Jun 02 10:20:20 :) Jun 02 10:54:55 sx0n, what kind of SS would you wan't? OpenGL software running in VM? Jun 02 10:57:58 meego notebook ux running in vm Jun 02 10:58:24 vbox preferably Jun 02 10:58:37 ah Jun 02 11:02:45 poutsi: true and it seems that qt3d based implementation would also make it easy to mix-in raw opengl if wanted Jun 02 11:15:33 hi Jun 02 11:15:56 i'm new to meego, how do i switch off or logout? Jun 02 11:16:56 fosco_: iirc (i do not own meego-capable device), you can only press power-off on your machine and then you'll see dialog popping up Jun 02 11:18:56 ok, i come fromubuntu and expected some kind of menu :) Jun 02 11:19:12 heh, not without a reason ;) Jun 02 11:19:24 does it work? Jun 02 11:20:49 it did on my laptop at least Jun 02 11:20:56 yep, but liveUSB does not save my preferences Jun 02 11:21:12 ummm... Jun 02 11:22:06 maybe i need a hard disk install Jun 02 11:23:02 my only option for meego atm is VM (vbox), but it does not deliver much... Jun 02 11:23:56 gour1, install a working *unix system in the VM and then install the SDK in there, maybe that would work Jun 02 11:24:58 Vortiago: i already have working linux system (x86_64)...what would be different under VM? Jun 02 11:25:29 Dunno, why can't you use the SDK? Jun 02 11:27:11 Vortiago: no intel graphic card Jun 02 11:27:39 ah Jun 02 11:27:43 no wait Jun 02 11:28:02 I got the SDK running on a linux box that got an ATI card and a CPU without SSSE3 Jun 02 11:29:05 is the only place to get tarballs the srpms on repo.m.c? Jun 02 11:39:43 hi all, quick question.. is the full MeeGo (eg including graphical desktop) available for N900? Jun 02 11:39:52 not yet Jun 02 11:40:41 cheers for that.. any update as to when they expect this? Jun 02 11:41:48 troozers, june is when the first handset ux release is due to happen, but it is unlikely to be very usable or close to complete Jun 02 11:42:15 no prob, many thanks for the heads up :) Jun 02 12:16:08 Vortiago: but you cannot run opengl apps? Jun 02 12:19:07 gour, the SDK works with UI and everything on my linux box. Jun 02 12:19:19 If that's what you're wondering Jun 02 12:19:43 And that was with a ATI gfx card and a intel T2050 that doesn't have ssse3 Jun 02 12:19:54 hmm...i realy curious how you did it Jun 02 12:20:59 http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux <-- Followed that :P Jun 02 12:21:05 Vortiago: here it is clearly stated - http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Pre-requisites Jun 02 12:21:24 yup Jun 02 12:21:36 lo sjgadsby Jun 02 12:21:52 Hi, Stskeeps. Jun 02 12:22:45 Vortiago: strange...i may try it, although i already spent too much time in futile VM attempts Jun 02 12:24:34 arjan, ping ? Jun 02 12:27:08 lo, sjgadsby Jun 02 12:33:11 Should the prereqs listed here: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Pre-requisites be updated since they're not correct? Proof: http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1176/40337831.png Jun 02 12:34:16 have you documented how you got that working? iirc there's a lot of people that would probably find that useful Jun 02 12:34:38 but yes, if it's wrong, correct it.. it's a wiki, after all Jun 02 12:34:40 w00t_, all I did was using the guideline in the wiki Jun 02 12:34:50 Didn't do anything else >-< Jun 02 12:37:02 Hi, w00t_. Jun 02 12:43:15 it's strange that the basic document is wrong... Jun 02 12:43:32 people are human.. :P Jun 02 12:44:52 that's true, but it is one of the most important doc Jun 02 12:45:32 if meego devs do not know what are reqs... Jun 02 13:02:00 hello, i was wondering is there a help section here for installing meego? or is it the normal help channel Jun 02 13:03:30 GkNs, have you checked http://help.meego.com/ Jun 02 13:04:51 yeah but i is more about the program i that is adviced for creating bootable USB, Disk imager Jun 02 13:05:07 it is * Jun 02 13:05:32 ok… that is not so familiar to me either, don't know if there is existing help somewhere Jun 02 13:05:35 The problem i'm having is that the program keeps giving me a error 8 Jun 02 13:05:43 that's informative :) Jun 02 13:06:24 please wait i'll qout what it says Jun 02 13:07:26 "an error occured when attempting to get a handle on the file" error 8 Jun 02 13:08:19 so i'm wondering is this because of the .img i got from meego or is it the program Jun 02 13:09:27 GkNs, is this on linux? or are you using the win32-image-writer? Jun 02 13:09:54 win32 (sorry, i should have said i'm a windows user) Jun 02 13:10:31 ok, search for "error 8" in http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image Jun 02 13:10:41 that's all i know of the windows version, sorry :) Jun 02 13:15:38 thanks for the site but i cannot find anything on there, anyone else know a great program for creating bootable usb using image files? Jun 02 13:18:52 GkNs, in the site there is a response: "I've got the same error message. Jun 02 13:18:52 Then I found that the file explorer is focusing on the usb drive. Jun 02 13:18:52 After I close the file explorer and try again, Jun 02 13:18:52 it work fine and write the image to the usb drive." Jun 02 13:19:20 I haven't used windowses in years so i have no clue what that means, but at least that's what they say :) Jun 02 13:19:54 GkNs: If you don't get it figured out, can you post something in the forum? http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6 Jun 02 13:21:30 i think i have to close all windows exxept for the disk imager thanks.. Jun 02 13:29:45 i friend of mine gave me an other version of Disk Imager problem solved Jun 02 13:29:55 Thanks for your help. Jun 02 14:03:44 * gour installed sdk to check whether it works Jun 02 14:04:02 does it? Jun 02 14:06:35 yes it DOES!!! Jun 02 14:06:39 incredible Jun 02 14:06:40 OMG Jun 02 14:06:44 wow Jun 02 14:06:46 software that works Jun 02 14:06:48 what a concept Jun 02 14:06:49 Ponies and all Jun 02 14:07:03 such a blunder to state one needs intel graphic Jun 02 14:07:20 gour: VBox ? Jun 02 14:07:25 * gour *blushes* for meego devs puttint startup doc together Jun 02 14:07:30 sivang: no, sdk Jun 02 14:08:01 gour: btw you did try chmod a+s /usr/bin/Xorg right? Jun 02 14:08:04 Vortiago: you're right ;) Jun 02 14:08:09 without intel graphics, X needs to run as root Jun 02 14:08:22 arjan, are you a maintainer of kernel-source.git ? are you working on a new kernel policy ? I have some feedback/ideas to see if they concur with any future approach, also can you tag up the kernel-source.git with each meego RPM release Jun 02 14:08:43 tagging is interesting Jun 02 14:08:50 but yeah I'm currently the kernel maintainer Jun 02 14:09:07 arjan: no, i didn't try...running sdk via sudo, but why is starting guide so misleading? Jun 02 14:09:22 gour: no idea, I have not paid (enough) attention to the sdk Jun 02 14:09:41 odin_: the hard part is with OBS; it can rebuild a kernel for other reasons than a kernel package change (say a new compiler) Jun 02 14:09:54 odin_: getting such builds tagged is... an interesting chalenge Jun 02 14:10:10 Nice gour :) Jun 02 14:10:13 arjan: it clearly says: A compatible Intel graphics chipset: GMA-500, Nvidia, and ATI chipsets are not supported Jun 02 14:10:58 arjan, you need to seperate "logical releases (product releases driven by sales marketing)" from version number changes, they are different kind of releases, a compiler change is a work-in-progress towards the next "product release" Jun 02 14:11:00 gour: for the OS that is a correct statement Jun 02 14:11:18 odin_: agreed that tagging what is shipped is an easier, manual process Jun 02 14:11:33 but I'd really want each build tagged Jun 02 14:11:40 arjan: it's stated in http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Pre-requisites Jun 02 14:12:26 gour: it looks like a cut-n-paste from the OS requirements Jun 02 14:13:01 arjan: this is irresponsible...one would expect some more QA here Jun 02 14:13:08 * w00t_ sighs Jun 02 14:13:21 arjan, I wouldn't have an opinion on it (a polite way of saying "I don't care" for that), as the "source" of the project itself has not changed ? only a dependency used to build it has, so it would be a -2 or -3 revision of the same major tag Jun 02 14:14:16 so for example version v1.10.95 is out, then there is a compiler change, the RPM becomes v1.10.95-2 or something like that but its still based on git tag v1.10.95 Jun 02 14:15:23 arjan: removed gfx from the SDK requirements, thanks for confirming Jun 02 14:15:52 Does QtCreator work properly on 1024x600 now ? Jun 02 14:15:53 arjan: i run sdk with 4755 on Xorg, not a+s Jun 02 14:16:25 slaine: #qt-creator might be the people to talk to Jun 02 14:19:54 to show an example is this in action, take Fedora12 and its kernel, "kernel-2.6.32.11-99.fc12.x86_64" it has -99 and this often goes up, that maybe because of source code changes, or maybe because of compiler/dependency changes, everytime it goes to build server for release (not testing) that number get bumped Jun 02 14:24:19 odin_: yup that's called "release" in rpm terms Jun 02 14:24:40 and each build can be either code changes or other changes Jun 02 14:27:57 does OBS make every build a "general release" meaning it gets a version bump and ends up in the same release dir at the last release ? or does it do "continious integration builds" on the basis of "testing" so the releases are not considered "general release" but more like "nightly"/"snapshot"/"testing" Jun 02 14:29:09 only when a package maintainer says so does a general release build happen, or when a "MeeGo wide distribution" maintainer calls for it (so a compiler change between 1.0 and 1.1 releases, everything might get at least one bump) Jun 02 14:30:20 argh! Meego say's me: Report size exceeded the quota. Please check system's MaxCrashReportsSize value in abrt.conf Jun 02 14:30:40 the version field is the upstream kernel version Jun 02 14:30:51 the release field is bumped by OBS every time the package gets build Jun 02 14:31:31 I am saying "built for the purpose of making a release" rather than "built for the purpose of continuous integration testing" Jun 02 14:32:05 you're assuming that there's a difference ahead of time Jun 02 14:32:06 something that was once built for continuous integration then given the all clear to be releases, can get promoted to being the release Jun 02 14:32:13 nope Jun 02 14:32:39 yeah but then you need to tag retroactively Jun 02 14:33:14 git can do that Jun 02 14:33:26 sometimes empathy crash just because there is no network.. Jun 02 14:33:55 checkout to the commit-id, and add the tag ? if the OBS knows this project it built from git, then it should/will track the last commit-id for the checkout Jun 02 14:34:18 are you there Jun 02 14:34:54 so whatever process is in place to promote from "continious integration build" to " production release build" can be made to understand how to deal with git base projects, part of the process it to add the tag or revalidate the existing tag is exactly the same (if it already exist) Jun 02 14:39:13 meego are u there Jun 02 14:39:19 yes meego is here Jun 02 14:39:37 hmm, just installed qt-creator, it says examples aren't installed on the front page, but qt-examples is installed Jun 02 14:39:45 is it referring to something else ? Jun 02 14:43:07 meego please have been trying to join you for some days now, but to no avail Jun 02 14:43:17 erm.. what? :) Jun 02 14:43:21 lol Jun 02 14:43:40 if you're trying to say you've been trying to talk to the meego community, you are Jun 02 14:43:41 :D Jun 02 14:43:48 if you're trying to talk to meego the person.. they don't exist :-P Jun 02 14:44:28 why? is meego not around Jun 02 14:44:31 I'm your a-meego Guest89619! :D Jun 02 14:44:59 termana from where Jun 02 14:44:59 we are all ameegos here Jun 02 14:45:44 so if am charting with you am also ameegos? Jun 02 14:46:40 my name is life Jun 02 14:46:45 charting with us? Sounds like a sailing trip. YARR ME HARTIES Jun 02 14:47:39 slaine /usr/lib/qt4/ for demo and example. is that you search for ? Jun 02 14:47:48 Guest89619, walk the plank! Jun 02 14:48:19 koupsaa: no, I'm just commenting that the qt-creator UI claims there's no exmaples, but the qt-examples rpm is installed Jun 02 14:48:27 This is on a meego1.0 for netbooks install Jun 02 14:49:14 slaine, ok i understand. strange it's work for me on meego... Jun 02 14:50:06 * odin_ wonders why Nokia content copier, is so slow, over an hour to use it to restore contacts, from a 2.2Gb image Jun 02 14:51:31 I guess Guest89619 drowned Jun 02 14:56:42 an once my contacts restore was done, the contact I know should be in there isn't, how damn annoying Jun 02 15:22:18 Good morning. Jun 02 15:23:38 I have being playing with meego in a Dell mini 9 and apart from a few glitches (grub failing to install, missing wifi driver, chromium slow down to input events) all easily fixed, I'm having a good experience with it. Jun 02 15:24:06 I'm just wondering if there is a schedule to Qt mobility bearer module being ported to connman? Jun 02 15:24:34 From d-feet, I inspected that connman already exposes what it is necessary using a dbus interface. Jun 02 15:24:49 Any comments about this? :-) Jun 02 15:27:50 Savago: which chip is in wifi? i'm thinking about inspiron 1012 Jun 02 15:29:22 gour, Broadcom IIRC. Jun 02 15:29:45 Savago: so, no working driver (yet)? Jun 02 15:30:11 gour, is just a matter of downloading the tarball with the driver code, yum install development packages and compile install. Jun 02 15:30:23 Savago: ahh, cool Jun 02 15:30:28 If you google for it, you will find detailed instructions about how to do it. Jun 02 15:30:30 ;-) Jun 02 15:31:11 right...i remember some page linked from wiki Jun 02 15:36:48 slaine.org Jun 02 15:37:13 gour: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html Jun 02 15:37:24 slaine: thanks Jun 02 15:40:48 slaine: thanks very much for getting those instructions up, a godsend to newbies like myself :-) Do you have any issues with networks not being detected automatically on startup? I always have to disable and re-enable wireless to get a connection Jun 02 15:41:23 yes, I have that issue too Jun 02 15:41:31 other people seem to have it too Jun 02 15:41:39 with other drivers Jun 02 15:42:43 ah okay. Its no real problem, just wanted to see if it was just me! but yeah thanks very much :-) Jun 02 16:41:27 Hey i'm back and now i took a look at the site and forum still no answer, so here it is; is it possible to dualboot with vista / seven ? Jun 02 16:44:20 you probably can but I think you'd need to edit the boot menu by hand Jun 02 17:28:51 thiago, ping? Jun 02 17:29:14 MeeGo Community Applications Testing Meeting (17:30 UTC, in 1 minute) on #meego-meeting Jun 02 17:29:26 Savago: pong Jun 02 17:29:44 any comments on the subject below: Jun 02 17:30:02 I'm just wondering if there is a schedule to Qt mobility bearer module being ported to connman? Jun 02 17:30:02 From d-feet, I inspected that connman already exposes what it is necessary using a dbus interface. Jun 02 17:30:22 it will happen Jun 02 17:30:24 I just don't know when Jun 02 17:30:41 we need someone to do it and we have none available yet Jun 02 17:31:36 thiago, you imagine that it would probably use the d-bus interface of connman or would follow another approach to tackle the problem? Jun 02 17:35:36 probably use the D-Bus interface Jun 02 17:35:41 that's what the ICD backend does Jun 02 17:41:45 BTW, we have a lot of unanswered user questions in the netbook forum. I have a page where we're triaging unanswered questions if anyone wants to help out (we can use help from technical and non-technical people): http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=458 Jun 02 17:44:32 morning all Jun 02 17:46:18 DawnFoster: Jun 02 17:46:27 DawnFoster: oops, pressed enter too soon :-) Jun 02 17:46:30 hey thiago Jun 02 17:46:33 DawnFoster: hi Jun 02 17:46:50 DawnFoster: was linuxcon one of the conferences that you were planning a MeeGo presence in? Jun 02 17:47:38 We have a couple of presentations scheduled for LinuxCon Boston (and some other LinuxCons in other cities), but nothing big planned Jun 02 17:48:28 * w00t_ wanders back in Jun 02 17:48:44 DawnFoster: ok then Jun 02 17:49:09 DawnFoster: I've got a volunteer to go to Boston and I'm wondering if that's one of those we're focusing on Jun 02 17:49:37 thaigo: we could talk about it if we wanted to do something more, but I'm not sure how many people from the MeeGo project are attending LinuxCon Jun 02 17:49:58 no, I don't think it's a big deal then Jun 02 17:50:09 we'll send someone if there's budget Jun 02 17:50:27 we've got plenty of important conferences in the second half of the year Jun 02 17:51:04 Nokia Developer World/Summit (same week as IDF), Qt Dev Days MUC, Qt Dev Days SFO, Symbian Exchange (SEE) and MeeGo Conference Jun 02 17:51:08 the latter two in the same week Jun 02 17:52:05 I think the Sybian conference was moved to the week before the meego conf? (heard rumor, but I haven't confirmed it). Jun 02 17:52:15 the week before is Dev Days SFO Jun 02 17:52:19 I don't think they'll move there Jun 02 17:52:49 anyway, I only heard today about SEE's date Jun 02 17:53:01 There are so many events in the fall. We're focusing mostly on IDF/Nokia World & the MeeGo Conference from my side. Jun 02 17:53:03 hey DawnFoster and thiago Jun 02 17:53:10 hey CosmoHill Jun 02 17:53:14 hi Cosmo Jun 02 17:53:57 * thiago got tasked to find out who we can send to 5 conferences in 8 weeks Jun 02 17:54:11 I don't know if anyone from our side is going to IDF (it's not on my table) Jun 02 17:54:59 thiago: "pick me pick me!" in the office? Jun 02 17:55:22 DawnFoster: actually, SEE and meegoconf are on different weeks Jun 02 17:55:26 I had the wrong date for meegoconf Jun 02 17:55:32 * w00t_ would really *not* be volunteering for more travel this year right now. Jun 02 17:55:34 * thiago updates his schedule Jun 02 17:55:42 I'm going to be doing like 5 countries in the next few months Jun 02 17:57:49 so 5 conferences in 9 weeks Jun 02 17:58:05 Tm_T: there are people volunteering, but we also need to work, you know? Jun 02 17:58:06 :-) Jun 02 17:58:36 so now I have to figure out a way to not burn out anyone, but also ensure that there's continuity in the work Jun 02 17:59:49 thiago: fun times, eh? Jun 02 18:00:05 yup Jun 02 18:00:33 I still need to work out when I'm going to oslo Jun 02 18:00:45 I should really do that soon before getting there ends up costing me a packet Jun 02 18:01:28 * thiago also needs to renew his visa this week Jun 02 18:02:28 hello Jun 02 18:03:04 Meego runs on a dual core? Jun 02 18:03:16 x86_64 Jun 02 18:03:37 DawnFoster: another subject: do you know if we have got the Qt Labs blogs aggregated in the planet? Jun 02 18:04:12 eexeZ: yes. However, MeeGo is compiled for Core2-and-up in 32-bit mode. Jun 02 18:04:14 they didn't have any meego-specific posts the last time I checked. Also, we're making changes to the planet Jun 02 18:04:21 DawnFoster: right, there are no posts Jun 02 18:04:28 I will probably post the first tomorrow Jun 02 18:04:41 as a policy, we aren't adding feeds with zero posts :) Jun 02 18:04:53 understood Jun 02 18:04:54 hmm 32 bit mode ..... Jun 02 18:04:55 ping me again when you have a post & we'll add it. Jun 02 18:04:59 I'll ping you tomorrow when I have blogged Jun 02 18:22:35 DawnFoster: you busy? Jun 02 18:22:51 we're discussing how to get testers involved in the community in m-meeting Jun 02 18:23:15 hmm, linux supports my webcam and serial adapter better than windows 7 64bit Jun 02 18:25:48 Does anybody knows how to configure wireless on meego? Jun 02 18:26:45 amaurymedeiros, I guess this will help you http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html Jun 02 18:27:10 Has anybody got meego working on a HP netbook? Jun 02 18:27:19 dzeban, ty. I will take a look. Jun 02 18:29:20 Guest34718, you should see mailing list. I remember some talks about HP netbooks and meego Jun 02 18:30:05 i have it on a compaq mini (basically same thing) Jun 02 18:30:37 Okay I am gonna do that Jun 02 18:31:11 Clay, do you have an AMD processor? And do you have a Broadcom adapter by any chance? Jun 02 18:31:47 no amd, but yes broadcom Jun 02 18:33:05 Alright, pleased to hear, is it working fine with the broadcom wireless? Jun 02 18:35:10 yes, using slaine's driver Jun 02 18:39:09 Okay, thank you, you see; I am gonna try to boot it on my compaq 6735b, but I have had problems on linux distros with getting the WiFi to work Jun 02 19:02:42 Guest34718: hi Jun 02 19:02:47 you can't run meego on an AMD processor Jun 02 19:03:06 hi, I'm trying to run the simulator but all I get is a black window. I'm getting some errors in the terminal, such as "(mutter:13210): mutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter". Any hint? Jun 02 19:03:06 Really Jun 02 19:03:26 sivang: yep Jun 02 19:03:37 :( Jun 02 19:03:41 Well, sigh! But that's ok I guess I will just wait for some support Jun 02 19:04:01 well, sivang, there is a desire to hook up with you guys Jun 02 19:04:02 Or just get a netbook altogether - HP BIOS are horrible Jun 02 19:04:13 indeed Jun 02 19:04:24 I can't flash my HP BIOS with the OEM one :( Jun 02 19:04:31 essentially QA and test automation is included in the scope of this piece of work Jun 02 19:04:41 lbt: application community support, that is? Jun 02 19:04:45 lbt: good to hear. Jun 02 19:04:52 Guest34718: meego requires a processor with SSSE3 support which AMD don't have Jun 02 19:04:53 yes Jun 02 19:04:57 err, community application support :) Jun 02 19:05:04 the switch of the wording is crucial here Jun 02 19:05:26 it always has been a key element.... have a browse through the logs and see what was covered Jun 02 19:05:45 http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-06-02-17.33.log.html Jun 02 19:05:49 lbt: okay I will after I've came back from the grocery store, thanks lbt for point that out! Jun 02 19:06:11 np ... l8r Jun 02 19:06:13 CosmoHill: I've been wondering what is achieved by this optimisation Jun 02 19:06:19 lbt: l8ters Jun 02 19:06:21 Guest34718: If you're looking for a netbook OS that is a bit more 'fleshed out' in the support department then try UNR. In it's early stages, MeeGo pretty much only functions on a stock netbook configurations and will likely have problems on any other hardware set-up. Jun 02 19:07:00 Guest34718: That said, netbooks are awesome. Jun 02 19:07:14 Alright, thanks. I am generally looking for just about any alternative to what I currently have to put up with (school gave me a discount pc with vista and HP Bios...) Jun 02 19:07:20 Tm_T: a cynic may say ... no AMD or older Intel systems can use MeeGo... I, of course, couldn't agree with that ;) Jun 02 19:08:08 s/came/come/ Jun 02 19:08:09 lbt: ye, to weed out the not (yet) supported platforms, perfect reason Jun 02 19:08:23 Guest34718: I own an Asus N10J and I couldn't be happier with it. Although it's an early model and you probably want something with a more updated Atom processor. Jun 02 19:09:02 Guest34718: I would like to note that the one I bought had a dedicated GPU (nvidia). So you may want to look into that if you want to experience some gaming. Jun 02 19:09:59 lbt: ping Jun 02 19:10:04 o/ timeless_mbp Jun 02 19:10:19 tyler__: no luck with nvidia yet Jun 02 19:10:32 lbt: we spoke earlier this week, right? Jun 02 19:10:42 at lunch Jun 02 19:10:47 yesterday Jun 02 19:10:49 i'm trying to address that issue now, but to do that, i'd like to borrow your text Jun 02 19:10:50 I think I have to recompole x11 after installing the nvidia driver Jun 02 19:11:02 and that requires a hell of a lot of dependances and then fails to compile Jun 02 19:11:08 CosmoHill: I haven't gotten around to trying to install the drivers on MeeGo. Been meaning to try my hand at it this weekend. Jun 02 19:11:18 here's an "a" to start you off... Jun 02 19:11:22 hehe Jun 02 19:11:28 tyler__: can you get meego into the UI with vesa? Jun 02 19:12:08 timeless_mbp: what was the problem again? I've been swamped Jun 02 19:12:10 CosmoHill: I haven't tried that either. I installed it when I had Intel Graphics hard-switched on. Jun 02 19:12:38 ah you have two graphics chips, I only have one Nvidia Jun 02 19:13:20 Yeah, the netbook I bought came with a dedicated GPU and integrated intel graphics. Jun 02 19:13:30 And you could switch between the two. Jun 02 19:13:51 netbook with two GPUs? sounds more like a sub-netbook Jun 02 19:13:55 *notebook Jun 02 19:14:07 The things actually pretty powerful. I was able to get Call of Duty 4 (demo version) running on the Windows partition before I deleted it. Jun 02 19:14:35 Yeah, I think it was marketed as a notebook actually. But the hardware configuration matches a stock netbook with a GPU thrown in. Jun 02 19:14:50 hmm, 2.7GB left, can I install UT2004 on redhat Jun 02 19:14:54 Atom processor, 10 inch screen, 2 gb ram, etc, etc.. Jun 02 19:15:11 any rpm devs here? rpm packaging question : should a src.rpm contain multiple files : a tarball and a collection of patch files ? Jun 02 19:15:20 yes Jun 02 19:15:37 What I have been doing so far is dual booting Fedora 13 and MeeGo. (with the F13 partition for gaming) Jun 02 19:15:37 a src.rpm contains the spec file and all the files required to build it Jun 02 19:15:41 tarballs and patches normally Jun 02 19:16:13 CosmoHill: Like debian source packages Jun 02 19:16:18 I haven't played proper PC games for years Jun 02 19:17:02 I'm a college student so I like to blow off steam in between classes with gaming. Jun 02 19:17:13 the .src.rpm contains the pristine sources + patches Jun 02 19:17:48 so is it reasonable to say "the tarball should not contain symlinks that reference outside the tarball root directory" Jun 02 19:18:18 Would be nice if I could drop to a root shell, wget the driver, and compile the source but from what you're saying.. it wouldn't be like that easy. Jun 02 19:18:51 tyler__: I've been trying init 3 Jun 02 19:19:02 I boot the computer into init 3 so it's command line only Jun 02 19:19:16 it seems like when ever i try to run zypper it just hangs :\ Jun 02 19:19:19 problem I have is that meego doesn't use a xorg.conf file Jun 02 19:19:42 Lol. Jun 02 19:20:33 but the biggest problem is that I'm just not used to using linux with a GUI Jun 02 19:20:49 I'm still surpriced when I log into redhat and my background has changed Jun 02 19:21:59 I'm relatively inexperienced with Linux - even though I've been using it for four years. Jun 02 19:22:29 I can build a basic linux from source but I've never borthered with a GUI Jun 02 19:22:51 So, what... are you like a SysAdmin or something? Jun 02 19:22:51 well I once have XCFE running on Xfree86 Jun 02 19:23:05 more a bored student Jun 02 19:23:32 Ah. Jun 02 19:23:52 tyler__: then the current handset release is for you Jun 02 19:23:56 it boots to xterm :-) Jun 02 19:24:14 Hmm. Jun 02 19:24:36 has anyone considered porting meego to the nexus one? would that be a nightmare to do? Jun 02 19:25:10 twoboxen: there are two problems to solve there: Jun 02 19:25:31 the first is the hardware adaptation. Hardware on ARM is frequently very specific and the drivers aren't necessarily in the kernel. Jun 02 19:26:09 but the Nexus One is a Snapdragon, so it's got an ARMv7 core, which is what MeeGo supports (though it supports that via OMAP3) Jun 02 19:26:21 the second problem is the bootloader and flashing the device Jun 02 19:26:36 yeah.. i figured the telephony stack would be the worst Jun 02 19:26:45 do you know if it's possible to flash a device bought from the stores? Jun 02 19:27:16 thiago_home: Yes, it is. Jun 02 19:27:33 i have an unlocked bootloader... doesn't that make #2 much easier? Jun 02 19:27:36 Different modders have built custom tools for flashing different images. Jun 02 19:28:11 I have a T-Mobile G1 (dream) and I flash that thing all day long. Jun 02 19:28:15 lbt: I'm here now Jun 02 19:28:46 DawnFoster: hi... we were chatting about QA and encouraging and supporting testers in the community Jun 02 19:29:15 sure Jun 02 19:29:22 thought you'd be interested : http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-06-02-17.33.log.html last part (just FYI) Jun 02 19:29:50 twoboxen: anyway, MeeGo is focusing on OMAP hardware from TI, for the simple reason that it's what the N900 has Jun 02 19:30:03 nothing's stopping anyone from working on Snapdragon Jun 02 19:30:05 yeah i've flashed a bunch of different roms on here already. it's pretty easy to do that part of the process Jun 02 19:30:36 I don't think loading the image on the phone and getting it to run would be the problem, I think it would just be driver inconsistencies. Jun 02 19:32:10 yes Jun 02 19:32:25 GL driver, telephony stack, power management, battery charging, etc. Jun 02 19:32:52 Android must have contributed some of those to the upstream kernel, but others are in userspace Jun 02 19:34:45 some people underestimate how much small integration work goes into making a phone be a phone ;-) Jun 02 19:34:51 after you boot a kernel that is Jun 02 19:35:11 maybe ill try sometime down the road but all of my dev experience is wih user apps. it's a little intimidating to start :) Jun 02 19:35:18 unlike PC hardware, embedded hardware is usually very custom. Every penny counts when you ship in the millions. Jun 02 19:35:53 start by considering this: why does ARM not have a "cpuid" instruction? Jun 02 19:37:55 nice glxgears gives 60fps on full screen in vbox Jun 02 19:39:28 arjan: i know how tough it can be--hence my intimidation/hesitation :) Jun 02 19:40:06 hmmm Jun 02 19:40:31 you runned meego on virtualbox? Jun 02 19:40:45 I mean with UI Jun 02 19:41:57 hey guys i'm running MeeGo 1.0 on an asus 901, i keep getting these random core.814 files in my ~ directory Jun 02 19:42:11 what are they? Jun 02 19:42:49 kkszysiu: just twm. Jun 02 19:43:42 melik: crashes Jun 02 19:46:18 oh thiago_home, thanks Jun 02 19:54:34 two nice meego app demos, http://www.youtube.com/user/MovialIXS Jun 02 19:56:31 looks great Jun 02 19:56:59 hi all. I'm using a netbook and my wireless card is a RTL8187SE. I followed the steps on http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html but I still can't connect wireless. Jun 02 19:57:26 Does anyone have/had the same problem and know how to fix it? Jun 02 20:06:49 dammit, it turns out that the graphics module I just unloaded was also the one I was using Jun 02 20:06:59 Lol. Jun 02 20:07:10 ah ha! Jun 02 20:07:25 I typed "sudo init 5" and it worked :D Jun 02 20:07:31 Lol. Jun 02 20:07:47 Wait, so you compiled the drivers from init 3 then jumped to init 5? Jun 02 20:07:55 sorta Jun 02 20:08:04 I'm on redhat trying to install nvidia Jun 02 20:08:18 Oh. I thought you were on MeeGo. Jun 02 20:11:45 you thought wrong :p Jun 02 20:13:24 dose meego only work on a atom cpu Jun 02 20:15:20 DGMurdockIII: no Jun 02 20:15:31 DGMurdockIII: No, it works on other processors. Jun 02 20:15:51 what other ones dose it work on Jun 02 20:16:21 CPU: 32bit Intel(r) Atom(tm) or Intel(r) Core(tm) 2 CPU Jun 02 20:16:55 ah ha Jun 02 20:17:00 DG for SDK Jun 02 20:17:01 I have progress Jun 02 20:17:11 DGMurdockIII: ^^^ Jun 02 20:17:35 ne celeron Jun 02 20:17:39 no Jun 02 20:17:59 nope Jun 02 20:18:23 CosmoHill: where do you weant to install meego? Jun 02 20:18:40 huh? Jun 02 20:18:49 I've just installed nvidia on redhat :) Jun 02 20:18:56 ahh.. Jun 02 20:19:10 I had to blacklist nouveau Jun 02 20:19:30 * gour thought CosmoHill is attempting meego under VM Jun 02 20:20:21 Congratulations. Jun 02 20:20:29 sweet Jun 02 20:20:38 UT2004 has integrated IRC Jun 02 20:20:44 Now for the hard part: installing Nvidia onto MeeGo. Jun 02 20:21:25 damn nvidia is so much better than nouveau with games Jun 02 20:21:27 Huh, that's interesting. Jun 02 20:21:51 nouveau lagged like crazy Jun 02 20:21:59 Yeah, the nouveau driver stack is pretty immature. Jun 02 20:22:12 At least it's getting somewhere though. Jun 02 20:22:21 shame I have no sound :( Jun 02 20:23:04 sweet Jun 02 20:23:14 it wouldnt get anywhere near 3d Jun 02 20:23:16 my xbox 360 controller works on redhat out of the box Jun 02 20:23:20 nor vdpau Jun 02 20:23:30 FYI I've not used linux with a GUI for about 4 years Jun 02 20:23:49 so it's pretty uselees. only for freetards maybe though... Jun 02 20:26:48 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/rhel6-nvidia.png Jun 02 20:27:07 thresh: 'Freedom' is often a romanticized word in the open source community. I think labeling open source products as the epitome of freedom in the face of closed sourced products fosters animosity, prejudice, FUD, and arrogance. (All IMO) Jun 02 20:28:24 tyler__: nothing's bad with freedom. Jun 02 20:28:54 i just prefer having it in non-stallman's-ultimate-denying-of-everything-not-open-way. Jun 02 20:29:19 thresh: I'm not saying that freedom is bad. I just think it's used in a context that fosters an animosity in the open source community. Jun 02 20:30:27 Depends on who's using it. Jun 02 20:30:30 tyler__: animosity is good. it creates competition. Jun 02 20:31:01 thresh: animosity just makes people hate you Jun 02 20:31:09 CosmoHill: nice Jun 02 20:31:11 or if they're calm, just ignore you Jun 02 20:31:21 GAN900: I just tend to see it used that way by a lot of open source advocates. Jun 02 20:32:13 'Middle-ground' doesn't seem to pop-up often. Jun 02 20:33:02 * CosmoHill closes his laptop Jun 02 20:33:02 now will it wake from sleep or crash Jun 02 20:37:47 tyler__, middle ground people tend to not engage on those discussions. Jun 02 20:38:00 The loudest extremists usually get the most air time. ;) Jun 02 20:38:23 GAN900: Haha, that's true. Jun 02 20:43:49 tyler__: I now have a xorg.conf file for my laptop, I could maybe use that for meego Jun 02 20:45:11 Oh, did you use the nvidia tools to generate your own xorg.conf file? Jun 02 20:46:28 yes Jun 02 20:46:49 I don't have KMS anymore :( Jun 02 21:47:05 hello Jun 02 21:47:36 did someone try to install Meego on a eeePC 900A ? Jun 02 21:47:47 I have a problem on boot Jun 02 21:48:45 I have a SquashFS error saying that squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x.............. Jun 02 22:03:27 chouchoune|qsdf: I haven't seen that error before - can you submit it to the forum http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6 Jun 02 22:03:38 We'll see if anyone else has run across it Jun 02 22:09:14 actually it seams to be the same problem like here : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=250 Jun 02 22:09:58 it's writing the squashfs errors and then "Bug uin initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck !" Jun 02 22:10:06 etc... Jun 02 22:11:34 I'll try to create the stick with dd instead of image-writer found on meego.com to see if it's better ... Jun 02 22:22:52 DawnFoster: it appears we are on the same wavelength on the meego vendors thread :) Jun 02 22:24:04 w00t_ yeah, we need to be careful about what we encourage people to post in the community forums. I don't want to be customer support for every vendor device :) Jun 02 22:24:36 precisely :-) Jun 02 22:25:02 that's something which I think hit maemo.org far too hard, particularly when the N900 was released Jun 02 22:26:41 * ShadowJK wonders how to break the trend of vendors ignoring their own devices Jun 02 22:26:48 and the reality is that the MeeGo community needs to stay focused on the core / reference implementations not every implementation Jun 02 22:26:52 o/ Jun 02 22:27:32 does anyone know if meego 1.0 works on default notebooks/pc's ? Jun 02 22:27:38 (live bootable usb sticks) Jun 02 22:27:51 HtheB: it will work on most intel-based devices made within the last 3 years Jun 02 22:27:55 default? Jun 02 22:28:06 just a normal laptop Jun 02 22:28:14 details about requirements: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ#Will_MeeGo_work_on_my_netbook.3F Jun 02 22:28:14 (not atom based) Jun 02 22:28:28 any intel laptop with SSSE3 (Core 2 and newer) and an intel graphics card Jun 02 22:28:29 I tried it on my notebook but all I get was some error Jun 02 22:28:35 hmm Jun 02 22:28:41 intel graphics card... Jun 02 22:28:43 ShadowJK: enthusiast sites/forums, I think Jun 02 22:28:55 Got an Asus G51j 3D Jun 02 22:28:56 ShadowJK: that plus ringing them up and bitching like hell and going with the ones with the best support Jun 02 22:29:03 Corei7 720Qm Jun 02 22:29:12 nvidia GTX260M Jun 02 22:29:18 HtheB: probably the graphics Jun 02 22:29:23 yeah... thought so Jun 02 22:29:27 no one has written support for nvidia yet Jun 02 22:29:35 darn it =( Jun 02 22:29:43 that's not an intel graphics card Jun 02 22:29:50 w00t_: well it's not just support, things like presales info you'd want to know are so incredibly hard to get Jun 02 22:30:20 ShadowJK: hmm. can't say I've had trouble with that usually Jun 02 22:30:32 not possible to change the drivers? :p Jun 02 22:31:33 I'm pretty sure it's more than just drivers Jun 02 22:31:46 w00t: well ok, go to nokia.com and tell me the max charging current from nokia'd DC-10 car charger Jun 02 22:31:53 never needed to know it tbh Jun 02 22:31:54 :P Jun 02 22:32:12 it costs 4 times more than the cheap and useless one, but they dont say why Jun 02 22:32:32 guess it's a no-go for me then Jun 02 22:32:56 feel free to get nvidia working on meego :) Jun 02 22:33:29 CosmoHill, got the wrong dude for it xD Jun 02 22:33:42 cauz I Don't know where to start Jun 02 22:34:01 just been thinking... would VM work!? Jun 02 22:34:05 I think tomrrow I'll spend 2 hours trying nvidia on meego Jun 02 22:34:08 HtheB: no Jun 02 22:34:18 booooo Jun 02 22:34:27 it may work with vmware but I've not tested it Jun 02 22:34:43 CosmoHill, I like to help you Jun 02 22:34:47 hmm Jun 02 22:35:08 you could try vmware player or vmware workstation Jun 02 22:35:19 got virtual box over here Jun 02 22:35:22 virtualbox! Jun 02 22:35:24 nope Jun 02 22:35:32 virtual environments are a bit problematic because of the way we use graphics acceleration Jun 02 22:35:34 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ#Does_MeeGo_run_in_virtual_environments.3F Jun 02 22:35:36 virtualbox lacks the 3D graphics acceleration required Jun 02 22:35:36 ._. Jun 02 22:35:47 ok, downloading vmware Jun 02 22:35:50 workstation Jun 02 22:35:57 CosmoHill: nonsense, I use 3D in Ubuntu all day long Jun 02 22:36:18 meego!=ubuntu Jun 02 22:36:18 well.. let's try it out! :p Jun 02 22:36:33 did anyone tryed it out alredy!? :p Jun 02 22:36:38 yes Jun 02 22:36:41 pronto: in both cases you'd have to compile the modules Jun 02 22:36:42 ok .. :p Jun 02 22:36:45 why is it "required", how is the hardware acceleration exposed to software ? Is it an X11 extension ? or OpenGL ? or what ? Jun 02 22:36:49 guess I should be installing vmware then Jun 02 22:36:59 HtheB: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=218 Jun 02 22:37:30 download complete \o/ Jun 02 22:38:34 owh Jun 02 22:38:35 ._. Jun 02 22:38:36 huh Jun 02 22:38:40 * HtheB in confused now Jun 02 22:38:49 * CosmoHill pets HtheB Jun 02 22:39:00 so... should I install vmcrap!? Jun 02 22:39:02 :D Jun 02 22:39:22 yes but try not to sound like a fanboy in the process Jun 02 22:39:29 the "Intel community" seriously needs to re-spin the meego-1.0 for i386 support Jun 02 22:39:40 fanboy? Jun 02 22:39:40 no Jun 02 22:39:42 i468* Jun 02 22:39:57 most of the issues are due to the high-water mark Intel has set itself (because it is trying to sell new hardware) Jun 02 22:40:17 but in order to create a "community" you need to allow it to work on older hardware first (even if it is slow) Jun 02 22:40:40 because it works, this will help drive sales for Intel as people want new hardware to make it run better Jun 02 22:40:54 sure you can have i686 spin, but an i386 spin would work for everyone Jun 02 22:41:33 but as it stands now, users are having issues, can not see, can not try "MeeGo" Jun 02 22:41:49 ah well.. maybe they will come back to us once their have gotten bored of their iPad ? Jun 02 22:42:30 i will not be bored of my ipad if i had one Jun 02 22:42:38 bollocks Jun 02 22:42:47 that's like a whole system to hack thru. Jun 02 22:42:51 it's an ipod touch for people with bad eyesight Jun 02 22:42:54 I'm glad I am working on the ARM side :) Jun 02 22:43:18 i'm -2.75 :( Jun 02 22:43:22 u can do magiiiiiic with ipaaaad! Jun 02 22:43:23 ._. Jun 02 22:43:25 so fits me! Jun 02 22:43:31 I duno what I am Jun 02 22:43:36 If Ubuntu works with OpenGL and everything in vBox. Why not create a .vdi with ubuntu and the meego SDK installed (Autostarting it)? For Windows-users it would atleast make it a little bit easier to test things out Jun 02 22:43:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATpSPNIuj3M Jun 02 22:44:18 if you want to work on the core of meego you can, just boot it into init 3 Jun 02 22:44:37 But that's no fun if you want to see the UI Jun 02 22:45:05 the point is we need another cpu vendor to support this project ;) Jun 02 22:45:24 And the SDK seems abit 'kinder' with what it runs on compared to the netbook image Jun 02 22:46:27 hmm Jun 02 22:46:50 yeah I already saw the terminal :P Jun 02 22:46:54 (on the N900) Jun 02 22:49:54 ok, I guess I was a bit quick to be happy :D Jun 02 23:12:19 why dont we add unix metadata to our vfat module? store it in a file Jun 02 23:12:28 then we could chown/chmod/ln on vfat Jun 02 23:12:41 Hmm... why don't we dump vfat fullstop :) Jun 02 23:12:53 provide USB storage via a VFAT emulator Jun 02 23:12:55 ibility Jun 02 23:13:01 for compat Jun 02 23:13:19 with what ? Windows95 ? since Win2k onwards uses NTFS Jun 02 23:13:34 other devices Jun 02 23:13:46 hmm Jun 02 23:13:59 still don't get you, you are talking about the file sys format of the internal storage ? Jun 02 23:14:09 so newer windows can read ext2/3 etc? Jun 02 23:14:20 no addon cards Jun 02 23:14:26 sd/microsd Jun 02 23:14:31 for example N900 and Maemo uses a large VFAT partition for /home/user/MyDocs so that it can be exported over USB as USB Storage for ease of use Jun 02 23:14:40 yeah Jun 02 23:14:43 and that Jun 02 23:14:45 well there is a windows driver for ext3 yes, not sure if it is stable tho Jun 02 23:14:58 well I'm planning to rid the world of that VFAT use (ala N900) Jun 02 23:15:13 have EXT3 and export an emulated file system, that looks like VFAT over USB Jun 02 23:15:24 it also means the device does not need to unmount it :) yay Jun 02 23:15:31 oh NICE Jun 02 23:16:08 lets do that! Jun 02 23:16:22 VFAT is not complicatde enough and I hope to do the hard work in userspace Jun 02 23:16:39 you are my hero Jun 02 23:16:58 you just allocated a real-file on your EXT3 (or whatever storage) to use are your workspace, like FATs and inode/directory translations Jun 02 23:17:34 !beer odin_ Jun 02 23:17:35 the only issue is space, i.e. stopping the device and the USB host from both filling it up, but I guess a % based system will do Jun 02 23:18:12 i will gladly test on n900 Jun 02 23:19:29 id love a n900 that was bigger with 1024x600 Jun 02 23:21:35 hi Jun 02 23:21:54 ah Mr Meego has arrived... someone was asking for you earlier! Jun 02 23:22:09 one question, what bootloader does meego use by default? Jun 02 23:22:11 apparently your are the source of frustration for some Jun 02 23:22:18 don't think it's me odin_ :) Jun 02 23:22:23 meego_, which hardware ? Intel or ARM ? Jun 02 23:22:30 intel atom Jun 02 23:22:32 meego_, yes I jest meego_ Jun 02 23:23:03 (it's my first time in this room) Jun 02 23:23:05 ah I don't know much about Intel's offering I'm afraid, I'm sure someone else here does, but I would hope its a regular BIOS and loader like PC Jun 02 23:23:22 yes and its $100 a question, you did read the T&C on way in didn't you ? Jun 02 23:23:23 ok, thanks, i'll try Jun 02 23:23:30 hehe Jun 02 23:26:39 meego_, got it booted yet ameego? :) which make/model Intel atom device do you have there ? Jun 02 23:27:22 yes i'm using MeeGo v1.0 right now Jun 02 23:27:38 model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz Jun 02 23:28:21 ummm no lilo nor grub commands in /sbin Jun 02 23:29:15 meego_, how are you booting it right now ? USB memory stick ? just because the utility commands are not available, doesn't mean it is not using it, since it was already setup in the image file you loaded Jun 02 23:30:13 liveUSB uses grub (i'm almost sure) but once installed i can see no boot menu Jun 02 23:30:18 well, let me retry Jun 02 23:30:21 i'm comming Jun 02 23:33:57 ok, it is grub Jun 02 23:34:19 i can see the grub menu with tab key Jun 02 23:34:22 what are you trying to do, setup a dual boot ? Jun 02 23:34:23 thanks Jun 02 23:35:20 I thought it was syslinux, not grub? Jun 02 23:35:22 i want the menu to appear an default to Win (i'm not the only one who uses this netbook) Jun 02 23:35:30 DawnFoster: mee too Jun 02 23:35:32 and* Jun 02 23:36:11 Meego_: I assume you saw the FAQ, which has links to how to create dual boot env & more? Jun 02 23:37:12 meego_, but your MeeGo install is on a USB stick ? or internal storage ? (i.e. does it bootup Win when you unplug the USB stick?) if so what is the concern to reconfigure ? Jun 02 23:37:30 hard disk Jun 02 23:37:46 meego_, ok understand Jun 02 23:39:55 DawnFoster: i'm checking here, help.meego.com/ i can see no FAQ section Jun 02 23:40:34 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ Jun 02 23:42:03 yes, just found it :) Jun 02 23:42:32 the forums also have a lot more troubleshooting info Jun 02 23:45:18 rebooting to try... Jun 02 23:46:02 i just tried installing meego on my toshiba laptop, it didnt work >_> A thread on the forums suggested it could work but it didnt. ah well :9 Jun 02 23:46:13 same here Jun 02 23:46:17 but on a Asus laptop :p Jun 02 23:46:26 yeah such a shame eh Jun 02 23:46:31 i relaly wnated to try it out Jun 02 23:46:41 i've heard even certain desktops running it too Jun 02 23:46:49 anthony, can you please describe your experience/problem ? Jun 02 23:47:04 I installed it successfully Jun 02 23:47:12 then a popup appeared at the end Jun 02 23:47:21 something about ''we have to finalize we'll be back in a jiffy'' Jun 02 23:47:26 anthony, have you confirmed your hardware meets to pre-requisites ? Which CPU and Graphics card do you have ? Jun 02 23:48:07 nope, im not relaly askign for technical help :P it was a laptop and i was just hoping it would work (since i heard about other woshiba laptops running it) Jun 02 23:48:19 toshiba* Jun 02 23:48:29 is meego ever gonna be availble for laptops? Jun 02 23:48:30 perfect, you were right, it is syslinux Jun 02 23:48:51 i was confused by the grub-like keybindings Jun 02 23:49:05 anthony, what method of install did you use ? not a pre-made image then ? Jun 02 23:49:08 CosmoHill: Any luck with nVidia drivers? Jun 02 23:49:18 on meego? no Jun 02 23:49:53 i used that software on the meego site to pyut it on a 16 gb usb Jun 02 23:49:57 put* Jun 02 23:49:57 anthony, as far as I know, there is no planned or announced support for other/older hardware at this time, however theoretically the "Intel community" can address the issue themselves ? Jun 02 23:49:58 anthony: Technically you can install MeeGo onto a laptop granting it has an Intel processor and an Intel graphics chipset. Jun 02 23:50:26 hmmm Jun 02 23:50:36 i might be able to try it out on one of my older laptops then Jun 02 23:50:42 however the community doesn't even have this thing called OBS (a build platform) which is needed to address that problem Jun 02 23:51:02 anthony: Also, there is not going to be any 'easy install' for proprietary graphics drivers. Jun 02 23:51:08 but for some reaosn my old HP laptop doesn't detect USBs on the BIOS Jun 02 23:51:27 From what I heard anyway. Jun 02 23:51:43 is there such thing as proprietary graphics drivers? everyone has ATI, Nvidia or Intel don't they ? Jun 02 23:52:22 alright, well thanks for the help duders. Hopefulyl someday I'll be able to try out meego in some form :P peace out ! Jun 02 23:52:49 ah well another one bites the dust Jun 02 23:53:39 Yeah, the drivers for ATI and Nvidia are proprietary. Jun 02 23:53:45 I wonder which head of whatever department made the SSSE3 decision they must be real smart Jun 02 23:53:54 odin_, I guess we shouldn't have made fun of that guy last night - turns out someone really is using the nickname meego in here :P Jun 02 23:53:56 There are open source drivers for the cards... but they don't work well. Jun 02 23:56:01 some are pretty ok Jun 02 23:56:34 Like the nouveau driver looks promising and you can get compiz working with it... but don't expect to do any gaming. Jun 02 23:57:10 And the ATI open source driver? Let's not talk about that abomination. Jun 02 23:58:04 * tyler__ goes to sleep Jun 03 00:16:26 bye, thanks to all Jun 03 00:20:51 what's wrong with the radeon driver, I'm a happy user. what I want to know is has anyone got the mga driver working ;-) makes me laugh it's in the meego core repo and radeon isn't :-p Jun 03 00:21:15 I got it working on my core i7 box ;) Jun 03 00:21:28 the sad part is that software rendering is faster than the 3D of the MGA hardware Jun 03 00:21:49 priceless ;-) Jun 03 00:22:04 it's awesome for debugging UI toolkits Jun 03 00:22:10 1 or 2 frames per second max Jun 03 00:22:16 so you see it if things get drawn in steps Jun 03 00:25:47 arjan_: if X doesn't use xorg.conf to set the screen resolution and load the graphic drivers, what does? Jun 03 00:26:02 the graphics driver gets loaded based on PCI IDs Jun 03 00:26:03 mga with a core i7 ... I really did laugh out loud, but I'm not putting the funky mga card I have (with breakout box) into my amd box just to try it Jun 03 00:26:16 and the graphics driver detects the screen resolution via probing Jun 03 00:26:29 bfree: servers get the cheapest on board graphics they can find I suppose Jun 03 00:27:49 arjan_: your mga was onboard? on a server board? I basically thought mga was dead (and things like rage128 chips got put on server boards for cheap outputs) Jun 03 00:27:57 yep Jun 03 00:28:14 I suppose dead == cheap ;) Jun 03 00:28:20 still makes me laugh ;-) Jun 03 00:29:44 CosmoHill: it's not very elegant, but the X server has things like "if PCI vendor ID = 8086 load the intel driver" Jun 03 00:29:45 arjan_: this is done by a startup script right? what one? Jun 03 00:29:53 no inside the X server itself Jun 03 00:29:59 any idea where? Jun 03 00:33:15 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/hw/xfree86/common/xf86pciBus.c Jun 03 00:33:17 see line 1100 Jun 03 00:33:38 in older X (1.8) it's in hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c around line 180 Jun 03 00:33:44 (it moved 9 days ago) Jun 03 00:35:18 1132 is nv Jun 03 00:36:41 i think i can get the nvidia binary onto meego but then it breaks GL i think Jun 03 00:36:56 the libgl nvidia thing is evil in some ways Jun 03 00:37:14 'cause you are basically replacing a core system library with something els Jun 03 00:37:14 e Jun 03 00:37:20 that is always "fun" Jun 03 00:38:28 it would explain why X complains about libgl after nvidia is install and not before Jun 03 00:39:31 so meego needs 3D Jun 03 00:39:40 quite Jun 03 00:39:40 nvidia supports this put breaks things Jun 03 00:39:53 nouveau doesn't support it but probably doesn't break other things Jun 03 00:40:05 nouveau is starting to support it Jun 03 00:40:18 * arjan_ ponders dinner Jun 03 00:40:21 back later Jun 03 00:40:30 in that case I'm going to sleep Jun 03 00:40:31 cyas Jun 03 01:08:09 what app is used to configure for example accounts for libsocialweb? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 03 02:59:57 2010