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Jun 10 04:59:57 <Stskeeps> morn dirkhh
Jun 10 05:01:15 <dirkhh> moin
Jun 10 05:30:54 <Trollkar1en> morn
Jun 10 05:31:36 <Stskeeps> REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 30 minutes in #meego-meeting, anyone's free to join and participate. Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Next_meeting
Jun 10 05:55:43 <Stskeeps> REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting, anyone's free to join and participate. Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Next_meeting
Jun 10 05:56:09 <thiago_home> morn
Jun 10 05:56:39 <Stskeeps> morn thiago
Jun 10 06:34:22 <MmadA> dl9pf: I have image generated from git, it looks fine now. :)
Jun 10 06:35:27 <shazkhan> the sdk and xephyr are still buggy?
Jun 10 06:35:52 <shazkhan> by the way I need to know how we can get a custom kernel into this chroot sdk
Jun 10 06:35:58 <shazkhan> any ideas?
Jun 10 06:36:23 <thiago_home> kernel into chroot?
Jun 10 06:36:24 <shazkhan> the git stuff has only some files and patches and a defconfig for a few devices
Jun 10 06:36:49 <shazkhan> I want to build my custom kernel ... not sure how to explain?
Jun 10 06:37:05 <shazkhan> Mostly I use toolchains
Jun 10 06:37:09 <thiago_home> why do you need a chroot to build a kernel?
Jun 10 06:37:21 <thiago_home> use any toolchain that can compile your kernel
Jun 10 06:37:33 <shazkhan> and then copy it into the sdk?
Jun 10 06:37:43 <thiago_home> you don't need a kernel in an SDK
Jun 10 06:37:52 <thiago_home> copy it to the device and make it boot that kernel
Jun 10 06:38:06 <shazkhan> I want to boot the meego platform with my custom built kernel
Jun 10 06:38:21 <shazkhan> on the emulator/xephyr
Jun 10 06:38:33 <thiago_home> xephyr doesn't boot a kernel
Jun 10 06:39:40 <shazkhan> huh ...?
Jun 10 06:39:55 <thiago_home> xephyr doesn't boot a kernel
Jun 10 06:40:02 <thiago_home> it's running the apps on your own computer
Jun 10 06:40:04 <shazkhan> qemu then?
Jun 10 06:40:15 <thiago_home> that would use a kernel
Jun 10 06:40:24 <thiago_home> copy it to the image that qemu boots to
Jun 10 06:40:26 <shazkhan> I have an n800 as well but at home ... have to hide it from my wife ;p
Jun 10 06:40:41 <zhx> when I ifup wlan0 on meego on N900, dmesg with something like: deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3)
Jun 10 06:41:48 <shazkhan> thiago_home: So the rootfs will be the sdk stuff copied to an image?
Jun 10 06:42:02 <shazkhan> or are there images available to download
Jun 10 06:42:16 <thiago_home> shazkhan: there are images available for download
Jun 10 06:42:43 <shazkhan> for qemu ... versatilepb
Jun 10 06:42:50 <shazkhan> or generic
Jun 10 06:43:10 <shazkhan> generic arm
Jun 10 06:43:36 <shazkhan> or use over x86 ....
Jun 10 06:43:48 <shazkhan> emulation
Jun 10 06:44:58 <shazkhan> thiago_home: How can we make our own custom image for any architecture? Any support for openEmbedded?
Jun 10 06:45:15 <shazkhan> mean rootfs
Jun 10 06:45:16 <thiago_home> openembedded is completely unrelated
Jun 10 06:45:43 <shazkhan> so how can I make my own custom rootfs
Jun 10 06:45:59 <thiago_home> try mic
Jun 10 06:46:10 <shazkhan> whats that?
Jun 10 06:46:26 <thiago_home> a tool
Jun 10 06:46:38 <shazkhan> Let me google it
Jun 10 06:47:55 <shazkhan> I am not very happy with how these maemo moblin tools work ... are'nt there any other alternatives?
Jun 10 06:48:07 <thiago_home> yes, you can write your own
Jun 10 06:48:19 <shazkhan> lol
Jun 10 06:48:46 <thiago_home> if you don't like it, do better
Jun 10 06:49:08 <shazkhan> A better alternative could be to use a default image and customize it by altering it on a loop device
Jun 10 06:49:25 <shazkhan> how about openembedded and bitbake?
Jun 10 06:49:35 <thiago_home> they are unrelated and unsupported
Jun 10 06:49:45 <thiago_home> but if they work for you, it's your choice to use them
Jun 10 06:49:47 <shazkhan> can we do better by supporting it
Jun 10 06:50:02 <thiago_home> I can't say, because I don't know much about them
Jun 10 06:50:10 <shazkhan> I can explain ...
Jun 10 06:51:03 <thiago_home> and I can't understand
Jun 10 06:51:27 <shazkhan> http://www.openembedded.org/ and http://bitbake.berlios.de/
Jun 10 06:51:38 <thiago_home> won't open the link
Jun 10 06:51:41 <zhx> Anyone use wifi on N900 with Meego?
Jun 10 06:52:00 <shazkhan> thiago_home: I can help if you let me have a remote connection or desktop session
Jun 10 06:52:04 <Stskeeps> zhx: jump in #meego-arm after our meeting
Jun 10 06:52:48 <thiago_home> shazkhan: I don't need help
Jun 10 06:53:04 <shazkhan> thiago_home: I need help
Jun 10 06:53:12 <zhx> thanks
Jun 10 06:53:19 <thiago_home> shazkhan: and I don't know how to help you
Jun 10 06:53:37 <thiago_home> I'm giving you generic advice because that's what I can do
Jun 10 06:53:47 <thiago_home> I've told you of the tools that exist
Jun 10 06:53:49 <shazkhan> Ok I am having tea then I will consider this matter if you want me to
Jun 10 06:54:00 <thiago_home> if you can't make them work, ask specific questions about the problems you had
Jun 10 06:54:06 <thiago_home> if you don't like them, then make them better
Jun 10 06:54:16 <thiago_home> also try posting to the mailing lists
Jun 10 06:55:08 <shazkhan> thanks thiago_home ... sorry for the inconvenience and some fun
Jun 10 07:19:25 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 10 07:21:14 <Termana> Good morning Jaffa
Jun 10 07:21:34 <slaine> morning all
Jun 10 07:21:34 <slaine> \
Jun 10 07:21:43 <Termana> Good morning slaine
Jun 10 08:07:51 <pekoski> hello
Jun 10 08:28:21 <Tina-> why is there no irc client on meego installed?
Jun 10 08:30:30 <Tina-> anyway to install irssi?
Jun 10 08:31:46 <Tina-> why is there no ext4 support?
Jun 10 08:32:31 <Tina-> can i find / get the kernel .config file so i can build ext4 support ?
Jun 10 08:43:53 <linuxplatform> Tina: you can use  Empathy for IRC
Jun 10 08:51:47 <Tina-> and what about ext4 missing
Jun 10 08:52:32 <Tina-> i would like to access my data
Jun 10 08:52:43 <Stskeeps> weird it's missing, sure it's not just a module?
Jun 10 08:54:27 <Tina-> :| i'm using ext4 quite long as default fs on all my drives
Jun 10 08:54:49 <Tina-> so i miss it quite hard atm
Jun 10 08:55:47 <Tina-> is it hard to setup a working toolchain on meego , like i would lik eto
Jun 10 08:55:54 <Tina-> compile xbmc
Jun 10 08:57:33 <thiago> compiling for ARM or for x86? or both?
Jun 10 08:57:43 <Tina-> x86
Jun 10 08:57:56 <thiago> any gcc with the appropriate compiler options should do
Jun 10 09:04:12 <Tina-> is it possible to rebuilt the shell + menu ontop of an other os (gentoo)
Jun 10 09:04:53 <thiago> they're just linux apps, so yes
Jun 10 09:05:58 <Tina-> so where i find those source code?
Jun 10 09:23:58 <sivang> morning
Jun 10 09:24:28 <sivang> I seem to fail to understand what Core Test Suite it. (in meego context) Are there any quality people around to explain?
Jun 10 09:24:38 <sivang> The wiki pages do not do a good work explaining it.
Jun 10 09:24:42 <sivang> and it's positioning.
Jun 10 09:25:10 <sivang> thiago: hey dude, maybe you can help me understand ?
Jun 10 09:25:26 <thiago> sivang: no, I don't think I can
Jun 10 09:25:33 <thiago> I have never heard of Core Test Suite
Jun 10 09:43:16 <megabast> hi all
Jun 10 09:44:37 <megabast> do you know how Meego configure metacity to avoid to display applications une the menu bar?
Jun 10 09:44:59 <slaine> hey megabast
Jun 10 09:45:04 <slaine> not sure I follow the question
Jun 10 09:45:06 <megabast> hello slaine :)
Jun 10 09:45:21 <megabast> I ll try to explain
Jun 10 09:46:21 <megabast> when you maximize a application like mozilla or your terminal, the top of your application will not be at top of the screen but just under the panel bar
Jun 10 09:46:56 <megabast> so, a part of the application won't be hide by the panel bar
Jun 10 09:47:00 <Tumi_> sivang: where you see Core Test Suite?
Jun 10 09:47:05 <megabast> do you know what I mean
Jun 10 09:47:33 <sivang> Tumi_: so far, on the wiki and the -dev/-community threads.
Jun 10 09:47:37 <slaine> megabast: how are you maximizing your window when there's no window manager decoration to do that ?
Jun 10 09:48:17 <Tumi_> oh been too busy to read my meego-mail :/
Jun 10 09:48:20 <Tumi_> I'll check that one
Jun 10 09:49:02 <sivang> Tumi_: sure.
Jun 10 09:49:10 <sivang> Tumi_: I'm trying to fetch the exact wiki page, hold on
Jun 10 09:49:31 <Tumi_> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Core_Test_Suites_Development_Guidelines
Jun 10 09:49:37 <Tumi_> did you check that?
Jun 10 09:49:37 <megabast> in moblin you could maximize, the maximize button was just hide bt moblin theme
Jun 10 09:49:47 <megabast> hold on I ll try on meego
Jun 10 09:49:53 <slaine> megabast: also, there's a difference between maximimized and fullscreen
Jun 10 09:50:06 <slaine> fullscreen will hide the meego panel
Jun 10 09:50:38 <slaine> maximized should just use available screen real-estate.
Jun 10 09:50:44 <megabast> humm I see
Jun 10 09:50:57 <sivang> Tumi_: yes, so still, what does CTS really mean? is that like a core set of tests *every* app has to pass before it's accepted into the repository?
Jun 10 09:51:12 <sivang> Tumi_: we have to explain the term.
Jun 10 09:51:24 <slaine> mutter-moblin decides how windows are shown in this instance, it hooks into the mutter window manger commands and has callbacks for maximized, minimized etc.
Jun 10 09:51:36 <megabast> ok I see
Jun 10 09:52:07 <megabast> but I suppose it's possible that there is a task bar with a specified size?
Jun 10 09:52:38 <megabast> so when you will full screen the meego panel won't be hide
Jun 10 09:53:21 <megabast> like you would have a taskbar on your gnome desktop
Jun 10 09:55:55 <slaine> megabast: if I recall correctly, the panel will stay onscreen for certain types of large screen sizes. I know it doesn't autohide on my 1280x800 unit here.
Jun 10 09:56:07 <slaine> I didn't try to maximize any windows though
Jun 10 09:56:21 <Tumi_> sivang: not sure what this really mean. I work for core system testing and that's another story
Jun 10 09:56:42 <Tumi_> but we have similar things
Jun 10 09:57:34 <megabast> ok
Jun 10 09:58:04 <sivang> Tumi_: what is core system? :)
Jun 10 09:58:05 <balor> How can I tell meego that it's default user (on startup) should be Foo, not Bar?
Jun 10 09:58:25 <sivang> Tumi_: what is included under its umbrella ?
Jun 10 09:58:58 <slaine> hey balor
Jun 10 09:59:20 <balor> slaine: How's tricks?
Jun 10 10:00:16 <slaine> iirc, you need to change the /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch::user=Bar to user=Foo
Jun 10 10:00:27 <slaine> balor: not bad, busy as hell, which is good me thinks
Jun 10 10:01:35 <Tumi_> sivang: for us it means the software platform under the UX layer
Jun 10 10:01:50 <Tumi_> meanin no UI testing
Jun 10 10:02:19 <Tumi_> like it seems to be the same in there http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Core_Test_Suites_Packaging_draft
Jun 10 10:02:40 <Tumi_> all of that belong to functionality under the UI
Jun 10 10:03:21 <sivang> Tumi_: ah okay, noted. So CTS is the community/open source equivalent for that? I don't want to send another mail to the list since everybody seem to know what it really means, I don't want to turn out stupid :)
Jun 10 10:03:45 <sivang> Tumi_: But I would like to know the exact scope of CTS and what it entails or mandates.
Jun 10 10:03:49 <Tumi_> the tests.xml they are talking about in the mails is the format for specifying what cases a particular test package has and how to execute those, and there is a tool that can run tests automatically provided this xml
Jun 10 10:04:40 <Tumi_> sivang: looks like that. actually our work should become opensource (hopefully soon)
Jun 10 10:05:16 <Tumi_> this might be something that managers have agreed and we will do in the future =)
Jun 10 10:05:27 <Tumi_> that's why I am also interested to know what this all is
Jun 10 10:06:42 <Tumi_> sivang: I really am not sure about the CTS scope, just guessing =)
Jun 10 10:07:37 <zaheerm> megabast, meego doesn't use metacity, it uses mutter
Jun 10 10:08:30 <sivang> Tumi_: okay, let's hope some clarifications will come out soon +)
Jun 10 10:08:35 <megabast> zaheerm: mutter = metacity + clutter no?
Jun 10 10:08:45 <sivang> Tumi_: If not I will ask on the ML in a couple of days,
Jun 10 10:09:20 <zaheerm> megabast, it is a fork of metacity
Jun 10 10:09:54 <megabast> ok
Jun 10 10:10:43 <Tumi_> sivang: obviously you have already been active in email discussions about the xml =)
Jun 10 10:11:30 <Tumi_> sivang: could you keep me updated if/when you find out? I'd appreciate a lot
Jun 10 10:21:20 <sivang> Tumi_: sure thing, just mail me to my priv addres as a reminder :)
Jun 10 10:27:28 <FunkyPenguin> if i keep getting "illegal instruction" when i try to run something could that be down to an ssse3 compilation issue?
Jun 10 10:28:44 <thiago> FunkyPenguin: what is the instruction that fails?
Jun 10 10:29:12 <FunkyPenguin> well thats the fun part ;)
Jun 10 10:29:58 <FunkyPenguin> i cant get evolution, zypper, yum, banshee and a few more apps
Jun 10 10:30:19 <FunkyPenguin> all i get is "Illegal Instruction (core dump)
Jun 10 10:30:24 <thiago> from yum?
Jun 10 10:30:46 <FunkyPenguin> reason i ask if it is ssse3 related is because im running on an eeepc701 so celeron based
Jun 10 10:30:55 <thiago> yes, it could be
Jun 10 10:30:59 <thiago> but what is the instruction that fails?
Jun 10 10:31:12 <FunkyPenguin> it doesnt say
Jun 10 10:31:30 <thiago> gdb doesn't say?
Jun 10 10:33:00 <FunkyPenguin> ah looks like libsqlite3.so.0 gave a SIGILL
Jun 10 10:33:19 <thiago> right, but what is the instruction?
Jun 10 10:33:21 <thiago> x/i $pc
Jun 10 10:35:49 <FunkyPenguin> is "0x02b72985 in ?? ()" what you mean?
Jun 10 10:35:56 <FunkyPenguin> thiago, sorry, you've lost me somewhat - i ran 'gdb evolution' then 'start', then that's what i got
Jun 10 10:36:06 <thiago> now type: x/i $pc
Jun 10 10:37:00 <FunkyPenguin> ah ok - 0x2b72985: fisttpll (%esi)
Jun 10 10:37:47 <thiago> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE3 - FISTTP is a new instruction
Jun 10 10:39:57 <MmadA> Where i can find *.ks file for genereting image for ARM?
Jun 10 10:41:25 <FunkyPenguin> thiago, ok thanks for the confirmation - i'll get back to trying to package the UX then :)
Jun 10 11:29:27 <dl9pf> MmadA: good !  you need a .ks for ARM ? look in the download folders for n900 or in the wiki for beagleboard
Jun 10 11:55:36 <MmadA> dl9pf: Hi! It works because I did mistake and I generated image for intel. ;)
Jun 10 11:56:57 <MmadA> dl9pf: I got some image, but without development tools (rpmbuild and so one).
Jun 10 11:57:23 <dl9pf> you can install on the target then
Jun 10 11:57:31 <MmadA> I'm trying to install using yum but repo (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/repodata/) is not available (404).
Jun 10 11:57:37 <dl9pf> or do you meen chroot
Jun 10 11:57:52 <dl9pf> url's changed, you need to adapt
Jun 10 12:00:08 <MmadA> dl9pf: Yes, I'm trying to do it but dont see it anywhere...
Jun 10 12:02:06 <MmadA> And also here http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment links to *ks files are dead.
Jun 10 12:03:09 <MmadA> Wrong, not links but links to repo in this ks files.
Jun 10 12:05:24 <Tina-> i tried to rebuild the kernel no luk so far , get some make error /bin/sh cmd not found
Jun 10 12:06:28 <Tina-> any kernel how to? i need anything else then make?
Jun 10 12:22:04 <FunkyPenguin> dl9pf, do you want to do build for a geeko based build on obs?
Jun 10 12:22:28 <FunkyPenguin> there is a top level name space for MeeGo and im doing the netbook builds now
Jun 10 12:23:53 <TigerTael> calendar.exe exited with code -1073741511 <-= why do I always get this with the Qt simulator?
Jun 10 12:24:06 <Tina-> what is the bootloader used ?
Jun 10 12:29:15 <Tumi_> should there be aac gstreamer codec on the MeeGo image?
Jun 10 12:29:30 <Stskeeps> slaine: check out http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Release_Creation
Jun 10 12:31:33 <MmadA> Maybe some one know what is correct repo (in place of http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/)? I really can't find it...
Jun 10 12:39:18 <slaine> Stskeeps: cheers, that's exactly what I was looking for
Jun 10 12:40:01 <Tina-> anyone build a costum kernel for meego?
Jun 10 12:40:42 <Tina-> how to load it aka what boot loader i need to edit?
Jun 10 12:42:41 <CosmoHill> iirc meego uses syslinux
Jun 10 12:42:54 <CosmoHill> you'd need to find the configuration file for it and replace the kernel to load
Jun 10 12:45:23 <Tina-> ty i'll have a look at syslinux, would it be posible to add meego to grub ?
Jun 10 12:46:28 <CosmoHill> i'm sure it can bedone
Jun 10 13:35:33 <andybleaden> Hi All. Any of you successfully managed to get a screen capture video programme working in moblin or meego
Jun 10 14:14:02 <dneary> DawnFoster, I had a question in relation to discussions last night at the TSG meeting - hope you might be able to answer it. Are you there?
Jun 10 15:09:59 * ZogG is back (gone 106:29:48)
Jun 10 17:57:38 <shazkhan> asac: what is common in MeeGo and Linaro?
Jun 10 18:45:21 <Stskeeps> i'm going to have to grab my old cryptography book to recall some of the terms in the security thread :)
Jun 10 18:46:24 <shazkhan> :)
Jun 10 18:47:26 <shazkhan> don't tell them Stskeeps ... my crypto sucks as well!
Jun 10 18:57:14 <DawnFoster> too bad we aren't paying attention :)
Jun 10 19:08:00 <shazkhan> DawnFoster: :(
Jun 10 19:08:16 <shazkhan> where is your attention ... this place is so quite ;)
Jun 10 19:08:42 <DawnFoster> it's always quiet this time of the day.
Jun 10 19:09:08 <DawnFoster> I use this time to work on other things (metrics, etc.)
Jun 10 19:10:16 <Stskeeps> how are they coming along? looking forward to seeing them :)
Jun 10 19:10:47 <DawnFoster> slowly :( I've been swamped with netbook stuff and haven't had time to finish them,
Jun 10 19:10:59 <DawnFoster> everything is way up so far, though :)
Jun 10 19:11:11 <Stskeeps> yeah, that's my personal perception of things too
Jun 10 19:17:23 <ceolin> hi guys I'm trying to install a rpm, but iI always receive this message: "The reuqest failed. More details are available in the detailed report."
Jun 10 19:17:36 <ceolin> whats the problem ?
Jun 10 19:18:58 <shazkhan> good night
Jun 10 19:42:19 <Stskeeps> there's really an impressive lot of open meego positions
Jun 10 19:44:00 <ceolin> someone is having the same problem to install rpm packages through the ui ?
Jun 10 19:48:43 <DawnFoster> ceolin: which rpm packages have you tried?
Jun 10 19:48:55 <DawnFoster> I had good luck installing several.
Jun 10 19:49:16 <DawnFoster> Maybe try something we know to work - like Abobe Air / Firefox?
Jun 10 19:49:37 <ceolin> DawnFoster: simple packages (to test) from rpm source code
Jun 10 19:49:39 <DawnFoster> also, what system are you using? (processor, graphics card, etc.
Jun 10 19:50:56 <ceolin> DawnFoster: a standard netbook, Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
Jun 10 19:51:10 <ceolin> DawnFoster: graphics Intel ...
Jun 10 19:51:17 <pupnik> meego works on gma4500 gpu?  wikinis missing a positive-list
Jun 10 19:51:41 <n9udl> is there a way to save settings on the live USB version?
Jun 10 19:51:53 <n9udl> looks sweet...
Jun 10 19:53:28 <DawnFoster> ceolin: can you try installing the firefox rpm to see of you get the same error?
Jun 10 19:53:38 <DawnFoster> just trying to narrow it down a little
Jun 10 19:53:38 <ceolin> DawnFoster: I tried to install using gpk_install_local_file, but I have no sucess
Jun 10 19:54:19 <ceolin> DawnFoster: I'll, but just to be clear, using rpm (command line) works well
Jun 10 19:54:32 <DawnFoster> ah
Jun 10 19:55:27 <ceolin> DawnFoster: but I need use something graphic
Jun 10 19:56:44 <CosmoHill> hey DawnFoster
Jun 10 19:58:08 <DawnFoster> hey CosmoHill
Jun 10 19:58:17 <CosmoHill> can I pm you for a second?
Jun 10 19:58:21 <DawnFoster> sure
Jun 10 19:58:52 <DawnFoster> ceolin: that might be a better question for the forum - I also assume you already searched there for your answer?
Jun 10 20:00:40 <ceolin> DawnFoster: yep
Jun 10 20:01:17 <DawnFoster> the forum would give you some more space to post details & I'll try to make sure someone answers it :)
Jun 10 20:02:02 <ceolin> DawnFoster: thank you :)
Jun 10 20:02:40 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: is there a plan for a sort of support organisation or is the hope to have community-run support organisation?
Jun 10 20:02:52 <DawnFoster> sorry I wasn't more help :) I installed a bunch of RPMs over the weekend with a mix of command line / gui and never ran into issues, so I'm not much help
Jun 10 20:03:24 <Stskeeps> .. actually, my question doesn't make sense as meego -is- community ;)
Jun 10 20:03:26 <DawnFoster> stskeeps: the idea is that companies who productize it will need to support their products.
Jun 10 20:03:28 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Jun 10 20:03:43 <DawnFoster> and like you said, the community will support the community releases :)
Jun 10 20:03:52 <Stskeeps> to some extent, the netbook images are being 'used' as they're productized though
Jun 10 20:04:04 <ceolin> DawnFoster: no problem
Jun 10 20:04:27 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: true - I think that when products are out in the market that people can buy, it might get easier
Jun 10 20:04:32 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jun 10 20:04:40 <DawnFoster> but yeah, people are treating it like a product that should run on anything
Jun 10 20:04:53 <Stskeeps> linpus's variants look like something i might even consider for a netbook
Jun 10 20:04:55 <DawnFoster> in reality it's more of a reference platform for companies to build on top of
Jun 10 20:05:05 <DawnFoster> or developers to build on
Jun 10 20:05:12 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Jun 10 20:06:17 <TSCHAKeee2> BUT WHYYY WON'T MEEGO RUN ON MY 4 YEAR OLD LAPTOP?! IT'S LINUX!
Jun 10 20:06:20 * TSCHAKeee2 runs!!!
Jun 10 20:06:22 <TSCHAKeee2> ;)
Jun 10 20:06:38 <Stskeeps> sometimes it feels strictly like a reference platform but in some marketing aspects it sounds more like a product
Jun 10 20:06:51 <Stskeeps> no doubt it's interesting still though
Jun 10 20:07:46 <CosmoHill> pst, TSCHAKeee2, try init 3
Jun 10 20:07:56 <TSCHAKeee2> hahaha
Jun 10 20:08:11 <DawnFoster> well, we don't have much control over those marketing types
Jun 10 20:08:21 <TSCHAKeee2> yeah....
Jun 10 20:08:33 <TSCHAKeee2> that seems a universal constant, everywhere...
Jun 10 20:08:35 <DawnFoster> they can make a demo sound like a finished product, too :)
Jun 10 20:08:38 <Stskeeps> but i guess the hype helps to generate contributors
Jun 10 20:08:39 * thiago_home thinks it's easier to control marketing types than developer types
Jun 10 20:09:04 <DawnFoster> On the other hand, we've been getting a ton of testing and finding all kinds of new bugs
Jun 10 20:09:27 <TSCHAKeee2> i'm curious as to the sheer amount of volume the automatic bug report stuff generates
Jun 10 20:09:33 <DawnFoster> *thinks it's easier to understand the developer types than the marketing types* :)
Jun 10 20:09:57 <DawnFoster> TSCHAKeee2 the crash reporter?
Jun 10 20:09:59 <TSCHAKeee2> yes
Jun 10 20:10:35 <TSCHAKeee2> until i turned off bluetooth, the system was spewing kernel oops'es quite regularly to the crash reporter
Jun 10 20:10:54 <TSCHAKeee2> not to mention the regular crashes of the web tab
Jun 10 20:11:00 <TSCHAKeee2> which i've stopped using for now
Jun 10 20:11:14 <DawnFoster> yeah, it's pretty interesting - and I like the little guy that's seeing stars: http://crashdb.meego.com/
Jun 10 20:11:54 <TSCHAKeee2> heheh I can imagine the reproducing steps
Jun 10 20:12:12 <Stskeeps> one thing i noticed is that noone speaks of for example HTC Android, they call it android, while the pattern is SuSE MeeGo, Nokia MeeGo, etc
Jun 10 20:12:12 <TSCHAKeee2> step 1: smash mallet into forehead
Jun 10 20:12:32 <TSCHAKeee2> step 2: lick a bunch of microdots
Jun 10 20:12:36 <TSCHAKeee2> step 3: use meego
Jun 10 20:12:51 <CosmoHill> TSCHAKeee2: you know you're in trouble when the error reporting system crashes
Jun 10 20:13:32 <TSCHAKeee2> those are some wonderful stats
Jun 10 20:13:36 <TSCHAKeee2> disturbing
Jun 10 20:13:39 <TSCHAKeee2> but wonderful
Jun 10 20:14:18 <Stskeeps> ah, i think i have a new avatar for talk.maemo.org
Jun 10 20:14:31 <TSCHAKeee2> oh yeah, and telepathy-butterfly is a bad boy too
Jun 10 20:14:39 <DawnFoster> TSCHAKeee2 - definitely gives an idea of where we should be spending time on bug fixes :)
Jun 10 20:14:46 <TSCHAKeee2> indeed
Jun 10 20:23:46 <DawnFoster> OK, I'm out of here for a while - I'm getting ready to run a 5k at work :)
Jun 10 20:24:00 <CosmoHill> cool
Jun 10 20:24:03 <DawnFoster> if I don't come back in a couple hours assume I'm dead :)
Jun 10 20:24:07 <thiago_home> is the office that big? :-)
Jun 10 20:24:14 <Stskeeps> good luck!
Jun 10 20:24:18 <DawnFoster> or that I tripped and hurt myself :)
Jun 10 20:24:19 <DawnFoster> thanks!
Jun 10 20:24:35 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: big campus?
Jun 10 20:24:37 <thiago_home> the Qt team had a "Train once. Run everywhere" T-shirt
Jun 10 20:24:44 <DawnFoster> thiago_home: almost! a 5k is 2 laps around the sidewalk around the campus
Jun 10 20:24:56 <DawnFoster> so yes, it's that big :)
Jun 10 20:24:58 <CosmoHill> at one point they screwed up the printers at uni
Jun 10 20:25:08 <CosmoHill> so I could print from the lab to a printer 50 miles away
Jun 10 20:25:42 <DawnFoster> the route (just double it) http://rnkpr.com/a6d4mr
Jun 10 21:53:31 <DawnFoster> and I'm back.
Jun 10 21:58:49 <CosmoHill> can I be front?
Jun 10 21:58:50 <ge3> hi everybody
Jun 10 21:59:22 <DawnFoster> ha. I made it the whole 5k without walking and it didn't kill me
Jun 10 22:00:04 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: I went out for a bike ride yesterday and did almost 10km longer than I expected cos I took a wrong turn
Jun 10 22:00:33 <DawnFoster> it's good for you - builds character :)
Jun 10 22:00:40 <CosmoHill> I had GPS on my phone running and it says I did 70Km/h :o
Jun 10 22:02:02 <ceolin> ls
Jun 10 22:02:08 <ceolin> sorry :)
Jun 10 22:02:45 <CosmoHill> I went from the riverside to the highest point in the county
Jun 10 22:17:49 <ge3> hey i have some questions about meego system is there anybody that can answer ? :$
Jun 10 22:20:05 <DawnFoster> ge3: what kinds of questions
Jun 10 22:20:06 <DawnFoster> ?
Jun 10 22:20:48 <ge3> questions about meego update cycle, i read the wiki bvut im still a little confused
Jun 10 22:22:23 <CosmoHill> "it's done when it's done" ?
Jun 10 22:22:40 <DawnFoster> you read this page: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Release_Creation
Jun 10 22:23:31 <DawnFoster> the short answer is that we'll do big releases about every 6 months. Smaller weekly releases with bug fixes and nightly builds for developers
Jun 10 22:24:03 <ge3> yes this is the page i read
Jun 10 22:24:04 <DawnFoster> we're still in the process of getting out the first wave of 1.0 releases - Netbook was May 26 and Handset should be later this month
Jun 10 22:24:30 <ge3> oooh okay thanks for ur answer so next public update is in around 6 month
Jun 10 22:24:42 <ge3> unless u want to help by finding bugs or u are a dev
Jun 10 22:24:57 <DawnFoster> we should have more details about the releases in the next couple of weeks as we further refine the process
Jun 10 22:25:08 <DawnFoster> ge3 - yeah, that's about right
Jun 10 22:26:19 <ge3> i dont have programming skills but i like this project and i would like to invest a little bit
Jun 10 22:27:18 <ge3> can i install a second meego sysytem on antoher partition just for testing and bugs without conflicts or problems ?
Jun 10 22:32:45 <jperez26> so...anyone got an idea when a viable test version of meego for n8x0 will be ready?
Jun 10 22:33:09 <jperez26> i'd love to get my hands on it for testing
Jun 10 22:36:39 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jun 10 23:10:19 <CosmoHill> cyas
Jun 10 23:28:12 <hcl2> is there any support to boot the usb image from a grub installation?  i've booted puppy linux from grub into their syslinux based boot.  my system can't to boot from usb, but grub can
Jun 10 23:45:32 <szymon_g> hi
Jun 10 23:46:14 <hcl2> okay, i changed CDLABEL to UUID and added the uuid of my stick
Jun 10 23:46:29 <hcl2> but, x is crashing over and over with ati and fbdev errors
Jun 10 23:46:33 <szymon_g> anyone tried to install/run/use meego on Nokia n810 :?
Jun 10 23:48:01 <jperez26> it's not ready for the n8x0
Jun 10 23:48:11 <jperez26> just gotta be patient
Jun 10 23:48:49 <szymon_g> :|
Jun 10 23:56:21 <hcl2> hmm, seems to only have i810 video drivers, not even fbdev or anything for x11
Jun 10 23:56:30 <hcl2> good thing i didn't blow away my usb stick
Jun 11 00:28:02 <hcl2> whatis the name of meego's window manager?
Jun 11 00:29:42 <TSCHAKeee2> the netbook UX uses mutter, with plugins
Jun 11 00:29:58 <TSCHAKeee2> other UX's will use other solutions.
Jun 11 00:39:58 <hcl2> is there a stated reason why xorg doesn't have radeon or nv drivers available on netbook distro?
Jun 11 00:47:24 <szymon_g> bye
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