**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 20 02:59:56 2010
Jun 20 03:19:59 <brokendatapoint> screen -d
Jun 20 08:45:18 <smoku> http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=4179&postcount=4  any idea what's wrong?
Jun 20 08:45:45 <Stskeeps> you couldn't be tempted to try this out in a fedora vm could you?
Jun 20 08:45:50 <Stskeeps> just to see if there's similar symptoms there
Jun 20 08:50:39 <sejo> con meego be used on a n900 already?
Jun 20 08:50:42 <sejo> can
Jun 20 08:50:53 <sejo> what functionality can I expect?
Jun 20 08:51:13 <Stskeeps> an xterm
Jun 20 08:51:46 <BluesLee> hehe
Jun 20 08:51:54 <sejo> wow
Jun 20 08:52:07 <sejo> I think I'll wait a little longer then p
Jun 20 08:52:08 <sejo> :p
Jun 20 08:52:18 <BluesLee> sejo: you may try the netbook version
Jun 20 08:53:03 <sejo> BluesLee: the only netbook I have is an old eeePC (900) and haven't used it for like a year :p
Jun 20 08:53:28 <thiago_home> if it has a Core2 processor or better or an Atom, you can try to upgrade it to Meego
Jun 20 08:53:45 <sejo> just wanted to see whether meego would work on my n900
Jun 20 08:53:59 <BluesLee> sejo: it would be sufficient, get unetbootin and the meego netbook image and just boot from an usb stick
Jun 20 08:54:12 <thiago_home> sejo: it works
Jun 20 08:54:21 <thiago_home> it doesn't contain much in terms of apps though
Jun 20 09:26:47 <smoku> Stskeeps: i don't like VM.  is there a chroot I could use?
Jun 20 09:27:21 <smoku> I got used to using scratchbox chroot, so I could live with fedora chroot
Jun 20 09:28:49 <smoku> I even overcomed my python disgust and thied debugging the problem, but it resists strongly :/
Jun 20 09:29:06 <Stskeeps> smoku: mm, i guess a chroot should be possible to locate
Jun 20 09:29:23 <Stskeeps> not sure where, i think i basically rsynced a fedora vm :)
Jun 20 09:34:00 <thiago_home> extract the files from the VM into a chroot
Jun 20 09:41:40 <smoku> and I hoped I could finally work without scratchbox madness
Jun 20 09:41:53 <Stskeeps> then help port mic to your distros :P
Jun 20 09:44:05 <smoku> well... I found the problem
Jun 20 09:44:07 <smoku> options.config = "/root/" + os.path.basename(options.config)
Jun 20 09:44:10 <Stskeeps> heh
Jun 20 09:44:12 <Stskeeps> mic++
Jun 20 09:44:15 <smoku> it's hardcoded
Jun 20 09:48:09 <Stskeeps> it's high on my list of things to recode
Jun 20 09:48:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 20 09:55:04 <smoku> it's supposed to be written there beforehand
Jun 20 09:55:14 <smoku> (nice place for temporary files BTW)
Jun 20 09:55:21 <smoku> but it isn't
Jun 20 10:04:56 <smoku> HA! it should be:
Jun 20 10:04:56 <smoku> options.config = options.bootstrap + "/root/" + os.path.basename(options.config)
Jun 20 10:05:49 <Stskeeps> send a merge request :)
Jun 20 10:06:01 <Stskeeps> oh, and do you use legacy_mode = 0 or something?
Jun 20 10:06:10 <Stskeeps> that's probably the source of all your problems if you dont
Jun 20 10:07:30 <smoku> argh!
Jun 20 10:07:39 <smoku> how do I login to bugzilla?
Jun 20 10:07:49 <smoku> (I wanted to post e bug report)
Jun 20 10:08:14 <smoku> what is legacy_mode?
Jun 20 10:11:17 <Stskeeps> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/sages-image-creator/blobs/HEAD/mic2.conf
Jun 20 10:11:20 <smoku> log in asks me for a password
Jun 20 10:11:23 <Stskeeps> you'll want to set that to 0
Jun 20 10:11:34 <smoku> new account - says Access Denied
Jun 20 10:12:56 <Stskeeps> log in with your meego.com credentials?
Jun 20 10:13:50 <Myrtti> *yawn* moin
Jun 20 10:14:50 <smoku> Stskeeps: I am logged in.
Jun 20 10:15:21 <smoku> I've set legacy mode - it's different now http://pastebin.com/JGvz46mv
Jun 20 10:17:07 <Stskeeps> what parameters are you running with?
Jun 20 10:22:23 <smoku> sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/smoku/anemo/meego-codedrop-arm-n900-2010033116.ks --mainrepo=meego --format=loop --cache=mycache
Jun 20 10:23:59 <Stskeeps> you're forgetting -a armv5tel
Jun 20 10:24:19 <Stskeeps> or armv7l
Jun 20 10:25:05 <smoku> wiki does not say anything about --arch=arm
Jun 20 10:25:16 <smoku> and in bootstrap mode it worked without
Jun 20 10:26:18 <smoku> why does it need qemu?
Jun 20 10:28:29 <pupnik> looks like i missed an interesting discussion
Jun 20 10:29:10 <smoku> nope.  It's me whining again
Jun 20 10:29:25 <Stskeeps> smoku: yeah, Image_Creation?
Jun 20 10:29:41 <Stskeeps> smoku: it needs qemu to emulate ARM binaries, to be able to run postinst scripts?
Jun 20 10:29:57 <smoku> oh
Jun 20 10:30:11 <smoku> Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Running_mic-image-creator
Jun 20 10:30:20 <Stskeeps> yeah, sec..
Jun 20 10:30:47 <smoku> and as you're there, please mention legacy mode in http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#MIC2_Configuration_file
Jun 20 10:30:48 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator
Jun 20 10:31:19 <Stskeeps> that's how we actually build them
Jun 20 10:32:44 <Sage> It depends much of the /etc/mic2/mic2.conf if the bootstrap=0 is required or not to the command line.
Jun 20 10:33:10 <pupnik> the folks at xen tell me it should be able to run meego parallel to my dev OS
Jun 20 11:22:00 <balor> I'm trying to flash an N800 with OS2008 using command "flasher-3.5 -f  -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin", but am getting "To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image".  What am I doing wrong?
Jun 20 11:22:35 * balor is aware the hardware/software combo is old, but it's a testing device
Jun 20 11:23:44 <Stskeeps> RX-44 is N810
Jun 20 11:23:49 <balor> ah
Jun 20 11:24:04 <balor> Stskeeps: what's the last N800 release?
Jun 20 11:24:17 <Myrtti> ... how is this connected to meego?
Jun 20 11:24:39 <Stskeeps> balor: look for RX-34, and #maemo :P
Jun 20 11:24:47 <balor> Stskeeps: thanks
Jun 20 11:25:24 <CosmoHill> hey Stskeeps
Jun 20 11:27:37 <Stskeeps> moo
Jun 20 11:29:31 <pinchartl> Stskeeps: previous flasher versions relied on the flashing algorithm being part of the boot loader. they now assume it's not the case, and require the flashing algorithm to be sent to the device. it must be part of the image
Jun 20 11:29:52 <pinchartl> Stskeeps: try with an old flasher version if you got one
Jun 20 11:30:44 <pinchartl> (the flashing "algorithm", as far as I know, is a kernel+initrd image that is booted by the boot loader)
Jun 20 11:31:08 <pinchartl> and I meant balor instead of Stskeeps
Jun 20 11:31:34 <pinchartl> and, reading the original question again, that's probably unrelated :-)
Jun 20 11:31:41 <balor> pinchartl: it worked when I got the correct image
Jun 20 11:31:53 <balor> pinchartl: dumb users!
Jun 20 11:31:58 <pinchartl> :-)
Jun 20 11:32:28 * pinchartl still needs to recover from lack of sleep
Jun 20 11:32:43 <CosmoHill> http://techrights.org/2010/05/28/meego-dot-net/ << I'm just read that and I'm kinda confused
Jun 20 11:33:04 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: i think it's more safe to assume the people behind those sites aren't taking their mandated medication
Jun 20 11:34:39 <pinchartl> it's a fact that the meego netbook image uses banshee as its default media player, and that's bad. my hope is that it will be replaced
Jun 20 11:34:41 * thiago_home agrees with Stskeeps 
Jun 20 11:36:41 <Myrtti> oh, techrights.
Jun 20 11:36:49 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: I did think they were taling crap
Jun 20 11:36:49 <Myrtti> the site formerly known as boycottnovell
Jun 20 11:37:22 <thiago_home> conspiracy-theorists
Jun 20 11:37:24 <Myrtti> or http://identi.ca/notice/36624738
Jun 20 11:37:52 <CosmoHill> I have a nice picture to show you guys :)
Jun 20 11:38:20 <Myrtti> and http://identi.ca/notice/35574906
Jun 20 11:39:24 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-gdm-fbfu.jpg
Jun 20 11:39:43 <CosmoHill> i think this is what happens when you don;t flush the VRAM
Jun 20 11:40:10 <thiago_home> that's the boot screen?
Jun 20 11:40:58 <CosmoHill> the blue part is
Jun 20 11:41:00 * thiago_home also notes the "Prepare to Boot to OS12]: Boot Menu" message at the bottom
Jun 20 11:41:08 <CosmoHill> the big white part is the BIOS screen
Jun 20 11:41:31 <CosmoHill> it says "PHILIPS" in the background behind GDM
Jun 20 11:41:49 <thiago_home> so what is this? the boot or gdm?
Jun 20 11:42:11 <CosmoHill> gdm
Jun 20 11:43:06 <CosmoHill> I think what has happened is that X has started and hasn't cleared what was in the VRAM
Jun 20 11:43:23 <thiago_home> -yeah
Jun 20 11:43:38 <CosmoHill> since the BIOS is 1280x800 and the meego boot is a lot smaller, you see most of the bios and some of the boot screen
Jun 20 12:31:57 * gour1 was able to get meego running under VM (vbox) :-D
Jun 20 12:32:49 <CosmoHill> how'd you do that?
Jun 20 12:33:09 <CosmoHill> did you change moblin-dm to gdm? in inittab?
Jun 20 12:33:43 <gour> CosmoHill: i followed http://www.adriannuta.com/2010/06/14/run-meego-in-virtualboxlinux/
Jun 20 12:34:26 <gour> spent so much time with this issue...at the end it was quite simple - proper liglx.so only :-)
Jun 20 12:36:52 <CosmoHill> hmm
Jun 20 12:40:13 <gour> it would be nice to put the above url to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox page
Jun 20 12:42:24 <gour> i belive thati'm going to buy (dell) netbook and develop my meego app for it...later, if handhelds becomes cheaper i may target 'em
Jun 20 12:48:14 <CosmoHill> gour: i wonder if I can use this to get nvidia working
Jun 20 12:48:33 <gour> CosmoHill: well, my desktop has ati card
Jun 20 12:50:42 <CosmoHill> gour: have you tried the SDK?
Jun 20 12:51:04 <gour> CosmoHill: yes, it works, but i prefer VM
Jun 20 12:54:49 <gour> and it's quicker
Jun 20 12:59:24 <CosmoHill> ah I've ran into a problem
Jun 20 12:59:34 <CosmoHill> I get to the select hard drive section
Jun 20 12:59:55 <CosmoHill> I click "create custom partition" and press next, the next page however is blank apart from the back and next buttons
Jun 20 13:00:58 <gour> i used default layout
Jun 20 13:01:10 <CosmoHill> I tried that but it says I don't have enough space
Jun 20 13:01:30 <gour> have you created virtual hd?
Jun 20 13:01:49 <CosmoHill> no no this is real hardware
Jun 20 13:02:04 <CosmoHill> I'm trying to use my 4GB ipod mini as an external hard drive
Jun 20 13:02:07 <gour> ahh
Jun 20 13:02:21 <gour> no idea then
Jun 20 13:04:20 <CosmoHill> anyone know the name of the installer used by meego?
Jun 20 13:04:57 <CosmoHill> interesting, init 4 is the installer
Jun 20 13:18:26 <CosmoHill> Plan B
Jun 20 13:18:28 * CosmoHill walks away
Jun 20 13:22:09 <amjad> i wont be surprised if meego installer is anaconda,
Jun 20 13:24:56 <satmd> snakes. everywhere.
Jun 20 13:27:21 <gour> CosmoHill: any progress?
Jun 20 13:27:33 <CosmoHill> nope gave up
Jun 20 13:27:55 <gour> :-(
Jun 20 13:28:17 <CosmoHill> I might give vmware ESXi
Jun 20 13:28:20 <CosmoHill> ago later
Jun 20 13:59:02 <smoku>   File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 780, in main
Jun 20 13:59:02 <smoku>     raise FatalError("failed to create image : %s" % e)
Jun 20 13:59:02 <smoku> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf3' in position 57: ordinal not in range(128)
Jun 20 13:59:04 <smoku> :/
Jun 20 13:59:15 <smoku> what's wrong again :/
Jun 20 13:59:48 <thiago_home> compound error
Jun 20 13:59:59 <thiago_home> it was going to raise an error, but an error was raised about the error
Jun 20 14:00:43 <smoku> ok. with LANG=POSIX it is:
Jun 20 14:00:43 <smoku> Error: failed to create image : Failed to find package 'nokia-n900-configs' : No package(s) available to install
Jun 20 14:05:22 <Sage> some daily/weekly snapshots are still missing some n900 packages
Jun 20 14:06:16 <Sage> Add the meego 1.0 repository after the last repository to your .ks file so mic will take missing packages from that repo if not found from the other repos.
Jun 20 14:58:39 <CosmoHill> wtf, I got into the back garden to find out that dad's cut a tree down
Jun 20 15:00:10 <gour1> ?
Jun 20 15:01:42 <CosmoHill> We have trees in our back garden
Jun 20 15:01:53 <CosmoHill> dad's most of the way through cutting one down
Jun 20 15:05:53 <lcuk> CosmoHill, its fathers day, we do manly things today
Jun 20 15:05:58 <lcuk> go and offer him a brew or somethin
Jun 20 15:06:14 <DawnFoster> happy father's day, guys!
Jun 20 15:06:15 * lcuk fixed jakes bike
Jun 20 15:06:29 <lcuk> :D thanks DawnFoster
Jun 20 15:06:39 * thiago_home will spend Father's Day with his dad, in August
Jun 20 15:09:54 <CosmoHill> lcuk: i didn't know you had kids
Jun 20 15:10:13 <CosmoHill> happy father's day dads
Jun 20 15:10:22 * lcuk has 2
Jun 20 15:10:29 * CosmoHill has none :(
Jun 20 16:20:15 <xDaReaperx> really ? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=cache:http://wiki.meego.com/BananasandPears
Jun 20 17:57:31 <thinker_> Hi.. I am new to MeeGo.  I would like to know how to build meego from the source.  Is there any document about building meego?  I have searched it for a couple days.
Jun 20 17:57:41 <Stskeeps> first off, why would you want to?
Jun 20 18:02:17 <thinker_> I am considering if I should run MeeGo on a new platform.
Jun 20 18:02:35 <Stskeeps> alright, is it a Atom-based board, or ARMv5 or ARMv7?
Jun 20 18:02:54 <thinker_> ARMv7 or MIPS
Jun 20 18:03:03 <Stskeeps> ok, ARMv7 MeeGo is already built for
Jun 20 18:03:14 <Bostik> and if it's cortext A9, please tell me where you got the hardware from :)
Jun 20 18:04:28 <thinker_> Is there any start point/document for me?
Jun 20 18:04:36 <GAN900> Bostik, Apple? :D
Jun 20 18:05:13 <Stskeeps> thinker_: if you want to try out core meego on a ARMv7 platform, grab the open image for the N900
Jun 20 18:05:28 <Stskeeps> MIPS, - start a discussion on meego-dev, because I bet you're not the first
Jun 20 18:09:30 <thinker_> I known there are some repositoris for MeeGo at GitHub.  But, it seems not all source required by MeeGo at there.  Is it right?
Jun 20 18:10:07 <Stskeeps> thinker_: repo.meego.com will have all the source RPMs
Jun 20 18:11:58 <thinker_> Stskeeps: thanks you
Jun 20 18:12:30 <Stskeeps> and the OBS prjconfs are in gitorious somewhere
Jun 20 18:12:59 <amjad> stskeeps, i am thinking of powerpc, but i am not in south africa for this one http://www.linkbook.co.za
Jun 20 18:15:27 <Stskeeps> amjad, thinker_: if i were you, i'd start a discussion on how to in practice do ports to other processors on meego-dev
Jun 20 18:26:18 <smoku> Stskeeps: I was harsh, but I blame the mood after so many unproductive hours.
Jun 20 18:26:40 <Stskeeps> smoku: i was pretty frustrated with mic2 up to the point it started working ;)
Jun 20 18:28:01 <Stskeeps> and your experience was partly painted by the fact you used the generic instructions instead of the ARM ones
Jun 20 18:28:44 <Stskeeps> .. i would have written the mail in another tone, but that's just me
Jun 20 18:30:18 * Stskeeps yawns
Jun 20 18:30:31 <smoku> well... at least I bothered to describe my MeeGo experience, instead of saying "oh f* this" and moving on ;-)
Jun 20 18:30:38 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jun 20 18:31:25 <Stskeeps> i hope the situation will change at least with regards to our N900 in the next couple of days. regarding the state of mic2 and generic documentation, that's something for the mic2 team and release team
Jun 20 18:31:35 <Stskeeps> our N900 images, that is
Jun 20 18:32:38 <Stskeeps> 'These were removed from the codedrop repos, but are not
Jun 20 18:32:39 <Stskeeps> shared anymore because they share new Handheld UI repo.'
Jun 20 18:33:02 <Stskeeps> this part is wrong - it is just cos they weren't included into trunk yet :)
Jun 20 18:33:14 <Stskeeps> it is annoying the old repos were moved
Jun 20 18:33:22 <TSCHAKeee2> yup grrr
Jun 20 18:33:25 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Jun 20 18:35:04 <Stskeeps> smoku: can we make an appointment that by next daily image that includes our nokia n900 config files, we try this in either qemu/kqemu fedora vm and with the new .ks'es, the experience should be less shit by then hopefully
Jun 20 18:35:08 <Stskeeps> ?
Jun 20 18:36:03 <Stskeeps> cos right now we're in a bit of a limbo until Trunk opens for commits again thursday
Jun 20 18:36:39 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Process#The_iterative_development_model_-_weekly_cycles
Jun 20 18:48:20 <smoku> frankly I would not touch this .ks crap anymore
Jun 20 18:48:43 <smoku> I'm looking now how to build the image manually and script it
Jun 20 18:48:45 <Stskeeps> fair enough - just offering
Jun 20 18:49:00 <Stskeeps> let me just drag out some docs i have on that.. you might be able to get something working with that
Jun 20 20:10:31 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: there's a large bunch of data relating to perception of project from potential community members (maemo.org people), http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55913 - not sure if you read it yet. gets a bit depressing at times but it illustrates pretty well some (perceived? practical?) issues surrounding MeeGo i guess
Jun 20 20:11:17 <CosmoHill> 32 pagesa
Jun 20 20:12:05 <Stskeeps> it is initially more consumer oriented but turns into a meego discussion
Jun 20 20:13:08 * Stskeeps just looks forward to this month being over.
Jun 20 20:14:01 <CosmoHill> how so?
Jun 20 20:14:15 <Stskeeps> handset ux's supposed to be out in june, i believe
Jun 20 20:14:24 <CosmoHill> ah okay
Jun 20 20:14:40 <CosmoHill> this month has been a good month so far
Jun 20 20:14:48 <CosmoHill> may was basically coursework and revision
Jun 20 20:15:04 * Stskeeps is planning to spend a week in a row getting drunk, in approximately a week.
Jun 20 20:15:14 <Stskeeps> should recharge me for the coming summer
Jun 20 20:15:37 <CosmoHill> my friend plans to have 21 pints on his 21st birthday
Jun 20 20:15:57 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: thanks for plugging away
Jun 20 20:16:18 <Stskeeps> not sure i understand that expression
Jun 20 20:16:58 <Stskeeps> ah
Jun 20 20:17:18 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: just wondering, what's your day job?
Jun 20 20:17:31 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: maemo.org distmaster and n900 hardware adaptation team member
Jun 20 20:17:34 <Stskeeps> (not kidding)
Jun 20 20:17:54 <CosmoHill> ah yes, i think i remember something from the who's who page
Jun 20 20:18:11 <CosmoHill> have a cookie
Jun 20 20:19:02 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: I just wish people didn't have tunnel vision or tries to glorify the past
Jun 20 20:21:47 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: The past sucked. MeeGo's *Nokia* learning from it. Unfortunately, one doesn't get the sense that MeeGo is learning from maemo.org.
Jun 20 20:22:28 <Stskeeps> i think it is in a lot of ways, especially in the fact that the emphasis of having a working community
Jun 20 20:22:43 <Stskeeps> as in, a community doing work, working on a product, governing and impacting a producct
Jun 20 20:23:13 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: True.
Jun 20 20:23:24 <Jaffa> Although, has the kernel process been published yet? :-)
Jun 20 20:23:25 <Stskeeps> cos that was really shit in maemo.org - nokia was in charge and there was only fringe semi-managed projects
Jun 20 20:23:48 <Stskeeps> don't get me started on kernel process, you know my opinion :P
Jun 20 20:23:53 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: And one of the key stakeholders is still working on a big reveal; and the other did their own prototype tablet UI which (AFAICT) isn't open either ;-)
Jun 20 20:24:51 <Jaffa> qgil's right - most people who've been into Maemo will be able to get into MeeGo more when there's something more tangible.
Jun 20 20:25:23 <Jaffa> But there are a few who, well, y'know. Not going into rant mode here, got an MWKN to edit.
Jun 20 20:26:14 <Stskeeps> i'm personally discouraged by the state of the community atm, as i can't do any initiatives without severe toxicity from people
Jun 20 20:26:24 <Stskeeps> (maemo.org that is)
Jun 20 20:27:27 <Stskeeps> right, time to sleep
Jun 20 20:27:58 <CosmoHill> cyas Stskeeps
Jun 20 20:28:49 * CosmoHill wonders what age Cyruss1989 is
Jun 20 20:28:59 <Cyruss1989> lol
Jun 20 20:29:32 <Cyruss1989> could someone help me with an installation? installed openoffice, but it does not appear in the list
Jun 20 20:29:32 <CosmoHill> hehe
Jun 20 20:29:44 <Cyruss1989> hi btw
Jun 20 20:29:51 <CosmoHill> did you install it via the package manager?
Jun 20 20:30:31 <Cyruss1989> no i used this: cd ~/Downloads tar -xvzf OOo_3.2.1_Linux_x86_install-rpm-wJRE_de.tar.gz cd OOO320_m18_native_packed-1_de.9502 chmod +x setup sudo ./setup
Jun 20 20:30:41 <Cyruss1989> i am a total newbie
Jun 20 20:31:19 <CosmoHill> hmm
Jun 20 20:31:31 <Cyruss1989> seemed allright, but nothing has appeared ;)
Jun 20 20:31:56 <CosmoHill> do you know the install path?
Jun 20 20:32:18 <Cyruss1989> nope dont think i do
Jun 20 20:32:25 <CosmoHill> ls /opt
Jun 20 20:32:34 <Cyruss1989> there is just a googlefolder
Jun 20 20:35:39 <lardman> hey Jaffa, Stskeeps
Jun 20 20:35:58 <CosmoHill> Cyruss1989: open terminal and type "ls /opt"
Jun 20 20:35:59 <lardman> re Meego, yeah I think a lot of people, me included, are waiting to see what happens
Jun 20 20:36:34 <lardman> the vast wait until the latest PR in Maemo didn't help, as people (like me) waited, and waited, etc., and it's then hard to get back to it
Jun 20 20:37:00 <lardman> especially when it wasn't all that exciting when it turned up in the end ;)
Jun 20 20:38:22 <Jaffa> lardman: Some of the tmo crowd imagined it'd be like the Second Coming, or something
Jun 20 20:39:28 <lardman> Well I did hope for more exciting stuff after such a long wait :)
Jun 20 20:39:44 <lardman> but being a realist didn't expect it, knowing it was only a bug-fix
Jun 20 20:40:33 <lardman> tmo is far far too noisy now, shame really as when I get the time to read through there are some interesting threads there
Jun 20 20:40:47 <lardman> just too time consuming separating wheat from chaff and all that
Jun 20 20:44:20 <lardman> on that note, bed time as my wife's car has died so I have to drop her off; night all
Jun 20 20:45:59 <korgoth> hello meegos
Jun 20 20:46:02 <korgoth> :)
Jun 20 20:47:55 <Cyruss1989> Hi
Jun 20 20:48:33 <pinchartl> Jaffa: I share the feeling that the current situation looks a bit unorganized, but I (at least for now :-)) have some faith in the project
Jun 20 20:48:47 <korgoth> umm, will meego run on nokia n810?
Jun 20 20:51:38 <Stskeeps> korgoth: already does. no promises on ux's
Jun 20 20:52:11 <pinchartl> Stskeeps: weren't you supposed to have gone to bed ? :-)
Jun 20 20:52:28 <Stskeeps> pinchartl: n900 is an enemy of sleep
Jun 20 20:53:05 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: you're in bed and still on irc?
Jun 20 20:53:11 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: The incessant vibrate when you get an email, eh? ;-)
Jun 20 20:53:33 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: ssh is great
Jun 20 20:53:37 <CosmoHill> lol
Jun 20 20:53:50 <pinchartl> Stskeeps: don't tell me. I should be in bed too :-)
Jun 20 20:54:30 * Jaffa 's finishing this cuppa and then bedding. Without N900 (it's, unsurprisingly, on charge)
Jun 20 20:59:13 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: irsse + screen + ssh?
Jun 20 20:59:22 <Stskeeps> bingo
Jun 20 21:03:39 <lcuk> Stskeeps, your point about a working community.  the biggest fact remains, not everyone in the community wants to work! and being pushed all the time adds to the perception.  whilst some of us are really hard working we shouldnt expect everyone else to be full pelt all the time :D
Jun 20 21:04:11 * lcuk offers some cat pictures as exhibit a
Jun 20 21:04:22 <lcuk> http://icanhascheezburger.com/
Jun 20 21:05:19 <CosmoHill> kitty on a washing line!
Jun 20 21:06:10 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i was just mentioning earlier to lardman about beers in uk - i hadnt gotten round to seeing anything else, but we should organise yourself and whoever wants to come along
Jun 20 21:07:18 <CosmoHill> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/funny-pictures-cat-is-ninja.jpg
Jun 20 21:07:26 <CosmoHill> holy crap that's an awesome picture
Jun 20 21:08:32 <lcuk> :D CosmoHill i thought same, amazing pose
Jun 20 21:08:38 <thiago_home> :-)
Jun 20 21:08:53 <CosmoHill> something thinks that it should be holding something
Jun 20 21:09:13 <CosmoHill> I haz TV
Jun 20 21:09:13 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jun 20 21:09:21 <CosmoHill> sweet dreams trem
Jun 20 21:15:22 <jamalta> Hi, I am having an issue with Empathy on MeeGo 1.0, and before reporting a bug I wanted to make sure it isn't already fixed. Are there nightly or beta builds of MeeGo anywhere? I couldn't find a reference anywhere in the site. Thanks!
Jun 20 21:15:47 <CosmoHill> lcuk: if I was doing something productive I'd be annoyed at you cos I'm now reading the cats
Jun 20 21:16:02 <lcuk> it ssunday night on fathers day ;)
Jun 20 21:16:30 <CosmoHill> I have no concept of time and I'm not a dad
Jun 20 21:39:18 * CosmoHill devourers a muffin and offers others
Jun 20 22:40:22 <CosmoHill> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fraise/4649676569/in/photostream/ ooo
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