**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 21 02:59:56 2010 Jun 21 03:45:13 I'd really have liked to have seen fewer talks and more collaborative work at the MeeGo conference. . . . Jun 21 06:12:06 if meego touch framework = meego handset UX Jun 21 06:35:41 hi, Jun 21 06:36:27 does anyone have been logged in to build.meego.com? Jun 21 06:37:04 i have, but if you're expecting to build your own apps there, you'll want the community obs Jun 21 06:37:06 i tried to login with my suse account, but cannot. any other account must be have? Jun 21 06:37:07 :P Jun 21 06:37:12 which isn't up yet Jun 21 06:37:30 Stskeeps, Oh :-P Jun 21 06:38:15 i'd like to build my app for meego. which obs can i use, do you know? Jun 21 06:38:32 the answer is there's no current place atm :/ Jun 21 06:38:50 oh, i see... :-( Jun 21 06:39:18 thx :-) Jun 21 07:19:30 morn slaine Jun 21 07:26:52 morn slaine Jun 21 07:29:39 moin ♥ Jun 21 07:30:50 morning Stskeeps amjad Jun 21 08:43:06 Hello good morning!. Is there any documentation which explains if MeeGo uses uclibc or glibc?. Jun 21 08:43:25 glibc Jun 21 08:43:49 Does somebody knows about documentations that makes a comparison between uclibc and glibc? Jun 21 08:44:00 Stskeeps: thanks! is there any document that explain that? Jun 21 08:45:20 think there's an architecture diagram Jun 21 08:48:51 Stskeeps: thanks, you are right it was right in front of my face :P Jun 21 08:50:38 Morning, all Jun 21 08:51:26 I have a last question : is there any documentation about meego port to other architectures?, I mean, a porting methodology or something like that. Jun 21 08:51:31 Jaffa: morning! Jun 21 08:52:29 fjrivash: what type of device do you hope to port to? Jun 21 08:53:39 Stskeeps: SH4, I have a new version of Gyy which comes with that SH4 architecture Jun 21 08:55:26 hm, does SH4 have a fedora? Jun 21 09:29:50 Stskeeps: sorry, yes there is a port of Fedora 6 for SH4, but it is too old, actually there is Debian for SH4 but I really prefer to try with MeeGo. Jun 21 09:30:46 That is why I am looking for enough information about porting methodologies and MeeGo for other hardware architectures Jun 21 09:31:18 Sorry I have to go out for a second I will be right back in few seconds Jun 21 09:32:23 ready Jun 21 09:33:02 right, there's an ongoing discussion on meego-dev, i'd jump in there if i were you Jun 21 09:36:38 I saw this morning a message of USA Linux UAE I replied it but there no answer yet, I hope the next days would be one or more reponses. Jun 21 09:45:00 #n9 Jun 21 09:45:09 oops sorr Jun 21 09:45:11 sorry 8 Jun 21 10:17:51 Stskeeps, I am reading this Official_Meego_.ks_files wiki page and I one part of the document they are referring to a local repository they say that the repository contains rpms (which are sources) so I wonder is there a compilation process of those packages when you create the image. Jun 21 10:18:25 url? Jun 21 10:18:54 http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Official_Meego_.ks_files Jun 21 10:19:05 Repos part Jun 21 10:19:22 ok, so, the main problem is really bootstrapping Jun 21 10:19:49 mmm what do you mean? Jun 21 10:25:46 Stskeeps, I am not an expert on this, so I think I need to have sources (x86 for example, which are available) I recompile them for the new architecture, I already have a compiler, but I do not know which is the right order to compile them, actually my first approach is down to up, I mean from the kernel, after system libraries and so on. Am I right? Jun 21 10:26:43 basically you need to get sufficient packages compiled for your architecture that it can compile packages Jun 21 10:26:55 ie, gcc, bash, the usual build dependancies.. Jun 21 10:28:17 Stskeeps, yes actually I saw the MeeGo's Base OS specs and that is why I am looking for documentation on porting and that stuff. Jun 21 10:29:51 One thing I am worried about is the dependencies, because I can not find right references on build MeeGo from scratch, I am trying to reproduce from scratch the process of create a meego images from sources. Jun 21 10:30:14 for ARM we took the fedora ARM base and built all packages against that initially Jun 21 10:30:18 to the point it was selfhosting Jun 21 10:31:09 ok, so, first off - do you have a SH4 board? Jun 21 10:31:15 which version of fedora did you use for it? Jun 21 10:31:24 12 Jun 21 10:33:44 Ok I got it!, so the best approach is to have, for example, fedora core 6 for sh4 and recompile all the packages against it? Jun 21 10:33:48 yes I have it Jun 21 10:33:53 fortunately Jun 21 10:34:44 and they provide a kernel a toolchain and a rootfs. also I am reading the O'Reilly book trying to get more ideas on embedded systems and that stuff Jun 21 10:35:13 mm Jun 21 10:36:12 sometimes I think I have the right tools but I have not a clear idea on how to use it :P Jun 21 10:37:27 Stskeeps, did you read the message from that guy, who ask for a meego-porting list? Jun 21 10:37:50 yeah Jun 21 10:41:00 got a fairly new rootstrap with a modern compiler? Jun 21 10:41:20 rootfs has to contain at least gcc, make and such Jun 21 10:50:18 fjrivash: ok, are you capable of building a RPM package in general? Jun 21 12:48:01 cool, I'm famous Jun 21 12:48:42 my wifi instructions where linked in a meego review on pcworld Jun 21 12:51:46 what's pc world? :) hehe Jun 21 12:52:38 slaine: seemingily my former ircd product which i left long ago, is now used of a prime example of open source not always being secure, heh Jun 21 12:52:57 nice Jun 21 12:52:59 making it to itworld and other scary places Jun 21 12:53:10 (there was a former webmaster hacking the site, replacing tar.g Jun 21 12:53:17 eek Jun 21 12:53:28 zs with backdoors and it got unnoticed for about a year Jun 21 12:53:39 and even distributions got fooled, as md5sums were modded too :) Jun 21 12:54:06 it was a former webmaster? Jun 21 12:54:11 you know more than me?! Jun 21 12:54:34 satmd: i've actually seen the php the site is made of, i personally wouldn't be surprised Jun 21 12:54:42 guy knew enough to pull it off Jun 21 12:54:50 true Jun 21 12:55:24 but I'd be angry at syszop if I wasn't told such details as I'm trying to do the PR on this thing Jun 21 12:55:43 satmd: i don't know details and haven't spoken to syzop Jun 21 12:55:52 k Jun 21 12:56:00 but judging from what is out, i'm quite sure where to place the blame Jun 21 12:56:09 officially (and inofficially) we don't have a final conclusion yet Jun 21 12:56:15 Stskeeps, did you find out if it was any of your patches that caused it *grin* Jun 21 12:56:23 well, I blame the lazy admin :p Jun 21 12:56:24 lcuk: nah, never touched the website Jun 21 12:56:54 it was the website? i thought it was codebase that was compromised (and yes uploaded but thats nto the problem rly) Jun 21 12:57:18 CVS was fine, tar.gz's on mirrors and website were compromised Jun 21 12:57:20 lcuk: someone downloaded the tarball, manipulated it, uploaded it (<- that's the hack part) Jun 21 12:57:59 yeah what was the actual compromise tho Jun 21 12:58:09 ie what did they add Jun 21 12:58:13 hard to tell months after the upload Jun 21 12:58:24 should be easy to diff against cvs Jun 21 12:58:26 4 lines of #define and a single statement Jun 21 12:58:38 yeah, we have several copies to check against Jun 21 12:58:52 it's "just" the additional #define and a system() call Jun 21 12:59:17 bad thing our check script broke 2 years ago and noone fixed it Jun 21 12:59:23 * satmd really disliked that fact Jun 21 12:59:24 what was the trigger? ie could i send a remote string over a compromised server and have it execture? Jun 21 12:59:33 exactly Jun 21 12:59:43 you would not even need to do nick/pass/user Jun 21 12:59:58 thats nice Jun 21 13:00:20 but we already had a user top that Jun 21 13:00:25 Hi there. I had installed Meego release and try to find dhcp client database/lease files. I looked in /var/lib/dhcleint and /var/lib/dhcpv6, but this dirs is empty. Somebody can tell me where i can find what i want ? Thanks. Jun 21 13:00:35 they got hacked and yet *reused* the trojaned tarball on another server Jun 21 13:00:43 got hacked twice and tried to blame that on us too Jun 21 13:01:04 how was the compromise discovered? Jun 21 13:01:15 someone noticed a diff in md5 Jun 21 13:01:26 he had a local copy to check against Jun 21 13:01:42 but no wild attack reports before? Jun 21 13:01:52 just rumours Jun 21 13:02:01 see full-disclosure Jun 21 13:02:18 someone named ac1db1tch3z claims to have pulled that off Jun 21 13:02:29 and wanted to sell that as part of an exploit kit Jun 21 13:02:44 yet, that's just rumours, too Jun 21 13:03:13 * satmd personally checked all commits back to 22 months ago Jun 21 13:03:41 good for you. sounds nasty, glad its sorted Jun 21 13:03:47 ac1db1tch3z claim there was another backdoor, I did not find anything suspicious Jun 21 13:03:54 not even remotely suspicious Jun 21 13:03:57 theres always backdoors Jun 21 13:04:08 or rather entrypoints Jun 21 13:04:25 true, but they claimed that they placed it there Jun 21 13:04:32 i dont think theres much fully audited completely secure software out there Jun 21 13:04:36 they claimed that we only found one of two Jun 21 13:04:37 eep Jun 21 13:04:57 satmd: heh, ever heard the story of HSARC? Jun 21 13:05:04 not yet? Jun 21 13:05:39 satmd: drbin added a command causing a null pointer reference for win32 backtrace debugging and forgot to turn it off for real win32 builds.. Jun 21 13:06:01 HSARC in reverse ies .. :) Jun 21 13:06:06 lol Jun 21 13:06:12 nice one Jun 21 13:06:36 I wonder why we still keep the cvs if one of our guys has a mercurial Jun 21 13:06:48 we should switch to anything saner than cvs Jun 21 13:07:25 of all vcs, cvs is the easiest to manipulate Jun 21 13:07:34 and I only checked the mercurial Jun 21 13:07:42 which is not public Jun 21 13:10:23 at least press is now getting the windows part right Jun 21 13:19:34 Stskeeps, sorry I was having lunch and went to other office. Yes I am capable of build RPM packages. Jun 21 13:21:44 Stskeeps, there is some replies to USA Linux mail, one of them has this reference http://wiki.meego.com/MPG Jun 21 13:25:18 yeah.. we need something a little lower level Jun 21 13:25:25 but this is an area we can cevolve in Jun 21 13:32:54 Stskeeps, yes that is right, actually I think one of the best starting point is a methodology for porting and fill each task/step Jun 21 13:46:41 I will be right back Jun 21 14:30:08 hello Jun 21 15:01:34 *yawn* Jun 21 15:04:08 Anyone with a netbook running MeeGo 1.0 want to test some upgrade instructions for me? I need someone who hasn't already applied any of our bug fixes / system updates. Jun 21 15:11:42 * thiago had some Intel people here today who had one Jun 21 15:11:46 they've already left though Jun 21 15:13:07 thiago - Most of the intel people have already done the updates. I was hoping to find someone to test the instructions from the beginning Jun 21 15:13:11 DawnFoster, sure Jun 21 15:13:30 i have done no updates except flash 10.1 Jun 21 15:13:45 zaheer__: Great! Jun 21 15:13:53 Here are the instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_Updates Jun 21 15:14:12 I can test too Jun 21 15:14:20 slaine - sweet, thanks! Jun 21 15:14:42 as a bonus, the updates have a ton of bug fixes Jun 21 15:14:58 awesome Jun 21 15:15:13 let me know if you have any questions or suggestions for the instructions Jun 21 15:15:24 will do just booted my netbook Jun 21 15:15:29 love the 7 second boot :) Jun 21 15:15:32 DawnFoster: I'll test that as well Jun 21 15:18:58 1 update available package manager bug fixes Jun 21 15:19:39 yeah, there was a huge bug in the package manager that had to be fixed before the rest of the updates could be installed :) Jun 21 15:19:40 DawnFoster, is it possible other updates won't show until after installing package manager bug fixes? Jun 21 15:19:47 exactly Jun 21 15:20:04 DawnFoster, so maybe this should be reflectedin wiki Jun 21 15:20:04 there will be a bunch of updates after the package manager fix Jun 21 15:20:20 ok, so apply the package manage fix and then try update again Jun 21 15:21:15 yes so rest now show up and are being updated Jun 21 15:23:01 * trip0 cries that meego 1.0 netbook doesn't seem to have nouveau graphics :( :( Jun 21 15:23:01 zaheerm, I just updated the instructions to make that more clear. Jun 21 15:23:48 yah wiki looks better Jun 21 15:24:04 trip0: it's explicitly stated that it's for intel atoms with intel graphics Jun 21 15:25:11 slaine, it wouldn't have been difficult to add support for nouveau and be able to power my zotac ION/Atom330 board Jun 21 15:25:47 for who ? Jun 21 15:25:52 lol DawnFoster updating the package manager first is cool :D Jun 21 15:26:10 trip0: like with most open source projects, we started with something, and hope that other people will contribute fixes for additional hardware :) Jun 21 15:26:13 looks like I've a wl-kmod rebuild to do after this Jun 21 15:26:39 The Linux kernel started by supporting the hardware that Linus owned, and now look at everything it supports :) Jun 21 15:27:15 lcuk: well, we had a huge bug in the package manager that prevented people from updating correctly ;) Jun 21 15:27:38 You couldn't scroll down to click continue if there were 5 or more updates :) Jun 21 15:27:39 haha Jun 21 15:28:21 I've often had to do that in the past too, push out updates to the update code, that is Jun 21 15:29:00 yeah tis sensible Jun 21 15:32:47 DawnFoster: after applying the package manager updates, and restarting the updates GUI, I have 33 new updates available, but the "Install Updates" button is disabled Jun 21 15:32:59 DawnFoster, so should i keep these repos added now in my netbook or should i remove them Jun 21 15:34:04 (and fixed a smallish typo on the wiki page) Jun 21 15:35:01 zaheerm - keep the repos Jun 21 15:35:12 the update process will continue to use them Jun 21 15:35:50 DawnFoster, how will others do the update without this repo adding magic? :) Jun 21 15:35:55 blino - give it a few minutes. Mine was disabled while the package manager refreshed everything. It should appear Jun 21 15:35:57 DawnFoster: actually, packagekitd is using 100% CPU for a long time... Jun 21 15:36:23 it feels even more sluggish than our perl-Gtk2 package manager in Mandriva :) Jun 21 15:36:28 zaheerm - anyone who downloaded the 1.0 release will need to add the repos to update Jun 21 15:36:53 PackageKit is pretty poor at providing accurate visual feedback about what's going on, imo Jun 21 15:36:57 But that's not a meego bug Jun 21 15:37:19 having to add the repos is not an ideal process Jun 21 15:38:34 Dawn, no reason why the update manager, even with the bug that's there, could provide an update to the PackageManager and the meego-release rpm, which would then enable the new repo's also Jun 21 15:38:49 s/could/couldn't/ Jun 21 15:38:49 slaine meant: Dawn, no reason why the update manager, even with the bug that's there, couldn't provide an update to the PackageManager and the meego-release rpm, which would then enable the new repo's also Jun 21 15:39:26 slaine - I don't think the update manager can find the package manager update unless you add the repos. Jun 21 15:40:06 Right now, we're still testing the update process, so maybe Anas has something else in mind for people later Jun 21 15:41:01 DawnFoster: so MeeGo 1.0 release with no updates repo's active ? Jun 21 15:41:48 I'd imagine for final push of updates, he'll do something like what I've said above. Jun 21 15:41:59 slaine - you might be right Jun 21 15:42:30 we're doing the same thing right now, just from a non-standard repo Jun 21 15:42:44 Also, I imagine that OEMs shipping MeeGo 1.0 to consumers will have the update repos added. Jun 21 15:42:59 * TSCHAKeee2 wonders who these oem's are gonna be Jun 21 15:43:28 DawnFoster: the window asking for "Additional confirmation" is too big, when upgrading the second package updates set, it does not fit my 1024x600 screen Jun 21 15:43:56 and alt + left click does not seem to be handled by mutter Jun 21 15:44:23 when you say "too big" does this mean that you can't scroll to click on the confirmation button? Jun 21 15:44:36 yes Jun 21 15:44:40 I can take a screenshot Jun 21 15:45:05 TSCHAKeee2: http://meego.com/about/public-support-meego and http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/6144 for some Jun 21 15:45:11 blino, thanks Jun 21 15:45:19 I thought we had that bug fixed. Jun 21 15:46:37 DawnFoster: this way: http://people.mandriva.com/~blino/package-update-confirmation-too-big.png Jun 21 15:47:44 blino: did the one package manager update install without any issues? This should have been the first update in the update system windown Jun 21 15:48:13 DawnFoster: yes, the first one went fine Jun 21 15:50:04 blino: what are you running on? System, processor, graphics card? Jun 21 15:51:38 DawnFoster: it's motoring along here Jun 21 15:51:43 but it seems VERY slow Jun 21 15:52:03 DawnFoster: MSI Wind U100, Atom N270 Jun 21 15:52:49 looks like it's I/O bound Jun 21 15:53:17 50% wa, 9% cpu Jun 21 15:53:33 btrfs possibly Jun 21 15:53:46 * trip0 clones kernel source, sets CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU to "y", commits Jun 21 15:53:48 done Jun 21 15:55:16 does the nouveau driver work with ION? Jun 21 15:55:18 trip0: we know this isn't the fastest way to update, but we needed instructions for end users :) Jun 21 15:55:40 microlith, it does for me ;) Jun 21 15:56:12 DawnFoster, the end user shouldn't need to do anything other than boot the new kernel Jun 21 15:56:35 and hopefully this patch will make it into the meego kernel config by default Jun 21 15:56:59 blino, my msi wind u130 was fine with both updates Jun 21 15:58:14 blino, in the meantime, to get the package updates, you can just run 'zypper patch' at the command line to kick off the updates. Not sure why you're seeing that issue. Jun 21 16:01:34 blino: did the update-viewer restart after first patch? Jun 21 16:04:00 anaZ: not sure, I might have been a bit too eager to use it, it took too long time, so I think it was frozen, closed it and restarted it Jun 21 16:04:30 DawnFoster: I got an error actually Jun 21 16:04:41 looks like a PackageKit error Jun 21 16:04:51 what error? Jun 21 16:05:46 Title is "An internal system error has occured" Jun 21 16:06:18 yeah, very helpful :) Jun 21 16:06:27 "A problem that we were not expecting has occured. Please report this bug in your distribution bugtracker with the error description" Jun 21 16:06:30 and then a close button Jun 21 16:06:36 can you file a bug with more details? Jun 21 16:06:48 Yeah, almost as good as the ERROR:Success dialogs :) Jun 21 16:06:58 not on meego though Jun 21 16:07:21 yes, anaZ is there a PackageKit log somewhere that'll give you more details though Jun 21 16:17:39 anaZ: there's a /var/log/pk_zypp_log file Jun 21 16:17:45 hey slaine Jun 21 16:17:49 I'll try again and keep an eye on that Jun 21 16:17:54 Hey CosmoHill Jun 21 16:18:18 I've been clearing a room in the afternoon Jun 21 16:18:22 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/nec-20.jpg :D Jun 21 16:19:15 I get to use all of those in my cluster Jun 21 16:21:17 I also had a go at trying dept of feild Jun 21 16:21:17 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/nec-depth-of-feild.jpg Jun 21 16:26:19 I've just had a weird thought, a few years ago I used to look up at people that do that things I do now Jun 21 16:26:19 yay Jun 21 16:29:00 CosmoHill: it's a very sobering thought, isn't it? Jun 21 16:29:17 CosmoHill: for years.. I felt terrible, that I wasn't a proper computer scientist Jun 21 16:29:20 that I wasn't writing papers Jun 21 16:29:29 that I wasn't tackling insanely obscure problems Jun 21 16:29:55 years spent with colleagues in the academic world shaped that outlook Jun 21 16:30:21 especially with those people who weren't my friends in academia basically looking at me like i was inferior. Jun 21 16:30:48 then one day, i realized, I wasn't a mathematician, or a physicist, Jun 21 16:31:26 i think my friend needs to work that out Jun 21 16:31:27 nor was i, as i have constantly been treated as in the corporate world, an engineer, or a strict "pretty picture maker" (which seems to be the definition of most people when they think of designers) Jun 21 16:31:39 whilst I might be getting higher grades then him we're doing totally different subjects Jun 21 16:31:59 an A in programming isn't going to cure someone's pet Jun 21 16:32:12 not until we get cyborgs anyway Jun 21 16:32:25 i'm a hacker, and as much as i tried, i never fit in academia...nor am i well fit for the corporate world Jun 21 16:32:47 you sit away hacking at code until it works? Jun 21 16:32:48 so, i made peace with the fact that I do god awful boring day jobs, so I can do what I love at night. Jun 21 16:33:30 CosmoHill: yes. I grew up in a very different world than you did. my first computers either were the flippy switch blinky lights type, or the built in basic interpreter type Jun 21 16:33:53 and i was introduced to smalltalk as a kid Jun 21 16:34:03 and it drastically shaped my thought process Jun 21 16:34:15 all i know is that you're older than I am. I don't know how much by Jun 21 16:34:31 i honestly think it's absurd that a piece of software can be completely designed Jun 21 16:34:36 before one line of code is written Jun 21 16:34:50 which is why static typing languages like C++ and Java seriously piss me off. Jun 21 16:34:53 ah is see where you're going and i like it Jun 21 16:35:13 s/is see/I see/ Jun 21 16:35:14 CosmoHill meant: ah I see where you're going and i like it Jun 21 16:35:47 but we keep writing systems problems in them, why? because they're so close to the hardware to begin with...and the engineer part of us likes that. Jun 21 16:36:12 DawnFoster, should i now be seeing all packages listed twice (old version and new version) in manage apps? Jun 21 16:36:21 when you spend serious time in alternative systems designs, you start to realize just how short the straw of most programmers really is. Jun 21 16:37:03 when I make a website I basically open textmate and start coding with no design at all Jun 21 16:37:16 after a bit I have blocks of colour Jun 21 16:37:31 after more I have some kinda layout Jun 21 16:37:41 I design by coding Jun 21 16:37:56 zaheerm: Hmm, that doesn't sound right Jun 21 16:38:12 DawnFoster, want a screenshot? Jun 21 16:38:19 I don't really plan stuff, often I'll just code stuff then start again and call it mk2 and mk2 will be the final Jun 21 16:38:35 DawnFoster, or should i just file a bug? Jun 21 16:38:39 zaheerm: hmm Jun 21 16:38:48 sounds like you did rpm install instead of rpm update Jun 21 16:38:49 when i program, it's like sketching. i test out an idea in small bits, and keep fleshing out, with an overall idea of where i am going..constantly erasing and rewriting lines.... and yes.. I do HTML entirely in a text editor as well (the irony is, the first web browser I ever used, was WorldWideWeb.app, which had its own rich text editor in it.) :P Jun 21 16:39:02 install installs the package regardless of if it's already there Jun 21 16:39:25 CosmoHill, no i used the wiki instructions from http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_Updates Jun 21 16:39:42 zaheerm: did you do everything via the gui update tool? Jun 21 16:39:50 DawnFoster, yes Jun 21 16:39:56 Slaine / others: are you seeing duplicates? Jun 21 16:40:16 DawnFoster, except adding the repos with zypper ar as per the setup on that wiki page Jun 21 16:40:17 Didn't spot any Jun 21 16:40:28 but it took a second run to get all those updates applied Jun 21 16:40:34 zaheerm: screenshot would be good Jun 21 16:40:50 DawnFoster, ok let me boot the netbook up again and i'll get a screenshot Jun 21 16:40:56 oops Jun 21 16:42:43 TSCHAKeee2: how old are you? Jun 21 16:42:51 (if you don't mind me asking) Jun 21 16:43:18 hi all, i had a quick question.. are there nightly / beta builds available anywhere? Jun 21 16:43:28 i have a bug with 1.0, and i want to make sure it hasn't been fixed already before i report it Jun 21 16:43:38 erm Jun 21 16:43:48 check bugzilla to see if it's been reported Jun 21 16:44:11 CosmoHill: I tried that and couldn't find it, I will try again though. Jun 21 16:44:17 I guess that means there isn't though? Jun 21 16:44:35 probably means it's hasn't been reported, yes Jun 21 16:45:29 DawnFoster, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/219349/meego_dup_packages.png Jun 21 16:46:35 hmm i see, could it be a repo problem? Jun 21 16:46:49 jamalta: I think we have daily builds in the repo: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/ Jun 21 16:49:33 zaheerm: I wonder if that's a bug or by design (since we're still testing the updates, having both versions there would allow you to roll back to a previous version). Not sure. Jun 21 16:50:19 DawnFoster: Oh cool, thank you! Jun 21 16:51:36 DawnFoster, ok...will you check or should i report a bug so it is tracked? Jun 21 16:52:02 jamalta: The release eng page on the wiki http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering has more info about how we do releases, naming conventions, etc. Jun 21 16:52:40 DawnFoster: Ah, thank you :) Jun 21 17:23:04 anaZ: max crash sizes probably needs to be increased Jun 21 17:23:31 I've had some browser issues since upgrading but can't get a good crash report by default Jun 21 17:49:50 hey auke Jun 21 17:50:17 morning Jun 21 18:54:18 This is looking good: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Akademy2010 Jun 21 18:54:22 oops, sorry! Jun 21 18:54:32 I meant this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0&feature=player_embedded Jun 21 18:54:51 Anyone could comment if this is written using Jun 21 18:54:53 clutter Jun 21 18:54:55 or qt? Jun 21 18:59:16 looks like qt to me Jun 21 19:01:31 Three lines of QML ;) Jun 21 19:02:34 perkele. Jun 21 19:02:50 ohai ^___^ Jun 21 19:03:31 inz: Is Meego really using QML to do that? Jun 21 19:03:47 aalpert, nah, just a joke; bit of an insider actually Jun 21 19:04:52 aalpert, it may partly be QML, but if so, definitely more than three lines =) Jun 21 19:06:47 inz: Is it secret whether and/or how much is QML? Jun 21 19:07:02 aalpert, I have no idea whatsoever. Jun 21 19:07:29 I hope someone in this channel knows, because now I'm curious Jun 21 19:27:37 moo wazd Jun 21 19:43:10 i see new image at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/1.0.80.7.20100618.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ is there any Updates files or ChangeLog Jun 21 19:43:24 ? Jun 21 19:52:45 BOO Jun 21 19:53:36 ah! Jun 21 19:53:46 you don't scare me Jun 21 19:57:23 * lbt whips out his plans to automate OBS and testing and bwahahahaha ... they're scary Jun 21 20:06:09 ahhh Jun 21 20:06:17 fecking subwoofer going nuts Jun 21 20:06:50 what would be the appropriate category for a GStreamer plugin? System/Libraries? Jun 21 20:08:04 # Group: Applications/Multimedia for gst-plugins-farsight at least Jun 21 20:10:17 Stskeeps: yeah, but it's not an application... it's something for applications to work properly Jun 21 20:10:35 felipec: gst-plugins-bad are in same category :/ Jun 21 20:18:33 Stskeeps: how about GStreamer core? where are the packages BTW? Jun 21 20:18:48 felipec: got OBS access? if so, look in Trunk Jun 21 20:18:56 otherwise manually download the srpms off repo.meego.com :P Jun 21 20:19:10 felipec: looking at gstreamer core Jun 21 20:19:22 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 21 20:24:44 felipec: Applications/Multimedia Jun 21 20:27:12 Stskeeps: yeap, I got access... but I'm not sure if somebody really paid attention to those rpms (built with spectacle? whatever that is) Jun 21 20:27:28 anyway, I'll follow that Jun 21 20:30:09 felipec: spectacle is a blessing when it comes to making spec files :P it takes the yaml files and turns them into specs Jun 21 20:31:58 Stskeeps: ah, well, no time to learn another tool right now =/ Jun 21 20:33:36 DawnFoster: good initiative with meego-announce / security. Could have been interesting to see how many people would have gone on -announce initially instead of -dev for instance Jun 21 20:34:41 hmm, how to specify unreleased versions? 0.7.1-48-g7c8cc20 is not accepted Jun 21 20:35:17 0.7.1.git ? Jun 21 20:50:31 hmm, W: unstripped-binary-or-object /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdsp.so Jun 21 20:50:48 how to make dbg packages automatically? Jun 21 21:15:46 seems to be a bug in /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh Jun 21 22:35:58 hi Jun 21 22:36:13 anyone? Jun 21 22:36:22 i need help Jun 21 22:36:41 anyone? Jun 21 22:36:55 help needed Jun 21 22:36:56 :) Jun 21 22:36:57 no, no one Jun 21 22:37:03 :) Jun 21 22:37:06 hi thiago Jun 21 22:37:15 I'm not here, I'm going to bed Jun 21 22:37:26 have a good night Jun 21 22:37:59 still nobodoy ? Jun 21 22:38:03 i need help Jun 21 22:38:10 i'm trouble with my wifi card Jun 21 22:38:15 intel 3945 Jun 21 22:38:22 meego doesnt support Jun 21 22:38:32 i found drivers but i couldnt install Jun 21 22:38:50 :( Jun 21 22:38:52 thnx Jun 21 22:39:27 so meego doesn't support your card out of the box? Jun 21 22:40:47 it has linux drivers Jun 21 22:40:56 meego should support the i3945 wifi card just fine Jun 21 22:40:56 is it impossible to install it to meego ? Jun 21 22:41:04 the driver is present Jun 21 22:41:25 i'm newbie Jun 21 22:41:31 i think this is the problem :) Jun 21 22:41:42 it should work out of the box Jun 21 22:41:50 you shouldn't need to do anything special Jun 21 22:41:52 no wifi after installation Jun 21 22:42:46 i have wired and bluetooth options, there is no Wi-Fi Jun 21 22:43:05 lspci show the card is present? Jun 21 22:43:39 checking... Jun 21 22:44:10 you should see a line somewhat like this: Jun 21 22:44:13 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5350 AGN [Echo Peak] Network Connection Jun 21 22:44:23 (different intel card here of course) Jun 21 22:44:24 it says Realtek rtl8187se wireless Jun 21 22:44:31 not intel :( :) Jun 21 22:44:41 * CosmoHill gives auke a cookie Jun 21 22:44:47 nom Jun 21 22:44:52 :) Jun 21 22:45:12 azull: oops, you seem to have a different wifi card Jun 21 22:45:28 yeap Jun 21 22:45:32 my mistake Jun 21 22:45:48 I think that one is in recent stages Jun 21 22:45:48 my pc guide says it is intel Jun 21 22:46:07 i will try to install realtek Jun 21 22:46:13 http://bugzilla.moblin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6046 Jun 21 22:46:20 it's known to be buggy, unfortunately Jun 21 22:46:29 you can help by posting relevant unformation in the bugzilla Jun 21 22:46:47 can't i use wifi right now ? Jun 21 22:50:40 i found a solution at forum Jun 21 22:50:46 i'm applying Jun 21 23:06:38 how can i take the ownership of a directory ? Jun 21 23:07:05 what you trying to do? Jun 21 23:07:19 i found a solution in the meego forum Jun 21 23:07:25 im applying it Jun 21 23:07:33 as what user? Jun 21 23:07:36 and i have to make some changes in a file Jun 21 23:07:39 i'm root Jun 21 23:07:44 but it doesnt allow Jun 21 23:07:54 then something is broken Jun 21 23:08:06 the root user doesn't have permission problems Jun 21 23:08:18 the file which i have to make changes just downloaded from net Jun 21 23:08:26 and Jun 21 23:08:29 extracted Jun 21 23:08:33 tar Jun 21 23:09:07 how can i make changes in a file from terminal? Jun 21 23:10:56 ? Jun 21 23:17:57 depends on the file Jun 21 23:18:59 azull: TSCHAKeee2 will help you Jun 21 23:19:04 * CosmoHill runs awayy Jun 21 23:19:08 night night Jun 21 23:19:34 ok Jun 21 23:19:35 wha? wha? Jun 21 23:19:40 hi friend Jun 21 23:19:45 yes? Jun 21 23:19:50 i have a permission problem Jun 21 23:19:52 i'm root Jun 21 23:19:55 * TSCHAKeee2 kills cosmohill Jun 21 23:19:59 but i cant make change in a file Jun 21 23:20:07 which file? Jun 21 23:20:22 MakeFile is the name of file Jun 21 23:20:27 in tmp Jun 21 23:20:36 just downloaded and extracted Jun 21 23:20:42 i'm trying to install my wifi card Jun 21 23:22:36 azull, do 2 things, type "whois; ls -l /tmp/Makefile" and give results Jun 21 23:22:41 morning DawnFoster Jun 21 23:23:58 ok i made it vie terminal Jun 21 23:24:05 via Jun 21 23:24:17 i edited the file Jun 21 23:31:44 beorn is a perfect guy Jun 21 23:36:30 is there any office pack for meego Jun 21 23:36:44 like word excel pwrpont? Jun 21 23:36:50 can i install openoffice? Jun 22 01:38:39 Hi! Jun 22 01:39:38 Hello. I'm new to meego, but am very interested and excited to help in any way I can. Jun 22 02:52:11 anyone know which git repo meego-sdk-chroot comes from? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 22 02:59:56 2010