**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 23 02:59:56 2010 Jun 23 06:42:21 myyh Jun 23 07:24:46 .. do we actually have an alarm framework in meego? Jun 23 07:26:05 09:24 < Stskeeps> .. do we actually have an alarm framework in meego? Jun 23 07:26:23 Sry i slipped on the buttons. Jun 23 07:29:01 * lbt notices Myrtti's greetings are always *so* enthusiastic and chirpy ;) .... more tea I think Jun 23 07:29:10 morn lbt Jun 23 07:29:22 hey there Stskeeps Jun 23 07:30:16 * lbt had a good day yesterday... :) Jun 23 07:32:03 oh? Jun 23 07:32:07 lbt: I had nightmares last night and I could have sworn today is Monday Jun 23 07:33:10 Myrtti: sounds rough ;) Jun 23 07:33:29 Stskeeps: I managed to launch a process from a python client over AMQP ... Jun 23 07:34:12 cool Jun 23 07:34:13 in addition to not knowing where my glasses are, almost falling on my face on my way to the bathroom and the need to do laundry so I won't stumble on my way to the bathroom tomorrow, I'm chirpy as ever Jun 23 07:34:18 .. what does that mean? Jun 23 07:34:18 :P Jun 23 07:34:18 so you send a json description of the systems to call and conditions and the jobs get done Jun 23 07:34:31 chrip. chirp. Jun 23 07:34:39 aw bollocks Jun 23 07:34:48 * lbt offers sunflower seeds to Myrtti :D Jun 23 07:35:11 Stskeeps: if you want a demo... http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss/ Jun 23 07:35:22 ah Jun 23 07:35:34 a few apt-get installs... and you run it ... and shit happens!! Jun 23 07:45:12 Hello. Is there a developer site with repository links? Jun 23 07:53:15 Any package repositories up yet? Jun 23 07:53:54 repo.meego.com ? Jun 23 07:53:56 for? Jun 23 07:55:11 andre__: to see what is included Jun 23 07:55:21 yeah. in what? Jun 23 07:55:38 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ ? Jun 23 07:56:44 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu /* MeeGo image available for N900 owners */ Jun 23 07:56:58 why its not made open for everyone ? Jun 23 07:59:06 siddu: it includes a bootloader that's nokia closed, it is actually a full n900 emulator :P Jun 23 07:59:44 that those bits ought to be redistributable is something else.. :) Jun 23 08:01:22 Stskeeps: Is there any image (img file) or can i make one with the intial code base so that i can try out the MeeGo on the qemu ? Jun 23 08:02:06 siddu: keep in mind this is a n900 emulator, so it would boot into an xterminal. you might have success with a beagleboard kernel though Jun 23 08:02:17 it isn't netbook in a qemu :) Jun 23 08:03:35 made a specfile for installing the nonfree part of gst-plugin-bad... Jun 23 08:03:56 Morning everyone! :D Jun 23 08:06:31 thiago, I am reading your mail about ARM + MeeGo and I have a doubt on what you said that we have to look the ability of the rest of the system to run the applications and a full linux system with glibc and full qt will have stricter requirements, Why is that if has full QT? Jun 23 08:07:18 well, GLES2 support is pretty much minimum for any of the UX'es Jun 23 08:09:28 yes, because of GPU capabilities, great. Thanks Stskeeps. Jun 23 08:11:46 hello, i cant find anywhere why meego needs ssse3. could someone explain why i cant use it on my eeepc701 ? Jun 23 08:13:52 AFAIK. meego uses clutter for the GUI, and clutter works ok on eeepc701, so it cant be the graphics... but what is it ? Jun 23 08:14:09 oskude: ROFL .... Jun 23 08:14:37 lbt: whats so funny ? Jun 23 08:14:49 using ssse3 makes it run orders of magnitude faster and has *nothing* to do with restricting meego to newer intel chipsets. Jun 23 08:14:55 ^^ official line ;) Jun 23 08:15:32 lbt: hmm. and _where_ in the software stack is ssse3 needed/used ? what does ssse3 do ? Jun 23 08:15:36 attracting new developers to the project and allowing them to get a taste of meego is not as important as making sure they use the latest hardware Jun 23 08:15:53 * lbt should have gone anonymous when he's being that cynical ;) Jun 23 08:16:21 lbt: ok. so new hardware from other vendors will have ssse3 too ? Jun 23 08:16:30 oskude: I gave up. At some point I'm sure (I hope) there'll be a non-ssse3 build Jun 23 08:16:53 there are currently major restrictions on the graphics HW too Jun 23 08:17:04 which are not AFAIK policy driven Jun 23 08:17:41 so when we get some more community involvement we may find ways to use nvidia or preferably OSS ATI cards Jun 23 08:18:03 ok, so ill just wait if i maybe some day can use meego on my eeepc701... Jun 23 08:18:11 yeah, sadly.... Jun 23 08:19:09 heck, I work on this for a living and haven't even *seen* MeeGo - I don't have a netbook and don't imagine it'll work on any of my laptops Jun 23 08:19:21 >.<* Jun 23 08:19:25 mmmm Jun 23 08:19:44 oh well, at least the screenies and videos look nice := Jun 23 08:19:51 the focus today is making MeeGo a commercial success Jun 23 08:19:59 yes sir. Jun 23 08:20:00 and I think that is a superb policy Jun 23 08:20:18 lbt: does nvidia even have an arm port? Jun 23 08:20:25 Coke: arm? Jun 23 08:20:34 eventually the open nature will allow us to put together community ports Jun 23 08:20:54 lbt: commercial success != technical success Jun 23 08:21:00 in fact, they are quite in opposite in my experience Jun 23 08:21:06 Coke: commercial failure == death Jun 23 08:21:10 lbt: nope Jun 23 08:21:17 for MeeGo, yep Jun 23 08:21:24 for Linux/OSS nope Jun 23 08:21:27 lbt: that's because it's technically not good Jun 23 08:21:28 Coke: it must do, though you probably only get the port with a Tegra dev board Jun 23 08:21:43 or, by linux community standards, sub par anyway Jun 23 08:22:03 Coke: well, by linux standards everything is sub-par ;) Jun 23 08:22:12 lbt: everything that is a commercial success, yes Jun 23 08:22:14 in a good way Jun 23 08:22:17 because the two seem to be compatible Jun 23 08:22:22 rarely Jun 23 08:22:29 Apple has the worst product in iPhone, yet it's the most popular Jun 23 08:22:37 Android is absolute bullshit from a technical standpoint, yet popular with consumers Jun 23 08:22:38 and your point would be? Jun 23 08:22:47 I'd rather be good than popular? Jun 23 08:22:58 lbt: maybe they should try to do it the linux way instead of mimicking Google and Apple? Jun 23 08:23:06 mmm Jun 23 08:23:07 NVidia has even ARM chips Jun 23 08:23:08 see the Tegra Jun 23 08:23:10 then maybe good will become popular? Jun 23 08:23:14 mmm Jun 23 08:23:47 lbt: they should also look at how Qt is run to get a grip on what developers want from a community Jun 23 08:23:54 the current developer site looks like it's made for children Jun 23 08:24:14 Coke: Qt is there... and one of the reasons I think it'll succeed Jun 23 08:24:20 lbt: but the rest of it Jun 23 08:24:29 * slaine wonders what he's walkt Jun 23 08:24:30 Coke: like I said, some of the decisions smack (to my cynical eyes) of silly commercialism (ssse3) Jun 23 08:24:30 e Jun 23 08:24:34 Qt is already a working open project with plenty of cashflow from sponsors (guessing mainly Nokia) Jun 23 08:24:37 * slaine wonders what he's walked into Jun 23 08:24:57 slaine: "why can't I use meego on my non-ssse3 device" .... heh ;) Jun 23 08:25:14 #1 rule of inviting the community to join in on development: make sure they like what you've got. Jun 23 08:25:15 Actually one of my favorite topics :) Jun 23 08:25:17 attracting new developers to the project and allowing them to get a taste of meego is not as important as making sure they use the latest hardware Jun 23 08:25:44 it runs 50x faster using ssse3 Jun 23 08:25:57 lol Jun 23 08:25:59 btw. atleast mx (the ui toolkit AFAIK meego uses, and is based on clutter) works perfecly on my eeepc701 Jun 23 08:26:02 anyhow... enough said Jun 23 08:26:13 I thought the toolkit was Qt? Jun 23 08:26:14 oskude: I truly sympathise... Jun 23 08:26:24 Coke: it's complex .... but yes Jun 23 08:26:26 Coke: that's what devs are encouraged to use Jun 23 08:26:28 lbt: see Jun 23 08:26:31 lbt: that's just wrong Jun 23 08:26:39 Coke: no shit... Jun 23 08:26:45 morning \o Jun 23 08:26:52 Coke: if it was perfect it'd be shipping Jun 23 08:26:54 http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2010/05/20/mx-toolkit-1-0/ Jun 23 08:27:00 welcome to "development" Jun 23 08:27:06 lbt: but the design decisions they are making for development over the next year are already wrong Jun 23 08:27:06 where things aren't finished Jun 23 08:27:17 Coke: welcome to "the real world" Jun 23 08:27:22 I think I need my coffee before I even try to contribute to this, bbs Jun 23 08:27:36 where compromises are made based on information we don't have :( Jun 23 08:27:45 lbt: I've been developing mobile stuff on my spare time since a few years back now Jun 23 08:27:50 i wonder if any of you have tried the qemu-compatible meego-netbook Jun 23 08:27:51 you either trust your leaders or you don't Jun 23 08:27:53 I do Jun 23 08:28:00 lbt: I quit the IT industry because I'm too good to waste my time with bullshit :) Jun 23 08:28:20 what have you done since? Jun 23 08:28:37 lbt: btw, the ONLY reason both Maemo and MeeGo sucks (will suck) is because decisions are made well outside of the community Jun 23 08:29:01 It smells of fancy suits. Jun 23 08:29:15 Coke: well, yes... but they strip off in the sauna ;) Jun 23 08:29:20 I've seen it! Jun 23 08:29:23 not pretty Jun 23 08:30:00 :) Jun 23 08:30:05 I beleive ya Jun 23 08:30:29 I'm not sure what's gonna happen to my n900. Do I have to buy the n9 now? Jun 23 08:30:49 it'll get meego (open source) + hardware adaptation (closed and open bits) Jun 23 08:32:21 * lbt toddles of to make MeeGo even more awesome than a really awesome thing. Jun 23 08:33:14 OTOH I think rhubarb crumble is awesome.... so don't hold your breath :) Jun 23 08:33:31 lbt: you want to make MeeGo awesome? Jun 23 08:33:49 What is the name of module being used in MeeGo as alarm framework for writing the alarm application? for can someone please advice? Jun 23 08:33:56 if only that were in my power Coke.... Jun 23 08:33:58 lbt: is Qt the toolkit for meego, by the way Jun 23 08:34:04 oh, wait. It's OSS ... it is :) Jun 23 08:34:09 yes Coke Qt Jun 23 08:34:19 1) remove all bits from gnome (including gconf and pulseaudio), 2) move from RPM to a sane package format ;) Jun 23 08:35:21 I wouldn't mind a third-generation package format to supersede both .rpm and .deb, really Jun 23 08:35:34 * leinir smacks Coke "Repeat after me: One binary blob with meta data is not better than another binary blob with metadata" ;) Jun 23 08:35:35 because to be honest, they both have their merits Jun 23 08:35:45 (even if I personally like .deb more) Jun 23 08:35:45 Bostik: there are plenty, rpm and deb are about the worst around Jun 23 08:35:47 (and the oldest) Jun 23 08:36:02 leinir: it absolutely can be Jun 23 08:36:13 And how's the tool support for the others? Jun 23 08:36:17 One has to remember that RPM's were designed for a time when coherent upgrades didn't exist Jun 23 08:36:25 leinir: outstanding Jun 23 08:36:32 But I'd rather see a more simplistic slackware style aproach Jun 23 08:36:46 It's not gonna be like people will do rolling bleeding edge updates on their cellphones every day anyway Jun 23 08:36:51 * lbt fetched popcorn to watch this old rerun again ..... and turns off the colour in konversation for that "black and white" feel ;) Jun 23 08:37:14 lbt, the classics channel Jun 23 08:37:28 this is #TCM Jun 23 08:37:38 lbt: point taken Jun 23 08:38:01 *giggles* Indeed :) Jun 23 08:38:21 Sorry for pouncing that one, i have not really started working yet today ;) Jun 23 08:38:33 of all the channels in all the freenode, you had to /join mine Jun 23 08:38:44 I'm guessing Meego will replace Maemo as well now for nokia? Jun 23 08:38:51 As stated Jun 23 08:38:57 and Moblin for Intel Jun 23 08:39:35 slaine: :) Jun 23 08:40:54 lbt: is intel good when it comes to free projects and communities? Jun 23 08:41:10 yes Jun 23 08:41:43 lbt: that's gonna be a good counterweight for Nokia's clumbsyness then Jun 23 08:41:47 well, better than most; but big enough to have bad parts too Jun 23 08:41:52 but I guess intel has more experience Jun 23 08:42:01 lbt: there's always a smudge on every apple Jun 23 08:42:11 just bite around it. :) Jun 23 08:42:30 mmm.... I think nokia beats intel on open Jun 23 08:42:46 it feels like the resistance comes more from the intel side. Jun 23 08:42:56 but that's personal Jun 23 08:43:00 i'd say that certain parts of nokia beat certain parts of intel on openness... and vice versa Jun 23 08:43:01 anyhow... l8r all :) Jun 23 08:43:16 find it funny to discuss that with companies that're this enormous :) Jun 23 08:43:26 lbt: see ya! :) Jun 23 08:45:25 when complaining about some meego stuff (inability to run under VM), i was contacted from intel side (offline of the list) which i appreciate very much Jun 23 08:45:55 gour1: what did you get, with respect to "inability to run under VM" ? Jun 23 08:46:24 rohanpm: well, few days ago i found a post and now have running meego under vbox Jun 23 08:46:53 gour: do you think you could spare the time to wiki-fy it? :-) Jun 23 08:47:21 rohanpm: it's very simple - see http://www.adriannuta.com/2010/06/14/run-meego-in-virtualboxlinux/comment-page-1/#comment-3778 Jun 23 08:47:41 there is already wiki about VirtualBox, but it's not complete :-/ Jun 23 08:47:47 "comment-3k+..." right Jun 23 08:48:03 that's a bit tricky to find off-hand, I'd say Jun 23 08:48:37 hmm... it doesn't explain it? Jun 23 08:48:52 what is http://202.112.3.1/libglx.so , why does replacing the libglx.so in meego with that one allow it to work? Jun 23 08:49:30 it is probably re-built lib which supports vbox's graphic Jun 23 08:49:38 there was a thread about that on the ml Jun 23 08:50:14 iirc it was an older libglx from moblin Jun 23 08:50:26 i know it is possible to use meego under qemu, but vbox looks more attractive to me until i buy a real netbook Jun 23 08:50:41 COFFEEEEEEEEEEERRGH. Jun 23 08:50:51 gour: http://www.listware.net/201006/meego-community/9844-meego-community-got-meego-ui-working-in-qemu.html Jun 23 08:51:52 Myrtti, +1 Jun 23 08:51:55 blino: yeah, i'm aware of qemu...but prefer vbox Jun 23 08:51:58 you want sugar in yours? Jun 23 08:52:18 lcuk: Truvia or Splenda, with milk, please. Jun 23 08:52:32 * lcuk nods Jun 23 08:52:43 anyone else whilst im putting kettle on? Jun 23 08:52:50 no, thanks Jun 23 08:53:15 * gour is not drinking (coffee) Jun 23 08:53:45 I've got a big collection of teas too Jun 23 08:53:54 and some squash, if you'd prefer Jun 23 08:57:42 *taptap* is this thing on still Jun 23 08:57:46 it is, good. Jun 23 08:58:42 roiibos for me thanks Jun 23 08:58:57 havent had any caffeine for 8 months now Jun 23 08:59:03 and hi myrtti Jun 23 09:00:00 oh, you're here too Jun 23 09:00:07 ohai sivu Jun 23 09:00:20 long time, no chat Jun 23 09:01:12 myrtti, i have a myrtti on my balcony! Jun 23 09:01:42 Myrtti, yes its on but i ran to the kettle Jun 23 09:01:51 it's so cuuute Jun 23 09:02:04 awww Jun 23 09:02:18 sivu: I still haven't finished your mittens :-< life got in the way Jun 23 09:02:42 :( Jun 23 09:02:54 damn life Jun 23 09:02:59 its summer Jun 23 09:03:03 no need to be sad Jun 23 09:03:05 rofl Jun 23 09:03:11 LinuxCode: I hate summer... Jun 23 09:03:26 at least this year we are having a summer it seems Jun 23 09:03:36 aand what's wrong with summer? Jun 23 09:04:14 sandst1: allergies, heat, sunburn, insects Jun 23 09:04:37 linuxcode, this mitten thing has been hanging around for like 2-3 years now Jun 23 09:04:41 so summer is not an excuse Jun 23 09:04:47 sivu, lol Jun 23 09:04:55 god.... Jun 23 09:05:00 Myrtti, hire a minion Jun 23 09:05:04 or 5 Jun 23 09:05:07 LinuxCode, enjoying the WC Jun 23 09:05:19 lcuk, is England game on now ? Jun 23 09:05:24 Myrtti: aa yeah, agree with allergies : S Jun 23 09:05:24 lcuk, Ive been up all night Jun 23 09:05:31 ohh lcuk I have a new toy Jun 23 09:05:51 yeah, your vibrator collection is growing! Jun 23 09:06:58 lcuk, cat cam Jun 23 09:07:01 ;-p Jun 23 09:07:32 knew it had something to do with your pussycat! Jun 23 09:07:50 lol Jun 23 09:07:57 he needed a job! Jun 23 09:08:33 myyh, I've gone into gadget mode. I'm either shopping for a camera or a netbook. I bet if I can push those desires away, next I'll be looking at sewing machines. Jun 23 09:08:36 Anyone had problems with pulseaudio and gstreamer in the 1.0 release ? Jun 23 09:08:42 Damn. I mentioned sewing machines. Jun 23 09:09:03 Myrtti: programmable sewing machines? Jun 23 09:09:32 Stskeeps: *nod* Jun 23 09:09:57 Myrtti, advanced sewing machines create civilisation. i've seen simpler CNC machines Jun 23 09:10:50 but - I've got over 3000€ in my investmend funds and the money is burning a hole on my bank account! Jun 23 09:10:56 NEED -- TO -- SPEND Jun 23 09:11:09 lucky you ^^ Jun 23 09:11:37 perhaps I'll just smack myself and get piss drunk on midsummer and get over the gadget fever. Jun 23 09:11:53 and remember that I've been saving to go to driving school. Jun 23 09:11:54 There nothing like spending money to get the economy going ;) Jun 23 09:12:45 perhaps I should buy nokia stock. Jun 23 09:12:58 ok, I need more coffee to wake up. Jun 23 09:13:01 moving on! Jun 23 09:14:24 * lcuk spends X-Fade Jun 23 09:17:16 but really, the options for a MeeGo ready netbook are a bit baffling Jun 23 09:17:27 X-Fade, before or after the 20% vat rate ? Jun 23 09:17:47 it's 22 here... Jun 23 09:17:55 Myrtti, where are you based ? Jun 23 09:17:57 fi ? Jun 23 09:18:03 officially yes Jun 23 09:18:09 k Jun 23 09:18:14 stress on the word officially Jun 23 09:18:17 denmark has like 25% or so Jun 23 09:18:26 its shocking Jun 23 09:18:39 every 4th Euro goes to the state Jun 23 09:18:53 ehh, do they even use the Euro now ? Jun 23 09:18:54 Interestingly as well, in Denmark it's 25% on everything, no "no VAT on vital stuffs" rule or such :) Jun 23 09:18:59 * Myrtti doesn't go into politics Jun 23 09:19:01 Nope, no Euro in Denmark Jun 23 09:19:04 Of money you already payed tax over ;) Jun 23 09:19:11 leinir, food is 25% too ? Jun 23 09:19:18 and i'm so annoyed with that - it's hugely annoying because i travel a lot Jun 23 09:19:22 Yup, 25% on everything :) Jun 23 09:19:27 thats disgusting Jun 23 09:19:37 Also, base tax rate is 45% i believe :) Jun 23 09:19:46 not that the supermarkets pass that on anyway, but hey Jun 23 09:20:04 Not really - wages are adjusted to fit, so really we end up with the same amount at the end of the month :) Jun 23 09:20:21 Myrtti: how are the netbook options baffling you? I take it you've seen the supported devices page? Jun 23 09:20:23 Minimum wage in Denmark's about twice what it is in e.g. England :) Jun 23 09:20:23 leinir, I meant our food vat is 7% or so Jun 23 09:20:48 some stuff is vat exempt Jun 23 09:20:49 townxelliot: Not many good options there. Al pretty 'old' hardware. Jun 23 09:21:01 townxelliot: X-Fade +1 Jun 23 09:21:02 X-Fade: ah, I see what you mean Jun 23 09:21:08 you dont see prices being cheaper here compared to Germany, for instance, though Jun 23 09:21:12 1 big con Jun 23 09:21:24 there's lot of netbooks that I wanted to buy. Two years ago. Jun 23 09:21:27 We basically need to wait until the next generation atom comes out? Jun 23 09:21:45 MSI Wind, NC10, they all looked nice a year, two years ago Jun 23 09:22:22 Myrtti: I guess I'm not that bothered about the laptop/netbook I'm on, so long as it works; my home laptop is 5 years old Jun 23 09:23:03 townxelliot: my problem is that very few of the options that I'm looking at are actually sold as new anymore Jun 23 09:23:18 Myrtti: I see Jun 23 09:23:50 and knowing how much use people put on their netbooks, I'm not too keen on buying a used one either Jun 23 09:24:16 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0027FFUOM works well with MeeGo, available new Jun 23 09:24:46 i've been playing around with NC10 since last summer and so far so good Jun 23 09:25:07 +meego's rolling nicely Jun 23 09:25:11 Myrtti: sorry, might be the wrong link, let me try again Jun 23 09:25:22 I'd need to see the keyboard before buying anything though Jun 23 09:26:28 Myrtti: now you're just being fussy ;) Jun 23 09:27:07 wrote half of my thesis with NC10, recommending that one :) Jun 23 09:28:40 Myrtti: yes, I'm pretty sure that's the one I've got; keyboard is OK, but then you're not going to get anything brilliant on a netbook are you? Jun 23 09:29:15 Myrtti: with the keyboard requirement you just walk to the nearest store and test all the keyboards you find, not other way around it, is there? Jun 23 09:29:58 the eee in townxelliot link looks like it has a similar keyboard as my HP mini 5101, and I do like the feel Jun 23 09:30:26 tekojo: I'd say it's pretty good for a netbook, probably as good as you're likely to get unless you spend a fortune Jun 23 09:32:09 tekojo: verkkokauppa.com Pirkkala and their stock on shelf... :-< Jun 23 09:32:45 townxelliot: true, the only improvement I would go looking for would be a sharper screen 1368xsomething (got my HP on sale and it has that) Jun 23 09:33:02 Myrtti: ouch, not the best place to go typing Jun 23 09:33:38 tekojo: yes, the screen is a little small; it's not really suitable as a full-time dev machine, but OK for using as a netbook :) Jun 23 09:34:15 and yes it's fussy to be pedantic over the keyboard. But if the keyboard isn't what a touchtypist has learnt to expect, then it's a bit useless keyboard Jun 23 09:36:42 which is why I hate my BF's Macbook Pro he got from USA. Jun 23 09:37:12 Myrtti: I agree there. Just don't spill juice on your favourite keyboard and all is well Jun 23 09:38:59 tekojo: again my issue is with the layout of it, 104 keys vs. 105 Jun 23 09:42:50 Is there a TSG meeting tonight ? Jun 23 09:44:12 Isnt there any meego devs here ? Jun 23 09:44:50 Hello, is there a document about how to install OBS 1.8 to build meego rpm from source on my local machine? Jun 23 09:45:51 copyleft: not yet Jun 23 09:45:53 I've installed one but still there seems a lot of bug need to be fixed. Or some trick settings. Jun 23 09:46:13 you'd need a meego config for obs for a start Jun 23 09:46:20 and I don't think they've published that Jun 23 09:47:46 to build single app one does not need obs? Jun 23 09:48:00 slaine: Yes, I got the meego config from git tree. But obs 1.8 on my machine seems not work correctly. (on obs 1.7 I can correctly build rpms) Jun 23 09:48:42 Sorry that it's kind of hard to describe my problem on OBS 1.8. I'm still trying to make it clear. Jun 23 09:50:11 slaine copyleft http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config Jun 23 09:50:25 not that it makes you much happier, but it should be there Jun 23 09:50:56 copyleft: try to find lbt or anaZ1 on the channel and ask them Jun 23 09:51:26 or InformatiQ Jun 23 09:52:53 tekojo, slaine: Thanks! will keep trying. Jun 23 09:55:09 tekojo: thanks Jun 23 09:55:33 slaine: no prob Jun 23 09:55:41 Seeing as the plan is for vendors to have their own OBS that syncs with the meego one, will we see a setup guide eventually ? Jun 23 09:56:12 there's one in progress on wiki Jun 23 09:56:16 cool Jun 23 09:58:07 great , us export law does not allow beagleboard to be exported to dubai, waste of time with mouser Jun 23 10:08:37 what's the name of the meego wm? Jun 23 10:09:11 Coke, for what target ? Jun 23 10:09:41 Netbook UX uses Mutter with plugins to provide the various panels and toolbar Jun 23 10:10:36 All other devices are expected to use the Qt MeeGo Touch framework (formaly QUI) Jun 23 10:10:48 DUI, to be exact Jun 23 10:10:53 i wonder who comes up with those names Jun 23 10:10:53 :P Jun 23 10:10:57 Typo Jun 23 10:11:01 people who drive drunk no doubt Jun 23 10:11:03 Stskeeps: looking forward to the document :D Thanks. Jun 23 10:11:13 I had QT's DUI and backspaced, not far enough :) Jun 23 10:11:14 copyleft: what document? Jun 23 10:11:14 :P Jun 23 10:11:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw Jun 23 10:11:48 sx0n: hence my asking of there's a TSG meeting tonight :) Jun 23 10:11:58 Stskeeps: I have no success navigating the official Meego website, how do you find out about these things? Jun 23 10:12:02 Stskeeps: did you mean OBS 1.8 to build MeeGo is in process on wiki? Jun 23 10:12:13 Stskeeps: I'm trying to find a meego touch devel site with repos and such. Jun 23 10:12:26 :) Jun 23 10:12:33 Coke: it's not released yet Jun 23 10:12:55 copyleft: yes Jun 23 10:12:57 hi...does anybody know some details about plain qt support in meego? Jun 23 10:13:08 danielwilms: it's there Jun 23 10:13:11 slaine: they still need a repos tho Jun 23 10:13:19 Doesn't mean they have to be public Jun 23 10:13:21 and a bug tracker Jun 23 10:13:28 slaine: no, but why wouldn't they? Jun 23 10:13:42 slaine: but how is it themed? Jun 23 10:13:45 Part of what I wanted to ask our illustrious leaders Jun 23 10:13:53 slaine: it's madness Jun 23 10:14:04 Nokia did the same with Maemo and PySide Jun 23 10:14:34 Coke: do you mean libmeegotouch? Jun 23 10:14:37 Coke, there's huge gapping holes in MeeGo and the "Public" side of things Jun 23 10:14:47 we've been shouting long and loud Jun 23 10:14:50 slaine: I know. Which is why I'll probably stick with Maemo Jun 23 10:14:50 it'd getting better Jun 23 10:15:07 it's a slow process as they want their "ta daaaa" moment in the sun Jun 23 10:15:22 slaine: I don't think it's possible for suits to understand how things work Jun 23 10:15:31 Not true Jun 23 10:15:35 slaine: enlighten me Jun 23 10:15:57 Coke, you're perfectly cable of educating yourself Jun 23 10:16:04 slaine: they are not exactly gaining favor in the community by shutting it out from early development Jun 23 10:16:13 Absolutely not Jun 23 10:16:25 but we're not their target audience for the big reveal Jun 23 10:16:32 slaine: in fact, PySide got slammed pretty hard, iirc Jun 23 10:16:43 Maemo has had a bumpy road all along Jun 23 10:16:45 slaine: no, but we're the target to SUSTAIN their platform Jun 23 10:16:55 due to suit decisions. Jun 23 10:17:01 otherwise it's just another wince or maemo Jun 23 10:17:15 slaine: yes, maemo isn't good Jun 23 10:17:28 it's about the worst linux dist I've had to run, but afaik it's the only one that runs on a phone Jun 23 10:17:38 Coke: http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework assuming I read your first question right Jun 23 10:17:40 (well, meego too, now i guess) Jun 23 10:17:40 Stskeeps: Great news! I hope I can do something help on that too. :) Jun 23 10:17:41 Nothing is perfect, but we all have to keep trying. It's very tiring, trust me, I know Jun 23 10:17:58 tekojo: is the upcoming maemo ui going to be used in meego? Jun 23 10:18:20 slaine: there's currently not one good mobile platform which sort of bumbs me out Jun 23 10:18:30 bums Jun 23 10:19:11 Coke: well, it's the only place I can find a reference to libmeegotouch on google... Jun 23 10:19:16 * gour thinks meego is (most) promising Jun 23 10:19:34 tekojo: that's amazing. ha! it's in qt's repos, trolltech still delivers Jun 23 10:19:54 it's a Qt based library isn't it? Jun 23 10:20:04 so it should be in there Jun 23 10:20:14 tekojo: nah, loads of projects use qt without putting their stuff in qt's own repos Jun 23 10:20:27 but, it looks as if it's part of Qt dev team Jun 23 10:20:40 true, somewhere someone has said it should be there Jun 23 10:21:01 Good! Jun 23 10:21:11 That's good news. Trolltech dudes still rock'n'roll. Jun 23 10:22:17 Only 7 days to the end of the month Jun 23 10:22:25 Stskeeps: still on track ? :) Jun 23 10:23:35 Man, gitorious is just such a solid site for repos. Jun 23 10:23:51 * w00t_ is increasingly unhappy with it, actually Jun 23 10:23:54 slaine: probably, i'm leaving on saturday for a week so i'm expecting doom ;) Jun 23 10:23:56 w00t_: how come? Jun 23 10:24:41 Coke: not being able to delete spam comments on commits (not my problem, but I've seen someone trying to get that fixed for over two weeks now), not being able to delete a repo - error occurs which is never fixed, support@ being an alias to /dev/null, ... Jun 23 10:25:06 w00t_: i've actually managed to get an answer from support Jun 23 10:25:23 w00t_: you can always download gitorious and fix it Jun 23 10:25:32 Stskeeps: really? I've sent two mails now, one to support@, one to support@ CCing someone from gitorious, and I never heard a thing Jun 23 10:25:36 w00t_: from what I understand they do admit patches Jun 23 10:25:51 Coke: I have enough project ADHD as it is without doing that, and secondly, if I *did* do that, I'd want to talk to someone about the patches first Jun 23 10:26:11 which .. I couldn't do seeing that support@ never replies to me and I never saw someone on IRC in a week apart from gitorious users Jun 23 10:26:30 but this is offtopic here, so I'll stop grumbling :-) Jun 23 10:26:35 w00t_: you could branch it Jun 23 10:26:38 fork it Jun 23 10:26:54 nah, I chose to use gitorious instead due to not wanting to make the aforementioned project ADHD worse Jun 23 10:26:55 Ive been thinking about that too just to add a few features to the wiki :) Jun 23 10:26:59 er Jun 23 10:27:00 *github Jun 23 10:27:38 I wonder if there's any project sites with git, bug tracker and wiki. Jun 23 10:27:40 (plus I really love github's issue tracker. colourful labels! woo!) Jun 23 10:27:45 that would be github Jun 23 10:28:12 Nice. Xorg just crashed. Jun 23 10:28:25 ati = the devils child Jun 23 10:28:31 Coke: see /msg Jun 23 10:29:13 still transferring data from gravatar.com Jun 23 10:29:16 zz Jun 23 10:30:01 That actually looks nice. Jun 23 10:30:12 Is the actual github free? Jun 23 10:30:16 (as in freedom, not beer) Jun 23 10:31:02 iirc *parts* of it are Jun 23 10:31:46 w00t_: go over to the gitorious channel that's where the gitorious people hang out :) Jun 23 10:31:59 and my experience is that they are pretty helpful Jun 23 10:32:02 tekojo: I've been idling there a week Jun 23 10:32:15 and seen nothing but people saying "hey, can I get someone to help me with $x", and nothing coming of it Jun 23 10:32:23 Yeah, IRC isn't as immediate someplaces as youd like sometimes, hehe. Jun 23 10:32:33 w00t_: github only gives 0.3G Jun 23 10:32:35 w00t_: I'm using github in an upstream project... and it really does have some nice +es Jun 23 10:32:38 w00t_: that's 300M Jun 23 10:33:01 gitorious used to lead... now github does :) Jun 23 10:33:11 So far it doesn't look like it. Jun 23 10:33:12 puts some pressure on them ;) Jun 23 10:33:16 yeah that's good tho Jun 23 10:33:24 * slaine really must learn git properly Jun 23 10:33:27 lbt: I hope so :) Jun 23 10:33:29 slaine: !!! Jun 23 10:33:30 w00t_: strange none of the usual suspects over there Jun 23 10:33:34 ok, going home Jun 23 10:33:40 byesies :) Jun 23 10:33:53 tekojo: yeah, I found it odd too Jun 23 10:34:01 slaine: there are some good docs :) Jun 23 10:34:11 it's more a case of using it in anger Jun 23 10:34:20 do some bloody work then ;) Jun 23 10:34:27 so that I know it rather than constantly refering to a cheatsheet Jun 23 10:34:40 we use perforce here in work, (gag) Jun 23 10:34:45 * lbt hides Jun 23 10:35:24 http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ .... Jun 23 10:36:17 I know Jun 23 10:36:37 we've been planing on moving away to something else of ages, always too busy to do so Jun 23 10:36:57 I'll try and resurrect my p4togit work Jun 23 10:36:59 * gour is still satisfied with darcs as no. 1 dvcs Jun 23 10:37:32 http://lol.whygitisbetterthanx.com/ Jun 23 10:50:11 gour: Well, it does work well with pascal ;) Jun 23 10:50:29 lbt: lol ;) Jun 23 10:50:59 lbt: i plan to use qtpascal forr meego dev. ;) Jun 23 10:51:41 wow, is there qtpascal? Jun 23 10:51:52 that would be nostalgic :) Jun 23 10:52:40 rofl Jun 23 10:52:55 ZX-Qt Jun 23 10:53:07 that's a touch interface for you... Jun 23 10:53:31 * lcuk had a lightpen for zx spectrum Jun 23 10:54:11 imagine that - interactive touch interface before i ever used a mouse Jun 23 10:55:04 lcuk: suddenly I feel jealous... Jun 23 10:55:14 i had lightsaber but i ran out of batteries. Jun 23 10:55:45 tekojo, seriously - back then this lightpen was magic, and they used to be cheap Jun 23 10:56:05 lcuk: and I didn't have one... Jun 23 10:56:08 :D Jun 23 10:56:30 * lcuk searches antique markets for one for you Jun 23 10:56:36 I didn't have either :( Jun 23 10:56:39 nes had light gun. Jun 23 10:56:46 yeah Jun 23 10:56:59 crt scanning was uber cool for such things Jun 23 10:57:22 lcuk: they only work on crt displays, which I haven't seen for years Jun 23 10:58:13 i have one, plus nes with light gun. nes does not work very well though. Jun 23 10:58:28 sx0n, at distance it will never be perfect Jun 23 10:58:34 and since nes was played across room.. Jun 23 10:58:51 the lightpen was obviously held to screen and could happily detect the scan Jun 23 10:59:18 wii does it much better now days. Jun 23 10:59:27 i actually keep nes just for bubble bobble and zelda Jun 23 10:59:37 sx0n, get sunlight at side of tv and you have problems still Jun 23 11:00:00 yep Jun 23 11:00:33 old marios are also awesome Jun 23 11:00:39 and flintstones Jun 23 11:01:14 matrixx, we have not played those for long time. Jun 23 11:01:55 yes, we should take a session soon :) Jun 23 11:02:29 hopefully your nes works better than mine. Jun 23 11:03:07 it does ;) Jun 23 11:04:04 i think it's condenrsators or somethings are getting old, those don't work so well that they used to. Jun 23 11:04:40 something that 'old hit in the side' does not fix Jun 23 12:27:50 hey... about meego garage, whats the ID of every application that can be installed? its in the XML, for example: id="705df30f-1a3a-4cf3-9612-88542bea8e07" Jun 23 12:28:10 looks like output from uuidgen Jun 23 12:28:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_Unique_Identifier for further information on what it is and how it is generated, if you're curious Jun 23 12:30:19 Bostik, hm... ok... but if i want to add a new package to the list, what should i use as id? can i just generate a new one and put in the xml? Jun 23 12:31:55 I believe so, although I'd expect those to be automatically generated Jun 23 12:33:00 its because im telling my garage to read from a custom repository Jun 23 12:33:05 so i gota generate my own list Jun 23 12:34:03 ah, in that case just run uuidgen in the script that generates the file description block and use the value; you're virtually guaranteed to never generate a collision Jun 23 12:34:32 ok thanks... what happens if i have a collision? Jun 23 12:34:35 and if you do hit one, there are people in academia who would like to know how you did that :) Jun 23 12:35:11 then two packages are treated as they were the same, afaik Jun 23 13:33:53 I have some strange problem with zypper... I don't understand why I can't install software. Jun 23 13:33:59 what device? Jun 23 13:34:05 Here is how it looks like: http://pastebin.com/XC8ZN5YN Jun 23 13:34:45 Stskeeps: It's chroot... Jun 23 13:35:06 there's a bug in zypper causing armv7l fetches to fail. report as a bug if there isn't one in the first place Jun 23 13:40:35 I have some similar with yum also... Jun 23 13:40:47 hmm :P Jun 23 13:40:51 resolv.conf being OK? Jun 23 13:41:36 Stskeeps: wget works fine... ;) Jun 23 13:41:46 that is a bit awkward indeed :) Jun 23 13:42:08 I will check with yum again... Jun 23 13:44:43 Here is how it looks like with yum: http://pastebin.com/WYwcQgiw Jun 23 13:45:02 And I see that there is tcpdump package in repo... Jun 23 13:56:09 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/ Jun 23 14:00:45 Hopefully that means they'll release something I actually want to buy. Jun 23 14:01:47 * w00t_ hands GAN900 a daily optimism booster shot. :P Jun 23 14:04:49 heheheh Jun 23 14:05:05 it wouldn't be GAN900 without the piss and vinegar Jun 23 14:05:08 :P Jun 23 14:09:47 Unfortunately it seems unlikely they'll ship anything resistive. Jun 23 14:10:30 resistive screens are falling out of favour just about everywhere Jun 23 14:10:31 fashion Jun 23 14:19:22 I am running meego setup on my laptop with Ubuntu 9.10 Jun 23 14:19:25 Which makes me sad Jun 23 14:19:34 then see blank color black window. Jun 23 14:19:43 and unlikely to purchase much in the way of future mobile devices. Jun 23 14:20:12 Consumers are stupid and Apple's RDF is super strong Jun 23 14:20:16 My Dell laptop has Nvidia graphics card in it.. can someone help me how to fix this black emulator issue??? Jun 23 15:02:42 GAN900: what's the acronym for RDF? Jun 23 15:03:34 GAN900: that looked funny on text: Jun 23 15:03:36 15:19 < sanjay> I am running meego setup on my laptop with Ubuntu 9.10 Jun 23 15:03:36 15:19 < GAN900> Which makes me sad Jun 23 15:03:44 Rich Document Format? Jun 23 15:03:44 GAN900: ^^ :-) Jun 23 15:04:04 Resource Description Framework Jun 23 15:04:10 infobot! Jun 23 15:04:15 ~rdf Jun 23 15:04:17 rumour has it, rdf is Reality Distortion Field, the device Steve Jobs uses to make apple products look more shiny than they really are Jun 23 15:07:52 GAN900: ahhah so true Jun 23 15:08:00 GAN900: have you seen iRaq ? Jun 23 15:09:29 sigh, another TSG meeting out Jun 23 15:09:31 sivang: That is made of a disturbing amount of lulz ;) Jun 23 15:10:05 slaine: sorry about that Jun 23 15:11:02 DawnFoster: no worries Jun 23 15:11:13 I've missed the last few due to work and was looking forward to tonights Jun 23 15:12:31 the TSGs are a bit difficult to organize. Busy schedules, etc. Jun 23 15:13:50 DawnFoster: nod Jun 23 15:14:18 I always feel really bad about rescheduling at the last minute. Jun 23 15:14:31 last minute?! Jun 23 15:14:32 pah Jun 23 15:14:41 there's still plenty of time until 1900 UTC ;-) Jun 23 15:15:00 Myrtti - good point - that's *hours* of notice :) Jun 23 15:16:07 I don't have trouble if something is rescheduled hours before to be later. I have trouble if something is rescheduled to be earlier. or if I get an invitation to something that requires more than 10min of preparation less than three days in advance Jun 23 15:17:34 that's one of the reasons I hate Facebook events, everyone gets a bright idea of doing an event and invites me to attend a day or at best few hours before, to a place that requires me to travel 1/2h - 2hours Jun 23 15:40:20 does meego boots from formated sd card with ext3 filesystem on N900? Jun 23 15:40:35 or it should formated as ex2? Jun 23 15:42:03 ext3 is ext2 + journal Jun 23 15:42:08 mounts as ext2 if needed Jun 23 16:10:24 rawr Jun 23 16:10:31 * CosmoHill smashes Rocks Cliuster Jun 23 16:59:14 hey... in garage_data.xml can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too Jun 23 17:51:44 where are the sources for chrome-meego-extension? I can't find them in gitorious Jun 23 17:53:22 you probably won't find them Jun 23 17:53:28 chrome is closed source Jun 23 17:53:37 chromium is the open source version Jun 23 18:01:39 CosmoHill: that package consists only of shell and javascripts Jun 23 18:01:52 it's the "stuff to plug chromium into meego" package, nothing special Jun 23 18:19:38 hey... in garage_data.xml can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too Jun 23 18:22:10 why does keeping an unused dependency gives problems? Jun 23 18:26:20 after booting meego on my N900 I only see a black screen Jun 23 18:26:43 I've installed it from this instruction http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Jun 23 18:33:08 mh, I've got Moblin 2.1 installed on a netbook, now i try to isntall meego 1.0 vai usb stick, but it gives me a "bug in initramfs /init detected. dropping to a shell." when i say installation Jun 23 18:45:57 anyone? Jun 23 18:46:27 no meeting again tonight? Jun 23 18:50:43 lbt: delayed to next week, announced on the ML earlier today Jun 23 18:50:52 ah, OK Jun 23 18:52:07 hmm, not a lot of explanation there Jun 23 18:54:36 lbt, never is. :P Jun 23 18:54:55 I guess something big next week then.... Jun 23 18:55:14 which means the entire meeting will be taken up by it Jun 23 18:55:36 and we essentially won't have a TSG for, what? 5 weeks? Jun 23 18:56:39 seems a bit poorly done, yes. I'd think it would be better to have two meetings, one for regular business, and one for the upcoming big news that probably delayed it Jun 23 18:57:00 wth? Jun 23 18:57:13 i'm assuming big news == "the release of Handset?" Jun 23 18:57:33 who knows, this is just speculation Jun 23 18:57:41 shhh.... you'll spoil the big reveal Jun 23 18:58:03 *rolls-eyes* Jun 23 18:58:28 damned execs Jun 23 18:59:46 * lbt listens very carefully and hears an echo in the air that seems to have a finnish accent: "They had a big reveal about their UI; damned if we're not having one too!" Jun 23 19:02:36 i really hope we can get past these big reveals Jun 23 19:03:09 i see lots of enthusiasm systematically killed off by what amount to repeated slippings on banana peels Jun 23 19:03:34 fingers crossed it really is just Nokia playing catch up at the "PR points" level Jun 23 19:06:24 Hola folks. Two questions: Are there any existing phones that currently support/are shipped with MeeGo? Secondly, I've noticed that MeeGo does not support ATI/Nvidia chipsets, to my surprise- why? The second point just baffles me. Jun 23 19:07:07 justanick: no phones yet, and no linux distro supports ati/nvidia out of the box as their drivers are not open Jun 23 19:07:32 Maybe because Nvidia uses its own ARM CPU and ATI uses AMD? Jun 23 19:07:34 no effort has been put forth to bring in the nouveaux or whatever open ATi driver there is Jun 23 19:07:36 ATI drivers are open Jun 23 19:07:52 lbt: iirc, the open ATI driver is inferior to their closed driver Jun 23 19:08:12 * lbt rephrases.... perfectly good open ATI drivers exist Jun 23 19:08:20 Ohhhhhhhh! Okay. I misunderstood then. I thought it meant that neither the nouveaue/radeon/radeonhd nor closed proprietary drivers were supported. Jun 23 19:08:24 Phew. Jun 23 19:08:29 and with the focus on netbooks at the moment, I don't know of any target hardware Jun 23 19:08:31 justanick: they're not Jun 23 19:08:46 I Jun 23 19:08:52 justanick: limited support at the moment.... Jun 23 19:09:15 the focus appears to be on making it work for some specific HW targets Jun 23 19:09:37 *I'm a bit lost then. So the closed drivers can be installed on MeeGo? This is all that I am curious about. Jun 23 19:09:40 it'll be interesting once we get community access to an OBS and open the core OBS too Jun 23 19:10:22 * lbt knows nothing about support for closed drivers Jun 23 19:10:39 I thought it was just simply not allowed, or something to that effect. My heart stopped reading this on the website for a minute there. Plan to get a MeeGo phone and toss it on a Netbook eventually. Jun 23 19:10:50 Ahhh... Hmmm. Jun 23 19:11:24 I think the line is : MeeGo is an open project... it won't be developing closed drivers Jun 23 19:11:36 OTOH what vendors do with MeeGo is their business Jun 23 19:11:37 No no. I understand that. Was far from expecting that of MeeGo. Jun 23 19:11:41 Maybe I should rephrase. Jun 23 19:11:57 And you are not buying your gadget from an open project. You are buying it from a vendor. Jun 23 19:12:00 * RST38h cackles evilly Jun 23 19:12:21 and if you want MeeGo to work with your open HW ... you're welcome to try :) Jun 23 19:12:27 (we'll help) Jun 23 19:12:29 Granted that a netbook is sporting some supported chipset/gpu (ie: Nvidia 9800 mobile), there is nothing preventing a user from just installing the Nvidia proprietary drivers (not necessarily from the package manager... Let's say compiled from source), yes? Jun 23 19:12:54 Wunderbar lbt :) Much thanks. Jun 23 19:13:29 be warned... it's real hard at the moment to get the info you'll need Jun 23 19:13:48 the core OBS is closed until we can resolve some ACL issues Jun 23 19:14:05 Sounds rather ominous... Jun 23 19:14:09 nah Jun 23 19:14:12 ACL? Access list? Jun 23 19:14:32 yes Jun 23 19:14:49 access control list Jun 23 19:14:54 Dammit. I can't wait to learn programming a bit more so I can start helping the devs out with this sort of muck. Jun 23 19:15:29 So there's an ACL issue with MeeGo in particular? Hmmm. Jun 23 19:16:13 justanick: no Jun 23 19:16:48 Oh. OH. I think I got you then :) Jun 23 19:16:53 Durr. Jun 23 19:17:31 missing feature in the OBS which has now been developed but not deployed Jun 23 19:19:03 Well, either way, thank you for the help and answers. Cheers :) Jun 23 19:33:03 just watched the prealpha of the tablet version, looks pretty cool, was wondering, there is a facebook widget. is this also gonna go into the normal meego version? Jun 23 19:33:27 i really mis a handy facebook widget Jun 23 19:39:33 Anyone got skype to install on meeego 1.0 ? Jun 23 19:40:36 yup, download fedora version, install via rpm -ivh, done. Jun 23 19:50:47 TSCHAKWerk tells me there's no option -i ? Jun 23 19:51:18 ... Jun 23 19:51:23 you're using the wrong tool Jun 23 19:51:27 use rpm Jun 23 19:51:34 damn, was using yum, sry Jun 23 19:51:53 * TSCHAKWerk thwaps Votan on the head :P Jun 23 19:52:23 TSCHAKWerk work, cheers mate :> Jun 23 19:52:26 worked* Jun 23 19:52:35 good. Jun 23 19:57:46 it's generally better to use "yum localinstall" than "rpm -i" Jun 23 19:57:56 yum localinstall will also resolve dependencies and download needed pieces for you Jun 23 20:00:26 arjan well whatever software i tried to install failed using yum localinstall with a timeout of some adobe mirror o.0 ? Jun 23 20:14:11 hey... in package garage-client-services, i changed the file /usr/share/garage-client-services/data/config.ini but the one in user folder ~/.config/garage-client-services/config.ini is still the old one, even after a reboot... how can i fix this? Jun 23 20:41:22 nite alll, sweet dreams Jun 23 20:45:25 hi, after flashing meego kernel onto n900 with option -f is it possible to get old kernel to boot into maemo? Jun 23 20:45:34 yup Jun 23 20:45:53 download the Maemo image and flash it Jun 23 20:46:22 you can find information in maemo.org's pages. There's a link to "how to flash your device" from the pages explaining how to install the rootshell. Jun 23 20:47:32 yes but i only want to reflash kernel, is it possible? Jun 23 20:47:57 flash the entire image Jun 23 20:48:08 or, rather, the rootfs Jun 23 20:57:23 uff, got it working, thanks :) Jun 23 21:04:01 ~flashing Jun 23 21:04:03 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 23 21:05:08 tablet? :-) Jun 23 21:07:12 thiago_home, yes, we have internet tablets Jun 23 21:18:45 thiago_home, meh. Jun 23 21:18:56 It's redirected from a number of articles. Jun 23 21:19:09 Lot of Google inertia behind that one. Jun 23 21:21:20 is it safe to change repo from 1.0 to daily builds? Jun 23 21:27:07 zs: about as safe as peeing on a electric fence Jun 23 21:27:08 :P Jun 23 21:27:45 I mean is it working :P Jun 23 21:27:57 pee on it and find out Jun 23 21:28:20 hey there. someone piqued my interest in meego by posting a video of a pre-alpha tablet :) Jun 23 21:28:36 and now i'm all eager to hear whether libSDL is, or will be, part of the stack? Jun 23 21:28:57 (i've written a number of games and such, most famously, "Tux Paint", using SDL) Jun 23 21:29:33 (Tux Paint having been ported to a couple of Maemo platforms in the past... not by me, though :) ) Jun 23 21:29:35 kendrick: SDL can be installed, just like most other Linux packages Jun 23 21:29:41 but it's not "MeeGo API" Jun 23 21:30:01 is this the thiago who i probably knew from #kde? :) Jun 23 21:30:11 Stskeeps: how's your hayfever? Jun 23 21:30:11 yes, same one Jun 23 21:30:14 hey hey! Jun 23 21:30:33 kendrick: I just installed Tux Paint on my meego netbook (I was testing installations) :) Jun 23 21:30:44 SDL is probably not a bad idea if you're going to make a full-screen app Jun 23 21:30:47 ok. well, i have no idea wheather SDL was "part of" Maemo, either. but i'm happy that there's a possibility to (probably relatively easily?) get something like TUx Paint running on MeeGo Jun 23 21:30:58 DawnFoster - seriously?! cool! photo!? :) Jun 23 21:31:13 kendrick: Tux Paint is actually in the meego garage Jun 23 21:31:49 i, uh, err... what's that? :) Jun 23 21:31:53 So, it's easily installed. My only issue is that the window doesn't resize & I can't get to the buttons on the bottom. Jun 23 21:32:25 Oh, it's a MeeGo installation client with some open source application preloaded to make it easy for novice users to install things Jun 23 21:32:31 Dawn - You can do one of two things: (1) ask it to run in a specific resolution (via config file or command-line options) or (2) ask it to run in the current desktop resolution ("native" option, that only works with fullscreen mode) Jun 23 21:32:50 it needs min 640px wide by min 480px tall at the moment. Jun 23 21:33:10 CosmoHill: horrible as usual Jun 23 21:33:21 what resolution is the device you're testing on? Jun 23 21:34:01 and is it a touchscreen? we just realized (due to someone prepping tux paint for use in an art museum) that the shape rotation feature only works with something that supports drag w/o click (e.g., mouse, trackball or stylus... and NOT touchscreen) Jun 23 21:34:12 man, how exciting :) Jun 23 21:34:44 it's a Toshiba NB 305 netbook (no touchscreen) Jun 23 21:34:46 i ended up with a free android phone recently, but have been drooling over the Nokia N900, and now i see things seem to be getting even cooler and more exciting in this area of linux :) Jun 23 21:35:15 Stskeeps: if hayfever was human it would be trying to kill me at the moment Jun 23 21:35:36 i popped by sternum out sneezing 40x in a row due to allergies a few years back. hasn't been right since :( Jun 23 21:35:50 DanwFoster - internet tells me: "internal resolution : 1,024 x 600 " Jun 23 21:36:14 so that's confusing... Jun 23 21:36:35 maybe that's not precisely the model you have. Jun 23 21:36:44 nah, it's running lower than that - hang on, I'll check Jun 23 21:37:04 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/toshiba-mini-nb305-review/ and http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/product/Toshiba-NB305-106/1079909/toshibaShop/false/ both said 1024x600 :) Jun 23 21:37:23 by default tux paint tries to run in 800x600 these days. Jun 23 21:37:51 unless you tell it otherwise (either specifically, or by asking it to use the display's current rez via "--fullscreen --native" for example) Jun 23 21:38:15 is there anything that we could add to 'upstream' to help make it easier to build for MeeGo? Jun 23 21:38:42 electric fence? where? Jun 23 21:39:18 we have some old "#ifdef NOKIA_770" stuff in the code, and a "maemo/" folder (with nothing more than a "debian/" subfolder and some packaging-related files, I guess?) Jun 23 21:39:43 oh SHOOT, that reminds me. i've got some Sugar patches i need to apply. Jun 23 21:40:18 my day job's been super busy lately, and i have a very active 3.5yo son, so my tux paint hacking time is near nil nowadays Jun 23 21:40:38 kendrick: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/4728713560/ Jun 23 21:40:47 (Tux Paint on MeeGo netbook) Jun 23 21:41:25 I thought you physically painted a netbook for a moment Jun 23 21:42:09 heh, yeah. ego-browsing i often find people talking about 'tux paint' horses, or things (e.g., a car) with a 'tux paint job' Jun 23 21:42:31 so Dawn - you'll want to specify 1024x(600-taskbar_height) Jun 23 21:42:33 kendrick, and you are absolutely right about my screen resolution - it just looks lower to me Jun 23 21:43:12 if you're in a 600px tall system, and you want to run tux paint in 600px tall window, you'll need either (a) fullscreen or (b) turn off window manager titlebar ;) Jun 23 21:43:36 kendrick - where do I specify config options? Jun 23 21:44:10 you can do it on the command-line (e.g., "tuxpaint --fullscreen --native" or "tuxpaint --1024x480") Jun 23 21:44:22 kendrick: here's the info on developing for meego: http://meego.com/developers/ Jun 23 21:44:26 or in a config file (on Linux, either "~/.tuxpaintrc" or "/etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf" IIRC) Jun 23 21:44:36 don't tempt me ;) Jun 23 21:45:15 oh, and anyway, the config versions of those options would be: fullscreen=yes native=yes windowsize=1024x480 Jun 23 21:46:13 * kendrick is eager to see this meego stuff unfold. but i'm out of mobile dev at the moment (company i was working for bailed out RIGHT as iPhone was opening up... dumbasses :) ) Jun 23 21:46:29 as CTO of Smashwords.com, though, i'll say Meego needs lots of ebook readers ;) Jun 23 21:46:31 Maybe minor changes for a MeeGo build with options that run better for netbooks (hint) Jun 23 21:47:57 ok, speaking of which, i need to get back to work :) Jun 23 21:48:23 i can (occasionally) be found in #tux4kids btw. Jun 23 21:48:25 kendrick: thanks for popping in - great talking to you Jun 23 21:48:26 thanks dawn! :) cool stuff Jun 23 21:48:47 yeah, keep in touch. i'm happy to accept patches or suggestions on ways to make things install smoother 'out of the box' on all platforms that tux paint supports Jun 23 21:48:56 i don't like platform ports languishing just because i release a new version of tux paint ;) Jun 23 21:49:09 * kendrick coughs at the 5yo OS/2 build Jun 23 21:49:16 ok, cya! Jun 23 21:49:19 :) Jun 23 21:49:56 i swear hayfever is affecting my typing :( Jun 23 21:50:05 oh you guys know I'm building a cluster Jun 23 21:50:16 two nodes where DOA and a third physically blow up Jun 23 22:27:04 DawnFoster, so, did you end up peeing on the fence? Jun 23 22:27:51 we had electric fences as a kid & girls know better than that anyway :) Jun 23 22:28:18 actually, I stick to the mainstream releases and updates, since I answer a lot of questions in the forums Jun 23 22:28:36 it's easier if I have the same build as most people Jun 23 22:28:43 yeah, tis sensible Jun 23 22:28:51 * lcuk missed discussion - football etc ;) Jun 23 22:29:27 We have TVs in the office, and I've never seen anyone actually watch them except during the world cup Jun 23 22:29:49 yeah its a distraction normally, but with so many people joining in its odd Jun 23 22:29:51 They actually made people stop watching certain TVs because they were too disruptive (cheers / groans) Jun 23 22:29:53 DawnFoster: during world series they got used too Jun 23 22:29:58 they set up viewing areas on the cafe Jun 23 22:30:01 i had to go pick jake up 10mins before the end of our match - roads were dead Jun 23 22:30:08 lcuk: he Jun 23 22:30:16 tomorrow .nl is going to be shut down for 2 hours Jun 23 22:30:26 stores will close early, busses and trains just stop, etc etc Jun 23 22:30:40 lol, my missus was debating mid afterrnoon beers Jun 23 22:32:07 Is there a known bug where the touchpad stops working (in meego 1.0) right when the dashboard etc. shows home screen shows up? Jun 23 23:14:45 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010