**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 26 02:59:57 2010 Jun 26 03:07:45 is there a working N800 port? Jun 26 03:09:45 Stskeeps, I was told you were a good person to ask about this, if you have time. Jun 26 03:26:49 hi all, can I install the Meego_SDK onto a running Meego system? Jun 26 04:09:50 screen -d Jun 26 07:37:44 nokia said that 30th june meegoo will be available on N900 with GUI Jun 26 07:38:00 is it right bro? Jun 26 07:58:29 Morning, all Jun 26 07:59:13 nguyenchau: 30th June seems to be the release of the Handset UX. The N900 is a reference platform for MeeGo on ARM, so - yes, MeeGo Handset UX should be installable on to an N900 then. What you'll be able to *do* is unclear Jun 26 08:00:02 can i PM you Jaffa? Jun 26 08:00:22 nguyenchau: Sure, if you want. Not sure what wouldn't be public, though Jun 26 08:09:25 make phone calls? :) Jun 26 08:24:01 tmzt: One'd *hope* so Jun 26 08:26:42 morning Jun 26 08:29:22 lbt! Jun 26 08:29:47 o/ Jun 26 08:31:31 * lbt wonders what is on the cards for today... Jun 26 08:31:50 maybe opening up the OBS to a beta group at last? Jun 26 09:02:53 yeah just so you know guys. ive never had more problems in my life when trying to install a linux distro Jun 26 09:02:59 i gace up in the end Jun 26 09:03:02 gave Jun 26 09:03:19 and now im using a mint live disc trying to restore a corrupted hdd Jun 26 09:09:53 mint, are you talking about meego or what? Jun 26 09:10:14 yep Jun 26 09:10:27 not trying to be rude just thought you should know Jun 26 09:10:36 i could write a few paragraphs about my problems Jun 26 09:10:52 what happened? Jun 26 09:10:56 i'm user as you, so i don't really care, just wanted maybe to help you Jun 26 09:11:06 pupnik, \o/ Jun 26 09:11:37 mint: FYI meego isn't really ready for non-expert install yet.. if it doesn't "just work" then you may find it challenging Jun 26 09:11:56 Just work? i have been using linux for over 10 years Jun 26 09:12:08 i was seriously surprised Jun 26 09:12:52 no details here Jun 26 09:13:43 so what happened mint? Jun 26 09:18:55 couldnt get the live disc to boot. np. tried the intaller. installer wouldnt let me boot from a btrfs HD, np, except, it also said i HAD to ue a btrfs partition. so thats where i got stuck. np, EVENTUALLY got it to install to an ext3 partition (no ext4? no reiser?) great. THEN it froze during the grub install., Jun 26 09:19:06 rebooted and i was met with a grub rescue screen Jun 26 09:19:18 and this is only valid points. a lot more went wrong Jun 26 09:19:48 what to do when u need a btrfs to install yet cant boot of one Jun 26 09:20:07 grub2 can be confusing Jun 26 09:20:20 it usually means it's not installed correctly Jun 26 09:20:49 well grub was fine it was its assiciated files on the boot partition that never got copied over Jun 26 09:21:22 those are part of grub Jun 26 09:21:30 if grub2 fell back to grub-rescue it's not working Jun 26 09:21:47 and you can't read btr, even readonly assuming a module even exists Jun 26 09:21:54 you need an ext3 boot fs if you can't boot from the rootfs Jun 26 09:23:50 it wouldnt let me install to anything but a btrfs Jun 26 09:24:02 yet it wouldnt let me boot off it either Jun 26 09:24:31 so you need a /boot partition Jun 26 09:24:35 which is what thiago_home said Jun 26 09:27:15 ok well apologies. i do not know aNYTHING about grub2 Jun 26 09:27:47 I don't think that's specific about grub2 Jun 26 09:28:05 so i should create a btrfs partition as / an ext3 as /boot and a swap partition Jun 26 09:30:53 and BTW the live disc did boot, just no x, i could ctrl-alt-f1 to a terminal Jun 26 09:31:23 but this was useless at it switched back to x every 5 seconds so i didnt even have time to type the password Jun 26 09:43:41 how big should the /boot partition be? im gonna go have another shot at an install Jun 26 09:51:13 any one has installed meego 1.0 on emachines?? Jun 26 10:12:17 hi ZogG :) Jun 26 10:12:25 havin a good day? Jun 26 11:01:14 how big should a /boot partition be? Jun 26 12:02:10 pupnik actually i'm having bad month =) Jun 26 12:26:37 wow NeoReader is really fast Jun 26 13:52:03 oh hello Jun 26 13:52:11 so what do we know about the handset features? Jun 26 13:56:16 me? nothing Jun 26 13:58:43 Hi. I'd like to install "bzr" on freenode, but I can't find it (yum search bzr) Jun 26 13:58:48 any suggestion? Jun 26 14:00:25 what is bzr and how would you install it onto an IRC network? Jun 26 14:01:05 did I say freenode? Jun 26 14:01:06 oops :) Jun 26 14:01:06 meego Jun 26 14:01:16 Hi. I'd like to install "bzr" on Meego, but I can't find it (yum search bzr) Jun 26 14:01:23 bzr is bazaar Jun 26 14:01:42 it's like hg or git Jun 26 14:01:45 hmm Jun 26 14:01:52 try "yum search bazaar" Jun 26 14:02:09 no matches foud Jun 26 14:02:11 found Jun 26 14:02:18 I'm wondering how to add other sources Jun 26 14:02:27 if there's other sources Jun 26 14:02:38 could you get an rpm and install it? Jun 26 14:02:43 or compile from source? Jun 26 14:03:19 Well, usually, bazaar and other tools like mercurial are available Jun 26 14:15:57 back, sorry, some network problems Jun 26 14:16:26 So, I was wondering if there's a way to activate some extra repo with development tools like mercurial, bazaar, ... Jun 26 14:16:26 meego repos don't contain everything Jun 26 14:16:39 you usually don't develop in meego... Jun 26 14:17:27 I don't want to develop, I just want to build a program for meego Jun 26 14:18:09 paul420: git, cvs and svn are present, I guess that accounts for the majority of source repositories nowadays... Jun 26 14:18:27 Aard: not bzr :/ Jun 26 14:18:49 but it's ok, I'm going to build my app on another linux box Jun 26 14:19:04 well, I know bzr exists, but I've never had to use it Jun 26 14:20:07 Another question Jun 26 14:20:16 Moblin was based on Firefox Jun 26 14:20:41 I liked the Moblin browser Jun 26 14:21:08 Do you think in the future Meego will be based on Firefox again? Jun 26 14:21:24 MeeGo has different browsers to choose from Jun 26 14:21:37 There's Firefox, Fennec, Chrome, Chromium and possibly more Jun 26 14:21:43 paul420: what do you mean by `based on'? Jun 26 14:22:19 Aard: not based on, "well integrated" Jun 26 14:23:08 browsers show webpages Jun 26 14:23:15 which, by definition, are completely not integrated Jun 26 14:24:13 you can see the tabs in the "internet" panel Jun 26 14:24:58 that's what I mean by "well integrated" Jun 26 14:25:02 I guess he's talking more about integration into the user experience, and yes, at least fennec (which is a firefox browser) will be. there are already qt builds in the daily repo Jun 26 14:25:21 Aard: awesome Jun 26 14:25:26 How can I try that? Jun 26 14:26:03 how stable is the "daily rep"? Jun 26 14:26:27 I wouldn't count on it Jun 26 14:26:30 adding that repo should work: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/ia32/packages/ Jun 26 14:26:38 don't ask me, I'm not an enduser Jun 26 14:26:56 I'm not an enduser too Jun 26 14:27:47 ready to crash my distro :) Jun 26 14:28:23 I meant I'm working with that repo, but I'm only seing the parts that are relevant to my packages, so I can't tell you much about stability Jun 26 14:45:29 how do I switch to the daily repo? Jun 26 14:46:57 there should be something like repos.d or yum.repos.d somewhere in /etc or /etc/yum*. can't tell exactly, I'm usually pulling in the new packages when creating new images Jun 26 16:20:23 lbt, OBS beta, count me in Jun 26 17:01:27 is localization of MeeGo started or not? I can't see any .po file on Transifex? Jun 26 17:09:35 Aranel: I think they are still in the process of migrating to Transifex. More details here: http://wiki.meego.com/Localization_team Jun 26 17:11:00 DawnFoster: thank you :) Jun 26 17:13:10 random question: how much does it cost an american to go to university a year? Jun 26 17:13:43 CosmoHill, depends Jun 26 17:14:04 friend just said his sister spends $50K a year Jun 26 17:14:06 On your state, whether the school is private or public, etc. Jun 26 17:14:21 $30k-60k for private Jun 26 17:14:36 $10-$20 for public Jun 26 17:14:42 wow Jun 26 17:14:44 Or less depending on the state Jun 26 17:15:21 For instance Florida students who do well in high school get tuition paid at any public university in state. Jun 26 17:15:33 mine is $4800 a year, that doesn't include accommodation or food Jun 26 17:15:44 Or the equivalent of a public tuition at a private school Jun 26 17:15:56 Those numbers include room and board. Jun 26 17:16:16 I live at home :) Jun 26 17:16:46 CosmoHill, given the size of the US and extreme variation in legislation from state to state, it's hard to give specific numbers on issues like this. ;) Jun 26 17:21:46 my significant other pays $11k/yr - in theory Jun 26 17:22:04 in practice a big chunk of that goes away thanks to scolarship Jun 26 17:22:15 but then, we're also not in the US Jun 26 17:22:47 (and she's also a foreign student anyway, meaning she pays more, to confuse things more.. I'll be quiet now) Jun 26 17:23:40 hehe Jun 26 17:24:17 looking at a uni atm Jun 26 17:24:29 EU and scotish students don't have to pay any tutition fees Jun 26 17:24:51 if you're from the rest of the UK to have to pay £1800 ish which is half of any other UK uni Jun 26 17:25:08 England, Wales and NI being £3225 a year Jun 26 17:25:26 right, she's from the EEC but not the EU Jun 26 17:25:30 then, it goes up Jun 26 17:25:32 (a lot) Jun 26 17:25:46 yes Jun 26 17:26:06 I think unis have a cap for UK and EU students Jun 26 17:26:16 but there isn't a cap for how much they can charge non-EU students Jun 26 17:27:10 what is she studying? Jun 26 17:27:39 CosmoHill, well, if you come to the US the women will be all over you. :P Jun 26 17:28:03 hehehe Jun 26 17:28:07 just finished a BSc, starting MEng next (study) year Jun 26 17:28:16 ooo Jun 26 17:28:19 but what in? Jun 26 17:28:57 she's a geek, like me Jun 26 17:29:17 -.- Jun 26 17:29:51 and the subject that she has a BSc in is....? Jun 26 17:30:32 nothing, yet.. waiting on the results to come back :) Jun 26 17:30:40 but as I hinted, comp. sci Jun 26 17:30:47 ooo Jun 26 17:30:56 I'll have to see if i can beat her :p Jun 26 17:33:05 brik: ^^ Jun 26 17:33:10 you have competition Jun 26 17:33:59 she's in the channel? cool Jun 26 17:34:14 auke is the last person in my user list cos there's so many people in here :/ Jun 26 17:34:55 * w00t_ doesn't have a user list Jun 26 17:35:49 * lbt is using a decent client and can see _al_ to zs Jun 26 17:36:04 i can scroll Jun 26 17:36:18 but I'm using a mighty mouse so i can't scroll back up :/ Jun 26 17:36:18 lbt: client? :-) Jun 26 17:36:30 konversation ... it's pretty good Jun 26 17:36:42 oh :-( Jun 26 17:37:02 I'm using Xchat aqua Jun 26 17:37:06 it's as old as my powerbook :o Jun 26 17:37:09 I would have a very hard time using a GUI client ever again, if I was going to use one, it'd probably be quassel Jun 26 17:37:27 w00t_: irsse + screen + ssh? Jun 26 17:37:35 CosmoHill: that's what I use now, yes Jun 26 17:37:46 it's a popular combo Jun 26 17:42:59 CosmoHill, Adium 1.5 Jun 26 17:43:06 damn you Jun 26 17:43:11 I can't go above 1.3 Jun 26 17:43:21 Ah, 10.3? Jun 26 17:43:27 10.4 tiger Jun 26 17:43:39 Upgrade to 10.5 already Jun 26 17:43:49 maybe someday Jun 26 17:44:19 any different in performace cos I've heard 10.5 isn't as good as 10.4 on powerpc Jun 26 17:47:14 Ehh Jun 26 17:47:15 Dunno Jun 26 17:47:21 Felt better on my dual G5 Jun 26 17:47:34 But then it killed itself, so I dunno. Jun 26 17:48:43 were you the person who managed to get a mac pro cos the G5 watercooling leaked? Jun 26 17:48:48 Yeah Jun 26 17:48:55 :3 Jun 26 17:48:59 Only took me 4 months Jun 26 17:49:08 and about two dozen phonecalls. Jun 26 17:49:36 apple support are okay, they're based in england or ireland (for me) Jun 26 17:49:48 Demon support sucks Jun 26 17:50:00 some guy in india reading a script off a screen Jun 26 17:50:29 "have you tried updating your router's firmware?" "How do you suggest I do that without internet -.-" Jun 26 18:53:35 do you know what would confuse me the most about using atom processor Jun 26 18:54:15 the ability to put it on my bear legs without burning myself Jun 26 18:54:30 or the inability to feel the heat from the underside of the desk Jun 26 18:57:11 you put a processor on your leg? Jun 26 18:57:34 i meant a computer with an atom processor Jun 26 18:57:45 :-) Jun 26 18:57:50 I have a powerbook which is 55C atm Jun 26 19:29:25 CosmoHill, buy an N900. Jun 26 19:29:41 Atom is a joke compared to a real mobile CPU. Jun 26 19:30:24 i think an N900 might cost more :/ Jun 26 19:31:56 GAN900: Seen email about MyNokia? Jun 26 19:46:57 Jaffa, later than this morning (EDT)? Jun 26 19:52:38 Jaffa: if you ever find out who was responsible for that, do me a favour and burn them at the stake, please? Jun 26 19:56:06 Jaffa, ah, no. Jun 26 19:56:41 Jaffa, count my silence as an agreement on all points. Jun 26 20:00:54 GAN900: OK, cool Jun 26 20:01:05 w00t_: Watch the council blog in about 10 minutes Jun 26 20:01:14 Jaffa: I await with eager anticipation Jun 26 20:01:19 as always :) Jun 26 20:07:46 w00t_: http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_response_to_mynokia_subscription_in_pr1-2/ Jun 26 20:10:12 * w00t_ clicks Jun 26 20:10:41 Jaffa, can you style the quote somehow? Jun 26 20:10:46 Italics? Indent? Jun 26 20:10:59
? Jun 26 20:11:31 GAN900: Indented now. blockquotes are unstyled on the CSS Jun 26 20:11:48 Italics looked shit. I've put in some quote marks. Jun 26 20:11:57 The maemo.org CSS is really a bit crap for long blocks of text. Jun 26 20:13:07 that response is a bit lacking, as you note :P Jun 26 20:13:21 Yeah Jun 26 20:14:06 I'd put it somewhere between a spit in the face and a brushing off on the intern. Jun 26 20:14:18 Unbelievableness-wise Jun 26 20:16:06 * w00t_ also notes that his computer doesn't force him to subscribe to the manufacturer's latest spam^Wadvertising Jun 26 20:17:28 * suihkulokki thinks people are on the wrong channel Jun 26 20:21:36 * brik waves at CosmoHill Jun 26 20:23:34 * CosmoHill waves at brik Jun 26 20:26:05 you done with bsc too then? Jun 26 20:26:12 I've just written a nice script that goes through /etc/hosts and ejects Jun 26 20:26:19 I've just finished my 2nd year Jun 26 20:26:41 comp sci? Jun 26 20:26:47 yep Jun 26 20:27:08 enjoying it so far? :) Jun 26 20:27:18 depends on the month Jun 26 20:27:24 heheh :P Jun 26 20:27:24 and how much is due Jun 26 20:27:31 yeah Jun 26 20:27:44 my uni is evil like that Jun 26 20:27:47 I'm so pissy when there is 4 weeks left and I still have no idea what I'm doing or what they want Jun 26 20:28:03 this year I handed one coursework in on time Jun 26 20:28:06 sounds like work Jun 26 20:28:08 the rest had group extentions Jun 26 20:28:13 they deliberately make sure that all our assignments are due in the same week Jun 26 20:28:23 thiago_home: I finished uni at 11:55am on the 1st of june Jun 26 20:28:28 half the time I don't understand what the MeeGo people want :-) Jun 26 20:28:33 I don't go back until late semptmber :d Jun 26 20:28:39 the other half, I don't understand what the Symbian people want Jun 26 20:28:59 haha Jun 26 20:29:29 CosmoHill: is this a bad time to tell you next year will be worse? Jun 26 20:29:31 * brik hides Jun 26 20:29:58 does that mean I'll lose it with a lecturer again? Jun 26 20:30:08 cos I told one to F off this year :/ Jun 26 20:30:23 my supervisor was kind enough to tell me that 4th year is twice as hard as 3rd year, just before I finished, way to ruin my holiday Jun 26 20:30:28 :o Jun 26 20:31:00 do what we do, winge, call them names, etc on irc where they can't see it :P Jun 26 20:31:27 that reminds me Jun 26 20:31:33 anyone in here go to the uni of texus? Jun 26 20:35:00 thiago_home, diplomatic mediation Jun 26 20:35:32 the best way to solve your pushme-pullyou problem would be to get everyone in the same room Jun 26 20:36:09 yup Jun 26 20:36:23 you could include some weapons and let them sort it out themselves Jun 26 20:36:47 don't have access to those Jun 26 20:36:54 but it is my job to get people to understand each other Jun 26 20:37:39 when we went to barcelona, there was a keynote delivered in multiple languages Jun 26 20:38:00 spanish, catalan and english? Jun 26 20:38:06 we all got a little gadget and had translation done on the fly Jun 26 20:38:08 i think yeah Jun 26 20:39:06 point being :) we heard what everyone had to say no matter how they said it Jun 26 20:39:27 unless the translator didn't understand and just made stuff up Jun 26 20:39:35 thats possible Jun 26 20:47:20 Hehe Jun 26 20:47:36 They seemed good about that Jun 26 20:47:48 stating their uncertainty if they weren't sure. Jun 26 20:49:59 yeah indeed GAN900 Jun 26 20:50:12 * lcuk was impressed by how well the translators worked Jun 26 20:50:34 thiago_home: alcohol is a great mediator Jun 26 21:13:27 Will there be any chance of getting MeeGo for the N900 later on? Jun 26 21:13:41 we have answered this question a lot Jun 26 21:13:55 I have not seen any answers, perhaps that is why I ask. Jun 26 21:14:18 Curious to know what is the situation Jun 26 21:14:30 DrGrov: there will be a community release. It will not be commercially supported by Nokia, but will have the necessary closed code so that all peripherals will at least have a chance of working over time. Jun 26 21:14:50 please state it exactly like this, to anyone else who asks Jun 26 21:15:04 so we don't get any more, "OMG! NO MEEGO FOR N900?!!?! WHAAA? SKY IS FALLING!!!!" Jun 26 21:15:12 :) Jun 26 21:16:04 TSCHAKeee: sure, will do. I was mainly a bit curious to know what is the situation. I got all the time in the world to wait for it, once it is ready it will be out there so I do not need any more information. Jun 26 21:17:57 * GAN900 wishes Nokia would quit with the foot shooting Jun 26 21:18:18 TSCHAKeee: gotta ask one small additional question. Will MeeGo provide phone capability as well or just working as a tablet? Jun 26 21:19:05 TSCHAKeee: too much people been jumping around with various theories what I have been reading so that is why I like to ask here to get a good answer and more importantly a correct answer. Jun 26 21:19:08 DrGrov: the handset UX provides ofono, and nokia is providing a driver for the modem on the phone. Jun 26 21:19:41 TSCHAKeee: so I can expect normal phone calls to work ? Jun 26 21:19:54 at some point, yes. Jun 26 21:20:20 TSCHAKeee: thanks for the clear shortcut yet comprehensive answers :)' Jun 26 21:20:34 you're welcome. Jun 26 21:59:26 brik: what kinda modules do you do? Jun 26 22:00:13 various C# ones mostly Jun 26 22:01:25 this year I had languages and compilers, software engineering, distributed systems, final year project, and mobile devices Jun 26 22:01:25 I've done, MSSQL and MySQL, flash, two web things (they say they're different but they're really not) Jun 26 22:01:30 programming and stuff Jun 26 22:01:57 we've not had much SQL, but that's because that lecturer was shit Jun 26 22:02:06 we did databases without learning SQL Jun 26 22:02:08 :P Jun 26 22:02:34 sounds as dull as doing databases Jun 26 22:02:47 only without the pain of not getting it working Jun 26 22:03:16 for mobile devices we made a client for uni's made up twitter/facebook thing Jun 26 22:03:22 first week we go on MySQL we're told that the server has been taken down for a new hard drive Jun 26 22:03:23 haha yeah Jun 26 22:04:02 we had one coursework for that, and we had to solve database tasks *on paper* and hand in, how useless is that Jun 26 22:04:06 haha :P Jun 26 22:04:33 there is one lecturer I get As from Jun 26 22:04:39 even tho I have no idea what Iam doing Jun 26 22:05:10 nice ;p Jun 26 22:05:26 brik: relational calculus? Jun 26 22:05:38 yes we had that evilness Jun 26 22:06:26 we had 1 lecture on relational calculus, then 1 lecture on SQL (out of 20ish), and the whole exam was on those two Jun 26 22:07:41 CosmoHill: do you get letter grades there then? Jun 26 22:07:48 sorta Jun 26 22:08:13 well mostly but overall it's numbers Jun 26 22:08:16 A = 1 etc Jun 26 22:08:20 A = 70%+? Jun 26 22:08:22 oh Jun 26 22:08:23 yep Jun 26 22:08:58 Hello everyone Jun 26 22:09:08 is it difficult to get As there? Jun 26 22:09:17 Would it be possible to download MeeGo for notebooks on a USB drive and test it on a desktop computer? Jun 26 22:09:23 Got my desktop computer connected to my TV Jun 26 22:10:18 DrGrov: as long as you have an intel graphics card (not GMA500) and SSSE3 support on your processor you can use what you wanyt Jun 26 22:10:25 DrGrov: depends on how similar to the netbooks your hardware is Jun 26 22:10:33 DrGrov: provided you have intel graphics (or the drivers for your card and the knowledge/skill to put them into meego), and a modern CPU, meego should run ok on a lot of hardware Jun 26 22:10:49 Actually the problem I might encounter is that I have a nVidia graphics card Jun 26 22:10:51 DrGrov: the SDK chroot should run on other stuff (nvidia cards etc) too Jun 26 22:11:39 My specs are 2 dual core AMD Opteron 64 model 280 @ 2.4 GHz each. 8GB DDR1 400Mhz ECC ram Jun 26 22:11:58 DrGrov: vesa driver is included, you should be able to get a (slow and lowres) X running with that Jun 26 22:12:38 Aard: that is mainly what I just need. Want to get a overview of MeeGo myself, not just through videos. Jun 26 22:12:42 http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/74rL4L2Y Jun 26 22:12:43 cpu bound graphics? Jun 26 22:12:59 if you have a spare usb stick just dd the iso image to it and try if it boots Jun 26 22:13:08 ie nice fast dualcore 2.4ghz should chump through things nicely Jun 26 22:13:24 lcuk: i do have 2 dual cores, not just one ;) Jun 26 22:14:06 Aard: can I put the image on a memory card which I insert into my memory card reader via USB? Jun 26 22:14:30 DrGrov: only if your card reader emulates usb mass storage Jun 26 22:15:01 Aard: how do you mean emulates usb mass storage? give me some example so I can say if it does. Have never tried before, that is why I am a bit lost with this lol Jun 26 22:15:50 if it shows up as ordinary usb mass storage it should be working. just give it a try, if you're unsure (same procedure, dd the image to the memory card) Jun 26 22:16:04 Yeah, I put the image to the memory card Jun 26 22:16:25 Yeah, the memory card in Ubuntu that I use is shown as a 2GB file system Jun 26 22:16:42 2gb? which image are you using? Jun 26 22:17:26 Aard: no, I am downloading the 800MB image Jun 26 22:17:35 But the memory card I insert shows up as a 2GB file system Jun 26 22:17:48 Aard: iso? Jun 26 22:18:01 I'd go for the live cd image for a first test, smaller to download and does not take as long to write to the card Jun 26 22:18:28 http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks Jun 26 22:18:35 I am downloading that one, the live image Jun 26 22:18:44 this one, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img Jun 26 22:19:22 oh, ok, I should up. didn't realize the netbook image is actually that big, I'm only working with the handset parts :) Jun 26 22:20:29 Aard: no problem :) Jun 26 22:20:52 Aard: I have it almost downloaded now. So how should I then write it to the memory card? Jun 26 22:21:08 6 minutes left of downloading Jun 26 22:21:19 as I said, dd Jun 26 22:21:35 dd? Jun 26 22:21:59 make sure there's no data on the memory card you need, and as your system apparently automounted the card you need to unmount it first Jun 26 22:22:47 dd if=path/to/your/image of=/path/to/devicenode bs=1M Jun 26 22:23:08 ok, i will unmount the card first then Jun 26 22:23:44 devicenode would be then /media/name_of_usb_memory_card Jun 26 22:23:48 can I laught at people who log onto IRC as "root" or "Administrator"? Jun 26 22:24:04 path to memory card that is Jun 26 22:24:12 no, devicenode will be /dev/something, most likely /dev/sdsomething Jun 26 22:24:52 (be careful that it's really the correct device node, and not one of your systems disks...) Jun 26 22:25:11 the memory card reader is mounted as /media/ Jun 26 22:25:46 then do `mount' and write down the device name for that mountpoint Jun 26 22:26:06 yes, will do. so I unmount it then first before I do dd? Jun 26 22:26:28 yes. find out the device node before unmounting, will make things easier Jun 26 22:27:22 dd will destroy the contents on the card, having a filesystem on a card mounted while a new one is created is not a wise idea, therefore the unmount Jun 26 22:28:11 it is this where it mounts the file system of the media card, /media/E0FD-1813/ Jun 26 22:28:29 now i unmounted that usb memory card Jun 26 22:28:34 the download is finished Jun 26 22:28:42 that's the mountpoint, the device name starts with /dev Jun 26 22:28:51 i have no idea how to find the dev Jun 26 22:29:16 as said, you should type mount while the card is still mounted. from the list you can easily pick out the device name Jun 26 22:30:36 /dev/sdf1 on /media/E0FD-1813 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush) Jun 26 22:30:42 so it is /dev/sdf1 Jun 26 22:30:44 yes Jun 26 22:30:55 ok, so now time to unmount and then dd Jun 26 22:31:37 will take considerable time, and you won't see the progress. Jun 26 22:32:11 i just normally unmount the memory card from my desktop, right? Jun 26 22:32:35 I don't care how you do it, as long as it's unmounted ;) Jun 26 22:32:55 yes, it is not shown on mount anymore Jun 26 22:32:59 dd time then Jun 26 22:35:35 does not work Jun 26 22:35:58 error message? Jun 26 22:37:05 no, i forget sudo :) Jun 26 22:37:11 so here it is, /dev$ sudo dd if=/home/deathstar/Desktop/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img of=/dev/sdf1 bs=1M Jun 26 22:37:19 correct Jun 26 22:37:27 and the output was following, 776+0 records in Jun 26 22:37:27 776+0 records out Jun 26 22:37:27 813694976 bytes (814 MB) copied, 2.30676 s, 353 MB/s Jun 26 22:37:33 so it is finished already Jun 26 22:37:59 CosmoHill: that is correct yes? Jun 26 22:38:13 what kind of card are you using that you can throw over 800mb in such a short time? :0 Jun 26 22:38:23 i have a bit of a faster hard drive ;) Jun 26 22:39:09 should i mount it now to see that it actually is there? Jun 26 22:39:09 hard drive does not matter, the write speed to flash cards does Jun 26 22:39:20 i have no idea actually but it goes fast Jun 26 22:40:12 i try to plug in the memory card now to see what has happened there Jun 26 22:40:38 apparently nothing Jun 26 22:40:46 it seems like it is completely empty Jun 26 22:41:07 wait, I've just seen something. you need to write to /dev/sdf instead of /dev/sdf1 (sdf1 would be the partition, you need the device) Jun 26 22:41:27 ah ok, so no 1 after there. roger, trying again Jun 26 22:41:32 though the time is fishy for flash cards Jun 26 22:42:21 sudo dd if=/home/deathstar/Desktop/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img of=/dev/sdf bs=1M Jun 26 22:42:22 [sudo] password for deathstar: Jun 26 22:42:22 776+0 records in Jun 26 22:42:22 776+0 records out Jun 26 22:42:22 813694976 bytes (814 MB) copied, 2.16611 s, 376 MB/s Jun 26 22:42:53 you said it's hooked up by usb? Jun 26 22:42:56 yes Jun 26 22:43:07 DrGrov: yes Jun 26 22:43:16 DrGrov: damn that was fast Jun 26 22:43:23 CosmoHill: yes, that is fast Jun 26 22:43:41 even that was approximately 20 MB even faster Jun 26 22:43:43 lol Jun 26 22:44:15 it is still empty Jun 26 22:44:21 my memory card is still empty Jun 26 22:44:47 that begs the question Jun 26 22:44:54 what did you just copy meego to Jun 26 22:45:07 i tried to dd the image to my memory card Jun 26 22:46:14 the 2s is even unrealistic for harddisk to harddisk copy, let alone writing to a flash card Jun 26 22:46:58 the 2GB flash card I tried to dd to is empty Jun 26 22:47:09 can it be mounted? Jun 26 22:47:17 yes. Jun 26 22:47:20 i mount it but it is empty Jun 26 22:49:14 can you add "strace -s 255" in between the sudo and dd and pastebin the output? Jun 26 22:51:13 i just gave up, i give it a new go tomorrow. Jun 26 22:51:24 my brain has stopped functioning properly this time of night, 2 AM here :) Jun 26 22:51:57 i was hoping it would work the first time without any misfortune Jun 26 22:52:03 ah, same timezone Jun 26 22:52:50 i jsut hope i did not do any major damage with that /dev thing Jun 26 22:53:45 I strongly suspect you don't have anything but ram in your box where you can write that amount of data in 2 seconds Jun 26 22:55:51 no damage in the /dev things then? Jun 26 22:56:19 quite unlikely Jun 26 22:56:21 DrGrov: what I do is unplug the memory card Jun 26 22:56:26 look at /dev/sd* Jun 26 22:56:36 plug it back in and see what one has appeared Jun 26 22:57:41 nothing has appeared Jun 26 23:00:12 anyway, might be a nice idea to go to bed while it's still somewhat dark ;) Jun 26 23:03:49 ever wondered what happens to people who insult England? Jun 26 23:03:49 http://i45.tinypic.com/2ymznyb.jpg Jun 26 23:36:27 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 26 23:36:38 you too Jun 26 23:41:43 cyas Jun 27 00:55:52 Does MeeGo work on the Booklet at all? Jun 27 00:58:32 doesn't it have poulsbro gfx? Jun 27 01:57:35 hi Jun 27 01:57:41 is there tschakeee ? Jun 27 01:58:46 ? Jun 27 01:59:30 hi! Jun 27 01:59:40 hello Jun 27 01:59:57 you are very unpleasant!! Jun 27 01:59:58 hihi Jun 27 02:00:11 i remember this discussion http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/meego/meego.20100606.txt Jun 27 02:00:27 pierissimo: well um.. fuck you too. :) Jun 27 02:00:46 suck my big dick ;) Jun 27 02:01:20 charming. Jun 27 02:01:30 and try not to be always stuck to the PC, kind of a nerd Jun 27 02:01:33 lol Jun 27 02:01:35 bye ;) Jun 27 02:01:52 Sadly I don't have ops here. Jun 27 02:02:21 GAN900 just to have a laugh Jun 27 02:02:22 ;) Jun 27 02:02:36 * TSCHAKeee shakes head. Jun 27 02:02:41 what a dick. Jun 27 02:22:23 uh.. Jun 27 02:22:24 what. Jun 27 02:26:33 *shrug* Jun 27 02:27:03 ok today is D day, trying to install meego 1.0 on my emachine netbook with atom n450, :) Jun 27 02:35:45 Interesting comment about MeeGo on the Android remote install article on /. Jun 27 02:37:42 an interesting comment on slashdot? Jun 27 02:37:53 Hehe Jun 27 02:38:19 Just that it's the only mobile platform that isn't inherently evil Jun 27 02:38:26 heheh Jun 27 02:38:33 welll Jun 27 02:38:41 we don't exactly know yet :P Jun 27 02:43:30 Well Jun 27 02:43:37 Maemo isn't inherently evil Jun 27 02:43:46 So MeeGo can't be too much worse Jun 27 02:43:58 Although I don't love the security framework. Jun 27 02:45:44 awesome, so I got the usb image to boot with qemu using a new seabios, but only if I leave off -hda Jun 27 02:46:07 now I've got to figure out how to attach an empty hard drive image without affecting the boot order Jun 27 02:52:43 what IS seabios anyway? Jun 27 02:52:53 I see it usually named in conjunction with CoreBoot Jun 27 02:53:38 it's the successor of the old bochs bios rewritten to be compilable with just gcc Jun 27 02:53:47 and greatly enhanced Jun 27 02:53:56 yeah, I'm trying that next (with qemu) Jun 27 02:54:13 I wanted to see if the normal netbook image would work so I don't have to download one of the zip files of meego Jun 27 02:54:16 but it's very slow Jun 27 02:54:27 hmm, no framebuffer support Jun 27 02:54:42 need to try -vga std next Jun 27 02:55:27 so the trick was to use -drive file=x.img instead of -hda x.img by the way Jun 27 02:56:12 * TSCHAKeee wants to use CoreBoot someday **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 27 02:59:56 2010