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Jun 28 07:48:13 <aragwain> hi
Jun 28 07:48:17 <aragwain> I downloaded meego
Jun 28 07:48:28 <aragwain> tried using it on lenovo s10
Jun 28 07:48:33 <aragwain> and the wifi didn't work
Jun 28 07:48:50 <aragwain> i wanted just to say this
Jun 28 07:48:52 <aragwain> have a nice day!
Jun 28 07:51:24 <dazo> wow! what a wonderful a perfect bug report!
Jun 28 07:52:44 <chakie_work> well, it didn't work
Jun 28 07:52:49 <chakie_work> get fixin'
Jun 28 07:52:51 <blino> and that's quite known already
Jun 28 08:35:28 <L-----D> hi, will there a release target "Connected TV"?
Jun 28 08:57:34 <slaine> morning all
Jun 28 08:57:44 <slaine> heh, wondered if something like this existed, http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/27/hacked-n900-blazes-through-froyo/
Jun 28 08:59:44 <sx0n> i watched it also, it advertised that at 4.30 there is some browser benchmarking. would have been nice to how how well it compared to other devices.
Jun 28 09:39:29 <BasiumDeJudas> why hello people just stumbled across this distro.
Jun 28 09:51:45 <BasiumDeJudas> hello
Jun 28 09:52:24 <Tm_T> hi
Jun 28 09:53:34 <BasiumDeJudas> someone is on heeh...i just walked into this new distro and wanted to hear some things how it is from others.
Jun 28 09:54:05 <slaine> sx0n: Yeah, well, he did run through the sunspider benchmark, but not really benchmarking proper
Jun 28 09:55:07 <BasiumDeJudas> does moblin have a live cd and i see there is a meego also which looks like moblin.
Jun 28 11:36:29 <luist> hey... in meego garage, is it possible to specify in the garage_data.xml more than one package name to install/remove for each application?
Jun 28 12:10:25 <hkivela> any meego.com (or some subdomain) admin present? found something that may become a (minor) security issue :)
Jun 28 12:11:25 <X-Fade> hkivela: you can PM me.
Jun 28 12:12:50 <sx0n> admin could also fix that link on the left side of the screen. screen needs to be scroll back to see it.
Jun 28 12:13:55 <sx0n> s/scroll/zoom/
Jun 28 12:13:55 <infobot> sx0n meant: admin could also fix that link on the left side of the screen. screen needs to be zoom back to see it.
Jun 28 12:15:15 <sx0n> at meego.com
Jun 28 13:20:48 <jarno> is it possible to get meego running with nvidia chip?
Jun 28 13:29:06 <sx0n> jarno, sdk works.
Jun 28 13:33:05 <jarno> u mean meego-netbook-sdk?
Jun 28 13:36:14 <jarno> startmeego & command launch empty Xephyr screen?
Jun 28 13:40:41 <sx0n> jarno, yep
Jun 28 13:41:35 <sx0n> i tried normal meego with nvidia but it did not work.
Jun 28 13:42:24 <sx0n> jarno, empty xephyr?
Jun 28 13:43:36 <sx0n> jarno, is your display exported correctly
Jun 28 14:11:38 <amjad1> success, meego installed on emachine runnung atom n450
Jun 28 14:15:38 <townxelliot> amjad1: if it's not there already, might be worth adding to http://wiki.meego.com/Devices
Jun 28 14:17:07 <amjad1> townxelliot: i will add it there once i do some QA on it, the installer ( anaconda runs great) now to check other stuff
Jun 28 15:13:32 <asac> when building telepathy-ring my make check always fails like http://pastebin.com/XAMK8c6d ... any idea if the setup needs to be instrumentalized in some way?
Jun 28 15:21:21 <asac> hmm. seems that the test case refers to a invalid dbus proxy?
Jun 28 15:21:22 <asac>  DBusGProxy *proxy = dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name( dbus_g_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, NULL), "com.nokia.invalid.server", "/invalid/server", "com.nokia.invalid.Server");
Jun 28 15:21:25 <asac> whats that?
Jun 28 15:30:46 <felipec> hmm, $ osc submitrequest home:fcontrer dsp-tools Trunk
Jun 28 15:30:49 <felipec> Warning: failed to fetch meta data for 'Trunk' package 'dsp-tools' (new package?)
Jun 28 15:30:50 <felipec> [Errno 2] No such file or directory
Jun 28 15:45:42 <arnor> hi there!
Jun 28 15:46:34 <arnor> could someone tell me if there is an alternative download server (or protocol) for MeeGo image, please?
Jun 28 15:47:55 <DawnFoster> arnor: are you having a particular issue with the existing download server?
Jun 28 15:48:54 <arnor> DawnFoster: yes, I'm unable to finish my download :(
Jun 28 15:49:11 <arnor> I just can't get more than 50% of the file
Jun 28 15:49:16 <DawnFoster> which file are you trying to download?
Jun 28 15:49:25 <arnor> I've searched for a BT link without success
Jun 28 15:49:54 <arnor> DawnFoster: MeeGo  v1.0 for Netbooks (Google Chrome Browser)
Jun 28 15:50:23 <DawnFoster> arnor: is the connection on your end pretty good?
Jun 28 15:50:42 <arnor> DawnFoster: meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.0.20100524.1.img
Jun 28 15:50:48 <arnor> yes, I think so
Jun 28 15:51:50 <DawnFoster> let me see if we have any issues on our end
Jun 28 15:52:26 <DawnFoster> Anyone else having issues downloading the Chrome image?
Jun 28 15:52:52 <arnor> DawnFoster: I tried with Free Download Manager (Windows), KGet (KDE), Down Them All (Firefox) a few days ago
Jun 28 15:53:17 <arnor> same result each time
Jun 28 15:53:57 <DawnFoster> does it fail at a specific place every time? and what's the speed of the download?
Jun 28 15:54:03 <arnor> DawnFoster: is there any mirror from which I could retrieve the file?
Jun 28 15:54:18 <arnor> DawnFoster: 50% each time :(
Jun 28 15:54:34 <arnor> and it's impossible to resume
Jun 28 15:54:49 <DawnFoster> weird, I'm downloading the file right now, and I've made it well past 50%
Jun 28 15:55:07 <arnor> ok, I retry
Jun 28 16:51:07 <DawnFoster> Hi PierreBlouin
Jun 28 16:51:17 <PierreBlouin> hi
Jun 28 17:05:13 <GAN900> How much thought has gone into sponsorship for the "Conference"?
Jun 28 17:05:44 <DawnFoster> GAN900: In what sense?
Jun 28 17:06:27 <DawnFoster> and why conference in quotes?
Jun 28 17:06:28 <GAN900> What are the requirements, how will people be picked, what's involved in registration, etc?
Jun 28 17:06:56 <GAN900> Because I missed the discussion on the name change.
Jun 28 17:07:06 <DawnFoster> oh, do you mean sponsoring people's travel or companies sponsoring the conference?
Jun 28 17:07:15 <GAN900> The former
Jun 28 17:07:28 <DawnFoster> it was changed because the Linux Foundation uses "summit" to refer to invite-only events.
Jun 28 17:07:35 <GAN900> Ah
Jun 28 17:07:43 <DawnFoster> Since this is open to anyone to attend, we renamed it to conference
Jun 28 17:07:59 <DawnFoster> we haven't decided on a criteria for sponsoring people's travel.
Jun 28 17:08:12 <RST38h> So, Meego Summits will be invitation only?
Jun 28 17:08:17 <DawnFoster> we'll definitely do some of that, but I need to talk to Quim about it
Jun 28 17:08:37 <DawnFoster> no, we renamed it from "summit" to "conference" because it is not invite only
Jun 28 17:08:52 <DawnFoster> there will be no MeeGo Summit - just a MeeGo Conference
Jun 28 17:09:16 <GAN900> I'm worried that as MeeGo is currently doing a terrible job of generating goodwill in the Maemo Community that many of those folks may be overlooked for sponsorship when November roll+ around as they're not particularly inclined to contribute
Jun 28 17:09:16 <RST38h> Ah ok
Jun 28 17:09:40 <GAN900> Or haven't had much success when trying to.
Jun 28 17:09:58 <RST38h> No chance of raising Meego's profile until there is a device with Meego
Jun 28 17:10:09 <RST38h> Or a semi usable N900 install, at least
Jun 28 17:10:22 <DawnFoster> GAN900: I just don't have a good answer for that. I'm going to have to look to Quim to figure out the Maemo transition
Jun 28 17:10:24 <GAN900> Personally, I see it as a good opportunity to generate some goodwill and help transition valuable contributors over
Jun 28 17:10:30 <DawnFoster> agreed
Jun 28 17:10:33 * RST38h would develop for the thing, if he had the device
Jun 28 17:10:49 <GAN900> DawnFoster, well, hopefully you'll keep the concern in mind as you find answers.
Jun 28 17:11:00 <DawnFoster> absolutely.
Jun 28 17:11:23 <DawnFoster> I think it will get easier for the Maemo community when we have a handset release
Jun 28 17:11:33 <GAN900> Possibly
Jun 28 17:11:40 <DawnFoster> right now we just have it running on netbooks
Jun 28 17:11:46 <GAN900> But many of the issues are unrelated to released software
Jun 28 17:12:02 <DawnFoster> but it will give people more chances to participate
Jun 28 17:12:11 <DawnFoster> it won't fix all of the issues
Jun 28 17:14:12 <RST38h> Running it on netbooks is not really interesting
Jun 28 17:14:51 <RST38h> I can run Windows or Ubuntu on a netbook, if I really need a netbook
Jun 28 17:14:52 <VDVsx> the 'tablet' edition is interesting :D
Jun 28 17:15:13 <VDVsx> by the videos ofc
Jun 28 17:15:16 <RST38h> But having it run on an actual pocketable device that is practical to carry around...
Jun 28 17:15:37 <RST38h> VDVsx: only if the hardware is there and capable of running for 8+ hours :)
Jun 28 17:17:07 <VDVsx> I can't see much use for a tablet, but seems a nice toy if you have a cool UI
Jun 28 17:34:25 <lcuk> VDVsx, i can see many uses for a tablet
Jun 28 17:34:36 <lcuk> beyond just cool ui :P
Jun 28 17:34:54 <Myrtti> does it make planning knitting patterns easier?
Jun 28 17:35:56 <VDVsx> lcuk, browsing and movies are boring in a tablet(better a laptop), so ? :P
Jun 28 17:36:22 <lcuk> VDVsx, i never said anything about browsing  and movies
Jun 28 17:36:28 <lcuk> and gahhh my internet is being a bitch today
Jun 28 17:36:53 <VDVsx> I'm referring to an iPad like device
Jun 28 17:37:23 <lcuk> i agree - for a normal "desktop" os, theres not much else
Jun 28 17:37:43 <TSCHAKeee> don't bother trying to convince people who have hardened preconceptions.
Jun 28 17:37:44 <lcuk> but a generic slate with high resolution pen digitiser is amazing :)
Jun 28 17:38:29 * TSCHAKeee has been doing UI research for a long time now, trying to show people the usefulness of tablets, and other alternative human interaction devices, and sometimes, you just..can't..convince people
Jun 28 17:38:56 <lcuk> i dont show people the usefulness of them, i just use them :)
Jun 28 17:39:27 <TSCHAKeee> me too, but i would fall into traps with other people who say, "I just..don't see the usefulness."
Jun 28 17:39:33 <TSCHAKeee> don't fall into that trap :P
Jun 28 17:39:55 <lcuk> what trap?  dogfood dude - dont try to change people if they want to join in your dance they will
Jun 28 17:40:16 * CosmoHill blinks
Jun 28 17:40:41 * lcuk superglues CosmoHill's eyes shut :P
Jun 28 17:40:52 <CosmoHill> you don't need to do that
Jun 28 17:40:57 <CosmoHill> hayfever does it to me in the morning
Jun 28 17:41:03 <lcuk> eep
Jun 28 17:41:09 <lcuk> i had sand in my eyes for 2 days
Jun 28 17:41:39 <CosmoHill> one time I couldn't open one eye and I was like "yarr! where be the eye drops?"
Jun 28 17:41:54 <lcuk> :D
Jun 28 17:42:08 <CosmoHill> well I wasn't but I should have been
Jun 28 17:42:13 <korsakof> Hi everyone!
Jun 28 17:42:16 <VDVsx> I've used an iPad it's cool in the first 5 minutes, then boring and not useful at all IMO, unless you use it as digital photo frame :P
Jun 28 17:42:21 <lcuk> CosmoHill, did yee mumsie make you walk tha plank?
Jun 28 17:42:32 <VDVsx> maybe I change my mind with the MeeGo tablets :P
Jun 28 17:42:32 <korsakof> I would like to know if Meego has an onscreen keyboard?
Jun 28 17:42:52 <CosmoHill> VDVsx: you mean an actual OS?
Jun 28 17:43:02 <lcuk> VDVsx, digital photo frames are good
Jun 28 17:43:18 <CosmoHill> meego is designed for phones, netbooks and tables (well it will be once it's done)
Jun 28 17:43:23 <CosmoHill> the iPhone OS isn't
Jun 28 17:43:47 <CosmoHill> Apple have the ability to make selling points out of industry standards
Jun 28 17:44:21 <CosmoHill> 3G, video, multi tasking
Jun 28 17:44:46 <lcuk> tables?
Jun 28 17:44:46 <CosmoHill> being able to get a reception whilst holding your phone.... oh wait that's not a selling point
Jun 28 17:45:05 <lcuk> we are having table UX ?  does it have a nice criss cross pattern?
Jun 28 17:45:06 <VDVsx> cough, fake multi tasking cough :D
Jun 28 17:45:31 * lcuk looks forward to the chair UX :D
Jun 28 17:46:01 <lcuk> VDVsx, its not fake, it can cope with multitple threaded operations at the same time - so technically not lying
Jun 28 17:46:13 <lcuk> it just does not have generic open multitasking as we are used to
Jun 28 17:46:52 <TSCHAKeee> the OS is the same darwin kernel underneath
Jun 28 17:47:10 <TSCHAKeee> and the APIs and kits are similar up above it..
Jun 28 17:47:11 <VDVsx> bahh, only audio stream and something else, sucks :P
Jun 28 17:47:31 <TSCHAKeee> they just explicitly do not allow for multiple drawing contexts etc.
Jun 28 17:48:07 <TSCHAKeee> trust me, i am not defending the iPhone, but get your facts straight. ;)
Jun 28 17:48:10 <VDVsx> yeah, the OS itself is pretty capable and scalable as we can see
Jun 28 18:01:25 <rob_w> hiho
Jun 28 18:02:20 <CosmoHill> hi
Jun 28 18:02:33 <amjad1> hi CosmoHill
Jun 28 18:03:20 <CosmoHill> Infobot has the right idea
Jun 28 18:16:35 <korsakof> re hi!
Jun 28 18:17:31 <korsakof> anyone there? :) (there is 400 one in this channel hehehe)
Jun 28 18:17:35 <CosmoHill> hi
Jun 28 18:17:55 <korsakof> I would like to install meego on my wind top ae1900
Jun 28 18:18:22 <korsakof> I would like to know if meego comes with an onscreen keyboard...
Jun 28 18:21:02 <korsakof> CosmoHill... do you know?
Jun 28 18:21:15 <CosmoHill> i believe it does
Jun 28 18:21:30 <CosmoHill> not sure as I'm not able to use meego :(
Jun 28 18:21:43 <korsakof> ok. thanks!
Jun 28 18:29:41 <amjad> so can any one add my machine that runs meego on this wiki page
Jun 28 18:29:42 <amjad> http://wiki.meego.com/Devices
Jun 28 18:30:04 <DawnFoster> amjad: sure, please go ahead and add it
Jun 28 18:31:49 <korsakof> on 2010-06-01 at 22:15, TSCHAKeee says "daniel_: the mobile UX does not have a virtual keyboard"
Jun 28 18:32:24 <korsakof> mobile UX == meego?
Jun 28 19:50:46 <amjad> finally updated the wiki.meego.com/devices
Jun 28 19:51:46 <lbt_> amjad: to say...
Jun 28 19:55:50 <amjad> lbt: any eta when will build.meego.com open for community
Jun 28 19:56:25 <lbt_> not AFAIK. Likely to be in OBS2.1 release
Jun 28 19:56:44 <lbt_> the meego.com community OBS is still a WIP though
Jun 28 19:57:17 <lbt_> I'm just too busy at the moment to do a lot to it. X-fade is working on it though
Jun 28 19:57:24 <amjad> ahh ok
Jun 28 19:58:15 <lbt_> hi mlfoster
Jun 28 19:58:31 <lbt_> any news?
Jun 28 20:02:12 <trip0> the wife said meego is "cute".  I suppose that means that it passes the wife test
Jun 28 20:02:41 <CosmoHill> yay
Jun 28 20:02:48 <amjad> yay
Jun 28 20:18:19 <Rudik> hello, I'm looking for a small, fast OS for my dell e6500. I loaded up meego but I'm getting errors, can anyone help or should I be using some other Os?
Jun 28 20:19:18 <trip0> Rudik, what errors?
Jun 28 20:20:12 <trip0> also, does Core 2 Duo have th necessary bits to work with meegO/
Jun 28 20:20:14 <trip0> ?
Jun 28 20:21:08 <anaZ> yes
Jun 28 20:21:34 <Rudik> on screen: usb_id[821]: unable to access `/devcices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb2/3-1.2/3-1.2:1/input8/event8 and more or less same thing but with /input8/mouse2
Jun 28 20:21:55 <auke> trip0: absolutely. meego works on all core2 and newer cpu's
Jun 28 20:22:20 <Rudik> in /var/log/messages everything looks fine but then; Jun 28 19:20:49 localhost ck-collect-session-info[1115]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Couldn't read /proc/948/sessionid: Failed to open file '/proc/948/sessionid': No such file or directory
Jun 28 20:22:23 <auke> Rudik: is your mouse/touchpad working properly?
Jun 28 20:23:07 <Rudik> in fedora 12 yes the touchpad works fine
Jun 28 20:27:22 <Rudik> seems like lots of GLIB errors: http://pastebin.com/bK2jLjDs
Jun 28 20:52:39 * CosmoHill watches ipad advert
Jun 28 20:52:59 <CosmoHill> who the hell would hold a tablet / laptop when being a passager on a moped
Jun 28 20:53:06 <CosmoHill> one pot hole and it's had it
Jun 28 21:07:47 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jun 28 21:23:19 <CosmoHill> I wonder if trem is actually in this channel or he just does /amsg
Jun 28 21:32:10 <Tm_T> CosmoHill: he did quit ~7 minutes before your comment
Jun 28 21:33:13 <lcuk> Tm_T, CosmoHill meant about whether he was in multiple channels
Jun 28 21:33:45 <Tm_T> ah
Jun 28 21:43:08 <lcuk> CosmoHill, i think he does
Jun 28 21:43:22 <lcuk> in the past, he has given different messages in different chans
Jun 28 21:43:23 <lcuk> it amused me
Jun 28 21:43:35 <CosmoHill> what other chans is he in?
Jun 28 21:45:13 <lcuk> cant remember off hand, #maemo, #mer, #meego i believe - there was 4 tho im sure
Jun 28 21:45:19 <lcuk> that i know of
Jun 28 21:45:23 <lcuk> ask him tomorrow :P
Jun 28 22:07:08 <CosmoHill> tell him I say "sweet dreams"
Jun 28 22:14:52 <lcuk> CosmoHill, did i hear you right, your device doesnt run meego
Jun 28 22:15:02 <CosmoHill> correct
Jun 28 22:15:08 <CosmoHill> are you gonna banish me from the channel?
Jun 28 22:15:31 <lcuk> lol what is it?
Jun 28 22:15:36 <lcuk> and what fails
Jun 28 22:15:45 <CosmoHill> Philips 15" laptop with nvidia graphics
Jun 28 22:16:04 <lcuk> yeah, its all those extra inches :p
Jun 28 22:16:42 <lcuk> summer break at uni has started i gather
Jun 28 22:16:57 <CosmoHill> i finished my exam 1st of June
Jun 28 22:17:08 <CosmoHill> i also started my exams the first of june :D
Jun 28 22:17:16 <lcuk> lol
Jun 28 22:17:22 <lcuk> i know you finished you r big assignment
Jun 28 22:17:30 <lcuk> but didnt know when you broke up for summer
Jun 28 22:17:35 <CosmoHill> the c++ one?
Jun 28 22:17:51 <lcuk> yeah, am i mixing them up
Jun 28 22:18:01 <CosmoHill> that wasn't a big one, just the one i talked about the most
Jun 28 22:18:39 <lcuk> oh, what was your biggy then?
Jun 28 22:18:49 <CosmoHill> group design
Jun 28 22:19:03 <CosmoHill> 2 semesters of work
Jun 28 22:19:15 <lcuk> hah what are you designing then
Jun 28 22:19:22 <lcuk> or is the outcome to come up with a better group
Jun 28 22:19:47 <CosmoHill> http://group.black-flag.co.uk
Jun 28 22:20:28 <CosmoHill> we designed the website, database etc
Jun 28 22:20:28 <CosmoHill> whole thing
Jun 28 22:21:19 <lcuk> cool beans
Jun 28 22:21:30 <lcuk> how many weeks did you spend researching the cave?
Jun 28 22:21:31 <CosmoHill> I was one of the key programmers
Jun 28 22:21:42 <CosmoHill> two words
Jun 28 22:21:47 <CosmoHill> free wifi
Jun 28 22:21:52 <lcuk> at the cave?
Jun 28 22:21:56 <CosmoHill> i duno
Jun 28 22:21:59 <CosmoHill> never been
Jun 28 22:22:04 <lcuk> its a lap dancing club, not a laptop club
Jun 28 22:22:17 * lcuk reads from your page
Jun 28 22:22:29 <lcuk> Cave Nightclub is a Premier Pole Dancing Club in Chelmsford, the heart of Essex, Providing Adult Entertainment and a good place to start or finish your evening out.
Jun 28 22:22:35 <lcuk> :D
Jun 28 22:22:45 <CosmoHill> opposite the train station too
Jun 28 22:22:50 <CosmoHill> and bus station
Jun 28 22:22:51 <lcuk> they always are
Jun 28 22:23:27 <lcuk> thats quite awesome tho
Jun 28 22:23:31 <lcuk> whats it written in/
Jun 28 22:23:46 <CosmoHill> php
Jun 28 22:25:51 <lcuk> i knew there had to be a downside to it ;) :p
Jun 28 22:26:03 * lcuk has some really basic php stuff
Jun 28 22:27:06 <CosmoHill> I have php and mysql experience from before uni
Jun 28 22:27:31 <CosmoHill> those I got good grades in two subjects cos they screwed up
Jun 28 22:27:44 <lcuk> yeah, lamp experience is good to have
Jun 28 22:27:44 <CosmoHill> we did database design with 2 or 3 weeks of php
Jun 28 22:27:57 <CosmoHill> so most of the students didn't know how to get the website to work
Jun 28 22:28:03 <CosmoHill> which was worth 20%
Jun 28 22:28:13 <lcuk> most of the adults dont know how to get a website to work
Jun 28 22:28:25 <lcuk> takes brainboxes such as yourself :p
Jun 28 22:28:51 <CosmoHill> i think people own me things
Jun 28 22:29:03 <CosmoHill> friend has a create of ciderr somewhere for mre
Jun 28 22:29:51 <lcuk> from the typos there looks like you drunk them already, tracy got a bottle of cider the other day to try and bring back college day dirnking binge feeling
Jun 28 22:29:58 <lcuk> she took one swig and hated it
Jun 28 22:30:06 <CosmoHill> hehe
Jun 28 22:31:06 <lcuk> right, i must vanihs, ive got a few patches to apply
Jun 28 22:31:11 <lcuk> cya later CosmoHill \o
Jun 28 22:32:26 <CosmoHill> cyas
Jun 28 23:56:13 <CosmoHill> bonne nuit
Jun 29 00:09:37 <fdr_tr> hi
Jun 29 00:09:57 <fdr_tr> any1?
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