**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 03 02:59:56 2010 Jul 03 10:00:17 how can i access my home folder (megoo) from gentoo Jul 03 10:09:48 * dm8tbr is doing something wrong apparently: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/744880 Jul 03 10:10:17 any ideas why it says - IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/tmp/SampleMedia.tar' Jul 03 10:11:19 probably because there is no file or directory at '/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/tmp/SampleMedia.tar' =p Jul 03 10:12:29 no idea about the permission thingie? Jul 03 10:12:43 is the user folder encrypted? Jul 03 10:12:49 I'd scan for that SampleMedia tarball, perhaps the path is just wrong Jul 03 10:14:01 mikhas: yeah, I guess I should try that first. Jul 03 10:14:19 i cant even ls /mnt/meego/home/tina as root from gentoo-linux Jul 03 10:16:10 well i could chroot to meego and mount -o bind a gentoo folder ands cp the files but that is bit crazy, i just want to be able to play my media that is on my meego /home/tina disk Jul 03 10:17:03 no one else using dual-boot? Jul 03 10:18:26 tina_: is the home folder empty when you look at it from gentoo? Jul 03 10:19:08 eeepc tina # ls Jul 03 10:19:08 Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop README.txt Jul 03 10:19:24 but they are red files cant cat them Jul 03 10:19:49 cat Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop Jul 03 10:19:49 cat: Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop: No such file or directory Jul 03 10:20:11 that is as root , as user i get permission denied Jul 03 10:39:21 tina_: it seems that you have encrypted home directory in meego? Jul 03 10:41:41 Sazius, uh huh , tho i cant remember it setted up that Jul 03 10:42:21 ok, but at least in Debian when I use an encrypted directory with ecryptfs it shows those two files when the directory is in its encrypted state Jul 03 10:44:05 Sazius, and do you know how i can give my gentoo user access to it Jul 03 10:47:47 tina_: sorry, I don't, but you might google for ecryptfs in Gentoo... in Debian there is an ecryptfs-utils package, maybe something similar in Gentoo Jul 03 10:49:15 I have to go now though... Jul 03 10:56:00 Sazius, ty Jul 03 11:07:41 Hi! Jul 03 11:08:17 I have a question, can i install or its possible meego running on the openmoko freerunner? Jul 03 11:28:09 Chriux, with a lot of work, anything is possible Jul 03 11:28:33 Can someone tell my if there is a public OBS were one can help out with packaging? Jul 03 11:31:35 mariob, i thought there was public obs? Jul 03 11:31:40 build.meego.com? Jul 03 11:32:57 * tripzero doesn't know if it's public or not though... Jul 03 11:33:24 !nl Jul 03 11:36:52 have meego a office suite "openOffice" too? Jul 03 11:37:31 tripzero: Ahh, thx. Jul 03 11:37:50 tripzero: Hmm, seems like you need an account Jul 03 11:38:19 mariob, does your meego.com account work? Jul 03 11:39:09 tripzero: I don't have one, I'll try registering and check if it works Jul 03 11:39:14 erkan^, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=537 yes apparantly you can get openoffice working on your machine Jul 03 11:39:34 tho its not optimal Jul 03 11:39:48 which is a shame, editing docs on the go with your netbook is something people often use OOo for Jul 03 11:40:17 ok, but i have installed "meego with Google Chrome" on my netbook, lcuk Jul 03 11:42:12 ok Jul 03 11:44:02 meego is very beautiful interface, lcuk Jul 03 11:44:16 that is first time for me , since yesterday Jul 03 11:44:44 erkan^, :D Jul 03 11:50:02 is Abiword good software too? Jul 03 11:50:04 tripzero: Doesn't work Jul 03 11:50:12 Abiword is light than openOffice, I think Jul 03 11:50:27 tripzero: Seems that you need a special account for obs Jul 03 11:58:17 * tina_ uses her gentoo build openoffice via a chroot and shared dir in meego , she not likes abiword Jul 03 12:28:34 is meego basic for debian or fedora? Jul 03 12:34:29 I'm still clueless as to this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/744880 Jul 03 12:34:44 if I create the directory it disappears and mic fails again Jul 03 13:31:20 Texrat's presentation at Akademy 2010: "User feedback framework" http://qik.com/video/8561492 ty cybette for the video Jul 03 14:09:57 oo.o? Jul 03 15:02:36 i've been wondering, what am I supposed to do with "Zones" Jul 03 15:02:58 i haven't figured out any useful usage for them.. Jul 03 15:03:32 they are for optimizing the UX for different work environments or tasks Jul 03 15:05:11 that's what I read, but cant figure out how they should help in that :) Jul 03 15:08:15 for me that would be a set of links to contacts, bookmarks, apps and documents Jul 03 15:09:13 for e.g. i might switch to a demo zone when i hand device to people to try-out - lots of media and games to click on, but not my private data Jul 03 15:10:09 we should ensure ability to define a zone with access to youtube disabled ;) Jul 03 15:10:44 if there were some video examples of zone usage, it would be great Jul 03 15:17:30 it doesn't seem like a far-fetched concept to me Jul 03 16:33:54 Quick question: Why did the dev team choose glibc over uclibc? :) Jul 03 16:39:51 huh, why would you want to use uclibc in a base system that is has over 8 times the capacity of the respectable first linux systems that exists in the 1990s Jul 03 16:40:35 8 times as in 8 times the CPU power, 8 times the memory, 8 times the storage, yes using libc then was never considered an issue Jul 03 16:41:43 glibc today is somewhat more bloated than libc in 90s :) Jul 03 16:41:56 a modern mobile phone is less of an embedded device and more a mobile computer Jul 03 16:42:01 Af'noon all Jul 03 16:42:17 odin_: You been reading Nokia's marketing material? ;-) Jul 03 16:42:30 sure it has (glibc) grown but I'd guess the performances loss is less than double Jul 03 16:42:57 odin_: When meego produces a 315MB rootfs that doesn't fit on the n900, you start to wonder about trimming fat Jul 03 16:43:05 this means there is still a net gain, even if it is bloated, so you have some kind of device with less than 4Mb of memory you still wish to port MeeGo to ? Jul 03 16:43:36 no you reject the notion of a OneNAND rootfs and put it back in eMMC where it should have been in the first place Jul 03 16:44:23 OneNAND is just a nice kind of storage that suits mobile devices, so it should not be all used up by rootfs, it should be swap/buffer-cache/rootfs-journal/with-dynamic-tuning Jul 03 16:44:59 I certainly reject Nokia's notion of OneNAND is your rootfs, no thanks, give me a full Unix host on eMMC anyday Jul 03 16:45:04 is netbook meego using uclibc too? Jul 03 16:45:19 ShadowJK: the original point was that neither of them are Jul 03 16:45:30 I could not say but I the build is unified, so I guess it doesn't Jul 03 16:45:33 odin_: swap on OneNAND, rootfs on eMMC and we can avoid /opt hackery Jul 03 16:45:47 swap on onenand needs kernel work Jul 03 16:45:52 agree yes begone /opt-doodad-ification Jul 03 16:46:05 I think the MMC is the better solution Jul 03 16:46:11 Which, if done properly, could make filesystems on emmc fast not slow, too :P Jul 03 16:46:22 what kernel work ? its a block device. I want rootfs journal on OneNAND Jul 03 16:46:29 onenand is not a block device. Jul 03 16:47:05 so all write hits are taken by OneNAND first, which is one of its good metrics, high write cycles, meaning it lowers to write hits to eMMC Jul 03 16:47:38 does the n97 have a 3d accelerator? can you run meego on it? Jul 03 16:48:13 still I would not want a mobile device restricted to uclib Jul 03 16:48:32 but I am l for looking at why so many processes exist and ways to reduce idle footprint Jul 03 16:49:51 i.e. more integrated single component processes but of high quality (i.e. that dont crash, are responsible, use threading correctly for all I/O work) Jul 03 16:50:12 s/responsible/responsive/ Jul 03 16:50:13 odin_ meant: i.e. more integrated single component processes but of high quality (i.e. that dont crash, are responsive, use threading correctly for all I/O work) Jul 03 16:52:30 so the issue of a 315Mb rootfs that doesn't fit into your brainwashed thinking of a OneNAND rootfs, is something that needs to be addresses, it would be nice to have a really cut down rootfs with basic/essential phone functions and thats it Jul 03 16:53:01 does anyone know the status of the "Community OBS Platform" ? Jul 03 16:53:38 odin_: I'm probably wrong, but I think its waiting on hardware Jul 03 16:54:11 hmm it was 4 weeks ago when I was last around, ah well... maybe it is time to take action into ones own hands Jul 03 16:55:04 we can wait on hardware until October when MeeGo 1.1 is out I guess, maybe this is better for Nokia/Intel so they can get their feet under the table more politically Jul 03 16:55:40 odin_: no point ascribing it to malice, when firstly, I might be totally wrong, and secondly, there just isn't a need for it :P Jul 03 16:55:58 lbt: ^^ I guess you might know what's going on? Jul 03 16:56:10 alternately someone could just release a superset of MeeGo and Maemo application that almost work on N900, and let Nokia manage that Jul 03 16:56:42 huh? Jul 03 16:57:45 I have not attributed it to malice, just raised the point for cross examination Jul 03 17:01:24 yes the point with the MeeGo+Maemo what if the community effort gets the existing Maemo applications working and retains the GUI style, a sort of Maemo converted to OBS and RPM Jul 03 17:04:42 what for? Jul 03 17:07:09 it is not a given that MeeGo 1.1 will be a step up from Maemo 5 Jul 03 17:07:51 ScottishDuck, why use uclibc? that's for embedded systems Jul 03 17:10:04 what really needs fixing is the packaging and SDK problems of Maemo5, not the UI Jul 03 17:11:22 realistically, you will not be able to successfully support fully featured software solution for the N900 Jul 03 17:11:28 i.e. do away with mandatory scratchbox to development anything, but keep device emulation from it, have all the packages that make up the system closer to the upstream versions, make it easier to maintain them ongoing Jul 03 17:11:41 It will always be half-baked, like Mer has been Jul 03 17:12:17 So, unless Nokia takes steps to maintain some version of Meego on N900, however unofficially, you are stuck with Maemo5. Jul 03 17:12:40 yes sure that is a likely potential pitfall, but then maybe look at what kept Mer from being half baked Jul 03 17:13:21 sorry which elements continue to be missing ? Jul 03 17:13:34 Mer has been kept back by the lack of proprietary drivers and (later) by the overal indifference from the users, who quickly found out that Mer is unusable on day-to-day basis Jul 03 17:13:45 and now there is no driver problem Jul 03 17:14:08 Oh, there is always some problem or another Jul 03 17:14:11 there are still a few userspace binaries, but they are not prohibited from use as-is Jul 03 17:14:49 The main being that a few people, working nights, for free, are generally unable to accomplish the required task Jul 03 17:17:30 ok understood, but also the Mer concept may have been too-early and too-diehard (with "free" and "open" requirements), also the Mer concept started in the era of "Nokia Tablet Computers" Jul 03 17:19:34 something for which I have never had any interest in myself and never looked at Maemo4 or older because Nokia just didn't get what I as customer was looking for, it is still less than 9 months since the first mobile phone release Jul 03 17:38:34 odin_: I'm working on the OBS now Jul 03 17:59:22 lbt, obviously good news to hear, even if the same news from a number of weeks ago now, I hope there is a change in news soon Jul 03 18:21:36 I have a lilliput touchscreen connected to my x86 PC desktop. Can I run meego on it to have a nice touch based interface? Jul 03 18:26:36 if it has intel graphics and SSSE3 support you can Jul 03 18:27:06 and if the touch screen drivers are in meego Jul 03 18:44:52 odin_: me too... Jul 03 18:47:03 hey dl9pf_ Jul 03 18:53:42 CosmoHill, which version of meego sohud i download for trying out? Jul 03 18:54:47 Could someone volunteer to prepare a web page on the wiki? I need some MeeGo and some Maemo volunteer devs who can help verify the OBS setup. Jul 03 18:55:57 I just want to get a list of who wants to help and what they can offer... Jul 03 18:58:45 lbt, I can cheerlead. :P Jul 03 18:59:24 anyone can help ... there'll be doc roles... Jul 03 19:00:16 I'm just so busy I forget who's offered to help do what Jul 03 19:01:34 cyas Jul 03 22:02:14 can anyone give me an example command line for starting qemu with the open source n900 files? Jul 03 22:02:38 dive: look on the wiki, it's on there Jul 03 22:02:40 qemu-system-arm -hda meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw -boot c -kernel meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 -M n900 Jul 03 22:02:57 this doesn't work - says no boot device Jul 03 22:03:21 I thought I'd read the wiki but I'll have a another look Jul 03 22:03:21 have you checked the md5sum? Jul 03 22:03:27 yep Jul 03 22:05:33 CosmoHill, as far as I can see the wiki only shows instructions for the closed source nokia image Jul 03 22:06:46 I've tried that and it works but I can't any way of resizing the image, or adding new drives, so I can get enough space to install gcc etc Jul 03 22:07:11 ah I think i see what you are trying to do Jul 03 22:07:28 if you want to compile things for the nokia i think you need to install the meego SDK on fedora Jul 03 22:07:59 doesn't that need an intel cpu though (at least for chroot)? Jul 03 22:08:31 i believe it does Jul 03 22:08:44 there must be a way of getting meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw running in qemu, or why supply it? Jul 03 22:08:44 it has the same processor requirements as a running OS Jul 03 22:09:03 it might be best to ask tomorrow Jul 03 22:09:09 ok Jul 03 22:09:15 it's currently midnight in europe Jul 03 22:09:23 I'll ask on the forum too - just signed up Jul 03 22:11:17 CosmoHill, yes I know Jul 03 22:11:24 <-- late bird ;-) Jul 03 22:11:34 any worms today? Jul 03 22:11:51 haha Jul 03 22:12:07 actually it's 11pm in UK Jul 03 22:12:32 will be nice to make some apps for n900 Jul 03 22:13:21 you're from the UK? Jul 03 22:13:51 oh and I'm timing out :( Jul 03 22:18:36 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 03 22:18:57 * CosmoHill jumps on trem and pokes him Jul 03 22:36:05 * CosmoHill gives lcuk a poke Jul 03 22:45:36 any expectations on when the first meego/maemo device to be released, I am about to buy an N900 and want to be sure it will be the only thing available for some while :-) Jul 03 22:46:30 no one will tell you when unannounced devices will ship Jul 03 22:46:47 however, there are no announced devices, so it should be at least a couple of months Jul 03 22:47:53 smhar: Nokia have said they are planning to bring out a MeeGo device this year (towards the second half/end). It'll be OMAP3; capacitive screen and similar screen res to the N900. Jul 03 22:48:12 <_Pete_> smhar: is n900/meamo so bad you eager to wait this new one ? Jul 03 22:48:39 _Pete_, not that bad, it is just that expensive :-) Jul 03 22:49:04 well, when new devices come out, the N900 will get cheaper Jul 03 22:49:16 <_Pete_> do you thing meego anyhow is going to help that? Jul 03 22:49:46 MeeGo'll set up a pre-destination paradox timeloop which'll result in the N900 getting cheaper *before* it's released. Jul 03 22:49:56 Wibbly wobbly timey wimey. Jul 03 22:50:31 _Pete_, actually, I do not want to be in the same situation I had been many times with nokia, and last when I got my N97, where I am holding the latest Nokia 'best of the best' only to discover they will release a much better one next month :-) Jul 03 22:50:47 uh... isn't that a "duh" ? Jul 03 22:50:57 of course there will be better devices Jul 03 22:51:03 if not next month, then the one after Jul 03 22:51:25 if you wanted an N900 that wouldn't be replaced for months, you should've bought it in January :-) Jul 03 22:51:28 If you wait for the next best thing in computers, you'll always be waiting. Jul 03 22:51:29 <_Pete_> smhar: thats something I have not experieneced it many years so better veto Jul 03 22:52:57 thiago_akademy, as a true linux device, -at an extent, the first dreambox is not only usable to me, it can even do anything the new models can do than does not depend on new hardware requirements Jul 03 22:53:28 * _Pete_ has too dreambox Jul 03 22:53:43 I can not say the same with any mobile I had/have Jul 03 22:53:44 <_Pete_> longest uptime since powercutdown Jul 03 22:54:23 well, maybe replaced wasn't the best word Jul 03 22:54:28 superseded, maybe Jul 03 22:54:41 I'm a pessimist, I'd be surprised if there was a handheld meego device before christmas Jul 03 22:54:57 note to self: release device on December 23 Jul 03 22:55:55 That's fine, that still means nobody will actually be able to get one before february ;-) Jul 03 22:56:04 <_Pete_> ShadowJK: what would surpise yuo then ? Jul 03 22:56:06 thiago_akademy: Nokia ship dates are always a little woolly. Jul 03 22:56:18 s/thiago_akademy/ShadowJK/ Jul 03 22:56:18 Jaffa meant: ShadowJK: Nokia ship dates are always a little woolly. Jul 03 22:56:26 ya Jul 03 22:56:27 ShadowJK: 2H10 means Dec 31st Jul 03 22:57:14 _Pete_, well I'd maybe at best expect a paper release before christmas, and actual devices reaching people who want them in late January - early february :P Jul 03 22:57:29 hmm, more like 19. Apr 2011 Jul 03 22:57:57 * Jaffa wonders when Nokia's financial year runs ;-) Jul 03 22:58:00 <_Pete_> ShadowJK: but you know, that will never happen with Nokia ? Jul 03 22:58:11 What will never happen? Jul 03 22:58:30 <_Pete_> paper release Jul 03 22:58:59 Technically it was done with the N900 and N810. Jul 03 22:59:16 It was launched a few weeks/months before most people actually could get it apart from the press. Jul 03 22:59:19 Same as Apple do Jul 03 22:59:23 * thiago_akademy had an N900 in July last year Jul 03 22:59:29 Yeah :-) Jul 03 22:59:39 I can justify shelling money for a new mobile then, not April but maybe july 'again' :-) Jul 03 22:59:48 but then it was still labelled "N00" Jul 03 22:59:55 thiago_akademy: I had one in August; but we're not most people :-p Jul 03 23:00:02 * Jaffa 's was unlabelled, which was quite stylish. Jul 03 23:00:10 fake mechanics? Jul 03 23:00:23 and you :P Jul 03 23:00:28 But it got the shitty "audio quality dropping" bug and went back earlier this year Jul 03 23:00:34 thiago_akademy: so this has been a preproduction device then Jul 03 23:00:47 yeah, prototypes Jul 03 23:00:48 thiago_akademy: No, dunno why it was unlabelled. Must have been some very narrow window between prototype and production Jul 03 23:01:04 you know, we need them to write the software Jul 03 23:01:13 * _Pete_ has been doing softwr for that 2years Jul 03 23:02:21 I am planning to use 'my' N900 which I will probably but tomorrow, to do many things including to finally learn python Jul 03 23:02:33 <_Pete_> and for now on trying to do same for meego Jul 03 23:02:38 I *paid* my N900 ~july 2009. But that meant I wasn't able to put my greedy fingers on it before it was postponed the 4th time and it got November Jul 03 23:02:55 you couldn't have paid for it in July Jul 03 23:03:00 the device was announced in September Jul 03 23:03:14 I did order it in October on my own, but then I had to cancel the order Jul 03 23:05:52 thiago_akademy: hmm maybe I put aside the money for it in July, and had to wait 1 or two postponed announcement dates until webshop Germany woke the cashier Jul 03 23:06:46 DocScrutinizer: I ordered on 2nd of September. That should have been one of the first possible dates. Jul 03 23:07:07 sounds about right Jul 03 23:07:15 if they'd sent me one of the *early* prototypes in maybe january (yes!), I might have fixed a bunch of hardware flaws that bite us now Jul 03 23:07:21 it was announced on Nokia World last year Jul 03 23:07:37 <_Pete_> DocScrutinizer: what are those? Jul 03 23:07:57 messed up kbd matrix, for example Jul 03 23:08:04 early proto HW is very broken Jul 03 23:08:19 <_Pete_> DocScrutinizer: and that causes what? Jul 03 23:09:04 (emacs doesn't work) Jul 03 23:09:10 and the device dies easily, so it's not very useful for outsiders Jul 03 23:09:12 that causes failure on telling apart several N-key rollovers - like shift+FnJ/K Jul 03 23:09:21 or similar Jul 03 23:09:58 _Pete_: BOM: +/- 0.00$ Jul 03 23:10:41 <_Pete_> what ever that is, never occured with own device Jul 03 23:10:48 DocScrutinizer, does the same big exists now? Jul 03 23:11:07 how can I check it Jul 03 23:11:25 _Pete_: other example: electrocution path from LP5523 INT to SoC GPIO, which clearly is a massive BUG Jul 03 23:12:16 <_Pete_> DocScrutinizer: ok, I am just poor coder, dont know anything about hose Jul 03 23:12:43 I think he means he found a way for software to fry N900 components ;) Jul 03 23:12:45 _Pete_: you never noticed it, just because nobody is using the non-working 3-key combinations for anything, for quite obvious reasons Jul 03 23:12:59 s/big/bug Jul 03 23:13:09 <_Pete_> yeah :) Jul 03 23:13:40 ShadowJK: yes Jul 03 23:14:53 using a documented (in the "NDA'd" datasheet) function of LP5523 indicator light controller will possibly fry the whole SoC Jul 03 23:15:28 <_Pete_> DocScrutinizer: mmh, what are you using for this? ui spec? Jul 03 23:15:58 _Pete_: sorry, I use for what? Jul 03 23:16:14 <_Pete_> for what you said above Jul 03 23:16:14 thre N900 is sold locally here @ $544 at the cheapest place Jul 03 23:16:23 I don't think the UI spec has been leaked yet (and I'm unsure anyone wants to read it?) Jul 03 23:17:05 _Pete_: I use the datasheet of the chip. As it's about hardware, I use hardware documentation Jul 03 23:17:39 and they are selling it -as an option- in twelve installments of $45.4/month, Jul 03 23:18:23 by the time the meego phone is release, I will have paid full for N900, hopefully Jul 03 23:18:42 <_Pete_> DocScrutinizer: then you have n900 ? Jul 03 23:18:48 sure Jul 03 23:18:51 :-D Jul 03 23:18:52 so I hope they Nokia will take their sweet time this time :-) Jul 03 23:19:05 <_Pete_> ;) Jul 03 23:19:08 [2010-07-04 01:02:38] I *paid* my N900 ~july 2009. But that meant I wasn't able to put my greedy fingers on it before it was postponed the 4th time and it got November Jul 03 23:19:51 <_Pete_> yeah Jul 03 23:19:55 <_Pete_> missed that too Jul 03 23:22:11 just *maybe* I even could have implemented usb hostmode ootb - as I'm aware of problems you may occasionally encounter with certain cert authorities, and also of delays caused by BSP/driver/OS development, and how theese Jul 03 23:22:19 these two often interact Jul 03 23:23:43 for sure at least BME would have been a completely different piece of software Jul 03 23:24:24 <_Pete_> then maybe I have dev parts of n900 conversations Jul 03 23:24:40 <_Pete_> but dont be quite sure which much Jul 03 23:26:08 DocScrutinizer: have you got any of the N900++ protos? Jul 03 23:26:34 lol, no Jul 03 23:33:20 thiago_akademy: tbh I'm not even aware there are any N900++ protos. Though I guess Nokia EE is supposed to have them by now. Probably it's even almost to late to the design second checking I usually perform best on Jul 03 23:35:02 As - regarding the interval Nokia releaste new Nxxx, and the sparse rumours about 'meego' devices - they need to start PV phase right now Jul 03 23:36:12 what is PV? Jul 03 23:45:31 Production Validation Jul 03 23:46:07 running a first small sample of maybe 100 or 2000 devices thru the fab, and check for yield etc Jul 03 23:46:55 then do extensive tests on these prototypes Jul 03 23:48:07 DocScrutinizer, how long does it normally take? Jul 03 23:53:56 is/will meego have the same problem syncing with linux as maemo? Jul 03 23:54:20 <_Pete_> what is that? Jul 03 23:56:04 _Pete_, easy and direct method of synchronizing address book/contact, calender, notes etc with linux Jul 03 23:56:56 <_Pete_> hopefully not Jul 03 23:57:59 <_Pete_> would be much easier to implement than vuzzuzuz sound in bg Jul 03 23:59:44 never suffered that :-) Jul 04 00:06:52 yawn Jul 04 00:07:29 as long as gainroot still works and I can hit the right ui elements of standard gtk, it'll be worth it Jul 04 00:10:30 hi / hola Jul 04 00:11:07 u know ow can I mount a NTFS partition ? Jul 04 00:29:23 cuas Jul 04 01:18:56 anyone got meego preview working in a working dualboot config? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 04 02:59:57 2010