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Jul 04 05:39:46 <sivang> Morning all
Jul 04 05:40:13 <sivang> Is http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation the right way to go about setting up meego for development inside a virtual machine ?
Jul 04 05:47:44 <_Pete_> morning
Jul 04 05:47:58 <_Pete_> I think it's more to build image for real devic
Jul 04 05:48:23 <_Pete_> http://meego.com/developers/getting-started
Jul 04 05:48:34 <_Pete_> this is how to setup dev-env
Jul 04 05:48:42 <_Pete_> for apps?
Jul 04 05:52:23 * dm8tbr had quite some problems yesterday to get a working mic2 setup :(
Jul 04 05:52:41 <sivang> _Pete_: for apps and possbily more
Jul 04 05:55:05 <sivang> _Pete_: so using the sdk is better than trying with VirtualBox? At least I see that there's the Netbook UX with it
Jul 04 05:55:22 <sivang> _Pete_: Is there a way to get the Handheld UX as well?
Jul 04 05:55:56 <sivang> _Pete_: I'm actually looking for desktop layout and some panel modifications, so I thought I'd better havea VM or so
Jul 04 05:58:12 * sivang wonders if MeeGo will run on non Core 2 platform / non atom
Jul 04 05:59:56 <_Pete_> I guess the getting... link above will results kind of vm
Jul 04 06:00:14 <_Pete_> which have complete desktop inside that
Jul 04 06:00:29 <_Pete_> .. in case you have intel gfx
Jul 04 06:06:44 <dm8tbr> sivang: works on arm
Jul 04 06:22:37 <sivang> _Pete_: ah, but the text there says it is just the window manager and a terminal, I guess it is not clear.
Jul 04 06:24:27 * sivang wonders also how to get the latest meego netbook besides getting the sources and build yourself.
Jul 04 06:25:11 <sivang> this image is dated 24 may, seems a bit old
Jul 04 06:29:19 <sivang> dm8tbr: I see, but for easy development a proper vm would be instrumental
Jul 04 06:31:25 <sivang> _Pete_: oh I misread. I see, let me check if I have intel gfx, since I think I have an nvidia chipset :)
Jul 04 06:32:05 <sivang> _Pete_: err, nvidia geforce 9600
Jul 04 06:42:31 <dm8tbr> sivang: if there is no ready image you can use mic2 - but be warned, cryptic and not well documented process
Jul 04 06:44:09 <sivang> dm8tbr: I see, maybe we can change that, and add docs.
Jul 04 06:44:16 <sivang> dm8tbr: where is the doc you worked with?
Jul 04 06:48:07 <Myrtti> Moin
Jul 04 06:48:19 <dm8tbr> guten morgen
Jul 04 06:50:13 <dm8tbr> sivang: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation
Jul 04 06:50:58 <dm8tbr> sivang: since I'm using debian testing I ended up using the git checkout and running the test to pull in all dependencies
Jul 04 06:52:00 <sivang> dm8tbr: I use Ubuntu. Were you able to use the image inside a virutal machine application?
Jul 04 06:52:27 <dm8tbr> sivang: I'm creating an image for an actual device
Jul 04 06:52:48 <dm8tbr> and no I haven't tested it yet. it still needs some manual changes
Jul 04 06:56:44 <sivang> dm8tbr: I see. I'll go check if the CPU my lg t380 support that instruction
Jul 04 07:19:59 <reenignEesreveR> why are all downlaods in .img format? isn't ISO more useful? is there any easy+free way to convert?
Jul 04 07:20:51 <sivang> reenignEesreveR: this is an ISO :-) just rename it, as the instructions say
Jul 04 07:21:02 <reenignEesreveR> hmmm...
Jul 04 07:21:58 <reenignEesreveR> oh well, lemme try then
Jul 04 07:23:03 <sivang> reenignEesreveR: I deduced that from here http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox
Jul 04 07:23:09 <sivang> reenignEesreveR: don't hold me accountable :)
Jul 04 07:23:21 <reenignEesreveR> :(
Jul 04 07:24:49 <amjad> ok is there any plan to have oo in netbook version of meego say in 1.1 ??
Jul 04 07:26:07 <dm8tbr> besides mic2 is supposed to convert images between all sorts of formats
Jul 04 07:35:19 <MasterMatan> hello, where i can find meego sdk for linux (ubuntu)
Jul 04 07:37:27 <sivang> MasterMatan: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux
Jul 04 07:38:18 <MasterMatan> thank you so much :)
Jul 04 07:39:38 <sivang> MasterMatan: you are welcome
Jul 04 08:00:12 <meegodotby> hi all
Jul 04 08:00:54 <amjad> hi meego
Jul 04 08:05:48 <meegodotby> i install 1.0 in virtualbox 3.1.2 on HP mini 5101
Jul 04 08:05:54 <meegodotby> and
Jul 04 08:06:05 <meegodotby> have a problems
Jul 04 08:06:51 <meegodotby> where there can be a manual from developers?
Jul 04 08:08:03 <meegodotby> and where bug page?
Jul 04 08:11:41 <meegodotby> who speaks on russian?
Jul 04 08:13:44 <thiago_akademy> there's a bugzilla on the website
Jul 04 08:15:20 <meegodotby> ok
Jul 04 08:16:00 <meegodotby> the question about bug page taken off
Jul 04 08:16:15 <sivang> meegodotby: how did you install it?
Jul 04 08:17:48 <meegodotby> step by step?
Jul 04 08:21:30 <sivang> meegodotby: more to ask - what doc did you use?
Jul 04 08:23:16 <meegodotby> after loading installed the system and last answers all hangs with dark screen
Jul 04 08:26:30 <meegodotby> i wish to prepare manual for installation in Russian for meego.by
Jul 04 08:28:29 <meegodotby> also i wish to find a starting point on a theme with documentation
Jul 04 08:30:14 <meegodotby> i am already familiar with http://bugs.meego.com/query.cgi
Jul 04 08:54:49 <meegodotby> excuse, something has found
Jul 04 09:12:08 <reenignEesreveR> when i boot meego natively on my laptop, it works well. but when i run it in virtualbox, it shows a black screen ... any idea if i can run it in emulator on my machine? (intel core i3)
Jul 04 09:38:06 <meegodotby> reenignEesreveR: too most, what a videocard
Jul 04 09:38:23 <meegodotby> host OS?
Jul 04 09:38:31 <reenignEesreveR> windows 7 is the host OS
Jul 04 09:38:44 <reenignEesreveR> 64 bit
Jul 04 09:39:17 <reenignEesreveR> and i've got builtin intel media graphics accelerator HD
Jul 04 09:39:42 <meegodotby> 945?
Jul 04 09:43:06 <meegodotby> intel chipset?
Jul 04 10:02:24 <reenignEesreveR> ummm.... isnt 945 oldie?
Jul 04 10:02:46 <niqt> hi
Jul 04 10:03:21 <reenignEesreveR> hi
Jul 04 10:04:49 <reenignEesreveR> my X server won't start :(
Jul 04 10:05:04 <niqt> I want to start using the SDK for handsets, but I can not find information on how to set it up. The emulator is for version neetbook (I would also start to see the touch famework)
Jul 04 10:07:11 <Surfa> niqt, how about qt sdk simply, or what are you trying to do?
Jul 04 10:08:08 <niqt> i should simulator for handset, and try touch framework
Jul 04 10:12:01 <Surfa> niqt, someone summarized the need this way "for application devlopers nokia qt sdk should be enough, and meego sdk more for platform developers" i don't know really, but sounds reasonable, which one are you? :)
Jul 04 10:13:55 <niqt> i can sue nokia sdk how for maemo, but i want install handset version on N900 to try it
Jul 04 10:16:02 <niqt> how i can install touch framework on sdk (this is my question)?
Jul 04 11:35:55 <sivang> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRUvOWRK-N0&feature=channel
Jul 04 11:36:10 <sivang> this is what happens when you go too far with (a)iPhones :-)
Jul 04 11:36:17 <sivang> a nice laugh for a sunday
Jul 04 12:18:31 <zhasha_> so, meego devs, I take it you dropped Gtk+ and related libraries completely?
Jul 04 12:39:53 <TSCHAKeee2> .
Jul 04 12:41:11 <Jaffa> zhasha_: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-July/003650.html
Jul 04 12:42:44 <zhasha_> Jaffa: do you know if there are any plans to write a theme engine for Gtk+ so it doesn't look like something straight out of 1995?
Jul 04 12:56:08 <Jaffa> zhasha: Well, I believe the plan will go: get gtk+ working; get hildon working; get them looking integrated
Jul 04 15:22:15 <Lantizia> Hey why use brtfs when it's not ready yet
Jul 04 15:22:33 <sevla> yo no se
Jul 04 15:23:20 <Lantizia> ? ? ?
Jul 04 15:24:16 <lcuk> Lantizia, perhaps because meego isnt thinking about now, but the future
Jul 04 15:24:37 <Lantizia> given 1.0 is out now... that is not the future
Jul 04 15:25:00 <lcuk> oh cool, where can i buy a meego handset?
Jul 04 15:25:15 <Lantizia> not far in to the future :)
Jul 04 15:25:31 <Lantizia> and certainly not before btrfs is declared to be stable
Jul 04 15:25:46 <Lantizia> -not
Jul 04 15:25:59 <Lantizia> you know what I meant :)
Jul 04 15:26:05 <lcuk> of course
Jul 04 15:26:56 <lcuk> so what does it need to have done to be declared stable
Jul 04 15:27:33 <Lantizia> needs the day where I can walk in to #btrfs and say "is this for production use?" and not get laughed at
Jul 04 15:27:58 <Lantizia> got a 2TB disk and I was wondering ext4 vs btrfs... which is why I'm wondering why meego uses it
Jul 04 15:28:03 <lcuk> thats easy, we can just mute everyone in hte channel
Jul 04 15:28:07 <lcuk> but i mean a real test
Jul 04 15:29:09 <lcuk> it would be awesome to get space rating for stuff like this "our software is used on the ISS" :D
Jul 04 15:35:10 <Lantizia> lcuk, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/btrfs-tools
Jul 04 15:35:14 <Lantizia> WARNING: Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review.
Jul 04 15:35:29 <Lantizia> I consider Debian to be the masters of what is and is not stable :)
Jul 04 15:35:42 <lcuk> as do many people :)
Jul 04 15:35:55 <CosmoHill> hey lcuk
Jul 04 15:36:10 <lcuk> hey CosmoHill mikhas
Jul 04 15:36:18 <Lantizia> Well Btrfs is claimed to be another 2 years until it's totally ready
Jul 04 15:36:27 <Lantizia> So I'll find MeeGo handsets in the shops 2 years from now?
Jul 04 15:37:23 <CosmoHill> lcuk: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/source.tar.bz2
Jul 04 15:37:33 <CosmoHill> my university C++ assignment code :)
Jul 04 15:37:44 <lcuk> Lantizia, that sounds reasonable ;) its how far before the 2 years it can be done in lol
Jul 04 15:38:05 <Lantizia> lcuk, and there was me thinking we'd see a MeeGo handset before the year was done
Jul 04 15:38:06 <lcuk> CosmoHill, why have you named it "source"
Jul 04 15:38:30 <CosmoHill> it's only temp
Jul 04 15:38:31 <mikhas> hi lcuk
Jul 04 15:38:45 <lcuk> hey mikhas how is #miniature going for you
Jul 04 15:38:57 <lcuk> (i saw you bob in this morning after i got up)
Jul 04 15:39:28 <Lantizia> I take it theres no urgency for MeeGo?  i.e. no handset manufacturers have set a date of when they need it for?
Jul 04 15:39:35 <lcuk> CosmoHill, put your source on a git repository :p
Jul 04 15:39:40 <CosmoHill> it's in svn
Jul 04 15:39:50 <mikhas> lcuk, currently albanc is very active there, to get this p2p stuff working. myself, I havent done much at all for it lately =(
Jul 04 15:39:54 <CosmoHill> (svn over ssh)
Jul 04 15:40:19 <lcuk> heh mikhas have you been checking out testing the branched? albanc managed to have online games i heard
Jul 04 15:41:11 * lcuk is diving back into liqbase branches anyway, ive got a headsplitting portrait patch to sort out
Jul 04 15:41:27 <Lantizia> I take it theres no answer to that then?
Jul 04 15:43:35 <CosmoHill> Lantizia: as far as I know there isn't anyone
Jul 04 15:43:59 <Lantizia> LG claim to be launching the GW990 2nd half 2010 with meego
Jul 04 15:44:16 <Lantizia> thats... now
Jul 04 15:44:21 <Lantizia> :)
Jul 04 15:44:24 <w00t_> the GW990 was cancelled
Jul 04 15:44:53 <Lantizia> ok so there is no rush for meego then as there are no handsets expecting to use it?
Jul 04 15:45:23 <Lantizia> i.e. were not going to see an N910 at xmas with MeeGo 1.2 and it's half finished with a shit load of bugs
Jul 04 15:45:33 * w00t_ shrugs
Jul 04 15:45:39 <w00t_> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/1510 is worth a read
Jul 04 15:45:58 <Lantizia> already read it
Jul 04 15:45:58 <CosmoHill> oh that's it
Jul 04 15:46:06 <CosmoHill> I'm installing NTP on my server
Jul 04 16:02:01 * CosmoHill compiles a NTP package for his server
Jul 04 16:08:32 <CosmoHill> on the 16th of May the Laser was 50 years old :)
Jul 04 16:11:32 <lcuk> CosmoHill, i do hope you said "laser" in dr evils voice
Jul 04 16:19:21 <TSCHAKeee2> and in celebration, the US Government installed two bases on the moon, Moon Unit Alpha, and Moon Unit Zappa...
Jul 04 16:19:24 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Jul 04 16:20:37 <CosmoHill> http://black-flag.co.uk/files/ntp.spec
Jul 04 16:20:41 <CosmoHill> how does this look to people?
Jul 04 17:48:43 <meegodotby> what a root filesystem of meego default?
Jul 04 17:49:00 <CosmoHill> btfs
Jul 04 17:50:34 <meegodotby> what a kernel module
Jul 04 17:50:36 <meegodotby> ?
Jul 04 17:51:06 <meegodotby> for btfs
Jul 04 17:52:06 <CosmoHill> not sure
Jul 04 17:52:10 <CosmoHill> might be build in
Jul 04 17:52:39 <CosmoHill> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIzOA
Jul 04 17:58:21 <meegodotby> thanks  for the link
Jul 04 17:59:57 <meegodotby> Btrfs has been in the mainline Linux kernel since the Linux 2.6.29
Jul 04 18:07:37 <amjad> lsmod will list all modules build in meego
Jul 04 18:12:57 <thiago_akademy> no, it will list the modules loaded
Jul 04 18:13:03 <thiago_akademy> modules available are in modprobe -l
Jul 04 18:16:55 <amjad> sorry , messed up my commands
Jul 04 19:03:30 <CosmoHill> top gear :)
Jul 04 20:08:35 <kniu> I just installed this OS,
Jul 04 20:08:49 <kniu> and though I'm impressed by its slickness, there's some major issues.
Jul 04 20:09:04 <kniu> how come the internet craps out randomly every few minutes or so?
Jul 04 20:09:28 <kniu> and where's the package manager?
Jul 04 20:09:49 <kniu> and how do I access my existing ntfs partition?
Jul 04 20:27:40 <CosmoHill> kniu: check on the forums for the ntfs thing
Jul 04 22:09:53 <antidoto> hi ppl
Jul 04 22:14:08 <CosmoHill> hello clog
Jul 04 23:17:29 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jul 04 23:19:00 <CosmoHill> one day I'll get him...
Jul 04 23:19:14 * CosmoHill strokes a white cat
Jul 05 00:01:53 <noname_> hello in which languages can i develop an application for meego?
Jul 05 00:03:00 <CosmoHill> Qt
Jul 05 00:03:20 <ScottishDuck> asm
Jul 05 00:03:38 <mod700> CosmoHill, only Qt?
Jul 05 00:04:09 <CosmoHill> I'm not sure but i think so
Jul 05 00:04:20 <noname_> okay then c++ rite?
Jul 05 00:04:26 <CosmoHill> yes
Jul 05 00:04:38 <ScottishDuck> haskell only
Jul 05 00:04:48 <noname_> but i read something like it can be programmed in java and python also is it possible?
Jul 05 00:04:56 <ScottishDuck> >java
Jul 05 00:05:25 <mod700> would be cool with other bind languages, like PyQt
Jul 05 00:07:14 <brik> you can use python with qt
Jul 05 00:07:21 <CosmoHill> hey brik
Jul 05 00:07:33 <brik> hei CosmoHill :)
Jul 05 00:07:57 <mod700> what languages I can use on meego?
Jul 05 00:08:15 <CosmoHill> brik: http://www.seapets.co.uk/gallery/858533-large.jpg < have a hamster in a car
Jul 05 00:08:31 <brik> lol, aw
Jul 05 00:09:25 <chriadam> guys... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MeeGo just a linux distribution with certain components provided by Nokia/Intel/the Community?  I would be... highly surprised if developers would be artificially limited to a particular programming language or toolkit.
Jul 05 00:10:15 <mod700> chriadam, I agree with you
Jul 05 00:11:04 <chriadam> obviously, there will be an officially supported development environment/development tools.  but if you want to develop an application in another language, and the tools are available on the platform, I don't see what would be stopping you...
Jul 05 00:16:35 <mod700> chriadam, The importance would be by question of you to develop an application, made using PyQt, being that PyQt is not officaly supported on meego. So, the users had to download all the libs to run your app.
Jul 05 00:17:13 <CosmoHill> i should meattion that I just hang out in the channels
Jul 05 00:17:20 <CosmoHill> I'm not a developer or anything
Jul 05 01:12:01 <ljp> i thought meego was liited to objective-c only /me shrugs
Jul 05 01:12:05 <ljp> limited
Jul 05 01:13:22 <Robot101> ljp: did you mean C++? :P
Jul 05 01:13:26 <Robot101> ljp: or, not meego
Jul 05 01:23:39 <ljp> being silly
Jul 05 01:23:57 <ljp> objective-c++
Jul 05 01:30:57 <Robot101> :)
Jul 05 01:31:27 <Robot101> I wish I knew what my BeBox password was
Jul 05 01:31:28 <Robot101> sigh
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