**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 02:59:57 2010 Jul 08 03:00:03 anyone know how to converts a vmlinuz into a zImage ? i.e. remove bootsect.o...piggy.o and get back the ELF kernel image Jul 08 03:00:05 Netbook UX uses Mutter Jul 08 03:00:16 Handset UX uses mcompositor+libmeegotouch Jul 08 03:00:20 of course Jul 08 03:00:28 you could have figured that out, with a little trip through the wiki. Jul 08 03:00:29 luke-jr, GTK+ is available to use but the Nokia system will be almost exclusively Qt based Jul 08 03:00:46 and yes, in case you can't put 2+2 together Jul 08 03:00:53 mcompositor+libmeegotouch is based on Qt. Jul 08 03:01:00 * luke-jr looked at MeeGo's site for an answer before asking on IRC Jul 08 03:01:07 I leave it to you and your capable hands to figure out how to use it. Jul 08 03:04:12 Curiously, Google finds nothing useful on mcompositor at all, let alone a wiki page for it Jul 08 03:04:37 meegotouch-compositor Jul 08 03:05:03 changed names again Jul 08 03:05:05 heh Jul 08 03:05:10 chriadam: you took all the fun out of this :( this was the most #meego traffic I've seen in weeks. luke-jr meets #meego ;) Jul 08 03:05:38 asj: I've been in here for weeks Jul 08 03:38:38 I suspect I'm poking a hornet's nest, but here goes: any plans for Poulsbo support? Jul 08 03:42:15 gnomon: go for it. ;) Jul 08 03:46:20 TSCHAKeee, I would love to, but throwing myself simultaneously at the tasks of reverse engineering img-tec's hardware and fending off their lawyers isn't really what I had in mind. Jul 08 03:47:01 hahaha i understand Jul 08 08:35:08 what's the correct argument for libsocialweb to use NetworkManager instead of conman? Jul 08 08:35:34 could you rephrase that question a bit? Jul 08 08:36:03 I currently have --with-online=NetworkManager as part of configure, but it bombs out saying it cant work out how to get online Jul 08 08:36:22 ah Jul 08 09:04:15 `utf Jul 08 09:10:11 FunkyPenguin: well you're capitalising it wrongly Jul 08 09:10:25 FunkyPenguin: the configure.ac shows that's it's --with-online=networkmanager Jul 08 09:10:45 robster, yup caught that Jul 08 09:11:09 ah i worked it out - i missed the devel package out :/ Jul 08 09:11:16 thanks though Jul 08 09:11:27 yes you'll need libnm-glib Jul 08 09:21:10 oh arse, all the moblin* packages have been renamed to meego* Jul 08 09:21:26 makes sense but... Jul 08 10:10:31 hi all Jul 08 10:12:27 Is there a hal package in Meego? Jul 08 10:12:54 no HAL in meego Jul 08 10:13:21 Stskeeps : thanks Jul 08 10:27:03 hello all Jul 08 10:43:00 Hmm mic fresh from git is showing a wrong meego url. Jul 08 10:43:28 mic --help |tail -n 1 Jul 08 10:43:28 * http://www.meego.org/ Jul 08 10:47:57 is the networks panel new? Jul 08 10:48:41 for me - no Jul 08 10:49:04 * FunkyPenguin didnt remember seeing it when 1.0 was released in may Jul 08 10:49:41 i installed update 1.0.1, when click web-pan - have crash message about web-panel Jul 08 11:01:13 reboot test upgrade Jul 08 11:22:59 So, I saw an email about a large update, is that something that has hit the repo? I just installed again last night from alpha-testing Ubuntu 10.10 Jul 08 11:27:23 Also, I'm logged into Last.FM, gave it the permissions it needs, but I can't play my lastfm content through Banshee Jul 08 11:29:07 It's telling me "This station is only available to subscribers" so it's like I'm not logged in Jul 08 11:29:56 but indeed it says i am Jul 08 11:30:11 Any protips? Jul 08 11:35:51 subscribers, as in not for people with free accounts? Jul 08 11:36:48 I don't know, actually. Jul 08 11:37:03 I suppose I could grab Pro status again and see if that'll help Jul 08 11:37:33 I'm able to play them in Rhythmbox, however Jul 08 11:37:43 on my Ubuntu install, without a Pro account Jul 08 11:42:17 in a similar fashion (create a new Similar station with an artist's name, it populates a playlist, and hit 'play') Jul 08 11:47:47 and another Jul 08 11:48:04 Is there a any devicekit packages in Meego? Jul 08 11:54:41 meegodotby: yes Jul 08 12:12:43 anyone able to help out with a packaging error for -panel-web please? http://pastie.org/1035800 Jul 08 12:28:43 FunkyPenguin: it doesn't seems like a packaging error Jul 08 12:31:46 fabo, not entirely but hopefully someone has encountered/fixed it before Jul 08 12:42:40 Is it correct to assume that the MeeGo version number is in Major.minor.revision format? Jul 08 12:42:50 I.e. 1.0.1 Jul 08 12:53:55 jeremiah: don't think so Jul 08 13:04:28 FunkyPenguin: are you using *exactly* the same chromium as meego shipped with? Jul 08 13:07:04 A variant of nascent version of MeeGo running on a Lenovo Pad powered by Atom. This was when MeeGo did not have polished GUI Jul 08 13:07:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6muBs8LUlYU Jul 08 13:07:19 FunkyPenguin: also, have you checked that you can legally distribute the assets: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux/mutter-meego/blobs/meego-1.0/data/theme/LICENSE ? Jul 08 13:09:18 robster, im using a slightly newer release iirc Jul 08 13:09:50 so i need to make sure im compliant first? Jul 08 13:10:56 FunkyPenguin: i'm not a lawyer, i'm just pointing out that the mutter-moblin and moblin-icon-theme for meego 1.0 and above have that license for the assets Jul 08 13:11:32 worth asking on meego-dev Jul 08 13:11:41 robster, the license hasnt changed from moblin 2.1 has it? Jul 08 13:11:57 i think the real bugger is when a device is made with it, but cant be sure Jul 08 13:12:13 FunkyPenguin: that license is from meego 1.0 forward, for moblin 2.1 the assets were under the same license as the code, LGPLv2.1 Jul 08 13:12:28 i know i was ok for that - i had to go through novell legal to get the packages in distro Jul 08 13:12:30 ah bugger Jul 08 13:12:35 FunkyPenguin: so yes, this is a change. Jul 08 13:13:14 ok, i'll get someone to check for me that understands the mumbojumbo Jul 08 13:35:07 robster, am i restricted to *exactly* the same chromium release as you guys? it's a pita from a security standpoint if i am Jul 08 13:44:11 robster: getting a lot of crashes with moblin-pabel-web since the upgrade last night Jul 08 13:51:10 slaine: open bug reports please Jul 08 13:51:30 autoreported the crashes at least Jul 08 13:53:04 slaine: oh, that'll probably get ignored Jul 08 13:53:21 slaine: that tool is really in beta Jul 08 13:53:23 yeah, figured, reporting via bugzilal too Jul 08 14:26:20 holy f Jul 08 14:32:13 holy g Jul 08 14:33:42 holy meego Jul 08 14:34:08 anaZ: holy fremantle? Jul 08 14:34:09 :-P Jul 08 14:34:35 holy falafel Jul 08 14:36:24 is it friday yet? Jul 08 14:36:41 http://isitfridayyet.org/ Jul 08 15:03:39 w00t_: who the hell is paying 12eur a year for that domain? Jul 08 15:04:08 no clue Jul 08 15:04:22 "beta" Jul 08 18:35:27 anyone know how functional meego currently is on the n900? Jul 08 18:36:08 Jef91, not very Jul 08 18:36:11 you can't make phone calls Jul 08 18:36:15 or charge the battery Jul 08 18:36:38 LOL good to know. Can it be dual booted with Maemo? Jul 08 18:37:53 Yes Jul 08 18:38:13 Although you'll have to change kernels each time Jul 08 18:38:24 Got a link to a HOWTO offhand? GAN900? Jul 08 18:38:36 Not handy Jul 08 18:38:49 oh, and does wifi at least work on the n900 with meego? Jul 08 18:39:10 no Jul 08 18:39:14 not right now anyway Jul 08 18:40:22 ahh alrighty then. It's kinda sad that the Andriod port currently has more functions working on the n900 than meego does when Meego is suppose to be half based off of maemo... Jul 08 18:52:33 does meego have ntp? Jul 08 19:23:10 CosmoHill: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/1.0.80.9.20100706.1/core/repos/source/ Jul 08 19:23:16 thanks Jul 08 19:23:27 (yes) Jul 08 19:24:17 lots of patches Jul 08 19:24:26 non of which I've used in my RPM :/ Jul 08 19:33:30 How do you get the n900 .ks to draw from 1.0.80.9 instead of 80.8? Jul 08 19:33:40 do you simply change the name of the .ks? Jul 08 19:33:42 change the name? Jul 08 19:33:47 ah Jul 08 19:33:49 it would be in the ks file somewhere Jul 08 19:33:58 I'll try that later Jul 08 19:35:07 what lisence in the boot script under? Jul 08 19:38:15 no idea Jul 08 19:39:53 You have to agree to a restrictive non-redistributable user agreement though Jul 08 19:40:41 ? Jul 08 19:42:12 wb Jul 08 19:46:55 ugh... BT Jul 08 19:50:15 hehe Jul 08 19:51:31 ScottishDuck: IRC is working but my web isn't Jul 08 19:51:35 I can't view any websites Jul 08 19:51:44 and I think mum's just lost WOW Jul 08 20:45:56 does meego use HAL or udisks? Jul 08 20:46:39 lpotter, devicekit-power Jul 08 20:46:45 err, devicekit Jul 08 20:55:28 Anyone knows if Ekiga is/will be available for Meego? Jul 08 20:59:00 currently isn't Jul 08 20:59:53 Pretty lame of skype not to offer video chat on Linux (other than on Meego) Jul 08 21:00:27 uh what? Jul 08 21:00:45 i used video chat under linux for at least the last two years. Jul 08 21:00:49 messerting: and Maemo Jul 08 21:00:55 under skype Jul 08 21:01:09 although I have to shower after I use skype Jul 08 21:01:12 lbt: yep, I actually meant meego (which I'm running on my N900) Jul 08 21:01:29 messerting: you mean you mean you meant maemo? Jul 08 21:01:30 :-) Jul 08 21:01:51 w00t_: err, yep... wow, I'm tired :) Jul 08 21:02:03 you meant "I'm awake"? Jul 08 21:02:04 TSCHAKeee: You can video call with skype on linux? Jul 08 21:02:20 messerting: yes, for about two or three years now Jul 08 21:02:28 i had it on my eeePC 701 under the eee Linux, and on my ubuntu desktop yeah Jul 08 21:02:49 Hm, maybe I'm thinking of x86_64 Jul 08 21:03:02 you can't video call from maemo skyp to linux skype Jul 08 21:03:07 that's the current issue Jul 08 21:03:11 * Myrtti just started Skype on her x86_64 Jul 08 21:03:12 anaZ (or anyone) how is meego packaging tools for use by other distros? (If at all?) Jul 08 21:03:13 linux -> linux works Jul 08 21:03:13 works Jul 08 21:03:23 you can download skype on linux Jul 08 21:03:28 and linux -> windows works Jul 08 21:03:34 that oddly sounds like retarded serialization problem Jul 08 21:03:35 but maemo -> linux doesn't Jul 08 21:03:39 lol Jul 08 21:04:17 I also run skype on my x86_64, but I cannot video call with it Jul 08 21:04:18 not enough first born sacrifices going on! Jul 08 21:04:30 LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype Jul 08 21:05:25 lbt, wasnt there a long thread last 48h about packaging and use of spectacle and the deviations from rpm spec? Jul 08 21:06:01 (specifically mentioning using rpms on other distros) Jul 08 21:07:17 lcuk: yes... but I was more thinking about how we publish mic2 etc for users of fedora/ubuntu Jul 08 21:09:20 mic2 being the image builder tool which coalesces binary rpms into an image, rather than the actual rpm spec->binary part of packaging? Jul 08 21:09:39 yes Jul 08 21:10:09 BTW... I keep meaning to find out... can I run MeeGo on an old laptop? Jul 08 21:10:35 even if it doesn't have intel graphics? Jul 08 21:10:57 what graphics does it have? Jul 08 21:11:11 dunno... I'd have to find the PSU ;) Jul 08 21:11:14 well since we should have meego on a 00mhz arm ;) if it DOESNT want to run on these swanky pentium m >1ghz machines theres something funky :P Jul 08 21:11:16 sony vaio Jul 08 21:11:20 and a dell latitude Jul 08 21:11:22 600mhz arm ^ Jul 08 21:11:38 depends on the kernel Jul 08 21:11:57 if the kernel was built requires ssse3, than p1 cpu's are out of the question Jul 08 21:12:14 the arm kernel obviously doesn't have the same config Jul 08 21:12:17 is the kernel the main issue? Jul 08 21:12:26 lbt, graphics drivers are another Jul 08 21:12:42 well lbt, in the past moblin UX/libs sat happily ontop of ubuntu Jul 08 21:12:43 not all graphics kernel or userspace drivers are built in Jul 08 21:12:55 is anyone interested in making a community kernel - non ssse3 Jul 08 21:13:12 i think jebba offered sometime ago :P Jul 08 21:13:43 the community OBS is open for beta testing for devs who can help identify (and fix) issues Jul 08 21:13:51 also, iirc, all the x86 packages are built with atom optimizations Jul 08 21:14:26 yeah... I'm *so* tempted to do a community rebuild... but I don't think we have the grunt Jul 08 21:14:34 lbt - you have the grunt Jul 08 21:14:45 and the knowledge Jul 08 21:14:56 remember, individuals build entire distros from scratch Jul 08 21:15:07 if obs is open enough, you should be able to do just that Jul 08 21:15:11 isnt that what gentoo ricing is all about Jul 08 21:15:19 trip0: we have the community OBS Jul 08 21:15:23 even x86)64 Jul 08 21:15:31 lbt: link? Jul 08 21:15:33 it's about getting a few people who have the commitment Jul 08 21:15:40 trip0: my ssh key ;) Jul 08 21:15:59 there should be a web interface no? Jul 08 21:16:01 what prevents this from being built at home Jul 08 21:17:04 ps - i did hear right that the meego on n900 still lacks wifi? Jul 08 21:17:32 as in, to test it it needs to be via usb net Jul 08 21:21:07 Ah, here's the link - I'm not the only one struggling with video calls from maemo to linux: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=53579&page=10 Jul 08 21:21:20 calling to windows clients works fine though Jul 08 21:21:58 lbt, so for the community obs Jul 08 21:22:12 i remember how you described it in the past Jul 08 21:22:30 of giving .tar.gz and .dsc and getting out working packages for multiple arches Jul 08 21:22:37 you mentioned x86 arm at the time Jul 08 21:23:51 i gather it is just as simple to direct it to give atom_meego/arm_meego/arm_fremantle/x86_fremantle Jul 08 21:24:39 and does not require extra "effort", merely build time increases because the OBS farm is already capable and configured Jul 08 21:27:56 lcuk: correct Jul 08 21:29:01 lbt, so since an OBS instance is what builds meego itself (I believe), then we could just put an end to bashing old machine problem if we had a meego for normal x86 principle build? Jul 08 21:29:14 yes Jul 08 21:29:31 simple as that really Jul 08 21:29:39 lcuk: that's what I was trying to say elsewhere :) Jul 08 21:29:55 and so, people with purebred intel chipset laptops of reasonable age can install/test/improve meego without much further effort Jul 08 21:30:05 w00t_, its what ive been saying since day1 of meego Jul 08 21:30:40 lcuk: see my email to -dev today... Jul 08 21:30:47 lbt, it would mean one major problem though Jul 08 21:31:12 the page listing meego compatible devices will be slow to load! :p Jul 08 21:31:25 so... if people know what osc is and can prove to me they're trustworthy then we can see about getting them beta test accounts if they want to help fix issues Jul 08 21:31:47 sure, but obs does have its downsides at the moment Jul 08 21:32:15 because of the restrictions on *which* source you can build using the principle opensuse infrastructure Jul 08 21:32:25 it would have to be primary meego servers Jul 08 21:33:01 or we host the alternative community ones at a nice open source haven :) maemo Jul 08 21:33:46 OBS Beta devs, register here :- http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder Jul 08 21:35:02 :D Jul 08 21:35:36 vgrade, thats quite an opportune time :P Jul 08 21:36:37 http://gitorious.org/mer/osc? Jul 08 21:37:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building Jul 08 21:37:29 but for spec Jul 08 21:46:06 Hey am trying to set up a non-standard partition layout for MeeGo on a eeepc 901. I have an 8GB sd card which i want to use as the / since its twice the size of the devices internal drive. I want to use its secondary 15gb drive as /home and if possible use the 4gb internal drive for something but dunno what. Does anyone have any suggestions? I have tried this layout but only got it to work once and that was using the 4GB drive as / the 15G Jul 08 21:46:06 B as /home and I wasnt using the 8GB drive. Jul 08 22:37:48 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 08 22:38:08 rawr **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 22:47:23 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 00:18:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 02:59:57 2010