**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 02:59:56 2010 Jul 20 03:10:33 Thordasin, I can't speak directly to experience with it. Jul 20 03:11:04 Thordasin, but MeeGo should be much easier to make work for your purposes than Maemo. Jul 20 03:11:35 Thordasin, although I suspect things are a bit early yet for the N900 hardware support to really make it useful. Jul 20 03:13:43 thanks for the input, really as i understand it the screen, keyboard and wireless are working, is this correct? Jul 20 03:14:09 Thordasin, wireless is sort of working. Jul 20 03:14:25 Thordasin, cellular and GPS are not. Jul 20 03:15:31 Thordasin, I'd recommend emailing the MeeGo-dev list and/or asking your question during European/US working hours. Jul 20 03:15:33 *chuckle* whats does sorta working men :) can i get an ssh session going? Jul 20 03:15:55 Thordasin, as there will be more people with direct knowledge on then. Jul 20 03:16:06 Thordasin, bugs that cause connection flakiness Jul 20 03:16:24 i sure will, do you know how far they are ahead of us? Jul 20 03:16:37 Thordasin, Finnland. Jul 20 03:16:43 Which is +2 UTC Jul 20 03:17:00 s/Finnland/Finland/ Jul 20 03:17:50 i never was good with time i'm in −6 utc so they are 8 ahead or behind? Jul 20 03:18:06 Thordasin, the Intel team is mosly in Washington. Jul 20 03:18:11 Thordasin, ahead. Jul 20 03:18:52 5:18 or so there now. Jul 20 03:19:00 ONE LAST QUEST AND I'LL LEAVE YOU BE :) I NOTICE THE IMAGE BUILDER USES RPM'S ARE THEY USEING A FEDORA PORT? Jul 20 03:19:24 Thordasin, no, MeeGo's its own upstream. Jul 20 03:19:42 It's not based on any other distro Jul 20 03:20:01 (although it shares some traits with some, including Fedora) Jul 20 03:20:18 SO EVERYTHING WILL HAVE TO BE PORTED NEW, YOU CAN'T USE ANY OF THE ARMEL STUFF FROM FEDORA RIGHT? Jul 20 03:21:01 I CAN'T HEAR YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK UP PLZ? Jul 20 03:21:27 Porting workload shouldn't be overwhelming. Jul 20 03:21:50 i asume my caps lock was stuck?? i'm blind and didn't notice *smile* Jul 20 03:21:55 swc|666, presumably he can't see. . . . Jul 20 03:21:59 Yeah. :P Jul 20 03:22:05 lol Jul 20 03:22:45 Thordasin, I don't believe it'll be more worse than porting from Debian to Ubuntu or Debian to Maemo. Jul 20 03:22:58 Although my expertise in this area is quite limited. Jul 20 03:23:09 * GAN900 is a community guy Jul 20 03:23:18 is meego using busybox or no? Jul 20 03:23:20 well i really appreciate you takeing the time to give me this info, i'll try and get up early tommorrow and catch the developers :) Jul 20 03:23:59 Thordasin, no problem. And good luck. :) Jul 20 03:24:39 Personally I find the idea of a blind-accessible smartphone badass. Jul 20 03:24:49 swc|666, I think it depends on the UX. Jul 20 03:25:01 thanks, i'll give you a shout on here and tell you how i've done if i make any progress :) Jul 20 03:26:06 there actually are a couple of them now the iphone has voice over buil-in and the android phones come with talkback built-in Jul 20 03:27:33 Yes, but one that's not evil and/or closed. :P Jul 20 03:27:39 and of course there are screen readers you can purchase for windows mobile symbian and black berries Jul 20 03:28:40 true thats why i want to start with meego from the ground up to try and get something we can make free and open. Jul 20 03:29:49 heck i'd be thrilled just to have text consoles with speakup on my n900 so i can have a pocket linux :) Jul 20 03:30:39 well g-night guys i'm gonna crash so i can get up early and hit this channel again :) Jul 20 04:31:18 örrörörörör Jul 20 04:59:02 morning Myrtti Jul 20 05:06:23 Thordasin: i'd look into the capabilities of Qt - at least http://qt.nokia.com/about/news/archive/00000176/ discusses this topic. handset UX is built upon qt and libmeegotouch so maybe it can be modded sufficiently Jul 20 05:06:26 heya Sts, Myrtti Jul 20 05:06:47 morn RST38h Jul 20 05:07:24 Sts: My prayers have been answered: Grilo plugin for MAFW lets you brwse the file system for music, finally =) Jul 20 05:07:44 ah Jul 20 05:09:34 Hi all! Jul 20 05:10:38 stskeeps, thanks much i will read that right away. do you know if meego boots into a text console now? Jul 20 05:10:59 Thordasin: well, depending on device and .ks Jul 20 05:11:51 well what i have is an n900 and i'd love to get it to boot into a text console with the speakup module added to the kernel. Jul 20 05:12:17 Thordasin: for nokia n900 we're booting into UX but it's a one-liner to get it booting into a prompt instead Jul 20 05:12:37 may I make a question relating the Maemo OS since in the proper channel nobody can reply to it? Jul 20 05:12:51 embedded: kinda off topic here Jul 20 05:13:18 embedded, everyone here is most likely in the Maemo channel, except for the moblin and Intel people Jul 20 05:13:40 Thordasin: how hacker-ish are you? Jul 20 05:14:27 i thought i was pretty good until i tried to get orca running in maemo :) Jul 20 05:14:59 I know, but since nobody can help me in that channel I went here to get help Jul 20 05:15:07 what backend does speakup use? ALSA? Jul 20 05:15:58 (for sound) Jul 20 05:16:00 hello Jul 20 05:16:04 hi Jul 20 05:16:17 I trying to install openvg in meego Jul 20 05:16:20 Thordasin: making _anything_ running in maemo is a challenge (without clear feel of satisfaction) Jul 20 05:16:35 hariprajan: what platform? X86, ARM? Jul 20 05:16:56 Shivavg insalled and it's working fine Jul 20 05:17:03 x86 Jul 20 05:17:28 Thordasin: are you by chance capable of getting a fedora vm or the likes? the tools for making boot images are rather fedora-specific Jul 20 05:17:31 yes it uses alsa Jul 20 05:18:10 well actually i take that back, speakup can use hardware synth on the serial ports or it can use speech dispatcher, which i believe can use alsa or pulse Jul 20 05:18:18 my issue is which implementation of openvg does meego support? Jul 20 05:18:32 hariprajan: that's a good question - worth sending to meego-dev@meego.com i beleive Jul 20 05:18:51 thanks your help Jul 20 05:18:55 I am doing meego testing Jul 20 05:18:57 yes, i've read the instuctions and have found a speak modiefed fedora 13 Jul 20 05:19:30 Thordasin: do you know which kernel config options have to be enabled for speakup? Jul 20 05:19:47 thanks your help , I will send a mail to them Jul 20 05:20:39 I found that meego repositery having Openvg libraries and it is missing now Jul 20 05:21:03 stskeeps, no i'm not usre which ones are required, i haven't built a kernel in gosh 6 years now i used to do it very often, i've been useing linux sin 1993 Jul 20 05:21:16 Thordasin: feel free to join #meego-arm , which is where people sit who port things to ARM and specifically, the n900 port development team sits there Jul 20 05:22:31 cool be right there Jul 20 05:22:53 I have another issue in meego , I can't play audio cd in meego , and it is not detecting "NTFS" file system, after installing NTFS-3G files , it works fine Jul 20 05:23:08 Thordasin: but i think your use case is entirely possible. my initial worry is that some things might require some kind of x server connection, not so much for ui, but for dbus communication etc Jul 20 05:23:21 do you know of any things like xterm with speakup, as that might be easier to accomplish? Jul 20 05:27:28 hi Jul 20 05:41:32 hariprajan: you quit for 1 minute. why say hi again? Jul 20 06:12:03 Hi guys Jul 20 06:12:24 Is repo.meego.com down ? Jul 20 06:12:56 I was busy upgrading from there and now I can't seem to connect to it again Jul 20 06:16:51 I downloaded the meego SDK as mentioned in http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux but I see most of the panel related packages names as moblin-panel-* inside it. Should it not be meego-panel-* instead? Jul 20 06:29:27 What is penge? Jul 20 07:18:40 um is there something up with repo.meego.com? i cant get to it for some reason Jul 20 07:18:52 yeah, same problem here Jul 20 07:18:57 there's mirrors at kernel.org or something Jul 20 07:50:09 how submit request are reviewed ? in submit order ? Jul 20 07:51:56 i guess, unless a certain order is asked - obs will sort things out normally Jul 20 07:52:53 my sr is still pending Jul 20 08:26:59 mornning Jul 20 08:27:18 Someone is using meego-sdk with fedora 13 ? Jul 20 08:37:07 Where can I find some sample code that uses mx? Jul 20 08:45:11 fabo: #ping Jul 20 08:47:40 lbt: pong Jul 20 08:48:05 I've upped the OBS community worker size and triggered a Qt rebuild Jul 20 08:48:49 FYI... when it finishes the xen chroot writes the packages to swap to pass them back to the host... Jul 20 08:49:00 it was running out of swap space Jul 20 08:50:04 lbt: does it means you should increase swap size ? Jul 20 08:50:21 yes.. done it Jul 20 08:50:36 for i in /dev/OBS/worker_swap*; do lvextend -L 2G $i; done Jul 20 08:50:44 * lbt loves lvm Jul 20 08:50:53 how many terabyte are we up at in potential space now? :P Jul 20 08:51:07 heh... we have a miserly 400Gb Jul 20 08:51:12 well, Qt is one of the bigger beast .oO(until you intend to build openoffice.org) ;) Jul 20 08:51:26 and ?chrome Jul 20 08:51:58 how much does it take chrome ? Jul 20 08:52:36 dunno - apparently it is one of the 400Mb src tarball ones Jul 20 08:53:01 it's the reason we can't have remote builds against meego.com from the community OBS :( Jul 20 08:53:01 dunno how it is built, but using system libs instead embedded copy should reduce the size Jul 20 08:53:53 lbt has this obs got the tricks and speedups you started for doing the qt builds when first discussing obs a few months ago? Jul 20 08:54:05 i recall qt was a big lump of an all day build Jul 20 08:54:25 lcuk: not quite yet Jul 20 08:54:33 they're on the meego.com OBS Jul 20 08:54:51 and we need to redo them for Fremantle and Harmattan Jul 20 08:54:55 => Build needed 01:32:49, 6416504k disc space Jul 20 08:55:13 fabo, thats a bit excessive for helloworld :p Jul 20 08:55:20 it's chrome ;) Jul 20 08:55:20 big font Jul 20 08:55:35 ok then Html>helloworld :p Jul 20 08:56:04 Morning, all Jul 20 08:56:16 I'm thinking we need to find a way to do an x86 build of MeeGo now... Jul 20 08:56:21 who's in? Jul 20 08:56:44 edit glibc spec, gcc and click 'rebuild'? Jul 20 08:57:00 Stskeeps: yeah... but its the feed and watering Jul 20 08:57:02 handset ux? Jul 20 08:57:15 and setting up project structures Jul 20 08:57:36 lbt: 'best' thing would be to do it based on meego releases, i guess Jul 20 08:57:38 do we just duplicate the MeeGo ones Jul 20 08:57:48 Stskeeps: yes... Jul 20 08:57:50 like, 1.0, 1.1 Jul 20 08:58:24 I don't know how our poor 16CPU box will cope building all of MeeGo though Jul 20 08:59:39 Hi Jaffa :)# Jul 20 09:00:03 hmmm smiley ^^ with a goatee Jul 20 09:00:19 :)~ Jul 20 09:00:26 french goatee Jul 20 09:05:09 oh, goatee, not goatse. Jul 20 09:05:26 vital difference, there Jul 20 09:06:23 * lbt refrains from starting a new set of smilies .... :O Jul 20 09:06:52 lbt: there's already one: (_O_) Jul 20 09:13:11 I need some help on mx. Is there some sample code available somewhere? Jul 20 09:37:21 The best place to learn mx is the tests directory in the mx source code. Jul 20 09:39:09 ChildOfGod: you might find this useful - http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-sdk/coding-tutorials/building-pdf-viewer-in-c Jul 20 09:40:16 townxelliot: wow, thanks :) Jul 20 09:41:32 ChildOfGod: much of the technology is deprecated (like the Linux Project Generator), and the Mx API may have changed a bit (though I did check that tutorial over in June, I think), but hopefully there's some useful stuff in there Jul 20 09:41:45 ok. Jul 20 09:42:36 ChildOfGod: some of the old Moblin sample code may also be useful: http://git.moblin.org/moblin-sdk-examples Jul 20 09:43:00 ChildOfGod: sorry, http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/moblin-sdk-examples/ Jul 20 10:00:35 lcuk: Replied to your "smart unionfs" idea with an article I was just reading in LWN Jul 20 10:01:05 \o great jaffa just opened it now Jul 20 10:01:15 * lcuk settles down with a coffee to read Jul 20 10:24:15 is it only me or repo.meego.com is down?? Jul 20 10:31:35 amjad: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/repo.meego.com Jul 20 10:32:23 thanks ChildofGod, it is down Jul 20 10:46:08 is there an irc channel for meegotouch development/developers? i don't see any action in #meegotouch on freenode Jul 20 10:47:17 Kompo: good question, I don't know where they hang out.. might be an idea to send a mail to the ML and ask whether there is anything set up Jul 20 11:09:51 about kickstarter Jul 20 11:10:07 does anyone know if there is a tool to write the yaml files? Jul 20 11:11:46 vim? :-) Jul 20 11:11:57 http://search.cpan.org/~andya/Data-YAML-0.0.6/lib/Data/YAML/Writer.pm Jul 20 11:12:01 perl module Jul 20 11:12:33 well i was hoping for something along the lines of converting a ks file to a yaml file Jul 20 11:12:44 or a kickstarter specific tool Jul 20 11:18:11 is telepathy-ring officially part of meego and is this the main source repo? Jul 20 11:18:20 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/telepathy-ring Jul 20 11:18:30 yes, yes Jul 20 11:18:41 ofono based Jul 20 11:18:42 cool, was this called something before? Jul 20 11:18:49 like robots stuff Jul 20 11:19:02 i think it's telepathy-ring from maemo5 remade for ofono Jul 20 11:19:31 hah, I might know some people who would add fso2 support if there's any interest, or making it modular enough to support both Jul 20 11:19:43 So... meego can do calls on n900 now? Jul 20 11:20:06 working on it, a lot of kernel patches to go in, plugin updates, etc Jul 20 11:20:22 right Jul 20 11:20:34 what is librtcom? Jul 20 11:20:35 Beta is set for august, right? Jul 20 11:22:25 heey i need some information about garage... i install an application correctly, but when i remove it, it leaves the dependencies installed... how can i prevent that? can i pass 2 tags "package" in garage_data.xml to force install/remove these 2 packages? Jul 20 11:31:47 win 3 Jul 20 11:35:50 hello, meego repositories down ? Jul 20 11:36:29 yes koupsaa Jul 20 11:36:35 seems so, mirrors exist Jul 20 11:38:00 ok thx, it's difficult to setup mirrors ? Jul 20 11:39:33 i thought repo was load balanced actually Jul 20 11:42:26 it is because of success, :) Jul 20 11:43:12 meego success Jul 20 11:58:43 right.. food Jul 20 12:25:51 heey i need some information about garage... i install an application correctly, but when i remove it, it leaves the dependencies installed... how can i prevent that? can i pass 2 tags "package" in garage_data.xml to force install/remove these 2 packages? Jul 20 12:29:06 luist: use nonbroken package manager Jul 20 12:29:23 luist: apt doesn't correctly handle deps removal Jul 20 12:30:07 err Jul 20 12:30:13 * slonopotamus checks channel name Jul 20 12:45:21 slonopotamus, uh? isnt zypper the default? Jul 20 12:45:55 luist: i messed up channels a bit :) can't say anything about zypper Jul 20 12:53:40 so. meego worth trying yet? ;) Jul 20 12:54:32 not this week on arm Jul 20 13:10:14 Stskeeps: ok thanks Jul 20 13:10:23 new episodes of eureka Jul 20 13:20:37 DawnFoster, any news on the compliance program? Jul 20 13:25:41 FunkyPenguin: I'll have to check. Quite a few people have been out on holiday this month, so I'm not sure exactly where we are with it. Jul 20 13:26:06 I'm hoping to get it on the next TSG agenda for Aug 4 (assuming it's ready for approval) Jul 20 13:27:18 DawnFoster, ok thanks - the trademark restrictions for themeing/icons have some major implications Jul 20 13:29:37 FunkyPenguin: We do have the trademark guidelines if that helps: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-trademark-usage-guidelines Jul 20 13:31:01 Reminder: we have a community office meeting in #meego-meeting starting in 30 minutes. Anyone can join. Agenda here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Jul 20 13:31:24 DawnFoster, thanks, but according to the rather sparse License file in say moblin-icon-theme i have to comply with the Trademark which asks for compliance Jul 20 13:31:42 is there any reason for this oddity? Jul 20 13:32:07 DawnFoster: 30 minutes? oh, thought it was tonight Jul 20 13:32:44 time to get out the door and get some cash for the delivery guys then, brb Jul 20 13:32:45 FunkyPenguin: compliance ensures that when someone calls something MeeGo that it really is MeeGo and adheres to certain standards. Jul 20 13:33:58 Stskeeps. we rotate times, so this one is at 14:00 UTC (last one was 19:00 UTC). Jul 20 13:34:02 :nod: Jul 20 13:34:03 brb Jul 20 13:35:19 DawnFoster, i understand compliance, but what about for people wanting to spread some of the love (using the user experience on another distro)? Jul 20 13:37:07 FunkyPenguin: I'm guessing you wouldn't be able to use the MeeGo logo or call it MeeGo (just a guess - I'm not in charge of compliance) Jul 20 13:38:11 ok, that's fine - sort of like what was in place with Moblin Jul 20 13:38:57 FunkyPenguin: keep in mind that it's a guess on my part, since I haven't seen the final compliance docs either :) Jul 20 13:39:21 DawnFoster, yup i understand, thanks Jul 20 13:53:33 hi Jul 20 13:54:25 I have a question: is there a build available containing the released updates for meego netbook 1.0 Jul 20 14:00:30 Community Office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Jul 20 14:04:29 heey i need some information about garage... i install an application correctly, but when i remove it, it leaves the dependencies installed... how can i prevent that? can i pass 2 tags "package" in garage_data.xml to force install/remove these 2 packages? Jul 20 14:26:46 luist: looks like this is not he place for answers, I also stated a question without any reaction Jul 20 14:27:50 HolgiDE, images are meant to be reprepared on a weekly basis Jul 20 14:27:53 i believe Jul 20 14:28:01 i am not sure if its setup, ive only seen people updating Jul 20 14:28:45 luist, right now, lbt may be the best person to ask but hes afk Jul 20 14:28:49 lcuk: can you give me a link to the source or is that just via online update? Jul 20 14:29:09 lcuk ok thx Jul 20 14:31:06 HolgiDE, i dont have any technical bits with me, someone else will Jul 20 14:31:18 lcuk: ok Jul 20 14:31:56 HolgiDE: what was your question? Jul 20 14:32:26 Stskeeps: if there are newer iamges available for netbooks than 1.0 Jul 20 14:33:01 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.11.20100716.1/netbook/images/ Jul 20 14:33:38 Stskeeps: thanks, that's exactly what I need Jul 20 14:34:16 ta Stskeeps \o Jul 20 15:03:02 DawnFoster: i guess its also about how you see your role - i personally wouldn't expect you to answer questions on tech matters in forums, except for matters related to forming community Jul 20 15:03:40 Stskeeps: me either, but when no one else is willing to step in and answer, I have to do the right thing for the community Jul 20 15:03:44 rather facilitating so others could Jul 20 15:03:50 which means answering tech questions. Jul 20 15:03:56 and agreed, always a bit of bootstrapping Jul 20 15:04:38 I've requested help answering forum questions in the past several community office meetings, in several mailing list posts, and in multiple Intel meetings Jul 20 15:05:21 lots of people complain that there isn't anything they can do to participate Jul 20 15:05:32 must be frustrating at times, yeah Jul 20 15:05:37 but they don't want to help with the areas that really need help Jul 20 15:05:49 *nod* Jul 20 15:06:00 * TSCHAKeee hugs DawnFoster i feel your pain. albeit in a different community. :) Jul 20 15:06:13 thanks Jul 20 15:06:34 I'm kind of used to it - this is typical for community managers Jul 20 15:06:37 mhm Jul 20 15:07:03 yeah..the stress is an odd one.. Jul 20 15:07:07 some drink Jul 20 15:07:10 some turn to drugs Jul 20 15:07:11 maybe something along bugjar, but for threads? Jul 20 15:07:14 some just play WoW Jul 20 15:07:17 :P Jul 20 15:07:38 mailed to -dev Jul 20 15:07:40 me, I just make voodoo dolls of all the trolls and smash them with a hammer Jul 20 15:09:08 I'll have to try the voodoo dolls - sounds like fun :) Jul 20 15:09:19 it works Jul 20 15:09:23 :) Jul 20 15:09:25 hehehehehe Jul 20 15:10:51 DawnFoster: i think a skilled set of forum people will come when QA structure becomes appearant, as people can participate in the testing and know the pitfalls Jul 20 15:11:32 same patterns goes for people in #meego-arm, we help because we've been through same troubles and know how to deal with it Jul 20 15:13:00 the reality is that answering user questions feels a lot like customer support, which isn't very sexy, so it can be hard to get people to help Jul 20 15:13:20 I've had this challenge in every community I've managed :) Jul 20 15:13:54 we need to make answering questions in the forum sexy Jul 20 15:14:07 or I need more work on those voodoo dolls and mind control Jul 20 15:14:18 I'll try anything at this point :) Jul 20 15:19:50 i guess challenge is also that well, our current stage isn't end-user 'ready' (a lot of quirks), which is even more difficult to create a forum community around Jul 20 15:21:57 exactly Jul 20 15:22:12 we have a lot of novice end users trying out a developer build Jul 20 15:22:25 always a recipe for difficult conversations Jul 20 15:22:59 heheh Jul 20 15:23:50 DawnFoster, I think one of the problems is that they for some reason expect it to be end-user ready, when its still in early kind of stages of development Jul 20 15:24:41 for my community, imagine loads of people installing what they think is XBMC on steroids.. only to fall down when they fail to understand that the system takes pre-planning to use... :/ Jul 20 15:25:33 I'm hoping it gets easier once we have OEM builds for end users Jul 20 15:26:45 it's also a bit confusing that on one side we're met with that nvidia and other things aren't supported cos of licensing, while at the same time we have 'closed' builds like chrome and flashplayer in netbook images.. Jul 20 15:27:17 agreed Jul 20 15:28:02 is repo.meego.com considered linux foundation territory or intel territory, just out of curiousity? Jul 20 15:28:51 Stskeeps: i'd have thought meego territory :-P Jul 20 15:29:41 well, meego sorts under LF - no strong feelings towards either of them :P Jul 20 15:32:57 when it comes to some licensing agreements things like that might matter, or help some issues, hence me pondering :) Jul 20 15:36:02 Good night #meego Jul 20 15:36:39 a few things are on intel servers now, but when we move them to osu those will be linux foundation, too Jul 20 15:36:43 :nod: Jul 20 15:36:46 oops, lost my connection Jul 20 15:37:12 and we're operating as if they were at the linux foundation for the most part anyway Jul 20 15:37:19 i was personally happy to see non-oss seperated out, declares things better and shows what lengths there actually are needed to make things work Jul 20 15:37:46 from a technical pov, that is Jul 20 15:38:44 stskeeps: agreed. It's funny some of the comments I hear from people who want an open source system, but they want it to work on hardware that doesn't have open source drivers :) Jul 20 15:39:29 i am personally happy if i can get the drivers in the first place.. next step is being able to redistribute the resulting image without legal consequence Jul 20 15:39:39 DawnFoster, best get the full intel graphics drivers open and available then :p Jul 20 15:40:02 you have no idea how frustrating that is for our team :) Jul 20 15:40:04 i would be happy to see something like ubuntu's closed hardware driver system in meego, like, for those unfortunate people having GMA500 or nvidia or ATI, etc Jul 20 15:40:58 yeah, I've been hammering people internally to provide some better way to do this Jul 20 15:41:11 needless to say, I don't make those decisions Jul 20 15:41:49 i bet you're happy that you don't have to at times either :P Jul 20 15:42:03 good point Jul 20 15:42:37 frankly, if those emgd drivers are distributed like they were with the IVI licensing on moblin, there really should be no problem unless you're really picky Jul 20 15:43:01 as in, a repo with the rpms in them for it you grab after a eula acceptance Jul 20 15:43:09 same method we have on n900 Jul 20 15:43:14 my job is to tell people what the community thinks is broken, and I just had a huge discussion with the architects about the drivers issue Jul 20 15:43:33 :nod: Jul 20 15:43:54 best thing to happen is to make meego so popular nvidia, ti, imgtec and ati starts posting drivers for meego ;) Jul 20 15:44:35 that's the ideal situation Jul 20 15:45:13 or a livecd with mic2 installed to generate images on the fly :P Jul 20 15:46:41 repo.meego.com/tools/ has been updated Jul 20 15:47:19 cool, finally Jul 20 15:51:16 hi ! Jul 20 15:51:23 lo Khertan Jul 20 15:51:25 how's it going? Jul 20 15:51:31 i'm fine Jul 20 15:51:42 fighting with my own repository Jul 20 15:51:46 hey Khertan.... were you interested in the community OBS... Jul 20 15:51:47 but fine ... and you ? Jul 20 15:51:56 lbt, of course i'm ! Jul 20 15:52:07 want to beta test it? Jul 20 15:52:14 yep Jul 20 15:52:22 we really need some help on the maemo side Jul 20 15:52:28 :) Jul 20 15:52:59 i still didn't understand how it s work Jul 20 15:53:06 but i ll study that Jul 20 15:53:23 hm, where was the questions page again for forum? Jul 20 15:53:26 as in, unanswered Jul 20 15:54:41 someone know if pyqt are available in some repository for meego ? Jul 20 15:56:31 Khertan: any questions... just yell Jul 20 15:56:46 also... just to get going: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build Jul 20 16:03:36 lbt: minutes from the community office meeting http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-07-20-13.59.html Jul 20 16:03:53 (the one you missed 2 hours ago) Jul 20 16:04:27 DawnFoster: yeah... wedding anniversary today... we went shopping for a kettle ;) Jul 20 16:04:47 congratulations! Jul 20 16:05:09 ta Jul 20 16:05:27 19 apparently... Jul 20 16:07:23 DawnFoster: I'm very keen to participate... sometimes I'll have my head down though. If I'm not around I'd appreciate a ping. Jul 20 16:08:03 I can try to remember to ping you. This one was at 7am - I was still on my first cup of tea Jul 20 16:08:12 I may or may not have been coherent Jul 20 16:08:26 yup... and the 05:00 one... maybe not... Jul 20 16:09:08 yeah, that one keeps me up past my bedtime Jul 20 16:09:10 we'll see what kind of participation we get from asia Jul 20 16:09:29 if we aren't seeing participation, we'll move it back to 19:00 Jul 20 16:09:31 utc Jul 20 16:09:42 *nod* Jul 20 16:10:14 no mrshaver... OK Jul 20 16:10:26 hm? he was in meeting Jul 20 16:10:45 yeah... not here now though.... wondered about the security group Jul 20 16:11:05 it's an issue for maemo obs Jul 20 16:11:17 I'm good enough to know I can't do it ;) Jul 20 16:13:44 mrshaver is going to pop back into irc just for you lbt :) Jul 20 16:14:01 hey mrshaver :) Jul 20 16:14:11 not sure I can actually answer any questions though! :) Jul 20 16:14:13 sorry I missed the meeting Jul 20 16:14:28 np, it was pretty slow with all the vacations Jul 20 16:14:43 I was just going to ask about the security 'audit'/support Jul 20 16:15:34 we could get them started on the community OBS as installed if there was interest Jul 20 16:16:32 lbt: since we haven't migrated everything to OSU yet, I shifted the focus of the consulting a bit to concentrate on recommendations for the infrastructure Jul 20 16:16:36 and of course... trying to get a hold of "Adam" so X-Fade and I can get going on the next step Jul 20 16:16:47 but, they would like to talk to you about the OBS as well Jul 20 16:17:12 great - I'd love that ... I'm a bit of a security bod too Jul 20 16:17:47 and I'm sure we can use your recommendations and others to get it right from the beginning Jul 20 16:17:52 is the scope the infra and tools or does it extend to the platform? Jul 20 16:18:10 no, it's just for infra and tools Jul 20 16:18:22 OK - good to be clear Jul 20 16:18:52 Adam has separated the build infrastructure a bit from these servers, so it would be some slight talking back and forth, but not much Jul 20 16:19:44 OK Jul 20 16:19:44 as X-Fade mentioned, getting the SSO figured out is the big one to tackle Jul 20 16:20:20 yes... well, I've sorted out a buglet in LDAP for OBS today so my head is in that space now Jul 20 16:20:43 doesn't OBS now support OpenID as well? Jul 20 16:21:03 I'd have to check to see how stable it is Jul 20 16:21:19 it was a GSOC project... not sure if it completed Jul 20 16:21:38 if you could help Niels fill in as much detail as possible about the community OBS on this page, it would help a lot: http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure Jul 20 16:21:59 just create a separate page for it and link from that table Jul 20 16:22:01 you've seen : http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service ? Jul 20 16:22:22 especially : http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Installation Jul 20 16:22:43 I do recall that page, maybe we just link from the meego wiki page to these pages? Jul 20 16:23:31 yes... just FYI really Jul 20 16:24:09 are the security group advising on SSO ? Jul 20 16:24:52 lbt: yes, they would be looking at SSO across all the services Jul 20 16:24:59 good Jul 20 16:25:09 I imagine LDAP will win out, but I'm not sure? Jul 20 16:25:57 See what they say... I'm not up-to-date Jul 20 16:26:54 On a related topic... Jul 20 16:27:38 I think we should look at this very carefully : http://wiki.meego.com/Infrastructure/BOSS/Design Jul 20 16:28:16 we actually have a lot of workflow type things in the community that it could help Jul 20 16:28:57 I'll take a closer look at that, I just glanced when I last heard about it Jul 20 16:29:08 Does Anas know about this as well? Jul 20 16:29:20 yes... we'll be using it in meego.com build Jul 20 16:29:36 I think it could be useful to us in the community too Jul 20 16:29:51 it's designed for long-term processes Jul 20 16:30:04 seems well thought out Jul 20 16:30:07 kinda cool to specify ... => timeout 3w Jul 20 16:30:13 w=weeks Jul 20 16:30:44 yeah.. it's my baby :) Jul 20 16:31:08 BTW, did you see my question to Niels about the community OBS being slow with only a few build hosts Jul 20 16:31:25 yes... sizing it is a problem Jul 20 16:31:29 do you have any ideas of the expansion necessary if builds are really slow? Jul 20 16:31:33 Nokia's isn't being stressed Jul 20 16:31:51 no. I'd ask Anas about the load on theirs. Jul 20 16:32:04 plus I know we're not doing accel on arm yet Jul 20 16:32:15 and I don't know how the community will use it Jul 20 16:32:27 if it's a garage then it's not so big a deal Jul 20 16:32:29 he didn't provide any specifics, but he did say it would be painful with only a few Jul 20 16:32:49 but one thing that I'm hearing is an x86 build of MeeGo... non-sssssssse3 Jul 20 16:33:00 which may take more grunt Jul 20 16:33:21 also s/hearing/hearing and pushing/ :) Jul 20 16:34:21 lbt: is there any prioritization in obs yet? Jul 20 16:34:28 yes... Jul 20 16:34:37 oh? Jul 20 16:34:56 but it's hard to asses how it impacts without having a loaded system Jul 20 16:35:10 stress testing an OBS is an interesting challenge... Jul 20 16:35:13 we need Mer Jul 20 16:35:52 import our old sources, rebuild ;) Jul 20 16:35:59 mmm.... Jul 20 16:36:00 * lbt may just go and create Mer as the x86 build... Jul 20 16:36:03 heh Jul 20 16:36:09 0.18 lives! Jul 20 16:37:24 * Stskeeps misses Mer to some degree but at least the porting community seems to flourish in meego-arm Jul 20 16:38:19 I want to see some of your arm guys doing some apps on the open OBS too Jul 20 16:38:38 we really need to understand the best way to setup projects Jul 20 16:38:57 i know i'd like joggler and n8x0 on open obs, easier collab Jul 20 16:38:58 I don't think it's as simple as "do what meego.com does" Jul 20 16:39:03 yep... Jul 20 16:39:07 you have an account Jul 20 16:39:12 i know Jul 20 16:41:06 but easier when others can get one too :) Jul 20 16:41:51 yeah.. it's the nokia EULA at the moment... Jul 20 16:43:41 you at your mic2 setup now btw? Jul 20 16:44:41 https://build.obs.maemo.org/project/show?project=Mer Jul 20 16:44:51 Stskeeps: any news on the n8x0 image? Jul 20 16:44:58 no... I hate kvm/lvm/grub-pc Jul 20 16:45:01 k Jul 20 16:45:26 dm8tbr: no sorry, focusing mostly on n900 this week - the dbus issue is quite bad. i have to wrap up my project period so will push out all my n8x0 stuff during this week Jul 20 16:50:23 * Stskeeps wonders if mic2 can build fat32 partitions to Jul 20 16:50:23 o Jul 20 16:50:51 would be nice to be able to build a full joggler usb stick image Jul 20 17:37:53 is meego is stable on N900? Jul 20 17:38:15 * Zoup searche topics, faq, every where, not a very good answer :) Jul 20 17:53:52 No Jul 20 17:55:24 Wireless is buggy Jul 20 17:55:27 No cellular Jul 20 17:55:34 Very much an alpha release. Jul 20 17:56:48 making a hw adaptation on top of a moving target is very like riding a bull at a rodeo Jul 20 18:07:25 Hey Jul 20 18:07:43 >.< Jul 20 18:08:04 Hey guys Jul 20 18:08:42 wello Jul 20 18:08:46 patience.. Jul 20 18:08:46 :P Jul 20 18:15:38 "well if nobody is going to reply to me within 1.5mins, I'm outta here!" Jul 20 18:16:02 "squirrel!!" Jul 20 18:16:56 be that way :) Jul 20 18:17:02 :P Jul 20 18:17:30 I'm too busy fixing bugs guys ;) Jul 20 18:17:49 new powertop release coming too for x86 fans Jul 20 18:21:40 wah00t Jul 20 18:56:29 hello Jul 20 18:56:41 any google voice users around on N900? Jul 20 18:57:05 greetings Jul 20 20:20:08 sandsmark: thanks for the merge (phonon) Jul 20 20:20:16 oh, np Jul 20 20:20:20 thanks to you :-) Jul 20 20:20:25 sorry it took so long :-P Jul 20 20:20:41 i've seen a lot longer, don't worry about it :-) Jul 20 20:20:42 (I blame mostly Akademy and Solskogen :-P) Jul 20 20:20:47 hehe Jul 20 20:23:00 anyone know where I can crab a spectacle config file (yaml) for a simple python project? Jul 20 20:24:10 I'm actually package something for opensuse, but I'd rather go the "meego way" first Jul 20 20:30:38 villev: i put an example on the forum i think Jul 20 20:30:49 (search after spectacle) Jul 20 20:31:30 yeah, I found your example Stskeeps... but can that really build a python project?? Jul 20 20:32:25 does it try to guess everything by seeing that there is setup.py around? Jul 20 20:32:31 that's a good question.. let me check something Jul 20 20:33:56 Stskeeps: best would be some place with tons of spectacle files Jul 20 20:34:12 like meego rpms :P Jul 20 20:34:20 as it seems there was no such link immediately handy Jul 20 20:34:30 http://pastebin.com/sjAMtcmv Jul 20 20:35:03 thanks Stskeeps, I'll use something like that Jul 20 20:35:38 http://wiki.meego.com/Spectacle Jul 20 20:40:23 Stskeeps: that's an example of page that you open, page down page down, don't find useful stuff, keep on googling ;-) Jul 20 20:40:28 that is, it should have some examples Jul 20 20:40:40 that's what my eyes always scan first Jul 20 20:41:27 or a link to a page where you can browse these source rpms Jul 20 20:41:33 to get examples Jul 20 20:42:49 or well, it has "two example spectacle YAML files are placed to examples/ directory in source code" but perhaps it should directly include those examples Jul 20 20:44:05 villev: does mxr.moego.org suit your needs? Jul 20 20:44:36 * timeless is irc'ing from an n900 while tryinh yo cross a busy street Jul 20 20:47:06 * TSCHAKeee watches timeless get hit by a bus Jul 20 20:47:10 :P Jul 20 20:48:00 there was a big van available.. Jul 20 20:48:11 * timeless tries to recross Jul 20 20:48:36 don't worry, i get 4 crossings in about a 10min span Jul 20 20:48:37 timeless: possibly :-). should I be able to find the yaml files by searching for them? I don't see many useful ones (just from yaml libs actualy) Jul 20 20:49:13 villev: there are a couple of roots, i can't remember which is which Jul 20 20:49:34 an offhand i'm not sure what a yaml is Jul 20 20:49:47 well, on meego-root I I found a few Jul 20 20:49:48 * timeless tries climbing stairs while irc'ing Jul 20 20:50:03 well, that's something :) Jul 20 20:50:14 yaml files are used to generate a spec file Jul 20 20:50:26 through "spectacle" Jul 20 20:51:03 * timeless hopes spectacle can be found there too Jul 20 20:51:18 but it seems mxr is a bit broken. or it gives me "not found" errors when clicking through links Jul 20 20:51:27 e.g. http://mxr.moego.org/meego/sourcegarage-netbook-ui/ Jul 20 20:52:12 hrm Jul 20 20:52:19 or http://mxr.moego.org/meego/sourcegarage-client-services/rpm/garage-client-services.yaml Jul 20 20:52:29 one sec Jul 20 20:52:45 perhaps / missing in sourcegarage... Jul 20 20:52:57 oh Jul 20 20:53:01 yeah, there's a / missing Jul 20 20:53:05 * timeless_mbp frowns Jul 20 20:53:09 there's something confused in that install Jul 20 20:54:39 should be fixed now Jul 20 20:54:45 at least temporarily Jul 20 20:56:15 yeah, it's working now. and I find 3, yes, three yaml files Jul 20 20:56:27 one would think there should be more... Jul 20 20:56:39 try the repo.meego.com root instead Jul 20 20:57:25 yes, much better Jul 20 20:57:28 the meego root was based on git repos i could find by searching iirc Jul 20 20:57:38 no one gave me a list Jul 20 20:58:19 also i'm worried about how to structure it since source root names for git repos seem uncreative Jul 20 20:59:05 actually, meego/ root was still better after all Jul 20 20:59:20 the many matcher from meego-repo are coming from yaml libs again Jul 20 20:59:25 matches Jul 20 20:59:38 try \.yaml$ Jul 20 21:00:17 no matches with that Jul 20 21:00:54 food collected Jul 20 21:00:59 ok, 14 matches Jul 20 21:01:13 none of them froam real packages Jul 20 21:01:16 in repo.meego.com Jul 20 21:01:16 time for one final round of frogger Jul 20 21:01:56 ooh, a bus! Jul 20 21:02:14 and two pedestrians Jul 20 21:02:38 and a motorcycle crossing y sidewalk Jul 20 21:03:25 hrm Jul 20 21:03:53 so, i know nothing about yaml files Jul 20 21:04:23 well, I'd imagine them to reside inside src rpms Jul 20 21:04:30 but then again I know nothing of rpm packaging Jul 20 21:04:55 are they typically included in srpms? Jul 20 21:05:21 Stskeeps: ? Jul 20 21:57:30 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 20 21:57:39 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/freddy.avi Jul 20 21:57:47 night ni...oh dammit **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 22:30:09 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 23:10:15 2010 Jul 20 23:48:18 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 21 02:59:57 2010