**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 02:59:57 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:10:14 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:24:17 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:37:22 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:54:14 2010 Jul 29 06:18:04 quit Jul 29 08:14:49 hi Jul 29 08:15:04 err I've added the ivi repo with emgd drivers to yum Jul 29 08:15:14 I'm installing xorg-x11-drv-emgd Jul 29 08:15:28 will it be enough to run or do I need to edit some xorg config file ? Jul 29 08:15:42 vgrade: ping Jul 29 08:17:21 see how it reacts without a xorg.conf initially Jul 29 08:17:30 ok Jul 29 08:17:49 * vlj is crossing fingers Jul 29 08:17:58 Cake or death! Jul 29 08:18:23 does not work Jul 29 08:18:29 vlj: besides that, give me a xorg.0.log Jul 29 08:19:37 Stskeeps: where do I find it ? Jul 29 08:20:33 in /var/log/ Jul 29 08:20:42 what he said Jul 29 08:20:48 err Jul 29 08:21:09 No, /tmp? Jul 29 08:21:14 xorg seems to log to /tmp. .. Jul 29 08:21:29 Stskeeps: it said "Failed to load module "psb" "pvr" "fbdev" (modules does not exist,0)" "No drivers available" Jul 29 08:21:34 yup in /tmp Jul 29 08:21:44 so I need to create a xorg Jul 29 08:24:23 use the one from joggler as a model i gues Jul 29 08:24:23 s Jul 29 08:24:42 there's always the chance it won't work on a netbook, though - a joggler is actually an embedded device Jul 29 08:25:04 the one from joggler is not provided :/ Jul 29 08:25:26 sure it is Jul 29 08:25:27 sec Jul 29 08:26:05 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/joggler-emgd.ks contains it Jul 29 08:26:11 thx Jul 29 08:27:40 morning Jul 29 08:30:30 in fact it didnt install any emgd drivers Jul 29 08:30:59 there no libemgd.so in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/driver Jul 29 08:31:00 :/ Jul 29 08:36:24 in fact yum does not save anything Jul 29 08:40:58 Where I can find spec files which I can use to build rpms? Jul 29 08:41:03 Is it public? Jul 29 08:46:18 MmdA, http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines Jul 29 08:54:48 koupsaa: I see there some informations how to create packages, how to modify spec files but... I still don't know where I can find spec files... Jul 29 08:54:50 MmdA, in fact often, *.spec are in source in *.tar.gz Jul 29 08:55:24 koupsaa: Yes, I know. But is there something like repo with spec files? Jul 29 08:55:51 I just want to get all specs to check some dependencys without getting all sources. Jul 29 08:56:17 nop i don't think so. you can have it from git or *.src.rpm Jul 29 08:56:40 koupsaa: OK. Thanks. Jul 29 08:57:15 O, so there are in git also? Jul 29 08:59:44 oops sorry i dont see spec in git Jul 29 09:09:32 koupsaa: Thanks. ;) Jul 29 09:41:17 son of a bitch Jul 29 09:41:37 the new firefox said that if adobe flash crashed, firefox wouldn't Jul 29 09:42:03 but it has >.< Jul 29 09:42:22 plugin-container can crash too :) Jul 29 09:42:36 yes but that doesn't crash firefox (usually) Jul 29 09:43:05 also I'm not sure if OOPP is working fully on OSX yet Jul 29 09:46:13 that might explain the crash Jul 29 09:46:24 that and adobe is horrible on...well just horrible Jul 29 09:52:10 hmm, is there an on-screen keyboard for netbook ux? Jul 29 09:53:22 matchbox-keyboard Jul 29 09:54:57 Stskeeps: Jul 29 10:02:26 Jaffa: do you want an OBS account? Jul 29 10:03:45 OBS is for nokia and intel people ? Jul 29 10:04:03 obs is a wide term Jul 29 10:04:03 for now? Jul 29 10:04:09 OBS is for ordinary people! Jul 29 10:05:41 I think that a nice way to describe the kind of beta tester we need now is essentially .. do you just want to use it... or do you want to shape it? Jul 29 10:06:59 * Stskeeps sits down and makes a joggler netbook distro for his wife Jul 29 10:07:37 ....by first typing into the wiki and cut'n'pasting as he goes into a cli... Jul 29 10:07:55 Stkeeps should put georges clooney in background Jul 29 10:33:42 One of my panels on the netbook ux keeps crashing an it generates a core dump. How do I see the core dump and how do I see why it is crashing? Jul 29 11:49:08 correct me if i am wrong please - the "chrome" version has the chrome and "default" has chromium? Jul 29 11:50:37 correct Jul 29 11:51:19 chromium 6 and chrome 5 right ? Jul 29 12:00:56 also... perhaps a silly question but, there is relaease 1.0 and update 1.0.1... i see image for release... but is there a patcher for update or it is deployed after the system is up and running? Jul 29 12:04:39 I've not seen an image for the 1.0.1 either Jul 29 12:04:55 I'm assuming that it's a minor update and that you can simply update via zypper / yum Jul 29 12:39:49 mmm just had a strange thing... phone call from "the computer maintanance company" Jul 29 12:40:07 phoned me at home and asked for me by name... Jul 29 12:40:22 did they know how to fix your broken RAID? Jul 29 12:40:26 tried to talk me into editing my security settings as we spoke... Jul 29 12:40:43 really hard to google screenshots on the fly to tease out the call Jul 29 12:40:56 "right click on my computer and read me the options..." Jul 29 12:41:16 kept them going for 30 mins though.... ;) Jul 29 12:41:45 but really interesting .... she was a reasonably smart girl.... Jul 29 12:42:06 so they wanted to hack your computer? Jul 29 12:42:07 :P Jul 29 12:42:14 yeah... by phone! Jul 29 12:42:22 that's a first for me Jul 29 12:42:49 * Stskeeps wonders if he should base on handset or netbook ux for joggler Jul 29 12:42:55 use case is a kitchen computer Jul 29 12:47:13 handset Jul 29 12:47:30 standing up to use it Jul 29 12:47:35 mm, true Jul 29 12:47:47 bigger buttons probably Jul 29 12:47:58 although.... IVI may be even better... Jul 29 12:52:17 the ivi UX did look liike it would be matched to the joggler touch screen Jul 29 12:53:16 we can retheme handset ux you know Jul 29 13:18:37 Hi all, I am trying to install mplayer at the moment. I have taken the source and when i do a make install I error out at "can't find a register class GENERAL_REGS while reloading asm" Jul 29 13:18:47 Has anyone seen this before or know a workaround? Jul 29 13:19:15 it's a source-code problem Jul 29 13:19:25 you need to address it with the mplayer community Jul 29 13:19:53 So there is no way I can install mplayer? Jul 29 13:20:04 there may be, you just need to fix the source code Jul 29 13:21:13 why won't yum install work do you know? Jul 29 13:23:06 what does it say? Jul 29 13:23:16 no mplayer package Jul 29 13:23:58 that's why it won't work Jul 29 13:24:44 So can you tell me why there is no mplayer package???? Jul 29 13:25:01 because no one packaged it and no one felt it was necessary Jul 29 13:25:19 meego uses gstreamer for its multimedia needs and it has its own video player Jul 29 13:26:02 banshee? Jul 29 13:26:35 I actually don't know which Jul 29 13:28:05 ok thanks Jul 29 13:28:54 http://abock.org/2010/05/26/banshee-for-meego Jul 29 14:48:00 <_wolf_> oXwro77! Jul 29 14:49:20 _wolf_: now we know your master-password. Jul 29 14:49:34 Stskeeps: heya :) Jul 29 14:49:42 <_wolf_> sorry, I already changed it ;) Jul 29 15:01:50 silly Q but what's default root pw? Jul 29 15:01:55 meego Jul 29 15:02:33 nope Jul 29 15:02:49 actually Jul 29 15:03:10 it might be, but user is not on sudo list? Jul 29 15:04:32 Stskeeps: now can i try meego or wait ? Jul 29 15:04:57 has it been a week? :P Jul 29 15:07:02 may be i guess :P Jul 29 15:19:41 hmm... chromium being ungodly slow and irresponsive - is there a cure for that? Jul 29 16:23:51 Hi. Whenever I try to run update manager, I get a message that the software sources aren't "verified". I guess, I don't have a gpg signature of them. How do I fix it? Jul 29 16:38:34 does syslinux has any limmitation about starting cylinder on boot drive? Jul 29 16:38:59 (as in will i be able to boot from partition wich is in second hakf of 250g drive?) Jul 29 17:27:16 * CosmoHill stabs computers and / or software Jul 29 17:35:19 . Jul 29 17:37:41 CosmoHill: can I add programmers to the list? Jul 29 17:37:47 is there hibernate functionality for meego? Jul 29 17:38:07 the list of things that have gone wrong today of your personal shitlist? Jul 29 17:39:06 Phazorx: nope Jul 29 17:39:18 CosmoHill: yes yes Jul 29 17:41:07 nope because it is not needed or there is some other reason? Jul 29 17:41:39 and win7 just overwrote bootsector again... is there a way to fight it ? Jul 29 17:41:58 auke: wanna rant / vent? Jul 29 17:44:47 Phazorx: there is a guide about installing meego, ubuntu and windows 7 on the same computer Jul 29 17:46:32 I just don't understand why windows 2008 can't get the time and date from the internet just like every other computer Jul 29 17:46:56 CosmoHill: i'm more baffled why the n900 has a huge closed source time stack and it still asks me about the time of day when battery has been out for a bit Jul 29 17:47:00 :P Jul 29 17:47:41 hehe Jul 29 17:47:51 CosmoHill: it is installed that isnt the issue Jul 29 17:48:04 i meant so that you can boot to them Jul 29 17:48:19 but as soon as i booted win7 after booting to megoo several times win7 went into recovery mod Jul 29 17:48:31 oh Jul 29 17:48:32 and some vendor software silently fixed the mbr Jul 29 17:48:37 so extlinux stuff is overwritten Jul 29 17:48:44 so i went to boot off usb drive again Jul 29 17:48:52 and reinstalled extlinux Jul 29 17:49:00 hoping that it was a fluke Jul 29 17:49:02 but it wasnt Jul 29 17:49:35 i wonder if i can get win7 loader to boot meego though... Jul 29 17:50:26 you sure it's installing to the MBR? Jul 29 17:50:58 which "it" ? Jul 29 17:51:47 win7 is a bit weird, especially on netbooks Jul 29 17:52:00 the linux bit Jul 29 17:52:12 vendros slap recovery partitition on and that complicates things Jul 29 17:52:18 I've seen a netbook with win7 starter Jul 29 17:52:24 w/o linux there are 3 partitions Jul 29 17:52:27 i duno which was crap, the netbook or the OS Jul 29 17:52:45 sda3 is the windows itself Jul 29 17:52:56 sda1 is the boot manager Jul 29 17:53:01 sda2 is the recovery Jul 29 17:53:14 some vendors do stupid things Jul 29 17:53:18 so regular boot sequence is sda1>sda3 Jul 29 17:53:25 like have two 250GB partitions on a 500GB laptop Jul 29 17:53:30 but if bootmanager seems somthing fishy it does sda1>sda2 Jul 29 17:53:44 is sda1 marked as active? Jul 29 17:53:46 well they always split 50/50 Jul 29 17:53:59 CosmoHill: it was before i started messing with it Jul 29 17:54:01 lemme check Jul 29 17:54:02 it still is Jul 29 17:54:12 but people thing the 2nd 250GB is a different hard drive and they then wonder why when the first hard drive goes the 2nd has gone too Jul 29 17:54:33 but the thing is boot manager and win loader is 2 diff things Jul 29 17:54:45 in theory i should make meego to point to sda3 Jul 29 17:55:07 but i doubt it will work with hibernation and other advanced booting crap then Jul 29 18:09:02 u Jul 29 18:09:02 u Jul 29 18:09:12 yes, me Jul 29 18:09:15 hey dazo Jul 29 18:16:16 * lbt sent of his credentials for access to the community OBS HW... :) Jul 29 18:16:21 CosmoHill: wazzup! Jul 29 18:16:48 Open Build Service Home Work? Jul 29 18:17:20 dazo: mind if I ask a redhat question? Jul 29 18:25:43 CosmoHill: shoot Jul 29 18:25:51 * dazo is in a meeting, so might not respond too quick Jul 29 18:26:03 * CosmoHill takes out a duck with a double barrel Jul 29 18:26:15 why is openmpi installed in /usr/lib64/openmpi ? Jul 29 18:26:26 why not just /usr or /opt/openmpi? Jul 29 18:28:00 lbt: woo :) Jul 29 18:35:42 CosmoHill: that you need to ask the package maintainer ... it's most probably the same in Fedora as well, as most RHEL packages are coming from Fedora Jul 29 18:36:34 kk Jul 29 18:36:41 thanks :) Jul 29 18:54:49 hiya Jul 29 18:55:27 anyone have hardware that works with this os? Jul 29 18:55:39 i have a joggler and a n900 Jul 29 18:55:39 :P Jul 29 18:55:53 cool Jul 29 18:56:04 i have ATT and am looking for a phone to use for development Jul 29 18:56:16 suggestions? Jul 29 18:56:42 the aava isn't available afaik Jul 29 18:57:52 AT&T and n900 isn't happy together sadly Jul 29 18:58:57 Stskeeps: well not for 3g Jul 29 18:59:04 but free software is more important to me than speed. Jul 29 18:59:12 i make money with apple Jul 29 18:59:19 sadly Jul 29 18:59:35 trying to go open -- regardless Jul 29 19:05:08 crybaby: \o/ Jul 29 19:05:25 lbt: ? Jul 29 19:05:36 " trying to go open -- regardless" Jul 29 19:05:38 :) Jul 29 19:06:15 lbt: you're from uk cambridge lab Jul 29 19:06:23 i knew i saw that name somewhere Jul 29 19:06:38 no Jul 29 19:06:38 what is known about aava Jul 29 19:06:41 UK Jul 29 19:06:47 but not cambridge Jul 29 19:06:55 lbt: ok Jul 29 19:06:58 sry Jul 29 19:07:12 np at all Jul 29 19:07:15 can someone briefly describe the differences between android and meego Jul 29 19:07:31 Mr Google can Jul 29 19:07:52 meego is linux Jul 29 19:07:55 android isn't Jul 29 19:08:21 hmmm... meego is gnu/linux android is almost-linux Jul 29 19:08:27 closer... Jul 29 19:08:39 ok that makes sense Jul 29 19:08:48 android runs on their vm Jul 29 19:08:58 and has some proprietary software Jul 29 19:09:15 lbt: you're saying meego is actually free software Jul 29 19:09:30 oh yes Jul 29 19:09:49 all GPL Jul 29 19:09:56 ok Jul 29 19:10:19 devices may (will) include non-gpl... Jul 29 19:13:46 Stskeeps: cbuild:~ # Jul 29 19:14:54 lbt: any device recommendations Jul 29 19:15:02 N900, Joggler Jul 29 19:15:10 you're in the UK? Jul 29 19:16:30 Hi - whats the status of the OBS server ? Can I get an account on it? Thanks Jul 29 19:17:10 csd_: it's currently open for beta testing, not normal use. Jul 29 19:17:17 I'm also trying to set up a local obs server and I'm having trouble writing the conf file for the meego repository - does anyone have one to share? Jul 29 19:17:37 sure Jul 29 19:19:00 http://pastie.org/1065975 Jul 29 19:44:57 lbt: no i'm on at&t in the use Jul 29 19:44:58 usa Jul 29 19:45:14 ah.. OK Jul 29 19:45:54 lbt: recommendations? Jul 29 19:47:33 sorry, I have none... Jul 29 19:55:22 evening Jul 29 19:55:48 more issues here... brightness buttons are not responding and double finger scrolling is not pssible to enable... do i need to pass some params to drivers? Jul 29 20:17:11 saand now gnome teels me D-bus manager is missing... is that normal too? Jul 29 20:22:05 sigh. for the last couple of days I've never seen a response to my msgs. I thought I was just being ignored - but I went through the irc logs and saw the responses now. I'm using a web-to-irc relay (webchat.freenode.net) 'cause my office IT blocks off irc ports Jul 29 20:22:35 and I suspect it is the reason why I saw no responses - can anyone suggest another web-to-irc relay? I'll check the logs for responses... Jul 29 20:24:02 lbt: thanks for the .conf file, it seems to be working for me with a minor mod Jul 29 20:24:07 --- /home/csd/Download/pastie-1065975.rb 2010-07-29 13:07:36.068663697 -0700 +++ meego-local.conf 2010-07-29 13:10:00.867123151 -0700 @@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ # Removed by lbt - not in mirror # Preinstall: liblua %else -Preinstall: lua +Preinstall: lua liblua %endif Preinstall: bash bzip2 coreutils diffutils db4 Preinstall: filesystem grep glibc glibc-common libacl libattr Jul 29 20:24:29 yeah... I've had lua issues Jul 29 20:25:16 hmm - that cut-n-paste diff didn't work. I just added liblue to the Preinstall in the %else of the "repository" == standard Jul 29 20:26:22 so what do you want of a beta tester? I'm happy to wait (now that I finally setup a meego obs locally) but also happy to help beta testing if I can Jul 29 20:26:52 s/liblue/liblua/ Jul 29 20:30:29 csd_: tbh I'm focusing on setting up the new OBS HW now... so hacking on your OBS will get you more useful knowledge :) Jul 29 20:30:38 anyone can confirm that double-finger scrolling is working at least at some netbooks? Jul 29 20:39:17 ok. thanks. Just had to disable lint on the conf file because all of my test packages are failing now :-) Jul 29 20:41:42 oh... this is very nasty... samsung "modified" win7 boo manager checks for partition types matching default and FORMATS the modified partitions Jul 29 20:47:37 so... can i boot meego somehow with bcd? Jul 29 20:48:11 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ1MQ Jul 29 20:48:23 ooo Jul 29 20:48:41 I must have missed that, thanks villev Jul 29 20:48:44 Jesse Barnes of Intel has been porting Qt 4.7 to run on Wayland and his current code-base can be found in his personal Git repository Jul 29 20:49:29 no waiting for x11 crusades to re-emerge... Jul 29 20:52:15 I'd like to try wayland but I've not gotten as far as a gui on my linux builds Jul 29 20:58:24 is it possible to replace extlinux by grub or something like it? Jul 29 20:58:39 i'm tryin to load meego with easybcd Jul 29 20:58:50 but there is no easy way to do it with extlin apparently Jul 29 20:58:55 you can probably use grub Jul 29 20:59:08 I use grub2 on my laptop regardless of the distro / os Jul 29 20:59:22 well meego came with extlinux Jul 29 20:59:37 i'm more attached to grub since it's been serving me perfectly Jul 29 20:59:40 redhat came with grub but I skipped the bootloader and sued my own Jul 29 21:00:32 unfortunatelly i rebooted to windows 1st Jul 29 21:00:50 now in order to get back i have to usbboot and then deal withchrooting out of livecd apparently Jul 29 21:02:28 unless i can use dd within win7 on unrecognizable unmounted partition somehow :/ Jul 29 21:12:20 lo...i was wondering if a kernel is available with broadcom 4401 lan driver (so i could atleast get on the net to install all the packages to build the broadcom wireless driver) Jul 29 21:13:00 my RAM has been posted! wait it's 10pm Jul 29 21:18:48 Phazorx: in the old days you could use norton disk edit :) Jul 29 21:19:18 there are plenty of usb imaging tools for windows, and in general if you're admin you can do direct writes to hardware… the code isn't that hard :) Jul 29 21:19:20 CosmoHill, "Electronic shipping info received" is dastardly. Jul 29 21:19:58 tim_jenssen: in old days windows didnt care WHO/WHAT boots them Jul 29 21:20:11 now we have BCE and smart recovery software Jul 29 21:21:04 1GB for my laptop and another 1GB for another laptop Jul 29 21:21:10 and my issue is that i am being forced to use BCE as boot manager since linux based ones are not suitable for 3 partition win7 install Jul 29 21:21:53 mlfoster: hey Jul 29 21:22:10 mlfoster ‣ #info With that being said, Dimitris, how goes development on meego.transifex.net? Jul 29 21:22:15 i think the domain is wrong Jul 29 21:22:57 hrm Jul 29 21:22:59 * timeless_mbp frowns Jul 29 21:23:05 it didn't work the first time i tried it in safari Jul 29 22:04:25 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 29 22:07:56 timeless_mbp: sorry, I didn't see your hail! Jul 29 22:09:44 hi all. is (or will be) meego supported on CE4100 sodaville? Jul 29 22:21:30 so Jul 29 22:21:38 anyone here familiar w/ meego-touch-manifest? Jul 29 22:21:40 i'm trying to use it. Jul 29 22:21:55 http://gitorious.org/meegotouch-manifest doesn't seem to have "documentation" Jul 29 22:21:56 is it good or bad that I'm reading a examiners report on distrubuted / parralle computing? Jul 29 22:24:16 CosmoHill: spelled exactly like that? Jul 29 22:24:38 * auke giggles at Cosmohill Jul 29 22:24:43 maybe Jul 29 22:24:53 sounds bad then :) Jul 29 22:25:28 * CosmoHill smacks his head when he remembers what flynn's taxomity is Jul 29 22:25:39 *Taxonomy Jul 29 22:26:49 lol Jul 29 22:26:59 I'd have to look that one up Jul 29 22:27:14 ah, sisd/simd/misd/mimd Jul 29 22:27:52 see Jul 29 22:28:05 I was reading that on wikipedia last week Jul 29 22:28:09 * timeless_mbp pokes Stskeeps Jul 29 22:28:35 CosmoHill: this always shocked me about US-centric IT education Jul 29 22:29:03 iirc you're Dutch and the last time I checked I'm English Jul 29 22:29:06 CosmoHill: I studied CS in the Netherlands, and nobody tought me really what 'flynn's taxonomy` was, but we got the idea Jul 29 22:29:34 but when I moved to the US people would discuss how bad it was that candidates etc didn't knew what (example) the OSI model is Jul 29 22:29:46 I'd be like, whut? OSI? Jul 29 22:29:55 working for the ethernet group at intel :) Jul 29 22:29:59 (that's network layers right?) Jul 29 22:30:07 yah Jul 29 22:30:42 my probably is that I tend to know what I want to do and how to do it Jul 29 22:30:43 I had networking classes alright. The term OSI was never used. I know damn well the difference between protocol and physical layer lol Jul 29 22:30:48 but I can't explain it Jul 29 22:30:59 for example I have no idea what "data structure" means Jul 29 22:31:52 but I can make programs with multiple linked lists Jul 29 22:32:40 we had (and failed at) a question which was "what is substitutability" Jul 29 22:32:49 none of us knew what he meant Jul 29 22:33:02 if he has said "template functions" we'd of been fine Jul 29 22:33:14 s/we/I/ Jul 29 22:33:14 CosmoHill meant: if he has said "template functions" I'd of been fine Jul 29 22:33:34 * lbt looks at "I'd of been fine" and cries... Jul 29 22:34:22 * lbt tries not to use words that have layers of meaning Jul 29 22:34:35 OSI layersw? Jul 29 22:34:38 fuzzy english.... Jul 29 22:35:48 aren't you english tho? Jul 29 22:35:50 describe what you mean rather than use a word that tries to convey a lot of context Jul 29 22:35:53 yes Jul 29 22:36:12 but you meet people from all kinds of areas... many of whom share similar mental models Jul 29 22:36:22 and use different vocabulary to describe it Jul 29 22:36:54 “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.” Jul 29 22:36:55 if he had said "template functions" we would have know what he meant Jul 29 22:37:00 better? Jul 29 22:37:10 luck disagrees :( Jul 29 22:37:18 much better... "known" though... Jul 29 22:37:55 CosmoHill: what's your native language? Jul 29 22:38:01 english -.- Jul 29 22:38:22 ah... Jul 29 22:38:34 * lbt is cruel sometimes ;) Jul 29 22:38:38 you're the 3rd person to ever ask me that Jul 29 22:38:43 heh Jul 29 22:38:48 maybe you should start thinking then =p Jul 29 22:38:53 * timeless_mbp tries cloning junk Jul 29 22:39:08 junk in, junk out Jul 29 22:39:11 why would you clone junk? you'd just end up with more junk? Jul 29 22:39:19 We have a community/public OBS \o/ Jul 29 22:39:23 you'd end up with the same junk Jul 29 22:39:23 * lbt is happy Jul 29 22:39:27 auke: that's the general idea Jul 29 22:39:28 lbt: yes, yay Jul 29 22:39:39 yay for happiness Jul 29 22:39:43 CosmoHill: yep, mxr.moego.org/meego/ has lots of junk Jul 29 22:39:45 lbt: I wonder what the first junk in it will be :) Jul 29 22:39:46 but i want more junk Jul 29 22:39:54 auke: x86 meego ;) Jul 29 22:40:31 lbt: was thinking more in the line of packages Jul 29 22:40:41 package junk in, arm/x86 junk out Jul 29 22:40:53 well. it'll be doing Maemo too Jul 29 22:41:05 so we'll be importing all the Extras packages Jul 29 22:41:25 we've had a few people package stuff on the current community OBS Jul 29 22:41:26 lbt: there is a reason it took me 3 years to get a GSCE in english :p Jul 29 22:43:44 auke: just saw your mail on pkging Jul 29 22:52:57 "You have been asked to make a 30 minute presentation on the following topic: Jul 29 22:52:57 Challenges in Distributed Systems Security Jul 29 22:52:57 Sketch out approximately 8 content-rich presentation slides, with associated notes, that you would use for your talk. Jul 29 22:52:57 " Jul 29 22:53:01 oh shit Jul 29 22:53:16 25 mark exam question :/ Jul 29 23:07:24 cyas Jul 29 23:16:33 lbt: hehe Jul 29 23:17:05 lbt: I think this is a point where I see stuff going wrong potentially in meego because people are too focused on one distribution Jul 29 23:18:13 lbt: in essence I'd rather have healthy ecosystem where everyone keeps each other in balance packaging wise, and we're not all forced to package our code in a certain way Jul 29 23:19:21 lbt: nokia/intel people coding specifically for meego creeps me out, it's as if they have a hard time showing their code to anyone else Jul 29 23:19:33 I mean, coding and packaging Jul 29 23:21:52 hi, is meego on n900 allready recommended? Jul 29 23:22:04 as a developer platform, yes Jul 29 23:22:13 as an end user platform? no idea :) Jul 29 23:22:18 hehe Jul 29 23:27:23 I do sense conflicting msgs at times. "We want everyone to participate" followed by "We want to get our [Intel/Nokia] release/procedures in place and can't get bogged down by getting everyone to participate". Jul 29 23:28:10 csd_: actually, most of the rules were in place when meego came to life, they were just not documented Jul 29 23:28:18 it's like two universes colliding, actually Jul 29 23:28:23 csd_: as we open more and more up for discussion, people like to see changes Jul 29 23:34:11 auke: understood (that there were a lot of things in place @ Maemo/Moblin prior to Meego) but a lot of people are coming into this in Meego timeframe Jul 29 23:35:38 and some of the Moblin/Maemo hashing out looks like backroom deals. I think its fine as a starting point, you have to start somewhere. Jul 29 23:38:31 But eventually decisions on Meego the distro have to become arms-length from the HW vendors Jul 29 23:44:03 csd_: yes, but you can't take the \intel|nokia\ out of those people :) Jul 29 23:44:31 in my case, it's not even an Intel perspective (on including debian/spec/yaml stuff in the upstream repo) Jul 29 23:44:35 it's a personal view Jul 29 23:45:32 one that I had years before I joined intel or meego Jul 29 23:49:50 he he Jul 29 23:53:58 That's one difference between Meego & Android though (not to start a flamewar). Jul 29 23:54:18 Android was started by a SW vendor, so its non-threatening to HW vendors Jul 29 23:55:05 Meego has been started by a HW vendor and a Cellphone vendor - other HW/Cellphone vendors raise an eyebrow when they hear that Jul 29 23:58:05 I realize that, but, if you want to join an existing community, you can't expect this community to drastically change themselves before you yourself add something of significant value to this community Jul 29 23:59:08 metaphoric eyebrows can be lowered easy by showing the code. Jul 29 23:59:18 *easily Jul 29 23:59:24 Its not a drastic change if that was the plan all along... Its a bit of a catch-22 though to say we will be more open when others join, and others say we will join if you're more open Jul 29 23:59:31 I'd prefer to raise eyebrows :) Jul 30 00:00:12 csd_: of course. openness does not mean "willing to change on a whim" though. Jul 30 00:00:24 Its just a perception thing Jul 30 00:00:48 * csd_ speaks from experience on trying to sell Meego to a HW vendor... Jul 30 00:01:10 csd_: you send Nokia to do that selling Jul 30 00:01:18 and you send Intel to send to other handset vendors :-) Jul 30 00:01:40 you do know which company is the largest buyer of ARM chips, right? Jul 30 00:02:06 combo-approach ! Jul 30 00:05:32 Nokia is a big buyer, but ARM is sold to many markets that Nokia doesn't play in Jul 30 00:07:32 yeah, no doubt Jul 30 00:07:41 my point is that Nokia is the largest ARM buyer, in volume Jul 30 00:08:00 I don't know how much that is in % of the total volume of ARM chips, though Jul 30 01:01:08 Stskeeps: around? Jul 30 01:02:13 was just wondering when the next ks was due out. i was able to build the closed old nokia ks Jul 30 01:02:35 but the last one i tried gave me some funky gpg error Jul 30 02:51:13 hey **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 30 02:59:57 2010