**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 09 02:59:57 2010 Aug 09 06:51:01 hello, i am a neophyte in the meego developement activity Aug 09 06:51:16 everyone has to start somewhere :) Aug 09 06:52:10 i had been studying architecture for last few days and i am a student by profession Aug 09 06:53:22 i want to contribute to the core OS. anyone ready to direct me in correct way ? Aug 09 06:53:36 MeOnTheGo: well, core os is big, any specific areas? Aug 09 06:54:05 i am using meego 1.0 for netbooks and everything's so fast Aug 09 06:54:49 file-systems...as meego has btrfs by default Aug 09 06:55:37 are there any researches going on to bring dynamicity in process management? Aug 09 06:56:11 mm, that's kernel development/schedulers? Aug 09 06:56:50 sir, i am open to all areas in contributing to the OS Aug 09 06:57:28 well, then start filing bugs, see code at meego.gitorious.org or in source rpms and start contributing :) Aug 09 06:57:35 or see what bugs are open, to get to know the areas Aug 09 06:58:04 thank you sir Aug 09 07:51:25 what is meego Aug 09 07:52:00 www.meego.com Aug 09 07:52:23 shaurya: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=meego Aug 09 07:52:57 hehehe Aug 09 08:00:55 Check this oout!!! =D Aug 09 08:00:58 http://173.212.200.68/ Aug 09 08:01:10 http://173.212.200.68/ Aug 09 08:13:35 stskeeps: ping Aug 09 08:13:44 bug potato is pissing me off Aug 09 08:13:50 bugwhatnow? Aug 09 08:14:08 3655 Aug 09 08:14:30 how many bug changes does it take to get rid of a single space? Aug 09 08:14:41 it's had at least 6 Aug 09 08:14:43 sorry, not related to netbook Aug 09 08:15:01 3654 only has 4 changes Aug 09 08:37:27 are there any features that meego should have had incorporated in it, but are currently not Aug 09 08:37:53 i mean the features related to the core OS Aug 09 08:38:19 or may be kernels/schedulers Aug 09 08:38:41 usually most work goes on in upstream linux Aug 09 08:39:14 it is missing something Aug 09 08:39:15 Could someone point me to libsocialweb documentation? Aug 09 08:39:28 automatic n00b killer. does that count? Aug 09 08:40:40 I'm going to upgrade the wiki software in about 20 minutes time Aug 09 08:41:26 ChildOfGod, have you looked at the docs folder in the libsocialweb tree? Aug 09 09:29:27 hey hii Aug 09 09:29:47 i hav joined the mailing lists for quite a few days now Aug 09 09:30:14 n i wanna know if there is something big enough to make as my college project here Aug 09 09:30:55 aloha Aug 09 09:31:22 Ajay: probably plenty, but many things are time-limited due to requirement for meego 1.1 Aug 09 09:36:37 small question regarding dd'ing meego RAW image direct from N900, the instructions here http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Aug 09 09:36:47 say to: Aug 09 09:36:48 sudo gainroot Aug 09 09:36:48 umount /dev/mmcblk1p1 Aug 09 09:36:48 dd if=/home/user/MyDocs/meego-image.raw of=/dev/mmcblk1 Aug 09 09:37:09 shouldn't that of= parameter to dd be /dev/mmcblk1p1 ?? Aug 09 09:37:33 and if its wrong, does it vape anything bad? Aug 09 09:37:50 Stskeeps you may know Aug 09 09:39:03 at least when dd'ing from pc it's e.g. /dev/sdc instead of /dev/sdc1 so i guess the same applies here? Aug 09 09:39:10 lcuk, depends whether you use partitions or not Aug 09 09:39:34 hena, well the line above just told it to umount one specific partition Aug 09 09:39:44 so I would have thought consistency etc Aug 09 09:40:15 no, i mean whole device / first partition of device Aug 09 09:40:44 sure, but on the off chance someone had more partitions typing those commands would potentially violate that? Aug 09 09:40:55 i don't know if its a problem or not (hence me asking) Aug 09 09:40:57 it just looked wrong Aug 09 09:41:30 well, i guess one should know what they're doing and not just blindly copypaste ;) Aug 09 09:42:53 and the howto does say "First what you need is a microSD memory card which does not contain any information that you need as it will be erased during this operation. Aug 09 09:42:56 " Aug 09 09:43:23 sigh Aug 09 09:43:44 or are you asking if it's possible to use paritions? Aug 09 09:43:51 -typos Aug 09 09:45:24 what the command does is it overwrites the memory card with the image, on the "device level" Aug 09 09:45:26 i was asking if the instructions are actually correct since they look wrong to me, they may be completely correct but theres nothing like confirmation from others who have done the same Aug 09 09:45:43 lcuk: no, mmcblkX Aug 09 09:45:57 k, ta :) Aug 09 09:52:01 . Aug 09 09:52:48 hey can anybody suggest me some topic big enough to make as my engineering project with 4 ppl Aug 09 09:53:30 ?? Aug 09 09:54:02 i have been through the bug list many times Aug 09 09:54:14 n din find anything big enough Aug 09 09:54:30 i am looking to work on something in the core os Aug 09 09:55:12 ?? Aug 09 09:55:36 may be in the file system i.e data management section Aug 09 09:55:50 or schedulers Aug 09 09:57:10 meego optimized i/o scheduler :) Aug 09 09:58:22 ?? Aug 09 09:58:31 can u elaborate please Aug 09 09:59:09 hena i hav been loking to do something there Aug 09 09:59:15 low cpu, lesser memory etc... your standard meego device i/o scheduler that beats current ones Aug 09 09:59:19 can u soggest something Aug 09 09:59:25 *suggest Aug 09 10:01:47 can u give me some link where i can find some more detail or if you show me some way that would really help Aug 09 10:01:52 hena Aug 09 10:02:50 . Aug 09 10:02:52 ?? Aug 09 10:03:05 hena u there ?? Aug 09 10:04:44 Ajay: I'll suggest to post a mail on meego-dev maliling list. There's several similar requests. Aug 09 10:05:47 hena ya i already did that but people do not tend to reply to mails like that Aug 09 10:06:01 sorry that was for fabo Aug 09 10:06:31 fabo did u personally come across that u thought could have been better Aug 09 10:06:41 i mean in the core os Aug 09 10:07:02 may be in data management block (file sys) or the security layer Aug 09 10:08:05 ?? Aug 09 10:08:42 Stskeeps, 2gb MMC is not enough space Aug 09 10:08:46 just a FYI Aug 09 10:09:02 Nokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/fm_meego# dd if=meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803.2-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk1 Aug 09 10:09:02 dd: writing '/dev/mmcblk1': No space left on device Aug 09 10:10:26 hey lcuk can u suggest me some thing to work on project as my engineering project Aug 09 10:12:08 anybody there on this channel Aug 09 10:12:30 Ajay, weren't you here yesterday pestering with the same question? how can anyone here suggest something when they don't know your team or anything - you guys know your skills and theres plenty of open bugs you can get teeth into that match your abilities Aug 09 10:12:39 find one of them yourselves and have a go at fixing it Aug 09 10:13:11 as more and more get fixed by you and your team people might start coming asking you to do specific things, but you have to show the initiative Aug 09 10:13:33 okay Aug 09 10:14:17 Hi Aug 09 10:20:34 meego, do you speak for #meego ? Aug 09 10:21:51 Anybody here who feels responsible for navit? Aug 09 10:23:49 what are you looking for Navit? Aug 09 10:25:22 Well, I am the project leader for navit and I wonder how to work together a bit more closely Aug 09 10:25:43 cp15: best thing is to mail meego-dev@meego.com , i'm not sure the IVI guys are represented here Aug 09 10:26:21 Ok, thanks, I will try Aug 09 10:26:45 meego, could I ask your affiliation with #meego, since you are speaking with that nickname it might be construed incorrectly Aug 09 10:39:55 nice, a crowded channel Aug 09 10:40:07 good day to all Aug 09 10:40:30 I have just one question at the moment, maybe someone can help Aug 09 10:40:40 can this work? Aug 09 10:41:00 dd bs=4096 if=meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803.2-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk1p3 Aug 09 10:41:10 or I need to do? Aug 09 10:41:13 dd bs=4096 if=meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803.2-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk1 Aug 09 10:41:49 I want to keep the other partitions, and just use mmcblk1p3 for meego Aug 09 10:41:55 is it possible?? Aug 09 10:42:26 mmcblk1, and no Aug 09 10:42:54 bad then Aug 09 10:43:06 thanks Stskeeps Aug 09 11:03:16 hi Aug 09 11:03:40 should the connman component work inside the Simulator Aug 09 11:03:52 im running the netbook SDK inside a chroot Aug 09 11:04:15 i have inet connection but the connman software is not able to detect any device Aug 09 11:04:27 thanks in advance Aug 09 11:46:58 hello, :) Aug 09 11:47:00 I have a question about update today. I cannot read http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3607. and the other. bugzilla says me You are not authorized to access bug #3607. why? Aug 09 11:47:41 thats right? Aug 09 13:43:21 Hi Jaffa2, just go the tweet.... Aug 09 13:43:47 Sorry, got the tweet. Aug 09 13:44:52 Anyway, for people who are interested there is a sample design of the developer.meego.com web site at http://wiki.meego.com/Application_developer_site/WireFrames. Aug 09 13:44:59 Comments are welcome... Aug 09 15:17:16 Hi all! Someone knows how to share a meego between various users? Aug 09 15:17:32 Because I searched a lot but I didn't find anything Aug 09 15:17:48 I look for something like in GNOME with GDM Aug 09 15:18:03 that I can login with various users Aug 09 15:22:10 fcocuadrado: it's not part of the netbook design Aug 09 15:22:26 ok Aug 09 15:23:00 so, I can't login with various users in MeeGo? Aug 09 15:23:19 nope Aug 09 15:23:27 we're still investigating how to do that Aug 09 15:23:32 but it's not easy to do it nicely. Aug 09 15:23:44 ok, so this feature would be included in a near/far future Aug 09 15:26:12 thanks, arjan Aug 09 15:41:58 . Aug 09 15:57:02 anybody home? Aug 09 15:57:51 win7 have corrupted bootloader and i a trying to revive meego install on HD with usb stcik loaded meego - can i do it at bootoader stage (where it asks for press [tab]) ? Aug 09 16:36:27 stupid xchat Aug 09 16:36:46 I have 6 server notices tabs for 3 servers Aug 09 16:43:15 win7 have corrupted bootloader and i a trying to revive meego install on HD with usb stcik loaded meego - how can i do it at bootoader stage (where extlinux suggests to press [tab] for prompt) ? Aug 09 17:52:12 Stskeeps: thanks for the reply on my Xserver bugreport Aug 09 17:53:08 Stskeeps: as you asked me to use a non-handset build, I am wondering if the bug is really resolved though. did you fix the xml so future handset builds for n900 will include the Xserver Aug 09 17:53:22 Stskeeps: I am particularly interested in testing the handset GUI Aug 09 17:54:29 dcordes: the problem is there doesn't exist any workable handset images for n900 without closed bits.. we're a bit hoping to start having 'n900 qemu' images which are not needing closed bits Aug 09 17:54:50 dcordes: you can easily edit the kickstart file to make it into a handset image :) Aug 09 17:55:11 Stskeeps: to be honest I still did not look into compiling Aug 09 17:55:36 Stskeeps: the kickstart file is the local configuration that included machine type and image type etc ? Aug 09 17:56:25 dcordes: look at the contents of a .ks file :) Aug 09 17:56:38 ok Aug 09 17:56:46 * dcordes is used to .bb files :) Aug 09 18:03:53 Stskeeps: hm wait a sec... the lack of xserver is due to "there doesn't exist any workable handset images for n900 without closed bits.. " you using closed xserver video module ? Aug 09 18:04:20 dcordes: no, our open xorg module uses libPVR2D which is SGX closed lib :/ Aug 09 18:04:48 Stskeeps: ok maybe you can append that in the bug ? Aug 09 18:05:13 also in that case maybe put it as invalid rather than solved ? Aug 09 18:05:28 others might get confused Aug 09 18:06:23 dcordes: but other devices can use fbdev easily :) Aug 09 18:06:49 dcordes: i'll consider it for tomorrow for when i'm back at work if that's okay Aug 09 18:07:02 dcordes: what do you hope to port meego to? Aug 09 18:07:05 out of curiousity Aug 09 18:07:39 Stskeeps: qualcomm qsd8250 and friends Aug 09 18:07:53 Stskeeps: not the iPad ;) Aug 09 18:07:59 dcordes: that's armv5/v6/v7 and do you have gles libraries? Aug 09 18:08:33 Stskeeps: personally I am working on this devices http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo and I am eager to get meego going on it Aug 09 18:09:14 right, i'd say initially: don't bother with handset UX unless you have gles capability. sw rendering isn't fun Aug 09 18:09:39 Stskeeps: ...and similar devices. we have a very powerful DSP providing high performance 2d and 3d accerlation with opengl Aug 09 18:09:39 and when i say gles, i mean gles with support for xorg :) Aug 09 18:10:11 Stskeeps: the downside is, it is only usable by a closed google android library. so accerlation is a no go in meego. Aug 09 18:10:39 Stskeeps: we can only use xf86-video-fbdev or xf86-video-msm . the msm driver at least makes use of the NEON etc Aug 09 18:10:52 dcordes: right, core would be a good start then. maybe ivi can be used as a proper interface Aug 09 18:11:04 feel free to hang out in #meego-arm Aug 09 18:14:32 for netbook image are tere any c32 modules installed that come with the image for extlinux? Aug 09 18:16:16 can i even use the netbook image somehow to boot of same image installed onto the netbook (BCD screewed the bootloader, i am trying to revive the linux on hd) Aug 09 18:36:38 bah,... finni Aug 09 18:36:53 sh people drink too much Aug 09 18:36:57 and british too? Aug 09 18:37:05 me, never Aug 09 18:37:14 good evening Aug 09 18:37:21 how was sauna? Aug 09 18:37:28 sauna was hot Aug 09 18:37:29 * w00t_ bets lbt is typing with a bottle of vodka Aug 09 18:37:37 we drink too much? Aug 09 18:37:39 no , jaeger mister Aug 09 18:37:42 hahah Aug 09 18:37:45 nah. it's never enough. Aug 09 18:37:45 :) Aug 09 18:37:50 :P Aug 09 18:38:17 Jartza: much too much Aug 09 18:38:22 naah Aug 09 18:39:19 * lbt debates whether he's in any condition to setup OBS tonight.... Aug 09 18:39:23 oh dear Aug 09 18:39:33 * lbt thinks probably not... Aug 09 18:39:37 lbt: i've done my best bits of ircd code while drunk! Aug 09 18:39:38 :P Aug 09 18:39:39 jägermeister... mm... Aug 09 18:39:45 Stskeeps: here pig, here pig.. Aug 09 18:39:52 I think it translates as master hunter :) Aug 09 18:40:06 thing is .. we shared a bottle between 2 of us Aug 09 18:40:22 and you didn't get any? :D Aug 09 18:40:28 * CosmoHill hands lbt some vodka Aug 09 18:40:40 CosmoHill: thanks.... need that :D Aug 09 18:40:47 bloody finns Aug 09 18:40:54 * mord chuckles Aug 09 18:40:55 and egyptiand Aug 09 18:40:56 s Aug 09 18:41:09 mord: you were supposed to help! Aug 09 18:41:26 * lbt will make a note Aug 09 18:41:27 lbt: you were supposed to tell me when the sauna event was taking place! :) Aug 09 18:41:41 I told Marko Aug 09 18:41:57 and your (rather nice BTW) bike was bacl Aug 09 18:41:58 lbt: btw, friends don't let friends drunk OBS Aug 09 18:41:59 k Aug 09 18:42:19 we wer ogling it at luch when we grabbed icecream Aug 09 18:42:35 you need to get more lean into those back tyres mord Aug 09 18:42:38 lbt: ty, i've grown rather fond of it in a hurry Aug 09 18:43:03 the gsxr1300 behind you was almost catching up ;) Aug 09 18:43:13 lbt: all sorts of stuff that needs to be done but the main thing is that the engine is awesome Aug 09 18:43:41 heh ... maybe I'll drive over on my fzr one weel Aug 09 18:43:42 k Aug 09 18:43:48 goddam keyboard Aug 09 18:43:50 :) Aug 09 18:43:55 hehe Aug 09 18:46:05 heya lbt Aug 09 18:46:17 hi th0br0 Aug 09 18:46:24 * CosmoHill pokes lbt Aug 09 18:46:28 no complex questions Aug 09 18:46:39 ah bugger, rover's fscked again Aug 09 18:46:49 * lbt giggles Aug 09 18:46:55 still standing? Aug 09 18:47:03 nah Aug 09 18:47:11 the power of the poke Aug 09 18:47:49 we're planning our talks for november Aug 09 18:48:29 * lbt proposes "WTF does meego need ssse3?" Aug 09 18:50:29 :D Aug 09 18:50:30 +1 Aug 09 18:51:20 'an analysis of how many binaries actually contain ssse3'? Aug 09 18:51:42 mmmm ....... 4 Aug 09 18:51:55 an analysis of how much it matters Aug 09 18:52:12 75% performance gain .... ! Aug 09 18:52:19 Aug 09 18:52:48 lbt, 75% on hardware that supports it Aug 09 18:53:09 true Aug 09 18:53:17 slight issue on other hw... Aug 09 18:53:23 sure Aug 09 18:53:36 but maybe best discussed when sober :) Aug 09 18:53:50 have fun \o Aug 09 18:57:16 lbt: i gather you've seen http://adrinael.net/zcoco Aug 09 18:57:56 mord: haha Aug 09 18:58:21 * Stskeeps can relate ;) Aug 09 18:58:27 heh... I take it that was a failed attempt ;) Aug 09 18:58:36 mord, OBSv2 will be sketched out by morning ;) Aug 09 18:59:03 we had a great idea in the sauna.... but I can't quite recall the details... Aug 09 18:59:16 many great ideas have gotten lost in the mists of alcohol Aug 09 18:59:16 :P Aug 09 18:59:29 anyone know where i can post ideas or concepts for meego? Aug 09 18:59:42 www ? Aug 09 18:59:43 krysis, lbt's PM box Aug 09 19:00:23 im guessing just a private message to him then? Aug 09 19:00:38 Stskeeps, not quite everything :) i have been known to be blind drunk and still making notes Aug 09 19:01:00 krysis, I was joking - make a post on talk.meego.com Aug 09 19:01:03 krysis: lcuk was attempyting humour.... Aug 09 19:01:15 oh o.o i don't quite come here often x) fail attempt btw :o Aug 09 19:01:18 or at least went over my head Aug 09 19:01:32 feel free to talk though Aug 09 19:01:40 lcuk is always fascinated Aug 09 19:02:02 * lcuk nods Aug 09 19:02:02 lol i just got my acer one and put meego on it, simply love it =) Aug 09 19:02:14 Stskeeps, it normally takes a single word to remember the whole convo Aug 09 19:02:28 though i have one simple problem with it, i dont seem to see a way to control multiple windows in one zone apart from the alt-tab method, is this the only way? Aug 09 19:03:26 krysis, how would you expect multiple windows to operate Aug 09 19:03:33 * mord is convinced way too many drunken ides do /not/ get lost Aug 09 19:03:38 * lcuk is used to alt-tab Aug 09 19:03:39 ideas even Aug 09 19:03:45 ah well i'll show you what i was thinking, let me just upload it to devart Aug 09 19:06:41 * lbt decides that trying to use his wallet as a mouse is an indication that bed is needed.... Aug 09 19:06:45 lcuk, http://krysis554.deviantart.com/art/Meego-Zone-Browser-Concept-174655427 Aug 09 19:06:48 night all Aug 09 19:06:53 its the third image at the bottom Aug 09 19:06:56 gnight lbt Aug 09 19:06:58 nini lbt Aug 09 19:07:48 I was thinking something like that? Aug 09 19:09:47 gnite lbt Aug 09 19:09:58 krysis, thats a reasonable principle Aug 09 19:10:12 not what I would personally use, but certainly different Aug 09 19:10:24 and reasonably logical Aug 09 19:10:31 thank you =) just don't know how much it'll get in the way, but if it has a delay like the top panel i don't see it being intrusive Aug 09 19:10:44 (you mention right hand side btw, should be left) Aug 09 19:11:00 i like alt-tab and everything, but i also like the ability to pick windows directly instead of going through them all Aug 09 19:11:05 ah gotta change that Aug 09 19:11:49 so talk.meego.com then? Aug 09 19:11:49 np, the principle should be left or right hand usable Aug 09 19:12:00 some languages have rtl text and scrollbars on the left hand side Aug 09 19:12:04 sure Aug 09 19:12:06 i figure left is better because most apps have a scrollbar at the right and can get in the way Aug 09 19:12:10 ah ic Aug 09 19:12:23 well that can be customizable depending on language then Aug 09 19:12:45 yeah, implementation detail Aug 09 19:13:06 nice idea though, deffo post it and see how others like it Aug 09 19:13:27 im just surprised it wasn't thought of yet :P Aug 09 19:13:43 it probably has or theres some huge clanger to using it Aug 09 19:13:48 talk.meego.com is giving me a server not found :o Aug 09 19:13:56 but until its on screen nobody can try it Aug 09 19:14:03 hold on i mightv gotten wrong url Aug 09 19:14:17 forum.meego.com Aug 09 19:14:24 ah ok thanks Aug 09 19:14:25 * lcuk has maemo in head Aug 09 19:14:34 ah right x) oh the progress :P Aug 09 19:14:39 i still have a n800 Aug 09 19:14:50 cool, lots do Aug 09 19:15:17 windows has a sidebar similar I believe Aug 09 19:15:29 and you can move the main bar there if you drag it Aug 09 19:15:47 you mean the main toolbar at the bottom? i guess it has a similar feel Aug 09 19:15:55 yeah, taskbar Aug 09 19:16:00 and it can be set to autohide Aug 09 19:16:42 ah right, something of that sort, but instead of this bar being always there (hidden or not) it will only pop up when there are 2 or more windows in one zone, and when the mouse moves to the side Aug 09 19:16:44 but its funny when it resizes things Aug 09 19:16:56 i think as an overlay as you suggest it would be effective Aug 09 19:17:08 i would have it pop always Aug 09 19:17:22 that way user gets used to its effect - and could use to close Aug 09 19:17:24 one thing i noticed is that the zones are kinda pointless if you can't control certain windows in one zone, when you do alt-tab it scrolls through ALL zones and zone windows, not just the current zone available, thats why i was wondering if there was a way to scroll or pick from only the current zones windows Aug 09 19:18:44 well that is changing global system behaviour and users would be frustrated at not being able to get around even more than you might be about wanting to remain in one zone Aug 09 19:19:03 (modifying alt-tab itself i mean) Aug 09 19:19:48 krysis, once you post a new thread, put a link here please, I'll sub and watch it Aug 09 19:19:52 well you can always keep alt-tab there as its been the traditional way of scrolling through open windows, but why not do shift+alt+tab or ctrl-alt-tab to scroll in one zone? Aug 09 19:19:58 okays =) Aug 09 19:20:02 just gotta find out my password lol Aug 09 19:20:02 nicely presented too by the way :) Aug 09 19:20:15 thank you =) i been around the ubuntu community and designing stuff here and there Aug 09 19:20:40 usually do icons and such, but figured i'd give this a go Aug 09 19:20:51 no harm in trying :) Aug 09 19:20:58 i have to vanish \o have a nice evening Aug 09 19:21:09 thank you! have a nice vanishing :P Aug 09 19:32:54 . Aug 09 19:37:40 lcuk, heres the forum link: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=6859#post6859 Aug 09 19:37:45 when deploying the image with dd can i somehow specify only one partition or it has to be whole drive? Aug 09 19:38:05 images are usually whole-disk Aug 09 19:38:32 i need some files from windows so i can make extlinux boot win7, but meego comes w/o ntfs driver so i was hoping to use the same flash drive Aug 09 19:38:53 and for that i am thinking to make another partition on same drive but none of utilities i have can actually do that properly Aug 09 19:40:53 any solutions for that case? Aug 09 19:55:24 evening' Aug 09 19:56:07 hola Aug 09 19:59:57 mew Aug 09 20:09:53 apparently extlinux makes windows lack hibernation is that really the case? Aug 09 20:10:21 what's extlinux? Aug 09 20:10:28 Phazorx: no Aug 09 20:10:52 I can hibinate my windows install on my laptop Aug 09 20:10:52 CosmoHill: reading that on meego forums and what not Aug 09 20:11:05 the next time I select "windows" from the boot loader it restores windows Aug 09 20:11:07 CosmoHill: with which bootloader and what windows? Aug 09 20:11:14 Grub2 and Windows 7 Aug 09 20:11:28 so how does that reflect my commet about extlinux? Aug 09 20:11:39 boot loader should make no difference Aug 09 20:11:46 all it does is chainload the windows boot loader Aug 09 20:11:57 that's what i thought too Aug 09 20:12:00 but reality bites Aug 09 20:12:10 well tell her to stop Aug 09 20:12:33 oh, the boot loader Aug 09 20:12:43 yeah, I can't see how it can interfere with hibernating Aug 09 21:01:54 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 09 21:03:19 * auke has nightmares Aug 09 21:05:03 how can i chroot to hd mego when booted from usbflash safely? Aug 09 21:09:12 G'day Aug 09 21:09:43 Wondering if vgrade is online? Aug 09 21:11:38 anyone here playing with the Joggler? Aug 09 21:11:48 (with MeeGo that is) Aug 09 21:23:22 allandrick, hi Aug 09 21:23:37 g'day! Aug 09 21:23:52 Just been reading the various wiki bits Aug 09 21:24:08 a colleague at work had a joggler he wasn't using so I picked it up :-) Aug 09 21:24:09 jogglerwiki or meego.wiki? Aug 09 21:24:20 jw Aug 09 21:24:30 following links from your twitter :) Aug 09 21:24:43 Wasn't sure if you'd still be awake - are you based in UK? Aug 09 21:25:12 only 10.30pm here in UK Aug 09 21:25:21 where are u Aug 09 21:25:29 hey vgrade Aug 09 21:25:42 hi CosmoHill Aug 09 21:25:49 "only" :-) Aug 09 21:25:55 I'm across the water in Belfast Aug 09 21:26:22 I have a keen desire to see this thing sitting in my car's dash ;-) Aug 09 21:26:31 vgrade: what part? I'm in the south east Aug 09 21:26:59 Northants Aug 09 21:27:26 allandrick, are you handly with a dremel? Aug 09 21:27:49 Mine is in storage back in Oz :) But I'm sure I could borrow one Aug 09 21:28:06 ah, G'day Aug 09 21:28:13 heh Aug 09 21:28:27 yeah not the typical nornirish greeting ;-) Aug 09 21:28:38 to be sure Aug 09 21:28:49 * allandrick chuckles Aug 09 21:29:16 so here's the rub - I'm on a MacBook - no real access to a linux distro - am I hosed? Aug 09 21:29:39 I'm just a bit confused as to what I need to download and install where... Aug 09 21:29:43 ah the devil mac user :) Aug 09 21:29:57 makes great movies ;-) Aug 09 21:30:27 but anyhoo. Aug 09 21:30:36 I'm looking to check out the IVI image. Aug 09 21:30:53 I don't do macs do they support virtualbox? Aug 09 21:30:55 why can't i find grub2 with yum? Aug 09 21:31:19 VM's you mean? Aug 09 21:31:40 yea it does Aug 09 21:31:48 downloading the host now ;-) Aug 09 21:32:03 yes, just checked and virtualbox is supported, so get it from http://www.virtualbox.org/ Aug 09 21:32:07 you can get virtualbox on mac Aug 09 21:32:16