**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 10 02:59:58 2010 Aug 10 07:17:32 hey, I'm looking for a netbook for my girlfriend, is there a list of meego compatible ones? I wouldn't like to end up with surprises like broadcom wireless and things like that Aug 10 07:23:38 fargiolas:http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms Aug 10 07:24:03 amjad: thanks! Aug 10 07:24:16 np Aug 10 07:25:49 amjad, fyi HP and Lenovo may most likely put broadcrap in their netbooks Aug 10 07:26:42 dell too, at least my mini 9 has one Aug 10 07:27:12 though dell doesn't have minipci/minipcie wireless card whitelisting Aug 10 07:27:56 which is technically good, you just need to sell that broadcrap and purchase one half length minipci/minipcie and to put it in place Aug 10 07:28:13 funny that I bought it with ubuntu preinstalled thinking it might be a warrant of linux compatibility Aug 10 07:29:02 broadcrap is linux compatible.. if its not supported by the community version (aka b43/b43legacy) its supported by their proprietary wl driver Aug 10 07:29:02 hatake_kakashi: uh didn't think about that, will give it a try (I think I have a minipci iwl3945 somewhere) Aug 10 07:29:25 fargiolas, it has to be half length, I'm not sure about the size of iwl3945 but it may not fit Aug 10 07:29:52 and I believe it now has to be minipcie as well Aug 10 07:30:04 :( will try Aug 10 07:35:12 fargiolas: this will give you a better idea : http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Aug 10 07:35:23 thanks again Aug 10 08:45:10 Why doesn't the download page point to the proper N900 image builds at nokia? Aug 10 08:46:24 is there a graphical partition editor somewhere on netbook image? Aug 10 08:46:32 gparted for example? Aug 10 08:47:14 the one that insaller has got is not capable of doing what i'd like to Aug 10 08:47:59 as in it pretends to be smarter than it is and moves partition to/from extended and leaves unused space inbetween Aug 10 09:02:02 also, is tuxonice worth trying as an even faster way to boot? Aug 10 09:44:18 . Aug 10 09:54:24 We now have 3 reports of meego being up on 3 GMA500 based netbooks, see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Meego_on_GMA500_Based_Laptops, add yours to the list if you can Aug 10 10:00:33 <_BuBU1> Hi Aug 10 10:00:39 hi _BuBU1, how's it going? Aug 10 10:00:54 <_BuBU1> hey Stskeeps :) Aug 10 10:00:57 <_BuBU1> how are u? Aug 10 10:01:00 <_BuBU1> long time Aug 10 10:01:00 i'm good Aug 10 10:01:19 <_BuBU1> just seen a page with GMA500 based laptops support :) Aug 10 10:01:27 hehe Aug 10 10:01:31 <_BuBU1> I've that Archos 9 with poulsbo Aug 10 10:01:40 <_BuBU1> so I can test that also Aug 10 10:01:41 saw the joggler demo of handset ux? Aug 10 10:02:06 er, netbook ux Aug 10 10:02:51 <_BuBU1> not the demo just the wiki from Vgrade Aug 10 10:03:16 ah Aug 10 10:03:17 sec Aug 10 10:03:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI Aug 10 10:04:11 is tuxonice worth trying as an even faster way to boot? Aug 10 10:05:46 we also have the IVI UX up on the joggler, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVL8I1B6uPs Aug 10 10:06:33 wow, 14800 views on that one! Aug 10 10:45:48 * dm8tbr waves at _BuBU1 Aug 10 12:30:23 meego up on Archos A9, thanks to BuBU1 for his time Aug 10 12:30:32 video? Aug 10 12:30:48 he wants to get touchscreen and wifi up first Aug 10 12:31:16 ah Aug 10 12:31:38 he has usb mouse control atm Aug 10 12:32:37 hi, according to the website it seems that there is only git repositories available and no rpm repository like what maemo would have with deb repository? Aug 10 12:34:50 nevermind, looks like I've found it Aug 10 12:44:08 Any ideas why my mini laptop with GMA 3150 doesn't seem to be supporting OpenGL 2.0 in MeeGo even though it is supported by the hardware according to the intel? Aug 10 12:44:43 OpenGL 1.4 seems to be supported and glxgears runs ok Aug 10 12:47:39 kulve: are ypu sure it has 3150? Aug 10 12:48:01 N450/iGMA3150 here works just fine Aug 10 12:50:52 Phazorx: yes. MeeGo part works just fine for me too, but if I try something requiring OpenGL 2.0, Mesa falls back to sw implementations and that's really really slow Aug 10 12:51:05 Phazorx: glxinfo tells the OpenGL implementation in use Aug 10 12:51:16 mine says: Aug 10 12:51:17 OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.8.1 Aug 10 12:58:32 err... glext under win7 report 1.4 too Aug 10 12:58:50 where does it says about 2.0 support? Aug 10 12:59:55 http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/quick-reference-guide-to-intel-integrated-graphics/ Aug 10 13:00:08 "OpenGL* Support" and the foot note number 9 Aug 10 13:02:36 i see OGL 1.5 there Aug 10 13:03:01 and it is mentioned that 2.0 under linu. Aug 10 13:03:06 yes Aug 10 13:04:00 I think WebGL needs that OpenGL 2.0 and that's why I'm trying to get it to work. Currently even a simple WebGL application runs really really really slowly Aug 10 13:04:22 i wonder if there is anywhere some actual tech data on 3150 Aug 10 13:04:26 cuz this is marketting Aug 10 13:06:26 hi all Aug 10 13:06:51 looks like anywhere outside of intel general ref guide opengl 2 support is not mentioned anywhere Aug 10 13:08:50 is this[0] pointing to the latest versions of the sdk ? Aug 10 13:08:56 [0]: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Introduction Aug 10 13:50:44 hi all Aug 10 14:29:31 ezra-g: Hi Ezra Aug 10 14:29:54 mrshaver: hi mike Aug 10 14:29:54 mrshaver: we're also adding some module updates Aug 10 14:30:22 (devel should have been updated with the pull, looking into why not) Aug 10 14:30:31 ezra-g: good, I'll start the updates on a few of my items Aug 10 14:32:32 mrshaver: Hi Mike. Please describe what updates you are making. Aug 10 14:33:34 mrshaver: Would you like me to create the twitter feed block? Aug 10 14:34:45 c4rl: just created that :) Aug 10 14:35:04 would you like to add to context? Aug 10 14:35:18 mrshaver: Ok Aug 10 14:35:37 my other changes: Logistics block icons Aug 10 14:36:00 add search box from theme configuration page Aug 10 14:36:06 c4rl: i am about to updat the context module Aug 10 14:36:46 c4rl: you can also replace the temporary signup now block with the Attendees block Aug 10 14:37:01 mrshaver: Ok Aug 10 14:37:32 contrib modules are up to date Aug 10 14:37:39 let's hold off on zen for further testing ;) Aug 10 14:39:21 I'm going to make the changes to the sessions and news views Aug 10 14:44:50 mrshaver: Were you planning to add the conference contact email address to the site so that folks can get help with signups if necessary? Aug 10 14:44:59 Mainly to help avoid folks complaining via twitter ;) Aug 10 14:45:08 I forgot where we left off on that Aug 10 14:45:15 and didn't note it in the ticket :\ Aug 10 14:46:07 ezra-g: sure, that works Aug 10 14:46:16 ok Aug 10 14:47:04 mrshaver: All changes I needed to make are live. I should be available on and off throughout the day for any theme-related questions. Aug 10 14:47:21 thanks c4rl ! Aug 10 14:48:13 mrshaver: It would be great if you could double check that the signup limit #'s are correct at http://conference2010.meego.com/node/1/signups/settings Aug 10 14:48:41 "Attending" is really the only one that doesn't require admin action to obtain Aug 10 14:49:04 Hello Aug 10 14:49:09 c4rl: Thanks, looks really nice Aug 10 14:50:33 ezra-g: signup limits look good to me Aug 10 14:50:37 great Aug 10 14:51:11 hi all Aug 10 14:51:30 ezra-g: I'm going to cruise around the site and make sure everything is OK, but it looks good so far Aug 10 14:51:36 great Aug 10 14:51:42 mrshaver: I'm doing a couple of test signups Aug 10 14:53:13 Signups seem to be working well Aug 10 14:53:13 what's the way to get the qemu image working? Aug 10 14:53:23 I get a missing kvm module in kernel when trying to run it Aug 10 14:53:34 and I installed qemu-kvm from Lucid Aug 10 14:53:51 do I need to restart or insmod the module manually? Aug 10 14:53:59 is extlinux suposed to have when it is chainloaded from bcd? Aug 10 14:54:06 using this: http://www.codingday.com/dual-boot-linux-and-windows-with-windows-boot-manager/ method Aug 10 14:54:29 to have *issues* Aug 10 14:55:42 oh great, Ameya answered me on the ML. Aug 10 14:56:23 Stskeeps: tried fb_text2screen trunk on meego? :P Aug 10 14:57:01 I'm getting dupe emails as a non intel signup -- looking into it Aug 10 15:01:23 ok dupe emails resolved Aug 10 15:01:29 somehow the default signup mail got enabled at http://conference2010.meego.com/node/1/signups/settings Aug 10 15:01:56 mrshaver: did you want anyone to get an email each time someone signs up? Aug 10 15:04:33 ezra-g: I don't think that is necessary really Aug 10 15:04:39 ok sure Aug 10 15:04:45 mrshaver: Well, looks like we're in good shape! Aug 10 15:04:48 Amy and Dawn will be tracking the signups pretty closely on the site I think Aug 10 15:04:51 ok Aug 10 15:05:10 ezra-g: great! I'm just submitting a new news item about the signups Aug 10 15:05:15 cool Aug 10 15:05:26 mrshaver: I'll add "days attending" to the signup admin view Aug 10 15:06:52 ezra-g: ya, that would be great Aug 10 15:08:31 hi mrshaver Aug 10 15:09:01 lbt: hi Aug 10 15:09:21 do we have any info on SSO/LDAP ? Aug 10 15:11:05 lbt: nothing yet, but we're working on it for sure! :) Aug 10 15:11:32 OK - the community OBS is up enough that we'd like to add ldap connectivity Aug 10 15:11:47 Hi lbt Aug 10 15:11:48 mrshaver: I'd rather not open the community OBS without SSO though. Aug 10 15:12:00 we have hired a security consultant to look at the community infrastructure and one of the main areas will be with user management on the servers and services Aug 10 15:12:22 I like port 8000 :) Aug 10 15:12:32 OK - do we have an eta for them talking to us? Aug 10 15:12:39 (OBS us) Aug 10 15:12:53 I'm hoping they contact you guys this week! Aug 10 15:13:16 is the Qt meego port opensource/available somewhere? Aug 10 15:13:39 I'm pushing for the planning and migration to happen by end of September at the latest Aug 10 15:13:57 but that would mean we'd have to have ldap or whatever setup before that Aug 10 15:14:32 mrshaver: A test ldap would already help I think. Aug 10 15:14:39 girishr: if you have are working on a meego install, yumdownloader --source qt Aug 10 15:14:43 I was wondering that Aug 10 15:14:43 or look at the repo's Aug 10 15:14:56 X-Fade: anywhere we could put a VM Aug 10 15:15:22 lbt: Yeah, but I'd rather work on something which can be used by all services. Aug 10 15:15:36 slaine_: would that be qt/x11 or a some port of Qt on meego? for example, there is a qt/maemo5 Aug 10 15:15:41 do we have the schemas we'd use... Aug 10 15:16:10 We'd probably need to map which info is available through Drupal accounts. Aug 10 15:16:22 And then see what the other services need to know/store. Aug 10 15:16:57 mrshaver: ok, they can now filter by day attending at http://conference2010.meego.com/node/1/signups/admin Aug 10 15:17:07 girishr: it's Qt/X11 Aug 10 15:17:14 girishr: wot he said Aug 10 15:17:41 fabo: slaine_ : so i assume it either doesn't exist or it's not open yet :) Aug 10 15:17:49 X-Fade: I'm around later this evening Aug 10 15:17:51 of course it's open Aug 10 15:17:56 to work on the OBS I mean Aug 10 15:18:04 ezra-g: thanks, how do I update the prod site then with any theme changes? Is it just a pull? Aug 10 15:18:05 girishr: why? like slaine said ;) Aug 10 15:18:09 girishr: I just told you how to get the source Aug 10 15:18:13 mrshaver: yes Aug 10 15:18:22 lbt: Tethering through N900 as my adsl lines have a short somewhere. Aug 10 15:18:22 ezra-g: great! Aug 10 15:18:29 eek Aug 10 15:18:36 mrshaver: excellent! Aug 10 15:18:55 mrshaver: glad to see this up. I'm going to head afk for a bit but back in ~20-30 Aug 10 15:19:42 ezra-g: OK, thanks for your efforts Aug 10 15:19:42 * lbt has been busy... are we supposed to be signing up now? Aug 10 15:19:53 thank you! Aug 10 15:20:10 lbt: go for it! we probably need the testing still ;) Aug 10 15:20:38 slaine_: fabo : well, atleast on n900, you can have either Qt/X11 or Qt/Maemo5. There are features Qt/Maeom5 adds like orientation support, better MainWindow etc Aug 10 15:20:53 or did i misunderstand what you are saying? Aug 10 15:21:32 i am thinking that Qt/Meego has to exist somewhere - otherwise how does one get those features? Aug 10 15:21:46 mrshaver: Name on Conference badge .... can I suggest you add "You may include an irc nickname ... eg Fred Bloggs / frebd" Aug 10 15:21:53 or have a field for it Aug 10 15:22:02 girishr: UI is built on top of Qt/X11, there isn't any Qt/MeeGo specific Aug 10 15:22:54 lbt: good idea, IRC nick is on the main profile page, but probably would be good to add here as well Aug 10 15:23:31 mrshaver: And role in the project? Aug 10 15:24:14 girishr: Qt Mobility provides some extras APIs Aug 10 15:24:30 we can only fit so much on the badge :) Aug 10 15:24:37 * lbt didn't realise it wasn't a weekend... Aug 10 15:24:59 X-Fade: we did add a bio field, so hopefully, people can add some info about their role Aug 10 15:25:01 DawnFoster: Not everybody knows your name, but if you put your role underneath it, that would help :) Aug 10 15:25:06 Ah ;) Aug 10 15:25:13 Didn't see it in the form though. Aug 10 15:26:11 did I miss something, is the registration for the november conference on ? Aug 10 15:26:15 open even Aug 10 15:26:17 Ah, you can edit it again. Aug 10 15:26:30 The tabs confused me ;) Aug 10 15:26:33 mmm when I'm done it says "Your Signup Information" and that just says "Cancel signup" Aug 10 15:27:16 heh and it knows I'm a nokia bod Aug 10 15:27:22 lbt: Click edit and it will be a lot more interesting ;) Aug 10 15:27:42 I don't have an edit Aug 10 15:27:56 registration is open http://conference2010.meego.com/news/signup-now-meego-conference-2010 Aug 10 15:28:48 fabo: i understand now, thanks. (meego touch subclasses Qt stuff as opposed to the Qt/maemo5 world where it's inside Qt) Aug 10 15:29:53 So, what's the proposed IRC Nick on your badge approach ? Aug 10 15:30:06 mrshaver: Cool you can see other people's t-shirt sizes ;) Aug 10 15:30:16 slaine_: I put my name as "David Greaves / lbt" Aug 10 15:30:18 Firstname Lastname (aka nick) Aug 10 15:30:31 lbt, I'll copy you so Aug 10 15:30:37 lbt: Edit account. Contains IRC nick. Aug 10 15:31:17 I'll probably become David Greaves / lbt / lbt Aug 10 15:32:59 lbt, you won't mind me calling you lbt while drunk will you ;) Aug 10 15:33:30 I'm quite used to people calling me that Aug 10 15:33:38 X-Fade: whoops Aug 10 15:33:52 of course, as the night goes on I could start calling you blt and try to eat you Aug 10 15:33:59 eek Aug 10 15:34:00 but I'll try hard not to do that :) Aug 10 15:34:20 mrshaver: Also all conference info is public. Like name on conference badge and days attending. Aug 10 15:34:57 X-Fade: I'll take a look, shouldn't be Aug 10 15:36:22 lbt: Are you going to be staying at the D4 for the conference? Aug 10 15:36:38 mrshaver: click on ezra's link at attendees. Aug 10 15:36:40 I'm lucky to have a short enough name that's easy to go with a nick, although I don't think I would be able to attend the conference which is a pity for me. Aug 10 15:36:47 fiferboy: I need to check with Nokia... see what's happening Aug 10 15:37:13 lbt: Ah yes, you are in a bit of a different situation this year Aug 10 15:37:24 maybe Aug 10 15:37:44 mrshaver: Uhm, I have just cancelled Ezra's conference registration. Aug 10 15:37:47 X-Fade: I think we need to hide t-shirt size for sure, but maybe name on badge and planning on attending are fine for public consumption? Aug 10 15:37:57 nb mrshaver.... for the future... I heard that there are issues with Ireland and England as venues due to visa problems ... Aug 10 15:38:08 mrshaver: Sign up status can be altered on any account by anyone. Aug 10 15:39:14 X-Fade: I do see the tab, but it doesn't look like the status can be altered? Aug 10 15:39:29 Ah, no it just filters his signups. Aug 10 15:41:17 On the main page, the attendees are overflowing the attendees box in FF for me. Aug 10 15:41:56 It shows 4 icons on a row, where only 3 fit. Aug 10 15:42:13 X-Fade: yep, forgot to update that Aug 10 15:42:15 thanks Aug 10 15:43:19 Other than that, it looks great :) Aug 10 15:55:23 * Jaffa 's definition of "extremely favourable" rates at the D4 obviously differ to everyone elses Aug 10 15:58:21 os there a "regualar" vesa console on deployed meego like there is on live image? Aug 10 15:58:39 alt+arow or alt+f1 seems not have same effect Aug 10 15:58:56 as they had on live image when pressed after instalation Aug 10 16:02:19 Ah, 2 nights of course; rather than 3. Aug 10 16:12:03 * Jaffa opens an accomodation thread: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1083 Aug 10 16:29:18 No coverage for accomodation? Aug 10 16:29:19 What? Aug 10 16:31:39 wasn't there something about the wording for 'travel assistance' where there were supposed to be a blurb? Aug 10 16:33:03 Well, if true, that's certainly going to limit attendability for non-affiliated people. Aug 10 16:33:34 ask on the relevant thread? Aug 10 16:33:45 quim started one so Aug 10 16:34:20 That sounds like an awful lot of work Aug 10 16:34:40 not sure where 'no coverage for accomodation' comes from, personally Aug 10 16:55:55 lcuk: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/rocks-installing2.jpg :) Aug 10 16:56:24 CosmoHill, what is this? over Aug 10 16:56:41 left to right: Installing node (Linux), Windows 2008 HPC 64bit and Rocks Cluster 64bit Aug 10 16:57:48 It's my cluster at uni Aug 10 16:58:43 uu. some hardware porn Aug 10 16:59:47 crysaz: as you wish: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/computer-corner.jpg Aug 10 17:01:26 those monitors have been naughty. they are all facing the wall. over. Aug 10 17:01:43 haha Aug 10 17:02:50 CosmoHill, so what runs on the cluster then? Aug 10 17:03:18 once it's done it will be used by parrallel computing students Aug 10 17:04:07 it will also be used by some other students who need more processing power Aug 10 17:04:50 since we now have Mac pros in the labs I'm not so sure it will provide a boost Aug 10 17:06:12 I need to recompile openMPI for them Aug 10 17:06:45 why was everyone saying over? xD over. Aug 10 17:17:23 X-Fade, there appears to be something funny happening to albanc's upload of monorail. its updated only part of the required package set (the source gives 2 .debs) monorail and monorail-dbg any chance you can just have a peek and see, I can't suss why its not working since everything appears to be in order Aug 10 17:18:16 doh, that was meant to -> #maemo Aug 10 17:19:44 Stskeeps, "In order to take advantage of the extremely favourable rates in the D4 hotels, the first night will be charged to your credit card on receipt of your booking form, the balance of the payment will be charged to your credit card 7 days before arrival." doesn't sound paid. Aug 10 17:20:23 GeneralAntilles: there are lower rates for everyone coming Aug 10 17:20:34 GeneralAntilles: conference rates Aug 10 17:21:25 #meego #conference #camping would be fun Aug 10 17:21:35 though wifi connectivity may be an issue Aug 10 17:21:35 i'm planning to use that offer personally Aug 10 17:22:44 GeneralAntilles: go ask in the thread about sponsorship instead of guessing Aug 10 17:36:57 Stskeeps, ~€200 for two nights isn't really in my budget. Aug 10 17:38:22 General: Well you do not even know if the travel will be sponsored Aug 10 17:38:47 General: So, it is prolly too early to even think of accommodations Aug 10 17:38:49 RST38h, true enough. Aug 10 17:39:07 Well, there's a travel sponsorship request box on the web form. Aug 10 17:39:27 didn't it say travel sponsorship on our old maemo.org forms too? Aug 10 17:43:30 GeneralAntilles: there, went to ask for you. Aug 10 17:47:02 Stskeeps: STOP SENDING ME MORE EMAIL :'( Aug 10 17:47:11 hi guys Aug 10 17:47:17 i have one doubt. Aug 10 17:47:30 GeneralAntilles: go see, it was not that negative. Aug 10 17:47:35 to run meego in Xephyr do I need to have intel graphics... Aug 10 17:47:51 how compatible (if at all) is meego with maemo programs? Aug 10 17:47:53 can't it be used with other graphics cards.. my laptop has ATI Aug 10 17:48:01 LjL: qt, high, hildon, low Aug 10 17:49:05 most apps are hildon i suppose? Aug 10 17:50:54 can hildon not be installed separately? i think it's kind of a self-contained package, as ubuntu also used to use it Aug 10 17:50:59 any response guys Aug 10 17:51:13 abhijeet: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=767 - YMMV Aug 10 17:51:16 LjL: i made a proof of concept libhildon on stock gtk but many apps will need rewriting Aug 10 17:54:13 Stskeeps: how would you compare maemo vs meego obsession to patch everything? Aug 10 17:54:40 slonopotamus: meego tells people to send patches upstream Aug 10 17:54:51 so that helps matters Aug 10 17:54:59 Rather than tell them open a brainstorm? :) Aug 10 17:55:10 w00t_, thanks.. as u can see that you hack is not working in ATI cards Aug 10 17:55:25 no, but it gives you a point to start experimenting with Aug 10 17:55:33 Stskeeps: does meego have patching policy at all, btw? Aug 10 17:55:36 alternative would be to try install drivers inside chroot and see where that gets you Aug 10 17:55:42 w00t_, ok Aug 10 17:55:44 slonopotamus: 'work upstream' is the key one, really Aug 10 17:56:19 w00t_, are the meego guys working this to fix on non-intel display Aug 10 17:56:23 Stskeeps: well, meego devs are unlikely to have direct access to all upstreams it has Aug 10 17:56:47 slonopotamus: then you send patches upstream and add a patch in the meantime. has to be indicated as a patch in packaging, not fork our own tar.gz Aug 10 17:56:57 abhijeet: not in chroot form, I think work is going on to put it in emulated form Aug 10 17:57:22 slonopotamus: the distribution engineers are rather rough and cool Aug 10 17:57:32 w00t_, ok.. that would be nice... emulated form will be just like android.. right? Aug 10 17:57:53 I don't really know details Aug 10 17:58:09 Stskeeps: speaking of best practices, i can tell you what i see in gentoo. patches to toolchain are _only_ added after they're accepted upstream Aug 10 17:58:29 slonopotamus: yes, but gentoo is interesting Aug 10 17:58:44 Stskeeps: with upstream applying it to _next_ version and downstream applying it to current one Aug 10 17:58:45 slonopotamus: either way, it's evening and i'd rather spend some time on hacking n8x0 tonight :) Aug 10 17:58:50 bbl Aug 10 17:59:14 w00t_, ok Aug 10 18:01:11 Stskeeps <-- retro guy =0 Aug 10 18:04:51 is there any torrent for meego sdks.. Aug 10 18:05:55 i have downloaded the meego SDK twice but both the time it got corrupted. Aug 10 18:06:26 let me see Aug 10 18:06:47 abhijeet: what's the file name? Aug 10 18:06:59 meego-sdk-0524.tar.bz2 ? Aug 10 18:07:14 meego-sdk-0524 Aug 10 18:07:18 CosmoHill, yes Aug 10 18:07:52 can you link me to the md5sum? Aug 10 18:08:11 CosmoHill, you need md5sum Aug 10 18:08:28 yes please Aug 10 18:08:39 does anyone know what the projected/actual battery time is on the AAVA CDK units? Aug 10 18:08:47 CDK units? Aug 10 18:09:36 CosmoHill, 77e53521b9488ce42b0f56389887be31 Aug 10 18:10:04 Stskeeps: the AAVA phones currently available via pre-order Aug 10 18:10:09 ah Aug 10 18:10:17 abhijeet: thanks Aug 10 18:10:20 abhijeet: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-sdk-0524.tar.bz2 :) Aug 10 18:10:24 i'm seriously debating on getting one Aug 10 18:11:03 CosmoHill, again i have to download it? Aug 10 18:11:18 unless you have the correct md5sim Aug 10 18:11:28 CosmoHill, ok Aug 10 18:11:36 CosmoHill, i found another sdk : meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0729.tar.bz2 Aug 10 18:11:46 if you have the same md5sum then it will be fine Aug 10 18:11:48 CosmoHill, what is the difference between these tow Aug 10 18:12:09 i;d guess one is newer? Aug 10 18:12:43 CosmoHill, in that case should i go for the new one?? Aug 10 18:12:59 CosmoHill, i found that at : http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux Aug 10 18:13:03 maybe... Aug 10 18:13:43 CosmoHill, it is quite a pain.. can anyone share the big sdk using torrent Aug 10 18:14:22 CosmoHill, files are always have same checksum when downloaded with torrent. Aug 10 18:30:05 what a day Aug 10 18:30:10 I agree Aug 10 18:30:22 * CosmoHill offers slaine and auke tea Aug 10 18:30:25 we had an evacuation drill here at intel today Aug 10 18:30:28 mmmm, thanks Aug 10 18:30:33 wasted 40 minutes outside in the parkin lot :D Aug 10 18:31:06 I'd a plumber here today, who managed to drill right through a pipe and empty my central heating system onto my lovely wooden floors Aug 10 18:31:26 your entire house now is a sauna? Aug 10 18:31:33 lol Aug 10 18:31:43 it's summer here, so the heating wasn't on Aug 10 18:31:43 slaine: preparing for the finns coming to dublin? Aug 10 18:32:04 it's all cleaned up now Aug 10 18:32:25 the reason I hired a plumber was to avoid me doing such a dumb ass thing Aug 10 18:56:55 slaine, that failed then Aug 10 18:56:56 :( Aug 10 18:57:04 indeed Aug 10 18:57:07 live and learn Aug 10 18:57:08 auke, 40 minutes in the parking lot is not wasted time - its team building Aug 10 18:57:22 auke, if it was sunny then double bonus :) Aug 10 18:57:30 extra cig break Aug 10 18:57:40 but did everyone walk out in their intel moonsuits? Aug 10 18:57:58 (or did tv lie and thats not actually standard issue for every employee?) Aug 10 19:11:53 * Stskeeps ponders adding 'will only eat things with bacon' in the dietary restrictions field Aug 10 19:12:04 ;) Aug 10 19:15:32 Somebody really needs to get MeeGo on the Streak Aug 10 19:15:56 GAN900: i think smoku was thinking about that Aug 10 19:16:03 GAN900: someone got meego on archos 9 today Aug 10 19:16:50 Stskeeps, save it for people with legitimate dietary restrictions. :P Aug 10 19:17:17 GAN900: yeah, i'm not an idiot :P Aug 10 19:17:39 Stskeeps, escalate the issue to the TSG - people should be identifying that they *DO NOT* want bacon. Aug 10 19:18:08 what's the "Streak" ? Aug 10 19:18:44 the Streak is what stskeeps does when he sees the bacon butties Aug 10 19:20:53 *rimshot* Aug 10 19:20:57 ;) Aug 10 19:44:18 * GAN900 has a dimmer that flashes when off. Aug 10 19:44:56 TSCHAKeee, Dell. Aug 10 20:12:39 How are there so many fools subscribed to the lists that can't figure out how to unsubscribe except by sendings all-caps emails back to it. . . . Aug 10 20:33:58 GeneralAntilles, thats the normal way to unsub from some lists - what part makes them fools? Aug 10 20:34:28 lcuk, mail an all caps request TO THE LIST? No, no it's not. Aug 10 20:34:56 HOW DO I GET OUT OF THIS IRC CHANNEL /RAGE Aug 10 20:35:45 sigh Aug 10 20:36:00 auke, unless you have a irc capable mobile device, evacuation drills seem to do the trick Aug 10 20:36:05 PLEASE STOP TALKING URE MAKING MY LAPTOP BEEP AND IM TRYING TO SLEEP NEED TO GET UP EARLY TOMORROW Aug 10 20:36:32 hahaha Aug 10 20:37:03 in other news: irc kills power savings, adds to global warming Aug 10 20:38:00 still pondering how irc suitable for power saving would look like, protocol wise Aug 10 20:40:18 batched. it's called e-mail. Aug 10 20:48:30 it's called ZNC with some patches, to filter/aggregate join/quit msgs and other useless stuff, and send it on bulk together with the unevitable NAT keepalive ping every few minutes Aug 10 20:57:04 batched is the key, you don't need realtime if screen is off. Aug 10 20:57:21 PMs and highlights could be an exception Aug 10 20:59:30 So an additional command to ask server to store stuff for a 1-5 minutes before sending it as a burst Aug 10 20:59:56 and to ask to sen burst earlier on PM or filter expression Aug 10 21:00:25 .. and command to go back to realtime/normal Aug 10 21:39:29 some scary stuff on bbc1 Aug 10 21:40:01 two crazy forien women run across the motorway (freeway) without success Aug 10 21:40:37 sounds more like youtube material Aug 10 21:41:02 there happened to be a BBC camera man with the police crew Aug 10 21:41:07 Other BBC stuff on right now which is scary, but in a much more incredibly nifty and brilliant sort of way: Mongrels ;) Aug 10 21:41:58 woman ran into the road and got hit by a lorry Aug 10 21:42:06 then her sister ran into the road and got hit by a car Aug 10 21:43:14 CosmoHill: isn't that > 6 months old Aug 10 21:43:18 yes Aug 10 21:43:24 still scary Aug 10 21:44:15 this is more scary http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10912376 Aug 10 21:46:53 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 10 21:51:03 lbt: 2 years Aug 10 21:51:06 it just said Aug 10 22:02:32 evening! Aug 10 22:03:13 * allandrick had an entirely productive day at work today. Aug 10 22:03:20 despite not getting anywhere near enough sleep :P Aug 10 22:03:35 yay Aug 10 22:03:52 Hey Cosmo Aug 10 22:03:59 * allandrick bounces Aug 10 22:04:15 We got IVI UX on my Joggler last night Cos :) Aug 10 22:04:21 * allandrick thanks vgrade Aug 10 22:04:56 shopped for components at lunch today - bu353, obd-II and BT2.0 on their way :-) Aug 10 22:05:12 all for less than 55 notes! Aug 10 22:06:38 allandrick, evenning Aug 10 22:06:48 g'day mate Aug 10 22:07:08 so - question - meego is an amalgamation of a couple of projects, right? Aug 10 22:07:51 maemo and moblin Aug 10 22:08:13 coool Aug 10 22:08:30 So hopefully we'll see some of the apps come across in time Aug 10 22:09:07 I've found an absolute corker for the OBD-II interface Aug 10 22:09:53 http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ Aug 10 22:10:53 The SDK has some early releases Aug 10 22:11:04 so folk can start porting Aug 10 22:11:28 carman looks like is will run ok Aug 10 22:11:54 awesome vgrade Aug 10 22:11:58 I've ordered a cable ;-) Aug 10 22:13:33 \o/, I've just brought up the netbook UK up on the Joggler Aug 10 22:14:07 sorry that should have been handset UX :) Aug 10 22:14:16 lol nice Aug 10 22:14:25 much different? Aug 10 22:15:00 just playing with it now, video later I think Aug 10 22:19:05 hi all Aug 10 22:20:00 I've followed these instructions http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU and I've the MeeGo handled UI up and running... ok.. and now? It's called MeeGo SDK, but... how can I compile something (for example a Qt/C++ application) and run inside the emulator? Aug 10 22:20:45 hi andy Aug 10 22:21:04 hi allandrick Aug 10 22:27:14 yuk Aug 10 22:27:24 vgrade: wireless doesn't support wpa Aug 10 22:27:32 or doesn't seem to Aug 10 22:28:38 no Aug 10 22:28:40 I'm doing it wrong Aug 10 22:28:41 ;-) Aug 10 22:38:14 hmm Aug 10 22:38:29 got the wpa supplicant working Aug 10 22:38:30 associated Aug 10 22:38:36 but can't get an IP... Aug 10 22:39:56 hurm... no DHCPOFFERS received. Aug 10 22:40:01 * allandrick breaks out wireshark. Aug 10 22:44:13 * allandrick digs out a lan cable. Aug 10 22:46:19 yay Aug 10 22:46:46 &^%$# Aug 10 22:46:51 mac address is borked. Aug 10 22:46:54 * allandrick googles. Aug 10 22:48:18 right Aug 10 22:48:20 connected. Aug 10 22:48:23 * allandrick cheers. Aug 10 22:56:21 allandrick, if you find new ways to do things would you mind adding them to http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo Aug 10 22:56:34 sure thing Aug 10 22:56:46 at this stage all I've managed to do is configure the lan interface Aug 10 22:56:50 forcibly Aug 10 22:57:05 not sure it'll survive reboot Aug 10 22:57:11 yes, details of how to do that are on that page Aug 10 22:57:13 none of the system properties files are there Aug 10 22:57:23 quite a bit missing :) Aug 10 22:59:14 yes, people have added things like ntp, ethernet, sound configs, see the wiki for details from other distos which you can use directly or modify Aug 10 22:59:30 did you say you had sound last night? Aug 10 22:59:37 or this morning as it was Aug 10 22:59:43 I thought I had Aug 10 22:59:48 when I started navit I heard "Navit" Aug 10 22:59:51 but not this time Aug 10 23:00:01 just hissing this time Aug 10 23:00:23 will try a movie Aug 10 23:08:55 ok something wierd Aug 10 23:09:07 modprobe is reporting failure to load /lib/modules/2.6.33.3/ Aug 10 23:09:11 modules.dep Aug 10 23:09:23 yet the modules directory is 2.6.33.5-23.1-ivi Aug 10 23:09:26 hurm. Aug 10 23:13:53 now screen is corrupting - I guess that's the famous joggler overheating. Aug 10 23:27:58 allandrick, that modules thing needs fixing, I will sort and publish a new .ks file. The issue is that we have only the kernel bZimage and not the associated modules. Aug 10 23:28:23 gotcha Aug 10 23:28:34 that's the video driver thing right Aug 10 23:28:43 thing==issue Aug 10 23:29:05 gah Aug 10 23:29:07 no the bZImage is the kernel image which includes the DRM graphics river Aug 10 23:29:13 * allandrick nods Aug 10 23:29:16 finding it difficult to test audio Aug 10 23:29:26 totem has no plugins - no mp3, no AC3 Aug 10 23:29:53 audio issue may be due to the lack of modules Aug 10 23:29:58 could be. Aug 10 23:30:19 let me see what I can do, do you have IRC at work? Aug 10 23:30:20 trying a .wav Aug 10 23:30:58 generally not - nor access to the joggler really Aug 10 23:31:08 Thursday I'm planning to work from home which will be interesting ;-) Aug 10 23:31:19 but I'm also home tomorrow evening Aug 10 23:31:40 can be on just after tea time. Aug 10 23:31:41 :) Aug 10 23:34:55 in the mean time, if there's anything I can test/do to be useful - I'm happy to oblige. you have my contact details via the forums if you need them Aug 10 23:40:19 where can I find meego package versions (e.g. gstreamer in meego 1.0) Aug 10 23:40:23 ? Aug 10 23:40:37 would you like the long or the short answer? Aug 10 23:45:29 short: you can't Aug 10 23:46:59 is it just me or does meego fail to build on Ubuntu 10.04? Have been trying to build for the joggler but get a ton of "scriptlet failed, signal 4" errors. Aug 10 23:47:44 errors with both emgd-netbook-3.ks and emgd-netbook-joggler.ks Aug 10 23:48:00 night all Aug 10 23:48:14 Millhouse, not had that one Aug 10 23:48:29 must be something i'm missing then Aug 10 23:48:40 have updated syslinux etc. - what a pullava that was Aug 10 23:49:05 did you do the check deps thing? Aug 10 23:49:40 yep, all good (apart from the check-deps getting confused by Ubuntu version numbers) Aug 10 23:49:56 using the git version of image-creator Aug 10 23:50:30 my syslinux is 2:3.86 but it still thought it earlier than 3.85 as the check-deps checkpkg function doesn't realise that Ubuntu version numbers are prefixed by another number Aug 10 23:50:32 the meego-arm boys swear by a fedora VM to do mic builds Aug 10 23:50:46 s/by/at Aug 10 23:50:47 vgrade: yes - pulled it from git, ran make Aug 10 23:50:47 s/by/at/ Aug 10 23:50:48 CosmoHill meant: s/at/at Aug 10 23:50:51 dammit Aug 10 23:51:21 ran check-deps - failed, so updated syslinux on ubuntu 10.04 from a ppa, checkdeps still failed because it's got an ubuntu-specific bug Aug 10 23:51:28 but all my deps are now good Aug 10 23:52:09 hmm.. ok maybe i tell a lie Aug 10 23:52:15 CosmoHill :) nice one Aug 10 23:52:24 i built mic from git... but may have ran the mic i installed from apt Aug 10 23:52:53 * Milhouse goes off to re-run git version of mic to see if it makes any difference... Aug 10 23:52:58 vgrade: it's like working, only out of you and the pc, your the only one working Aug 10 23:53:32 s/your/you're/ Aug 10 23:53:32 CosmoHill meant: vgrade: it's like working, only out of you and the pc, you're the only one working Aug 10 23:56:41 running now, but I can see I'm already getting lots of signal 4 errors. :( Aug 10 23:56:59 anyone know what a signal 4 error might mean? Aug 11 00:05:51 * CosmoHill crys when he sees his time table Aug 11 00:08:12 I've uploaded the output from my emgd-netbook-3.ks build here if anyone would be so kind to take a look! :) http://pastebin.ca/1914817 Aug 11 00:08:19 (it's not pretty) Aug 11 00:10:46 Milhouse: it probably means the application received a signal 4. Aug 11 00:11:02 that's a SIGILL Aug 11 00:11:02 that much I guess for myself :) Aug 11 00:11:11 which processor do you have? Aug 11 00:11:17 AMD Athlon XP Aug 11 00:11:26 don't tell me this can only be built on pucka Intel? Aug 11 00:11:29 are you running MeeGo binaries? Aug 11 00:11:36 no - Ubuntu 10.04 Aug 11 00:11:51 so no pre-built binaries downloaded from repo.meego.com ? Aug 11 00:12:12 no - pulled MIC from git and built it, now just running m-i-c Aug 11 00:12:33 which process got SIGILL? Aug 11 00:12:47 several hundred Aug 11 00:13:12 http://pastebin.ca/1914817 <--- starts at glibc [32/656]. the command I ran is at the top Aug 11 00:14:05 enough space on the drive Millhouse Aug 11 00:14:11 lots Aug 11 00:14:24 it's trying to run packages downloaded from repo.meego.com Aug 11 00:14:28 56% in use Aug 11 00:14:35 those are optimised for Atom Aug 11 00:14:44 yeah, i'm assuming each of these "scriptlets" is an rpm? Aug 11 00:15:10 some seem to work ok - others not so much Aug 11 00:15:29 scriptlets is the pre- or post-install script that is run by rpm Aug 11 00:15:37 has anyone built MeeGo on an AMD CPU? Aug 11 00:15:39 it's probably launching some program, which in turn crashes Aug 11 00:15:40 Milhouse: It looks like the signal 4 is from post-package-install steps that are run in the staging area for the image using the installed binaries. The illegal instruction is probably a SSE2/SSE3 instruction. Aug 11 00:15:59 It's probably not AMD per se that's the issue so much as the age of your processor. Aug 11 00:16:02 * thiago_home wonders how one builds ARM images Aug 11 00:16:07 that would really, *really* suck if you have to use Intel to build MeeGo Aug 11 00:16:15 Milhouse: you don't have to use Intel Aug 11 00:16:18 you just need a new processor Aug 11 00:16:19 hmm maybe - shame as it's ideal for Linux :) Aug 11 00:16:42 ha... i'll have to give that some thought :) Aug 11 00:16:46 thiago_home: qemu, I think Aug 11 00:17:01 in the mean time would it be possible for someone to put a little note on the wiki about this dependency? Aug 11 00:17:02 chandler: can qemu emulate instructions your processor doesn't have? Aug 11 00:17:12 Milhouse: I'm pretty sure it's there Aug 11 00:17:22 I think it can, yes. Aug 11 00:17:30 thiago: didn't neotice anything on the build instructions but I could have missed it Aug 11 00:17:38 You can even emulate x86-64 on 32-bit x86... slowly :-) Aug 11 00:17:59 chandler: would be great if this could be fixed in software Aug 11 00:18:16 Milhouse: will probably always require qemu or a processor that has the same featureset Aug 11 00:18:24 MeeGo Atom builds are optimised for Atom Aug 11 00:18:40 Right but I'm guessing we don't have to build ARM on ARM? Aug 11 00:18:44 you require a processor that is at least as good, in terms of CPU feature support Aug 11 00:18:47 no, you need qemu for ARM Aug 11 00:19:12 * Milhouse sobs :) Aug 11 00:19:20 rpm pre- and post-install scripts can run anything from the system Aug 11 00:19:25 and the system is ARM or Atom Aug 11 00:19:36 therefore, either you have those CPUs, or you emulate them Aug 11 00:19:42 * CosmoHill gives thiago_home a cookie Aug 11 00:20:59 Presumably a VM on Win7 with an i7 CPU would work? Aug 11 00:21:20 i7 has all the features Atom has, plus more Aug 11 00:21:26 Is there a downloadable VM image for MeeGo? Aug 11 00:21:27 CosmoHill: and what would be the long answer (about getting package versions)? Maybe just the architecture packages would be ok. Maybe someone could tell me gstreamer version. Aug 11 00:21:36 yes, get virtualbox and a fedora VM Aug 11 00:21:37 but does the VM have the 3D support required? Aug 11 00:21:56 pavlix: the long answer would be that you need to compile it yourself Aug 11 00:21:56 vgrade et al: many thanks... will be back when I have a working VM. :) Aug 11 00:21:56 If I enable debugging messages for wpa_supplicant (/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1.service) -- any idea where the messages go?? Aug 11 00:22:05 i think someone else might have already compiled one Aug 11 00:22:27 gabrbedd: sorry, only used wireless on RHEL Aug 11 00:22:38 except for MOVBE, but I doubt gcc generates such instruction Aug 11 00:23:13 Milhouse: you should be able to rename the file from .img to .iso and get virtualbox to load that Aug 11 00:23:21 Millhouse, i use the fedora 11 from here http://virtualboxes.org/images/fedora/ Aug 11 00:23:28 vgrade: i thought virtualbox didn't have the 3D support needed by Meego? Aug 11 00:23:29 Milhouse: there are downloadable disk images Aug 11 00:23:45 Milhouse: you should be able to use that as a development environment Aug 11 00:23:48 thanks - am downloading now :) Aug 11 00:23:52 CosmoHill: just to know package versions? I would not dare to expect debian-packages-like interface, but a short description of the architecture would be fine. Aug 11 00:24:13 (I guess the answer is to write it to the wiki myself.) Aug 11 00:24:14 for running the apps, you must make sure that OpenGL (Netbook) or OpenGL ES (the others) works Aug 11 00:24:24 vgrade: would Fedora 13 be an OK option? Aug 11 00:24:42 pavlix: sorry but I don't understand the question Aug 11 00:24:51 thiago: I'll be testing the builds on a Joggler Aug 11 00:25:09 maybe compile ffmpeg and vlc yourself? Aug 11 00:25:18 Milhouse: why don't you just download the pre-built handset image straight onto the Joggler? Aug 11 00:25:54 is it available with emgd - didn't find it Aug 11 00:26:07 was going for the netbook build - tried handset on N900 (not much to see!) Aug 11 00:26:17 vgrade: did you make the meego GMA500 image that you build public? Aug 11 00:27:25 if so, could I host a copy of that image? Aug 11 00:27:46 CosmoHill: thanks :-/ Aug 11 00:28:11 which one, ive done netbook, ivi and handset now on joggler Aug 11 00:28:15 erm actually Aug 11 00:28:22 vgrade: joggler Aug 11 00:28:35 since that is what Milhouse will want Aug 11 00:28:35 drat, nobody seems to be seeding fedora13 - pulling down F12 Aug 11 00:28:50 gabrbedd: could try in /log ? Aug 11 00:29:05 s@/log@/var/log@ Aug 11 00:29:13 vgrade: have you made your emgd joggler builds available? Aug 11 00:29:24 i thought there were "issues" Aug 11 00:29:38 when aren't there issues? Aug 11 00:29:44 CosmoHill: Yeah... nothing's obvious. They don't seem to show up in messages, and there is no syslog. Aug 11 00:29:53 Cosmohill, no i've done ivi ux, netbook ux and handset ux on joggler Aug 11 00:29:55 CosmoHill: I'm now trying to sniff it out with lsof. Aug 11 00:30:03 you migh have to restart the demon once its' been enabeld Aug 11 00:30:16 vgrade: oh I see Aug 11 00:30:23 Millhouse, no images just instructions Aug 11 00:30:28 i think netbook might be best Aug 11 00:31:01 actually there were two images I donwloaded... a pair of iso's.. never got the login prompt though (got the garbled screen, pressed ALT-F1 but no prompt) Aug 11 00:31:05 http://www.youtube.com/user/vgrade100 Aug 11 00:31:14 CosmoHill: my original question was how do I learn package versions found in meego (without touching a meego device or installing meego). I am especially curious about the architecture, namely gstreamer. Aug 11 00:31:23 vgrade: you're just taunting me now :) Aug 11 00:31:37 pavlix: for software versions you could look in the repo Aug 11 00:31:54 it should list them like package-1.2-1.i686.rpm Aug 11 00:31:56 yes, those images were for GMA500 based netbooks, I did not make those Aug 11 00:31:57 or something like that Aug 11 00:32:50 vgrade: I bet you filmed that on a N900 Aug 11 00:33:07 Nexus 1 Aug 11 00:33:16 pavlix: http://mirrors1.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.packages Aug 11 00:33:51 CosmoHill: thanks Aug 11 00:33:53 vgrade: so no public image that people can install onto their own jogglers? Aug 11 00:33:56 gabrbedd: thanks very much Aug 11 00:35:00 CosmoHill: I'm starting to think they're going to /dev/null. Aug 11 00:35:31 well it never runs out of space no matter how much you put in it Aug 11 00:36:54 * gabrbedd wonders if `tail -f /dev/null` will work... Aug 11 00:43:45 night night Aug 11 00:47:38 Hi Aug 11 01:16:18 ConmoHill: Doh! I should just use the -f option for wpa_supplicant Aug 11 01:28:15 * peb is gone. Gone since Wed Aug 4 19:38:00 2010 Aug 11 01:49:27 is meego better than moblin? Aug 11 01:54:57 It's an evolution of moblin Aug 11 01:55:06 Bed time **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 11 02:59:57 2010