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Aug 15 03:03:38 <ali1234> well that didn't work
Aug 15 03:04:06 <ali1234> obs_import_srcrpmtree just created an empty directory in the project for each rpm
Aug 15 03:04:10 <ali1234> no source code or anything
Aug 15 03:04:31 <ali1234> i have to wonder why it took two hours just to do that
Aug 15 03:17:03 <slithytove2006> is it possible to run a LAMP installation under meego?
Aug 15 04:43:59 <psycho_oreos> Hi, all! Does someone knows if I can use rsync to create a mirror of MeeGo repository?
Aug 15 05:24:51 <trip0> psycho_oreos, probably
Aug 15 05:25:39 <psycho_oreos> trip0, well that's not really helpful, I've searched through irclogs and didn't find much pointers on the url of the repo
Aug 15 05:27:15 <trip0> do you have meego installed?
Aug 15 05:27:45 <psycho_oreos> not yet, am planning to inside virtual machine
Aug 15 05:30:34 <psycho_oreos> the main issue I'm facing now is small bandwidth (due to monthly quota) and so to counteract that, before I get shaped again I'm planning to create a local mirror so I won't suffer as much
Aug 15 05:46:06 <trip0> bummer
Aug 15 05:46:29 <trip0> probably won't work well in a virtual machine
Aug 15 06:17:57 <psycho_oreos> what do you mean it won't work well in virtual machine? it will if its setup right
Aug 15 06:30:56 <trip0> virtual machines don't do opengl very well
Aug 15 06:39:17 <psycho_oreos> yeah well that's besides the point for now, I just need to figure out if I can rsync the meego repo or not.. for what reason they chose to use rpm is beyond me
Aug 15 07:00:01 <trip0> well, yanno, religious beliefs and stuff
Aug 15 07:00:08 <trip0> :P
Aug 15 07:00:38 <trip0> when others wake up, they may be more helpful on the rsync front
Aug 15 07:00:44 <trip0> my brain has gone to sleep
Aug 15 08:01:41 <Phazorx> in meego - where do i need to put kernel module and what i need to configure for them to be automatically picked up at boot?
Aug 15 08:03:00 <sofar> is it specifically built for meego?
Aug 15 08:03:09 <sofar> if so, use the build routines to install it
Aug 15 08:03:16 <Phazorx> err... no exactly
Aug 15 08:03:22 <sofar> if you have to do something like that manually, it won't work
Aug 15 08:03:29 <sofar> you can't mix kernel modules and kernels
Aug 15 08:03:57 <Phazorx> well i did build it, and it was done w/in meego
Aug 15 08:04:03 <Phazorx> and it does work with given kernel
Aug 15 08:04:11 <Phazorx> i just want to make it presists across reboots
Aug 15 08:04:13 <sofar> insmod module.ko works?
Aug 15 08:04:16 <Phazorx> yup
Aug 15 08:04:22 <Phazorx> and dmesg reports what it was supposed to
Aug 15 08:04:28 <sofar> why not use the builds' code to `make install` ?
Aug 15 08:04:29 <Phazorx> and modinfo shows what i was expecting to saee
Aug 15 08:04:51 <Phazorx> there isnt any code there :)
Aug 15 08:05:00 <Phazorx> pakager kinda forgot to make proper makefile
Aug 15 08:05:21 <sofar> in that case, you can copy your module to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/... underneath there somewhere
Aug 15 08:05:44 <sofar> there should be an etc. file where you can add it to force loading
Aug 15 08:05:47 <Phazorx> and for kernel being aware that it needs it ?
Aug 15 08:06:01 <Phazorx> well i dont see /etc/rc.modules
Aug 15 08:06:12 <Phazorx> or in fact i dont see anytihng in /etc with "modules" in name
Aug 15 08:06:14 <sofar> well, the kernel module itself should advertise to the kernel what devices it supports
Aug 15 08:06:20 <sofar> make sure to run depmod
Aug 15 08:06:39 <sofar> in /etc/sysconfig perhaps? not entirely sure where meego keeps that
Aug 15 08:06:56 <Phazorx> depmod as is not location specific is it?
Aug 15 08:07:15 <sofar> no, just run depmod after you cp the file
Aug 15 08:07:23 <Phazorx> thought so
Aug 15 08:07:33 <sofar> you can always just make an init.d script that runs modprobe
Aug 15 08:07:37 <Phazorx> and i guess i need to do that after every kernelupdate?
Aug 15 08:07:43 <sofar> yes
Aug 15 08:08:17 <Phazorx> well i know many way to do devious things to modules on wariery of distros... but i am wonderong what is  *proper* way to do it on meego :)
Aug 15 08:08:58 <sofar> make it builtin to the kernel
Aug 15 08:09:03 <sofar> submit the code to dev.meego.com
Aug 15 08:09:08 <sofar> have it merged into meego
Aug 15 08:09:17 <sofar> there you go, the proper way :)
Aug 15 08:09:41 <Phazorx> i filed a bug report with same pointers i used to make things happened here
Aug 15 08:10:06 <sofar> can I ask what driver/module this is?
Aug 15 08:10:10 <Phazorx> and i dont think that what did here is standard enough to be submitted
Aug 15 08:10:19 <Phazorx> i kinda lack knowledge to do it properly :)
Aug 15 08:10:57 <Phazorx> samsung-backlight stolen from here https://launchpad.net/~voria/+archive/ppa/+packages
Aug 15 08:11:12 <Phazorx> and i need to do something about xorg-synaptics as well
Aug 15 08:11:18 <Phazorx> but that is a different story i guess
Aug 15 08:11:30 <Phazorx> and i'll need more help with that :)
Aug 15 08:18:55 <Phazorx> does it matter where i shove *.ko's in /lib/modules tree?
Aug 15 10:31:34 <joris_imp> I tried to create an account on meego.com, but failed. I did not receive any email and could not log in. Who can I contact with this problem?
Aug 15 10:40:05 <aboyer> i have setup a meego chroot environment on my system (amd cpu, nvidia gfx, kubuntu). is it possible to launch qtcreator from within the chroot environment?
Aug 15 10:40:48 <thiago_home> yes
Aug 15 10:40:51 <aboyer> from what i understand, the limitations regarding intel hardware only apply to the simulator
Aug 15 10:40:55 <aboyer> how?
Aug 15 10:40:56 <thiago_home> yes
Aug 15 10:40:59 <thiago_home> type: qtcreator
Aug 15 10:41:14 <aboyer> qtcreator.bin: cannot connect to X server :0
Aug 15 10:41:24 <thiago_home> is DISPLAY set?
Aug 15 10:41:42 <aboyer> now matter what i set for DISPLAY, i always get that error
Aug 15 10:41:50 <thiago_home> then it's your xauth settings
Aug 15 10:41:59 <thiago_home> copy your $HOME/.xauth to inside the chroot
Aug 15 10:44:11 <aboyer> i don't have an xauth...
Aug 15 10:49:20 <aboyer> duh! you need to copy it to /root and not /home/meego
Aug 15 10:49:21 <aboyer> thx
Aug 15 10:49:57 <thiago_home> why are you trying to run a chroot qtcreator anyway?
Aug 15 10:50:20 <aboyer> following the instructions here http://wiki.meego.com/Hello_World_-_MeeGo_x86_development_on_Linux
Aug 15 10:50:39 <thiago_home> you shouldn't need to chroot, except for building some complex packages
Aug 15 10:51:17 <aboyer> is there a better/easier way to go about developping apps (that depend not only on qt but also gstreamer) for meego
Aug 15 10:52:00 <thiago_home> if you want to depend on gstreamer, probably you need to chroot
Aug 15 10:52:05 <thiago_home> but that's only for the final build
Aug 15 10:52:12 <thiago_home> for now, use your own distro's equivalents
Aug 15 10:52:53 <aboyer> but i also want to test things on the device, my app also depends on opengl es...
Aug 15 10:53:32 <thiago_home> is your app done already, ready for testing?
Aug 15 10:54:19 <aboyer> it's built for maemo, i'm looking into how to port/build it for meego
Aug 15 10:54:26 <thiago_home> ah, ok
Aug 15 10:54:32 <thiago_home> if it exists already, then chroot by all means :-)
Aug 15 10:54:42 <thiago_home> I thought you were just starting
Aug 15 10:54:56 <aboyer> well, just starting with meego :)
Aug 15 10:55:55 <thiago_home> I meant with your app
Aug 15 12:23:52 <Macer> http://i.imgur.com/Kfh36.jpg
Aug 15 12:23:55 <Macer> eek
Aug 15 12:24:09 <Macer> talk about gridlock
Aug 15 13:09:05 <Macer> well. looks like oracle pulled a nokia and killed opensolaris
Aug 15 13:11:24 <dm8tbr> they just rebranded to closedsolais...
Aug 15 13:16:50 <Macer> solaricle
Aug 15 13:17:02 <Macer> it sucks :)
Aug 15 13:17:26 <Macer> i am a pretty huge fan of opensolaris too. it is great and it is a shame they have gone and simply pulled the rug out from under people's feet
Aug 15 13:17:34 <leinir> *cough* mandriva *cough* ;)
Aug 15 13:18:03 <Macer> but eventually someonen will make an open alternative to whatever it is they are trying to accomplish and companies will find out that it is better than what oracle has and they will start to slowly lose their market share
Aug 15 14:03:06 <lcuk> meego in space :p http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l71szdoFT11qzpwi0o1_400.jpg
Aug 15 14:14:42 <arfoll> To any maemo OBS people - I've been trying to find a way to disable rpmlint in my obs project config (or in the package), but I cannot seem to find a way without having a yaml file. Is there a way around? I made an autoyaml file using the meego spectacle tool and that just borked the package completely
Aug 15 14:23:03 <lbt> arfoll: I think there's a package you can negate in the buildrequires
Aug 15 14:24:06 <lbt> I think auke knows about spectacle and autoyaml (though he may only care about autospectacle... not sure how they're related)
Aug 15 14:24:32 <arfoll> lbt, I think i got an answer from a guy on #opensuse-buildersvice
Aug 15 14:25:11 <lbt> ok, neat. You may want to put something on the MeeGo wiki... :)
Aug 15 14:25:22 <lbt> even links to that page
Aug 15 14:25:37 * lbt goes to pick apples
Aug 15 14:25:41 <arfoll> I will actually, becasue I'm sure i'm not the first to tear my hair off with this mess
Aug 15 14:53:03 <vgrade> lbt, Goto Repository working now thanks
Aug 15 15:11:52 <ali1234> right, i'm going to have to start over. obs completely imploded, no i just get weird security errors no matter what i try to do on the webif, and osc just runs and runs and runs until python dies from exceeding the recursion limit
Aug 15 15:42:21 <niadh> Hi can someone help me package something for meego?
Aug 15 15:43:24 <cobra-the-joker> hey guys ... is meego in a stable state now ?
Aug 15 15:43:42 <niadh> What do you mean by stable?
Aug 15 15:43:53 <niadh> In what way was it NOT stable for you?
Aug 15 15:43:54 <cobra-the-joker> for public use
Aug 15 15:44:14 <cobra-the-joker> i didnt use it before ... but i am willing if its stable :D
Aug 15 15:44:22 <Stskeeps> what ux?
Aug 15 15:44:28 <cobra-the-joker> you know ... beta or something like that
Aug 15 15:45:10 <niadh> Well i have been using it for weeks now after its release and its nice
Aug 15 15:45:37 <niadh> It has its own user interface though so dont expect gnome or kde
Aug 15 15:45:40 <BluesLee> cobra-the-joker: its usable on a netbook
Aug 15 15:46:14 <cobra-the-joker> hmmm .... is it has a base distro for ...or just independant ?
Aug 15 15:47:21 <berndhs> niadh, by "packaging" you mean making an rpm that installs ? or getting something into the repos ?
Aug 15 15:47:52 <BluesLee> Stskeeps: by the way, are there any plans to develop a kind of universal multiboot concept for meego or use an existing one?
Aug 15 15:48:42 <niadh> I want to build my own rpms for meego, as per the tutorial in the forums, i wanna build vlc, but i dont wanna dump unpackaged files all over my system so wanna build vlc + deps so everyone can install it
Aug 15 15:48:49 <BluesLee> Stskeeps: users want to try out nitdroid, backup menu, ubuntu, meego etc
Aug 15 15:49:06 <niadh> If it makes it into the repos so much the better but thats not my first aim
Aug 15 15:49:28 <berndhs> i have made some rpms, the seem to install ok, for some libs and apps
Aug 15 15:49:54 <BluesLee> Stskeeps: in some cases their installation methods contradict each other
Aug 15 15:50:35 <berndhs> all you need is to make a .spec file, and the standard rpm tools
Aug 15 15:50:44 <niadh> Well I am having an issue with libmad, maybe coz i have done something wrong but since this is my first exploration into rpms I wont know what I have done wrong. Am trying to build the rpm from the spec file inside the sdk emulator
Aug 15 15:51:24 <berndhs> i can check it out here, i have a laptop that runs meego
Aug 15 15:51:28 <Stskeeps> BluesLee: reusing is always good
Aug 15 15:51:44 <berndhs> spec files are simple but mysterious
Aug 15 15:53:13 <niadh> pastebin.com/UUX1fExu
Aug 15 15:54:43 <Stskeeps> BluesLee: i am thinking about using multiboot.
Aug 15 15:54:46 <BluesLee> Stskeeps: thats right ... the users would benefit if the provided image would be for instance in tgz, using dd and repartitioning the sd card makes the latter unusable for other distros
Aug 15 15:55:23 <Stskeeps> BluesLee: not possible sorry, but extracting bits from the image is trivial.
Aug 15 15:56:19 <berndhs> niadh, looking at it, pls wait...
Aug 15 15:56:55 <niadh> berndhs: Thanks :)
Aug 15 15:57:01 <BluesLee> Stskeeps: you mean: i may generate a virtual loopable image, dd the meego image into it and then extract it again
Aug 15 15:57:32 <BluesLee> something like that i guess
Aug 15 15:59:54 <BluesLee> okay, i found it http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/4202
Aug 15 15:59:56 <berndhs> niadh: where do i get the tar.gz ?
Aug 15 16:00:40 <niadh> underbit.com/products/mad
Aug 15 16:01:48 <timeless> hrm, hg qnew x -m foo -m 'bar baz'
Aug 15 16:01:59 <timeless> what's the expected behavior?
Aug 15 16:41:37 <Macer> blah
Aug 15 16:57:19 <berndhs> any news on the OBS front ?
Aug 15 17:12:15 <Stskeeps> i wonder if its a good or bad sign i start to see commit messages during the weekend
Aug 15 17:19:59 <lbt> anaZ: a .co.uk at last :)
Aug 15 17:20:11 <lbt> welcome
Aug 15 17:32:41 * ali1234 sets up another two opensuse vms
Aug 15 17:42:43 <zmc> Quick question: Does Meego allow for running arbitrary X applications like Maemo did?
Aug 15 17:47:26 <sofar> if you can compile it, you can run it
Aug 15 17:47:39 <zmc> nice.  Thanks.
Aug 15 17:49:07 <zmc> Looking to jump ship, android freaky gfx subsystems and binder ipc being a pita.  Maemo looked really good, I'm kinda sad it was canned in favor of meego.
Aug 15 17:56:56 * CosmoHill  blinks cos Windows is installing SQL Server CE
Aug 15 17:59:14 <CosmoHill> wow that's cynical
Aug 15 17:59:22 <CosmoHill> "We're installing your programs"
Aug 15 17:59:41 <timeless> how is that cynical?
Aug 15 18:00:17 <CosmoHill> maybe it's just my internal voice is saying it in a cynical way
Aug 15 18:00:34 <CosmoHill> we're installing your programs and thdere is nothing you can do! mwhahaha
Aug 15 18:34:02 <Phazorx> CosmoHill: have you ever tried to install msoffice
Aug 15 18:34:07 <Phazorx> like recent editions 2001+
Aug 15 18:34:56 <Phazorx> there i a great stage during an instalation process which i laughed pretty hard when i saw: "removing unneeded software installed during the installation of the MS Office"
Aug 15 18:43:18 <CosmoHill> hehe
Aug 15 19:18:02 <vgrade> zmc, welcome
Aug 15 20:04:32 <thopiekar> could be someone so kind and create images for me with emgd driver in it? I really would need it! But I can't create them on my own :/ Using Ubuntu Maverick here and also tried it in a vm with fedora 13 in it :(
Aug 15 20:05:04 <thopiekar> the iso images hosted in a torrent doesn't work for me..
Aug 15 20:06:06 <thopiekar> the hole thing fails when booting meego the first time.. it says: Inital menu has no LABEL entries!
Aug 15 20:06:09 <thopiekar> vgrade: ^
Aug 15 20:09:52 <thopiekar> s/hole/whole :P
Aug 15 20:13:02 <vgrade> thopiekar, what version on ioslinux are you running?
Aug 15 20:13:39 <thopiekar> ioslinux?, vgrade
Aug 15 20:13:49 <vgrade> sorry isolinux
Aug 15 20:14:15 <vgrade> what netbook are you running?
Aug 15 20:14:25 <thopiekar> AsusT91
Aug 15 20:14:53 <thopiekar> I know what isolinux is, but where can I check the isolinux version?
Aug 15 20:17:07 <vgrade> ASUS t91, Amyako reports that this is a supported netbook and he created the ISO's
Aug 15 20:17:11 <madko> hi, How to add users in meego?
Aug 15 20:17:41 <vgrade> do you get to the same point with your image as you do with the torrent images?
Aug 15 20:19:44 <thopiekar> I downloaded the iso's  and dd'd them on a stick
Aug 15 20:20:05 <thopiekar> installed meego but it can't boot the first time..
Aug 15 20:20:09 <thopiekar> vgrade: ^
Aug 15 20:20:39 <madko> and how to reboot?
Aug 15 20:21:00 <Phazorx> ctrl-alt-del
Aug 15 20:21:08 <madko> oh
Aug 15 20:21:11 <Phazorx> or #reboot
Aug 15 20:21:24 <Phazorx> or shutdown -r... basicaly any way you  normally reboot any linux
Aug 15 20:22:08 <madko> on linux when i click the power button I have the choice to shutdown, or reboot
Aug 15 20:22:54 <madko> but the ctrl+alt+del is fine
Aug 15 20:23:01 <Phazorx> and if you mouse dies i guess your linux will be running forever then...
Aug 15 20:23:22 <madko> power button on my pc
Aug 15 20:24:02 <madko> any idea on how to deal with multi users in meego? should I need to install gdm?
Aug 15 20:24:35 <Phazorx> i doubt they got rid of useradd/adduser scripts
Aug 15 20:24:44 <Phazorx> so these should work fine
Aug 15 20:25:52 <madko> and any applet to switch users?
Aug 15 20:28:04 <madko> there is a bug in anaconda when configuring the bootloader
Aug 15 20:30:40 <madko> do you known why it's extlinux and not grub?
Aug 15 20:30:55 <Phazorx> they like it more
Aug 15 20:32:17 <madko> but anaconda doesnt like it
Aug 15 20:40:08 <lbt> X-Fade: ping
Aug 15 20:41:04 <madko> yum can't find google-chrome package on any mirror, is that normal?
Aug 15 20:41:25 <ali1234> madko: probably licensing issues
Aug 15 20:41:39 <lbt> X-Fade: do you have details of the security call tomorrow?
Aug 15 20:42:01 <thiago_home> madko: it's normal
Aug 15 20:42:04 <thiago_home> madko: install chromium
Aug 15 20:44:14 <madko> ok, thank you thiago_home I'll try that
Aug 15 20:45:43 <madko> that won't break anything if I remove the google-chrome package?
Aug 15 21:38:27 <thopiekar> how is the path called to the meego installer?
Aug 15 21:39:02 <Cosmo[PB]> care to reword that into something I can understand?
Aug 15 21:39:32 <Cosmo[PB]> do you want to go from the live image to the installer?
Aug 15 21:53:04 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Aug 15 21:56:05 <Cosmo[PB]> bye trem
Aug 15 22:02:20 <niadh> I am trying to package vlc for meego but I have an error about a file not being able to be installed in a directory not ending with /usr/local/lib/ what does this mean?
Aug 15 22:04:14 <sofar> either /usr/local is entirely missing, not writeable by you (user meego) or something else
Aug 15 22:04:37 <Cosmo[PB]> ls /usr/local
Aug 15 22:05:13 <niadh> its present and am root, i suspect my vlc.spec file may be at fault
Aug 15 22:05:32 <Cosmo[PB]> did you make vlc.spec?
Aug 15 22:05:38 <sofar> ah
Aug 15 22:05:51 <sofar> you're not allowed to make rpm's that install in /usr/local by rule
Aug 15 22:06:03 <sofar> if you're packaging vlc, make it install under /usr
Aug 15 22:06:20 <Cosmo[PB]> if anything goes wrong you can rpm -e
Aug 15 22:06:52 <niadh> The spec file prefix is /usr not /usr/local
Aug 15 22:07:11 <Cosmo[PB]> did you make VLC yourself?
Aug 15 22:07:28 <niadh> Just compiled it myself using the rpm build process
Aug 15 22:07:42 <niadh> it compiled but bailed at %install
Aug 15 22:07:54 <Cosmo[PB]> can I see it?
Aug 15 22:08:05 <niadh> Sure, just the spec file?
Aug 15 22:08:10 <Cosmo[PB]> yeah
Aug 15 22:08:18 <niadh> Sure
Aug 15 22:08:21 <sofar> pastebot it?
Aug 15 22:08:28 <Cosmo[PB]> pastebin?
Aug 15 22:10:13 <niadh> pastebin.ca/1917680
Aug 15 22:10:41 <niadh> I know theres nothing in the files section, until it builds correctly the first time i dont know what files to add to that section
Aug 15 22:10:47 <Cosmo[PB]> I see
Aug 15 22:10:56 <Cosmo[PB]> ./configure --prefix=/usr
Aug 15 22:11:17 <Cosmo[PB]> make install DESTDIR=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
Aug 15 22:11:29 <niadh> Thought thats what the %prefix value was for
Aug 15 22:11:30 <niadh> ?
Aug 15 22:11:46 <Cosmo[PB]> hmm
Aug 15 22:11:50 <Cosmo[PB]> I missed that
Aug 15 22:12:04 <Cosmo[PB]> don't you have to use it tho?
Aug 15 22:12:16 <Cosmo[PB]> ./configure --prefix=%{prefix} ?
Aug 15 22:12:31 <niadh> No idea, I have hacked only three packages together in a trial and error manner
Aug 15 22:12:38 <niadh> I may be well wrond
Aug 15 22:12:41 <niadh> worng*
Aug 15 22:12:45 <Cosmo[PB]> hehe
Aug 15 22:13:24 <niadh> Will try your suggestion, see if it works
Aug 15 22:13:52 <Cosmo[PB]> I think "prefix" might only be used if you use %configure
Aug 15 22:14:07 <sofar> there's no need to %define name first
Aug 15 22:14:16 <sofar> just do `Name: vlc`
Aug 15 22:14:27 <sofar> macros
Aug 15 22:14:33 <sofar> same for the other macros
Aug 15 22:15:13 <Cosmo[PB]> night night
Aug 15 22:16:23 <niadh> sofar: I dont fully understand, can you explain further
Aug 15 22:16:49 <sofar> don't make %define lines
Aug 15 22:17:01 <sofar> just write lines like: "Name : vlc"
Aug 15 22:17:09 <niadh> Ok, why?
Aug 15 22:17:20 <sofar> rpm internally will make the %defines for you
Aug 15 22:17:24 <niadh> Cool
Aug 15 22:18:01 <niadh> I was just using part of a hello world spec file so mine will be rather basic atm
Aug 15 22:50:15 <zeenix> hi
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