**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 16 02:59:56 2010
Aug 16 04:08:03 <ngocketit> hello
Aug 16 04:09:10 <ngocketit> any of you know about current status of Web Runtime framework in Meego?
Aug 16 04:09:22 <ngocketit> I mean when will it be available?
Aug 16 04:55:30 <sofar> ngocketit: ask again tomorrow, and I'll see if there's a timeline planned
Aug 16 04:55:53 <ngocketit> @sofar: thanks
Aug 16 05:53:19 <slithytove2006> is htere a way to require a password at login on a netbook installation?
Aug 16 06:37:16 <Trollkarlen> I am having some trouble creating a armv7el handset image on a ubuntu 9.10 system, i get this error: No such file or directory: 'meego/handset/.mic2-cli601.mic2pipe'
Aug 16 06:38:01 <Trollkarlen> Im using a --bootstrap env if that helps.
Aug 16 06:59:21 <timoph> o/
Aug 16 07:50:12 <Trollkarlen> ll
Aug 16 09:18:41 <daubers> Hey all, I'm trying to get meego to boot on my n900 off a micro-ssd, and it doesn't seem to load. The kernel penguin icon appears briefly, then disappears then it goes to the standard nokia screen then switches off...
Aug 16 09:20:56 <daubers> How do I diagnose this issue?
Aug 16 10:19:55 <fcrozat> hi all. just wondering : is 1.0.2 for netbook released or not ? I'm not seeing a 1.0.2 directory at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/
Aug 16 10:26:06 <Trollkarlen> I am having some trouble creating a armv7el handset image on a ubuntu 9.10 system, first of all the mic-image-creator script it self is not installed in the bootstrap env.
Aug 16 10:27:03 <Trollkarlen> If i fix that then the pipe cant be read inside the bootstrap env. error: No such file or directory: 'meego/handset/.mic2-cli601.mic2pipe'
Aug 16 10:27:17 <Trollkarlen> Is it suposed to work ?
Aug 16 10:32:30 <slaine> fcrozat: it's an incremental rollup of bug fixes
Aug 16 10:33:29 <slaine> i.e. install and then upgrade
Aug 16 11:10:44 <fcrozat> slaine: expect the packages aren't on the repo ;)
Aug 16 11:10:46 <fcrozat> or I'm blind
Aug 16 11:11:06 <CosmoHill> fcrozat: use "find" instead of looking
Aug 16 11:11:24 <slaine> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.0/netbook/repos/ia32/packages/
Aug 16 11:11:24 <CosmoHill> if it goes "phrase not found" then it's missing :(
Aug 16 11:11:27 <CosmoHill> :) *
Aug 16 11:12:44 <fcrozat> hmm, ok, I thought it was handled the same way as 1.0.1
Aug 16 11:18:20 <wao> w/ 33
Aug 16 11:46:32 <Trollkarlen> What package manager will be used yum or zypper ?
Aug 16 11:47:21 <CosmoHill> zypper
Aug 16 11:48:22 <Trollkarlen> Nice, are all the issues solved that reverted to yum ?
Aug 16 11:49:09 <CosmoHill> I don;t know what the issues were
Aug 16 11:49:24 <CosmoHill> i think someone said it was better in some ways and worse in others
Aug 16 12:25:51 <MarcosFabio> hi there, is anyone running fullscreen Qt applications in MeeGo?
Aug 16 12:33:05 <A\b1`> hi all
Aug 16 12:33:16 <CosmoHill> hi
Aug 16 12:44:29 <killeus> hi all
Aug 16 12:44:45 <CosmoHill> hello
Aug 16 12:45:03 <killeus> anybody knows how to set an application to be fullscreen on meego?
Aug 16 12:45:25 <killeus> i tested with showFullscreen on Qt but it doesn't works
Aug 16 12:45:28 <CosmoHill> double click on the top part of the window?
Aug 16 12:45:56 <killeus> and how to do it programatically?
Aug 16 12:46:10 <CosmoHill> ask lcuk :)
Aug 16 12:46:19 * CosmoHill runs away before lcuk knows what happening
Aug 16 12:49:41 <lcuk> oi CosmoHill !! I saw that
Aug 16 12:50:13 <lcuk> and actually, I don't know off hand, killeus meego handset or meego netbook?
Aug 16 12:52:33 <lcuk> lbt, he had tried here first
Aug 16 12:53:11 <CosmoHill> I'm off to uni, cyas
Aug 16 12:54:08 <killeus> lcuk: handset
Aug 16 12:54:15 <killeus> lcuk: on n900
Aug 16 13:01:03 <robotnO> Canplease someone tell me when you got the last update of meego??
Aug 16 13:08:40 <robotnO> And another question.. Is someone here having problem with Empathy crashing alot and logging out with MSN accounts??
Aug 16 13:09:16 <robotnO> This is something that worked flawlessly for me with Moblin
Aug 16 13:46:06 <CosmoHill> hola
Aug 16 13:46:24 <CosmoHill> I go to get a drink and when I come back I find someone's come into my room (at uni) :o
Aug 16 13:47:03 <andre__> lockers can help.
Aug 16 13:47:45 <CosmoHill> it's a computer lab
Aug 16 13:48:24 <DuckBoot> CosmoHill: Tripwire...
Aug 16 13:48:47 <CosmoHill> he says he can't print in A so he's come into B (my room)
Aug 16 13:48:57 <CosmoHill> if that's true I'm going to be flooded :o
Aug 16 13:49:57 <lcuk> CosmoHill, put a warning sign on the door "room flooded, printers in section D (or any room on other side of campus)
Aug 16 13:51:14 <CosmoHill> that would be so funny
Aug 16 13:51:22 <CosmoHill> cos D is the office of education ^.^
Aug 16 13:51:57 <CosmoHill> lcuk: oo better idea, a room on the other side of the OTHER campus :D
Aug 16 13:52:14 <CosmoHill> "please use RAM 201, Cambridge"
Aug 16 13:52:33 <lcuk> tell them to hold laptop up to the photocopier to print anything out
Aug 16 13:53:48 <CosmoHill> and out a USB cable on the side to see how many of them are smart
Aug 16 14:00:24 <CosmoHill> ah there's another one
Aug 16 14:00:35 <CosmoHill> once they're both gone I'm locking the door
Aug 16 14:10:44 * alt096 hi
Aug 16 14:15:18 <CosmoHill> hey alt
Aug 16 14:15:50 <Alt096> :)
Aug 16 14:17:45 <CosmoHill> I have to many nice on my desk
Aug 16 14:33:13 <CosmoHill> hey tekojo
Aug 16 14:33:26 <tekojo> hello!
Aug 16 14:33:44 * tekojo is just popping by before food
Aug 16 14:34:23 <CosmoHill> food!
Aug 16 14:34:28 <CosmoHill> I'm being distracted
Aug 16 14:34:49 <tekojo> CosmoHill: never get distracted from food!
Aug 16 15:01:03 <CosmoHill> tekoholic: I'm in a lab with my friends
Aug 16 15:56:04 <CosmoHill> it's funny watching students shit themselfs
Aug 16 15:56:27 <CosmoHill> in 5 min time they will have either handed in their assignments or fail
Aug 16 15:56:59 <CosmoHill> Uni is very strict, if the deadline is 5pm and you hand it in a 5:05pm you fail
Aug 16 15:57:47 <timeless> good lesson
Aug 16 16:00:47 <ScottishDuck> Yeah at Uni you're either punctual or failing
Aug 16 16:03:06 <achipa> heh, reminds me of my old competition coding days... autosubmit results 5 minutes before deadline if I have not done so (and pray for synched clocks and no network errors :)
Aug 16 16:03:31 <CosmoHill> my switch is making very bad sounds :s
Aug 16 16:08:54 <CosmoHill> this switch this so gonna die soon >.<
Aug 16 17:22:58 <lbt> I can't find hotel info on the meego conference site
Aug 16 17:23:59 <GAN900> lbt, they're filtering for your IPs.
Aug 16 17:24:37 <Stskeeps> lbt: hmm?
Aug 16 17:24:52 <Stskeeps> right hand side, hotels
Aug 16 17:24:53 <Stskeeps> :)
Aug 16 17:26:35 <lbt> Stskeeps: yeah.. I found the booking... need the prices
Aug 16 17:26:51 <lbt> "our amazing rates"
Aug 16 17:30:58 <lbt> I have no idea who put "delegates should use MS Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher" to complete the MeeGo conference booking form...
Aug 16 17:35:18 <lcuk> lbt, does IE5 still exist on the planet? I was under the impression it self combusted a while ago
Aug 16 17:35:41 <lbt> yesh...
Aug 16 17:35:49 <CosmoHill> IE for Mac was killed in 2005
Aug 16 17:36:09 <CosmoHill> i know this cos the factor image for my mac doesn't have IE5 but the restore disc does
Aug 16 17:37:08 <GAN900> CosmoHill, old Mac.
Aug 16 17:37:46 <CosmoHill> GAN900: I'm typing on it now ^.^
Aug 16 17:40:13 <auke> hmm
Aug 16 17:40:25 <auke> someone asked this weekend about something, and I told them to re-ask it
Aug 16 17:40:29 * auke can't remember
Aug 16 17:40:50 <Stskeeps> auke, you also messaged me and i don't think you told me what it was about :)
Aug 16 17:41:00 <auke> Stskeeps: I got that part resolved
Aug 16 17:41:06 <Stskeeps> k
Aug 16 17:41:14 <CosmoHill> auke: so you have the "who" but not the "what"?
Aug 16 17:42:11 <auke> I think it was about the web runtime kit or something schedule
Aug 16 17:42:27 <Stskeeps> ah
Aug 16 17:43:37 <Stskeeps> any word on sreadahead patch or is it easiest if i submit a patch to the packaging instead?
Aug 16 17:54:53 <CosmoHill> I think I've turned into a lecturer
Aug 16 17:55:10 <CosmoHill> I'm looking at a first year student's code going "that's wrong, that's wrong, that doesn't even make sense" etc
Aug 16 17:56:13 <lcuk> welcome to the world of professional code review :P
Aug 16 17:56:39 <CosmoHill> yay
Aug 16 17:56:48 <andrewfblack> What is up with the Meego Conference being Mon, Tues, and Wednesday?
Aug 16 17:56:50 <CosmoHill> now if only I could pronouce his name
Aug 16 17:57:14 <CosmoHill> andrewfblack: you tell your employer it's mon - fri and have a nice break
Aug 16 17:57:24 <lcuk> CosmoHill, http://www.osnews.com/story/19266/WTFs_m
Aug 16 17:57:44 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: It's a professional conference, intended to attract commercial vendors, h/w OEMs and networks, apparently
Aug 16 17:57:47 <CosmoHill> lcuk: I may have help him with his assignment
Aug 16 17:57:51 <CosmoHill> or helped him miss the deadline
Aug 16 17:57:53 <CosmoHill> I'm not sure
Aug 16 17:58:02 <lcuk> CosmoHill, if members of your team are going to be around on the thu/fri it would actually make sense to stick around :P
Aug 16 17:58:03 <andrewfblack> This stops anyone who is out of vacation from going.  I get 3 weeks a year but I have to set my Vacation by end of Feb.
Aug 16 17:58:10 <CosmoHill> lcuk: hahah
Aug 16 17:58:15 * Jaffa suggests we ignore that, get pissed and hack the place up.
Aug 16 17:58:20 <andrewfblack> Jaffa: so I take it devs aren't wanted to go them
Aug 16 17:58:43 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: Hobbyist devs didn't seem to be the primary motivation, no :-/
Aug 16 17:59:00 <lcuk> Jaffa, you do recall where the conf is this time.  getting drunk is a profession over there - theres lots of practice been done :P
Aug 16 17:59:34 <CosmoHill> hmm
Aug 16 17:59:36 <andrewfblack> Well I just unsigned up
Aug 16 17:59:39 <Jaffa> lcuk: Yeah, but I've never like Guinness. Murphy's is OK, but I prefer a proper ale
Aug 16 17:59:42 <Jaffa> Or wine
Aug 16 17:59:44 <Jaffa> Or um
Aug 16 17:59:51 <CosmoHill> case zero is "break" which exits the while loop which exits on zero anyway
Aug 16 17:59:53 <Jaffa>   ^r
Aug 16 18:00:12 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: :-(
Aug 16 18:03:37 * CosmoHill prints out the wtf/min comic
Aug 16 18:04:44 <CosmoHill> oh great, I have a email entitled "Female Participants Wanted" -.-
Aug 16 18:05:01 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: uhm, that is really not the intention of the cfp. it's really inclusive.
Aug 16 18:05:53 <Stskeeps> would you invite l10n people to a suit and tie conference? :P
Aug 16 18:07:47 <CosmoHill> lcuk: I've just noticed this C code is named "accigment 2.cpp"
Aug 16 18:08:18 <CosmoHill> Having just said that I couldn't spell "assignment" in my first year >.>
Aug 16 18:08:41 <Stskeeps> try writing about rehabiliation in your master's thesis and 'exersise' being one of your error-words
Aug 16 18:12:18 <auke> CosmoHill: lol, and with a space too in the filename
Aug 16 18:12:26 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I'n not talking about the CfP. The dates, being a weekday, were mentioned as being more attractive to professionals, rather than hobbyists.
Aug 16 18:13:22 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: and maemo summit was thursday to sunday
Aug 16 18:14:01 <andrewfblack> thursday to sunday wasn't as bad because you could go to a few days if you could only go weekends.
Aug 16 18:14:16 <Stskeeps> yeah, but people also travel home sunday..
Aug 16 18:15:06 <Stskeeps> which leaves very little time for actual presentations
Aug 16 19:05:27 <lbt> X-Fade: there seems to be intermittent nw connectivty issues to downloads.obs.maemo.org
Aug 16 19:07:24 <vgrade> Hi X-Fade
Aug 16 19:07:29 <TSCHAKeee> hmm, who said Nokia's last Fremantle update will be PR1.3 ?
Aug 16 19:11:43 <vgrade> lbt, obs network issues, http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-08-13.log.html#t2010-08-13T17:18:46
Aug 16 19:12:02 <lbt> I see the lighttpd got restarted
Aug 16 19:13:05 <lbt> why do I run ldap and kerberos locally?
Aug 16 19:13:11 <vgrade> lbt, as usual there were a coupe of issues, first we could not see download... which X-Fade fixed then we had the issue with connections dropping
Aug 16 19:13:12 <Stskeeps> lbt: because you're a ldap fan?
Aug 16 19:13:18 <lbt> it seemed like a good idea at the time
Aug 16 19:13:30 <lbt> "You don't exist, go away!"
Aug 16 19:14:35 <lbt> vgrade: yes...
Aug 16 19:15:16 <lbt> this looks like nw issues though... I think I need to let X-fade handle this...
Aug 16 19:17:13 <lbt> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2009/4/19/5515864
Aug 16 19:17:23 <lbt> wrt "unexpectedly shrunk window"
Aug 16 19:17:32 <lbt> which I thought I knew
Aug 16 19:19:03 <auke> wow kerneltrap.org is still alive?
Aug 16 19:19:25 <lbt> google finds stuff there from time to time :)
Aug 16 19:29:52 <CosmoHill> auke: hehe yeah (sorry for delay)
Aug 16 20:24:42 <madko> hi guys, can't switch between zones anymore since meego 1.1, is that a known bug?
Aug 16 20:24:51 <madko> I mean with alt+tab
Aug 16 20:30:32 <CosmoHill> madko: check on bugzilla
Aug 16 20:30:55 <madko> ok I'm opening a new bug
Aug 16 20:31:09 <CosmoHill> i mean check there first
Aug 16 20:31:14 <CosmoHill> if there isn't one then make a new one :)
Aug 16 20:36:01 <madko> done
Aug 16 20:36:31 <CosmoHill> cool
Aug 16 20:36:40 <madko> my third report
Aug 16 20:36:50 <madko> meego is so cool I want it perfect
Aug 16 20:37:20 * CosmoHill puts that quote on the front page
Aug 16 20:37:30 <madko> hehe
Aug 16 20:37:37 <trem> and we could see meego on N900 a day ?
Aug 16 20:38:09 <madko> is there a way to reduce the height of the title bar of windows?
Aug 16 20:39:28 <CosmoHill> I typed in "meego n900" and yahoo is giving me Nokia N8
Aug 16 20:41:01 <ScottishDuck> I think it's telling you something
Aug 16 20:41:03 <ScottishDuck> also
Aug 16 20:41:08 <ScottishDuck> your using yahoo?
Aug 16 20:41:11 <CosmoHill> yes
Aug 16 20:42:35 <jani> the daily wtf
Aug 16 20:42:48 <CosmoHill> jani: you mean "life"?
Aug 16 20:43:10 <CosmoHill> it's daily and it\s wtf
Aug 16 20:44:06 <simulacrum> ICS Network - An Introduction to Meego -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY-HHfYeukk
Aug 16 20:44:30 <tripzero> madko, no you can't reduce the height of the title bar, but apps can make it go away
Aug 16 20:44:41 <tripzero> disappear/reappear type thing
Aug 16 20:44:56 <ali1234> you can reduce the height by making the font smaller
Aug 16 20:45:14 <ScottishDuck> so how are you folks feeling about the beta deadline
Aug 16 20:45:26 <ScottishDuck> or is it looking like being delayed
Aug 16 20:46:22 <jani> no, the yahoo =)
Aug 16 21:32:34 <tripzero> lbt,
Aug 16 21:32:58 * lbt just looked at the costs for the conference... I can fly *AND* stay 3 days in the D4 Berkely for £150... or I can book on the conference site and pay €315 for just the accomodation.... mmm
Aug 16 21:33:21 <lbt> tripzero,
Aug 16 21:33:41 <tripzero> lbt, so why cna't the obs build anything?
Aug 16 21:33:57 <lbt> tubes are full of gunk
Aug 16 21:34:03 <tripzero> ew
Aug 16 21:34:08 <tripzero> need plumbers
Aug 16 21:34:16 <CosmoHill> lbt: lol
Aug 16 21:46:53 <jani> maaario to the rescue
Aug 16 22:12:34 <killeus> anybody knows how to make a qt application on fullscreen mode?
Aug 16 22:12:52 <killeus> i tried with showFullscreen but it doesn't work
Aug 16 22:14:49 <tripzero> killeus, try #qt
Aug 16 22:15:31 <TSCHAKeee>  /join #linuxmce-private
Aug 16 22:15:37 <killeus> i've already did it in other platforms. I thik that it is not a qt problem
Aug 16 22:15:50 <killeus> the same code works on maemo
Aug 16 22:15:55 <killeus> and linux desktop
Aug 16 22:16:30 <killeus> tripzero: have you ever did a fullscreen application on meego?
Aug 16 22:20:38 <tripzero> killeus, meego? handset? netbook?
Aug 16 22:20:57 <tripzero> sorry, meego is slightly ambiguous
Aug 16 22:21:02 <killeus> tripzero: meego handset running on a n900
Aug 16 22:21:09 <killeus> tripzero: i know :D
Aug 16 22:21:10 <tripzero> ahh
Aug 16 22:21:17 <tripzero> is this pure qt or meegotouch?
Aug 16 22:21:24 <killeus> pure qt
Aug 16 22:21:32 <tripzero> hmm
Aug 16 22:21:44 <tripzero> running with -style meegotouch?
Aug 16 22:22:39 <csd> Hi - I'm looking for the gnome-screensaver arm rpm, and it repo.meego.com seems to only have it under netbook/i586
Aug 16 22:22:42 <killeus> let me try
Aug 16 22:23:24 <csd> anyone know where it is?
Aug 16 22:24:09 <tripzero> csd, why do you want the gnome-screensaver for arm?
Aug 16 22:24:14 <tripzero> handset doesn't use any gnome stuff
Aug 16 22:28:19 <csd> tripzero, I'm building an image by hand and when I start X+mutter, I get the following on .xsession-errors
Aug 16 22:28:22 <csd> sh: /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver: No such file or directory
Aug 16 22:29:01 <tripzero> oh, you are trying netbook on arm...
Aug 16 22:31:09 <csd> well. my ks file is badly mangled by now, but what tells it that I'm trying netbook? I was trying to get uxlaunch to work - isn't that also used for handsets?
Aug 16 22:32:52 <tripzero> yes, uxlaunch is used for handsets, but using a different configuration
Aug 16 22:36:15 <csd> okay, so I guess I got my config wrong then - I'll take a look at what's wrong. So handset isn't supposed to use mutter?
Aug 16 22:37:29 <killeus> tripzero: i still have the main top bar
Aug 16 22:37:42 <killeus> tripzero: that one with the clock
Aug 16 22:37:47 <tripzero> killeus, hmm. oh
Aug 16 22:37:53 <tripzero> the system-ui bar?
Aug 16 22:37:59 <tripzero> i don't think you can make that go away
Aug 16 22:38:28 <killeus> yeah.. the system-ui
Aug 16 22:38:29 <tripzero> check qtconfig see if there are other styles available
Aug 16 22:38:42 <tripzero> like a default qt style
Aug 16 22:38:48 <killeus> hum.. may be
Aug 16 22:38:56 <tripzero> of course, that will likely make your app look like crap...
Aug 16 22:40:09 <killeus> tripzero: i know
Aug 16 22:40:14 <kaitlin_> tripzero: If you don't want the systemui-bar, you can remove the meegotouch-systemui.desktop from /etc/xdg/autostart.  Then uxlaunch wouldn't start it on boot.
Aug 16 22:40:34 <killeus> qtconfig => segmentation fault
Aug 16 22:40:55 <tripzero> ew
Aug 16 22:41:24 <tripzero> kaitlin_, i think he wants it, just not in his full-screen qt-app
Aug 16 22:41:42 <tripzero> and i think the qt style is making it so all qt apps have the sysui bar
Aug 16 22:42:04 <tripzero> killeus, that may be a bug
Aug 16 22:42:20 <kaitlin_> Ah, hmm.. I missed that.
Aug 16 22:44:20 <killeus> tripzero, kaitlin_: thanks anyway.. i have to go now
Aug 16 22:44:26 <killeus> bye
Aug 16 22:58:03 <ColdSun> hello
Aug 16 23:08:58 <CosmoHill> either you're 17 or you're clone #17
Aug 16 23:09:45 <ColdSun> ?
Aug 16 23:09:53 <ColdSun> oh
Aug 16 23:09:57 <CosmoHill> ^.^
Aug 16 23:10:00 <ColdSun> :)
Aug 16 23:11:01 <b-man`> lol
Aug 16 23:11:04 <b-man`> well
Aug 16 23:11:13 <b-man`> b-man17 is my registered nick
Aug 16 23:11:23 <b-man`> but i prefer b-man
Aug 16 23:11:40 <CosmoHill> you have a `
Aug 16 23:11:41 <b-man`> and i am 17 xD
Aug 16 23:11:44 <CosmoHill> yay
Aug 16 23:12:17 <CosmoHill> it was either that or 93
Aug 16 23:12:39 <b-man`> 92 ;)
Aug 16 23:13:22 <auke> I'm not changing my nick to auke37, that would be ambiguous :)
Aug 16 23:13:47 <CosmoHill> I thought you were younger
Aug 16 23:15:05 <b-man`> CosmoHill: turn 18 in october ;)
Aug 16 23:15:13 <CosmoHill> yay
Aug 16 23:15:27 <CosmoHill> I turned 18 in March
Aug 16 23:15:38 <CosmoHill> 2007 >.>
Aug 16 23:15:56 <berndhs> I've been 29 for so long, i don't even remember
Aug 16 23:16:02 <b-man`> lol
Aug 16 23:16:04 <CosmoHill> lol
Aug 16 23:18:44 <ColdSun> i was wondering if there is any info on skinning meego?
Aug 16 23:19:08 <CosmoHill> step 1. sharpen knife
Aug 16 23:19:52 <Jaffa> ColdSun: Which UX? :-/
Aug 16 23:20:13 <Jaffa> That's question #1 today. In a few months time, it'll be "which MeeGo?" :-/
Aug 16 23:21:45 <ali1234> surely the question would be "which device?"
Aug 16 23:21:58 <berndhs> how is the community OBS doing? taking non-maemo people now ?
Aug 16 23:22:43 <ali1234> berndhs: i'm making progress on setting up my own OBS if that helps
Aug 16 23:23:07 <ali1234> i've only been at it for 4 days, i think i might be able to actually build a package in the next couple of days :)
Aug 16 23:23:22 <berndhs> can i help with that?
Aug 16 23:23:27 <ColdSun> device would be a netbook
Aug 16 23:23:38 <ColdSun> im new to meego, so what does UX mean?\
Aug 16 23:23:57 <ali1234> ColdSun: UX means netbook, handset, or in-vehicle
Aug 16 23:24:04 <CosmoHill> User Experience
Aug 16 23:24:11 <berndhs> ali1234 I got a suse obs, but can't really run it as a service here
Aug 16 23:24:50 <ali1234> ColdSun: when people actually start releasing devices with customized front ends, the question is going to become "which device?" but at the moment it means the same thing
Aug 16 23:25:14 <ali1234> berndhs: i'm just running the OBS appliance in a VM
Aug 16 23:25:34 <ali1234> berndhs: i got as far as linking to the openSUSE OBS, now i need to bootstrap the meego toolchain against that
Aug 16 23:26:00 <ali1234> in theory all i have to do now is figure out how to load up the srpms
Aug 16 23:26:21 <berndhs> ali1234: hmm, then run workers as a xen vm inside the vm ?
Aug 16 23:26:30 <ali1234> no, just run them in chroot
Aug 16 23:26:39 <ali1234> i'm only interested in building for the arch running the server
Aug 16 23:26:42 <ColdSun> i would like to make a skin for meego
Aug 16 23:26:59 <berndhs> that will work on e.g. a fedora system ?
Aug 16 23:27:18 <ali1234> berndhs: what do you mean?
Aug 16 23:27:31 <berndhs> run the server appliance inside an opensuse vm, and the workeds on the fedora host
Aug 16 23:27:37 <ali1234> berndhs: OBS appliance is a full distro with OBS already set up
Aug 16 23:27:49 <berndhs> yes i know i have on
Aug 16 23:27:50 <ali1234> i'm running it in virtual box on ubuntu host, not that it makes any difference
Aug 16 23:28:05 <ali1234> i'm running everything in the one VM
Aug 16 23:28:07 <berndhs> so i can just run that in a virtualbox vm
Aug 16 23:28:22 <berndhs> i should try that
Aug 16 23:28:25 <ColdSun> last newbie question i promise:  can the icons along the top of the latest interface be changed?
Aug 16 23:28:39 <ali1234> berndhs: i'm keeping notes: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Ali1234
Aug 16 23:28:59 <berndhs> ok i'll check that out, thanks
Aug 16 23:29:02 <ali1234> no guarantee i'm doing it right though
Aug 16 23:29:09 <berndhs> of course :)
Aug 16 23:30:05 <berndhs> i can make rpms, but my meego machine isn't pristine, has non-standard stuff installed
Aug 16 23:30:51 <ali1234> i tried before the build rpms in a normal meego chroot but too many of them failed
Aug 16 23:31:00 <ali1234> s/the/to/
Aug 16 23:31:00 <infobot> ali1234 meant: i tried before to build rpms in a normal meego chroot but too many of them failed
Aug 16 23:31:42 <berndhs> i guess i should make a meego vm in virtualbox to test my rpms
Aug 16 23:32:16 <CosmoHill> berndhs: core or GUI?
Aug 16 23:32:26 <berndhs> gui applications
Aug 16 23:32:27 <ali1234> the only machine i have that can run meego is an atom, so no VX
Aug 16 23:32:30 <CosmoHill> then no
Aug 16 23:32:40 <CosmoHill> meego requires 3D support
Aug 16 23:33:04 <ali1234> virtualbox has 3d support now, if you can make it work
Aug 16 23:33:11 <berndhs> ah yes, my ssse3 machine with native intel as a host would be hidden
Aug 16 23:33:31 <CosmoHill> you can try but I don't think it's up to it
Aug 16 23:33:51 <ali1234> i need to recompile everything without ssse3 before i even get to that point
Aug 16 23:33:55 <berndhs> it makes sense, unfortunately
Aug 16 23:34:17 <ali1234> so, first step, recompile meego toolchain against openSUSE repos to make a new build target for everything else
Aug 16 23:34:42 <CosmoHill> ali1234: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/nonSSSE3
Aug 16 23:34:52 <CosmoHill> oh wait you're already on there
Aug 16 23:34:53 <ali1234> CosmoHill: yeah i know, my nick is on that page under yours :)
Aug 16 23:37:10 <berndhs> looking at none of the details, that will take me, oh, 3 weeks if i'm good ?
Aug 16 23:39:07 <ali1234> vgrade: i didn't test that objdump line on an actual ssse3 binary btw, cos i didn't have one handy... can you (or anyone else) confirm it works?
Aug 16 23:39:33 <ali1234> (i tested it my grepping for standard x86 instructions, then substituting the ssse3 ones)
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