**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 11 02:59:57 2010 Sep 11 03:25:58 hello, is it possible to skip the firstboot script in meego? Sep 11 07:20:24 hey. just wondering, latest meego image meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.90.1.20100907.1.img doesn't include yum, is it going to be dropped? Sep 11 07:21:19 think zypper is the one to be used Sep 11 07:22:26 right, it's still required for mic2 though, I installed it with zypper install yum, but I can't use yum to install anything :/ only zypper works Sep 11 07:22:51 file a bug Sep 11 07:23:30 against? mic2 or yum for not working after installation? Sep 11 07:23:48 start with mic2 Sep 11 07:24:31 okay Sep 11 07:29:53 yes that's a bug, mic2 should work with zypper Sep 11 07:30:06 and yes, yum will be dropped from images from now on Sep 11 07:35:46 does zypper have a python api? Sep 11 07:38:10 hehe mic-check-alldeps uses yum to install yum if its not installed :P Sep 11 07:39:24 well, until recently, mic-check-alldeps refused to accept meego as a target distribution Sep 11 07:40:59 morning Sep 11 07:41:06 morn Sep 11 07:41:21 I read a mail from arjan I think that said mic2 should work on meego too Sep 11 07:42:07 yeah Sep 11 07:42:11 well naturally it should Sep 11 07:42:11 :P Sep 11 07:43:12 dang, now I remember, that mail thread had some bugs too Sep 11 07:43:14 * bef0rd checks Sep 11 08:22:19 * lbt waves Sep 11 08:22:53 morn lbt Sep 11 08:23:00 good morning Sep 11 08:23:22 hoping to get ldap running today Sep 11 08:23:33 keep an eye out for mrshaver too Sep 11 08:56:22 hmm; if you think I'm a bot now cos I don't sleep, just wait until assaignment deadline week ^.^ Sep 11 08:58:09 working on porting guide or lunch.. hmmm. Sep 11 08:58:17 work work :P Sep 11 08:58:23 kidding Sep 11 08:59:44 I am trying to compile something but it requires g++, it doesn't seem to be available on meego repo :/ where should I get it from? Sep 11 09:00:27 sure it doesn't come when installing gcc? Sep 11 09:00:28 mic2 will still use yum for fetching packages but zypper is the package management tool Sep 11 09:00:41 btw just finished building meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.90.1.20100907.1.ks on this atom netbook :), not sure if it works though :P Sep 11 09:00:41 bef0rd: g++ is there somewhere Sep 11 09:00:46 Stskeeps: no it doesn't Sep 11 09:00:51 hrm Sep 11 09:00:59 Stskeeps: 11s, porting guide then lunch Sep 11 09:01:00 * Stskeeps checks gcc package Sep 11 09:01:43 bef0rd: try gcc-c++ Sep 11 09:01:44 bef0rd: check packages list for 'sgx' Sep 11 09:01:57 bef0rd: it's that's there, you're pretty well off Sep 11 09:01:58 :P Sep 11 09:04:49 thanks fathi, that worked :) I tried zypper wp g++ and it returned nothing :P Sep 11 09:05:06 next time zypper in /usr/bin/g++ might work too Sep 11 09:07:38 hmm qt web runtime seems to fail on 64 bits Sep 11 11:06:08 meeeh. Sep 11 11:11:26 oww Sep 11 12:33:04 lbt: how difficult would it be to make a meego pre-setup OBS appliance? :P Sep 11 12:53:08 help Sep 11 12:53:25 zhxt ?? Sep 11 12:55:00 oh,sorry! I'm new to IRC. I am trying to find some help infomation from command help; but I was wrong. Sep 11 12:55:22 zhxt try /help although even then that won't help you that much. google is your best friend Sep 11 12:56:50 OK,Thank you ! I will try. Sep 11 13:02:42 ／HELP away Sep 11 13:28:46 * CosmoHill rawr! Sep 11 14:00:08 Stskeeps: not hard .... ramez has been trying .... but a local OBS setup is a real PITA for 99% of people Sep 11 14:06:37 Stskeeps, meego kernel works with u-boot? Sep 11 14:07:08 th3hate: yeah Sep 11 14:07:18 th3hate: we're planning on including u-boot support in our builds Sep 11 14:07:41 Stskeeps, it will boot it automatictly instead of flashing it everytime ? Sep 11 14:11:18 that should be fixable by creating a specific u-boot image, which has commands to boot from eg. microSD card Sep 11 14:15:18 or if the device has UART (serial port) cabability one can easily stop the boot process and enter their own commands Sep 11 14:22:52 Hi, How does one use gypsy/geoclue with a usb gps device? End goal to get navit running... Sep 11 15:05:50 hi what are the theming possibilites in meego? Sep 11 15:10:45 quite a lot Sep 11 15:28:10 hi. i was just using the disk utility app and its bleeding outside the window. i cannot resize for the lack of a resize button. is that a known bug? Sep 11 15:30:18 lo wazd Sep 11 15:33:00 glibc contains a patch with sse3 asm :/ Sep 11 15:33:30 hope it can build without Sep 11 15:38:05 is someone expert in x86 asm ? Sep 11 15:39:19 i guess since Intel is heavily involved it shouldnt be *too* difficult to find someone from there thats an expert ;) Sep 11 15:39:27 after all, they did define the format :P Sep 11 15:39:55 and make however many billions of chips supporting it Sep 11 15:40:10 except if I ask help for removing x86 sse3 specific instruction ;) Sep 11 15:40:55 ssse3 Sep 11 15:40:56 :P Sep 11 15:41:06 yep, ssse3 Sep 11 15:41:19 remember, 3 s's in ssse3 ;) Sep 11 15:41:21 And you obviously cannot figure out what it does on your own? Sep 11 15:41:53 And the documentation on these pesky instructions is, of course, masterfully hidden by the Intel cabal? Sep 11 15:42:01 well I don't understand @GOTOFF(%ebx) Sep 11 15:42:09 for instance Sep 11 15:42:17 it's rot13 for fuckoff, obviously Sep 11 15:42:20 ;) Sep 11 15:42:33 That is not an SSSE3 instruction Sep 11 15:42:34 I can guess what it does, but I'm not sure Sep 11 15:42:35 what an awesome quote! Sep 11 15:42:39 That is a macro call Sep 11 15:42:47 no but what does this macro does ? Sep 11 15:43:00 Why not look at the definition of this macro? Sep 11 15:43:23 it's after a testl $bit SSSE3, CPUID+... thing Sep 11 15:43:32 well I don't know where it is defined Sep 11 15:43:42 vlj, I thought the ssse3 stuff was guarded anyway Sep 11 15:43:47 and had fallback instructions Sep 11 15:43:48 Hint: Macros aredefined usng keyword MACRO Sep 11 15:45:02 yep but glibc has a lot of lines of code Sep 11 15:46:17 Of course. And that is why most text editors let you search text. Sep 11 15:46:38 ya know, glibc *does* have more than *one* source code file in in Sep 11 15:46:54 Yes, it is horrible,I understand Sep 11 15:46:54 there is grep -r though... Sep 11 15:47:11 That is why many text editors let you search multiple files though Sep 11 15:47:21 i don't know any that do that Sep 11 15:47:37 Microsoft Visual Studio is one Sep 11 15:47:43 haha Sep 11 15:47:53 HippoEdit, Notepad+, etc Sep 11 15:48:02 Scite should do that too Sep 11 15:48:16 i've never heard of any of those except for visual studio, which isn't a text editor Sep 11 15:48:27 * RST38h sighs Sep 11 15:48:36 ...kids nowadays... Sep 11 15:48:37 why would i want to edit hippos? Sep 11 15:48:52 #!/bin/sh Sep 11 15:48:52 find $2 -exec grep "$1" '{}' \; -print Sep 11 15:49:28 Here. Type this into a file, make it executable, use it to search text from your beloved BASH command line, you linux guru. Sep 11 15:49:38 #maemo Sep 11 15:49:39 well done, you just reimplemented grep -r Sep 11 15:49:50 :/ Sep 11 15:50:19 anyway it seems not to be a macro Sep 11 15:50:36 Anything starting with a @ is Sep 11 15:50:41 seems to be related to relocatable things Sep 11 15:51:46 or it's not in glibc Sep 11 15:53:39 * CosmoHill gives ksplice a go Sep 11 15:53:39 you don't need to worry about the ssse3 in glibc anyway Sep 11 15:53:41 GOT means Global Offset Table Sep 11 15:53:48 it's all guarded Sep 11 15:53:54 OFF stands for Offset Sep 11 15:54:03 at least it is in 1.0.1, and it is enough to recompile a new glibc Sep 11 15:54:19 ok Sep 11 15:54:20 in fact, contrary to what intel are constantly saying, no patches are needed to enable this Sep 11 15:54:30 not with 1.0.1 anyway Sep 11 15:54:46 you might run into problems with newer versions Sep 11 15:55:47 RST38h: how did you find that ? Sep 11 15:59:27 google tells nothing about this macro Sep 11 16:09:24 Stskeeps: o/ :) Sep 11 16:17:38 is there a beta release of meego 1.1 ? Sep 11 16:17:53 not an image, just a repo to build image from with mic Sep 11 16:19:32 i dunno about 1.1 beta but there's the daily repos Sep 11 16:20:24 moo, wazd Sep 11 16:20:35 wazd: any progress on that widgets idea Sep 11 16:22:21 vlj: technically speaking 1.0.90 is beta Sep 11 16:22:41 ok Sep 11 16:22:50 but it's not "freezed" ? Sep 11 16:23:05 No it's not frozen Sep 11 16:23:26 ok Sep 11 16:24:08 yes it is Sep 11 16:24:08 :P Sep 11 16:24:17 feature exceptions still happen but this is normal Sep 11 16:25:42 Is it me or fonts in Qt applications are not AA? (on meego-netbook) Sep 11 16:25:53 so..., does anyone use gypsy/geoclue with a usb gps device? I've been trying to get IVI (specifically navit for this discussion) working in my car. Sep 11 16:26:12 I wouldn't describe the current status as a traditional beta freeze Sep 11 16:26:25 ScottishDuck: there's nothing traditional, but we're feeling the freeze Sep 11 16:27:41 Well beta would usually mean feature complete Sep 11 16:28:31 another good term.. how much will be features in 1.1 remains to be seen Sep 11 16:28:51 I see Sep 11 16:29:51 So it's more like an xorg-server release where you identify what you would like for features, but make omissions to meet deadlines Sep 11 16:30:27 Still waiting for xkb 2.0 Sep 11 16:30:30 :) Sep 11 16:30:43 well, there's a good description of the features process Sep 11 16:31:50 omissions would be more along lines of 'didn't get in, in time and isn't release critical' Sep 11 16:32:01 sure Sep 11 16:32:21 being release critical is obviously very subjective Sep 11 16:32:34 * CosmoHill is trying out ksplice Sep 11 16:33:11 but the good news is that at least for n900, we aren't going away for 1.2 Sep 11 16:33:11 :P Sep 11 16:34:04 I wonder if you will go away by the time Meego Handset becmes fully functional though... Sep 11 16:35:13 RST38h: heya :) Sep 11 16:35:14 it remains to be seen how things work in practice, but it isn't the toughest job to maintain a hardware adaptation. making new features is Sep 11 16:35:27 what are the addition of meego 1.1 on netbook side ? Sep 11 16:35:51 RST38h: Pavel is thinking about it right now, since he's responsible for that right now :) Sep 11 16:35:51 Stskeeps: well...tell that to the poor gma 500 owning guys :p Sep 11 16:35:51 so what should be wondered instead is if we are feature complete on hw side Sep 11 16:35:52 :P Sep 11 16:36:00 vlj: well, our code is oss Sep 11 16:36:11 RST38h: but I'm trying to convince him as hard as I can :) Sep 11 16:36:19 ali1234: ping Sep 11 16:36:28 vlj: and we aren't bound by a xorg driver that can't be updated Sep 11 16:36:54 you're talking of n900 port ? Sep 11 16:37:00 yeah Sep 11 16:37:04 same SGX Sep 11 16:37:42 but it is updated ? Sep 11 16:37:53 hrm? Sep 11 16:38:22 SGX drivers for n900 are better updated than the one for gma 500 ? Sep 11 16:39:00 vlj: well, the kernel driver is slightly easier to deal with as it's comparable to other omap3 impls, and the xorg driver is oss Sep 11 16:39:11 ok Sep 11 16:39:13 vlj: and the libs .. well, at some point they're feature complete Sep 11 16:39:23 wazd: Got any preliminary artwork =) Sep 11 16:45:27 * Stskeeps ponders what brand of fastfood to go for tonight Sep 11 16:46:22 Chinese Sep 11 16:47:25 hm, not a bad idea.. Sep 11 16:50:06 Peking Duck Sep 11 16:52:41 ali1234: ping Sep 11 16:56:52 * CosmoHill growls at ksplice for saying a clearly defined variable is not defined Sep 11 17:17:41 one day, I'd like to watch 480p youtube videos >.< Sep 11 17:18:07 on your handled ? Sep 11 17:18:14 on my laptop :( Sep 11 17:18:21 why you cannot ? Sep 11 17:18:21 dohoho Sep 11 17:19:05 it's like a very fast slide show Sep 11 17:19:10 I'm going to hazard a guess he's on a powerbook Sep 11 17:20:00 I am Sep 11 17:20:09 it would seem I can't watch a youtube video and load it at the same time Sep 11 17:20:19 powerbook..with powerpc ? Sep 11 17:20:25 yes Sep 11 17:20:45 for a 10W processor it creates a lot of heat Sep 11 17:20:56 sadly the newly released "gala" version of flash does not work on ppc :/ Sep 11 17:20:56 Good ole PPC Sep 11 17:21:10 didn't know there was flash for ppc Sep 11 17:21:32 firefox is 40% load just buffering the 480p video Sep 11 17:21:37 hello guys Sep 11 17:21:46 whats the current state of the n810 support? :-) Sep 11 17:21:57 korgoth: do you know a guy called Justin?? Sep 11 17:22:01 try chrome, CosmoHill Sep 11 17:22:12 ScottishDuck: that doesn't work on powerpc Sep 11 17:22:19 CosmoHill: mnah, not really, why? Sep 11 17:22:20 oh dear Sep 11 17:22:39 Can you get Firefox 4? Sep 11 17:22:40 cos I recognise you're hostname and he works there Sep 11 17:22:48 ah - lol Sep 11 17:22:56 CosmoHill: im just a customer on dh :) Sep 11 17:23:02 ah okay Sep 11 17:23:08 CosmoHill: try to download the video on your hard drive, then play it Sep 11 17:23:19 that works a treat :) Sep 11 17:23:26 that's rather tedious in the long term Sep 11 17:23:40 you could use safari and the html5 player Sep 11 17:23:53 yay, 80% load, that means I have 20% spare! Sep 11 17:24:08 ScottishDuck: i think I tried that once and it was worse that firefox and flash Sep 11 17:24:17 I'll try with the same video in a moment Sep 11 17:25:35 When did you last try the html5 player Sep 11 17:25:50 few months ago I think Sep 11 17:25:56 ah Sep 11 17:26:02 it has changed a lot since then Sep 11 17:26:23 it's essentially reached feature parity with flash Sep 11 17:26:30 except for ads and annotations Sep 11 17:26:59 so anythiung about the n810 port? Sep 11 17:28:12 yes, there is not a lot of advance since the armv5 build was disabled on the build servers, also, try the #meego-arm channel Sep 11 17:28:17 now to find a video that isn't in flash Sep 11 17:28:44 Ah, of course you wont have hardware acceleration on PPC because no QuickTimeX Sep 11 17:29:04 bef0rd: tnx Sep 11 17:32:26 I feel like the resolution options are mocking me Sep 11 17:32:51 html5 can't do 480p, it's a known issue with the standard Sep 11 17:33:44 oh that's stupid, on a "channel" it's flash only Sep 11 17:38:24 awesome, 720p is stuck in a 13 second loop Sep 11 17:38:47 ah no sound is working now Sep 11 17:57:32 is there not a package for libva-glx? Sep 11 18:05:21 What is the verdict for Meego on the N800? Slow/Fast/Not working? Sep 11 18:05:50 currently not availble Sep 11 18:06:05 armv5 builds disabled Sep 11 18:06:16 (for capacitity reasons) Sep 11 18:06:19 is twitter working from meego netbook at the moment? Sep 11 18:06:21 i wrote the mail myself, so no conspiracy here :) Sep 11 18:06:29 wayland on Meego ? Sep 11 18:06:33 not sure it is doable :/ Sep 11 18:06:53 would be nice Sep 11 18:06:55 Thank you. Sep 11 18:07:07 Stskeeps: you speak about obs.maemo.org Sep 11 18:07:21 no, meego.com Sep 11 18:07:22 no would be awfull, wayland is not supported by most drivers Sep 11 18:07:32 you have access to obs.meego.com ? ;) Sep 11 18:07:45 build.meego.com and yes, have to, i'm maintaining devel:devices:n900 :P Sep 11 18:09:47 how lucky you are ;) Sep 11 18:10:18 that also means i get asked to fix things, which is the downside ;) Sep 11 18:11:04 you're not working for nokia btw ? Sep 11 18:11:16 not a nokia employee Sep 11 18:11:27 meego build servers: http://citizengodden.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/p7040179.jpg Sep 11 18:11:44 CosmoHill: you know, that would sometimes be right.. Sep 11 18:11:58 ... Sep 11 18:12:01 lol Sep 11 18:12:21 full blog: http://citizengodden.com/2008/10/03/server-rooms-fire-should-be-kept-apart/ Sep 11 18:12:38 vlj: it's hard to determine really. i'm a 'meego' employee, if anything. Sep 11 18:13:05 I thought you were a nomovok employee if anything? Sep 11 18:13:09 no, not even that Sep 11 18:13:10 :P Sep 11 18:13:20 you're working for meego on your free time or are you paid for that ? Sep 11 18:13:28 vlj: paid for it Sep 11 18:13:33 Stskeeps, not Nomovok anymore? Sep 11 18:13:33 ho k Sep 11 18:13:43 lcuk: no, i'm not employed by nomovok - am my own employer Sep 11 18:14:25 rog, didnt know it had changed Sep 11 18:14:41 didn't Sep 11 18:14:43 was always like that :) Sep 11 18:14:49 * Stskeeps has a cute little company called Imogen Software Sep 11 18:15:02 oopsie then :D lol Sep 11 18:15:52 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Sep 11 18:15:59 says there you are affiliated with nomovok Sep 11 18:16:24 wasn't my list to make, but that's the perspective of nokia Sep 11 18:16:35 how it exactly works beyond that interface is up to the imagination Sep 11 18:16:35 :P Sep 11 18:16:47 :) Sep 11 18:17:29 Stskeeps, you started the page and filled it in :S Sep 11 18:18:16 lcuk: apperances Sep 11 18:18:17 :P Sep 11 18:18:49 was in charge of opening up our team work, so Sep 11 18:19:12 team list is rather inaccurate now too Sep 11 18:19:18 some people are other places in the project Sep 11 18:19:29 anyhow Sep 11 18:19:30 i'm off Sep 11 18:20:11 bye bye Sep 11 18:20:16 enjoy your chinese Sep 11 18:20:41 So, what's the interest in Wayland for anyway? What's it provide over X? Sep 11 18:20:51 still requires X server Sep 11 18:20:58 wayland is uber optimised simplified x server Sep 11 18:21:00 Shows how much I know! ;P Sep 11 18:21:27 Kubuntiac: it is a "lightweight" Xserver that get rid of unnecessary rendering api Sep 11 18:21:44 but it requires kernel module setting, gem Sep 11 18:22:10 vlj: So the idea is to have somethig that runs better on low powered devices? Sep 11 18:22:13 obviously not compatible with non kms drivers (like ati and nvidia ones) and drivers that have their own memory manager Sep 11 18:22:29 well I don't know since wayland is still at an early stage Sep 11 18:22:41 yes Sep 11 18:22:43 you have no benchmark of its consumption Sep 11 18:22:48 the guy was surprised when it took off Sep 11 18:22:59 it was just an investigation afaik Sep 11 18:23:00 Phoronix really pushed it as the cool new thing Sep 11 18:23:01 Stskeeps, is your company real? Sep 11 18:23:30 Odd question... Sep 11 18:23:48 I'm sure his company is like his girlfriend, real Sep 11 18:24:51 Kubuntiac: but phoronix never put a pic of wayland working ;) Sep 11 18:25:07 CosmoHill, girlfriends should be real? why? Sep 11 18:25:49 I'm just saying his is real Sep 11 18:25:59 you have have an imaginary one if you wanted Sep 11 18:29:45 CosmoHill, don't let Stskeeps' wife know he has a real girlfriend Sep 11 18:30:28 * CosmoHill decides silence is his best option Sep 11 18:35:07 ali1234: ping Sep 11 18:35:27 ali1234: I would like you to test a ssse3-less glibc package Sep 11 18:50:36 does anybody knows which OBS version runs on build.meego.com ? Sep 11 18:50:55 yes, but he's not here at the moment Sep 11 18:51:26 Stskeeps? :P nevermind just found it http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure Sep 11 18:53:39 uhm that wiki page seems to be outdated, looks like its OBS 2 Sep 11 18:53:50 * CosmoHill smiles and nods Sep 11 18:57:44 CosmoHill, the idea of an open project is to try to keep this upto date! Sep 11 18:57:56 bef0rd, if you do find out which version, please update that wiki! Sep 11 18:58:38 and lbt, should the front page of the build.meego.com contain a direct link to the infrastructure wiki page? Sep 11 18:59:36 lcuk: you've not seen my distro website then ^.^ Sep 11 19:00:08 bef0rd: 2.0 Sep 11 19:01:07 bef0rd: how did you find out that it's 2.0? Sep 11 19:02:04 * sofar updates the wiki page with correct obs version numbers Sep 11 19:02:08 Compared the web design to https://build.opensuse.org/ which is running 2 Sep 11 19:02:17 it is 2.0 Sep 11 19:02:37 sofar: cool, you beat me to it Sep 11 19:02:38 thanks sofar Sep 11 19:02:52 ali1234: ping Sep 11 19:03:20 is there someone with a non ssse3 computer out there that can test if glibc package works ? :) Sep 11 19:03:47 .o/ Sep 11 19:03:56 hehe I got rid of mine Sep 11 19:04:05 well I suppose I can resurrect my old via c7 lol Sep 11 19:04:26 hi, someone sells apps in Ovi? Sep 11 19:04:53 the matter is that you need to get an image of meego with this package inside it Sep 11 19:06:57 vlj: I can boot the meego 1.0 DVD into init 3 on my P4 Sep 11 19:08:07 DVD ? ;) Sep 11 19:08:16 yeah it's 800MB >.< Sep 11 19:08:49 you need to install all these packages : http://download.obs.maemo.org/home:/vljn/MeeGo_1.0_Core/i686/ Sep 11 19:08:59 and see if you can go beyond init 3 or not Sep 11 19:09:27 does ftp work? Sep 11 19:09:32 I can get * then :) Sep 11 19:10:01 no idea Sep 11 19:10:29 CosmoHill: the darn netbook iso's are that large because of the liveOS part :( Sep 11 19:11:08 wget sould always work Sep 11 19:11:13 *should Sep 11 19:11:26 wget -r Sep 11 19:11:32 yup Sep 11 19:12:04 oh that's right, I don'\t have wget anymore >.< Sep 11 19:13:43 curl Sep 11 19:14:08 we thought about making wget a wrapper to curl in meego to save space :) Sep 11 19:14:37 if you can give me the curl commands I'll use that Sep 11 19:15:09 what do you need to download? a bunch of files in a folder recursively? Sep 11 19:15:14 yes Sep 11 19:15:22 whenever I've used curl before it's cocked up all the names Sep 11 19:16:14 * kyb3R couldn't survive without wget Sep 11 19:16:43 * CosmoHill just clicks them on firefox Sep 11 19:16:58 I don't think curl can do recursive lol Sep 11 19:17:12 that's the only thing it can't Sep 11 19:17:17 you would have to do a little script Sep 11 19:17:20 apparently I can only download 6 things at once Sep 11 19:18:33 lcuk: that's not mine :) Sep 11 19:18:36 vlj: I'd be interested to see if yum or zypper work with these RPMs Sep 11 19:19:18 well you can do "zypper ar http://download.obs.maemo.org/home:/vljn/MeeGo_1.0_Core/i686/ SomeRepoName" Sep 11 19:20:01 but I don't know how to mark them as "prefered" over the official ones Sep 11 19:20:03 hmm I need to get osc compiled from source so I can work on my home box Sep 11 19:28:26 where is my fecking meego dvd Sep 11 19:28:39 :p Sep 11 19:28:56 it was on my damn desk last week Sep 11 19:33:48 how can I unmount loopback ? Sep 11 19:34:15 umount /path/to/mount Sep 11 19:34:33 loopback are not mounted to some path :/ Sep 11 19:34:49 okay Sep 11 19:34:52 so where is it mounted to Sep 11 19:35:38 no idea Sep 11 19:35:46 type "mount" and find out Sep 11 19:35:46 I have a [loop0] process when doing ps aux Sep 11 19:36:15 its not there :/ Sep 11 19:36:55 * CosmoHill looks over at his collection of P3 processors Sep 11 19:37:00 lbt, fair enough \o Sep 11 19:37:07 who should be poked? Sep 11 19:37:08 why do I have theses Sep 11 19:37:18 nostalgia ? Sep 11 19:37:30 I tried to make a Dual P3 but it sucks Sep 11 19:38:04 anyone want 44Kg of scrap / dell poweregde 4400 Sep 11 19:38:13 I wonder if atom can compete with p3 Sep 11 19:38:48 single p3 or my collection? Sep 11 19:39:15 I think I have two slots and 5 sockets Sep 11 19:40:02 well the most powerfull p3 you have :) Sep 11 19:40:13 my server :) Sep 11 19:40:20 hold on Sep 11 19:40:26 stats.cosmo1847.co.uk Sep 11 19:40:57 stats.of.your.mums.boyfriends.cosmo1847.co.uk also works ^.^ Sep 11 19:49:20 vlj: installing Sep 11 19:49:26 ok Sep 11 19:49:31 I forgot the that the front is usb 1.1 Sep 11 19:51:53 lcuk: probably Anas.... but TBH I think it's fine as a general purpose link Sep 11 19:52:42 I typed init 5, that seems to the the last thing that happened Sep 11 19:54:11 you mean it crashed ? Sep 11 19:54:37 yes Sep 11 19:54:40 :/ Sep 11 19:55:27 Xorg crashed or your whole system ? Sep 11 19:56:05 erm Sep 11 19:56:10 it's not booting :/ Sep 11 19:57:12 sad Sep 11 19:59:31