**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 13 02:59:57 2010 Sep 13 05:21:40 wtb 64-bit builds of the dev tools :( Sep 13 05:22:13 why? Sep 13 05:22:18 because that's what my linux install is Sep 13 05:22:33 meego is a 32bit OS Sep 13 05:22:41 I don't mean x86-64 target Sep 13 05:22:44 I mean host Sep 13 05:22:51 still Sep 13 05:23:11 your distro doesn't support 32bit userland? Sep 13 05:23:31 the meego-dev-env installer refuses to run on 64-bit systems Sep 13 05:23:35 it actively checks and quits Sep 13 05:23:55 you can attempt to file a bugzilla Sep 13 05:24:01 probably should Sep 13 05:24:27 but if your distro is lacking 32bit support I'll make sure nobody wastes their time on it Sep 13 05:24:29 ;) Sep 13 05:24:34 it's ubuntu Sep 13 05:24:38 so it undoubtedly does Sep 13 05:24:52 still, there are too many other bugs that need fixing first Sep 13 05:24:57 like mic2 Sep 13 05:25:10 indeed Sep 13 05:37:21 wooo Sep 13 05:37:26 got meego on 10v Sep 13 05:37:34 \o/ Sep 13 05:37:37 dell mini 10v. That was easy Sep 13 05:37:56 now to get wireless working Sep 13 05:38:05 lol yeah I dunno how Sep 13 05:38:16 im installing updates Sep 13 05:38:19 sorry, broadcom wireless I think Sep 13 05:38:21 "May Broadcom be with You"... Sep 13 05:38:26 just wait until the new driver is merged Sep 13 05:38:44 its 'dell wireless' which is guess is broadcom? Sep 13 05:38:44 Mmmmm.... FOSS Wireless N Broadcom Driiiiiverrrr.... :) Sep 13 05:38:47 firmware got posted saturday, we may actually have a driver soon Sep 13 05:38:58 All my Dells are broadcom Sep 13 05:39:13 sweeeeeeeeet Sep 13 05:39:22 i usually upgrade to intel when I buy my dells Sep 13 05:39:25 now people, we don't expect a cheapie-vendor like dell to ship high-quality wireless eh? Sep 13 05:39:39 just kidding Sep 13 05:39:40 dell is a cheapie vendor> Sep 13 05:39:42 ? Sep 13 05:39:45 who is a better one lol Sep 13 05:39:57 and yeah, I always upgrade my wireless modules too whenever I can Sep 13 05:40:04 sadly, with netbooks, it's almost never possible Sep 13 05:40:14 i didnt pay 20$ for the n-version Sep 13 05:40:21 maybe that was a mistake Sep 13 05:40:31 over 500$ for a lenovo s10-3t and stuck with broadcom wireless :/ Sep 13 05:40:47 I've avoided N, waiting until I knew it would be well supported... Sep 13 05:40:56 does meego run on intel HD graphics (core i5?) Sep 13 05:40:58 Looks like that might happen sooner rather than later! Sep 13 05:41:13 (Although I'm still waiting for FOSS GLSL on my ATI RAdeon HD4850) Sep 13 05:41:52 wow theres a lot of updates Sep 13 05:42:22 c|oneman: yes, i5 gfx is fully supported Sep 13 05:43:14 is google pitching in for chrome on this os Sep 13 05:43:20 like, are they helping Sep 13 05:45:13 what do you think? Sep 13 05:45:35 um. no? Sep 13 05:45:59 it competes with android Sep 13 05:46:00 I'd bet they're not. I don't know though. My bet is they're just providing the browser and MeeGo is using it... Sep 13 05:47:10 the touchpad on the 10v is so terrible Sep 13 05:50:45 c|oneman: did you already turn off the touch sensitivity of the 'button' area? Sep 13 05:51:38 I would love to know how Sep 13 05:51:52 I was thinking of putting some rubber there :/ Sep 13 05:54:58 johnx any advice? Sep 13 05:55:15 c|oneman: here's the bug from ubuntu with patches: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/402863 Sep 13 05:55:47 I know that when I set mine up, I actually had to tweak things in the xorg.conf, though maybe that's unnecessary these days? Sep 13 05:56:27 iirc it sucks even when setup correctly, just not quite as much Sep 13 05:56:30 in windows that is. Sep 13 05:58:55 well, in linux it was basically impossible to drag and drop until I applied the patch and disabled part of the touchpad are that was over the 'buttons' Sep 13 06:00:56 on guy ordered a mini10 touchpad and modded it to fit in the 10v Sep 13 06:01:10 his pics arent clear though, its a wierd mod Sep 13 06:02:47 more info here: http://linuxcentre.net/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Karmic_Koala_on_the_Dell_Mini_10v_Netbook#Make_the_Touchpad_Usable Sep 13 06:03:02 that might actually be what I modified, not the xorg.conf Sep 13 06:06:22 im from india. can i really do anything worth volunteering for the upcoming conference? Sep 13 06:07:47 perhaps, never hurts to volunteer wherever you are Sep 13 06:07:54 are you coming to the conference? Sep 13 06:09:23 so what languages should I learn to join the meego app gold rush Sep 13 06:09:57 C++ is the best bet for now, python is a possibility but I'm still not sure it's been packaged Sep 13 06:10:04 http://meego.com/developers/meego-api Sep 13 06:10:16 ah, and WRT Sep 13 06:10:19 I always forget about it Sep 13 06:10:21 so JS Sep 13 06:10:44 c++ Sep 13 06:11:10 moin thiago_home btw :) Sep 13 06:11:19 definately do not write python applications if you don't have to Sep 13 06:12:40 what does Qt have to do with this? Sep 13 06:13:00 the MeeGo UI API is Qt based Sep 13 06:13:20 so, in order to make a properly integrated MeeGo handset app, you need to write it in Qt Sep 13 06:13:41 I assume thats an easier language than C++, right? Sep 13 06:14:57 it's still C++ Sep 13 06:15:02 Qt == C++ Sep 13 06:15:21 Qt is a GUI API in C++ Sep 13 06:15:26 oic Sep 13 06:15:29 are there by any plans to allow for other languages that have Qt bindings? Sep 13 06:15:34 like ... python? Sep 13 06:15:46 just like Boost is C++, but adds a metric buttload of things you can do Sep 13 06:16:10 no, we want to disccourage people from adding inefficiencient layers that are not needed :) Sep 13 06:16:25 one person wants to write a ruby app Sep 13 06:16:30 another one a perll-Qt app Sep 13 06:16:36 another one a python app Sep 13 06:16:48 soon meego will suck because we have 25 runtime layers loaded Sep 13 06:17:06 fair enough Sep 13 06:17:19 I just can't stand C++ but I'm really excited about MeeGo Sep 13 06:17:21 your phone will become very hot in your pants :) Sep 13 06:17:43 heh ... yeah Sep 13 06:18:15 not like C++ is masturbating with a cheesegrater type of difficulty in writing apps.... Sep 13 06:18:31 well Sep 13 06:18:40 Qt actually makes it easy Sep 13 06:18:52 right, but here's the bit ... if I'm going to code in my free time, I want it to be fun and I just can't bring myself to find C++ fun Sep 13 06:19:15 there's not much C++ you need to know to make a basic Qt app MeeGo style Sep 13 06:19:32 maxamillion: then go write java for android Sep 13 06:19:46 zr0: nope, also not fun Sep 13 06:19:51 hehe Sep 13 06:19:55 work == no fun Sep 13 06:19:58 bingo Sep 13 06:20:30 meh Sep 13 06:20:37 maxamillion: Qt really does make C++ easy Sep 13 06:20:41 give it a try Sep 13 06:20:52 if you don't find it fun, then try Web Runtime Sep 13 06:20:55 I suppose I will give it a shot some time Sep 13 06:21:10 any recommended docs? Sep 13 06:21:19 google for meego sdk Sep 13 06:21:20 i didn't like c++ before (was a c coder), but now i seem to like it because of qt Sep 13 06:21:44 is meego sdk different from Qt in any way or just a sdk implemented in Qt? Sep 13 06:22:05 well Sep 13 06:22:16 errrr api* Sep 13 06:22:21 technically a MeeGo application is meegotouch framework Sep 13 06:22:35 oh Sep 13 06:22:39 lol my 10v id getting rly hot Sep 13 06:22:40 that's based on Qt, with some extra fluff and zing Sep 13 06:22:54 meego knows how to use atom properly, unlike windows I presume Sep 13 06:22:56 meegotouch framework == MTF Sep 13 06:23:10 i can run flash 480p rather nicely Sep 13 06:23:17 also not doable on windows Sep 13 06:24:39 c|oneman: that has nothing to do with MeeGo though Sep 13 06:25:58 eh? Sep 13 06:28:02 * thiago_home is now off to the airport Sep 13 06:29:03 the mini putt game is making me rage Sep 13 07:11:54 Hi all :) Sep 13 07:15:41 hi Sep 13 08:13:08 Anaz Sep 13 08:17:42 kyb3R: ohai Sep 13 08:17:48 kyb3R: got my mail? Sep 13 08:30:03 Myrtti_: yep, most unfortunate Sep 13 08:30:37 I will call Suvi about this Sep 13 08:31:49 kyb3R: great Sep 13 08:31:54 ? Sep 13 08:32:44 kyb3R: right after you've called, you could send a message on the mailinglist/discussion forumS about the possible change Sep 13 08:35:31 Myrtti_: will do. I would still prefer to hold the meeting in Demola, during another day if nothing else Sep 13 08:36:21 the discussion is quite hard to follow Sep 13 08:38:30 petteri: mix up with dates of Tampere Meetup, there isn't really much to tell before we know more Sep 13 08:39:56 ok Sep 13 08:48:00 after zypper dup, meego-simulator-launcher-handset removed and startmeego disspear :( Sep 13 08:49:59 Myrtti_: no panic. Most likely both meetings can be held there as planned. Suvi will confirm it today ASAP. Sep 13 08:51:45 good good Sep 13 08:56:05 HellOlAloHallOhayo.. I HI.. Sep 13 09:02:59 after zypper dup, meego-simulator-launcher-handset removed and startmeego disspear :( Sep 13 09:15:04 ekrem__: I noticed the same Sep 13 09:15:30 try to install it from http://download.meego.com/live/home:/KevinWang:/ToolsSDK/Trunk/i586/ Sep 13 09:26:08 sorry for french : LES FRANCAIS SE CROIENT SEULS AU MONDE PEUT ETRE ? mais ils sont mabouls dans leurs tetes ils cherchent quoi encore comme merde ces batards ? Sep 13 09:47:04 javiF: thanks for reply, I removed image and extract a new one Sep 13 09:47:52 I think old one kind of broken, after I exit and chroot again I noticed hostname also different Sep 13 10:03:56 hello Sep 13 10:06:25 thiago, \o have a pleasant journey and I hope your presentation goes smoothly Sep 13 10:10:37 qtcreator.bin: cannot connect to X server :0.0 Sep 13 10:12:40 ekrem__: Start it from within X, not from commandline outside? Sep 13 10:12:45 ekrem__: are you using qemu or chroot ? Sep 13 10:13:06 try: xhost + Sep 13 10:13:30 chroot Sep 13 10:13:46 this will give you permission to all the clients to connect. Can be a security issue if you are in a big network. Sep 13 10:14:29 cool, xhost + helped Sep 13 10:15:07 thank you guys Sep 13 10:15:18 :) if you want to do it properly use: xhost +SI:localuser: Sep 13 10:15:43 this will give you permission to your username to use the XServer Sep 13 10:16:22 I think I have done this Sep 13 10:16:36 I have root and ekrem user on my host Sep 13 10:16:42 I added ekrem to xhost Sep 13 10:17:01 are you in a big network ? :) Sep 13 10:17:27 should I actually add root since I see meego sdk is running as root? Sep 13 10:17:56 yeah, I am in big network Sep 13 10:18:26 I will try to add root next time I restarted Sep 13 10:19:11 when we call the chroot script we are doing it as root. Maybe that is the right one to add. But I am not sure ! Sep 13 10:19:46 let me know :) Sep 13 10:20:39 sure I will Sep 13 10:47:15 cheese toasties ♥ Sep 13 10:59:54 yay Sep 13 11:48:00 I was thinking of starting a thread on the forums about how to encourage developers to create and develop applications requested by the community Sep 13 11:59:05 Myrtti_: pay them Sep 13 11:59:17 Myrtti_: developer ussualy do something for profit Sep 13 11:59:29 Myrtti_: it's either financial profit or they need certain app Sep 13 12:01:36 it's common that app development starts from 'scratching someones itch'. Sep 13 12:01:42 jacekowski: unsurprisingly, that was what I was thinking Sep 13 12:02:16 jacekowski: was thinking of starting a discussion about application bounty funds Sep 13 12:02:34 maybe if the community posts a list of apps they'd like, there might be a developer who wants the same thing Sep 13 12:02:51 CosmoHill: my thoughts as well Sep 13 12:02:54 they see the app on the wanted list and think "actually that would be useful to me" and start developing Sep 13 12:03:15 having just a list isn't going to do it for everything, as we all know Sep 13 12:03:17 to usual OSS development process Sep 13 12:03:35 s/to/the/ Sep 13 12:03:35 kyb3R meant: the usual OSS development process Sep 13 12:03:55 if an app is needed, it will find developers Sep 13 12:04:09 IMO Sep 13 12:04:30 I begged, prayed and tried to bribe people to develop some apps for the Maemo platform that I would have needed, which would have used the features of the touch interface, and yet, nobody did it. Sep 13 12:04:39 or if there is potental to make money from the app Sep 13 12:04:48 and I did this starting from 2007 or so. Sep 13 12:06:23 funny thing is that such app is there now for Android. Sep 13 12:06:53 with varying values of "funny" Sep 13 12:07:35 it is not incommon that the needs of the public and developers do not meet, but still I'm a bit suspicious about usign monetary awards Sep 13 12:07:57 might work in short run and in some cases though Sep 13 12:07:58 s/incommon/uncommon/ Sep 13 12:08:03 uups Sep 13 12:08:17 kyb3R: I tried bribery by woollen handknit socks. Sep 13 12:08:20 didn't work. Sep 13 12:08:21 I just wanted to see if info bot's sed worked on other people Sep 13 12:08:27 Myrtti_: :) Sep 13 12:08:43 kyb3R: like GSoC Sep 13 12:08:49 Myrtti_: what kind of apps was this? Sep 13 12:08:49 (FYI: http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.jschroeder.lknitter) Sep 13 12:09:04 frals: ^ Sep 13 12:10:22 alright Sep 13 12:11:20 Xournal was a good replacement of some of the features on <= diablo Sep 13 12:11:45 funny, none of my text messages seem to be in my ovi suite Sep 13 12:11:52 and my funny, i mean dammit Sep 13 12:14:59 my offer still stands, btw. If someone makes an app like that for Maemo5/Meego (tablet/phone/netbook), I'll knit them woolly socks. I don't have anything that I could run that software on, but out of principle the offer still stands. Sep 13 12:15:14 * CosmoHill seethes Sep 13 12:16:15 fuuuuuu...my messages never synced Sep 13 12:17:23 Myrtti_: you could bring up those ideas in our local meetings as well Sep 13 12:32:36 Myrtti_: the good news is that my wife wants an app like that... Sep 13 12:33:06 I'm still behind on the 'tap stitch counter' Sep 13 12:36:34 tap stitch counter? Sep 13 12:36:41 knitting? Sep 13 12:41:30 punch of club-mate bottles as reward might work too ;) Sep 13 12:41:51 how about beerware? Sep 13 12:41:56 nope Sep 13 12:42:04 not here at least Sep 13 12:42:10 "there will be a version 2 as soon as a sober up" Sep 13 12:43:12 Hi Sep 13 12:43:21 hello Sep 13 12:49:35 lbt: http://myrtti.fi/blog/2009/12/10/dear-santa/ has something in the comments :-P Sep 13 12:51:46 mbatle: heey any news? :) Sep 13 12:55:09 hi luist, yes, I tried, but I cannot reproduce it Sep 13 12:55:29 mbatle: :( Sep 13 12:56:22 luist, I did lots of installs and removes and all of them were working fine Sep 13 12:57:45 mbatle: it used to happen more often when i wait some minutes between 2 installs Sep 13 12:58:01 mbatle: instead of installing all at once Sep 13 12:58:35 mmm, ok Sep 13 12:58:49 luist, did you try in native meego or chroot sdk ? Sep 13 13:11:35 mbatle: my meego has few customizations... Sep 13 13:11:52 ok Sep 13 13:12:24 mbatle: but since the bug was reported when using the native i think its not because of that Sep 13 13:16:40 1.1 version has better support and error tracking Sep 13 13:21:32 mbatle: ok guess ill have to customize 1.1 :) Sep 13 13:21:51 mbatle: got a src.rpm of them? Sep 13 13:24:27 luist, there is no official release I think Sep 13 14:14:44 Myrtti: nothing (almost) has changed. Tampere meeting is 21.9.2010 18:00-> at Protomo (same building and floor as Demola). I will update the meeting details to meetup.com Sep 13 14:16:39 kyb3R: good to hear Sep 13 14:18:00 hm. something is amiss here... Sep 13 14:18:14 oh right. I'm still in my dressing gown and have eaten only breakfast. Sep 13 14:18:28 I was gonna suggest a lack of trousers Sep 13 14:50:17 when using qmake, is there a way to change the default -arch ? Sep 13 15:07:09 any way to get a 360 controller to interface with Qt? Sep 13 15:25:36 CosmoHill, isn't the 360 controller just HID? Sep 13 15:26:02 yeah should be Sep 13 15:26:18 x360 game pad isn't hid Sep 13 15:27:04 Need a driver. Sep 13 15:27:16 It's not bluetooth, I know that much Sep 13 15:27:23 mine is USB Sep 13 15:27:33 you'd need the USB cable or USB wireless adaptor Sep 13 15:30:46 oh dear, playing RoR I've managed to rip the cab off a lorry Sep 13 16:31:22 hi meegoists! Sep 13 16:31:48 * microlith waves Sep 13 16:31:58 urgh, installing fedora 13 on a macbook is not fu :( Sep 13 16:32:01 fun* Sep 13 16:32:41 microlith: why not? Sep 13 16:32:55 well, first there's the EFI nonsense Sep 13 16:33:03 then there's the fact that it's fedora Sep 13 16:33:08 * microlith isn't a redhat fan Sep 13 16:33:14 EFI=? Sep 13 16:34:30 Imo Fedora is one of the most tolerable Linux distros Sep 13 16:34:43 microlith, don't you have VirtualBox on Mac? Sep 13 16:37:38 hi guys simple question, this release schedule as also talking about arm-meego too right? Sep 13 16:37:41 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 Sep 13 16:38:16 jedlhl: my guess, yes Sep 13 16:38:34 VenemoN900: EFI = bios replacement, and redhat made me hate using linux Sep 13 16:39:01 someone is claiming it's: "vanilla meego only, not *harmatten-meego*" i have a sneaking suspicion they've no idea what they're talking about Sep 13 16:39:12 smoku: I do, but the macbook doesn't have the power to make using virtualbox worthwhile Sep 13 16:39:45 but alas, I am downloading the x86 fedora 13 DVD, and will try installing from that Sep 13 16:40:11 harmattan meego is refered as the 'nokia meego' I believe Sep 13 16:40:17 ubuntu worked fine from the live CD, but there are so many rpm-only packages it makes life hard Sep 13 16:40:20 for the next nseries device Sep 13 16:45:57 microlith, pity. I am perfectly able to run Fedora chroot under Ubuntu without any performance penalty ;-) Sep 13 16:46:03 bef0rd, it's what used to be Maemo 6. Sep 13 16:46:32 chroot is one thing Sep 13 16:46:34 heh Sep 13 16:47:41 jedlhl, you may think of Harmattan as Maemo6 + MeeGo compatibility layer Sep 13 16:48:06 jedlhl, it's not "real" MeeGo. it's only compatible Sep 13 16:50:17 right but there will be meego 1.1 release for arv71 (n900) at the same time as there's meego 1.1 for other patofrms, as evidence by this plan right? Sep 13 16:54:29 jedlhl, yes, but this is vanilla meego, not harmattan-meego ;-) Sep 13 16:54:51 they're claming that this release plan cannot be used as a rough guide for the next release of meego for armv71 Sep 13 16:55:14 you're talking about mobile-review. and they're not claiming that Sep 13 16:56:51 absolutely they are Sep 13 16:57:23 jedlhl, finished 1.1 is just this - milestone reached. whether someone makes an effort and integrate it on the real device - it's another story Sep 13 16:57:39 no, they (or he) just said that vanilla meego is a different thing than nokia's harmattan-meego Sep 13 17:00:54 no he claimed that harmatten-meego will come way after vanilla meego for armv71 Sep 13 17:02:45 he said that harmattan-meego is way further. and meant that harmattan-meego is more ready than normal meego Sep 13 17:04:06 huh? typo? i think you got that the wring way around.... Sep 13 17:10:27 nope. he said originally that harmattan-meego has very little to do with vanilla-meego roadmap. and the point was that harmattan may be much more complete than vanilla meego at this point. Sep 13 17:11:50 but perhaps I'll stay out of this.. mobile-review is nowadays irritating place anyways. moderators act like trolls etc. Sep 13 17:13:21 oh i think i may have missed that point, i came in on the tail end.... Sep 13 18:06:30 hi again Sep 13 18:06:47 hi hi Sep 13 18:52:38 so what's up with MeeGo lately? Sep 13 19:02:19 has anyone here managed to get wake on lan working on a joggler? Sep 13 19:02:24 * CosmoHill offers Venemo some tumble weed Sep 13 19:02:57 CosmoHill: lol :) Sep 13 19:03:16 what I'm really curious about is this: can MeeGo make phone calls on the N900? :) Sep 13 19:04:06 venemo, if it works anything like as well as on an aava phone - no way! Sep 13 19:05:32 lol Sep 13 19:06:44 * microlith goes back to ubuntu on his macbook Sep 13 19:06:55 arfoll, not sure about WOL with the Joggler not having a proper mac for the wired port Sep 13 19:07:45 arfoll, yeah that's what I was thinking, the ethernet card does report the capabilities though - ethtool reports 'g' Sep 13 19:07:54 arfoll: what do you mean? Sep 13 19:08:40 ethtool can tell you what features your ethernet card can support Sep 13 19:08:46 g means it can do WOL Sep 13 19:08:59 what about WOL from a USB wifi card? Sep 13 19:09:40 arfoll, not sure about wifi , only ever done it via wired, Sep 13 19:10:02 same... I guess I'll have to try Sep 13 19:10:43 the WOL packet can contain a mac or a broadcast mac so if your on a local net wired might work with a boadcast mac Sep 13 19:11:25 AVX, the new SSSE3? Sep 13 19:14:18 isn't the problem with doing WOL with wifi is that wifi cards are often powered off with the computer Sep 13 19:14:36 were as wired NICs are still supplied with power Sep 13 19:15:22 CosmoHill, yeah it does sounds like it might be a problem Sep 13 19:20:56 would a wake timer be better suited to your needs? Sep 13 19:25:50 CosmoHill, nah not really- I want to be able to use it to watch TV while cooking. Turn it on from the phone and off again Sep 13 19:25:55 take that me! Sep 13 19:37:12 hi Sep 13 19:37:36 I can run Meego on a computer with no sse3 extension at all... Sep 13 19:37:46 in init 3 mode Sep 13 19:37:56 and it crashes at shutdown Sep 13 19:41:35 how do you shut down the computer? Sep 13 19:41:45 command line or power button? Sep 13 19:42:41 VLJ: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-on-p4.jpg Sep 13 20:01:35 CosmoHill: just "poweroff" Sep 13 20:01:43 in a command line Sep 13 20:01:48 bbl, getting mac Sep 13 20:01:58 bbl ? Sep 13 20:02:15 CosmoHill: you can have meego ux or...? Sep 13 20:02:17 does meego support ext4? Sep 13 20:02:30 no Sep 13 20:03:08 but your ext4 supporting distribution likely support btrfs Sep 13 20:03:24 what the hell is ? Sep 13 20:03:49 so is there any way to mount ext4 ? Sep 13 20:04:04 MostafaDaneshvar: building ext 4 as kernel module Sep 13 20:04:27 CosmoHill: where ? Sep 13 20:08:12 lbt lbt2 : you were interested in non sse 3 support or ? Sep 13 20:09:19 VLJ: heh... laptop was on Sep 13 20:09:22 but yes. Sep 13 20:09:52 can you make a list of what does not work on non sse3 computer ? Sep 13 20:10:18 for most part it works Sep 13 20:10:54 (beside the fact that amd/old intel processor does not come with a supported intel gfx) Sep 13 20:11:26 VLJ: tbh... I'm seeing that people are making a start Sep 13 20:11:42 when we get the community OBS we can see about a build target there Sep 13 20:11:58 for now I'm putting *all* my spare energy into that.... Sep 13 20:12:15 lbt : but as far as I can see, there was almost no issue with non sse3 cpu Sep 13 20:12:50 it boots, it shows a command lines, and even a X with xterm and xclock Sep 13 20:12:51 VLJ: yeah... a glibc patch Sep 13 20:13:10 which... ironically enough... would never be accepted upstream :D Sep 13 20:13:15 in upstream ? Sep 13 20:13:37 well I used the official meego image Sep 13 20:14:02 and it worked quite nice in an old P4 processor with sse...2 support Sep 13 20:14:15 there was just a core dump when powering off Sep 13 20:14:25 I had no glibc patch at all Sep 13 20:14:32 I've been more interested in the principle of it.... we were told ages ago that the crashes people saw were ssse3 caused Sep 13 20:14:48 so I've had zero interest in trying to run it on my AMD systems Sep 13 20:14:49 maybe it was not Sep 13 20:14:52 lbt: were they? Sep 13 20:14:58 yeah.. that would suck a bit Sep 13 20:14:59 maybe you should Sep 13 20:15:17 I mean, there is tons of reason to make Meego not work Sep 13 20:15:29 the most important of it : not compatible gfx drivers Sep 13 20:15:45 well.... like I say... life will be *so* much easier for everyone with this OBS up Sep 13 20:15:51 I hope so ;) Sep 13 20:15:59 we can put in the non-intel gfx too Sep 13 20:16:08 will it be on meego.com or obs.maemo.org ? Sep 13 20:16:16 again, funnily, the AMD code but not nvidia :) Sep 13 20:16:22 meego.com Sep 13 20:16:25 ok Sep 13 20:16:27 * RST38h would find it troubling if one could only "make world" using a specialized remote build system Sep 13 20:16:43 RST38h: well. kinda Sep 13 20:16:50 we have no "make world" Sep 13 20:16:54 other than the OBS Sep 13 20:17:06 but each package can be "make"ed Sep 13 20:17:11 that is what feels pretty troubling Sep 13 20:17:28 make world will make every required package in turn Sep 13 20:18:02 lbt : will you ship package from trunk in obs.meego.com ? Sep 13 20:18:04 yeah... but we have a "make world"... Sep 13 20:18:21 on obs.maemo.org there is no Meego 1.0 core package Sep 13 20:18:27 we have that Sep 13 20:18:35 you can build against Meego 1.0 core Sep 13 20:18:37 yes Sep 13 20:18:56 but obs.maemo.org does not supply source for them Sep 13 20:19:03 I feel the community OBS will support apps + surrounds against many releases for a long time Sep 13 20:19:08 hmm Sep 13 20:19:09 you cannot branch Meego 1.0 package Sep 13 20:19:18 no, we can't Sep 13 20:19:26 and we're not planning on that either Sep 13 20:19:32 :/ Sep 13 20:19:41