**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 17 02:59:57 2010 Sep 17 05:42:18 morning Sep 17 06:00:07 Morning Sep 17 06:03:37 reformatting the disk again Sep 17 06:21:18 hey all on the n900 image (weekly) what should work and be visible? Sep 17 06:26:27 sejo, #meego-arm Sep 17 06:29:52 thx! Sep 17 07:18:51 bloody wiki edit bug Sep 17 07:27:53 is it just me or is it really hard to follow some of the meego-dev threads when half of the replies are inline in RTF/html without any hints on whats a reply and what the quote is? :P Sep 17 07:47:27 Morning, all Sep 17 07:49:17 morning Sep 17 07:51:51 hellooo0oo Sep 17 08:28:57 Myrtti, the 'british' repo is probably mine. The one with XBMC? It's about as british as... well I'm french and i'm living in spain... Sep 17 08:29:24 when is there going to be an 'extras'? Sep 17 08:29:50 * RST38h moos at the world Sep 17 08:48:58 mornings Sep 17 08:49:31 lbt, morning Sep 17 09:06:24 hey anybody know if MeeGo can be installed on the Toshiba AC 100 ? Sep 17 09:10:55 I guess notebook version of Meego runs on any Atom laptop... isn't it? Sep 17 09:11:21 Well..... Sep 17 09:12:03 the AC 100 isn't atom .. it's ARM Sep 17 09:12:17 I'm curious if it's been rooted yet Sep 17 09:12:19 :) Sep 17 09:12:47 That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would you root it ;) Sep 17 09:12:53 someone was taking about arm yesterday Sep 17 09:13:10 because I don't want android on it Sep 17 09:13:39 I'd rather just put MeeGo or ubuntu remix on it Sep 17 09:15:06 I'm not sure Netbook UX is working for ARM atm. Sep 17 09:15:27 or build Sep 17 09:16:46 hehe. Sep 17 09:17:03 Handset UX would be interesting though. Sep 17 09:18:09 Btw, the specs for that device can't be right. 8 hours of use time? I'm guessing that android port doesn't use any power management then. Sep 17 09:18:26 An A9 should run a lot longer on such a huge battery. Sep 17 09:20:10 my atom is advertised as runnable for ~10hours :/ Sep 17 09:21:41 X-Fade, it's probably because of the rather large screen Sep 17 09:22:05 also at 800 grams the battery can't be very big Sep 17 09:23:08 Screen probably has a lot to do with it yes, but still it sounds really low. Sep 17 09:25:16 theplic, and it gets 4 amiright? Sep 17 09:25:17 well yes I'd like to see one last some 15 hours or more Sep 17 09:25:19 :P Sep 17 09:25:52 even if it's a bit heavier, I would't mind :) Sep 17 09:26:04 Termana: lol. surely not 4 but closer to 6-7 i think. thugh i havent really tried it Sep 17 10:34:35 *yawn* Sep 17 10:34:43 good $timeofday Sep 17 10:35:02 whoa, I wrote a bloody novel to the forum, Sep 17 10:45:17 meh, editing a post kills all the Thanks it has gotten ;___; Sep 17 10:46:29 not afaik - just looks like that Sep 17 10:46:39 until you reload Sep 17 10:46:41 (i think) Sep 17 10:47:05 nope, I lost Bergie's thanks that way just now I think Sep 17 10:47:08 odd Sep 17 10:47:33 or that's how it should work in the ideal world really Sep 17 10:48:00 I could edit my post to have goatse on it after people have thanked me for the post Sep 17 10:48:40 better for the software to reset the thanks after an edit than to assume that people will go and check and unthank if they think it's right Sep 17 10:48:49 Myrtti: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/join_the_helsinki_meego_network/ Sep 17 10:49:34 bergie: :thumbsup: Sep 17 10:50:20 good grief, I really need to track down where my termemu gets the impression I want to use Firefox to open links Sep 17 10:58:46 hey Myrtti Sep 17 10:59:01 ping ali1234 Sep 17 11:01:06 ruddy thing Sep 17 11:01:08 hello people Sep 17 11:59:05 I get the following error in my uxlaunch logs -> http://pastebin.ca/1942793 Sep 17 11:59:29 is dbus-x11 installed? Sep 17 12:00:04 Stskeeps: yes, dbus-x11-1.2.24-7.2.i586 Sep 17 12:00:12 what device Sep 17 12:00:28 netbook Sep 17 12:00:34 SSSE3? Sep 17 12:00:54 yes. It boots meego fine. I am working on it right now.' Sep 17 12:01:10 i created it from a kick start file Sep 17 12:01:22 come services are not running and am trying to debug them Sep 17 12:01:26 some * Sep 17 12:01:39 i noticed this early error in uxlaunch logs Sep 17 12:02:06 polkit consolekit devkit etc are not running Sep 17 12:02:22 i installed x11-setuid as well Sep 17 12:02:51 http://dilbert.com/fast/2010-09-14/ <- this could apply for community management too Sep 17 12:03:22 Stskeeps: http://trac.tspre.org/merbot/freenode/%23meego-arm/log.07-15-2010.txt Sep 17 12:03:41 Stskeeps: look for consolekit Sep 17 12:03:54 no xorg? Sep 17 12:03:55 :P Sep 17 12:04:00 does /usr/bin/Xorg exist? Sep 17 12:04:08 yes it does Stskeeps Sep 17 12:04:11 hrm Sep 17 12:04:21 i don't know about netbook side, sorry Sep 17 12:04:25 i would think permission problems Sep 17 12:04:46 well i do have another netbook running fine with the downloaded img file from the website Sep 17 12:04:58 but this kickstart custom build does not work Sep 17 12:07:35 * CosmoHill has written 2000 words in about an hour :) Sep 17 12:08:09 Stskeeps: I've not read dilbert since they changed their website Sep 17 12:10:42 debayan: is consolekit running? Sep 17 12:12:24 Try using comic strip widget Sep 17 12:12:37 its awesome CosmoHill Sep 17 12:13:57 hello i'm a noob and i've jus installed the handset sdk, half the things dont work...firstly how do i make the keyboard appear? Sep 17 12:14:06 coz anything i type doesnt seem to be recognised Sep 17 12:15:29 lo? Sep 17 12:15:37 anyone here from within intel? Sep 17 12:16:08 hahaha Sep 17 12:16:24 is meego official release? Sep 17 12:16:35 or still for developers Sep 17 12:16:45 officially for devs Sep 17 12:16:46 :P Sep 17 12:16:50 hahaha Sep 17 12:17:52 ieatlint: no it isnt. How do I start it before uxlaunch? Sep 17 12:18:46 lolloo: it works fine on my netbook Sep 17 12:19:34 uh, not sure... but that's your problem Sep 17 12:19:54 hmm Sep 17 12:20:11 don't know how meego lays stuff out Sep 17 12:21:38 one sec, let me setup a chroot to an image and see if i can figure it out Sep 17 12:23:33 DawnFoster: i sent that email, at long last Sep 17 12:24:48 DawnFoster: also, first in line! Sep 17 12:25:20 sjokkis: that's when you find out about the *other* line Sep 17 12:25:42 lbt: the line to get in line? Sep 17 12:25:55 :) Sep 17 12:26:22 looks like chkconfig is the utility to add services Sep 17 12:27:00 hi everyone Sep 17 12:27:04 i wanted to discuss about adding multi user support in meego Sep 17 12:27:06 can somebody direct me how this could be done Sep 17 12:27:08 ( i m new to kernel level ) Sep 17 12:27:57 it has nothing to do with the kernel Sep 17 12:28:40 then can u tell me what needs to be done Sep 17 12:28:45 ? Sep 17 12:28:50 just do it Sep 17 12:30:27 hey lbt (or any packaging wizards) are there any examples of dual mode packaging available? Sep 17 12:30:42 ie, something with a simplistic debai npackage and also a similar matching rpm spec Sep 17 12:30:58 not using any complexities, just the basics to get like for like on the 2 systems Sep 17 12:31:14 mmm Sep 17 12:31:34 just write a debian/ and a .spec Sep 17 12:31:45 they won't overlap Sep 17 12:31:49 well, I am thinking if there is already one there Sep 17 12:31:57 or do you mean OBS? Sep 17 12:32:06 no, thinking packaging itself Sep 17 12:32:18 ie, does shopper have a /debian and an rpm spec yet? Sep 17 12:32:26 or any other apps Sep 17 12:32:37 pick any normal package... wget the debian src and the fedora/meego src Sep 17 12:32:44 no shopper doesn't Sep 17 12:33:11 it's like saying does any package have an INSTALL file and a README file.... Sep 17 12:33:15 ok, i will have a look around for something with simple dependencies Sep 17 12:33:18 and try to do something Sep 17 12:33:19 it's kinda.... well yeah Sep 17 12:33:54 the only interesting thing is in the OBS :) Sep 17 12:34:01 not really Sep 17 12:34:09 obs is one part of it Sep 17 12:34:10 otherwise it's a no-op AFAIUI Sep 17 12:34:35 its possible to build an rpm without obs Sep 17 12:34:51 of course Sep 17 12:35:10 butare you saying that with obs you dont need the spec Sep 17 12:35:22 because obs understands how to make an rpm from the /debian? Sep 17 12:35:42 debian packaging = tarball + debian/ dir rpm packaging = tarball+spec .... dual packaging = tarball+spec +debian/ dir Sep 17 12:35:52 yes Sep 17 12:35:59 it's like saying does any package have an INSTALL file and a README file.... Sep 17 12:36:21 or "how do I add an INSTALL file if there's a README already there" Sep 17 12:36:26 no, i asked if you know of a specific package which does have those things Sep 17 12:36:32 OK ... yes Sep 17 12:36:41 to see comparatively how it was done Sep 17 12:37:39 OK ... what app/package would be an ideal example for you Sep 17 12:37:44 gpodder? Sep 17 12:39:46 lbt, wasnt thinking even complex dependencies, something as simple as hello world app which will show a qt window when you built and as .deb on maemo, and do the same when built and installed as an rpm on meego Sep 17 12:40:13 but the same source and project etc Sep 17 12:40:18 "code once, deploy anywhere maemo and same on meego when built as rpm" Sep 17 12:40:25 balls VNC lag Sep 17 12:40:38 "code once, deploy anywhere" Sep 17 12:41:18 gpodder I understand will take longer, that involves many more dependencnes and has people looking now Sep 17 12:41:31 I know theres been a preview, but its a more indepth thing Sep 17 12:42:36 lbt - if can be used as a reference to help people with their more complex packaging Sep 17 12:42:53 OK .. this has nothing to do with dual mode then Sep 17 12:43:00 yes Sep 17 12:43:03 you just need to teach how to rpm package Sep 17 12:43:10 and how to deb package Sep 17 12:43:12 "i have XYZ app on maemo and its packaged only for maemo" Sep 17 12:43:38 OK .. that would be "how do I convert from deb to spec".... understood Sep 17 12:43:38 "how could I also target meego without having to rewrite" Sep 17 12:43:47 it's training material Sep 17 12:43:50 but in example form Sep 17 12:43:52 yes Sep 17 12:43:59 you can't auto convert really Sep 17 12:44:05 sure Sep 17 12:44:12 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/A_Short_RPM_Tutorial Sep 17 12:44:34 there are some on the meego wiki too Sep 17 12:44:41 there's rpmschool Sep 17 12:46:40 cool lbt, so that fedora example will work or will it still need meegoisms? Sep 17 12:47:21 it's a good start ... the rpmschool in meego wiki should be better.... not looked at it recently Sep 17 12:47:21 blasted lag Sep 17 12:47:53 ok great - thats a decent start anyway, thanks david \o Sep 17 12:48:15 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Deb_conversion_example Sep 17 13:28:31 hello Sep 17 13:28:50 can please somebody help me, i think i've messed everything up with meego and the nokia n900 Sep 17 13:29:23 after flashing i only see a tux in the left-upper corner of the screen Sep 17 13:29:35 a soft-reset (akku) doesn't help Sep 17 13:29:51 i cannot go into the usb mode anymore - is it damaged? Sep 17 13:30:04 frightened-start: did you use flasher -l -k -b or -f -l -b? Sep 17 13:30:36 i used -f -k .. -r Sep 17 13:30:56 following this instruction: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/NAND Sep 17 13:31:53 right, you should have used /MMC Sep 17 13:32:04 MMC? Sep 17 13:32:08 yeah, install onto mmc Sep 17 13:32:13 frightened-start: pull battery and flash original maemo kernel Sep 17 13:33:01 Stskeeps: how? when i remove the battery, it won't start in usb mode by pressing "u" Sep 17 13:33:10 frightened-start: what OS do you run? Sep 17 13:33:45 i formerly used maemo, but tried to flash meego...by now there is no os booting only the damn tux showed on the screen Sep 17 13:33:55 no, on your pc Sep 17 13:34:01 oh Sep 17 13:34:05 windows vista 32 bit Sep 17 13:34:17 do you know how to flash maemo back? Sep 17 13:34:25 no Sep 17 13:34:48 right, pull battery while i find the instructions for you.. Sep 17 13:34:48 because to flash memo back i have to use the usb - mode, right? but i cannot go into usb - mode Sep 17 13:34:50 no Sep 17 13:34:59 it's only in some circumstances you have to Sep 17 13:35:09 i personally never do that Sep 17 13:35:23 n900 << batt removed Sep 17 13:35:48 just before we continue, i should remind you what the page you pointed to said Sep 17 13:35:52 WARNING: Flashing MeeGo to your N900 will permanently erase your settings and may cause damage to your device. This image is meant for experienced developers only. Improper use or installation of the image may harm your device. With the open image, the battery management is not functional, so you may cause damage to your device. We do not take any responsibility for the damage that may be caused to your device. Sep 17 13:36:08 with that said, let's see if we can restore your OS.. Sep 17 13:36:16 ok Sep 17 13:36:26 basically, don't get mad if we can't get it working :) Sep 17 13:36:34 thank you ;-) Sep 17 13:37:15 what location are you at? US? Sep 17 13:37:19 Germany Sep 17 13:37:37 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php - put in your IMEI and grab RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Sep 17 13:39:06 you mean the thrid and not the actual release? Sep 17 13:40:25 frightened-start: hm, RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Sep 17 13:40:26 sorry :) Sep 17 13:40:58 got it Sep 17 13:42:45 Stskeeps: download completed Sep 17 13:43:17 ok, now flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Sep 17 13:43:51 the n900 connected without battery to the pc? Sep 17 13:44:09 ok, so do it in this order Sep 17 13:44:49 take out usb cable, battery out. plug in usb cable from pc to device. put in battery Sep 17 13:47:46 Stskeeps: WOW! its flashing Sep 17 13:47:48 good Sep 17 13:47:55 Stskeeps: i used the wrong order Sep 17 13:48:09 now, can i scold you for not knowing how to handle that before trying out something experimental? ;) Sep 17 13:48:40 good that it's working Sep 17 13:48:49 i would recommend putting your device on wall charger for at least an hour. Sep 17 13:49:38 Stskeeps: the thing i am really ashamed of is that i am a student of comp. sc. and i was not able to install that linux Sep 17 13:49:52 frightened-start: ah, don't worry, i have a masters and occasionally i'm stumped by issues too Sep 17 13:49:55 you learn things the hard way Sep 17 13:50:08 :-) Sep 17 13:50:21 can i do something for you? i mean the help Sep 17 13:50:29 you gave me was great Sep 17 13:50:38 next time, use wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC (install to a microsd) Sep 17 13:50:41 non-destructive Sep 17 13:50:58 and no need, - report bugs on our releases (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php) and we're happy :) Sep 17 13:51:06 and perhaps get into meego Sep 17 13:51:15 (even better to try and fix/add a patch Sep 17 13:51:27 Stskepps: i will go off and buy a microsd Sep 17 13:51:52 i had to do the same today myself, i fried two of my microsds with too much meego work :) Sep 17 13:52:03 though i think travelling a lot and going through x-ray scans might have helped Sep 17 13:52:04 :-) Sep 17 13:53:36 so thanks really a lot to you Stskeeps Sep 17 13:53:48 np, good luck Sep 17 13:53:51 i go and get a msd Sep 17 13:54:10 bye and hope to see you again Sep 17 14:04:55 slaine, Ping? Sep 17 14:05:07 dneary: ACK Sep 17 14:05:27 slaine, Cén chaoi ina bhfuil tu? Sep 17 14:05:36 is that rot13? Sep 17 14:05:36 :P Sep 17 14:05:47 Stskeeps, Secret code. Like finnish Sep 17 14:06:07 Except fewer people understand it :) Sep 17 14:06:34 Stskeeps, By the way, I've been meaning to ask - have you guys seen any engagement from people involved in Linaro with the MeeGo on ARM project? Sep 17 14:06:53 well, there's at least one sitting in #meego-arm :) Sep 17 14:07:05 Stskeeps, kiko? Sep 17 14:07:08 no, asca Sep 17 14:07:11 asac Sep 17 14:07:34 Adding to auto-joins lurker list :) Sep 17 14:07:37 linaro's a really odd size but when you understand they're basically a pool of resources devoted to further and sanitize ARM in Linux, it makes more sense.. Sep 17 14:07:53 so you might not see them directly, but in upstream work you would Sep 17 14:07:54 Yeah Sep 17 14:08:03 Tá mé go maith. Agus tu fein ? Sep 17 14:08:07 Had a good chat with a contact in ST Ericsson about it Sep 17 14:08:14 slaine, Go measra Sep 17 14:08:31 dneary: and we do see some STE people in #meego-arm too.. Sep 17 14:08:34 slaine, An bhfuil GPS agat? Sep 17 14:09:48 Níl, ta mo iPhone marbh. Ta se san ospidéal Sep 17 14:10:41 dneary: basically i see meego ARM growing, especially considering attendees and talks in meego conference Sep 17 14:11:00 slaine, Níl N900 agat? Sep 17 14:11:12 Stskeeps, Cool Sep 17 14:11:43 slaine, Might be easier just to go to /msg :) I'm at the limits of my gaeilge Sep 17 14:12:28 sure Sep 17 14:12:38 same here, was fun though :) Sep 17 14:13:24 ARM is important for MeeGo Sep 17 14:13:44 even if Intel's Medfield blows ARM away, ARM will continue to be relevant for a while Sep 17 14:14:07 anyway, for Linaro, I've seen some people here and there Sep 17 14:14:25 not active engagement in our distro discussions, but as long as they help the kernel and toolchains, I'd be satisfied Sep 17 14:14:25 I can't see x86 being competitive in the Cortex segments for a while yet. Sep 17 14:14:44 GAN900: any reason besides power consumption? Sep 17 14:15:05 thiago, mostly it comes down to that. Sep 17 14:15:31 Unless we get some sort of ridiculous battery advancement coming to market in the next couple of year. Sep 17 14:15:32 I haven't seen Medfield and I don't know what is being targetted, but I'm sure Intel is working to become competitive Sep 17 14:15:52 And so far nothing's been particularly impressive. Sep 17 14:16:13 my guess is that it will take two years for Atom to be on the same ballpark as ARM Sep 17 14:16:17 especially the OMAP Sep 17 14:17:12 The x86 architecture advantage is steadily becoming irrelevant with open source on the rise. Sep 17 14:20:19 I'm sure AMD and Intel disagree :) Sep 17 14:22:47 power you can solve on both the supply side and the consumption side Sep 17 14:22:54 heat is another matter Sep 17 14:23:11 well, if you increase the supply without decreasing the consumption, then ARM will still be better Sep 17 14:23:20 it will mean the device will stay longer in stand-by mode Sep 17 14:24:04 right, i'm saying that better supply could get you to a stage where its good enough Sep 17 14:25:11 thiago, most certainly. Sep 17 14:25:37 thiago, but as speaking the consumer, the final decision really isn't theirs to make. *g* Sep 17 14:26:12 how about a high-tech ARM cpu with a little x86 core on the side? Sep 17 14:26:29 Unfortunately ARM doesn't meet many people's definition of "good enough" these days, so x86 is going to be hard pressed to. Sep 17 14:26:34 pupnik_, to what end? Sep 17 14:26:55 pupnik_: huh? Sep 17 14:26:59 run a low-power OS and be able to launch x86 software in a vm/emu Sep 17 14:27:03 GAN900: what do those people find lacking? Sep 17 14:27:26 pupnik_: right... so emulating x86 on a low-power CPU... that sounds like a recipe for disaster Sep 17 14:27:43 embedded doesn't always mean pocket size mobile Sep 17 14:27:51 better speed and less power than emulating in software Sep 17 14:30:01 How to resolve this problem while building rpm locally : Sep 17 14:30:02 running aaa-meego-accelerator postinstall script Sep 17 14:30:02 chroot: cannot run command `sh': No such file or directory Sep 17 14:30:02 running bash-x86-arm postinstall script Sep 17 14:30:02 chroot: cannot run command `sh': No such file or directory Sep 17 14:30:02 initializing rpm db... Sep 17 14:30:03 chroot: cannot run command `rpm': No such file or directory Sep 17 14:30:27 lokesh: what OS? Sep 17 14:30:39 I just cleared the buildroot and tried osc build Sep 17 14:30:42 Meego Sep 17 14:30:52 lokesh: yes, but what is osc running on? Sep 17 14:30:56 using linux Sep 17 14:31:01 ubuntu Sep 17 14:31:33 didnt have any problems when i was building i586 Sep 17 14:31:33 right, you need to get qemu-arm Sep 17 14:31:38 ok Sep 17 14:31:46 i don't have a ubuntu url handy sadly, just a fedora one Sep 17 14:31:49 * Stskeeps looks Sep 17 14:52:16 yeh thanks Sep 17 14:52:18 that helped Sep 17 14:52:27 however now i get another error Sep 17 14:52:59 make[1]: *** write jobserver: Bad file descriptor. Stop. Sep 17 14:52:59 make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... Sep 17 14:52:59 make[1]: *** write jobserver: Bad file descriptor. Stop. Sep 17 14:52:59 make: *** [/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/sputnik5_33915/mw/build/qmake/../../external/lua/src/liblua.a] Error 2 Sep 17 14:52:59 make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... Sep 17 14:53:21 well, we're getting closer Sep 17 14:53:26 could you paste the whole build log? Sep 17 14:53:34 pastie.org, not here :) Sep 17 15:02:16 thiago, well, getting through a day of moderate-heavy use on a mobile computer would go a long way. Sep 17 15:03:49 Stskeeps : http://pastie.org/1165028 Sep 17 15:06:02 lokesh: looking Sep 17 15:08:43 lokesh: cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled Sep 17 15:09:10 0 Sep 17 15:09:23 hmm Sep 17 15:10:45 lokesh: what qemu-arm did you fetch? Sep 17 15:11:11 i qemu-common 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.2 qemu common functionality (bios, documentati Sep 17 15:11:11 ii qemu-kvm 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.2 Full virtualization on i386 and amd64 hardwa Sep 17 15:11:11 ii qemu-kvm-extras-static 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.2 static QEMU user mode emulation binaries Sep 17 15:11:25 ok Sep 17 15:24:42 stskeeps : did u figure out the problem ? Sep 17 15:24:58 just mail me if u do Sep 17 15:25:05 no, not offhand Sep 17 15:25:07 my mail id : lokesh.k.goel@nokia.com Sep 17 15:25:16 i have some ideas but we can take it on monday Sep 17 15:25:20 sure Sep 17 15:25:30 see you on Monday then. Sep 17 15:25:36 yep Sep 17 15:25:36 have a nice weekend :) Sep 17 15:25:44 you too - and thanks for hacking on fennec for us Sep 17 15:26:20 no problem. Thanks for your help. cyu. Sep 17 15:28:06 i've spent too much time with meego. Sep 17 15:28:10 i just tried to rpm -i a deb package Sep 17 15:28:59 don't you need to use alien to install a deb package for rpm? Sep 17 15:29:04 probably Sep 17 15:29:37 cosmohill, does that ever work properly? Sep 17 15:29:49 think so Sep 17 15:29:54 I used it ages and ages ago Sep 17 15:30:16 how does it translate the dependancies though? Sep 17 15:30:38 don't think it does really Sep 17 15:31:51 is there a guide to how to add services to libsocialweb? Sep 17 15:34:27 must make a right mess Sep 17 15:44:55 bye! Sep 17 15:45:20 (ops, wrong chan!) Sep 17 15:45:29 bye though ;) Sep 17 15:45:36 xD Sep 17 15:45:59 no seriously, bye Sep 17 15:46:01 leave! Sep 17 15:46:02 :P Sep 17 16:07:28 Stskeeps: -dev is quiet today.... Sep 17 16:08:11 lbt: Everyone's driving round to you with pitchforks Sep 17 16:08:26 heh Sep 17 16:09:07 I notice there was no answer as to whether they *wanted* a solution... Sep 17 16:09:07 lbt: i'm pondering to suggest something along lines of: an package may only have 3rd party dependancies that are available from the installation source Sep 17 16:09:16 Stskeeps: mmm Sep 17 16:09:26 lbt: if the installation source is a .rpm only, this means "only meego core" Sep 17 16:09:36 I don't see what's wrong with my proposed wording Sep 17 16:09:55 if a depends is missing.... no install Sep 17 16:10:27 i can't access my gmail atm now anyway Sep 17 16:10:44 I heard there may have been ml problems? Sep 17 16:10:54 Time to work through the rest of the spec thread. Sep 17 16:11:31 the one argument that made sense was ... if the vendor installs SDL as part of their differentiation Sep 17 16:11:45 lbt: we had some issue with unsubscribes for bouncing Sep 17 16:12:01 DawnFoster: OK ... nothing serious then :) Sep 17 16:12:21 we're working on getting people resubscribed Sep 17 16:12:36 I don't see the point of crippling open source stuff trying to mandate something to operators while simultaneously pandering to their despicable business practices. Sep 17 16:12:39 DawnFoster: ah, that's a handy way to stop a thread out of control ;) Sep 17 16:12:41 Jaffa: that one is valid.... and I really don't have a problem with working to understand real problems Sep 17 16:12:45 ha! Sep 17 16:12:54 DawnFoster: yeah... it was convenient ;) Sep 17 16:13:27 Stskeeps: I'd still like Arjan and Mike to say "we *want* to solve this .... help us" Sep 17 16:14:03 anas raises a good question though Sep 17 16:14:05 rather than the (rather arrogant?) "we haven't got an answer and you can't possibly understand how complex it is" Sep 17 16:14:12 'That is what I am saying, if I have library libXYZ from meego installed and working and someone adds the same library with a new version and other options in some other enabled repo, the dependency resolver will not take libXYZ from that other repo. Sep 17 16:14:16