**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 19 02:59:56 2010 Sep 19 06:29:24 morning Sep 19 06:54:17 morning mat Sep 19 08:38:37 sivang: booh ;) Sep 19 08:45:17 leinir: her :) Sep 19 08:45:42 leinir: actually, this was intended to be "hey" however it would have been less amusing :) Sep 19 08:45:59 Morning Sunday IRCers Sep 19 08:48:24 darn. sunday snuck up on me Sep 19 08:48:27 didn't even notice Sep 19 08:48:37 still feels like saturday night somehow Sep 19 08:48:46 johnx: tell me about it... Sep 19 08:48:56 johnx: imagine for where I am from, Sunday is a regular work day. Sep 19 08:49:24 i'm amazed to see a bunch of meego-commits mails on a sunday Sep 19 08:49:25 :P Sep 19 08:49:29 hehe Sep 19 08:49:41 ugh. I'm too lazy to cope with working on a sunday Sep 19 08:50:14 hmm, maybe I should get a drink while my meego image builds :> Sep 19 08:50:53 *giggles* Very true, yes :) Though, i must say, it would've not been the first time someone used that pronoun to refer to me ;) Sep 19 08:53:30 ;) leinir Sep 19 08:54:14 th0br0: ;) Sep 19 08:56:03 leinir: which pronoun ? Sep 19 08:56:37 Stskeeps: you just reminded me that I want to subscribe to -commits, I htink that's the last mailing list I am missing Sep 19 08:56:42 sivang: "her" ;) Sep 19 08:56:46 leinir: ah! Sep 19 08:56:47 hehe Sep 19 08:57:10 leinir: I used to call dholbach of Ubuntu fame like this as well, so it wasn't so far :) Sep 19 08:57:56 sivang: you'll regret it :) Sep 19 08:58:01 sivang: a lot of mails there Sep 19 09:00:53 Stskeeps: I imagine, however I am quite trained at filtering thorugh K's of emails in 1-2 hours each day from my Ubuntu days :) Sep 19 09:01:10 Stskeeps: where they are commits, that is- if it is more "meaningful" this does becomes an issue Sep 19 09:01:52 commits are best read at meego-commits Sep 19 09:02:47 "It's a must" (tm) Sep 19 10:17:17 what's qlineedit replacement for meego/layoutitem Sep 19 10:18:39 * thiago_home wouldn't use anything else Sep 19 10:20:42 but qgraphicslayout accepts only qgraphicslayout items such as MLabel or MButton ... Sep 19 11:25:05 wb dneary Sep 19 11:25:17 Stskeeps, Thanks Sep 19 11:25:27 I swear real people don't read my blog only spammers Sep 19 11:27:06 CosmoHill, link? (to your blog) Sep 19 11:27:22 http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2010/09/03/qmake-on-powerpc/ Sep 19 11:27:39 * thiago_home had a lot of spam recently Sep 19 11:27:40 I got what I wanted tho, If you google "qmake powerpc" it's the first or second hit Sep 19 11:27:54 my junk mail folder says 8484 :/ Sep 19 11:28:22 hasn't increased at all since my friend shut down his mail server Sep 19 11:28:56 CosmoHill, u r famus Sep 19 11:28:56 :P Sep 19 11:29:10 first or second hit on google Sep 19 11:30:40 it's definartly being used a lot more this year :) Sep 19 11:31:03 basically anything I struggled with and takes a while to fix, I'll put up there to help others Sep 19 11:41:41 CosmoHill, That's a short term gain for a long term hit Sep 19 11:41:57 CosmoHill, Don't allow tracebacks or comments from spammers, you'll regret it... Sep 19 11:42:17 they all go into a pending box Sep 19 11:42:29 none of them show up on the website unless I allow them Sep 19 12:05:23 X-Fade: ping Sep 19 13:14:43 when building libmeegotouch from git, I get "undefined reference to `MMashupCanvas::MMashupCanvas(QString const&, QGraphicsItem*)'" Sep 19 14:11:27 either the LFS server is going pop or it's being DoD'd Sep 19 14:11:36 *DoS Sep 19 14:22:20 CosmoHill: DDoS'd ? Sep 19 14:22:27 maybe Sep 19 14:22:37 server just times out, both IRC and HTTP Sep 19 14:34:35 CosmoHill, WORKSFORME Sep 19 14:34:52 ? Sep 19 14:35:02 yeah it comes and goes Sep 19 14:42:51 Jaffa: Stskeeps ping Sep 19 14:57:16 lbt, pong Sep 19 15:12:08 lbt: pong Sep 19 15:14:56 Jaffa: qry Sep 19 15:49:45 The cmake setup for the current version of the python-meegotouch package says that it needs a file FindShiboken.cmake, which doesn't appear to be installed by shiboken. Where can I get such a file? Sep 19 15:52:46 isn't it bundled with python-meegotouch? Sep 19 16:06:47 thiago_home: it doesn't appear to be. :( Sep 19 16:07:24 I have the 0.1.0 distribution, and the current copy from git, and neither of them contain a FindShiboken.cmake file Sep 19 16:08:11 * thiago_home can't find it either Sep 19 16:08:13 contact the authors Sep 19 16:10:20 thanks Sep 19 17:45:34 MeeGo: Ignoring input, experience and expertise from the Maemo Community since 2010. Sep 19 17:46:14 what now? Sep 19 17:49:16 wrt compliance? not being ignored is my perception Sep 19 17:49:26 ignoring usually amounts to not responding, at all ) Sep 19 17:54:12 GAN900: care to elaborate? Sep 19 17:54:15 hey auke Sep 19 18:07:25 I've added some files to the wiki for the Nexus port, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD Sep 19 18:12:15 vgrade: Cool; what works, OOI? (Since it's MWKN night) Sep 19 18:15:04 Jaffa: So (to save time reading the mailing list) have you already been told to stuff it in relation to the no-external-deps rule or are the real powers still showing a resemblance of discussion? Sep 19 18:16:12 RST38h: There are efforts to forge a new path (e.g. Stskeeps' proposal), but no obvious willingness or persuadedness of the spec keepers Sep 19 18:16:58 Jaffa: i think we're not yet at a solution - i personally see merit to some of their views from a strictly technical angle Sep 19 18:17:47 Stskeeps: From a strictly technical angle with an eye to pre-testing all possible MeeGo packages (wherever they may be) for compliance. Sep 19 18:18:14 Stskeeps: Rather than "from a strictly technical angle amongst those most prolific developers for existing mobile Linux platforms" Sep 19 18:18:45 Jaffa: But is this rule applicable only to the stuffin their appstore / ovi store? Sep 19 18:18:53 Jaffa: Do community repos even need to follow it? Sep 19 18:18:59 the rule doesn't matter in practice, just as a sticker Sep 19 18:19:07 RST38h: This rule is applicable for anything wanting to be "MeeGo Compliant". It's not entirely clear what that label will be used for, Sep 19 18:19:33 RST38h: However, I'd imagine that if your package isn't compliant you wouldn't be able to call if "X for MeeGo" (c.f. Maemo trademark guidelines) Sep 19 18:19:48 Ok. Then the question is:"how valuable is the sticker"? Sep 19 18:20:16 the compliancy is about being able to use the trademarked name Sep 19 18:20:23 Ah ok Sep 19 18:20:24 it has to be RAND Sep 19 18:20:46 Jaffa: So, it will still be ok to use "X for Harmattan" then? Sep 19 18:21:06 Jaffa: could i ask you to try and make a proposal based on the post 'The key problems that must be solved' ? Sep 19 18:21:09 i want change my n900 to meego Sep 19 18:21:19 Stskeeps: its mostly a market thing, technical is just a part Sep 19 18:21:19 Jaffa: post that contains, that is Sep 19 18:21:27 Stskeeps: Written by? Sep 19 18:21:30 Stskeeps: You? Sep 19 18:21:31 Jaffa: by me Sep 19 18:21:43 Stskeeps: Will do. Won't be this evening as it's MWKN night Sep 19 18:21:55 Jaffa: :nod: i have an intense headache atm anyway so Sep 19 18:22:47 berndhs: i'm taking the devil's advocate role, as if we were put to the technical and organisational task of making a test-able sticker that says 'that a MeeGo compliant application Sep 19 18:22:51 indicated for a certain version, profile and architecture MUST install Sep 19 18:22:52 successfully on a MeeGo-compliant device running this version, profile Sep 19 18:22:54 and architecture' Sep 19 18:23:06 berndhs: we can argue all we want but until we put ourselves in their shoes, we won't understand the full challenge. Sep 19 18:23:24 whose "theirs"? Sep 19 18:23:43 Stskeeps: right, but we can't pretend it is entirely technical, that won't get anywhere either Sep 19 18:23:43 Stskeeps: And is the requirement for an application, or a package? Sep 19 18:23:58 Jaffa: similar challenges Sep 19 18:24:07 both Sep 19 18:24:13 no,no, Jaffa is making sense Sep 19 18:24:19 it is a valid workaround Sep 19 18:24:28 helmp me! Sep 19 18:24:38 but a non-compliant application will never produce a compliant package... Sep 19 18:24:47 If this requirement only applies to an APPLICATION, then you can always claim an application to be a set of packages it depends on Sep 19 18:24:56 fachrifay: you haven't said what your problem is yet Sep 19 18:25:15 thiago_home: Indeed; but "application" is less technically well-defined than a "package". A package can be more standalone. Sep 19 18:25:16 fachrifay: do you expect to make phonecalls? Sep 19 18:25:19 and, as long as they have compatible licenses, you are ok Sep 19 18:25:31 RST38h: ++ Sep 19 18:25:50 when meego go out for n900 by nokia?? Sep 19 18:25:55 fachrifay: it isn't Sep 19 18:26:05 the big compliance issue is libraries, not really applications Sep 19 18:26:36 berndhs: could i ask you to make a proposal as well? contraints are in the post i mentioned above Sep 19 18:26:42 constraints Sep 19 18:26:42 Jaffa, re Nexus, I have software X, EGL and GLES, touch is working but I need to get it rotated. Sep 19 18:27:02 Stskeeps: let me scroll back see if i can find it Sep 19 18:27:24 berndhs: search for The key problems that must be solved ,, in message body, by carsten@maemo.org Sep 19 18:28:13 maemo have many bugs eror Sep 19 18:28:23 fachrifay: then complain to nokia care Sep 19 18:28:24 Jaffa, kernel reports, light sensor, headset, touchscreen, keypad?, nav, compass, accelerometer, usb Sep 19 18:30:11 hei' Sep 19 18:32:11 hei Sep 19 18:32:49 fachrifay, Stskeeps has a point. if you experience some real system problem then go down official support pathways Sep 19 18:32:58 coolboy: please don't message me Sep 19 18:33:11 why? Sep 19 18:33:30 coolboy: always ask permission before you PM someone Sep 19 18:33:31 impolite and shows you haven't read the irc guidelines Sep 19 18:34:01 oke im sorry :( Sep 19 18:35:24 coolboy: Asking for permission is done via /sign nickname Sep 19 18:36:14 CosmoHill, stop messaging me asking for credit card details Sep 19 18:36:26 okay Sep 19 18:36:29 debit card? Sep 19 18:36:44 sure Sep 19 18:36:44 hei Sep 19 18:36:46 gimme your digits Sep 19 18:36:54 lcuk, I DO NOT wanrt those Russian ladies, got enough here Sep 19 18:37:05 n900, coolboy, fachrifay: cloning is considered bad form and might get you banned from the freenode IRC network Sep 19 18:37:09 how about meego on nokia n900 Sep 19 18:37:20 Guest83245: what about it? Sep 19 18:37:25 Guest83245: please remove your other clones Sep 19 18:37:45 n900, coolboy, Guest83245: so i'd like you to restrict yourself to one connection or you'll be banned from here Sep 19 18:37:53 Jaffa: Actually, that thread is of great entertainment value, considering that enabled-by-defsault Extras were surprise to arjan Sep 19 18:38:07 Jaffa: Hell, Extras in general appear to be a surprise to arjan =) Sep 19 18:38:24 hohoho Sep 19 18:38:57 extras' isn't without problems though Sep 19 18:39:08 All things have problems Sep 19 18:39:08 remember the fm radio (i think) fiasco and microphone problems? Sep 19 18:39:26 can I kick him? ^.^ Sep 19 18:39:33 Yea, but shit happens, and as long as itis quickly cleaned up, everybody is ok with it Sep 19 18:39:36 hey all you taking about? Sep 19 18:39:58 CosmoHill: Yes, but only if you have got a really good kick comment. No fun otherwise =) Sep 19 18:40:11 RST38h: well I have three ties Sep 19 18:40:27 curse you chanserv, wrong person :p Sep 19 18:41:22 "third time banned" Sep 19 18:42:10 * CosmoHill gives Stskeeps a cookie Sep 19 19:00:33 what's the correct way to get MP3/gstreamer support on meego? Sep 19 19:00:51 i could install from rpmfusion f13 but that can't be the right way Sep 19 19:01:15 seem to be missing gstreamer-plugins-ugly Sep 19 19:02:34 and gstreamer-plugins-bad Sep 19 19:10:28 rpm --nodeps -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm ; pm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm Sep 19 19:10:30 :-) Sep 19 19:11:39 using --nodeps is obviously not recommended Sep 19 19:12:17 Stskeeps: FM Radio was *not* a fiasco. Sep 19 19:12:29 Stskeeps: A problem was identified, the package pulled and a fixed version uploaded. Sep 19 19:12:56 not being able to play mp3's is more of a fiasco :-) Sep 19 19:12:59 Stskeeps: Any external package system has problems: Ovi is full of buggy, crashing, half-complete, non-optified crap too Sep 19 19:13:40 lol ovi Sep 19 19:13:45 * lbt takes some flu-medication and tried to read the compliance thread Sep 19 19:13:47 * npm hand edits /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion* Sep 19 19:13:50 lbt: nokian flu? Sep 19 19:14:17

Sep 19 19:14:24 yup Sep 19 19:14:40 wife's sick and i have a massive headache, wonder if my bug activated too Sep 19 19:14:58 * lbt has a 7am flight too :( Sep 19 19:15:14 oh boy Sep 19 19:15:18 still meego ldap works... Sep 19 19:15:19 that sounds delightful :p Sep 19 19:15:32 the barrier to obs opening up is gone :D Sep 19 19:16:34 Yay! Sep 19 19:17:58 * npm sed -i 's|^#baseurl|baseurl| ; s|^mirrorlist|#mirrorlist|' /etc/yum.repos.d/rpmfusion*free*repo Sep 19 19:18:00 lbt: let me get my shades for the bright future :) Sep 19 19:18:05 getting there... Sep 19 19:18:19 berndhs: at last Sep 19 19:19:01 lbt: so how much ahead of schedule? :) Sep 19 19:19:21 actually a full month ahead of our last plan Sep 19 19:19:27 excellent Sep 19 19:19:48 yeah... I think I've decoupled OBS from the SSO Sep 19 19:20:04 which is a good thing Sep 19 19:20:27 not using SSO is a good thing? that's probably the first time in maemo/meego history I've heard -that- :-p Sep 19 19:20:47 no, not "not using", decoupled Sep 19 19:20:59 there's a plan to deploy SSO Sep 19 19:21:08 it will use ldap as the underlying DB Sep 19 19:21:11 well that worked :-) Sep 19 19:21:14 I've deployed the ldap Sep 19 19:21:26 and can do manual sync to it from meego.com Sep 19 19:21:31 so it's "nearly sso" Sep 19 19:21:44 where the first "S" is "Shared", rather than "Single" Sep 19 19:21:51 oh yes Sep 19 19:22:03 good point though Sep 19 19:22:24 we may be able to do full single at some point... Sep 19 19:22:32 but the OBS needs osc/python too Sep 19 19:22:40 so that complicates things Sep 19 19:22:48 Can't you just store my username in a cookie for *.meego.com, and trust that? ;-p Sep 19 19:23:00 that's what *I* said... Sep 19 19:23:12 well i'm now yum updating from rpmfusion, and installing all the missing gsteamer plugins Sep 19 19:23:25 Pft, I bet some "security" "architect" said it'd be "insecure" Sep 19 19:23:34 I did Sep 19 19:23:43 I love arguing with myself Sep 19 19:23:48 * Jaffa does too. Sep 19 19:23:51 I always win !! Sep 19 19:23:55 Stskeeps: the whole discussion ignores our data with Extras. Sep 19 19:23:55 I love arguing with you ;-) Sep 19 19:24:07 arguing is good Sep 19 19:24:09 Stskeeps: it's symptomatic of the project, though, ignoring experience from Maemo. Sep 19 19:24:14 shall we argue with Stskeeps? Sep 19 19:24:20 ;) Sep 19 19:24:20 i have a headache, let's not Sep 19 19:24:31 GAN900: that's very generalising.. Sep 19 19:24:32 "MeeGo World" Sep 19 19:24:39 lbt: Nah, been there, done that. Sep 19 19:24:40 * lbt shuts up about that Sep 19 19:24:50 Stskeeps: likely, but I don't really care. Sep 19 19:24:57 Where's gerbick, geneven, SD69 or so on when you need them. Sep 19 19:25:19 i thought geneven was seen on forums.meego.com Sep 19 19:25:22 berndhs too Sep 19 19:25:25 i might be wrong Sep 19 19:25:45 Stskeeps: You might be right Sep 19 19:26:22 http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=2683 Sep 19 19:26:35 0 posts. Sep 19 19:36:25 vgrade: http://www.anglia.ac.uk/ruskin/en/home/business/facilities.html Sep 19 19:43:08 CosmoHill, I was looking for venues yesterday Sep 19 19:43:15 I read your post Sep 19 19:43:32 CosmoHill, I was looking for free venues Sep 19 19:43:48 I was going to ask about student discounts Sep 19 19:44:28 Many of the student rooms mentioned that student could book rooms free Sep 19 19:45:17 The only other place I found mention of free rooms was the Town Hall but I could not find a website for them, I'll give them a ring tomorrow Sep 19 19:46:18 vgrade: Pubs often have rooms they'll let out for functions for free Sep 19 19:46:29 Dawn put me in touch with a couple of contacts one of which has come back to me with an offer of intel netbooks for the evening Sep 19 19:46:30 vgrade: Mainly cos they're after the bar takings :) Sep 19 19:46:30 and libraries Sep 19 19:46:39 kyb3R: Libraries don't have beer, though. Sep 19 19:46:47 Jaffa: right Sep 19 19:46:56 I'd have to drive Sep 19 19:47:04 kyb3R: Depending on your sensibilities (and the event), this may or may not be a good thing. Sep 19 19:47:57 qgill also promised he would find some N900 hardware also Sep 19 19:48:14 vgrade: What's the event, btw? Sep 19 19:48:36 Jaffa: Cambridge MeeGo Meeting Sep 19 19:48:50 Cambridge Local MeeGo Meeting Sep 19 19:49:05 Bit far for me. Sep 19 19:49:10 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1377 Sep 19 19:49:14 how far is far? Sep 19 19:49:18 And I'm too busy to organise a London or Warwickshire one. Sep 19 19:49:38 CosmoHill: Full length of A14 over from Cov and then down the M11. Probably about a 90 minute drive each way Sep 19 19:51:18 CosmoHill, let me know if you have any luck at ARU Sep 19 19:54:02 just re-read that link, 'A mock courtroom'. Sep 19 19:54:41 oh yes Sep 19 19:54:48 I'll get a picture of it tomorrow if you'd like Sep 19 19:55:10 might be a goo place to host some of the discussions on -dev Sep 19 19:55:20 good Sep 19 19:55:38 in the mock court room? Who would be the judge? Sep 19 19:56:14 good point Sep 19 19:57:19 Good night Sep 19 20:00:31 i've created a monster.. (meegolem) by adding fedora13 and rpmfusion to /etc/yum.repos Sep 19 20:01:10 i guess that'll make installing kde apps easier :-) Sep 19 20:01:12 fedora 13 D: Sep 19 20:01:58 the roxterm i'm using to access the meego box is from f13 Sep 19 20:03:15 hey dazo_afk Sep 19 20:03:15 i will consider the exercise successful when i can play an mp3 Sep 19 20:03:33 i have no idea why playing an mp3 has a dependency on openjdk, but so be it :-) Sep 19 20:07:03 nmp, wonder what compliance would say about that :) Sep 19 20:07:14 vgrade: I know at chelmsford we have some nice little rooms. one can seat about 8 and has a monitor on the wall for presentations Sep 19 20:09:20 well my kid'll be asking me to install something else if i can't play his mp3's... it's a MAJOR FAIL not to have access to "nonfree codecs" Sep 19 20:10:29 npm: major fail would be getting your name wrong in the exam Sep 19 20:11:17 not really, then there's be no record of failure Sep 19 20:12:29 nmp, only joking about compliance, just stuck me as amusing after the recent discusions Sep 19 20:12:50 Linuxes that succceed try to make it easy to run flash plugins, mp3 decoders, and codecs for watching dvd's etc Sep 19 20:13:34 and all have a documented menthod of intalling nonfree codecs etc after the fact so as to keep the lawyers happy Sep 19 20:13:48 s/menthod/method s/intalling/installing Sep 19 20:14:28 * lbt is about to (knowingly) use a mono app Sep 19 20:15:11 I prefer stereo Sep 19 20:15:22 better yet, dolby digital! Sep 19 20:15:28 nah.... quadrophonic Sep 19 20:15:54 I guess if I run mono on a quad-core .... Sep 19 20:16:37 i prefer ambisonics Sep 19 20:18:05 ooh... it's just like java Sep 19 20:18:13 painful? Sep 19 20:18:26 no, the crash report is bigger than the scrollback... Sep 19 20:18:34 lol Sep 19 20:19:24 what pillock ever thought a stack-dump was a good default error report? Sep 19 20:20:09 apparently mono doesn't have a concept of "depends" Sep 19 20:43:42 hi Sep 19 21:01:08 is there an sdk image available for 1.0.x? Sep 19 21:22:14 DawnFoster: ping (meego-architecture seems to be missing off http://meego.com/user/me/user_mailman_register) Sep 19 21:23:01 jaffa - that's because it ins't set up yet Sep 19 21:23:15 and none of the architects are subscribed :) Sep 19 21:23:21 created, but not ready for use Sep 19 21:23:40 DawnFoster: Ah, I'm sure I saw an email on meego-dev recently saying "go use meego-architecture" instead. Which surprised me, cos I hadn't seen an announcement :-) Sep 19 21:23:42 As soon as we get it up and running, we'll add it to the list Sep 19 21:23:54 yeah, not sure what he was thinking :) Sep 19 21:23:58 DawnFoster: I'll scrap the MWKN article highlighting it then :-) Sep 19 21:24:04 please! Sep 19 21:24:17 done :) Sep 19 21:37:42 anyone debugging with gdbserver on qemu meego's image? Sep 20 01:50:32 Is there any known problem in libmeegotouch which would cause an app that previously ran fine to start spitting out X errors as of about yesterday? I'm getting this from a program that used to work: http://pastebin.ca/1944666 Sep 20 02:18:24 marnanel, eep Sep 20 02:18:53 * marnanel suspects I'm going to have to reinstall or something :( Sep 20 02:19:38 is this from full sdk? Sep 20 02:21:21 yes Sep 20 02:21:32 um, for the handset ux, I mean Sep 20 02:22:26 how often does it get updated that the problem might just go away during tomorrow? Sep 20 02:22:33 have you noticed any bugs about it Sep 20 02:27:11 * marnanel hasn't found any bugs about it, from searching on any obvious keywords. It might have gone away tomorrow, though Sep 20 02:28:11 hmm it would be a shame to have to rebuild sdk for one regression Sep 20 02:32:56 okay, if I yum erase libmeegotouch, the problem goes away, so it's presumably a libmeegotouch problem Sep 20 02:33:10 also all the proper decoration goes away, but you can't have everything :) Sep 20 02:37:50 marnanel, hmm perhaps file it or at least bring it to attention of devs in the morning Sep 20 02:38:15 * marnanel nods, good plan Sep 20 02:38:15 thanks Sep 20 02:46:58 got it, it's specifically libmeegotouch-qtstyle. when that's installed, it breaks. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 20 02:59:57 2010