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Sep 21 05:44:38 <TermanaN900> yello
Sep 21 06:31:28 <Mat_Matan> morning
Sep 21 07:50:17 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Sep 21 07:50:22 <Stskeeps> morn
Sep 21 07:51:24 <slaine> morn
Sep 21 07:58:08 <mairas> morning, folks
Sep 21 07:58:24 <Stskeeps> morn mairas
Sep 21 07:58:53 <mairas> what's the canonical way of finding out what is included in MeeGo Core OS?
Sep 21 07:59:15 <mairas> I had just assumed that anything in the repo (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/) would be there but got conflicting information on the mailing list
Sep 21 07:59:20 <Stskeeps> mairas: well, seperate between core compliance and core
Sep 21 08:00:01 <mairas> Stskeeps, well, I'm probably interested in core compliance
Sep 21 08:00:09 <Stskeeps> mairas: i think when the package groups are fixed to match architecture, those are the ones..
Sep 21 08:01:21 <mairas> Stskeeps, and anything that doesn't fit, just isn't part of the compliance set?
Sep 21 08:01:31 <Stskeeps> uncertain
Sep 21 08:01:35 <mairas> nice
Sep 21 08:01:37 <Stskeeps> i think what matters is how things look for 1.2
Sep 21 08:02:07 <mairas> I'm asking because I'd like to push PySide into MeeGo Core
Sep 21 08:02:16 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Sep 21 08:02:40 <Stskeeps> the best way is to get it adapted on roadmap as a [FEA]
Sep 21 08:02:43 <Stskeeps> too late for 1.1
Sep 21 08:02:46 <mairas> and was using pygtk as a reference - it's in the repos, so I assumed that would be in
Sep 21 08:03:15 <mairas> Stskeeps, 1.2 is OK, I think the maturity level isn't *quite* there yet
Sep 21 08:03:25 <mairas> but for 1.2 definitely so
Sep 21 08:05:12 <mairas> Stskeeps, so, the feature requirements are submitted to bugzilla?
Sep 21 08:05:43 <Stskeeps> right
Sep 21 08:05:44 <Stskeeps> sec
Sep 21 08:06:29 <Stskeeps> http://meego.com/developers/meego-roadmap
Sep 21 08:06:50 <mairas> Stskeeps, yep, I've kept staring at it for the last couple of minutes :-)
Sep 21 08:07:54 <mairas> I'll just make a sanity check f2f with the local architects (assuming I ever manage to catch them) and make a request - thanks!
Sep 21 08:08:02 * mmeeks wonders if hbons is around
Sep 21 08:08:25 <Stskeeps> mairas: sakari poussa and mikko ylinen i'd guess
Sep 21 08:08:34 <mairas> Stskeeps, exactly
Sep 21 08:08:46 <Stskeeps> wandering by their offices sometimes help :)
Sep 21 08:09:09 <mairas> Stskeeps, esp. Poussa, I guess, this being a core os issue
Sep 21 08:09:28 <mairas> Stskeeps, been trying to do that but their calendars don't look too encouraging ;-)
Sep 21 08:12:51 <Stskeeps> meh.. as with any company, calendars are usually indicated as all full, but when you observe the subject, he/she might not be busy :)
Sep 21 08:12:59 <tekojo> mairas: first mail the architects (Arjan, Sakari) and tell them that pyside is nice
Sep 21 08:13:14 <tekojo> then if they can't make a resolutio, then mail the TSG
Sep 21 08:13:52 <mairas> tekojo, yep
Sep 21 08:14:28 <mairas> but it's actually not solely about pyside - there's a need for some other python packages as well
Sep 21 08:14:33 <mairas> I mean, internal need
Sep 21 11:31:49 <TheSheMullet> Hi Everyone
Sep 21 11:32:09 <Stskeeps> hi
Sep 21 11:33:18 <TheSheMullet> Is anyone getting an issue with wireless disconnecting randomly but repeatedly
Sep 21 11:33:30 <Stskeeps> device, which UX?
Sep 21 11:33:36 <TheSheMullet> seems to be no reason for it, happens on any wireless network
Sep 21 11:33:44 <TheSheMullet> acer aspire one 533 using netbook edition
Sep 21 11:34:08 <TheSheMullet> wireless worked straight off, didn't need to do anything
Sep 21 11:34:44 <Stskeeps> not sure sorry (working on handset)
Sep 21 11:35:41 <TheSheMullet> ok so, thanks
Sep 21 11:52:05 <timeless_pidgin> Stskeeps, please say http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Browser is built automatically using bugzilla queries
Sep 21 11:52:39 <timeless_pidgin> Dawnfoster: if those tables aren't, please tell someone (everyone) not to waste wiki resources on such things :(
Sep 21 11:54:00 <Stskeeps> timeless_pidgin: http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Project/Browser&action=edit&section=4
Sep 21 11:54:03 <Stskeeps> they are
Sep 21 11:56:10 <vilvo> We're about to start our weekly qa-tools sync meeting at #meego-meeting in five minutes
Sep 21 11:56:38 <Stskeeps> cool
Sep 21 12:32:40 <thiago> arjan: ping
Sep 21 12:50:35 <kontio> to fix bug 6186, we are supposed to add a contactsd.desktop to autostart contactsd... under which path shall it go?
Sep 21 12:51:31 <FunkyPenguin> slaine, biggest issue ive found so far with Smeegol - race conditions with the panels
Sep 21 12:51:44 <slaine> FunkyPenguin: eek
Sep 21 12:51:47 <slaine> not nice
Sep 21 12:52:11 * slaine has been tracking down vlc thread lock bugs
Sep 21 12:52:49 <kontio> jausmus, to fix bug 6186 where should we but the .desktop file?
Sep 21 12:52:50 <slaine> FunkyPenguin: how is that manifesting ?
Sep 21 12:53:02 <FunkyPenguin> yeah, it's a real pita - completely random on both the same machine and different machines
Sep 21 12:53:14 * slaine shudders
Sep 21 12:53:22 <slaine> sounds like my last couple of weeks
Sep 21 12:53:33 <slaine> seems to be fixed upstream in latest code for me at least
Sep 21 12:53:49 <slaine> or it's harder to trigger ;)
Sep 21 12:54:06 <FunkyPenguin> slaine, well some of the panels just appear to be broken. example is MyZone will display the last item on the screen, web panel refuses to display anything etc
Sep 21 12:54:33 <Mat_Matan> bry
Sep 21 12:54:44 <FunkyPenguin> thing is im not sure if it's mutter at fault or what :/
Sep 21 12:55:05 <slaine> FunkyPenguin: you mean mutter-moblin
Sep 21 12:55:09 <slaine> I assume
Sep 21 12:55:20 <slaine> mutter wouldn't have anything to do with it.
Sep 21 12:55:23 <FunkyPenguin> err yeah :)
Sep 21 12:55:29 <slaine> Wonder if it's dbus issues ?
Sep 21 12:55:35 <FunkyPenguin> ah could be
Sep 21 12:55:50 <slaine> they all communicate via dbus so that'd be where I'd look
Sep 21 12:55:53 <FunkyPenguin> i need to try and find time to see if i can get 1.1 built
Sep 21 12:56:29 * FunkyPenguin heads off to find someone more knowledgable in the dealings of d-bus
Sep 21 12:56:35 <FunkyPenguin> slaine, thanks for the pointer
Sep 21 12:56:38 <slaine> np
Sep 21 12:57:11 <slaine> double check the hdd stuff too before rushing off and buying anything based on my inane ramblings ;)
Sep 21 12:58:40 <FunkyPenguin> heh, having a look now
Sep 21 13:33:09 <DawnFoster> reminder that the community office meeting starts in 30 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings
Sep 21 13:33:47 <Stskeeps> i'd much rather be in the CO meeting than in the bank meeting i'm supposed to attend and listen to some guy trying to sell me a bank product :/
Sep 21 13:33:54 <Stskeeps> sigh, real life sucks ;)
Sep 21 13:43:19 <ScottishDuck> DX10/11 now implemented in gallium3d
Sep 21 13:43:21 <ScottishDuck> very cool
Sep 21 13:44:12 <lolloo> wow
Sep 21 13:44:16 <lolloo> where?
Sep 21 13:44:23 <lolloo> can you link me?
Sep 21 13:44:39 <lolloo> ScottishDuck, can you link me please
Sep 21 13:45:28 <ColKilkenny> sounds like phoronix.com stuff
Sep 21 13:45:47 <ColKilkenny> and it is :D http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=mesa_gallium3d_d3d11&num=1
Sep 21 13:59:30 <ScottishDuck> lolloo: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=92617aeac109481258f0c3863d09c1b8903d438b
Sep 21 14:04:44 <lcuk> #meego-meeting community office meeting underway
Sep 21 14:06:12 <Jartza> hmm
Sep 21 14:06:24 <Jartza> should I become Qt-certified trainer
Sep 21 14:19:07 <slaine> sivang: yes, there was a general volunteer area
Sep 21 14:20:16 <sivang> slaine: right so I should just add to my profile that I signed there?
Sep 21 14:20:35 <slaine> that's what's I'm doing
Sep 21 14:26:07 <DawnFoster> slaine: sivang: exactly what we need :)
Sep 21 14:39:06 <niala> hello, question: on meego-1.0-netbook-chromium-20100524.1 I tried install qt4.7 with meegotouch ( http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/installation.html )  but when i try to compil http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/tutorial.html i have a black screen
Sep 21 14:39:57 <niala> with error Could not find view class for: MNavigationBar / ""
Sep 21 14:39:57 <niala> Could not find view class for: MHomeButtonPanel / ""
Sep 21 14:39:57 <niala> Could not find view class for: MHomeButtonPanel / ""
Sep 21 14:40:05 <niala> etc .....
Sep 21 14:49:38 <ddompe> X-Fade: ping
Sep 21 14:50:50 <ddompe> X-Fade:  hi, I'm interested on testing the community OBS, and try to add myself to the wiki page, but the login for the wiki is rejecting me with "incorrect password" for my newly created meego account
Sep 21 14:53:21 <townxelliot> ddompe: try logging into the main meego.com site, then going to the wiki
Sep 21 14:53:37 <ddompe> townxelliot: thanks, that worked
Sep 21 14:54:05 <ddompe> X-Fade: I added my information for the community OBS in the wiki
Sep 21 14:54:49 <townxelliot> ddompe: there are a couple of issues with the SSO between the website and the wiki: some because of cookies going out of sync; and some because MediaWiki insists on showing its own login, even though I've tried to turn it off everywhere
Sep 21 14:55:28 <ddompe> townxelliot: I understand, I maintain some mediwikis as well internally
Sep 21 15:30:08 <Khertan> Hi ...
Sep 21 15:30:16 <Khertan> i' ve done a yum upgrade
Sep 21 15:30:27 <Khertan> but as the process seems freezed
Sep 21 15:30:38 <Khertan> after a wifi disconnect reconnect
Sep 21 15:30:53 <Khertan> i do a ctrl-c to kill yum
Sep 21 15:30:57 <Khertan> and relaunch it
Sep 21 15:31:09 <Khertan> now the rpmdb seems broken
Sep 21 15:31:20 <slaine> rpm --rebuilddb
Sep 21 15:31:29 <Khertan> yeah ... but what ...
Sep 21 15:31:41 <Khertan> just a ctrl c can break the db
Sep 21 15:32:38 <Khertan> sudo rpm --rebuilddb Thread died ... fatal errpr
Sep 21 15:32:48 <slaine> no, but disconnecting from the network during a network bound transaction probably didn't do it much good
Sep 21 15:32:56 <slaine> nasty
Sep 21 15:33:10 * slaine wonders if btrfs has rollback support enabled
Sep 21 15:33:15 <Khertan> hum ... ok
Sep 21 15:33:43 <Khertan> god ... i was thinking that rpm tools cannot be so bad as used by other distro ...
Sep 21 15:33:50 <Khertan> but ... ouch ... this is really annoying
Sep 21 15:35:37 <slaine> you could try
Sep 21 15:35:41 <slaine> sudo rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
Sep 21 15:36:02 <slaine> sudo rpm -vv --rebuilddb
Sep 21 15:37:51 <Khertan> yep i found that in the yum bugtracker
Sep 21 15:38:00 <Khertan> the rebuild is still in progress
Sep 21 15:38:17 <slaine> in the bad old days I used to have to run that a lot
Sep 21 15:38:37 <slaine> it's literally been years since I've had to
Sep 21 15:39:11 <Khertan> ouch ... i should redownload every package of the update
Sep 21 15:39:23 <sivang> apt was once susceptible to that as well
Sep 21 15:39:34 <sivang> or maybe it still is
Sep 21 15:39:54 <Khertan> don't know i never got any problems with apt during 10 years
Sep 21 15:40:05 <berndhs> all these problems will go away when we have the compliant stuff :P
Sep 21 15:40:26 <slaine> all the packages that downloaded should be in /var/cache/yum
Sep 21 15:41:03 <Khertan> the compliant stuff
Sep 21 15:41:08 <sivang> ?
Sep 21 15:43:53 <sivang> berndhs: hat is the compliant stuff?
Sep 21 15:44:21 <berndhs> its the stuff about one repo that the spec thread has been arguing about
Sep 21 15:44:44 <berndhs> no more extras and other mixed repos, just the core
Sep 21 15:48:12 <Khertan> i didn't understand well how one repo can resolv the database break problem
Sep 21 15:48:31 <Khertan> i ve try ctrl c a second time
Sep 21 15:48:38 <Khertan> database corrupted again
Sep 21 15:48:38 <Khertan> :)
Sep 21 15:54:55 <AbhiJit> hello
Sep 21 15:55:00 <AbhiJit> is meego for laptops?
Sep 21 16:03:37 <AbhiJit> is now meego stable to install by end user?
Sep 21 16:06:21 <andre__> AbhiJit: MeeGo Netbook 1.0 is available. However it's missing quite some features. Release 1.1 is planned for end of October.
Sep 21 16:06:48 <AbhiJit> andre__, can i install it in my 'netbook'? hp compaq presario a965tu
Sep 21 16:06:55 <AbhiJit> ohhhhhhhhhh soryyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Sep 21 16:06:59 <AbhiJit> its 'NOTEBOOK'?
Sep 21 16:07:22 <andre__> you can try. Don't know for your specific hardware if all drivers are available.
Sep 21 16:07:30 <AbhiJit> andre, thankyou
Sep 21 16:07:42 <andre__> but you might run into problems...
Sep 21 16:08:09 <AbhiJit> :o
Sep 21 16:08:21 <AbhiJit> andre__, why? e.g.?
Sep 21 16:10:07 <andre__> AbhiJit, I wrote " Don't know for your specific hardware if all drivers are available."
Sep 21 16:10:26 <AbhiJit> andre__, ok np
Sep 21 16:12:10 <AbhiJit> andre__, bye
Sep 21 16:33:38 * poutsi just realized we didn't have proper introductions at the tampere network meetup since he didn't catch anybody's irc nick :p
Sep 21 16:34:11 <Stskeeps> hehe, did it go well?
Sep 21 16:35:09 <Myrtti> poutsi: aww. at BarCamp we used masking tape for name tags
Sep 21 16:35:11 <Stskeeps> poutsi: maybe it'd be a recommendation for other events, put your contact info / nickname on a paper or something
Sep 21 16:35:26 <Myrtti> (my idea, I might add=
Sep 21 16:35:29 <poutsi> yep, everybody was all meatspace now
Sep 21 16:35:37 <poutsi> but it was good
Sep 21 16:35:40 <Myrtti> good good
Sep 21 16:35:59 <Myrtti> was the sponsored food & drink nice too? ;-)
Sep 21 16:36:20 <Myrtti> there was that, wasn't there? *worries*
Sep 21 16:36:27 <poutsi> more coffee next time >;)
Sep 21 16:37:04 <poutsi> nah, twas great
Sep 21 16:37:14 <Myrtti> hehe, great :-)
Sep 21 16:37:31 <poutsi> i was famished, and lo and behold, subs!
Sep 21 16:37:41 <poutsi> well partials
Sep 21 16:38:12 <poutsi> but anyhoo... hope turnout is as good next time, musta been round 20 ppl
Sep 21 16:41:13 <poutsi> wondrer what the boss'd say if i sprung this parking charge on him
Sep 21 16:41:25 <Myrtti> well, have to remember the masking tape next time. I know Demola peeps have some wide enough one for name tags.
Sep 21 16:41:35 <poutsi> I'm building community, there's costs dammit
Sep 21 16:41:47 <Myrtti> all it needs is waterproof marker and a a roll of the masking tape
Sep 21 16:43:31 <Myrtti> poutsi: awww shut up. I paid for the meetup.com-thing from my own pocket and didn't even think of reimbursing anyone >___< but nice that you liked the subs, courtesy of my employer :-P
Sep 21 16:43:56 <Myrtti> s/reimbursing/asking for reimbursement from/
Sep 21 16:43:56 <infobot> Myrtti meant: poutsi: awww shut up. I paid for the meetup.com-thing from my own pocket and didn't even think of asking for reimbursement from anyone >___< but nice that you liked the subs, courtesy of my employer :-P
Sep 21 16:54:11 <poutsi> Myrtti: our undying gratitude: you can haz it :) and seriously speaking I'm not about to  go thru the hassle of getting compensation for 4 euros ;)
Sep 21 17:55:45 <Myrtti> my brain is clearly on overdrive
Sep 21 18:14:20 <Stskeeps> auke: ping
Sep 21 18:18:08 <sjokkis> DawnFoster: did you see the recent replies to the hardware queue thread?
Sep 21 18:18:14 <auke> Stskeeps: sup
Sep 21 18:18:34 <Stskeeps> auke: how much do you know about crashdb.meego.com and 'good' ways to deal with debuginfo?
Sep 21 18:18:59 <auke> I maintain corewatcher, factually I own crashdb together with kaitlin
Sep 21 18:19:12 <Stskeeps> we are starting to notice how horrible it is with 1gb qt debuginfo and such and wondered what on earth can be done to make debugging easier on handsets
Sep 21 18:19:22 <auke> although we're not farming crashdb atm
Sep 21 18:19:33 <auke> Stskeeps: this is why I don't like rich-core that much
Sep 21 18:19:47 <auke> it's only going to flood the server.... hence the corewatcher approach
Sep 21 18:19:59 <auke> with corewatcher we can just do high level statistics
Sep 21 18:20:05 <auke> which is really what we want
Sep 21 18:20:18 <auke> developer-focussed core debugging is best done manually :/
Sep 21 18:20:27 <Stskeeps> is corewatcher more portable than abrt? (i assume it's the replacement)
Sep 21 18:20:40 <auke> yeah, and it's tiny
Sep 21 18:20:57 <auke> all it does is gdb 'bt' and http POST them
Sep 21 18:21:01 <auke> basically
Sep 21 18:21:26 <Stskeeps> is this within user session or?
Sep 21 18:21:40 <auke> corewatcher runs as root (daemon)
Sep 21 18:21:49 <Stskeeps> cos occasionally we have connman crashes :)
Sep 21 18:21:49 <auke> there's a notification applet
Sep 21 18:22:14 <auke> if you've seen kerneloops, you've seen corewatcher
Sep 21 18:22:24 <auke> arjan wrote it, I fixed it :)
Sep 21 18:22:45 <Stskeeps> i guess our most common problem is that when we've gotten around to debugging, the debuginfo info packages in testing or where-ever has moved on
Sep 21 18:22:53 <Stskeeps> cos of rebuilds
Sep 21 18:22:59 <auke> that's the next big thing I want to solve
Sep 21 18:23:08 <auke> zypper && debuginfo install
Sep 21 18:24:19 <Stskeeps> i think i've seen mention of 'debug' images in some other OS'es which was the images built but with debuginfo included
Sep 21 18:24:25 <Stskeeps> (of course seriously big)
Sep 21 18:24:34 <auke> they're atrociously large
Sep 21 18:24:45 <auke> but, so they should
Sep 21 18:25:04 <auke> but with zypper we don't have a nice way to install debuginfo, as far as I can tell
Sep 21 18:25:25 <auke> either I'm going to hack a script to zypper-debuginfo-install --recursive /path/to/binary
Sep 21 18:25:29 <Stskeeps> it would be nice to simply send a core and get a bt back and what debuginfo packages you ought to install.. or something
Sep 21 18:25:38 <auke> or that
Sep 21 18:25:41 <auke> there's a way
Sep 21 18:26:06 <auke> but our debuginfo packages are not built properly with Provides: debuginfo(build-id)=$sha1
Sep 21 18:26:18 <auke> I'm not sure why
Sep 21 18:27:00 <auke> I spent 2 hours this weekend trying to figure out who inserts the required provides into the debug rpms :/
Sep 21 18:36:55 <Stskeeps> eh
Sep 21 18:37:04 <Stskeeps> debuginfo includes the entire source code?
Sep 21 18:37:41 <Stskeeps> i'm just wondering why i see the correct code in gdb :)
Sep 21 18:42:41 <auke> yes
Sep 21 18:42:49 <auke> that's how the debuginfo-extract tools work
Sep 21 18:43:02 <Stskeeps> well, i guess that explains the size ;)
Sep 21 19:05:16 <auke> localhost klogd: [508832.014492] Process meego-panel-pas (pid: 17837, ti=c948c000 task=c96380f0 task.ti=c948c000)
Sep 21 19:05:29 <auke> brilliant, pasteboard segfaults every time I select something
Sep 21 19:05:38 <thiago_home> security feature
Sep 21 19:05:40 <auke> I just found the perfect crashdb test program
Sep 21 19:05:42 <auke> :)
Sep 21 19:06:12 <Stskeeps> you've obviously never tried fennec-qt on ARM then
Sep 21 19:06:15 <Stskeeps> crash on startup ;)
Sep 21 19:07:29 <auke> fantastic, I can imagine the CVE text already: User can pwn the box by cleverly crafter text-editor text and selecting it with the mouse
Sep 21 19:09:24 <Denji> I, uh, have a question. 8U Is there a less colourful theme for meego? Gonna try out the live distro but all the screenshots are like, BRIGHT RAINBOW BRIGHT PRIMARY COLOURS and I don't want that. D:
Sep 21 19:09:41 <Stskeeps> Denji: it's a way to motivate people to make more themes
Sep 21 19:09:47 <Denji> Hahaha.
Sep 21 19:09:50 <auke> Denji: lol
Sep 21 19:10:10 <auke> boring gray? install Xfce4 with the default gtk theme :)
Sep 21 19:10:27 <Denji> I suppose. =o
Sep 21 19:10:48 <Denji> I'm just trying all sorts of different distros for my netbook.
Sep 21 19:11:05 <Stskeeps> i wonder how a goth meego theme would be like
Sep 21 19:11:14 <Stskeeps> pierced meegons with black hair?
Sep 21 19:11:15 <Denji> Ew.
Sep 21 19:11:26 <auke> meegoth?
Sep 21 19:11:32 <CosmoHill> lol
Sep 21 19:11:44 <auke> I'd be more interested in MeeGaGa
Sep 21 19:11:50 <CosmoHill> Meegoth: MeeGo for teenagers
Sep 21 19:11:57 * CosmoHill bops auke 
Sep 21 19:12:02 <auke> lunch afk
Sep 21 19:12:03 <Stskeeps> no, that's Meemo
Sep 21 19:12:39 <berndhs> or Che avatars for the non-compliant repos
Sep 21 19:12:47 <CosmoHill> laptops are normally black or blood red
Sep 21 19:13:13 <Denji> Let's just hope MeeGo doesn't crap itself like it did with jolicloud or ubuntu netbook remix on this thing.
Sep 21 19:13:32 <RST38h> Mi-Go avatars for non-compliant repos
Sep 21 19:22:34 <Stskeeps> evening lbt
Sep 21 19:22:42 <lbt> hey Stskeeps :)
Sep 21 19:23:05 <lbt> back from a flu-infested Hel
Sep 21 19:23:21 <Stskeeps> (l)? ;)
Sep 21 19:23:35 <lbt> sipping tea with mord's wonderful herby elixir in it :)
Sep 21 19:24:03 * Stskeeps is debugging fennec crashes
Sep 21 19:24:43 * lbt met eric and discussed how we can be uber-draconian RSN
Sep 21 19:24:45 <Stskeeps> seems like things work fine when wchar_t is 2 in one part of a program and in libs it uses has wchar_t as 4 byte size on x86 but on arm it just craps itself and dies
Sep 21 19:25:19 <lbt> that sounds reasonable
Sep 21 19:25:23 <lbt> compiler padding?
Sep 21 19:25:29 <Stskeeps> that's sortof my theory atm
Sep 21 19:37:40 <thiago_home> Stskeeps: huh? anyone compiled code with -fshort-wchar?
Sep 21 19:38:17 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: well, for some reason fennec-qt does this in our arm builds and i'm getting fairly convinced this is a bad thing,.
Sep 21 19:38:45 <thiago_home> does anything in fennec require 2-byte wchars?
Sep 21 19:40:12 <thiago_home> ARM EABI usually saves all the ABI-changing options in the ELF header
Sep 21 19:40:29 <Stskeeps> it's used for NS_LITERAL_STRING and i'm thinking it works withou..
Sep 21 19:40:31 <thiago_home> I don't know if -fshort-wchar is saved there -- my guess it isn't, because otherwise it wouldn't even link
Sep 21 19:40:41 <Stskeeps> it warns pretty loudly
Sep 21 19:40:45 <Stskeeps> in ld
Sep 21 19:40:54 <thiago_home> of mixing different options?
Sep 21 19:40:58 <Stskeeps> yeah
Sep 21 19:41:11 <thiago_home> hrm
Sep 21 19:41:11 <Stskeeps> (not my package fwiw, but i'm diagnosing a fennec crash)
Sep 21 19:41:21 <Stskeeps> or, rather, 'the' fennec crash on ARM
Sep 21 19:41:38 <thiago_home> any Qt code in the backtrace?
Sep 21 19:42:03 <Stskeeps> not as far as i could see, the JS garbage collector basically dies
Sep 21 19:42:26 * thiago_home has the same problem with JavaScriptCore and ICC on 32-bit x86
Sep 21 19:42:51 <thiago_home> I wonder what the KJS developers were smoking when they came up with that garbage collector
Sep 21 19:42:51 <Denji> How good is moblin at seeing stuff on windows networks? :V
Sep 21 19:43:11 <Denji> It's not gonna be like I CAN SEE THEM BUT I CAN'T LOOK AT THEM is it.
Sep 21 19:43:29 <Stskeeps> no need for caps, Denji :)
Sep 21 19:43:41 <Denji> The caps are usually a joke. :V
Sep 21 19:43:51 <Denji> or something.
Sep 21 19:43:55 <Denji> That's supposed to be like DRAMATIC.
Sep 21 19:43:56 <thiago_home> the caps are usually screaming
Sep 21 19:44:01 <thiago_home> or rather, always
Sep 21 19:44:20 <Denji> Nothing says overdramatic like screaming. Anyway.
Sep 21 19:45:23 <kfx> actually the caps are like letters that have on average a slightly higher pixel density per glyph
Sep 21 19:45:32 <kfx> alternately, lowe case is like whispering
Sep 21 19:45:32 * Denji snrrks.
Sep 21 19:45:55 <Denji> So you guys are mumbling and sometimes I have inside voice issues.
Sep 21 19:45:56 <Denji> Horray!
Sep 21 19:46:30 <kfx> pretty fair summary
Sep 21 19:46:38 <thiago_home> kfx: are you sure they are higher density?
Sep 21 19:48:32 <kfx> thiago_home: in a monospaced font, they ought to be
Sep 21 19:48:44 <kfx> since they're the same width but taller
Sep 21 19:48:56 <thiago_home> but caps are usually larger/taller, so shouldn't they be of lower density?
Sep 21 19:49:00 * kfx wanders off to run an analysis
Sep 21 19:49:14 <kfx> thiago_home: no, the glyph size is boxed in a monospace font
Sep 21 19:49:24 <kfx> for instance, all glyphs are, say, 8x16
Sep 21 19:49:29 <kfx> pixels that is
Sep 21 19:49:32 <thiago_home> the width, yes
Sep 21 19:49:47 <thiago_home> but the point is that a lowercase m is less tall than an uppercase M
Sep 21 19:50:21 <kfx> I'm talking about the whole 8x16-pixel array
Sep 21 19:50:33 <kfx> m and M both have the same number of potentially-available pixels
Sep 21 19:52:08 <thiago_home> ah, you're talking about the density of pixels in the available area, not in the area circumscribing the painted pixels :-)
Sep 21 19:54:00 <kfx> right :)
Sep 21 19:56:35 <Denji> --
Sep 21 19:56:37 <Denji> Well that was a fast boot.
Sep 21 19:56:45 <Denji> Less than 10 seconds.
Sep 21 19:57:02 <thiago_home> that's the idea :-)
Sep 21 19:57:38 <Denji> The chrome icon looks really ugly for some reason though.
Sep 21 19:57:40 <Denji> The rest is fine.
Sep 21 19:58:34 <Denji> Also it can't seem to find my wifi card, this may be a problem.
Sep 21 19:59:08 <kfx> Denji: can you do me a favor and /msg me the output of uname -a ?
Sep 21 20:01:41 <Denji> Done.
Sep 21 20:01:57 <kfx> thanks very much
Sep 21 20:12:26 <Kubuntiac> I noticed that the reference to needing port 443 open for Webfinger dissapeared from the Wiki. Has this changed?
Sep 21 20:12:59 <Kubuntiac> Oops. Wrong channel :/
Sep 21 20:13:15 <thiago_home> yeah, I was wondering :-)
Sep 21 20:15:55 <Denji> Well this sucks.
Sep 21 20:16:25 <auke> your vacuum cleaner?
Sep 21 20:16:54 <Denji> I wanted to try MeeGo out for awhile but the wifi won't work, so I found a tutorial online to make broadcom drivers work but I can only do it in an actual installed version of MeeGo and completely destroying the point of trying it out as a live distro.
Sep 21 20:17:07 <Kubuntiac> thiago_home: You don't all run webfinger from your MeeGo boxes? ;P
Sep 21 20:17:49 <thiago_home> Denji: you know who you can blame. Broadcom.
Sep 21 20:18:21 <Denji> Or maybe do what every other distro does and include the drivers or allow them to be downloaded but give a big warning about them being closed source.
Sep 21 20:20:57 * Denji is kind of disappointed because this seemed to be pretty nice and speedy. But the theme kills him and now he can't use wifi, so! Oh well. :v Off to find another distro.
Sep 21 20:21:27 <Denji> Thanks for the help guys. :o
Sep 21 20:25:07 <CosmoHill> I wonder when people will understand the meego is still under development and bring improved
Sep 21 20:25:59 <Stskeeps> it'll be a long time until the usual consumer understands true open development
Sep 21 20:26:09 <Stskeeps> with all the gorey details of how ugly things look during development
Sep 21 20:26:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 21 20:26:49 <RST38h> Why does a consumer need to understand open development?
Sep 21 20:27:38 <Stskeeps> they don't have to, but they'll see snapshots and videos and think it's the final thing
Sep 21 20:27:43 <Stskeeps> so they need to be sortof aware of it
Sep 21 20:27:50 <RST38h> Oh that
Sep 21 20:28:22 <RST38h> Well, they see snapshots and videos of an average Symbian phone (a closed project) andthinkit is a final thing and they still end up being wrong
Sep 21 20:28:26 <Stskeeps> many people understand 'beta' but even fewer understand how 'alpha' a mobile os can look
Sep 21 20:28:30 <Stskeeps> :P\
Sep 21 20:28:40 <RST38h> In fact, they are wrong thinking it is a final thing even when buying it at the store
Sep 21 20:28:51 <Stskeeps> that is true
Sep 21 20:28:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 21 20:29:11 <kfx> the easy solution is to stop posting videos of things the project can't deliver :V
Sep 21 20:29:32 <RST38h> kfx is 100% right
Sep 21 20:29:39 <lcuk> Stskeeps, they expect the earth to be quietly cleared, followed by a smooth erection process, like barn building
Sep 21 20:30:06 <RST38h> lcuk: That sounded... vague.
Sep 21 20:30:08 <lcuk> how we have it resembles an army air drop
Sep 21 20:30:14 <Stskeeps> well, i think this may be the first time we've had the word 'erection' mentioned here
Sep 21 20:30:29 <RST38h> lcuk: How you have it resembles Napoleon's retreat from Russia
Sep 21 20:31:14 * lcuk now cringes as random quote of the month goes to smooth erection
Sep 21 20:31:16 <RST38h> lcuk: Yes, I am very negative and sarcastic again, sorry :)
Sep 21 20:32:41 <lcuk> Stskeeps, I saw some patches on the mailing list today for SMS in the reference apps
Sep 21 20:32:53 <lcuk> is that the first direct patch for new functionality in them for a while?
Sep 21 20:33:27 <Stskeeps> admittedly it's from a nokian but it's been done outside the handset team
Sep 21 20:33:50 <Stskeeps> +ux
Sep 21 20:34:53 <lcuk> its not where they come from that matters, its just good to see :)
Sep 21 21:55:28 * auke starts replying to threads
Sep 21 22:12:05 <CosmoHill> http://i.imgur.com/jacoj.jpg :)
Sep 21 22:19:17 <lolloo> what's stacktrace?
Sep 21 22:20:03 <lolloo> that developer looks like an alien mexican dude who works a gardener for me
Sep 21 22:21:46 <auke> a stack trace is a list of functions that a program executed to a problematic error
Sep 21 22:22:10 <auke> programs put pointers to "return" to the previous function it was in on "the stack"
Sep 21 22:22:30 <auke> so, by looking at the stack, you can see which previous functions were being executed
Sep 21 23:43:56 <purserj> Hey all, I'm running a miniconf within linux.conf.au called mobilefoss. The focus of course will be open mobile platforms such as android. Does anyone mind if I post the link?
Sep 21 23:45:50 <CosmoHill> I'm currently indifferent due to it being 12:44am
Sep 21 23:57:25 <CosmoHill> cyas
Sep 22 00:06:33 <purserj> well here it is for those who are still awake http://mobilefoss.jamespurser.com.au/Call_For_Papers
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