**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 22 02:59:57 2010 Sep 22 04:04:57 <__key__> hi Sep 22 04:05:04 <__key__> tell me, what is meego? Sep 22 04:05:49 * __key__ wonders what meego is Sep 22 04:06:31 I was just about to tell him... Sep 22 04:06:44 Why is everyone so impatient? :P Sep 22 04:09:41 :) Sep 22 05:01:56 hi , I am trying to build meego on my fedora machine, getting the following error: Retrieving http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/xterm-261-1.2.i586.rpm ...OK Sep 22 05:01:56 error: not an rpm package Sep 22 05:01:56 Traceback (most recent call last): Sep 22 05:01:56 File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 821, in Sep 22 05:01:56 ret = main() Sep 22 05:02:14 try clearing out your cache dir Sep 22 05:02:49 @stskeeps... hmm it means I will have to download all the packages again.. Sep 22 05:03:17 it end with the following Error: Failed to run mic inside bootstrap environment. Return code: 1 Sep 22 05:04:44 --run-mode=0 Sep 22 05:05:35 @Stskeeps thanks Sep 22 05:37:25 On my netbook running a newly installed and fully updated MeeGo 1.0, for some reason TTY-switching key combinations that usually require Ctrl-Alt- in X11 are being triggered by Alt-: Alt-Left/Right, Alt-F1, etc. This is a real pain, since I use Alt-Left/Right all the time in my browser; Is there a way to fix this? Sep 22 06:08:00 Krimpet: please file a bugreport on bugzilla.meego.com Sep 22 06:08:25 actually Sep 22 06:08:36 add a comment to #5634 please Sep 22 06:08:59 sofar, I found an existing one: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5634 Sep 22 06:09:04 Yep, that one Sep 22 06:09:11 I commented a few minutes ago. Sep 22 06:09:27 can you update your system and re-test? Sep 22 06:09:35 zypper refresh ; zypper update Sep 22 06:12:36 sofar, zypper update says "Nothing to do." Sep 22 06:14:20 thanks Sep 22 07:13:22 Good $timeofday everyone Sep 22 07:13:33 morn Sep 22 07:14:02 Myrtti: it's always morning when you arrive on IRC, and always evening when you leave :-) Sep 22 07:14:33 thiago_home: I prefer "moin" or "$timeofday" Sep 22 07:14:41 leaves less space for nitpickers Sep 22 07:14:48 moin Sep 22 07:14:49 I know, because I happen to be one Sep 22 07:14:50 :-) Sep 22 07:15:09 * thiago_home uses clock_gettime() more than gettimeofday() Sep 22 07:15:27 and yes, it happens to be morning. It took me three attempts to type 'everyone' correctly Sep 22 07:15:48 so, #meego, what shall we do today? Sep 22 07:16:11 try to conquer the world, pink^H^H^H^HMyrtti Sep 22 07:16:45 \o/ Sep 22 07:57:44 Morning, all Sep 22 08:00:11 morning Sep 22 08:05:43 Stskeeps : ping Sep 22 08:05:55 pong Sep 22 08:09:55 sivang: ping Sep 22 08:10:52 Stskeeps: poinig Sep 22 08:10:56 ;) Sep 22 08:11:08 sivang: did you receive an email regarding accepted talk? Sep 22 08:11:48 Stskeeps: Yes, I did. timeless_pidgin : I noted to you the talk got accepted, and someone on the ML noted not all the registered presenters got the mail, just the submitters. Sep 22 08:12:11 could you fwd timeless_pidgin it? Sep 22 08:12:43 Stskeeps: ofcourse : Sep 22 08:12:54 Is there a bug report about not including registered presenters? Sep 22 08:13:14 That should be documented and fixed for the future Sep 22 08:13:16 timeless_pidgin: good question, I'll look for that and if not open one? Sep 22 08:13:36 timeless_pidgin: you didn't get my last IRC privmsgs eh ? ;) Sep 22 08:14:14 Um, not sure, i think i saw you saying it was accepted Sep 22 08:14:17 But that doesn't mean much to me Sep 22 08:14:34 Infrastructure should do the right thing tm Sep 22 08:15:02 timeless_pidgin: :-) it is a plain acceptance mail, I was going to mail you but haven't gotten to that yet Sep 22 08:15:27 timeless_pidgin: you've got mail (tm) Sep 22 08:16:02 Thanks, but imo it isn't your job. Sep 22 08:16:14 This is just one of those growing pain things Sep 22 08:16:34 Maemo voting didn't go right, so dneary forced extra emails Sep 22 08:16:41 mail is unreliable Sep 22 08:16:46 Meego should force extra emails Sep 22 08:17:23 Dirk noted that mails were not sent to all session prticipants Sep 22 08:17:33 * sivang searches for a bug report Sep 22 08:17:55 * timeless_pidgin needs to check out and search for transit south Sep 22 08:18:11 Oddly enough, i'm going to Dublin... Today Sep 22 08:18:31 timeless_pidgin: hehe Sep 22 08:18:34 As such, visiting there later isn't actually interesting to me. Sep 22 08:19:15 I'll go if someone gets me the money. Sep 22 08:19:31 But i'm not spending my vacation campaigning for money. Sep 22 08:19:43 That'd be stupid Sep 22 08:20:00 timeless_pidgin: hmm, you might get sponsored now that the session got accepted. Sep 22 08:21:19 I got an email removing my sponsorship request Sep 22 08:22:03 timeless_pidgin: hmm, who can we write to? ;) I was starting to count in you being there helping me with the talk/session and the handouts. Sep 22 08:22:12 sivang: corporate is usually excluded (or rather: nokia or intel) Sep 22 08:22:13 No email about an approved talk Sep 22 08:22:13 Just a "fuck off" message Sep 22 08:22:37 hmmm Sep 22 08:23:05 timeless_pidgin, heh. What about trying to get sponsored internally? (Not exact sure how Nokia gives its employees sponsorship internally) Sep 22 08:23:18 Termana: on my vacation? Sep 22 08:23:38 I asked a long time ago and got no response. Sep 22 08:23:38 ah. I guess that's probably a no then :P Sep 22 08:24:21 From my perspective, if someone wants me to attend, they should do the legwork Sep 22 08:24:43 If they want to spend someone else's money, fine, ask someone else. Sep 22 08:24:50 Don't make attendees pander. Sep 22 08:25:10 timeless_pidgin, well, I was thinking YOU might want to attend. But I assume that I was wrong Sep 22 08:25:25 (Rather than having someone else want you to attend) Sep 22 08:26:05 timeless_pidgin: I had the impression you were interested to join the talk? Sep 22 08:26:05 I wouldn't mind attending Sep 22 08:26:25 But i'm not going to burn money i don't have to go to a place i'll be tonight Sep 22 08:26:58 I had to dip into savings last night to start paying for my vacation Sep 22 08:27:07 okay, who can I write you to ask them to send you there to help me with the talk? I think it is a very important one and your input from your experience is important. Sep 22 08:27:14 or rather *important* Sep 22 08:27:31 Qgil is supposedly the coordinator Sep 22 08:27:59 I'm not sure who should poke him. I'm not pinging him until my vacation is over. Sep 22 08:28:07 I will. Sep 22 08:28:18 efficiency in action! Sep 22 08:28:23 It is important to me to try and get this sorted ASAP. Sep 22 08:28:30 so we can start preparing the talk when you are back from vacations. Sep 22 08:28:34 Sivang: i'm certainly interested in joining the talk. Sep 22 08:29:10 But i'm not going to bankrupt myself to do it. Nor am i going to waste my vacation on it. Sep 22 08:29:38 Efforts on my behalf are appreciated. Sep 22 08:29:50 timeless_pidgin: right so it whould be considered work for you, noted, I will start drafting the mail. Sep 22 08:30:27 * sivang guesses there'd be no harm in trying Sep 22 08:30:30 If they think work should pay for it. And it involves asking my management, then it's absolutely work. Sep 22 08:32:36 Anyway, i got your forward Sep 22 08:33:13 Note that the design of that email is such that it'd be trivial for them to write a corresponding one to participants Sep 22 08:33:48 It's probably even a mutually exclusive set of people, so there shouldn't be duplication. Sep 22 08:35:44 timeless_pidgin: yes, he noted it was a glitch in the implementation Sep 22 09:09:56 morn slaine 3 Sep 22 09:10:00 -3 Sep 22 09:10:09 Morning Stskeeps Sep 22 09:10:24 (sigh, irssi addict i am..) Sep 22 09:10:54 Stdkeeps++ :P Sep 22 09:10:59 * Stskeeps Sep 22 09:11:03 I am a typo addict. Sep 22 09:32:45 note to self: remember to give projects search-engine friendly names Sep 22 09:33:11 googling with words like "telepathy" and "contacts" gives some pretty interesting results Sep 22 09:48:40 dammit, I can't login to the cluster Sep 22 10:00:09 My netbook used to support multi-touch gestures on windows. I am now running meego on it, The touchpad is sentelic. Multitouch does does not seem to be working on meego. Sep 22 10:01:04 which UX are you using? Sep 22 10:03:45 CosmoHill: Netbook UX Sep 22 10:04:09 CosmoHill: How do I test for multi touch to begin with? Sep 22 10:04:53 I don't know if you can use multitouch on the netbook UX Sep 22 10:05:19 ah Sep 22 10:06:31 debayan: in ubuntu there's the gsynaptics driver and some support for it, not sure how good it is Sep 22 10:06:46 sivang: ok. will check it out. Sep 22 11:19:47 hello, Sep 22 11:20:16 1 dollar question: Sep 22 11:20:25 what is mthemedaemon Sep 22 11:20:40 [niala@niala-desktop base]$ /usr/bin/mthemedaemon --help Sep 22 11:20:41 MThemeDaemon: Changing theme from "" to "devel" Sep 22 11:20:57 usr/bin/mthemedaemon: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/mthemedaemon: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii Sep 22 11:21:26 try: man mthemedaemon Sep 22 11:21:29 or Sep 22 11:21:31 mthemedaemon --version Sep 22 11:21:56 hi Sep 22 11:21:59 CosmoHill, since he indicated it was a paying question, you should also paste your CC number Sep 22 11:22:14 mthemedaemon is meegotouch [remote] theme daemon Sep 22 11:22:23 it has no command line options :-S Sep 22 11:22:25 that looks a lot like library version mismatch; library itsel is found but it doesn't have the function(s) being used Sep 22 11:22:39 but it seems your themedaemon is broken because of qt upgrade... rebuild needed Sep 22 11:22:40 hello CosmoHill have a nice day Sep 22 11:22:48 lcuk: should I ask if he wants a VAT receipt? Sep 22 11:23:11 I will have a nice day thanks :3 Sep 22 11:23:25 CosmoHill, you should have bartered before answering :p Sep 22 11:24:25 ok; MThemeDaemon: Theme "devel" does not exist! Not changing theme Sep 22 11:24:25 MThemeDaemon: Changing theme from "" to "base" Sep 22 11:24:53 can anybody test themedaemon on is netbook ? Sep 22 11:24:58 on meego of course Sep 22 11:25:19 mthemedaemon --version Sep 22 11:34:46 thx everybody kedz Bostik ; sorry I miss your msg Sep 22 11:46:28 ok i think I must move from meego1.0 to daily or preview, it's for playing with meegotouch ? can I do that with not formating hd? I suppose no. Sep 22 11:46:54 daily or preview? Sep 22 11:50:19 , I search mthemedaemon on git and repos but i didn't found it. Sep 22 11:51:40 niala, it is part of libmeegotouch Sep 22 11:51:57 niala, http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch Sep 22 11:54:56 niala, Sep 22 11:54:57 meego@[meego-netbook-sdk]::~$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/mthemedaemon Sep 22 11:54:57 libmeegotouch-0.20.25-5.1.i586 Sep 22 11:54:57 libmeegotouch-devel-0.20.25-5.1.i586 Sep 22 11:55:12 hi!whats the simplest way of playing a sound in C++ under meego. I tried opening /dev/dsp but to no avail. Sep 22 11:55:53 would you mind not using meego as a nick, it would make things confusing Sep 22 11:56:04 how do i change it? Sep 22 11:56:09 /nick newname Sep 22 11:56:30 hi!whats the simplest way of playing a sound in C++ under meego. I tried opening /dev/dsp but to no avail. Sep 22 11:57:10 now that's a loaded question Sep 22 11:57:20 please go on Sep 22 11:57:45 i meant that there's a world of assumptions in any simple answer Sep 22 11:57:51 newbie: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/examples-multimedia.html Sep 22 11:59:40 i think using phonon maybe simpler: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/phonon-audiooutput.html#details , or using gstreamer... but well it depends on the use-case... Sep 22 11:59:41 is there a way along the lines of open("/dev/dsp",...) ? Sep 22 11:59:49 i do not need a gui Sep 22 12:01:12 newbie, read CosmoHill's link, rewrite the code yourself and refine. Any gui in that example is easily stripped off. Sep 22 12:02:01 thanks Sep 22 12:02:10 if you open /dev/dsp in your program won't you block access to it for all other programs? Sep 22 12:02:26 i do not care, it is just for preliminary testing Sep 22 12:02:48 you should care. If you do open it directly and ti works Sep 22 12:03:05 it will become useless later on when you move away from testing towards later development Sep 22 12:03:24 since you will have to rewrite the code so that other programs will still have access Sep 22 12:04:16 not that it matters in this incorrect case, but afaik only root can write to /dev branches anyway Sep 22 12:04:36 later the sound will be directed to CAN, and yes, I can test as root Sep 22 12:04:47 newbie, it would be interesting to know where you thought /dev/dsp was a viable interface for regular use in the first place Sep 22 12:05:14 and since you are in qt, using the correct qt api is the correct mechanism Sep 22 12:05:24 I am not in qt Sep 22 12:05:59 ok, reasonable enough Sep 22 12:06:10 it is not for regular use, but just to test for a week and then throw out Sep 22 12:06:14 but question stands, what other examples write directly to it? Sep 22 12:06:34 google /dev/dsp Sep 22 12:07:08 why dont you google "playing sound clips" instead :) that way we both save time Sep 22 12:07:21 I tried Sep 22 12:08:04 I should reformulate: how to I acces the soundcard directly in meego, or is qt or phonon necessary? Sep 22 12:08:20 newbie, use the ALSA API directly Sep 22 12:08:33 thanks Sep 22 12:08:40 or PulseAudio Sep 22 12:10:06 and alsa is more simple.. Sep 22 12:10:19 that looks very good, thanks Sep 22 12:11:37 newbie: may I ask how meego would differ from other distros? Sep 22 12:12:37 :) Sep 22 12:16:22 I some how had that impression Sep 22 12:18:57 I guess I looked for info in the wrong place, found alsa-oss but not info on alsa api and then thought the missing snd-pcm-oss was meego specific Sep 22 12:20:07 that reminds me, I need to sort out alsa so I can play UT2004 Sep 22 12:24:14 * spurvewt when explored linux forgot about all games..) Sep 22 12:25:02 linux is a game :) Sep 22 12:25:05 UT3 or something got killed for linux Sep 22 12:25:32 would have been nice if they killed it straight away instead of waiting years to tell us Sep 22 12:28:01 i have a fan of fallout 1,2..) Sep 22 12:28:31 had* Sep 22 12:28:33 do you keep this fan in your basement? Sep 22 12:28:40 ah, he got out? Sep 22 12:30:04 Hello world Sep 22 12:30:43 Is anyone here actually *in* dublin? I'm visiting in an hour or so and having a terrible time finding a place to stay :( Sep 22 12:30:57 CosmoHill, it was my childhood.. so, now there are other priorities of my free times..) Sep 22 12:35:33 CosmoHill, first year of university.. linux.. so, it was my last game..) to this day.. Sep 22 12:43:25 timeless_pidgin: try travelog, primiar inn and hoilday inn Sep 22 12:43:42 or maybe www.visitireland.com Sep 22 12:44:28 Cosmohill: i'm looking south of center, near the castle, i think Sep 22 12:44:50 Hotels.com is basically saying forget-it Sep 22 12:44:52 don't you have GPS on your phone? Sep 22 12:45:06 ah Sep 22 12:45:11 And the hostel searchers i've tried more or less agree Sep 22 12:45:22 I'm at the Belfast train station Sep 22 12:45:39 how about a bed and breakfast? Sep 22 12:45:43 But yes, my n900 says "you are here (in Belfast)" Sep 22 12:46:03 Cosmohill : if you can find one... Sep 22 12:46:13 why are you in belfast? Sep 22 12:46:25 belfast is in a different country Sep 22 12:46:37 I was here for 3 days... Sep 22 12:47:03 so what place you want me to look, anywere in dublin? Sep 22 12:47:10 It's hard to visit the British Isles if you skip one or the other... Sep 22 12:48:26 timeless_pidgin: budget (per night) Sep 22 13:05:00 what is Temple Bar? Sep 22 13:08:25 At this point, i can't remember if it's "not that close" Sep 22 13:23:52 Train out of Belfast is nearly an hour late :o Sep 22 13:29:34 that's not to bad by British Rail standards :p Sep 22 13:31:23 It's actually only the third train i've had this trip that was late. Sep 22 13:31:47 The one out of glasgow (to dublin) was too Sep 22 13:31:59 But only 10 minutes or so Sep 22 13:32:09 I\m off Sep 22 13:37:33 sigh Sep 22 13:37:53 last netbook upgrade seems to have broken sleep/resume on my mini9 Sep 22 13:45:25 Slaine: hey, are you in Dublin now? Sep 22 13:45:38 timeless_pidgin: yeah, hometown Sep 22 13:54:34 wassup? any new meego mobile news? Sep 22 14:01:04 Hey, when i cross from northern ireland into ireland, does my UK sim immediately start roaming? Sep 22 14:01:59 * timeless_pidgin tries to figure out how to ask the n900 to do something useful Sep 22 14:02:21 maybe depends on your contract/network Sep 22 14:02:35 did you read your contract before signing? Sep 22 14:08:03 Oops, sorry, slightly off topic for #meego. Sep 22 14:08:21 Goodbye free internet. Hello international roaming Sep 22 14:08:49 hmmmmmmm Sep 22 14:09:29 thats expensive Sep 22 14:31:28 hello, is c++ the only option for meego programming Sep 22 14:38:12 I suppose python is supported Sep 22 14:38:33 "supported" but not part of MeeGo Sep 22 14:39:49 it's for sure on my meego image that I just fetched Sep 22 14:40:03 but it's not really part of meego officially? Sep 22 14:40:19 correct Sep 22 14:41:25 py_newbie, c++ is part of all linux distributions Sep 22 14:43:36 Tumi_, python is supported by gentoo society for package manager 'emerge'.. so, this langs depends on the tasks to be done..) Sep 22 14:44:48 I have been offered a small meego project, my c++ skills are rusty been 10 years since I used c++, so I wondering if I should invest time in refreshing c++ or if a meego app can be done in py Sep 22 14:46:27 project is for netbook ( not for mobile ) Sep 22 14:47:00 py_newbie, what kind of app? Sep 22 14:48:03 simple reminder app Sep 22 14:48:16 I dont know anything about meego Sep 22 14:48:24 py_newbie, look at meego as linux.. to answer your question..) Sep 22 14:48:40 I think you should use Qt - thus c++ is anyway a better choise Sep 22 14:49:03 py_newbie, oh.. go to the wiki..) Sep 22 14:49:13 Tumi_: how Pyhton is not a good choice with Qt ? Sep 22 14:49:36 I tried :-) meego has lot of options Sep 22 14:49:37 well pyside is kindof ok Sep 22 14:49:49 I dont even have an atom or core 2 cpu Sep 22 14:50:10 Tumi_, you can try PyQt Sep 22 14:50:20 I don't say that c++ is the only good choice with Qt ;) Sep 22 14:50:40 but at least to me, more natural and well supported Sep 22 14:50:59 spurvewt: does PyQt still live? Sep 22 14:52:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyQt Sep 22 14:52:41 Stable release 4.7.6 / September 6, 2010; 11 days ago Sep 22 14:52:43 :) Sep 22 14:53:23 spurvewt: nice! has it been working? Sep 22 14:53:49 I tested pyside like half a year ago and it seemed to be allright Sep 22 14:53:58 Tumi_, i don't try it on meego) Sep 22 14:54:43 py_newbie: to answer to your initial question: in the long run, refreshing c++ skills at some point wouldn't be a bad idea I suppose Sep 22 14:57:05 py_newbie, ye.. if you want to develop any app for meego.. in a good way you should call to mind your skillls in c++ ) Sep 22 14:57:41 spurvewt: thanks Sep 22 15:00:22 py_newbie, http://meego.com/developers/meego-api - can help with developing of your reminder app Sep 22 15:01:14 and http://apidocs.meego.com/qt4.7/ Sep 22 15:12:46 Tm_T: did c++ in my 20's :-) local jobs/projects don't really have much demand for c++ now, mostly c#/java/py/ruby Sep 22 15:12:53 spurvewt: thanks Sep 22 15:55:00 vote vote vote! :P http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html n900 must win ;) Sep 22 16:17:39 Hi guys! I'm trying to build libmeegotouch, but I'm getting "undefined reference to `XFixesHideCursor'" error. Got libxfixes-dev installed. what else do I need? Sep 22 16:25:33 hi Sep 22 16:36:14 has anyone had boot problems on an aava device? - http://madeo.co.uk/files/aava_boot.jpg Sep 22 16:48:01 * mathias_m reboot didn't help... Sep 22 16:49:28 DawnFoster: will feedback in a little while :) Sep 22 16:49:42 (re unconference) Sep 22 16:59:10 stskeeps: thanks - just wanted a couple of people to reality check & then I'll post to the list Sep 22 16:59:43 Stskeeps: and we still need to document more details about the lightning talk process Sep 22 17:01:41 regarding barcamp concept, isn't lightning talks part of this as well? or is it also 30 min sessions Sep 22 17:01:49 (general interest) Sep 22 17:06:10 hi Sep 22 17:06:20 evening Sep 22 17:08:13 Anyone know if meego will be able to be squished onto the E7? Sep 22 17:08:35 blizzow4: doubt it, signed bootloaders and stuff Sep 22 17:09:29 blizzow4: definitely no. perhaps N900? Sep 22 17:09:54 so is there any word on when the n9 (or whatever it's going to be called) with meego will be released? Sep 22 17:10:12 Cthulhu eats rumourmongers Sep 22 17:10:32 blizzow4: I know, but can't tell you... ;) Sep 22 17:10:36 I slept with Cthulhu's mama. Sep 22 17:11:08 Don't invoke the Tentacled One's name in vain. Sep 22 17:11:26 gah, I want to toss my n97, but don't want to get the E7 if the N9 is announced a month later. Sep 22 17:12:22 blizzow4: when's the E7 supposed to be out then? Sep 22 17:12:34 Q4 2010. Sep 22 17:14:03 blizzow4: can't help then Sep 22 17:14:17 blizzow4: my brother didn't want to buy SLR because he said there will better cameras very soon. he missed a lot of good pics before he got one. Sep 22 17:15:35 blizzow4: the fact that you're here suggests you should wait for it Sep 22 17:16:10 blizzow4, I'd bet January at this point. Sep 22 17:16:47 vilvo: at $600+ US, I don't want to buy both the E7 and N9. Symbian is okay, but not great. I'm hoping a Meego based Nokia device is the ticket. Sep 22 17:17:05 Guess I just have to sit tight. :( Sep 22 17:17:10 blizzow4: well, it's going to be sweat (got one right here you know... ;) ) Sep 22 17:17:36 At least someone is having fun with the new device. Sep 22 17:17:40 i hope you mean sweet Sep 22 17:17:42 now if only I can get this thing to build... Sep 22 17:17:50 sorry, yeah, that Sep 22 17:25:18 mathias_m, you have an E7 there? Sep 22 17:26:29 * mathias_m looking Sep 22 17:27:03 lcuk: nope Sep 22 17:28:11 well thats the only announced device from Nokia that you have mentioned. Sep 22 17:29:00 lcuk: who mentioned? Sep 22 17:30:12 you Sep 22 17:31:05 lcuk: sorry, you've lost me Sep 22 17:32:38 mathias_m, apologies then, you saying you "had one right here" after a comment about E7 and N9 kinda caught the attention of some folks Sep 22 17:33:02 bah Sep 22 17:33:55 anyone know if timeless found a place? Sep 22 17:41:49 * GAN900 hears Nokia ninjas descending. Sep 22 17:42:42 what'd you say now? Sep 22 17:42:42 :P Sep 22 17:45:07 evening e-yes Sep 22 17:51:26 if you ever need to get someone to shut up, just tell them the channel is publically logged Sep 22 17:51:37 CosmoHill: doesn't work for everyone ;) Sep 22 17:51:52 shhhhh Sep 22 17:51:52 ^.^ Sep 22 17:54:28 CosmoHill: and when the revolution comes, we will know who opposed us :P Sep 22 17:55:39 Stskeeps: got a sec to answer dumb questions about flasher & 1.0.90.3.20100921? Sep 22 18:06:37 hi Sep 22 18:06:40 stephg: i'm always good for stupid questions :) Sep 22 18:06:47 1 question Sep 22 18:07:33 i buy acer aspire 5334 and the os its linux, witch?? Sep 22 18:07:45 Stskeeps: oo. Well here goes! Is flashing with 'u' held down the same as flashing with the power button held down? Sep 22 18:07:59 anybody help me Sep 22 18:08:17 Stskeeps: reason I ask is that my build (and you know I love to do my own builds because I'm an idiot) also doesn't boot with the backlight Sep 22 18:08:31 stephg: there's a bug re backlight as usual Sep 22 18:08:44 stephg: i'm actually not sure what u does but it should be a similar as putting in usb Sep 22 18:09:08 Stskeeps: good news is that with a torch I can configure wireless and then do the old echo > /proc/sys/backlight/whatever/that/path/was over ssh and it is all happy Sep 22 18:09:39 Stskeeps: Flash then USB without 'u' won't flash Sep 22 18:10:17 Stskeeps: s/Flash/Flasher Sep 22 18:17:39 also lol at whoever named (I presume the tracker or media player daemon) /usr/libexec/bognor-regis-daemon Sep 22 18:21:36 gahh Sep 22 18:21:41 n810 won't take a flash Sep 22 18:21:47 world ending Sep 22 18:22:12 stephg: dunno Sep 22 18:23:19 Stskeeps: doesn't matter re: backlight as we have the fix was just curious as it regressed is all Sep 22 18:24:35 yeah Sep 22 18:24:41 you don't want to see the new hack :) Sep 22 18:25:35 Stskeeps: ha Sep 22 18:26:14 Stskeeps: although this is (mildly not) interesting: power button does flash but with the backlight Sep 22 18:26:25 Stskeeps: which you know as that's how you've been doing it Sep 22 18:27:04 i've never had to use 'u' except in really weird circumstances.. Sep 22 18:27:04 :P Sep 22 18:28:02 I'd have thought every circumstance of yours is really weird ;) Sep 22 18:30:02 helsinki meetup was pretty nice \o/ Sep 22 18:31:14 yeah, incriminating photos already out :) Sep 22 18:35:49 Stskeeps: where? doh :D Sep 22 18:37:46 ah, valerios flicker Sep 22 18:37:51 that bastard... ;) Sep 22 18:38:06 was there recently a change in the way flasher works? or am I crazy Sep 22 18:38:20 you're crazy :) Sep 22 18:38:25 looks like a great time, Stskeeps gather you werent around for this one Sep 22 18:38:29 (sorry that wasn't helpful:- I don't know) Sep 22 18:38:30 that's what I was afraid of Sep 22 18:38:45 frals, which are you, I dont think I have ever actually seen you Sep 22 18:39:57 lcuk give me a sec and ill see if im in any of the pics Sep 22 18:40:43 lcuk: waiting for the warsaw one.. Sep 22 18:40:57 i think valerio only got the back of my head on all pictures ;D Sep 22 18:41:06 lcuk: on the left http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/5014716969/in/set-72157624887198495/ Sep 22 18:41:17 that maemo.org mirror is actually quite awesome in the Nemein office btw Sep 22 18:42:45 ahhh frals ! no wonder I didn't recognise you Sep 22 18:42:47 no trout Sep 22 18:42:58 ;D Sep 22 18:44:58 Stskeeps, you mean there is one organised Sep 22 18:45:05 or you are waiting for someone else to make one? Sep 22 18:45:32 * lcuk is considering getting Tracy to find location for one around Manchester :) Sep 22 18:46:17 theres a Birmingham tech meetup being organised that I will probably drive to Sep 22 18:46:18 http://twtvite.com/Tech_Meetup Sep 22 18:50:49 lcuk: waiting, mostly Sep 22 18:50:53 what package manager meego uses? Sep 22 18:51:09 daedaluz: rpm Sep 22 18:51:20 well that's oackage format... Sep 22 18:51:23 *package Sep 22 18:51:38 * CosmoHill pokes vgrade Sep 22 18:52:06 daedaluz: rpm is also a package manager Sep 22 18:52:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager Sep 22 18:52:36 daedaluz: yum or zypper, your pick Sep 22 18:52:38 vgrade: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/aru_courtroom.jpg Sep 22 18:56:11 use zypper Sep 22 18:57:42 Hi Sep 22 18:57:54 does meego non oss repo is broken ? Sep 22 18:58:05 define broken? Sep 22 18:58:29 404 error on some package Sep 22 18:58:43 shouldn't be.. can i see error? Sep 22 18:59:09 you sure it's not just the mirror Sep 22 18:59:25 No more mirror to try : google-chrome-5.0.375.70-4.1.i586.rpm Sep 22 18:59:39 don't know i m a bit newbie with rpm tools :) Sep 22 19:01:45 it doesn't look like it use a mirror Sep 22 19:02:08 i'm trying to update from 1.0 Sep 22 19:02:15 Khertan: did you download the chrome image? Sep 22 19:02:29 CosmoHill, yes Sep 22 19:02:37 not the chromium one? Sep 22 19:03:37 no no the chrome image Sep 22 19:03:41 i'm sure Sep 22 19:05:37 hum ... i was using yum Sep 22 19:05:46 using zypper download seems working Sep 22 19:05:51 :) Sep 22 19:05:55 sorry for disturbing you Sep 22 19:06:15 np Sep 22 19:07:03 does there is third party repository for meego ? a community one ? Sep 22 19:07:23 somewhere Sep 22 19:07:25 there's one mentioned on forums Sep 22 19:07:31 :) Sep 22 19:07:44 oh thanks so forum is usefull not like t.m.o :) Sep 22 19:09:30 CosmoHill, hello Sep 22 19:09:38 .o/ Sep 22 19:09:52 Stskeeps, evening Sep 22 19:11:41 CosmoHill, did you get off Sep 22 19:12:02 vgrade, re-reads that :) Sep 22 19:12:12 in court I mean Sep 22 19:12:54 Stskeeps, the repo you mention is the one containing mp3 codecs and some players ? Sep 22 19:14:42 CosmoHill, not had chance to contact the Town Hall yet, any luck at ARU Sep 22 19:17:20 Khertan: no idea Sep 22 19:19:36 tbhh I forgot Sep 22 19:19:43 Stskeeps, i ask just to see if some repository contain a pyqt or a pyside build for meego netbook :) Sep 22 19:19:58 it seems none have it yet Sep 22 19:20:43 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/emacs_comic.jpg Sep 22 19:22:55 CosmoHill: PICO. Sep 22 19:23:04 tiny Sep 22 19:23:06 ? Sep 22 19:24:00 oh I see Sep 22 19:31:23 e-yes: if you'd like to follow meego telephony work, feel free to join #meego-arm Sep 22 19:31:29 (at least, from n900 side) Sep 22 19:32:43 k, joining channel Sep 22 19:33:12 nothing interesting going on atm but in general it's good to track :P Sep 22 19:34:42 Stskeeps, btw, you were right yesterday Sep 22 19:35:20 about? Sep 22 19:35:25 http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/search?q=erection Sep 22 19:35:38 told you Sep 22 19:35:39 :P Sep 22 19:35:43 :D Sep 22 19:36:26 ehehe Sep 22 19:37:00 incidentally, RST38h you shouldn't laugh, you get most references on maemo Sep 22 19:37:13 lcuk: Mmm? Sep 22 19:37:22 same search on maemo Sep 22 19:37:31 OMG. Sep 22 19:38:40 lcuk: Ufff, luckily, it is still statistically insignificant :) Sep 22 19:38:51 indeed, tis amusing though Sep 22 19:39:17 ok, let us try some more common words... Sep 22 19:39:47 Try "fail" DocScrutinizer seems to like it Sep 22 19:40:41 RST38h, on maemo or meego, or doesnt it matter? Sep 22 19:40:56 And I am the first person to use "opossums" at #maemo! Sep 22 19:41:04 lcuk: #maemo Sep 22 19:50:00 Stskeeps, lbt : about community obs i was trying to use the same specs file than on the suse obs for building python-sip but i got the following errors : nothing provides c++_compiler Sep 22 19:50:49 does meego provide a c++_compiler ? Sep 22 19:50:56 afaik, g++ Sep 22 19:50:58 :P Sep 22 19:51:02 :P Sep 22 19:51:06 c++_compiler, nfi.. Sep 22 19:51:06 :P Sep 22 19:51:18 as a dependency, that might not be there Sep 22 19:51:38 change the dependency to g++ (or gcc-g++ or gcc-c++, each distro has its own) Sep 22 19:51:41 lbt: meego has obs! no stinkin compilers, those are for red-eyed gentooers :) Sep 22 19:52:34 <__key__> sup! Sep 22 19:52:43 * __key__ wonders... what exactly is meego Sep 22 19:53:02 <__key__> is it an operating system for small household items ? Sep 22 19:53:06 <__key__> like a cable box Sep 22 19:53:46 <__key__> ?? Sep 22 19:53:50 <__key__> ok then peace out Sep 22 19:53:55 O_o Sep 22 19:54:12 ---- Sep 22 19:54:15 what was that? Sep 22 19:54:25 it was the key to success Sep 22 19:54:40 you know, usually I'd say troll, but this time I'm not even sure Sep 22 19:55:03 probably a target customer..... given the attention span :) Sep 22 19:55:35 gif the __GateKeeper__ comes in we need to be worried Sep 22 19:55:43 especially if it starts talking about zuul Sep 22 20:02:22 Stskeeps: is there any point in having armv5el on the community OBS? Sep 22 20:02:34 * CosmoHill hunts down a file Sep 22 20:02:49 lbt: armv6+vfp has demand for a full recompile but armv5 is not active from upstream repo.meego.com Sep 22 20:02:49 it's mode14 Sep 22 20:03:08 good night Sep 22 20:03:13 * lbt tries to parse that into a yes/no Sep 22 20:04:08 I think the problem is that it's a bit like i586 having to cope with ssse3 and non-ssse3 Sep 22 20:04:59 lbt: don't import armv5 from repo.meego.com, dead branch Sep 22 20:05:09 agreed Sep 22 20:05:16 but it might be an interesting project to provide an armv6+vfp build for some Sep 22 20:05:32 are there relevant v6 devices? Sep 22 20:06:02 thiago_home: i have seen armv6+vfp gles2 devices, at least Sep 22 20:06:24 I'd say "build when such a device is relevant" Sep 22 20:06:33 v7 is more relevant for us Sep 22 20:06:44 well, that's the meego.com attitude naturally Sep 22 20:06:56 this was regarding community obs Sep 22 20:07:02 (not build.meego.com) Sep 22 20:07:07 ah, I see Sep 22 20:07:11 *nod* Sep 22 20:07:16 but, then again, don't waste resources :-) Sep 22 20:07:19 :nod: Sep 22 20:07:31 we are pretty limited right now Sep 22 20:07:37 I'm trimming Sep 22 20:07:43 but don't want to restrict Sep 22 20:07:55 also wondering about the non-ssse3 approach Sep 22 20:08:01 i think we should prioritise app development and system contribution on community obs Sep 22 20:08:08 me too Sep 22 20:08:13 for arm* stuff people can make a market for making meego builds if they want Sep 22 20:08:36 I want to establish a "be reasonable" principle Sep 22 20:09:23 do we have throttling ability? in case someone consumes way too many resources => less priority? Sep 22 20:09:35 yes Sep 22 20:09:43 I stomp on them :) Sep 22 20:10:03 there are automatic systems that should track that Sep 22 20:10:07 need to see how it goes Sep 22 20:10:55 you're spending too much time compiling stuff :) Sep 22 20:11:36 Stskeeps: BTW, has the issue with a lot of replication and deadwood (like two package managers) been solved in Meego? Sep 22 20:12:04 Stskeeps: Or is it still like Redhat in this sense? I am getting mixed opinions from different people Sep 22 20:13:04 RST38h: you mean package fetchers? Sep 22 20:13:36 RST38h: i'm not sure what the yum vs zypper situation is.. it's one of those things i don't keep track of Sep 22 20:15:30 Stskeeps: apparently, it is not the only case Sep 22 20:15:47 what else are we duplicating? Sep 22 20:15:47 :P Sep 22 20:15:49 gtk vs qt? :) Sep 22 20:15:55 no not that Sep 22 20:39:05 thiago_home: ping Sep 22 20:39:12 lbt: pong Sep 22 20:52:01 anyone know if timeless got a hotel room ok ? Sep 22 20:54:21 i duno but I hope so Sep 22 20:54:38 I showed him a load of dooms and he seems to like them Sep 22 20:55:01 CosmoHill: dooms ? Sep 22 20:55:05 yeah Sep 22 20:55:10 like 6 beds in a room Sep 22 20:55:16 oh Sep 22 20:55:35 well, he was over in ireland today and /query'd me while on the train to Dublin looking for a hotel Sep 22 20:55:57 yeah I gave him your name. I hope that's okay Sep 22 20:57:46 that's fine, we'd spoken a few times before Sep 22 20:57:53 seems like a nice guy Sep 22 20:58:15 very laid back from the breif time I've spoken to him Sep 22 20:58:19 I'd have meet him for a beer only I'm actually down in Cork for the next few days Sep 22 20:59:12 * slaine goes to get Qt 4.7 for OSX Sep 22 21:00:07 when did that come out? Sep 22 21:00:52 yesterday Sep 22 21:01:04 * slaine wonders what rock CosmoHill's been hiding under Sep 22 21:03:45 black rock Sep 22 21:11:42 Hi again :à Sep 22 21:11:45 ;) Sep 22 21:12:19 hey Sep 22 21:12:25 how's the rpmdb ? Sep 22 21:14:53 it s fine :) i rm every things that look like a rpm db Sep 22 21:15:12 does libqt4-devel should not be in meego core ? Sep 22 21:15:25 zypper search libqt4 found no package Sep 22 21:15:54 search for qt4 instead Sep 22 21:15:59 same Sep 22 21:17:25 ok it s qt Sep 22 21:17:28 and not qt4 Sep 22 21:18:13 oh my, what a big tail you have Sep 22 21:18:43 * slaine checks he's in he right channel Sep 22 21:18:55 * sofar sees libqt-devel in the package list Sep 22 21:19:08 sofar: that's impossible Sep 22 21:19:14 it's qt-devel Sep 22 21:20:23 slaine: well I just installed it. so it's possible. Sep 22 21:20:32 ye gads Sep 22 21:20:43 * slaine is install qt-devel atm Sep 22 21:21:57 hum python-sip build seems to be a success in the community obs Sep 22 21:22:07 slaine: what release? Sep 22 21:22:39 4.6.2-4.2 is what's in the meego repo's Sep 22 21:22:46 but I'm also installing 4.7 on my mac Sep 22 21:23:06 nu uh, trunk has 4.7.0-rc1 Sep 22 21:23:12 you're on 1.0? Sep 22 21:23:31 yeah Sep 22 21:23:40 not tried the pre releases yet Sep 22 21:23:54 * slaine actually uses his netbook for work Sep 22 21:25:10 sofar: how are the pre-releases for you ? Sep 22 21:25:19 slaine: I have no work and no netbook :o Sep 22 21:25:35 * slaine hands CosmoHill a bre Sep 22 21:25:36 w Sep 22 21:25:40 slaine: I have to use that, it's what I'm coding on Sep 22 21:25:41 curse these hands Sep 22 21:25:46 * CosmoHill sips Sep 22 21:25:52 slaine: reasonably stable atm for netbook Sep 22 21:26:05 might give it a shot next week Sep 22 21:26:18 am traveling for the next 2 days and need it as it is Sep 22 21:27:00 though my "work" on it mostly consists with noodling about while traveling, so bleeding edge probably isn't that big a deal Sep 22 23:11:37 cyas Sep 23 01:36:14 so finally a kernel m list is up Sep 23 02:07:48 hello Sep 23 02:08:04 hey meego use hildon-desktop no? Sep 23 02:09:38 no Sep 23 02:09:39 heh Sep 23 02:09:48 meego contains no hildon Sep 23 02:09:54 upppss.. Sep 23 02:10:05 wich is? Sep 23 02:10:57 what windows enviropmen we have on meego? Sep 23 02:11:05 openbox? matchbox? Sep 23 02:11:38 sorry by my low skill of english im spanish :P Sep 23 02:14:57 no problem Sep 23 02:15:06 I'm not sure what window manager is in use on MeeGo Sep 23 02:15:57 however the primary toolkit is Qt, which is a good place to start Sep 23 02:16:36 I believe the handset window manager is matchbox, but the netbook ux uses a different one iirc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 23 02:59:58 2010