**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 25 02:59:57 2010 Sep 25 04:17:53 hiy all Sep 25 04:18:16 I'm looking for a wiki or tuto how to build Meego Sep 25 04:18:37 as I want to add new arm boards and sh on it Sep 25 09:04:01 morning.. Sep 25 09:13:32 hey is any way of deativate startup_progress from the boot init? Sep 25 09:14:01 is that meego? Sep 25 09:14:11 is mer Sep 25 09:14:35 i have 720 image running on the htc universal :) Sep 25 09:14:41 off topic here then Sep 25 09:15:04 oh sorry i was thinked that is a derivated proyect :P Sep 25 09:15:56 it is, but questions go in #mer, not #meego :) Sep 25 09:29:04 good morning to every one! Sep 25 09:30:04 meego wont install in my eeepc 1008ha, Sep 25 09:30:14 livecd works very well, Sep 25 09:30:40 how can i understand the problem? Sep 25 09:30:55 i'm familiar with the terminal if it helps Sep 25 09:31:31 during install is an error on X server: Sep 25 09:31:51 failed to load module "fbdev" Sep 25 09:32:22 try modprobe fbdev Sep 25 09:32:46 or maybe you need xserver-xorg-video-fbdev packet Sep 25 09:33:34 hi all Sep 25 09:33:35 maybe you can serch it or install it with yum Sep 25 09:33:43 ALoGeNo, but why in live is ok and in install mode no? Sep 25 09:33:46 hi theplic Sep 25 09:33:55 hi ALoGeNo Sep 25 09:34:10 i dunno but the live cd's are more automatizated Sep 25 09:34:11 do you anything about what kind of libraries we can use for meego app development? Sep 25 09:34:28 ok, module loaded Sep 25 09:34:39 when you install an OS you need to configure Sep 25 09:34:54 less ubuntu Sep 25 09:34:55 XD Sep 25 09:36:18 mauro, try to start the X server and if that dont work, reinstall the fvdev xserver Sep 25 09:37:12 if that work add line in etc/modules puting the name of the module fbdev Sep 25 09:37:13 ok ALoGeNo Sep 25 09:37:15 and restart Sep 25 09:37:39 but i choose install mode Sep 25 09:37:53 okey Sep 25 09:38:00 or can i install olso from livecd? Sep 25 09:38:14 nop Sep 25 09:38:33 if you do modprobe and dont say nothing the module is loaded Sep 25 09:38:44 you can see if that is it with lsmod Sep 25 09:38:59 ah: i cannt access shell in install mode Sep 25 09:39:40 if that is loaded add do that echo fbdev >/etc/modules Sep 25 09:39:50 ohh Sep 25 09:40:01 maybe you have safe mode Sep 25 09:40:19 boot in safe mode Sep 25 09:40:55 ALoGeNo, i'm trying to install from usb, the only 3 choose are: Sep 25 09:41:02 livecd Sep 25 09:41:05 install mode Sep 25 09:41:08 hard disk Sep 25 09:41:38 with live cd i can access 5 console (other xterm) Sep 25 09:41:39 sorry but im involved with armel stuff that is not like in pc x86 stuff.. :) Sep 25 09:41:56 i dont was try the livecd distro Sep 25 09:41:57 oh Sep 25 09:42:43 ColKilkenny, i think that is with x86 but i dont remember Sep 25 09:42:54 is there an other method with meego? Sep 25 09:43:07 hum... Sep 25 09:43:15 to boot from USB? Sep 25 09:43:47 another method of what? Sep 25 09:44:09 of install to eeepc, Sep 25 09:44:21 without xserver i mean Sep 25 09:44:36 in the debian style or slackware Sep 25 09:44:53 you know if that run with grub? Sep 25 09:45:16 yes is grub Sep 25 09:45:21 if yes, you can edit the boot parameters Sep 25 09:46:06 there you maybe set some safe mode stuff Sep 25 09:47:23 mauro, you have this fault? Sep 25 09:47:25 hey is any way of deativate startup_progress from the boot init? Sep 25 09:47:32 sorry paste wrong Sep 25 09:47:34 xd Sep 25 09:47:45 Installation completes using ext3 as / however X won't start... INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes.. Sep 25 09:49:16 mauro, are you there? Sep 25 09:49:24 ...no i see step findrootparts Sep 25 09:49:40 (ops i'm here) Sep 25 09:49:50 wait.. you can install the whole OS and lather X dont run? Sep 25 09:49:50 does not exist Sep 25 09:50:01 or that fault in X at the beggining? Sep 25 09:50:15 no, i cannot access the graphical interface for installing Sep 25 09:50:24 oh... Sep 25 09:50:36 well you can clone it.. Sep 25 09:50:42 i mean.. Sep 25 09:51:22 ok you are in my mind Sep 25 09:51:34 you can boot the live cd, look for the main /rootfs cp -av all in any folder and lather mount Sep 25 09:51:57 ok, i try this!!! Sep 25 09:52:04 you know what i mean? Sep 25 09:52:45 maybe you can maintain you proper config or state from livecd :) Sep 25 09:53:03 in this way i mean :) Sep 25 09:53:10 i think yes, have i to chroot or no? Sep 25 09:53:14 but isnt sure Sep 25 09:53:30 but in this way you have the whole system installed Sep 25 09:53:42 i have to check.. Sep 25 09:54:36 mauro, is your version of eeepc on the supported devices list, and did it work happily when you used it in liveusb mode? Sep 25 09:56:53 lcuk, yes it is and it works well Sep 25 09:58:10 ok so now you are having issues only after you have copied to hard disk? Sep 25 09:59:41 no, i can't install because the fist screen (welcome) appear but the button NEXT doesn't work, Sep 25 10:00:07 in the 5 console i saw an error in the xserver: can't load module fbdev Sep 25 10:01:08 and in the 2 console more warning that say " step `somewhat': does not exist (or any of similar) Sep 25 10:02:40 mauro here is a way.. Sep 25 10:02:42 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/boot-lfs-livecd-from-hard-disk-612890/ Sep 25 10:09:20 ALoGeNo, ok, i read and i think it is possible, but every time i have the live, Sep 25 10:09:39 witouth savings of installed packeges ... Sep 25 10:09:42 etc.. Sep 25 10:13:19 Ahhh: if i press next button , in the first console it says: Sep 25 10:13:39 mount: / not mounted, or bad option: Sep 25 10:13:58 the only difference in livr mode and install mode is: Sep 25 10:14:33 adding liveinst nosplash 4 at the end of "live command line" Sep 25 10:16:45 now i tried to boot with liveinst instead of liveimg Sep 25 10:17:56 does anyone how to use external libraries while developing an application for meego? Sep 25 10:18:00 and the welcome screen appeared but with forward instead of next Sep 25 10:18:11 YYYYEEEEEESSSSSS it works!! Sep 25 10:18:19 ....perphaps Sep 25 10:20:09 lol Sep 25 10:20:16 mauro in any case.. Sep 25 10:20:18 :-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Sep 25 10:20:56 try this, in grub after the last parameter in kernel line, set video=vga Sep 25 10:21:11 and ctrl+x to bot or b Sep 25 10:21:48 iwas read that you can boot fedora Install with basic video driver Sep 25 10:24:59 * araujo writing a small scripting *lightweight* language Sep 25 10:25:44 theplic, build/install the external library first, then continue as normal? Sep 25 10:26:27 araujo: assembly? Sep 25 10:27:47 renato, pong Sep 25 10:28:54 thiago_home, not really, i am using objc ... with objfw ... a new portable library Sep 25 10:31:32 mosty: how do i install it in my xephyr dev environment? Sep 25 10:35:42 theplic, enter the chroot, and install it from the command line. or open a terminal in xephyr if you must Sep 25 11:13:26 ME STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the problem was that the module of meego doesn't support click on touchpad, Sep 25 11:14:01 i tried clicking on button or with enter and now i'm installing :-((( Sep 25 11:14:09 sorry sorry sorry Sep 25 12:37:09 Hey Sep 25 12:37:10 Hi Sep 25 12:41:37 mosty: are you here? Sep 25 12:42:13 yes Sep 25 12:50:56 morn andre__ Sep 25 12:51:22 heja. :) Sep 25 13:21:45 hello, how i can mount my reiserfs partition from meego terminal?.. or where i can find some reiserfs utils for installing? Sep 25 13:22:38 you'd mount it like any other linux distro Sep 25 13:22:41 is there anyone here who can tell me how i can use pyqt in xephyr? Sep 25 13:22:45 if it fails it means the kernel doesn't support that FS Sep 25 13:23:32 hi CosmoHill Sep 25 13:23:40 hey theplic Sep 25 13:23:45 can i bother you with some newb questions? Sep 25 13:23:54 if it's the one I've just read from you, no Sep 25 13:24:20 well can you atleast tell me how i can install stuff in my xephyr environment? Sep 25 13:24:43 via zypper from the terminal Sep 25 13:24:50 ok Sep 25 13:24:52 CosmoHill, yes, i have 'unknown filesystem..' :/ Sep 25 13:24:54 thanks ill try that Sep 25 13:25:05 spurvewt|h: check bugs.meego.com Sep 25 13:31:50 lcuk: if you do LFS the support channel is very good even if it's a bit floppy hands Sep 25 13:33:23 CosmoHill, it seems there's nothing about reiser or i'm looking bad.. Sep 25 13:33:38 you can either file a bug or look harder Sep 25 13:33:42 I'd go for the former Sep 25 13:33:56 as far there is no EXT4, NTFS or the thing you just said support Sep 25 13:34:56 ok, thanks :) Sep 25 14:18:43 not sure how to ask it, so maybe i'll just do it: i want to develop a small app for my n900, but seeing how there is a general lack of quality applications on the n900/maemo i am wondering if i should go the meego route. will meego be supported somehow on the n900? Sep 25 14:19:06 meego already runs on the n900 Sep 25 14:19:20 but you run it on the n900 on your own risk. Nokia will not recommend it. Sep 25 14:20:12 meego also supports netbooks so it would have a wider range of devices than maemo Sep 25 14:23:16 thiago_home: how good does it run? i find maemo lacking in almost every aspect. today i had to restart the device in order to connect via UTMS. sometimes when i end calls the media player starts playing loudly (wasn't even running before). can one use meego on n900 for phone, web browsing, googletalk, skype, SMS? Sep 25 14:23:31 CosmoHill: that is what i think too. Sep 25 14:24:43 MrCase, meego is much buggier on n900 than maemo Sep 25 14:24:57 MrCase: I use Maemo5 every day on my N900 Sep 25 14:25:11 web browsing, phone, skype, SMS Sep 25 14:25:19 and the occasional media player while on flights Sep 25 14:25:30 MrCase, no. Sep 25 14:28:05 thiago: yeah, that works all for me too. with the occasional hiccup and lack of apps. Sep 25 14:28:30 thiago_home: I like using the python based zoutube for on the road unpredicted choice of music :) Sep 25 14:28:52 thiago: Quick question: can I use QTimers without having to use Qt signal/slot system? Sep 25 14:30:42 RST38h, don't think so, what's wrong with signals/slots? Sep 25 14:30:46 for interoperability between maemo and meego, should i just focus on developing Qt? Sep 25 14:30:51 *with Qt Sep 25 14:31:02 as a recommendation? yes Sep 25 14:31:17 as a necessity? no. Both are X11, so you can run anything you'd want Sep 25 14:31:40 roger. thanks. Sep 25 14:32:17 mosty: they do not work Sep 25 14:32:51 RST38h, they work for me. you probably have an error in your code Sep 25 14:32:55 Using Q_OBJECT at the start of the class definition bring up "no vtable" errors that I can only fix by moving constructor and destructor into the .h file Sep 25 14:33:18 RST38h, are you sure that you have defined all the required methods? Sep 25 14:33:25 Yes. Sep 25 14:33:37 And as I said, moving them to .h removes the errors Sep 25 14:34:14 and you're running moc correctly? Sep 25 14:35:31 No idea. When I try running it standalone, it says that the binary is not found Sep 25 14:35:47 which is strange given that the binary is there Sep 25 14:36:07 Custom build tools really really suck =( Sep 25 14:36:19 are you using make directly, or generating makefiles with qmake? Sep 25 14:38:25 qmake does not work for me, there is a bug there that is probably too difficult to fix so they do not Sep 25 14:38:54 And, again, makefiles have nothing to do with the message I get when I try running moc from command line Sep 25 14:39:27 as I said, custom build tools are...mmm...fun Sep 25 14:40:02 qt does love to add wrappers to things Sep 25 14:40:48 it's highly likely that you're not using moc correctly. if i were you i would investigate that- it will probably fix your vtable problem Sep 25 14:41:49 Let me demonstrate: Sep 25 14:42:00 moc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), Sep 25 14:42:14 bash: ./moc: No such file or directory Sep 25 14:42:59 So, 'file' says it is a proper executable binary but when I run it, it says there is no such file Sep 25 14:43:23 what sb target? Sep 25 14:44:01 RST38h, try "strace ./moc" - you probably have missing libs, or haven't set LD_LIBRARY_PATH Sep 25 14:44:17 and "ldd ./moc" Sep 25 14:44:53 mosty: what could happen to make you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? Sep 25 14:49:07 Stskeeps; fremantle/armel Sep 25 14:49:21 Stskeeps: but this executable does not run even outside the scratchbox. Same error. Sep 25 14:54:57 * RST38h sighs and installs native Ubuntu10 tools Sep 25 14:55:46 Maybe I can somehow make them run inside scratchbox or do some other hack Sep 25 15:05:27 sivang, if you compiled qt and installed it somewhere unusual, and didn't add it to your ld.so.conf Sep 25 15:05:32 usually when i get unexpected "file not found" errors, it turns out to be either a missing interpreter or a missing shared library Sep 25 15:40:36 http://bit.ly/c6bASW Sep 25 15:41:41 I can't read German Sep 25 15:42:29 doesnt matter^^ its a counter...thx for the click Sep 25 15:42:50 oh you bastard Sep 25 15:43:26 go go noscript Sep 25 15:43:26 think before clicking! Sep 25 15:44:41 I have ad blocker installed Sep 25 15:45:25 lol Sep 25 15:45:39 that was nasty Sep 25 15:48:42 hi in the repo (that zypper uses) theres xmlrpc-c-devel but not the c++ development package Sep 25 15:50:11 ^^chuck that Sep 25 15:53:57 this makes me feel better: 16:50:01 up 300 days, 17:20, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sep 25 15:53:58 mwhahah Sep 25 15:55:19 CosmoHill, i don't really have a hankering to build LFS, but I tihnk MFS would be cool to try Sep 25 15:55:31 :) Sep 25 16:09:28 Mhm... Ok, looks like I know why it does not like the moc binary Sep 25 16:09:36 It has been compiled for Linux 2.2.x Sep 25 16:09:47 This machine is 2.6.x Sep 25 16:10:11 And the moc installed as part of the Ubuntu10 Qt package does work Sep 25 16:41:48 * RST38h found another gaping hole in MOC, right after finding one in QMake Sep 25 16:42:56 * RST38h now wonders if Qt has ever been used in any large scale commercial projects: its tools look like they have come from someone's college project Sep 25 16:43:40 RST38h: i am wondering why you try to run a x86 binary in a sb armel target though Sep 25 16:44:01 Stskeeps: SB is a mixed environment, it runs both x86 and armel binaries Sep 25 16:44:09 Stskeeps: SB2 at least Sep 25 16:44:19 yes, but only if their ld-linux.so.* is there Sep 25 16:44:28 that's why it says "no such file or directory" Sep 25 16:44:36 Stskeeps: Now, the problem was that Fremantle qt package comes with x86 MOC compiled for Linux 2.2.x Sep 25 16:44:55 shouldn't be a problem Sep 25 16:44:57 Stskeeps: Once I replaced it with Ubuntu's own MOC, it started working Sep 25 16:45:04 (afaik) Sep 25 16:45:35 either way, i'm going back to banging my head against the fennec build process Sep 25 16:45:41 so infinitely more insane Sep 25 16:45:41 RST38h, meego seems to be a large commercial project based on Qt :D Sep 25 16:46:05 Stskeeps: Anyways, I am not paid to analyze or fix Qt packaging, let Qt people do that Sep 25 16:46:18 Stskeeps: I have found a much worse hole though Sep 25 16:46:31 Stskeeps, and you're building for a 'supported' architecture :) imagine building for one that isn't ... Sep 25 16:46:36 johnx: Well, then Meego developers are in for trouble Sep 25 16:46:45 RST38h, ok Sep 25 16:46:52 lcuk: just starting LFS (I figure best to do LFS first before trying MFS) Sep 25 16:46:54 RST38h: scratchbox isn't exactly the most modern devel environment :P Sep 25 16:47:00 meego on hppa Sep 25 16:47:10 I'm loving the way VMware Workstaion is randomly freezing Sep 25 16:47:21 CosmoHill, not enough RAM? Sep 25 16:47:34 laptop has 4GB Sep 25 16:47:44 and your VM has ... ? Sep 25 16:47:47 512MB Sep 25 16:48:11 reboot the VM. sometimes they just get wedged Sep 25 16:48:30 I think I'll reboot into init 3 Sep 25 16:48:35 then ssh backdoor into it Sep 25 16:48:41 also, I dearly hope you had someone else give you the vmware license and didn't pay for it directly :) Sep 25 16:48:56 I get it for one year as a student Sep 25 16:53:00 Stskeeps,johnx: Anyway, hre is the story: Sep 25 16:53:30 RST38h: first off - is it maemo or meego, i'm confused? Sep 25 16:54:03 When MOC takes a header file to process, that header may include parts that are only relevant in C++ mode or C mode Sep 25 16:54:04 Stskeeps: It is plain Qt in Fremantle Sep 25 16:54:16 Stskeeps: And the distinction does not make any difference because the share the same tools Sep 25 16:54:28 fair enough Sep 25 16:54:49 Sooo, if you have got a header with parts that only get included in C++, MOC will ignore these parts Sep 25 17:06:34 I am trying to install MeeGo SDK with Xephyr on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Sep 25 17:07:39 the host machine is intel. I am using Oracle VM ware and ubuntu shows the VGA controller as VGA compatible controller: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter Sep 25 17:08:09 question is can i install Meego SDK with Xephyr Sep 25 17:08:10 ? Sep 25 17:12:46 Ahahaha, a new problem Sep 25 17:13:14 When you derive your class from two Qt classes and run it through MOC, the result will not compile Sep 25 17:13:46 GCC will, naturally, complain about QObject being an ambiguous base Sep 25 17:14:44 Ok, I am afraid Qt signals/slots are a no-go, plan B. Sep 25 17:15:38 Stskeeps, ping Sep 25 17:17:29 what's the difference between acceptance image and normal image? Sep 25 17:17:47 how do I install a group / pattern with zypper? Sep 25 17:20:03 th3hate: maybe acceptance image has got to have all the required compoenents for proper testing before release? Sep 25 17:20:13 th3hate: e.g. for integration testing, or somesuch Sep 25 17:20:14 * sivang guesses Sep 25 17:20:56 * th3hate nods Sep 25 17:23:05 zypper install -t pattern development-tools Sep 25 17:23:27 is there an IVI or netbook repo for ARM? Sep 25 17:24:30 Not as far as I know. Sep 25 17:24:44 same conclusion I came to Sep 25 17:24:48 joy Sep 25 17:25:09 johnx, we only want Atoms in those things, silly. Sep 25 17:26:57 * johnx wants an ARM netbook with a pixel qi screen Sep 25 17:27:45 Don't we all. Sep 25 17:27:47 alright, so if ARM netbook/IVI builds aren't happening for right now, is there a plan to start them later? (asking someone in the know, not just for opinions) Sep 25 17:29:41 Last discussion I heard was that, no, there wasn't a plan, as such, but it would likely happen eventually. Sep 25 17:30:20 The timeframe for which is likely dependent on vendor interest. . . . Sep 25 17:31:23 johnx: netbook is a build issue.. there was simply too much failin Sep 25 17:31:25 g Sep 25 17:31:40 IVI is another issue and has been delayed a bit because IVI WG had to get set up and actors in place, etc.. Sep 25 17:33:29 alright, so if I'm interested in netbook or IVI I should put my time where my mouth is as it were :) Sep 25 17:39:46 * CosmoHill is getting annoyed at the random pauses Sep 25 17:41:19 Oh, so that's why not much action on the IVI front.... Sep 25 17:42:27 Hmmm Sep 25 17:43:32 there's plenty happening with IVI Sep 25 17:43:53 except, the companies driving IVI tend to work much more behind the scenes Sep 25 17:44:29 * smithna was basing things off of changes on the daily repo for IVI Sep 25 17:46:07 Mhm, QTimer, in its infinite wisdom, does not contain any virtual methods called on the timer expiration Sep 25 17:46:45 So,essentially, the only way to use it through signals, and I already know how much trouble these signals are Sep 25 17:49:42 RST38bis: QObject::startTimer Sep 25 17:52:56 sofar: Any idea when us peons might see what's going on with IVI? Sep 25 17:56:30 there should be another 1.1 IVI release Sep 25 17:58:53 w00t: Yes, yes, yessss!!!!! Sep 25 17:59:03 w00t <-- the savior Sep 25 17:59:21 * RST38bis goes off to implement timerEvent() Sep 25 18:02:10 it took me 15 mins to start building the temp tools for LFS just because when I copied the source over the LAN it come out the other wise with a different md5 Sep 25 18:10:38 sofar: I look forward to it... Sep 25 18:11:08 evening fatalsaint Sep 25 18:11:16 Afternoon Sts Sep 25 18:12:00 fatalsaint, saw latest post in n900 thread? Sep 25 18:12:39 meego forums? Sep 25 18:12:43 no dont think so.. i'll go check Sep 25 18:13:41 FatalSaint: you will like! Sep 25 18:14:31 redistributable binaries finally? awesomeness! Sep 25 18:14:43 and call audio Sep 25 18:15:00 SIM without PIN.. what specifically is that? Sep 25 18:15:18 a SIM without a passnumber Sep 25 18:15:27 How do you know if you have one? Sep 25 18:15:42 on your n900 do you have to enter 2 numbers at boot Sep 25 18:15:44 devices ask you on startup for a PIN Sep 25 18:15:45 :P Sep 25 18:15:52 lol Sep 25 18:15:59 that reminds me I need to set my pin Sep 25 18:16:06 Alrighty then.. guess that means I don't have one. Sep 25 18:16:43 crap, it's already set but I didn't set it Sep 25 18:16:55 Nice vertically scrolled list of settings = QScrollArea? =) Sep 25 18:16:55 Cosmo what is your device? Sep 25 18:17:14 nokia 6220c Sep 25 18:17:34 actually scratch that, you only have 3 attempts at your pin Sep 25 18:17:40 then you have to talk to your provider Sep 25 18:17:53 Skeeps: What are we hoping the final status will be at the 1.1 release in october? Sep 25 18:17:57 it says last attempt :o Sep 25 18:18:00 so I just press cancel Sep 25 18:18:07 do you depend on your phone :) Sep 25 18:18:13 I mean I can use the phone normally, I just can't set the pin Sep 25 18:18:31 something doesn't add up Sep 25 18:18:46 I mean, if you don't know what the pin is, what happens when you bounce your phone Sep 25 18:18:57 bounce? Sep 25 18:19:00 restart Sep 25 18:19:10 it's set so it doesn't ask you for the pin Sep 25 18:19:41 I think I can enable pin on boot but I can't change the pin code Sep 25 18:21:55 you can probably add a device lock to your device (unrelated to the SIM PIN) Sep 25 18:22:05 oh yes it's the device pin Sep 25 18:22:09 the sim doesn't have one Sep 25 18:22:57 that makes more sense Sep 25 18:25:05 Ah, it shows the config page perfeclty now! Sep 25 18:29:24 luck: I think i might be able to used an unmodified version of the LFS temp tools to build meego Sep 25 18:30:07 as in I just need to add things like rpm and it's deps to the temp tools instead of changing the software versions and configurations Sep 25 18:30:58 you'd then install the versions of the software by hand up until the part where you need to adjust the tool chain Sep 25 18:31:12 from then you should be able to compile meego src.rpm files in theory Sep 25 18:39:40 does anyone know of when any meego devices re being released Sep 25 18:40:00 yes Sep 25 18:40:16 (I'm not one of them) Sep 25 18:40:29 I need to make a robot trigger a disclaimer when someone uses the word "when" Sep 25 18:40:34 :) Sep 25 18:40:34 ha Sep 25 18:41:29 apexi200sx: YES people know NO they cannot tell you Sep 25 18:41:35 sofar: something that shouts "Never!" Sep 25 18:45:33 sofar, when will you get around to writing that? /ducks Sep 25 18:46:32 someone needs to open a bug! Sep 25 18:46:44 haha, yeah, file a bugzilla :) Sep 25 18:55:00 dd this to that bla bla bla I can't wait for the day that we can decimate the n900 image Sep 25 18:55:06 2gb takes sooooooooo long Sep 25 18:55:51 btyesize? Sep 25 18:56:09 1946157057 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 294.858 s, 6.6 MB/s Sep 25 18:57:19 I'm only moaning Sep 25 18:57:35 ignore me Sep 25 18:57:44 think he means you might do better with different dd settings :) Sep 25 18:58:05 oh I see well nah 4k it is I guess for it is SD :( Sep 25 18:58:50 4k? i do bs=4M for my uSD and it seems to work ok Sep 25 18:59:07 actually, I forgot what I'm getting out of my "class 6" card, but it certainly isn't 6.6MB/s ... Sep 25 18:59:41 * stephg eats his words Sep 25 19:00:19 btrfs with compression will make the images about half the size Sep 25 19:03:33 sofar: yeah I know, and obv all the verticals images have the kitchen sink pulled in by default for testing Sep 25 19:10:11 there should still be normal images around Sep 25 21:21:14 Does anyone know, will installing something like lirc from fedora work on meego (since it doesn't natively have that) Sep 25 21:23:09 smithna, whilst you may be able to take the source and build with meego sdk, its not usual to allow directly using packages built for other distros Sep 25 21:25:40 too bad... There's a number of things *missing* (probably the wrong word here) that other distros have working rather well, would be nice to import thier working solutions. Sep 25 21:28:25 smithna, i dont know the process to actually request things be brought in its something thats being ramped up though as more people expect fully usable system with all the apps they normally expect from a distro Sep 25 21:29:05 would that be through bugreports? Sep 25 21:29:55 thats one option certainly, but I dont know how people are actually doing it at the moment Sep 25 21:30:17 hmm, can i boot meego with N900-bootmenu? Sep 25 21:30:19 ie: i hear some Intel folks have internally built versions of packages (like open office Sep 25 21:30:38 or temporary flash? Sep 25 21:31:11 Flipi, thats the "normal" way (temporary flashing) you put the main body of meego onto an external MMC, then flash the kernel which boots Sep 25 21:31:19 once you reboot from meego, it reverts to normal maemo Sep 25 21:31:19 lcuk: I'm looking through the WIKI to see if it says anything Sep 25 21:31:45 good smithna Sep 25 21:31:49 ok the image is on my SD card Sep 25 21:32:07 (sorry for my bad english, i am german) Sep 25 21:32:24 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Sep 25 21:32:30 Flipi, read through that Sep 25 21:32:35 ok Sep 25 21:32:48 The next version of Fedora, which should be out in a couple months, will have MeeGo available as a desktop environment, which should help for those who want all the functionality of a traditional distro. Sep 25 21:34:48 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.0 Sep 25 21:36:52 Yep, that's it. Unfortunately I've had problems with the current Fedora 14 alpha (Python dependency issues, which probably aren't MeeGo-specific), but the F14 beta should be out in less than a week. Sep 25 21:37:33 ok, but is the flasher for the device aviable? Sep 25 21:37:40 or over my windowns machine Sep 25 21:38:00 windows* Sep 25 21:39:17 Flipi, you are better asking on #meego-arm but yes, flasher 3.5 is available on windows aswell, and you can boot the meego kernel with flasher, without actually 'installing' it on the n900, once you reboot, maemo will work again Sep 25 21:39:22 I hope F14 cleans up the mess that was F13 Sep 25 21:50:43 hello! I tried using the rescue inird on my n900 (running maemo currently). It boots, but the backlight is off, and no matter what I do it reboots in about 5 seconds Sep 25 21:52:53 a maemo rescue initrd? Sep 25 21:53:16 no, I'm trying to use this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Sep 25 21:53:33 the phone currently has the standard maemo install on it Sep 25 21:54:23 gives a flasher for the N900 Sep 25 21:54:40 or musst i flash from my windows system? Sep 25 21:55:58 Flipi, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ (flashers for other systems) Sep 25 21:59:39 after a little reading -- fedora 14 is only giving the meego netbook UX option Sep 25 22:00:49 a little reading is a dangerious things Sep 25 22:05:28 that's why I have to watch my quota (getting close to max for today) Sep 25 22:24:03