**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 27 02:59:57 2010 Sep 27 03:25:02 morning Sep 27 04:21:47 uhm there's something wrong with this meego, everytime I wake up my netbook, my modem/ap internet connection stops working :| Sep 27 04:37:13 bef0rd: check if there's a bugzilla about that, if not, file one Sep 27 04:44:17 will check sofar, it wasnt happening with previous image though Sep 27 06:57:43 morning all Sep 27 06:58:16 morn slaine Sep 27 07:18:27 can anyone tell me if this disk is running in sata mode or ide ? Sep 27 07:18:28 ata3.00: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300) Sep 27 07:18:28 [ 2.560164] ata3.01: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) Sep 27 07:18:28 [ 2.565904] ata3.00: ATA-8: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB, SSD 6.00, max UDMA/133 Sep 27 07:18:28 [ 2.565916] ata3.00: 31277232 sectors, multi 1: LBA48 Sep 27 07:18:28 [ 2.591056] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133 Sep 27 07:18:29 [ 2.591407] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA SanDisk pSSD-S2 SSD PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 Sep 27 07:27:36 segobi: clearly says "ata3.00: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps" Sep 27 07:30:51 yeah just though because it also says sata link down Sep 27 07:30:53 again Sep 27 07:31:04 that's the other port Sep 27 07:31:11 3:01 Sep 27 07:31:16 ah ok thx Sep 27 07:31:19 most sata controllers have 2 ports Sep 27 07:31:31 thanks for the info! Sep 27 07:31:33 didnt see it Sep 27 07:32:13 most sata drives can run in IDE mode right ? Sep 27 07:32:39 I got some external case for that mini pci express SSD and it only runs IDE not SATA Sep 27 07:32:59 hope its compatible Sep 27 09:48:51 hi Sep 27 09:50:29 anybody knows how much will Nokia N9 with Meego os sell ? Sep 27 09:51:13 no, we don't own timemachines Sep 27 09:51:27 tigorhugo: it's not a published product, so there's no way of telling Sep 27 09:51:27 haha Sep 27 09:51:41 Stskeeps: speak for yourself.. *efg* Sep 27 09:52:41 I own a microwave that could pass from a time machine. Sep 27 09:53:47 are pyqt applications preferred for meego? Sep 27 09:57:43 Google says yes Sep 27 10:06:57 exit Sep 27 10:06:59 quit Sep 27 10:10:45 try "lol" =) Sep 27 11:55:22 hi all, what about n900 port? Sep 27 11:55:35 foxfell, what about it? Sep 27 11:56:29 i mean: where can i get status Sep 27 11:58:05 foxfell, http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Sanity20100924 Sep 27 11:58:43 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Acceptance20100927 too Sep 27 11:58:43 :P Sep 27 11:58:52 tnx Sep 27 11:59:04 foxfell, go with Stskeeps' one, the one I pointed to is old :P Sep 27 12:00:35 so can you or can't you make phonecalls with it yet? Sep 27 12:00:39 you can Sep 27 12:00:56 so what's phonesim? Sep 27 12:01:25 phonesim is a phone simulator for ofono Sep 27 12:01:34 alternate driver, n900 modem is in use on n900 Sep 27 12:37:50 ok guys i got me a microssd card from my gf Sep 27 12:37:52 2 GB Sep 27 12:38:05 but she does not have an adapter Sep 27 13:02:59 fcrozat, isnt that kernel thing a holdover from fedora's kernel policy? Sep 27 13:03:17 FunkyPenguin: no, it is a patch in libzypp meego package Sep 27 13:03:31 at least, it is not describe as a "policy" Sep 27 13:03:38 s/describe/described/ Sep 27 13:03:39 fcrozat meant: at least, it is not described as a "policy" Sep 27 13:03:47 thanks infobot :) Sep 27 13:04:45 fcrozat, fair enough, i just remember RHT used to always install all kernels in parrelel and let users choose which they wanted Sep 27 13:05:14 FunkyPenguin: we had a similar policy at Mandriva. But you end with a lot of kernel installed Sep 27 13:05:25 we tried to teach MandrivaUpdate to remove all but 3 kernels Sep 27 13:05:30 what happens if you just use yum for package management instead of zypp? Sep 27 13:05:39 but it was just workarounding the issue Sep 27 13:06:08 FunkyPenguin: no idea.. gpk is using libzypp and I'm not really interested in testing yet another package manager Sep 27 13:07:06 heh Sep 27 13:07:30 Anyone considered removing redundant package managers, etc? Sep 27 13:16:03 FunkyPenguin, khello Sep 27 13:19:11 seif_, ahlan Sep 27 13:28:52 Jaffa: ping Sep 27 13:32:57 wow meego is slow on the n900 Sep 27 13:33:01 very very slow Sep 27 13:33:26 seif_: what version did you download? Sep 27 13:33:36 and first boot is always slow Sep 27 13:33:46 keep in mind nothing is prestarted Sep 27 13:34:19 not the boot Sep 27 13:34:22 working with it Sep 27 13:34:27 non responsive at all Sep 27 13:34:34 as in the UX Sep 27 13:34:54 hmm, that sounds different than my experience Sep 27 13:34:56 what class SD Sep 27 13:34:57 ? Sep 27 13:35:06 huh? Sep 27 13:35:13 you know there's class 2,4,6 etc.. Sep 27 13:35:22 hwo do i figure it out Sep 27 13:35:22 ? Sep 27 13:35:29 usually there's a nice circle on the microsd Sep 27 13:36:25 no circled here Sep 27 13:36:32 its a scandisk 2 GB Sep 27 13:36:35 if it matters Sep 27 13:36:45 then it's probably a class 1, ie, bloody slow :P Sep 27 13:37:42 how can i get it on my emmc Sep 27 13:37:43 ? Sep 27 13:37:47 can't, atm Sep 27 13:39:20 Myrtti: pong Sep 27 13:43:29 Stskeeps, r u running meeg ofulltime Sep 27 13:43:33 not yet Sep 27 13:43:37 i will, eventually Sep 27 13:43:40 to eat my own dogfood Sep 27 13:43:48 wht version r u using Sep 27 13:43:56 right now? 0924.4 Sep 27 13:46:19 same here Sep 27 13:46:53 Stskeeps, why can i see the battery status yet Sep 27 13:47:00 or the wlan Sep 27 13:47:06 wlan works fine Sep 27 13:49:27 hmm, booting latest MeeGo on N900 hangs at "Generating SSH1 RSA host key: _" (like BMO#708) Sep 27 13:49:56 version? Sep 27 13:50:45 meego-handset-armv7l-n900acceptance-1.0.90.4.20100924.4 Sep 27 13:50:58 ok Sep 27 13:51:05 file a bug, didn't see that before though Sep 27 13:51:12 and CC carsten@maemo.org on it Sep 27 13:51:25 thanks Sep 27 13:53:01 * Jaffa needs to download the latest image and flash his N900. Sep 27 13:58:31 Stskeeps, could it be that meego does not ask for the pin Sep 27 14:10:30 seif_: yes and phone functionality will only work on one without pin atm Sep 27 14:12:26 if only maemo supported portrait mode Sep 27 14:15:44 seif_: Maemo does support portrait mode. Sep 27 14:15:58 seif_: I suspect you mean "if only more applications on Maemo supported portrait mode". Sep 27 14:16:13 Jaffa, yeah that is what i meant Sep 27 14:16:17 example the home screen Sep 27 14:17:53 trying nitdroid Sep 27 15:07:27 evening zenvoid Sep 27 15:07:43 hello Stskeeps Sep 27 15:37:21 Hello, my name is TejWC. I am rather new here and I got a silly question. Right now MeeGo on the "Netbook" looks very different than MeeGo on the handset or tablet. So, this is difference going to stay like this or will the UI converge at some point? Sep 27 15:44:06 I guess nobody is actually actively reading this channel :-/ Sep 27 15:47:03 TejWC: i'm not sure, but i think netbook is a legacy ui and might eventually be replaced with a qt based one Sep 27 15:48:25 Stskeeps: Thanks. I assume the legacy is due to the "Moblin" project inheritance so I guess I can safely ignore it. Sep 27 16:07:48 hello, anyone interested in participating in an open source study? Sep 27 16:10:01 hi, anyone into madde or meego sdk? I'm trying to install madde but create_from_image fails Sep 27 16:47:51 btw. i saw a first-device-with-meego announce today, WeTab. Sep 27 16:48:24 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/WePad-and-NFS-NPad/ Sep 27 16:48:36 :nod: Sep 27 16:49:01 I would like to see the WeTab with an ARM Sep 27 16:49:15 Pre-order only :( Sep 27 16:49:20 the power savings alone would be worth it Sep 27 16:49:31 wmarone: many people would like to :) Sep 27 16:51:18 i'd say there's no reason to use x86 in mobile devices unless you're running windows Sep 27 16:53:53 slonopotamus: or if you are sponsored by Intel ;) Sep 27 17:11:43 I have a question about the MeeGo downloads for netbooks. Is the only difference in both downloads is that one comes with Google Chrome? What does the one without the Google Chrome come with? Sep 27 17:15:40 Hi everybody, can someone tell me whats the default root password for meego-ivi? I couldnt specify one at the installation. Sep 27 17:25:19 kaosum: the other one comes with Chromium (the open source version of chrome) Sep 27 17:30:51 sNiff3ls: root and meego passwords are likely 'meego' without the quotes Sep 27 17:31:57 hm but if i type sudo and use meego as passwort it says: "meego is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported." Sep 27 17:32:09 hmpf su works... Sep 27 17:32:13 thanks Sep 27 17:32:18 well as the error says Sep 27 17:32:25 the meego user isn't in /etc/sudoers Sep 27 17:32:36 you'd need to add it, but as you see su works Sep 27 17:32:52 I can confirm that the passwords are "meego" Sep 27 17:33:19 CosmoHill maybe ;) Sep 27 17:34:02 sNiff3ls: You'd want to add the following line to /etc/sudoers (using visudo): Sep 27 17:34:46 meego ALL=(ALL) Sep 27 17:35:08 scrub that, should be: Sep 27 17:35:12 meego ALL=(ALL) ALL Sep 27 17:35:55 yeah found it already Sep 27 17:35:58 thanks anyway Sep 27 17:36:09 np Sep 27 17:55:00 wb auke Sep 27 17:55:08 pidgin say POOF Sep 27 17:55:17 ok quick question Sep 27 17:55:21 qt or pyqt? Sep 27 17:55:29 MTF Sep 27 17:56:07 mtf? Sep 27 17:56:17 meego touch framework Sep 27 17:56:24 did anyone try QT-Quick on meego? Sep 27 18:06:50 woo, transifex-client finally made it to trunk Sep 27 18:07:14 diegobz: ^^ Sep 27 18:07:18 auke: what is it? Sep 27 18:07:23 is it an app you created? Sep 27 18:07:34 a cli for transifex. no it's just the upstream package. Sep 27 18:07:51 auke: do you know how i can submit bugs Sep 27 18:08:03 or rather how i can setup and build the source Sep 27 18:08:26 those are 2 very different things :) Sep 27 18:08:40 everything is in src.rpms that you can rpmbuild Sep 27 18:08:49 auke: sorry. i meant patches for bugs Sep 27 18:08:52 submitting bugs? -> bugs.meego.com Sep 27 18:08:56 i need the source to build Sep 27 18:09:30 you can extract src.rpms and then you get the source code and all patches Sep 27 18:09:40 auke: where can i find src.rpms? Sep 27 18:10:14 repo.meego.com Sep 27 18:11:06 auke: should i look under build/trunk? Sep 27 18:14:30 theplic: I can't anser that, you need to figure out yourself which src.rpm's are for your system Sep 27 18:14:49 auke: ok ty Sep 27 18:15:01 does the repo have ftp access? Sep 27 18:17:12 CosmoHill: are you asking me? Sep 27 18:20:43 CosmoHill: afaik no Sep 27 18:20:47 ftp? what's that? Sep 27 18:21:23 something that allows me to go "get *" :) Sep 27 18:21:53 and now you know why we don't have ftp Sep 27 18:21:59 :( Sep 27 18:22:12 haha Sep 27 18:22:28 not like wget can't crawl a folder for you Sep 27 18:22:47 it can? :o Sep 27 18:23:08 just mirror the folder with a depth of 1 Sep 27 18:23:35 theplic: You might also find this documentation about submitting patches to meego useful: http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines Sep 27 18:24:33 DawnFoster: thanks but what i really need is help on how to setup the dev environment Sep 27 18:25:16 auke: I have a plan for meego from scratch Sep 27 18:31:42 CosmoHill: haha Sep 27 18:31:59 I have quiet a lot of plans at the moment and some of them are stressing me out :/ Sep 27 18:32:38 * theplic gives CosmoHill some coffee Sep 27 18:32:53 * CosmoHill waves his wand and turns it into tea Sep 27 18:33:14 no idea where I got this liquid wand from, I think an op gave it to me in another channel Sep 27 18:33:58 oh Sep 27 18:34:01 i like tea Sep 27 18:34:18 especially lemon Sep 27 18:34:18 I've never had coffee Sep 27 18:52:35 I intend to develop a camera app for meego...any idea which hardware i should plan to test the app? Sep 27 18:52:49 anything that can implement gst-photography, i think Sep 27 18:53:35 i want to use QT, QT Mobility and Gstreamer.. Sep 27 18:54:44 Hiyo... I've got access to the Meego buildservice instance but had kind of given up on it since I couldn't find the webui instance or it didn't exist or something... Has any of that changed/plan to change now that there is new servers and shinies at OSUOSL for MeeGo's buildservice? Sep 27 18:55:29 there's supposed to open a community obs fairly soon Sep 27 18:56:05 Yup.. but I already have access to the non-community one, I just can't figure out osc well enough to navigate it. Sep 27 18:56:36 build.meego.com - what do you plan on doing there? Sep 27 18:57:02 ah! now it's there? Sep 27 18:57:09 Stskeeps: kde plasma-mobile builds Sep 27 19:22:03 auke: awesome! Sep 27 19:27:17 Cool, Nokia Netbook is on the Gadget show on channel 5 now Sep 27 19:28:47 On the handset UX, mdecorator crashes for me with these errors: http://pastebin.ca/1949830 Am I doing something obviously wrong? The stylesheets it's asking for do indeed not exist, but they aren't installed by the stylesheet packages. Sep 27 21:04:27 Stskeeps: do you remember what the screen size/xrandr output on n900 is again? Sep 27 21:06:15 nvm found it Sep 27 21:06:36 what was it? Sep 27 21:06:42 800x480 Sep 27 21:06:48 not bad Sep 27 21:07:12 what's american tv, 600x480? Sep 27 21:07:56 I think 640'ish, for SD Sep 27 21:07:57 640x480i Sep 27 21:08:05 640 for regular and 854 for widescreen Sep 27 21:08:14 that's what comes out of my video grabber :) Sep 27 21:08:26 1920 for widescreen ;) Sep 27 21:08:27 for OTA SD content Sep 27 21:08:40 OTA HD content is mixed 1080i/720p Sep 27 21:08:43 so I could almost replace my TV with a n900 Sep 27 21:09:08 I wonder if you can plug in a USB OTA DVB-T ATSC tuner and watch tv Sep 27 21:09:11 on n900 Sep 27 21:09:18 (well that's a lie since we use 576i over here) Sep 27 21:09:20 or equivalent for europe Sep 27 21:09:53 PAL has a higher resolution at lower framerate == same factual data density Sep 27 21:10:04 PAL = 25fps, NTSC = 29.97fps Sep 27 21:10:08 interesting Sep 27 21:10:13 HD is 60fps for 1080i Sep 27 21:10:25 or 30fps for 720p/1080p Sep 27 21:10:57 1080p is 24, 30 or 60 Sep 27 21:11:04 yes Sep 27 21:11:13 24 for pal Sep 27 21:11:25 it's something stupid like 24.9 Sep 27 21:11:29 yes Sep 27 21:11:32 same with ntsc Sep 27 21:11:40 29.97 (who came up with that?) Sep 27 21:12:33 "30's a nice round number....to round..." Sep 27 21:13:34 whilst on the topic of resolutions, does an xbox 360 support 1680x1050 via vga? Sep 27 21:13:58 you mean, on a d-sub cable? Sep 27 21:14:04 yes Sep 27 21:14:29 I'm not sure if the chip does, but that resolution is within the limits of what should be possible Sep 27 21:14:48 now I need to get me a vga cable...and an xbox Sep 27 21:31:57 CosmoHill, yes. Sep 27 21:32:06 CosmoHill, at least as far as I can remember. Sep 27 21:32:18 1440x900, too, I think. Sep 27 21:32:26 I've had a 360 controller for years so I figured at some point I should get the rest Sep 27 21:33:31 You're done for now. :P Sep 27 21:39:57 <__key__> what exactly is meego ? Sep 27 21:40:09 <__key__> i mean, is it an OS for my iphone 4 ? Sep 27 21:40:29 do you know what the meego website is? Sep 27 21:40:38 <__key__> CosmoHill, no Sep 27 21:40:47 where did you read of the channel? Sep 27 21:40:54 <__key__> FreeNode Sep 27 21:40:58 bullshit Sep 27 21:41:01 <__key__> ? Sep 27 21:41:20 <__key__> from /list Sep 27 21:41:22 there are 1000s of channels on here so I dounbt that you'll stubble across one Sep 27 21:41:29 <__key__> yours is big Sep 27 21:41:37 <__key__> a very big channel you have here Sep 27 21:41:38 www.meego.com Sep 27 21:41:47 <__key__> ahh, that is, your website ? Sep 27 21:41:56 it's meego's website Sep 27 21:42:09 <__key__> this, meego, can i run it on my iPad ? Sep 27 21:42:29 maybe in the future if apple allow third party OSes on it Sep 27 21:42:39 ask apple :) Sep 27 21:42:46 <__key__> apple's lame huh Sep 27 21:42:57 <__key__> what about running a small cluster with meego boxes ? Sep 27 21:43:07 <__key__> like a beowolf cluster Sep 27 21:43:17 read the website first Sep 27 21:43:26 <__key__> ok, so first read the website Sep 27 21:43:36 __key__: great idea. Let us know how it goes Sep 27 21:43:36 <__key__> then i can come back to the channel? Sep 27 21:43:57 <__key__> ok, will do! Sep 27 21:44:02 after you have the beowolf cluster? sure Sep 27 21:44:49 <__key__> hrmm Sep 27 21:44:54 <__key__> the site's down ? Sep 27 21:45:18 <__key__> i get error 404 Sep 27 21:45:34 http://meego.com/ Sep 27 21:45:36 works for me Sep 27 21:45:51 <__key__> ahh Sep 27 21:45:54 <__key__> nginx, nice Sep 27 21:46:18 <__key__> i was trying, http://meego.com/cluster Sep 27 21:46:24 okay Sep 27 21:46:38 keep reading the website and you'll find out that meego is not for clusters Sep 27 21:46:42 <__key__> alright then, will ready the site and get back to u. later! Sep 27 21:46:51 troll? Sep 27 21:47:47 close Sep 27 21:51:56 I don't see why you couldn't run meego on a cluster Sep 27 21:52:22 but, anyone asking about it should be ignored. If you want to run a cluster you better know how to google :) Sep 27 21:52:42 I actually used meego as a host system to make LFS Sep 27 21:53:13 well, you can use any OS that has a decent compiler chain for that Sep 27 21:53:40 knoppix was being annoying Sep 27 22:56:06 what is the best way to debug when mic craps out with "error: not an rpm file" ? Sep 28 00:07:53 cyas Sep 28 00:14:38 is there a kickstart for ivi with emgd? Sep 28 00:34:22 guys anyone check out the new meego ux video...meego running on TI OMAP..its very fast and smooth check it out in youtube Sep 28 00:35:19 youtube.com/watch?v=S20k1mvL8d0 Sep 28 00:46:01 <__key__> wh00p Sep 28 00:46:09 <__key__> checked out the website earlier Sep 28 00:46:21 <__key__> i see you guys are gonna run meego in cars Sep 28 00:46:22 <__key__> ? Sep 28 00:48:53 <__key__> wh00p Sep 28 00:48:55 * __key__ waits Sep 28 01:50:37 <__key__> so, meego is in beta ? Sep 28 01:51:24 <__key__> Sep 28 02:14:18 damn Sep 28 02:14:57 i upgraded to the latest MIC, and now I get: failed to run mic inside bootstrap environment, error code -4 Sep 28 02:15:51 well fuck a dickety duck **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 28 02:59:57 2010