**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 02 02:59:57 2010 Oct 02 05:01:43 hey guys Oct 02 05:01:56 if i have the day1 stuff installed natively Oct 02 05:02:07 can i update from a repository to the current stuff Oct 02 05:59:32 seiflotfy: I think there is no installer for the latest pkg, so need to upgrade from v1.0 pkg (day1 stuff) Oct 02 07:09:28 http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.sep.html <- new irc stats Oct 02 09:32:43 Hi all! Oct 02 09:33:07 Stupids questions incoming ... Oct 02 09:35:40 first : do I have to make my own meego netbook built from scratch in order to change zone transition effects & speed ? I would prefer a single slide instead of zoom out ->slide-> zoom in while pressingAlt+Tab Oct 02 09:37:28 seconc stupid question : I"ve added maximize and restore buttons on title bars with gnone-config in metacity options but any maximized windows ... Oct 02 09:37:56 ... (say, terminal) will lost automatic refresh content Oct 02 09:39:45 I mean if I type some text in the maximized terminal window, it won"t show up until I'm playing with Meego toolbar or switching to another zone... Oct 02 09:39:50 any idea ? Oct 02 10:03:48 is meego 1.1 going to release for n900 Oct 02 10:04:49 yes, we're on a fixed release schedule Oct 02 10:05:35 stskeeps: YAY would that be offical? Oct 02 10:10:16 stskeeps: YAY would that be offical? Oct 02 10:10:18 it might not be the best product but its the meego platform as is Oct 02 10:10:30 and official from meego.com, not a nokia product Oct 02 10:10:49 so depending on your perspective you might be disappointed Oct 02 10:11:47 stskeeps: YAY would that be offical? Oct 02 10:12:17 2:06] it might not be the best product but its the meego platform as is Oct 02 10:12:20 [12:06] and official from meego.com, not a nokia product Oct 02 10:12:22 [12:06] so depending on your perspective you might be disappointed Oct 02 10:13:02 ok and is it gonna be fully functional? Oct 02 10:13:27 no, things take time Oct 02 10:13:37 but we have call audio, sms for instance Oct 02 10:13:59 and fully functional is such a difficult term Oct 02 10:14:38 developers r working to make it max functional rite? Oct 02 10:15:12 yes, of course Oct 02 10:15:28 the problem is just what functional means :) Oct 02 10:15:36 what does it mean to you? Oct 02 10:17:17 Does anyone know when the first official meego-based phone is coming? Oct 02 10:17:19 >_> Oct 02 10:17:22 for me ... i want basic phone work like calls n sms, meego apps shd work perfect , camera fully working , internet fully working with all technologies like edge ,wifi etc Oct 02 10:17:48 Sadaathere: ok, that should be possible eventually Oct 02 10:18:04 but you'll get first taste of it in 1.1 Oct 02 10:18:11 the work continues in 1.2 Oct 02 10:18:40 Megatomte: no one will tell you when their product ships until it ships Oct 02 10:18:46 yea i wanna taste meego Oct 02 10:18:57 I s'pose Oct 02 10:19:09 rumors say its gonna b N9 Oct 02 10:19:18 Sadaathere: SD cards usually don't taste very good Oct 02 10:19:23 Are there any under active development, known that is Oct 02 10:19:33 I read about aavamobile yesterday, seemed interesting Oct 02 10:19:33 Sadaathere: rumours are just that, rumours: we don't know if that is true or not Oct 02 10:19:56 thats y i said rumor lol Oct 02 10:19:56 guys asking questions, the engineers are always the last to know about marketing decisions Oct 02 10:20:12 .D Oct 02 10:20:14 can we port it to emmc thiago? Oct 02 10:20:25 port what? Oct 02 10:20:28 and what emmc? Oct 02 10:20:48 meego to n900 internal memory Oct 02 10:20:56 yes Oct 02 10:21:02 Guys, I have ofono-0.31 on my meego netbook ux. It detects my modem as well. I have connman 0.61 but it does not show the modem. I assume there is some disconnect between connman and ofono here. Can someone help me wth this please? Oct 02 10:21:10 depends on how much work you're willing to put into making it work. Oct 02 10:21:24 Its a 3g device. Huawei ec1261. Oct 02 10:21:34 ChildOfGod: you want to make calls? Oct 02 10:21:38 no Oct 02 10:21:42 just connect to internet Oct 02 10:21:55 then ofono shouldn't have anything to do with it Oct 02 10:21:58 most importantly i need to see it in carrick panel. i want users to be able to interactt Oct 02 10:22:15 thiago_home: but i thought ofono was suposed to take care of 3g modems Oct 02 10:22:42 ofono is supposed to do telephony Oct 02 10:23:09 ok. So is there a way I can get the 3g modem to show in connman/carrick panel? Oct 02 10:23:41 (I thought ofono and connman are compatible via dbus api and connman show 3g devices picked up from ofono) Oct 02 10:23:45 thiago_home : porting meego to internall memory will make it fast or not on n900? Oct 02 10:23:52 Sadaathere: I don't know Oct 02 10:24:06 Sadaathere: but the internal memory is far too small on the N900 for useful things. Oct 02 10:24:17 thiago_home: So does connman have a separate 3g detection module of its own? Oct 02 10:24:33 ChildOfGod: the 3G modem should appear as a normal USB modem Oct 02 10:24:41 yes it does. Oct 02 10:24:48 then that's all connman should need Oct 02 10:24:59 i mean its 32gb internal memory Oct 02 10:25:12 Sadaathere: I thougth you meant the 256 MB internal NAND memory Oct 02 10:25:26 lol nt dat Oct 02 10:25:42 Sadaathere: probablyh for 1.2 Oct 02 10:25:43 yeah, running on the internal memory should be faster than from the SD card Oct 02 10:25:50 thiago_home: but it does not. How do I debug this? I use d-feet to see the interfaces as well, and I start connman in debug mode Oct 02 10:25:55 but it doesnt detect Oct 02 10:26:26 so its gonna be laggy like nitdroid Oct 02 10:26:39 if installed on sd cards Oct 02 10:27:15 not necessarily Oct 02 10:27:29 faster / slower are relative terms, as you may have learned in grammar classes :-) Oct 02 10:28:01 suppose i get class 10 sd card would dat effect its speed? Oct 02 10:28:47 morning chaps Oct 02 10:29:20 thiago_home: suppose i get class 10 sd card would dat effect its speed? Oct 02 10:29:21 if you get a faster card, it will be faster Oct 02 10:29:21 thiago_home: Is there a specific plugin for connman that detects 3g devices? Oct 02 10:29:28 whether that's fast enough, yout ell us Oct 02 10:29:46 ChildOfGod: no idea. I've never tried to debug it. Oct 02 10:30:10 ok. Oct 02 10:30:39 i guess 1.1 meego for n900 is present in meego repository Oct 02 10:30:49 yes it is Oct 02 10:31:42 y they didnt show on release page? is it not ready yet ? Oct 02 10:31:55 it's not released yet Oct 02 10:33:22 release date is 15 to 20 oct Oct 02 10:33:44 * thiago_home looks at the calendar Oct 02 10:33:52 no, we're not oct 15 to 20 yet :-) Oct 02 10:34:41 i mean that's wat they said on release page for meego 1.1 Oct 02 10:37:55 are there any (experimental) wrt for 1.1 Oct 02 10:42:47 yes Oct 02 10:47:42 ahh. nice Oct 02 12:00:01 hi Oct 02 12:00:10 hi Oct 02 12:00:41 hi Oct 02 12:12:10 'lo Oct 02 12:15:23 Oct 02 12:27:00 Throwing this one out there should anyone know Oct 02 12:27:35 I've been told that there may be a screengrab/video recording app available. Does anyone know if there is or what it's name is? Oct 02 12:27:50 ideally want to record videos of the UI for buuuuuuuugs Oct 02 12:37:06 stephg: Such an app would be very useful -- hope you find it Oct 02 12:37:41 yarp as do I Oct 02 12:37:43 :) Oct 02 12:53:59 okay so what's this all about then? Oct 02 12:54:13 confused Oct 02 12:54:14 who is here? Oct 02 12:54:26 hello lbt Oct 02 12:54:48 hey :) Oct 02 12:55:09 hello lbt! :) Oct 02 12:55:13 so, welcome to irc and #meego Oct 02 12:55:16 sarah is Guest 42541 ;) Oct 02 12:55:17 hi aimee Oct 02 12:55:33 we are in the discovery centre trying to figure out this irc thing! ;) Oct 02 12:55:51 lbt - do I want to buy some amazon ec2? Oct 02 12:55:52 * lbt is confused ... who is aimee ? mark ? Oct 02 12:55:59 just a friend :) Oct 02 12:56:10 mark is also sitting right next to us. Oct 02 12:56:14 * lbt waves Oct 02 12:56:15 how many people are in this chat room? Oct 02 12:56:19 aimee is clever Oct 02 12:56:22 hundreds Oct 02 12:56:28 actually sarah found this webchat site. Oct 02 12:56:29 I was telling you about aimee yesterday Oct 02 12:56:33 this is the meego area Oct 02 12:56:43 ah, that's aimee... good to meet you Oct 02 12:56:45 i tried making sarah do it through Smuxi client but it wouldn't let us cos we're at the library. Oct 02 12:56:52 *nod* Oct 02 12:56:55 good to meet you too lbt ... :) Oct 02 12:57:07 what does lbt actually stand for? Oct 02 12:57:09 so amazon ec2?? Oct 02 12:57:15 little blue thing.... Oct 02 12:57:20 awwwww! Oct 02 12:57:28 funny, my husband is littlebluefish on twitter! :D Oct 02 12:57:28 tell us the story Oct 02 12:57:45 * lbt always wanted a "little ping thing" turntable.... Oct 02 12:58:17 http://www.turntable-power-supply.com/turntables_fitting/pink_triangle_lpt_fitting.htm Oct 02 12:58:26 anyhoo.... Oct 02 12:58:35 mrs "work work work".... EC2 Oct 02 12:58:47 oh, awesome!! is it a make your own record player? Oct 02 12:59:00 it's too exciting!!! Oct 02 12:59:09 how do I change my id? Oct 02 12:59:39 maybe there was already someone else called sarah. Oct 02 12:59:39 type /nick name Oct 02 12:59:45 since it didn't mind me being called aimee. Oct 02 13:00:26 * lbt rofl Oct 02 13:00:29 heh Oct 02 13:01:01 too hard :( Oct 02 13:01:10 that's better Oct 02 13:01:11 yeahhh!! Oct 02 13:01:16 \o/ Oct 02 13:01:21 got there Oct 02 13:01:21 yey!! Oct 02 13:01:24 yay! works!! Oct 02 13:01:48 i love how IRC has been around since the internet began and is still used today! Oct 02 13:01:57 OK ... so we can chat in here or wander off if need be Oct 02 13:02:23 * lbt practically lives on it now... we use it for our distributed teams Oct 02 13:03:19 this is the community channel for meego though... so maybe we should wander off... #civicrm ? Oct 02 13:03:30 ah Oct 02 13:03:32 maybe not Oct 02 13:03:50 mmm #civic_in_winchester Oct 02 13:06:33 * Aard is confused Oct 02 13:07:32 Aard: couple of friends ... we want to setup a CRM for a local charity Oct 02 13:07:51 crm? Oct 02 13:08:13 Customer Relationship Management Oct 02 13:08:30 bugzilla for businesses Oct 02 13:08:55 based on meego? ;) Oct 02 13:09:13 heh, 'CRM UX' ;p Oct 02 13:10:24 Aard: no it's a general concept Oct 02 13:12:38 Stkeeps: oh god can you imagine the pain? Oct 02 13:18:16 * Stskeeps is tired after 5 hours worth of shopping Oct 02 13:18:29 Stskeeps: retail therapy to recover from fennec? Oct 02 13:18:30 :P Oct 02 13:18:45 a tad Oct 02 13:34:21 5 hours of shopping? Yeesh Oct 02 13:52:22 is there a graphical package manager service on Meego ? Oct 02 13:52:54 PackageKit may be ? Oct 02 13:55:57 Better question: Is there a package list, services that I can access on MeeGo to ? (pkg repository and so on) Oct 02 13:59:17 djszapi: well there isnt a graphical one Oct 02 13:59:23 but you can still look at a list Oct 02 14:08:23 theplic: where is there a list ? Oct 02 14:11:49 one marketing discussion mail done.. now on to the ARM one Oct 02 14:12:16 djszapi: zypper pa Oct 02 14:12:31 you can direct it to a file and then search what you are looking for Oct 02 14:16:02 theplic: I am sorry but I do not have a meego mobile now, can you paste me that output file ? Oct 02 14:17:29 djszapi: what are you using atm? Oct 02 14:18:54 does meego have a pastebin? Oct 02 14:19:24 theplic: pastie.org -> Currently just PC with no MeeGo capability. Oct 02 14:22:33 djszapi: lol pastie.org couldnt hold all that data. Oct 02 14:22:39 here: http://pastebin.com/SYmTgfCs Oct 02 14:22:44 lawl Oct 02 14:23:13 PackageKit is graphical package manager in fact. Oct 02 14:25:07 djszapi: hmm i donno how to execute that Oct 02 14:46:55 sofar: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/lfs/bootchart-20101002-1525.svg :) thanks a lot Oct 02 14:47:10 only problem I have is that browers don't understand "width=100%" Oct 02 14:47:54 yup Oct 02 14:48:05 I need to pre-calc the width/height Oct 02 14:48:09 and put that in instead Oct 02 14:48:34 sofar: what do you use to view your bootcharts? Oct 02 14:48:51 inkscape, or a browser Oct 02 14:48:53 k Oct 02 14:49:03 firefox i've had issues with, seems not to scroll it Oct 02 14:49:14 Stskeeps: yes I just had that issue Oct 02 14:49:15 it varies Oct 02 14:49:22 it scrolls with the version I have at home Oct 02 14:49:28 you need to open the .svg file and edit the width and height mangually Oct 02 14:49:40 line 3 i think Oct 02 14:50:47 Stskeeps: did the one I linked to have scroll bars Oct 02 14:51:17 yes Oct 02 14:51:43 you see line three in the source code. I edited that by hand Oct 02 14:51:58 :nod: Oct 02 14:52:18 about 100 pixels per second for width Oct 02 14:52:20 sofar: out of curiousity, why ~30 seconds of bootchart only? Oct 02 14:52:35 i know there's a command line setting but it's a bit nasty when it's init=/sbin/init Oct 02 14:52:43 er, init= Oct 02 14:52:51 init=/sbin/bootchartd ? Oct 02 14:53:02 yes, that's what i meant :P Oct 02 14:55:45 now I need to work out how to read it Oct 02 14:56:28 hm, geeqie (ex-gqview) seems to show .svg nicely enough Oct 02 14:57:47 hi lbt Oct 02 15:01:11 I think I managed to log in before LFS had finished booting Oct 02 15:32:50 hi sarahjones Oct 02 15:33:11 you're back!! Oct 02 15:33:36 was busy - didn't notice the msg :) Oct 02 15:33:38 how do you get to the bit where we were before?? Oct 02 15:34:08 busy bee Oct 02 15:34:32 hello Oct 02 15:35:24 Is there someone who know how I can use Meego as en entry in grub ? Oct 02 15:53:43 hi Oct 02 15:56:10 can somebody tell me, what to do next? i have done the steps for windows to install meego on mmc, but it won't boot meego. maybe that's because of the boot priority of the n900?! Oct 02 15:57:33 i tried it to fix it using the guide on the meego.com page, but there only steps for linux, right? so how to change the priority with windows? Oct 02 16:01:17 hi, what does the "l" in armv7l mean? Oct 02 16:28:07 Cquad: the same way as any other distro with an initrd file Oct 02 16:28:30 Cquad: Grub or Grub2? Oct 02 16:29:00 for grub2 this should help you: http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2010/04/23/red-hat-enterprise-linux-6-beta-grub-2/ Oct 02 16:30:14 guesto: little Oct 02 16:47:06 endian? Oct 02 18:03:49 <__key__> hrmm Oct 02 18:04:07 <__key__> !time Oct 02 18:04:14 <__key__> anyone have the time ? Oct 02 18:06:34 Well, here it's 19.05, but elsewhere it is something else ;) Oct 02 18:06:55 <__key__> great! Oct 02 18:07:49 ... Oct 02 18:26:21 now if only I understood how the ban regex syntax works Oct 02 18:28:27 nickname!ident@hostname Oct 02 18:28:54 it doesn't help that pidgin doesn't know how to ban Oct 02 18:29:11 and I'm too lazy to run more than 1 IM/IRC/... client Oct 02 18:29:26 at work I'm online on 8 protocols, 5 at home Oct 02 18:29:27 /mode +b foo!bar@baz Oct 02 18:29:31 that should always work Oct 02 18:29:35 oh Oct 02 18:29:38 cool Oct 02 18:29:41 it has nothing to do with regex actually :) Oct 02 18:29:51 well syntax Oct 02 18:30:10 freenode also has a few special case things Oct 02 18:30:28 I should test that on someone Oct 02 18:30:35 who can I ban for a secon? :) Oct 02 18:30:37 e.g. if you don't want to ban him but just prevent him to speak you'd use +q instead Oct 02 18:32:10 can you get back? Oct 02 18:32:12 :) Oct 02 18:32:14 nope Oct 02 18:32:26 thanks Oct 02 18:32:37 not try that with +q Oct 02 18:32:41 ok Oct 02 18:33:15 18:32:01-!- #meego Cannot send to channel Oct 02 18:33:23 is that permanent tho? Oct 02 18:33:44 yes, as long as that person does not evade it by changing some part Oct 02 18:34:22 if you ever think you need expiry management you can start looking into 'eir' that's a management bot Oct 02 18:34:29 test - passed Oct 02 18:34:59 thanks Oct 02 18:35:21 also the freenode webpage is a valuable resource Oct 02 19:40:18 So, I've been following the IVI development on my carpc, and I think I must have messed something up as I've been updating packages. For one, I lost some of the icons on the ivihome (the home in the upper left for example). Any idea what could cause that? Oct 02 19:40:51 you might have to follow the package group too Oct 02 19:41:05 I looked at the FAQ, but nothing there applied. And I didn't see any bug reports on it... Oct 02 19:41:13 package group? Oct 02 19:42:06 * smithna isn't sure what "package group" refers too... Oct 02 19:42:37 in the .ks, the things starting with @ Oct 02 19:47:50 I am going to hate myself for having to say this.... I'm not familar with .ks -- I've been updating individual packages from the trunk repo Oct 02 19:51:25 Jaffa: for good measure, email is taken out cos it's simply too buggy Oct 02 19:51:47 it isn't getting deleted, just not included in 1.1, source is out there. Oct 02 19:52:06 Stskeeps: is modest still being used? Oct 02 19:52:13 TSCHAKeee2: i sure as hell hope not Oct 02 19:52:19 heheheh Oct 02 19:52:27 i don't know a single person in the world Oct 02 19:52:31 that likes it Oct 02 19:52:45 i had a mail friggen disappearing from my mail view the other day for no good reason Oct 02 19:52:50 had to go to my gmail to actually find it Oct 02 19:53:41 modest takes 3 minutes Oct 02 19:53:44 to start up on my n900 Oct 02 19:53:50 between each keypress between the panes Oct 02 19:54:03 pegging the CPU, each time Oct 02 19:54:53 :nod: Oct 02 19:55:44 Who'd've thought they could top osso-email in uselessness. Oct 02 19:55:52 i liked osso-email Oct 02 19:56:23 Jaffa: what's important to realise is that it's a platform, not a end-user target that's getting released in october. fairly easy to build and even take parts of 1.2 development in to provide something usable Oct 02 19:59:28 .ks = "kick start" Oct 02 19:59:31 yes Oct 02 20:05:25 meego may just need to be billed as a platform Oct 02 20:05:43 i think the personality split is hurting way too much Oct 02 20:06:17 yes Oct 02 20:06:31 when i saw this platform, i immediately understood that this was something for interested vendors to extend Oct 02 20:10:23 hmm... That's always been a question I wanted too ask (just not sure where too). Is Meego a distro for everyone or for device builders? An example: will IVI be useful to carpc hobbiest or is it aimed at car makers? Oct 02 20:10:57 smithna: right now, it's useful for people willing to put in the elbow grease Oct 02 20:10:58 it's for everyone wanting to build things using it Oct 02 20:11:33 hackers and device makers have a lot in common Oct 02 20:11:47 the challenge is bridging the communication gap Oct 02 20:13:52 TSCHAKeee2, which leaves it lacking the appeal of maemo.org. Oct 02 20:14:04 And that's unfortunate. Oct 02 20:14:06 I was curious about that as (given IVI, the only version I have looked at) some things were missing, problems that other distros had already solved. For example, the lack of udev rules for usb/bluetooth gps devices Oct 02 20:15:07 playing FLACs should perform much better now :) http://felipec.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/gst-av-0-4-better-performance-for-flac-vorbis-and-mp3-part-2/ Oct 02 20:15:12 GAN900: so what do you want, it being a full scale end user product? Oct 02 20:15:33 felipec: cool Oct 02 20:16:02 Stskeeps: 28 hours :) Oct 02 20:16:22 of playback? :P Oct 02 20:17:01 lol, yeap Oct 02 20:17:24 not bad Oct 02 20:19:30 i'm not going to convert my music collection to ogg though ;) Oct 02 20:19:36 or flac Oct 02 20:19:55 flac's a good option Oct 02 20:20:16 flac is great for audiophiles :) Oct 02 20:20:18 you can trivially convert to any other format if you want or need :) Oct 02 20:20:39 sure but coding lossy -> lossy is bad Oct 02 20:20:54 flac = Free Lossless Audio Codec Oct 02 20:21:03 hence it's a great storage format Oct 02 20:21:21 I have some good quality headphones, and I can definitely appreciate the different between FLAC and vorbis/mp3 Oct 02 20:21:22 arguably ogg is about as large as flac Oct 02 20:21:52 I can't even hear the difference between 96kbit audio and flac on a netbook :) Oct 02 20:23:15 must be one crappy audio card Oct 02 20:23:32 it could be the ipod mini headphones too Oct 02 20:25:39 could be; the sound quality from an ipod (shuffle, at least) has been remarkably good when I've given it a try Oct 02 20:26:15 but then again, I'm one of those sick individuals who buy high-eng earphones for home use.. Oct 02 20:28:31 I look at them and decide to spend my money elsewhere Oct 02 20:28:48 as in "I don't need that!!!" Oct 02 20:29:12 triple OTA DVB-T tuners in my home-built DVR takes presedence Oct 02 20:29:24 I just consider them investments in ergonomy Oct 02 20:29:47 sofar: are you familiar with LinuxMCE? I'm the lead dev. http://www.linuxmce.org/ :) Oct 02 20:30:05 Stskeeps, I'd like something that mixes that same magic of maemo.org and not a vendor-oriented, anti-hobbyist experience. Oct 02 20:30:36 TSCHAKeee2: no, what is that? Oct 02 20:30:49 GAN900: it's hardly anti-hobbyist as any given software engineer is comparable to any given hobbyist - you can't tell the difference on mailing lists or IRC Oct 02 20:31:03 sofar: a complete unified smart home platform, combining media and home automation in a single operating system Oct 02 20:31:19 sofar: unifying media, lighting, telephony, security, and climate control Oct 02 20:31:53 TSCHAKeee2: records HD tv and grabs listings from schedulesdirect? Oct 02 20:32:04 yes Oct 02 20:32:37 has a reasonable amount of dependencies and can be built without removing parts of my brain and sacrificing goats? Oct 02 20:32:51 maybe small furry animals Oct 02 20:32:58 sofar: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829 <-- demo Oct 02 20:33:01 oh no, it's a whole OS... fail Oct 02 20:33:02 sofar: it replaces everything. Oct 02 20:33:15 well, that ends my interest in it already Oct 02 20:33:21 sofar: why? the system is able to do things that nobody else can do at present Oct 02 20:33:31 sofar: watch the demo Oct 02 20:33:34 ;) Oct 02 20:33:36 it can't run on my OS -> can't do everything Oct 02 20:33:45 Stskeeps, by hobbyist, I don't necessarily mean people coding. Oct 02 20:33:56 sigh Oct 02 20:34:01 lol Oct 02 20:34:07 Stskeeps, I started out in Maemo as an end user. Oct 02 20:34:25 sofar: so, you're saying your duct taped setup is better than something that's had 8 years of development behind it? Oct 02 20:34:32 Stskeeps, I'd like not to see the contribution path that maemo.org offered be lost. Oct 02 20:35:28 lol video, a maze of menus Oct 02 20:35:37 TSCHAKeee2: for me, yup Oct 02 20:35:38 GAN900: well, maemo.org was great at community growth and contribution within the community.. but was it contribution to a product? Oct 02 20:35:57 sofar: watch the demo. :) Oct 02 20:36:12 TSCHAKeee2: don't get me wrong, I'm not a normal user. If I'd use something like linuxMCE I'd just buy a fricken device with it on it Oct 02 20:36:19 GAN900: as in, did we do anything else than improving community? Oct 02 20:36:40 sofar: indulge me? ;) Oct 02 20:37:11 Stskeeps, well, perhaps my efforts should focus on a new ITt-like website, instead. Oct 02 20:37:23 haha "only 3 buttons!" .... 30 seconds later "plus OK and Cancel" Oct 02 20:37:27 Since I'm not sure meego.com is compatible with those values. Oct 02 20:39:08 oh christ I see mythtv coming through the linuxmce UI Oct 02 20:39:23 worst UI ever Oct 02 20:39:48 I am working on rewriting it. Oct 02 20:40:01 mythtvfrontend? Oct 02 20:40:12 sofar: no, all the mythUI stuff is completely being replaced Oct 02 20:40:21 thank goodness Oct 02 20:40:23 blank skin, but everything running through the new orbiter Oct 02 20:40:34 orbiter in and of itself is a distributed UI Oct 02 20:40:34 in the current state mythtv-frontend is unsaveable Oct 02 20:40:43 something that mythfrontend could never do Oct 02 20:40:52 it could never pass the grandparents test Oct 02 20:41:06 sorry, the so called grandparents test is dubious Oct 02 20:41:11 but that's a whle other discussion Oct 02 20:45:15 lol the motion remote sounds like it's going to drive people nuts Oct 02 20:45:43 sofar: we support a whole bunch of different remotes, and tablets, pda's, a few IP phones, a few different cell phones as orbiters as well Oct 02 20:45:46 all kept in sync Oct 02 20:45:47 GAN900: i wouldn't mind iTT back.. Oct 02 20:46:30 Stskeeps, perhaps it would be best for everybody to leave meego.com to the engineers and the really dedicated hobbyists. Oct 02 20:47:19 GAN900: nah - there's obviously more to a platform than engineers :) Oct 02 20:47:24 And take the maemo.org-style community somewhere where professional collaboration isn't trying to take place. Oct 02 20:47:46 TSCHAKeee2: you don't like mythui? Oct 02 20:47:59 TSCHAKeee2: don't get me wrong stuff like linuxmce is nice, but my home box also dubs as a http/https server, firewall/dmz, etc, so I'm not going to replace that quickly with some ubuntu derivative (especially if I'm paid to work on meego) Oct 02 20:47:59 smithna: mythUI doesn't fit the goals of a house wide UI at all Oct 02 20:48:01 GAN900: what is a maemo.org-style community in your view? Oct 02 20:48:08 Yes, l10n, documentation, issue tracking, etc., etc. Oct 02 20:48:11 like, if you had to sum it up in a sentence or two Oct 02 20:48:17 I tried the method here http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd. After enabling USB storage mode, the phone just shows the dimmed Nokia logo after a few seconds (disconnects). How can I fix that ? Oct 02 20:48:28 I'd rather spend my free time investigating technology instead of consuming it Oct 02 20:48:48 thanks for taking the time to view it Oct 02 20:49:09 and thank you for your ever so tactful way of downplaying me and everything i stand for Oct 02 20:49:13 really appreciate it Oct 02 20:49:15 :) Oct 02 20:49:42 eh I'm a critic, and generally fobic of new projects that reek like KDE, ubuntu etc Oct 02 20:49:52 those that can Oct 02 20:49:54 do Oct 02 20:49:56 those that don't Oct 02 20:49:58 critique Oct 02 20:50:00 :) Oct 02 20:50:12 but really, again.. thakns. Oct 02 20:50:28 I'm paid to integrate new technologies in MeeGo, therefore, If I'm not a critic, shit will end up in MeeGo Oct 02 20:50:44 and if it didn't occur to you.. I am in here ,because one of my long term goals is to build a version of it on top of MeeGo Oct 02 20:50:48 starting with Orbiter Oct 02 20:51:32 mind you, i am doing it for free Oct 02 20:51:35 Stskeeps, at its core its an enthusiast community. Oct 02 20:51:35 not being paid, like you Oct 02 20:51:48 and if you ever need to enable some of your requirements in MeeGo, you can come straight to me and I can push it through the official MeeGo channels and see if we can support it Oct 02 20:52:06 Which gives you a lot of engaged users who usually end up becoming contributors. Oct 02 20:52:16 GAN900: right, that i do agree with - and the people involved in meego aren't enthusiasts for a open mobile platform? Oct 02 20:52:22 sofar: thank you. Oct 02 20:52:29 so while being a critic, I do appreciate everyone who wants to build something on MeeGo and will work hard "behind the curtain" to facilitate people that do stuff like that Oct 02 20:52:35 Stskeeps, so far it's mostly paid employees. Oct 02 20:52:40 and a few hardcore hackers Oct 02 20:53:03 But the issue comes down to it not catering to anybody who's just a user, engaged or not. Oct 02 20:53:33 Which is partially due to there being no devices yet and no usable platform to speak of. Oct 02 20:54:00 GAN900: playing devil's advocate here: how should a platform cater to users? Oct 02 20:54:14 like, areas you'd like to see it do so in Oct 02 20:54:16 But also a function of the type of collaboration that goes on in that space. Oct 02 20:54:35 Stskeeps, it doesn't, really, if people only ever see a vendor's intepretation. Oct 02 20:55:09 And by "it", I mean meego.com as a collaboration space. Oct 02 20:55:21 Not MeeGo as a software platform. Oct 02 20:55:28 well, it brings to an interesting point..let's say we have Nokia MeeGo eventually Oct 02 20:55:31 where should their bugs go? Oct 02 20:55:34 (why does the language for these discussions suck so much) Oct 02 20:55:58 As it stands, it's likely to be /dev/null Oct 02 20:56:09 Since clearly they're not welcome on meego.com Oct 02 20:56:26 depends, if they're meego.com components they're very welcome Oct 02 20:56:38 and clearly Nokia isn't going to offer a bugzilla. Oct 02 20:57:03 and we know how much Nokia (doesn't) Care. ;) Oct 02 20:57:45 So, real people only ever see vendors' interpretations of MeeGo. Oct 02 20:57:53 yes, likely Oct 02 20:58:00 Vendors' interpretations aren't relevant to meego.com Oct 02 20:58:14 so let's close it down and all go drinking Oct 02 20:58:17 * w00t_ nods Oct 02 20:58:21 hehehe Oct 02 20:58:27 w00t_: you can't leave the house, the feds have you surrounded Oct 02 20:58:35 Thus you can't really have real people under a certain contribution point involved in meego.com Oct 02 20:58:39 Stskeeps: eheh.. i do wonder what that was about Oct 02 20:58:49 they're over by my house, he's safe Oct 02 20:59:00 w00t_, do I need to come bust you out? Oct 02 20:59:36 Which leads me to my question of where (and how) do we set up the maemo.org magic? Oct 02 21:00:29 GAN900: where did maemo.org start out anyway? i think of the involvement with community as involvement by app developers in the platform and giving feedback on it Oct 02 21:00:36 in the beginning Oct 02 21:00:49 then it expanded to be more like user minded which well, didn't work well Oct 02 21:01:16 then there's the platform tinkers has a place as they can hack the platform Oct 02 21:01:25 TSCHAKeee2: ok just saw the end of the video. Overall: functionality == great. menu's look like a maze, too many web frontends involved? UI looks like a patch blanket a bit. Apart from that it looks extremely interestign and if I'd have a device to spare I'd try it out Oct 02 21:02:09 sofar: that demo is three years old, and we've been systematically dealing with those issues.. the UI will be completely replaced, which is part of the reason I am in here. Oct 02 21:03:30 Stskeeps, most of the core people started on ITt Oct 02 21:03:47 as a bunch of engaged users Oct 02 21:04:12 since maemo.org was just a bunch of docs and a giant wikipage for applications. Oct 02 21:04:14 sofar: as for me, i've budgeted the next 20 years of my research work time on this project. Oct 02 21:04:14 GAN900: right, and mailing lists? Oct 02 21:04:19 TSCHAKeee2: well, as soon as you have something demoable on meego... :) Oct 02 21:04:44 reminds me to wonder what the status of the community OBS is... Oct 02 21:04:51 i have to design a new UI paradigm that can work well across MeeGo, Android, iOS, etc. Oct 02 21:05:47 Stskeeps, those too, although nobody used them Oct 02 21:06:03 90% of the interesting stuff was on ITt. Oct 02 21:06:39 GAN900: so it was people tinkering with their devices, i guess? Oct 02 21:06:55 engaged users Oct 02 21:07:08 Basically, yeah. Oct 02 21:07:09 well, what does that mean. Oct 02 21:07:09 :P Oct 02 21:07:23 right Oct 02 21:08:52 so for the people tinkering with the platform there's still plenty of room, from a code basis, or making things work differently and contributing it back - in fact, they have even more opportunity Oct 02 21:09:03 as there's no stupid closed source in the platform Oct 02 21:09:18 * johnx cheers from the sideline Oct 02 21:09:38 i mean, even johnx is back Oct 02 21:09:38 :P Oct 02 21:10:18 the whole point of meego was to make a linux distro for vendors that developers (community) would support Oct 02 21:10:29 was/is Oct 02 21:10:54 but, it's a hard fight no matter what Oct 02 21:12:07 nothing stops anyone from making Freedom MeeGo either Oct 02 21:12:08 :P Oct 02 21:12:30 so vendors is a large term.. can be a hobbyist or a telco or a handset producer Oct 02 21:12:53 or a subset of people, like maemo.org Oct 02 21:12:54 :P Oct 02 21:12:54 a vendor could be an open source project making an open source product Oct 02 21:12:57 or, OLPC Oct 02 21:12:59 or ... Oct 02 21:13:00 :nod: Oct 02 21:13:03 or linuxmce Oct 02 21:13:03 :P Oct 02 21:13:50 but there is a concept of a 'vanilla' meego with no vendor modifications, right? Oct 02 21:13:58 right, which is the published platform + ref apps Oct 02 21:14:03 Stskeeps, except the conferences are on weekdays, people wanting to run MeeGo on Nvidia hardware are asked why Intel should have to support competitors, and things are generally very OEM focused. Oct 02 21:15:00 has anyone with an nvidia card solved whatever problem meego has with nvidia and tried to contribute back a patch? Oct 02 21:15:26 johnx: there's no real problem, someone just needs to take responsibility and contribute. problem is that we don't take closed drivers in kernel, it's bad form :P Oct 02 21:15:45 you don't take open ones either afaik Oct 02 21:15:45 GAN900: weekdays is a matter of attracting as many as needed - and even with weekdays we're at ~580 signups Oct 02 21:15:47 * w00t_ finds the bug report Oct 02 21:15:55 someone needs to package xf86-video-nouveau and pledge allegiance to the Trunk Oct 02 21:16:07 the important part is 'take responsibility and maintain it' Oct 02 21:16:20 Stskeeps, but it boots up with software GL, right? enough for them to yum install nvidia-driver? Oct 02 21:16:35 johnx: not the netbook ux Oct 02 21:16:44 aaaah Oct 02 21:16:48 now I see :) Oct 02 21:17:17 GAN900: things probably seem OEM focused as well, we're noone if we only attract hippies running meego on their freerunners Oct 02 21:18:11 Stskeeps, yes, well, doesn't make things friendlier. Oct 02 21:19:03 is there a reason netbook won't boot with software GL? Oct 02 21:19:32 that almost seems like the more interesting shortcoming Oct 02 21:20:35 the thing is however also that people need to read what the pages say and how things get into MeeGo platform and on roadmap.. the information has been extremely lackluster and principles behind not properly explained Oct 02 21:21:18 generally if you show up with a shovel and a couple of men to get the job done and maintain things, that gets things done Oct 02 21:22:12 when you have something you need done in meego, then you need to either 1) convince someone it's a good idea to pour resources in or 2) pour resources into it yourself Oct 02 21:22:15 :P Oct 02 21:22:17 which is fair Oct 02 21:22:30 (in terms of features, fwiw) Oct 02 21:22:40 evening andre___ Oct 02 21:23:11 the problem there i think is that 1) seems easier said than done, and 2) is not as easy as you'd think for individuals to organise Oct 02 21:23:46 w00t_, and that could be said for a lot of open source projects ... Oct 02 21:23:48 1) is always difficult since money is involved Oct 02 21:24:01 and 2) could be done if someone just gathers together Oct 02 21:24:15 i hope to show that with beagleboard peeps and motivate them in the right direction :P Oct 02 21:24:52 johnx: difference being is that a lot of other projects are usually not expecting you to implement pretty much the basics of the platform (e.g. making third party apps work) for them Oct 02 21:24:55 2) we need to help assist, though Oct 02 21:25:20 basically it's usually expected as a baseline that the project does what it says on the tin or nobody will use it in the first place Oct 02 21:25:36 heja Stskeeps Oct 02 21:25:51 andre___: o/ Oct 02 21:26:00 w00t_, there are plenty of other distributions that work exactly that way :) Oct 02 21:30:53 yo meego people whats up Oct 02 21:31:50 i have a problem with skype under meego can someone help me out? When skype loads up it looks ugly and when i try to login it takes minutes before it logins. I am using the 1.1 trunk Oct 02 21:32:19 also, is it possible to have fedora/suse repos for extra rpms or is that a bad idea? Oct 02 21:33:55 they might work, usually it'll be a miss though Oct 02 21:34:22 * Stskeeps ponders if normal qt apps not working on handset ux is a big problem or not. Oct 02 21:35:17 sofar: what about my skype problem ? Oct 02 21:36:09 kdas: that's probably worth a bugreport. make sure you got the right skype rpm Oct 02 21:36:52 yea i donwnloaded the fedora one the dynamic and static and surprisingly they all gave the same results Oct 02 21:37:17 get the one from skype.com instead Oct 02 21:37:59 yea all the 3 mentioned are from skype.com Oct 02 21:38:12 ah ok Oct 02 21:38:19 those should work, they work for me Oct 02 21:39:40 sofar: which version of meego are you using Oct 02 21:39:45 i am using the 1.1 trunk Oct 02 21:40:20 kdas: I'm a paid MeeGo developer from Intel. I use everything Oct 02 21:40:32 so just tested skype on this box(meego) vs ubuntu box and ubuntu acts normal and this one takes forever to log on so for sure it is a meego problem Oct 02 21:41:15 kdas: what's the cause of the problem is unclear, but it's worth filing a bugreport :) Oct 02 21:41:17 sofar: awwww. Well if you have a 1.1 trunk installed somewhere could you confirm that you are getting normal meego activity Oct 02 21:42:59 kdas: just tried it. starts immediately, connecting takes under 5 seconds Oct 02 21:43:08 skype 2.1 beta Oct 02 21:43:36 on 1.1 trunk? hmmmm Oct 02 21:44:10 there is no "1.1 trunk", there's 1.0, 1.1 and trunk Oct 02 21:44:51 i had to ln -s /etc/zypp/repos.d to /etc/yum.repos.d to get to see any of the repos in the package manager (another bug i guess) Oct 02 21:46:03 leftover issue, in the future everything will be zypper Oct 02 21:46:25 sofar: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.0.20101001.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ <-- this is where i got the image from Oct 02 21:46:38 so that is 1.1 i am assuming Oct 02 21:46:53 yeah, but from january :P Oct 02 21:46:55 that's 'trunk' Oct 02 21:47:06 not 1.1 Oct 02 21:47:15 1.1.80 means it's pre-1.2 Oct 02 21:47:22 1.0.90 is pre-1.1 Oct 02 21:47:37 but, it should be fine to use Oct 02 21:48:54 so where is 1.1 because http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ does not have any 1.1, unless 1.0.99 = 1.1 Oct 02 21:49:10 1.1 isn't released yet Oct 02 21:49:31 therefore, 1.1 is "1.0.X" where X >= 80 Oct 02 21:49:53 johnx: yea its from january and what is weird when i tried to update/upgrade nothing was upgraded so no development? Oct 02 21:50:15 sofar: awww i love random number schemes :P Oct 02 21:50:43 sofar: ok so then may I bother you to try skype on the 1.2 pre (the one i am using) ? Oct 02 21:51:06 that's what I just tried it on Oct 02 21:51:09 kdas, lots of development happened, but I don't think updating necessarily works in what you downloaded ... Oct 02 21:51:42 johnx: there's plenty going on in trunk right now, especially since we just forked 1.1 off of trunk Oct 02 21:52:20 johnx: Yikes! my repos are pointing to http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/ia32/packages so shouldn't it upgrade? Oct 02 21:52:52 johnx: so you think the skype issue has to do with my box only? Oct 02 21:52:59 sofar: ^^^ Oct 02 21:53:12 Didn't Reggie form a new MeeGo forum? Oct 02 21:53:19 kdas: what system do you have? Oct 02 21:53:48 sofar: eee 1000 (sd version) Oct 02 21:55:54 then I have no idea Oct 02 21:56:33 GAN900: allaboutmeego.com or something Oct 02 21:56:36 http://meego.com/user not sending me password for account. So much for bug reporting Oct 02 21:57:19 kdas, at least try downloading a the image that sofar pointed you at. The one you grabbed is probably a lost cause Oct 02 21:57:29 johnx: could you explain how i could get my system up to speed with the trunk because i was surprised that there was no updates after install that image. Oct 02 21:57:33 johnx: I never pointed him to an image Oct 02 21:57:48 kdas: that image is 1 day old Oct 02 21:57:49 didn't you suggest a 1.0.9x? Oct 02 21:57:52 johnx: what he said^ Oct 02 21:58:03 johnx: no he's fine on 1.1.80... Oct 02 21:58:16 sofar: oh.... johnx gave me the impression it was for january Oct 02 21:58:20 kdas: there's obviously no updates to an image that was posted yesterday :) Oct 02 21:58:30 naw file time on that page clearly says october 1st Oct 02 21:58:30 crap. I misparsed the date >_< Oct 02 21:58:40 apologies for being confusing Oct 02 21:58:42 and i didn't check Oct 02 21:58:44 dyslexic ? :) Oct 02 21:58:51 01-Oct-2010 17:10 755M Oct 02 21:58:54 sofar, not once I have enough coffee in me Oct 02 21:59:01 working on that ... Oct 02 21:59:03 johnx: np I've had plenty :D Oct 02 21:59:30 so this is odd is there some debugging i can do? does your skype font look awful ? Oct 02 21:59:40 Stskeeps, I just don't see meego.com ever being for MeeGo what maemo.org was for Maemo. Oct 02 22:00:55 GAN900, and I still think part of that is that meego is very different from maemo Oct 02 22:01:08 I was picturing working towards that end towards the beginning of the year. Oct 02 22:01:19 But there's been an awful lot of pushback. Oct 02 22:01:20 johnx, indeed Oct 02 22:01:40 kdas: that's a known issue... bug is assigned to me Oct 02 22:01:53 meego is closer to 'OpenEmbedded' in a way, and maemo is closer to ... i dunno, some vendor specific OS Oct 02 22:02:04 sofar: just to make sure i am doing things right btw. when i install the skype fedora package from skype.com i use zypper install skype-2.1*.rpm and then it complains about missing qt4-x11 which i saw was provided by libqt4(something) package so i ignored and said install without checking dependencies. Is that right? Oct 02 22:02:08 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6894 Oct 02 22:02:08 Which is why I don't know if meego.com is capable of brining the right elements together to be a home of that sort of collaborative magic. Oct 02 22:02:23 kdas: yes that's fine Oct 02 22:02:40 Which is sad to say, since it obsoleted maemo.org. Oct 02 22:03:09 sofar: that is soo freaking weird. Why would it work for you and not for me. Is there some QT settings or skype debugging i can do? Oct 02 22:03:31 i removed the empathy package btw if that harms anything Oct 02 22:03:35 GAN900, with companies shipping vendorized versions of meego, I don't even know how much interest phone users will have in a 'vanilla' meego anyways Oct 02 22:03:36 you could run an strace and see where it's stuck Oct 02 22:03:50 unfortunately, skype is a pig and hard to strace (and make sense of the data) Oct 02 22:04:54 sofar: to tell you the truth i hate skype and don't use it, but setting this up for my wife. Oct 02 22:06:03 johnx, turning engaged users into contributors is going to be harder now. Oct 02 22:06:31 GAN900, yes, but the things they can contribute to will be more worthwhile Oct 02 22:06:48 sofar: to confirm, removing empathy should have not had any affect on my config right? Oct 02 22:07:08 sure Oct 02 22:07:11 Well, I certainly wish the project the best of luck. Oct 02 22:08:32 GAN900, so what do you think would be a good strategy to ease people along in terms of getting involved? Oct 02 22:08:48 johnx, I don't know. Oct 02 22:08:54 sofar: weird again... pidgin->yahoo connects no problem, pidgin->gmail i am getting some connection problems Oct 02 22:09:48 GAN900, device subforums under meego? that might get a bit insane over time though Oct 02 22:09:50 Less pushback from many sectors when people are trying, would help Oct 02 22:10:12 GAN900, is this happening on the meego forums? Oct 02 22:10:26 (trying to minimize my distractions, lately) Oct 02 22:10:33 johnx, no Oct 02 22:10:40 I don't bother with the forums. Oct 02 22:10:47 mailing lists? Oct 02 22:10:52 Just a general trend I've seen in the projec Oct 02 22:10:53 t Oct 02 22:10:58 brb i am going to try to pull of some windoze magic (aka rebooting to solve problems) Oct 02 22:11:08 IRC, mailing lists, bugzilla, etc. Oct 02 22:11:20 GAN900, I think that might get better when there are more 'mid level' users to answer the questions of beginners Oct 02 22:11:30 Pre-entrenchment is a big problem. Oct 02 22:12:00 johnx, not even a question of beginners. It's established contributors running into walls. Oct 02 22:12:16 ah, when they want to get stuff committed? Oct 02 22:12:35 and higher level things. Oct 02 22:13:12 well, there's always going to be pushback when there are suggestions made about architectural changes Oct 02 22:13:16 The MeeGo spec discussion is an interesting one, since clearly the thread wasn't opened with any real interest in productive discussion. Oct 02 22:13:31 johnx, well, of course. Oct 02 22:13:57 back Oct 02 22:14:08 winmagic did not work Oct 02 22:15:32 Anyway, whatever. It's not something I'll be investing much, if any, real time in. Oct 02 22:15:40 well sofar thanks for help Oct 02 22:21:25 sorry disconnected Oct 02 22:26:17 is there a way to use zypper without having to kill PackageKit each time? Oct 02 22:26:43 we should have a bug for that :/ Oct 02 22:27:30 sofar: i just started up meego from usb (so fresh) on my other eee1000 and skype is showing the same behavior Oct 02 22:27:57 so you much have something special installed or skype and meego hate the eee1000 Oct 02 22:28:05 i could try it on my other laptop..... Oct 02 22:29:46 file a bug Oct 02 22:30:10 our QA teams have eee1000's so they can test it Oct 02 22:30:18 i would if bugs.meego ever sends me a password for the account i signed up for :P Oct 02 22:30:40 sofar: well i can test on another laptop, which i am about to do Oct 02 22:31:02 how do i start the installer from within the meego environment ? Oct 02 22:32:15 there's a program somewhere but I forgot Oct 02 22:33:02 heheh.. do they pay you enough at intel? Oct 02 22:33:25 ask my manager that (please) Oct 02 22:33:55 hahahha! Oct 02 22:34:39 i forgot meego don't like nvidia. So much for that test Oct 02 22:37:39 sofar: you think installing 1.0.99 would be a better idea? Oct 02 22:37:48 kdas: doubt it Oct 02 22:40:22 sofar: since i can't file a bug can you ask your friends over at intel about this issue and see whats up? also, when you tested out skype on this meego version that i have is it a fresh install or does it have other pkgs installed and if so which ones Oct 02 22:41:39 I'm sorry, you'll have to file a bug Oct 02 22:42:02 by the time I get back to work on monday I will have forgotten this conversation completely Oct 02 22:43:57 sofar: you wouldn't happen to know anything about intel drivers? Oct 02 22:44:04 something to do with a lack of coffee smithna? Oct 02 22:44:07 sammit Oct 02 22:44:11 sofar:* Oct 02 22:44:15 smithna: what about them? Oct 02 22:44:32 CosmoHill: no, it's just weekend and I'm off (and should not be here at this time) Oct 02 22:44:48 makes sense Oct 02 22:44:54 I've had an on-going issue, which I would ask on the intel-gfx channel, but I'm not allowed to post to it Oct 02 22:45:13 what about it Oct 02 22:46:29 The latest drivers remove the ability to change/set refresh rate && horizontal sync in the xorg.conf file. It gets those settings from EDID or uses some defaults (set somewhere) Oct 02 22:46:30 sofar: if you think you shouldn\'t be here in weekends what do you think about thiago_home? Oct 02 22:47:01 CosmoHill: ? what about thiago? Oct 02 22:47:22 smithna: does xrandr still allow you to change those parameters? Oct 02 22:47:25 Which works ok for most monitors. However, I have a monitor that doesn't provide EDID data and doesn't fit right with the defaults.... Oct 02 22:47:36 nope Oct 02 22:47:37 ah, that certainly sounds like a bug Oct 02 22:47:37 sofar: he's always here and he doesn't sleep Oct 02 22:48:18 Since its native resolution is 800x480 Oct 02 22:48:53 The default values preclude setting that resolution Oct 02 22:49:35 smithna: what kind of display is that? Oct 02 22:49:57 smithna: worth filing a bugreport though, even a bugs.meego.com one Oct 02 22:50:22 oh, didn't think of putting it on meego... Oct 02 22:50:35 http://www.lilliput.cn/EBY701-NP.html Oct 02 22:50:35 why not? we can assign to the intel gfx people from there just fine Oct 02 22:50:46 and if this is a meego system.... Oct 02 22:50:54 It sure is Oct 02 22:50:59 well then Oct 02 22:51:17 Will do Oct 02 23:30:15 sofar: ok I am on another machine now running meego Oct 02 23:30:37 and skype has same problems so it is for sure a meebo thing not a hardware thing Oct 02 23:33:09 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 03 02:59:57 2010