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Oct 16 09:13:23 <niala-usb-live> hello have a nice day
Oct 16 09:13:40 <thiago_home> hello
Oct 16 09:13:49 <Chani> damn, I only just heard about the meego early-bird thing...
Oct 16 09:14:22 <thiago_home> you've already got your tickets?
Oct 16 09:21:06 <Chani> thiago_home: just booking them this moment actually, but I've already sent my travel estimate..
Oct 16 09:21:18 <Chani> ooh! good news, the 13th is actually a cheaper day to fly :)
Oct 16 09:21:35 * thiago_home will probably arrive on the 13th
Oct 16 09:27:07 <Chani> cool :)
Oct 16 09:27:35 * Chani even managed to find a ryanair flight that's not at 6am ;)
Oct 16 09:40:26 <thiago_home> I'll schedule my flights this week
Oct 16 09:40:31 <thiago_home> fregl: have you scheduled yours?
Oct 16 09:41:38 <Chani> damn, the hostel is nearly full on the 13th
Oct 16 09:41:45 * Chani has flighst now, though
Oct 16 09:42:04 <Chani> ohh my god the rooms left are... expensive :/
Oct 16 09:42:20 <Chani> still cheaper than flying on the 14th, but... ick
Oct 16 10:01:45 <Chani> hrm.
Oct 16 10:02:35 <Chani> I wanted to add myself to that early-bird page, but when I try to log into the wiki, I get sent to http://meego.com/user?destination=wiki_home - where it appears I'm already logged in. but when I return to the wiki I'm not logged in *there*...
Oct 16 10:05:53 * Chani is stuck in login limbo... :/
Oct 16 10:06:33 <thiago_home> kded4 crashed?
Oct 16 10:09:18 <Chani> thiago_home: huh?
Oct 16 10:10:18 <Chani> oy
Oct 16 10:10:32 <Chani> I logged out, then logged in via the wiki link, and now it believes me.
Oct 16 10:11:18 <Chani> ...and now I actually read the page properly and see that I',m not supposed to register there. ha
Oct 16 12:31:39 <lcuk> CosmoHill, ping
Oct 16 12:31:46 <CosmoHill> pong
Oct 16 12:33:42 * CosmoHill pokes lcuk 
Oct 16 12:33:43 <lcuk> heya dude \o
Oct 16 12:33:46 <CosmoHill> hey
Oct 16 12:34:16 <lcuk> the clustering software you have been using, does it have to be hosted on Windows machines, or is it cross platform
Oct 16 12:34:32 <lcuk> or was the windows part only what you installed into the cluster ontop?
Oct 16 12:34:42 <CosmoHill> erm
Oct 16 12:34:52 <CosmoHill> the software on windows is windows HPC
Oct 16 12:35:18 <CosmoHill> I think both linux and windows support MPI but I don't know if they are homo or hetro genius
Oct 16 12:36:08 <lcuk> isnt hetro genius like Albert Einstein :P
Oct 16 12:36:14 <CosmoHill> The main reason for the windows part is because of some windows only software the engineering department would like to run
Oct 16 12:36:46 <lcuk> indeed
Oct 16 12:37:53 * lcuk has barely looked at irc for most of this week
Oct 16 12:38:58 <CosmoHill> I can PM you my dissertation question if you're interested
Oct 16 12:40:00 <lcuk> go for it
Oct 16 12:40:24 * lcuk is winding down and digesting a hectic schedule from this week
Oct 16 12:54:37 <lcuk> CosmoHill, ahh cool, do the clustering tasks have to be specially written and are there any specific languages geared towards it?  or can you just use them with some specific python management classes?
Oct 16 12:54:40 <lcuk> (for instance)
Oct 16 12:55:25 <CosmoHill> they will use MPI so any language that has support for that
Oct 16 12:58:15 <lcuk> oh cool, so with a big shared NAS and some grunt you can start a process across all the machines which can churn through their requests and get you the data at the end
Oct 16 12:58:45 <CosmoHill> in theory
Oct 16 12:59:00 <lcuk> what prevents it from being in practice?
Oct 16 12:59:01 <CosmoHill> in my theory after 20 mins hard work some of them will die :/
Oct 16 12:59:21 <lcuk> well that is to be expected
Oct 16 12:59:27 <lcuk> machine churn in a cluster is normal
Oct 16 13:00:10 <CosmoHill> the problem I have is that once a computer dies that\s it, one less node
Oct 16 13:01:01 <lcuk> indeed it is, does the cluster management software have reporting info about which machines have fallen out of the group?
Oct 16 13:01:23 <lcuk> so one of the dedicated admins can go and look at it
Oct 16 13:01:27 <CosmoHill> I believe is does however there may be an issue with that
Oct 16 13:01:31 <lcuk> or just power up another
Oct 16 13:01:40 <lcuk> hmm, what issue?
Oct 16 13:01:41 <CosmoHill> linux will say that windows nodes are down and visa versa
Oct 16 13:03:42 <lcuk> CosmoHill, hmm?  you are saying that if its an all linux cluster it will not report the state of its machines?
Oct 16 13:04:04 <CosmoHill> the linux head node will
Oct 16 13:04:15 <CosmoHill> the windows one might think it's all alone in the rack
Oct 16 13:04:50 <lcuk> ok, so the management software itself has bugs?
Oct 16 13:05:53 <CosmoHill> I think it's more to do with the management software being OS dependant
Oct 16 13:06:20 <lcuk> that is a bug.
Oct 16 13:12:29 <CosmoHill> there may be some cross-platform software I can use
Oct 16 13:13:52 <lcuk> CosmoHill, does the clustering software work on the cloud?  ie can a remote access cluster be setup which talks to different internet servers?
Oct 16 13:14:15 <CosmoHill> i have no idea
Oct 16 13:14:37 <lcuk> yeah that has all the data connectivity issues too
Oct 16 13:14:58 <CosmoHill> i think I have two external IP addresses but no open ports
Oct 16 15:50:23 <smithna> Hi, has anyone got meego-handset-music working under the ivi image?  (it's now included in the repo for ivi)
Oct 16 16:13:38 <ilovefairuz> Hello. Is there a planned released of a Tablet UX ?
Oct 16 16:14:15 <ilovefairuz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0 <-- this one
Oct 16 16:42:15 <niala> ilovefairuz, you mean that ? http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0.80.8/meego-handset-day1-developer-preview
Oct 16 16:43:30 <CosmoHill> it would be strongly recommended that you use 1.0.90
Oct 16 16:48:54 <ilovefairuz> niala: no not the handset ux
Oct 16 16:49:06 <ilovefairuz> it looks like a ux specifically designed for tablets
Oct 16 16:53:58 <vlcn> a very nice looking one
Oct 16 16:54:06 <vlcn> first I've seen that ilovefairuz
Oct 16 16:56:32 <niala> it's seems like if  " lang fr "  and ' keyboard fr ' instructions doesn't work in .ks file
Oct 16 18:06:13 <Aison> evening, I guess this is asked 100times. Can I somehow use meego on my old asus eeepc 4g?
Oct 16 18:10:07 <lcuk> Aison, hmm
Oct 16 18:10:15 <lcuk> there is a hardware compatability page
Oct 16 18:10:27 <Aison> yes, I know, and there it's not mentioned
Oct 16 18:10:35 <Aison> but I also heard that it might work
Oct 16 18:11:13 <lcuk> have you considered just putting it on a usb stick and trying it?
Oct 16 18:11:41 <Aison> well, maybe I should, but if I know it's not working, I don't delete my usbstick first
Oct 16 18:16:54 <lcuk> Aison, http://wiki.meego.com/Devices#Netbooks
Oct 16 18:17:00 <lcuk> so your device is not listed here?
Oct 16 18:17:10 * lcuk waves @ araujo \o
Oct 16 18:17:32 <lcuk> was your return trip easier than the outbound one?
Oct 16 18:17:39 * araujo waves @ lcuk !!
Oct 16 18:17:55 <araujo> lcuk, much easier! ... but I felt very tired too :P
Oct 16 18:18:05 <araujo> lcuk, I had to take only 3 planes , hehe
Oct 16 18:18:06 <lcuk> of course, it was a long way to travel
Oct 16 18:18:17 <lcuk> I managed to pack my helicopter!
Oct 16 18:18:21 <araujo> hahaha
Oct 16 18:18:23 <lcuk> :D it flies very well!
Oct 16 18:18:31 <araujo> wow, awesome!
Oct 16 18:18:43 <araujo> well, good to know you managed to pack it :D
Oct 16 18:18:46 <lcuk> after I had some beers with Adam at 3am before he setoff back, I was flying it around the room
Oct 16 18:18:55 * araujo been sleeping during these last 24 hours
Oct 16 18:19:19 <araujo> lcuk, awesome ... I left around that time too ... like 4am or so
Oct 16 18:20:02 <araujo> lcuk, did you have nice trip too?
Oct 16 18:20:19 <araujo> though you are a lucky one ... I shouldn't even ask you that :P
Oct 16 18:20:35 <lcuk> :) I had a very pleasant return leg, I was able to relax on Thursday and met up with a good friend
Oct 16 18:21:14 <lcuk> I was sat next to a man from London who had also been visiting Nokia
Oct 16 18:21:23 <araujo> hehe nice
Oct 16 18:21:50 <lcuk> though he was from the Nokia Siemens hardware end
Oct 16 18:22:14 <lcuk> I had to wear my suit though and have my big snow coat on!
Oct 16 18:22:19 <lcuk> because they would not fit in the suitcase
Oct 16 18:22:39 <lcuk> :) when I saw my mum after I returned she was very impressed at my smart appearance :)
Oct 16 18:22:48 <araujo> hehehe ... and at the end .. when started snowing???
Oct 16 18:22:58 <araujo> hahaha
Oct 16 18:23:23 <lcuk> yes, they even delayed the flight, so those of us flying back could see the snow
Oct 16 18:23:26 <araujo> lcuk, you got style, for sure
Oct 16 18:23:28 <araujo> :P
Oct 16 18:23:42 <lcuk> \o/
Oct 16 18:23:47 <araujo> ;)
Oct 16 18:24:11 <thiago_home> snow?
Oct 16 18:24:33 <thiago_home> been to Helsinki?
Oct 16 18:24:33 <lcuk> yes thiago_home Helsinki had a light dusting yesterday, many people were happy to see it
Oct 16 18:24:35 <CosmoHill> boarding?
Oct 16 18:24:50 <araujo> lcuk, and you know, I also have a snow coat, I just didn't bring it with me ... fortunately I left before snowing :P
Oct 16 18:25:31 * thiago_home hasn't been to Helsinki in a while...
Oct 16 18:25:37 <thiago_home> 8 days :-)
Oct 16 18:25:45 <lcuk> lol araujo, you could have kept warm by just keeping close to your big bacon burger :P
Oct 16 18:25:52 <kyb3R> I always have a stupid smile on my face when I see the first snow :)
Oct 16 18:26:03 <araujo> lcuk, that big bacon burger could definitely produce lot of heat .....
Oct 16 18:26:04 <araujo> :P
Oct 16 18:26:18 <lcuk> kyb3R, as I walked through Helsinki centre there were people smiling everywhere, the mood was lifted for many people yesterday
Oct 16 18:26:40 * lcuk smiled with them :)
Oct 16 18:26:54 <kyb3R> nice :)
Oct 16 18:27:30 * araujo points out that those people were probably smiling at lcuk suit+snow-coat style though .....
Oct 16 18:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: back at home?
Oct 16 18:27:43 <kyb3R> araujo: hahahah
Oct 16 18:28:08 <lcuk> lololol araujo
Oct 16 18:28:17 <araujo> hehe ;)
Oct 16 18:28:36 <lcuk> but I did buy nicer shirts whilst there
Oct 16 18:28:55 <thiago_home> suits? who did you go to meet?
Oct 16 18:29:49 <lcuk> thiago_home, I was told to dress smart, so I did
Oct 16 18:36:32 <harbaum> Hi!
Oct 16 18:37:22 <harbaum> Is it possible to place ordinary qt widgets within a meegotouch based ui?
Oct 16 18:37:23 <CosmoHill> hallo
Oct 16 18:37:46 <thiago_home> harbaum: yes, via QGraphicsProxyWidget
Oct 16 18:37:49 <thiago_home> your UI will become slow
Oct 16 18:38:15 <harbaum> Ok, thanks. Will take a look at this!
Oct 16 18:39:24 <lcuk> thiago_home, ?
Oct 16 18:40:19 <thiago_home> QGraphicsProxyWidget makes it slow
Oct 16 18:40:23 <frals> lcuk: saw your tweet, shame im in sthlm this weekend, no snow here :(
Oct 16 18:40:36 <lcuk> no snow in hel either
Oct 16 18:53:38 <smithna> What's the difference between hfdialer and the phone app in IVI?
Oct 16 18:59:24 <pupnik> lcuk: have you heard of a bootable qemu image available yet?
Oct 16 19:03:51 <lcuk> not sure pupnik I have been playing with the xephyr one this week I think, but not sure of the technical underpinnings
Oct 16 19:04:03 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr
Oct 16 19:09:37 <pupnik> oh ty sir
Oct 16 19:10:43 <Aison> lcuk, no, my device is not listed :)
Oct 16 19:11:04 <lcuk> Aison, would you care to check it out please and list it if it *doesn't* work
Oct 16 19:11:16 <lcuk> no point in everyone who has incompatible hardware having to tell
Oct 16 19:11:29 <lcuk> and it would be good to be able to move not working -> working :)
Oct 16 19:11:36 <lcuk> as patches and fixes come in
Oct 16 19:12:15 <Aison> ok, I will try
Oct 16 19:36:53 <Stskeeps> sofar: uxlaunch sets up .xsession-errors manually right?
Oct 16 20:33:18 <lcuk> who here has a beard?
Oct 16 20:39:48 <Aison> i'm not
Oct 16 20:39:58 <Aison> do you need a picture of a taliban? ^^
Oct 16 20:41:04 <erani> http://mobilernr.com/had-apple-announced-the-nokia-n8/
Oct 16 20:43:38 <araujo> lcuk, I had ... but I shaved it ....
Oct 16 20:43:41 <araujo> :P
Oct 16 20:43:55 <lcuk> araujo, lol
Oct 16 20:44:10 <araujo> :(
Oct 16 20:45:28 <lcuk> i found a restaurant I want to visit next time I visit .hel btw
Oct 16 20:45:40 <araujo> lcuk, which one?,
Oct 16 20:45:41 <lcuk> so we do not have to stick with McDonalds :P
Oct 16 20:45:43 <araujo> what kidn of food?
Oct 16 20:45:52 <araujo> lcuk, that would be nice
Oct 16 20:45:53 <araujo> :P
Oct 16 20:46:11 <lcuk> aww I thought you liked your BIG BACON!!
Oct 16 20:46:32 <araujo> hehehe
Oct 16 20:46:41 <araujo> had nightmares with it that night
Oct 16 20:46:44 <araujo> :P
Oct 16 20:47:00 <lcuk> i walked past it and saw people eating a lovely roast chicken
Oct 16 20:47:12 <araujo> close to nokia?
Oct 16 20:47:12 <lcuk> and ait had such a nice aroma coming from the door :)
Oct 16 20:47:23 <lcuk> yeah up the road towards town from the hotel
Oct 16 20:47:34 <lcuk> I was walking back towards central
Oct 16 20:48:00 <araujo> roast chicken definitely makes it ....
Oct 16 20:48:14 <shadeslayer> ok, quick question, should i buy the N900 or the N8 ? ill probably be buying one of them the next week?
Oct 16 20:48:21 * araujo will get lcuk to order the food in finnish again
Oct 16 20:48:35 * shadeslayer is all confused 
Oct 16 20:48:39 <araujo> shadeslayer, I would go with N900 ...
Oct 16 20:48:46 <lcuk> http://www.krullas.com/
Oct 16 20:48:49 <lcuk> found it
Oct 16 20:48:50 <shadeslayer> araujo: ok, any news of the N9?
Oct 16 20:48:53 <lcuk> I took a photo on my way past
Oct 16 20:49:15 <araujo> shadeslayer, none from my side :P
Oct 16 20:49:20 <shadeslayer> oh and i bet the N8 isnt hackable enough ... :P
Oct 16 20:49:53 <shadeslayer> i just like the N8 because it has a capacitive screen :)
Oct 16 20:50:07 <araujo> lcuk, I was expecting something less .... formal ... :P
Oct 16 20:51:15 <mihero> e7 would be better symbian phone, it has qwerty
Oct 16 20:51:31 <shadeslayer> araujo: oh and will the community be willing to keep rolling out un-official meego images in the future? like ... is there a team dedicated to that?
Oct 16 20:51:31 <lcuk> araujo, :) my mum told me to be the best I can, so I tried.
Oct 16 20:51:43 <shadeslayer> mihero: id like to avoid symbian :)
Oct 16 20:52:09 <mihero> n8 is also symbian:)
Oct 16 20:52:33 <shadeslayer> yes, but thats precisely why im confused :P
Oct 16 20:52:35 <araujo> lcuk, just say you want to eat roast chicken in a suit ..... stop the excuses
Oct 16 20:53:03 <araujo> shadeslayer, you mean, for the N900 ?
Oct 16 20:53:10 <shadeslayer> araujo: yes
Oct 16 20:53:25 <lcuk> araujo, it felt a  bit odd in McDonalds I would give you that :P
Oct 16 20:53:28 <araujo> shadeslayer, I would say .. you wouldn't need to worry about that
Oct 16 20:53:31 <araujo> lcuk, heheh
Oct 16 20:53:43 <shadeslayer> ok then im covered fair and square i guess
Oct 16 20:53:55 <lcuk> hey, you missed a great meetup on wednesday night
Oct 16 20:54:13 <lcuk> there was a great presentation on qml stuff
Oct 16 20:54:16 <araujo> lcuk, how was it?, who assisted?
Oct 16 20:54:18 <shadeslayer> araujo: thanks dude :)
Oct 16 20:54:22 <araujo> shadeslayer, welcome!
Oct 16 20:54:29 <araujo> lcuk, ooh, qml .. cool stuff
Oct 16 20:54:34 <shadeslayer> you guys are discussing qt dev days right :P
Oct 16 20:54:53 <erani> shadeslayer: i would go for N900 too...
Oct 16 20:54:58 <lcuk> shadeslayer, no, the helsinki meego meetup
Oct 16 20:55:06 <shadeslayer> lcuk: oh ..
Oct 16 20:55:16 <lcuk> what went down at the devdays then?
Oct 16 20:55:23 <shadeslayer> erani: kewl
Oct 16 20:55:24 <lcuk> anything cool or exciting?
Oct 16 20:55:31 <shadeslayer> lcuk: i didnt attend :P
Oct 16 20:55:35 <shadeslayer> i am attending UDS tho
Oct 16 20:55:59 <lcuk> shame, who did - are there any shining examples or connections made?
Oct 16 20:57:02 <shadeslayer> araujo: are there any prospects of the N9 being released in the coming 2 months?
Oct 16 20:59:09 <araujo> shadeslayer, I really couldn't tell you :P
Oct 16 20:59:16 <shadeslayer> :)
Oct 16 20:59:52 <shadeslayer> thanks anyways, everyone ... cya later
Oct 16 21:51:37 <CosmoHill> lcuk: btw I called my cluster Nectar because it's made out of NEC computers :)
Oct 16 22:41:02 <sofar> Stskeeps: yes
Oct 17 00:02:51 <CosmoHill> cyas
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