**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 17 02:59:58 2010
Oct 17 04:57:24 <pupnik> does anyone from 'wetab' chat here?
Oct 17 07:07:07 <Texrat> hello gang
Oct 17 07:07:31 <sivang> hey Texrat
Oct 17 07:07:40 <Texrat> hey sivang
Oct 17 07:07:49 <Texrat> got my flight to Dublin squared away
Oct 17 07:09:29 <Texrat> not much activity
Oct 17 07:09:43 <sivang> Texrat: same here, yes
Oct 17 07:09:44 <Texrat> wake up Europe!
Oct 17 07:09:47 <sivang> heh
Oct 17 07:09:52 <sivang> It is sunday
Oct 17 07:09:53 <Texrat> good to hear sivang
Oct 17 07:10:16 <Texrat> yeah, I'm working... change migration conference call with India
Oct 17 07:10:32 <Texrat> 7 or so hours of hell
Oct 17 07:10:51 <sivang> Texrat: change migration? is this for BOSS with Intel?
Oct 17 07:11:00 <Texrat> no, this is my real job
Oct 17 07:11:19 <Texrat> MeeGo is a hobby
Oct 17 07:12:31 <dm8tbr> hyvää huomenta
Oct 17 07:12:35 <sivang> Texrat: Been to Qt Dev Days, and got somewhat intense intro to QML, that was way cool
Oct 17 07:13:00 <Texrat> man, I wish I could go to one
Oct 17 07:13:11 <Texrat> coming to a city a few hours from me, can't go
Oct 17 07:13:31 <sivang> Texrat: San Fransisco right?
Oct 17 07:13:46 <Texrat> no, I live near Dallas, and it's coming to Austin this week
Oct 17 07:14:17 <Texrat> Dallas high tech is fading, so few events now
Oct 17 07:14:36 <sivang> Texrat: ah I see, well, next time perhaps? there were a couple of quite deep sessions which was nice to see how they manage to cater for both beginners and seasoned at once.
Oct 17 07:14:45 <Texrat> we'll see
Oct 17 07:14:56 <sivang> Texrat: and material should be available onine soon.
Oct 17 07:14:59 * sivang checks email
Oct 17 07:25:08 <Texrat> oh sivang, congratulations on also getting Forum Nokia Champion
Oct 17 07:27:39 <Texrat> so sivang: do you get to keep the N8 they hand out at QT dev event?
Oct 17 07:35:17 <thiago_home> has anyone returned their N900s from last year?
Oct 17 07:40:59 <Texrat> hey thiago_home
Oct 17 07:41:07 <Texrat> I think some did return their N900s
Oct 17 07:41:15 <Texrat> I was told I could keep mine
Oct 17 07:41:59 <thiago_home> we have some N00 in the office with those plastic covers still
Oct 17 07:42:04 <thiago_home> they serve a purpose
Oct 17 07:42:21 <Texrat> really?
Oct 17 07:42:48 <Texrat> I have an N00 but it's an N810 ;)
Oct 17 07:43:00 <Texrat> gift from my work on the N800 program
Oct 17 07:51:23 <thiago_home> I just hope I can keep my current proto
Oct 17 07:52:27 <thiago_home> I'm trying to figure out how long this battery lasts
Oct 17 07:52:53 <Texrat> thiago_home I'm surprised to only see 2 lightning talks submitted so far
Oct 17 07:53:03 <Texrat> I'm almost done with mine ;)
Oct 17 07:53:06 <sivang> Texrat: I did not get an N8 at dev days, only ambassadors and people who answered right at crap/fact get those :)
Oct 17 07:53:15 <sivang> Texrat: I am FN champion since feb last year
Oct 17 07:53:19 <Texrat> bummer sivang
Oct 17 07:53:31 <Texrat> so you got renewed, cool sivang
Oct 17 07:53:44 <Texrat> it only took me 4+ years to get nominated :P
Oct 17 07:54:13 <Texrat> I really owe achipa
Oct 17 07:54:46 <Texrat> he said FN wanted more Americans :D
Oct 17 07:55:02 <Texrat> so I'm a protected minority
Oct 17 07:55:04 <sivang> Texrat: yeah, I was quite lucky. Not sure how it happened, but someone either nominated me and reviewed my ongoing FOSS work which was very nice and considerate
Oct 17 07:55:07 <sivang> Texrat: hehe
Oct 17 07:55:29 <Texrat> did you order the gift phone yet?
Oct 17 07:55:48 <Texrat> I went for N8... wonder when they ship
Oct 17 07:56:18 <thiago_home> Texrat: we've only just opened the lightening talks
Oct 17 07:56:40 <Texrat> thiago_home I know, but several people had been askign for a while now
Oct 17 07:56:50 <Texrat> I figured they would jump into the wiki like I did
Oct 17 07:56:58 <thiago_home> mail them back :-)
Oct 17 07:57:03 <Texrat> wait until you guys see mine :D
Oct 17 07:57:06 * thiago_home expects a good 5-minute talk from everyone
Oct 17 07:57:17 <Texrat> mine will rock
Oct 17 07:57:18 <thiago_home> the one I liked the most was at GCDS about what not to do in your UI
Oct 17 07:58:11 <sivang> Texrat: I got 1 year membership since last feb, and back then there was no N8 to order, either way I prefer linux phones :)
Oct 17 07:58:15 <Texrat> for Maemo Summit I was asked at last minute to turn my 20 min talk to 5... a disaster
Oct 17 07:58:17 <sivang> Texrat: so I ordered an N900
Oct 17 07:58:24 <Texrat> ah, cool sivang
Oct 17 07:58:42 <sivang> Texrat: I hope to be elected for a second period :)
Oct 17 07:58:53 <Texrat> sivang I'm sure you will
Oct 17 07:58:58 <sivang> FN championship is highly educational and motivating
Oct 17 07:59:22 <thiago_home> the N8 is an ARMv6 device. I wonder if we're going to see a MeeGo ARMv6 build pop up. :)
Oct 17 07:59:22 <Texrat> yes, and I'm hoping the logo on my resume and busienss cards will pay off :D
Oct 17 07:59:32 <Texrat> I need a new job badly!  :O
Oct 17 07:59:47 <Texrat> thiago_home someone will do it!
Oct 17 07:59:53 <thiago_home> Texrat: did you join DD MUC? Or coming to SF?
Oct 17 08:00:06 <Texrat> thiago_home I can't come to SF
Oct 17 08:00:08 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: well, someone had handset ux on top of broadcom gfx.. so there's hope
Oct 17 08:00:28 <thiago_home> Stskeeps: that's just graphics. The problem is the ARM core.
Oct 17 08:00:37 <Texrat> can't afford trip and MeeGo Conf will use rest of my vacation days
Oct 17 08:00:39 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: yeah, and with armv5 userland..
Oct 17 08:00:44 <thiago_home> there
Oct 17 08:00:48 <Texrat> hey again Stskeeps
Oct 17 08:00:50 <Stskeeps> moo
Oct 17 08:00:55 <Texrat> hoo
Oct 17 08:01:00 <thiago_home> Texrat: no vacation days left?
Oct 17 08:01:10 <Texrat> thiago_home not after MeeGo conf
Oct 17 08:01:30 <thiago_home> and before?
Oct 17 08:01:32 <Texrat> only 2 weeks per year at current employer
Oct 17 08:01:37 <thiago_home> ah
Oct 17 08:01:47 <Texrat> I used up a week earlier, at Akademy 2010
Oct 17 08:01:54 <Texrat> worth it
Oct 17 08:02:02 <Stskeeps> oh dear, i need to make business cards
Oct 17 08:02:02 <dm8tbr> yep, it was nice :)
Oct 17 08:02:11 <Texrat> it was awesome
Oct 17 08:02:18 <Texrat> I had the best damn time
Oct 17 08:02:20 * thiago_home needs to check on his business cards supply in the office
Oct 17 08:02:25 <Stskeeps> i have a meego role and that's my job, how on earth do i write that? :P
Oct 17 08:02:30 <thiago_home> the half of the 200 batch I kept at home is over
Oct 17 08:02:31 <Texrat> I make custom cards for every event
Oct 17 08:02:46 * dm8tbr has 200g/m² paper for exactly that reason :)
Oct 17 08:02:49 <Texrat> Stskeeps = lucky bastard
Oct 17 08:03:33 <Texrat> oh and congrats Stskeeps for Yet Another Prestigious Title
Oct 17 08:03:43 <Stskeeps> Texrat: well, it may look like that but wait until you see what i have to deal with :P
Oct 17 08:03:49 <Stskeeps> Texrat: and thanks
Oct 17 08:03:52 <Texrat> dude I would so trade you
Oct 17 08:04:01 <Texrat> I am workign as we speak, and hate it
Oct 17 08:04:14 <Texrat> 7 hours + on a conference call...
Oct 17 08:04:25 <Texrat> I am losing brain cells by the second
Oct 17 08:04:39 <Stskeeps> i start losing braincells after like 1 1/2 hours
Oct 17 08:04:49 <Texrat> slow poke
Oct 17 08:07:04 <Texrat> hey Stskeeps: email me some humorous photos of you for my lightning talk
Oct 17 08:07:10 <Texrat> texrat@ovi.com
Oct 17 08:07:26 <Stskeeps> Texrat: just find my video from my first ever Mer talk and that should be enough..
Oct 17 08:07:29 <Texrat> timoph and revdkathy sent me some great ones
Oct 17 08:07:36 <Texrat> feh, video
Oct 17 08:07:40 <Texrat> then I have to edit
Oct 17 08:08:07 <Texrat> just send a photo, I'll make you a star
Oct 17 08:09:00 <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/fb.JPG
Oct 17 08:09:00 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 17 08:09:04 <Texrat> got my talk almost done.  Worked for a few hours on it today so thiago_home better vote for it
Oct 17 08:09:17 <sivang> thiago_home: I hope we do see abuild, I already fantisized about it 2 months ago on the MLs
Oct 17 08:09:26 <Texrat> awesome Stskeeps
Oct 17 08:09:37 <sivang> thiago_home: I'm also in your same desperate need for a new j :)
Oct 17 08:09:57 <sivang> oop
Oct 17 08:09:59 <sivang> oops
Oct 17 08:10:02 <sivang> Texrat:   ^^^^^^
Oct 17 08:10:08 * thiago_home has a j middlename
Oct 17 08:10:08 <sivang> thiago_home: how was flight back?
Oct 17 08:10:09 <Texrat> that will go well with timoph's rubber glove hat picture
Oct 17 08:10:18 <thiago_home> sivang: slept nicely most of the way
Oct 17 08:10:33 <thiago_home> was quite tired after the celebrations on Wednesday
Oct 17 08:10:47 <sivang> thiago_home: ah the Nokia only event afterwards?
Oct 17 08:10:51 <Texrat> sivang what do you do now?
Oct 17 08:11:01 <thiago_home> yes
Oct 17 08:11:05 <thiago_home> we went out for dinner
Oct 17 08:11:11 <thiago_home> and beer
Oct 17 08:12:28 <sivang> thiago_home: beer again? :)
Oct 17 08:12:37 <sivang> thiago_home: actually the beer was the best part,
Oct 17 08:12:43 <sivang> thiago_home: the food was rather bad for me.
Oct 17 08:13:08 <sivang> thiago_home: in the conf's hotel that is, I should write in the feedback there should be more options for people who can't eat so fatty foods :)
Oct 17 08:14:00 <johnx> option: I'll eat their food for them :>
Oct 17 08:14:43 <Myrtti> Texrat: ohai
Oct 17 08:14:59 <Texrat> Myrtti babeeee
Oct 17 08:15:39 <Texrat> you gonan be at MeeGo Conference Myrtti?
Oct 17 08:16:10 <Myrtti> nope...
Oct 17 08:16:13 <Texrat> awww
Oct 17 08:16:18 <Texrat> Duncan?
Oct 17 08:16:42 <Myrtti> even more unlikely
Oct 17 08:22:48 <Myrtti> meh Sunday
Oct 17 08:32:29 <sivang> Myrtti: sunday is nice, when you are in a country where sunday is a weekend :)
Oct 17 08:34:14 <johnx> gah. already sunday here. still feels like saturday
Oct 17 08:35:53 <Myrtti> sivang: sure... apart from when theres absolutely nothing to do
Oct 17 08:36:22 <Stskeeps> wait, it's weekend?
Oct 17 08:36:22 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 17 08:36:47 <sivang> Stskeeps: hehe
Oct 17 08:36:52 <sivang> Stskeeps: dude you should get some help
Oct 17 08:37:04 <sivang> Stskeeps: which I would have offered had there been a platform hacking guide :-)
Oct 17 08:37:20 <Stskeeps> next week is documentation..
Oct 17 08:37:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 17 08:52:27 <Myrtti> right, off to entertain mum. tata
Oct 17 08:55:54 <^Ran> hello
Oct 17 08:57:49 <^Ran> maybe anyone restored deleted meego btrfs partition?
Oct 17 09:00:32 <Texrat> almost 4 am Texas time and man am I sleepy!
Oct 17 09:01:26 <stephg> Almost 10am London time and I'm sleepy ;)
Oct 17 09:12:45 <sivang> Stskeeps: sounds great.
Oct 17 09:14:39 <pupnik> less filling!
Oct 17 09:25:58 <timoph> Texrat: 12:22 pm in Finland and I'm sleepy too :)
Oct 17 09:26:39 <Texrat> hey timoph
Oct 17 09:26:42 <timoph> the decided to wake me up at 5am (again)
Oct 17 09:26:45 <Texrat> love that glove hat
Oct 17 09:26:46 <timoph> cat
Oct 17 09:26:49 <timoph> :)
Oct 17 09:26:54 <Texrat> hope there was no brain damage
Oct 17 09:27:30 <timoph> took some effort to get it stretched to my head
Oct 17 09:28:00 <timoph> those gloves were actually too small for my hands :)
Oct 17 09:28:39 <sivang> timoph: how cold is it already? snowing/raining?
Oct 17 09:28:41 <timoph> to for some reason it felt like a good idea to wear one as a hat
Oct 17 09:29:07 <timoph> 4 degrees currently, no snow yet in Tampere
Oct 17 09:29:31 <timoph> it snowed a bit a few days back
Oct 17 09:29:41 <sivang> ah that's nice
Oct 17 09:29:42 <sivang> :)
Oct 17 09:30:05 <sivang> timoph: were you in dev days btw?
Oct 17 09:30:12 <timoph> nope
Oct 17 09:30:27 <timoph> too busy working or something :)
Oct 17 09:30:36 <sivang> heh
Oct 17 09:31:18 <timoph> that 4 degrees means 39 degrees for fahrenheit people
Oct 17 09:32:11 <sivang> timoph: I'm with centigrades so no problem for me :)
Oct 17 09:32:20 <timoph> :)
Oct 17 09:32:23 <johnx> timoph, don't do conversion for them, otherwise they'll never learn :P
Oct 17 09:33:18 <sivang> timoph: and people comlained Munich was cold :)
Oct 17 09:33:30 <sivang> timoph: I told them 10c is summer :)
Oct 17 09:33:39 <timoph> I didn't. Ubuntu did :) (changed the weather widget's setting)
Oct 17 09:34:27 <timoph> yep. Really waiting for those -30 winter days
Oct 17 09:35:03 <johnx> if you wait for the -40 days you won't have to do the C-to-F conversion for people ;) (that's IIRC)
Oct 17 09:35:12 <timoph> :)
Oct 17 09:37:43 <sivang> timoph: are you really waiting for those days?
Oct 17 09:38:24 <timoph> not really
Oct 17 09:39:21 <timoph> those days are usually very pretty but it's painfull to go out
Oct 17 09:40:09 <markey> sivang: hey dude :)
Oct 17 09:40:12 <markey> had a good trip home?
Oct 17 09:41:38 <timoph> anyone seen the movie 'the american'? any good?
Oct 17 09:42:01 * timoph is thinking of going to the movies today
Oct 17 09:49:47 <sivang> markey: hey!
Oct 17 09:50:03 <sivang> markey: I did, yes, it was quite good and I've mostly recovered already.
Oct 17 09:51:23 * markey fetches some breakfast
Oct 17 09:52:01 <CosmoHill> markey: what country are you in?
Oct 17 09:52:16 <markey> CosmoHill: living in Switzerland (but I am German)
Oct 17 09:52:42 <CosmoHill> what time is it there?
Oct 17 09:52:52 <sivang> markey: seen the sprint outcome on the techbase wiki already? I failed logging in the techbase page, /me retries
Oct 17 09:55:14 <markey> CosmoHill: 11:52
Oct 17 09:55:26 <markey> sivang: no, not yet, but I should really do that ASAP
Oct 17 09:55:28 <CosmoHill> you could wait 8 mins and call it lunch :p
Oct 17 09:55:30 <sivang> markey: same as here
Oct 17 09:55:39 <sivang> markey: and send your outcome and stuff to Dan quickly
Oct 17 09:55:46 <sivang> markey: he's waiting for this for the dot article
Oct 17 09:55:53 <markey> iKnow
Oct 17 10:49:24 <niala> hi, have a nice and cold day.
Oct 17 10:56:50 <djszapi> in Finland ?
Oct 17 10:56:56 <djszapi> or in Brazil :)
Oct 17 10:59:35 <thiago_home> given that IP, he's in France
Oct 17 11:02:53 <arfoll> has anyone found any of the source code used by the WeTab? 4titoo or whatever they are called seem to be clearly violating the GPL and not caring about it...
Oct 17 11:17:44 <timeless_mbp> arfoll: have you bought one?
Oct 17 11:18:14 <Stskeeps> arfoll: what is missing?
Oct 17 11:20:34 <arfoll> timeless_mbp, no but everything
Oct 17 11:20:50 <arfoll> there are quite a few posts on the german community forum complaining
Oct 17 11:21:06 <Stskeeps> arfoll: at least the meego 1.0 base should be == meego 1.0
Oct 17 11:21:06 <arfoll> they don't even have their kernel sources anywhere
Oct 17 11:21:18 <Stskeeps> ah, kernel
Oct 17 11:21:32 <arfoll> Stskeeps, their kernel is kernel-wetab so I bet they have their own patches in their for example
Oct 17 11:21:51 <thiago_home> arfoll: you don't get to ask for the sources unless you buy the device
Oct 17 11:21:52 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 17 11:21:55 <timeless_mbp> isn't gpl something which just requires an offer letter to people instead of a permanent online repository?
Oct 17 11:22:03 <thiago_home> for all you know, the manual has a URL where you can download everything
Oct 17 11:22:28 <pupnik> hows the battery life on that WeTab turning-out?
Oct 17 11:22:29 <arfoll> thiago_home, GPL sources are available to all
Oct 17 11:22:33 <Chani> arfoll: no
Oct 17 11:22:34 <thiago_home> no
Oct 17 11:22:42 <Chani> arfoll: what thiago_home says is correct.
Oct 17 11:22:47 <thiago_home> GPL sources must be made available to all who receive GPL binaries
Oct 17 11:22:57 <arfoll> Chani, and I can download their binaries
Oct 17 11:22:59 <Chani> if you offer someone the binary, *then* you must also offer them the source.
Oct 17 11:23:11 <arfoll> Chani, therefore they must give me their sources
Oct 17 11:23:13 <timeless_mbp> Chani:  no
Oct 17 11:23:17 <timeless_mbp> only if they take the binary
Oct 17 11:23:17 <thiago_home> can you? are you sure the sources aren't right next to it?
Oct 17 11:23:18 <Chani> arfoll: you can?
Oct 17 11:23:26 <timeless_mbp> if you offer me a binary and i don't take it from you
Oct 17 11:23:30 <timeless_mbp> i'm not entitled to your sources
Oct 17 11:23:46 <arfoll> Chani, yes here -   http://update.tiitoo.com/stable/1.0/system/
Oct 17 11:24:54 <Chani> huh
Oct 17 11:25:09 <thiago_home> ok, then it sounds like the SRPMS are missing
Oct 17 11:25:13 <thiago_home> have you mailed them asking?
Oct 17 11:25:18 <timeless_mbp> this is a great web page: http://tiitoo.com/
Oct 17 11:25:19 <Chani> well, that's a repo... no html anywhere... odd that I don't see any -source packages but I don't know rpm very well
Oct 17 11:26:04 <arfoll> thiago_home, yes I have no reply, and on the german community forums people have been asking for a while
Oct 17 11:26:08 <arfoll> I doubt i'm the first
Oct 17 11:26:17 <Chani> arfoll: yeah, that sounds like a gpl issue then. :/
Oct 17 11:26:25 <thiago_home> then they need to reply
Oct 17 11:26:54 <arfoll> I posted on meego-dev hoping to incite a reply
Oct 17 11:27:34 <arfoll> thiago_home, you said their manual had a page to download their sources?
Oct 17 11:27:45 <thiago_home> no
Oct 17 11:27:50 <thiago_home> I said "for all you know, it might have"
Oct 17 11:27:58 <thiago_home> I don't have the manual to confirm
Oct 17 11:28:00 <Stskeeps> or a written offer
Oct 17 11:28:13 <arfoll> ah i know it doesn't I've been speaking to a guy that has a wetab, it may have a written offer
Oct 17 11:28:48 <Robot101> so why hasn't someone taken the sources and put them online immediately? :)
Oct 17 11:29:03 <thiago_home> but 4tiitoo needs to reply to people who have the offer if that's the case
Oct 17 11:29:22 <thiago_home> more than likely they're swamped in emails and work and don't know what to do
Oct 17 11:29:37 <arfoll> Robot101, i'm guessing they haven't given them
Oct 17 11:29:55 <timeless_mbp> Robot101: that requires resources
Oct 17 11:30:04 <timeless_mbp> != 0 $$
Oct 17 11:30:39 <timeless_mbp> to be fair, and to be on topic for #meego, someone should ensure that meego's wiki has a page that documents how to set up a repository
Oct 17 11:30:41 <arfoll> thiago_home, if you're taking GPL code you should have the ressources to redistribute the sources
Oct 17 11:30:48 <thiago_home> arfoll: yep
Oct 17 11:31:09 <arfoll> no ressources is no excuse. And this is on topic
Oct 17 11:31:09 <timeless_mbp> and ensure that it highlights that it's virtually necessary to provide src.rpm files in the repository to satisfy license requirements w/o undo burden/headaches
Oct 17 11:31:24 <timeless_mbp> arfoll: that was to Robot101
Oct 17 11:31:27 <timeless_mbp> different thread
Oct 17 11:31:37 <timeless_mbp> if i actually were to get the sources, i'm not obligated to share them
Oct 17 11:31:46 <arfoll> timeless_mbp, ah fair enough - and yes they have to at least provide all sources + patches + spec which basically means a src.rpm
Oct 17 11:31:47 <timeless_mbp> and i might choose not to because it would cost *me* money to host them
Oct 17 11:31:58 <Robot101> not obligated no, but most people who care about gpl violations a) do want to share them, and b) have a server to do so
Oct 17 11:32:13 <timeless_mbp> Robot101: i do things because they amuse me :)
Oct 17 11:32:25 <timeless_mbp> i'd be likely to get a source disk just to have it...
Oct 17 11:32:33 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, most people wouldn't
Oct 17 11:32:39 <Robot101> not everyone is so pointlessly contrary :P
Oct 17 11:33:25 <arfoll> either way it doesnt bode well to have the first meego tablet not sharing their sources
Oct 17 11:33:46 <timeless_mbp> anyway, complaining about wetab or something else is imo /slightly/ offtopic for #meego. making it ontopic involves figuring out how it relates to <meego.com>, which is probably in the form of the wiki page i suggest above
Oct 17 11:34:11 <timeless_mbp> … sure, complain once, but after that, move on, or be constructive on topic
Oct 17 11:34:18 <thiago_home> well, the wetab is a meego device, so it's on-topic
Oct 17 11:34:30 <thiago_home> but I agree: move on
Oct 17 11:34:42 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: well, it's not compliant and doesn't mention meego anywhere ;)
Oct 17 11:34:47 <Stskeeps> (using trademark)
Oct 17 11:35:05 <thiago_home> because there is no compliancy for tablets yet
Oct 17 11:35:11 <timeless_mbp> heh
Oct 17 11:35:14 <timeless_mbp> "oops"
Oct 17 11:35:23 <Stskeeps> even for meego core :)
Oct 17 11:35:24 <arfoll> didn't realise you guys didn't care about people ripping off the meego project
Oct 17 11:35:27 <timeless_mbp> but seriously, is there a page that talks about how to set up a repo?
Oct 17 11:35:34 <thiago_home> but everyone knows it's a meego device
Oct 17 11:35:46 <timeless_mbp> arfoll: it's too early to worry about that
Oct 17 11:35:51 <timeless_mbp> 1. get your ducks in order
Oct 17 11:35:53 <arfoll> timeless_mbp, it's an RPM repo they are loads of explanations on the web
Oct 17 11:35:55 <timeless_mbp> 2. worry about everyone else
Oct 17 11:36:04 <timeless_mbp> arfoll: terrible argument
Oct 17 11:36:14 <Stskeeps> arfoll: well, this is up to LF really - we're just mere codrs
Oct 17 11:36:15 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 17 11:36:59 <timeless_mbp> arfoll: by that logic, we shouldn't have packaging guidelines
Oct 17 11:37:04 <timeless_mbp> or source repositories at all
Oct 17 11:37:20 <timeless_mbp> … Stskeeps: please say we have packaging guidelines (or at least plans for...)
Oct 17 11:37:25 <arfoll> timeless_mbp, well OBS makes RPM repos automtically
Oct 17 11:37:44 <thiago_home> so how do you configure OBS to produce the SRPMS and publish them?
Oct 17 11:39:10 <Stskeeps> it does automatically
Oct 17 11:39:21 <arfoll> thiago_home, it does so by default
Oct 17 11:39:32 <timeless_mbp> http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group
Oct 17 11:39:36 <timeless_mbp> what's the status of that?
Oct 17 11:39:39 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: Packaging/Guidelines on wiki/
Oct 17 11:39:57 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: oh good
Oct 17 11:44:09 <timeless_mbp> right… so what's the status of that Proposal?
Oct 17 11:44:24 <timeless_mbp> and in general, how does one find the status of an arbitrary proposal w/o asking 20 people?
Oct 17 11:44:40 <timeless_mbp> (not using an issue tracker for such things is lame)
Oct 17 11:44:47 <thiago_home> ask the contact person
Oct 17 11:44:51 <thiago_home> the wiki should have that
Oct 17 11:46:02 <timeless_mbp> http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group has a status
Oct 17 11:46:05 <timeless_mbp> the other one does not
Oct 17 11:46:50 <TermanaN900> Ask lbt the status, the wiki says he is one of the representatives of the proposal
Oct 17 11:50:20 <timeless_mbp> i'd kinda like to change how we do proposals so that the wiki page is renamed to:
Oct 17 11:50:31 <timeless_mbp> "Foo_working_group (Proposal)"
Oct 17 11:50:36 <timeless_mbp> "Foo_working_group (Accepted)"
Oct 17 11:50:44 <timeless_mbp> "Foo_working_group (Rejected)"
Oct 17 11:51:06 <timeless_mbp> that way i can easily figure out what a working group's status is w/o having to try to read randomly formatted proposals
Oct 17 11:51:41 <Robot101> a wiki template could draw a consistent box on each page, and generate index pages of all proposals in certain statuses
Oct 17 11:52:23 <timeless_mbp> of note:
Oct 17 11:52:25 <timeless_mbp> http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_Community_Application_Support
Oct 17 11:52:25 <timeless_mbp> #REDIRECT Community Application Support ...
Oct 17 11:52:33 <timeless_mbp> http://wiki.meego.com/Licensing_Proposal
Oct 17 11:52:44 <timeless_mbp> so we aren't really consistent about where we stick 'Proposal'
Oct 17 11:53:02 <timeless_mbp> but at least one group just removed 'Proposal for' from the beginning when they were approved
Oct 17 11:53:14 <timeless_mbp> it'd be easier on readers if it was removed from the end
Oct 17 11:53:20 <timeless_mbp> CAS (Proposal) => CAS
Oct 17 11:54:28 <Robot101> or that the pages didn't rename and had a box saying MeeGo Working Group, Status: Proposal | Active | Rejected
Oct 17 11:54:57 <timeless_mbp> also fine
Oct 17 11:55:15 <timeless_mbp> (might as well support Discontinued/Retired/Disbanded however you want to call it)
Oct 17 11:55:56 <timeless_mbp> if we do it your way, does someone have to make a proposal, or can you just do it?
Oct 17 11:56:00 <timeless_mbp> and would you be willing to do the work
Oct 17 11:56:03 * timeless_mbp hates wikis
Oct 17 11:56:29 <Robot101> I'm not a big wiki gardener - w00t_ did some nice stuff on the collabora wiki though
Oct 17 11:56:30 <timeless_mbp> the other thing that would be nice is to include something which shows <Creation> and <Last non minor update>
Oct 17 11:56:37 <timeless_mbp> e.g. http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Two_weeks_delay_proposal
Oct 17 11:56:37 <thiago_home> Compare And Swap?
Oct 17 11:56:46 <timeless_mbp> Community Application Support
Oct 17 11:56:55 <timeless_mbp> sorry, see 5 lines back
Oct 17 11:57:04 <timeless_mbp> … i can't figure out when that proposal was made
Oct 17 11:57:12 <timeless_mbp> and i shouldn't have to click a link to find out
Oct 17 11:57:32 <thiago_home> Column Address Strobe?
Oct 17 12:50:16 <sgo11> hi, just trying meego liveusb on netbook. in "network" UI, I can not find wireless connection setup. how to enable it? do I need to install any drivers? if so, how? thanks.
Oct 17 12:51:47 <pupnik_> what wireless card/chipset do you have?
Oct 17 12:52:17 <pupnik_> you could check first to see if the card is recognized and an appropriate kernel module is loaded
Oct 17 12:52:25 <pupnik_> lsmod
Oct 17 12:52:38 <niala> is you netcard supported
Oct 17 12:53:39 <sgo11> sorry. I don't really know which wireless card I am using. how to open a terminal first? thanks.
Oct 17 12:54:21 <sgo11> saw it.
Oct 17 12:54:29 <niala> application-panel-->...
Oct 17 12:55:20 <sgo11> this is the first time I try meego. I thought meego was QT based. but why did I see all gnome apps? gnome terminal, gedit etc.... weird.
Oct 17 12:58:05 <niala> it's the 'begining' not reinvented the wheel
Oct 17 12:59:11 <pupnik_> sgo11: i usually look at /var/log/syslog and look for something like
Oct 17 12:59:12 <pupnik_> Oct 14 14:14:35 lenovy kernel: iwlagn: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux, 1.3.27ks
Oct 17 13:02:54 <sgo11> any IRC client in meego? so that I can paste something here. thanks.
Oct 17 13:03:27 <niala> pigdin or empathy
Oct 17 13:03:53 <rittk> sgo11: QT == QuickTime
Oct 17 13:05:26 <niala> Qt  != QT
Oct 17 13:06:07 <rittk> indeed
Oct 17 13:06:32 <rittk> QuickTime based meego is a mith
Oct 17 13:06:44 <niala> sgo11, soory I can't help you for your wifi
Oct 17 13:06:56 <sgo11> Sorry, I mean Qt.
Oct 17 13:07:02 <smithna> I've been using zypper to update packages out of the daily repo -- will this match *release* package configurations?  ie: if a program is dropped for another, how do I reflect that change in my system?
Oct 17 13:07:08 <niala> sgo11, may be if you post me your netbook :p
Oct 17 13:07:27 <sgo11> niala, I saw empathy. thanks.
Oct 17 13:07:30 <sgo11> :)
Oct 17 13:09:31 <niala> sgo11, try to submit a bug to http://bugs.meego.com/
Oct 17 13:11:15 <sgo11> niala, thanks. I am learning how to use empathy IRC...
Oct 17 13:14:33 <sgo11> pupnik_, I don't have syslog file...
Oct 17 13:15:32 <sgo11> what is the default root password?
Oct 17 13:15:39 <niala> meego
Oct 17 13:15:50 <sgo11> yeah, works. :)
Oct 17 13:20:16 <pupnik_> sorry sgo11 - i'm too used to the debian way to give detailed help
Oct 17 13:21:36 <sgo11> I am not sure how to use empathy IRC... I think I have broadcom wireless card.
Oct 17 13:22:22 <sgo11> pupnik_, no worries. I found this link: http://tips.tectip.info/how-to-set-up-the-broadcom-wifi-under-meego-1-0/
Oct 17 13:22:34 <niala> sgo11, look at the meego forum
Oct 17 13:23:41 <niala> http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238
Oct 17 13:23:49 <niala> sgo11,
Oct 17 13:24:39 <sgo11> niala, thanks a lot. Let me see..
Oct 17 13:27:30 <sgo11> yum or zypper ? which is preferred for meego?
Oct 17 13:27:55 <djszapi> packagekit
Oct 17 13:29:02 <shadeslayer> hehe
Oct 17 13:29:14 <shadeslayer> i prefer apt-get along with alien :P
Oct 17 13:29:56 <niala> ./configure ; make; make install
Oct 17 13:30:19 <djszapi> niala: that is not OK...
Oct 17 13:30:24 <djszapi> python packages and so on...
Oct 17 13:31:10 <sgo11> djszapi, how to launch packagekit?
Oct 17 13:31:12 <djszapi> and I do not see the point to build from source if that is not needed.
Oct 17 13:31:14 <niala> ah
Oct 17 13:32:01 <djszapi> sgo11: install and run
Oct 17 13:33:55 <niala> put the tape and type 'run "program" '
Oct 17 13:34:05 <sgo11> djszapi, sorry, I don't get it. I just used zypper. I am not sure how to launch packagekit in meego.
Oct 17 13:34:06 <niala> sorry it was for the amstrad cpc464 :)
Oct 17 13:35:04 <niala> sgo11, zypper i's nice, in fact for now yum or zypper is equal
Oct 17 13:36:22 <djszapi> sgo11: you do not get how to install and run an application ?
Oct 17 13:36:28 <sgo11> niala, thanks.
Oct 17 13:37:05 <rittk> packagekit is very bad there. use zypper
Oct 17 13:39:37 <CosmoHill> sgo11: zypper
Oct 17 13:40:09 <CosmoHill> yum will not be in Meego 1.2
Oct 17 13:40:46 <sgo11> djszapi, ok, just found zypper and yum are both supported in meego. I was just asking which is better supported. you answered packagekit. I thought packagekit was the recommended way. but I don't know how to launch it. that's all. anyway.
Oct 17 13:41:39 <djszapi> zypper will be the solution later.
Oct 17 13:41:51 <djszapi> you can find yum for now, but it will not be the same in the future.
Oct 17 13:42:03 <djszapi> so zypper is preferred, but I still prefer GUI on mobile phone...
Oct 17 13:42:39 <djszapi> exactly, CosmoHill is right :)
Oct 17 13:42:48 <CosmoHill> yay :)
Oct 17 13:43:14 <djszapi> but I still do not understand why Meego architecture involves PackageKit.
Oct 17 13:43:44 <djszapi> I thought meegon started writing an own qtcore/gui, whatever based content project to collect the backends, PackageKit is pure C.
Oct 17 13:44:06 <djszapi> and I am not sure about dbus and glib dependencies whether they are needed. There are other IPC ways.
Oct 17 13:44:17 <smithna> so talking zypper...  Will "zypper --dist-upgrade" remove packages from ones system that are no longer part of the new distro?
Oct 17 13:44:44 <CosmoHill> you mean like "yum"?
Oct 17 13:45:11 <CosmoHill> smithna: i think the best place to check would be the manual page
Oct 17 13:45:23 <djszapi> smithna: this question is not related to Meego imo
Oct 17 13:45:55 <djszapi> it is a general package management policy what to do with the installed packages if the updated repository/database does not contain that package with that name.
Oct 17 13:46:05 <djszapi> I think it is more like zypper internal.
Oct 17 13:46:56 <smithna> djszapi: it's what meego uses...  And I didn't quite get the answer out of the man pages
Oct 17 13:47:40 <Stskeeps> zypper, packagekit on top as an abstraction
Oct 17 13:48:01 <niala> it's rpm
Oct 17 13:48:23 <djszapi> rpm is just a lib, zypper decides what to use and how.
Oct 17 13:49:38 <niala> what is 'rpm -ivh' not the minimal ?
Oct 17 13:49:53 <niala> rpm is not the 'base' ?
Oct 17 13:50:01 <smithna> btw: what other distro uses zypper?  I hadn't heard of it until I started playing with meego
Oct 17 13:50:15 <djszapi> opensuse ?
Oct 17 13:50:16 <djszapi> dunno
Oct 17 13:50:17 <niala> opensuse smithna
Oct 17 13:50:21 <RST38h> Like... Suse? :)
Oct 17 13:50:50 * smithna guesses he missed out playing with Suse
Oct 17 13:54:12 <djszapi> what have moblin used, pure rpm ?
Oct 17 13:54:34 <djszapi> I am just trying to figure out why zypper is supported on Meego arch.
Oct 17 13:55:23 <niala> if I remember correctly moblin use yum
Oct 17 13:56:23 <djszapi> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004552.html
Oct 17 13:57:09 <CosmoHill> moblin used yum
Oct 17 13:57:22 <CosmoHill> ah niala beat me to the answer
Oct 17 13:58:11 <niala> yep that's not frequent
Oct 17 13:58:16 <djszapi> what was the decision base for zypper ?
Oct 17 14:05:15 <Stskeeps> its fast, c++, yum is python and slow
Oct 17 14:05:48 * RST38h once again wonders if Meego will break away from RedHat/SuSe habit of shipping multiple tools to do the same job
Oct 17 14:06:03 <Termana> It's also not as good as yum at resolving conflicts
Oct 17 14:06:34 <Termana> RST38h, yum isn't shipped
Oct 17 14:07:15 <RST38h> Termana: Good!
Oct 17 14:07:35 <RST38h> Termana: I hope yast/yast2/yastN isn't shipped either?
Oct 17 14:08:11 <Termana> RST38h, hmm, I don't think so
Oct 17 14:08:24 <CosmoHill> RST38h: we like to give you a choice :)
Oct 17 14:08:39 <RST38h> Packagekit isn't shipped either?
Oct 17 14:08:46 <sgo11> djszapi, CosmoHill, Thanks for the answer. I was away.
Oct 17 14:09:12 <RST38h> CosmoHill: I (personally) do not want choice. I want something that works and does not take toomuch resources
Oct 17 14:09:21 <sgo11> opensuse is using zypper as command line tool and yast as GUI tool. I am using openSuSE and xchat now.
Oct 17 14:09:55 <CosmoHill> doesn't yast have a command line interface too?
Oct 17 14:10:16 <djszapi> sgo11: yw :)
Oct 17 14:11:40 <sgo11> CosmoHill, yast2 is GUI interface. yast is command line interface. zypper is command line tool with arguments. sorry about my poor english. I think yast doesn't accept arguments, it's a text interface wizard.
Oct 17 14:12:12 <RST38h> Well, the first yast has been curses-based
Oct 17 14:12:15 <CosmoHill> sgo11: you're english is fine
Oct 17 14:12:23 <RST38h> or something that looked like curses anyway
Oct 17 14:12:34 <sgo11> CosmoHill, ok. :)
Oct 17 14:12:56 <RST38h> But, in short, independently on how many sys management packages areout there, only one should be present in the OS
Oct 17 14:13:19 <RST38h> If multiple such tools are present, your OS becomes...well...a RedHat
Oct 17 14:14:12 <RST38h> (and yes, I especially love it how you can kill yum in Centos by upgrading Python :))
Oct 17 14:14:20 <CosmoHill> I think the main reason for keeping yum was because it was part of mobin so people are used to it
Oct 17 14:14:42 <CosmoHill> you want change but if you do to much as once you just end up with a lot of confused faces
Oct 17 14:15:28 <CosmoHill> ah...crap
Oct 17 14:15:45 <CosmoHill> that python upgrade I did in CentOS might explain some of the errors I'm having
Oct 17 14:18:17 <berndhs> packagekit doesn't work very well if your cases is the least bit a-typical
Oct 17 14:23:55 <rittk> hmm...cann't build the broadcom wifi driver on meego 1.1.80
Oct 17 14:35:39 <rittk> patches for >2.6.33 were needed
Oct 17 14:35:43 <rittk> stupid linus
Oct 17 14:38:17 <rittk> hate his `break everything in every minor version` policy
Oct 17 14:39:36 <niala> get your own kernel
Oct 17 14:40:00 <Termana> niala, lol
Oct 17 14:41:34 <niala> if your wifi is recognized in netx kernel
Oct 17 14:43:25 <niala> Termana, yes my sentence was confusing  :)
Oct 17 15:04:00 <smithna> I'm trying to run meego-headset-* (music,video,pictures) with the ivi base (those packages have been added to the repo for ivi) -- but the best I can get is a black screen that is off-centered (for picture/video).  Music version just segfaults.  I didn't see any bugs for this, so I am guessing I messed something up
Oct 17 15:06:00 <smithna> see here for example output (all apps give the same types of errors): http://pastebin.com/pgdt0sns
Oct 17 15:21:52 <thiago_home> sounds like installation problem
Oct 17 15:22:08 <thiago_home> it's not finding the theme files
Oct 17 15:27:09 <Stskeeps> smithna: got a gdb backtrace of the problem?
Oct 17 15:27:20 <Stskeeps> or .xsession-errors output
Oct 17 15:32:31 <smithna> Stskeeps: I can get both
Oct 17 15:32:40 * smithna runs out to car to get info
Oct 17 15:34:08 * thiago_home ponders on the words "debugging one's car"
Oct 17 15:35:51 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: qt everywhere
Oct 17 15:38:51 <thiago_home> yeah
Oct 17 15:39:05 * thiago_home puts on his list to ask for a "device" to debug on now
Oct 17 15:39:30 <thiago_home> can we run them on BMWs? Or Mercedes?
Oct 17 15:41:37 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: i think bmw was one of the genivi members but i might be wrohng
Oct 17 15:43:20 <thiago_home> I think dirk mentioned the series 7 having meego soon during his presentation at DD-MUC
Oct 17 15:51:10 <CosmoHill> s/noob/nom/
Oct 17 15:52:26 <lcuk> :D CosmoHill
Oct 17 15:53:36 <CosmoHill> ah ha
Oct 17 15:53:47 <CosmoHill> the answer was so obvious I missed it >.<
Oct 17 15:53:56 <lcuk> CosmoHill, I was asking for wine advice o_O
Oct 17 15:54:17 <CosmoHill> you should have come over last night, you could have asked my parents wine dealer
Oct 17 15:54:32 <lcuk> heh
Oct 17 15:54:42 * lcuk keeps forgetting, where in country are you?
Oct 17 15:54:51 <lcuk> tracy and luke and jacob had a go of my helicopter last night.
Oct 17 15:55:11 <RST38h> is it still in one piece?
Oct 17 15:55:13 <lcuk> jacob managed to fly it around the house and landed it safely in the lounge (assisted flight..)
Oct 17 15:55:31 <lcuk> luke looked like a seasoned pro, flying it around the kitchen properly, his balancing skills are amazing :)
Oct 17 15:55:36 <CosmoHill> are THEY still in one piece?
Oct 17 15:55:47 <lcuk> and tracy floored the accelerometer, sent it flying into the ceiling, then crash landed it in the sink
Oct 17 15:56:11 <lcuk> err
Oct 17 15:56:16 <lcuk> accerator *
Oct 17 15:56:26 * lcuk was just talking about accelerometers lol
Oct 17 15:56:51 <lcuk> RST38h, surprisingly robust
Oct 17 15:57:13 <RST38h> ours is still flying too I think
Oct 17 15:57:33 <lcuk> as soon as I get the battery for my bigger oneI will feel better
Oct 17 15:57:40 <lcuk> it flies much more effectively :)
Oct 17 15:59:48 <smithna> Ok, here we go...  http://pastebin.org/256591
Oct 17 16:00:41 <smithna> btw: hfdialer list meegotouchcp-connman-libconnman-qt as a dependancy, but it's not in core or ivi repos
Oct 17 16:03:45 * smithna sees problem with hfdialer it should be meegotouchcp-connman-ivi-libconnman-qt, not meegotouchcp-connman-libconnman-qt
Oct 17 16:43:11 * smithna wonders if everyone ran off...
Oct 17 16:48:15 <thiago_home> yep, we did
Oct 17 16:48:28 * lcuk went for Sunday Roast
Oct 17 16:54:44 * CosmoHill has been fighting his srand
Oct 17 16:56:40 <CosmoHill> it's not random enough
Oct 17 17:05:13 <lcuk> hmm CosmoHill
Oct 17 17:05:16 <lcuk> how do you know?
Oct 17 17:05:43 <CosmoHill> cos I can see patterns
Oct 17 17:06:23 <lcuk> in what data set?  how are you requesting the values and how are you getting to see the patterns?
Oct 17 17:06:37 <CosmoHill> I'm using time(NULL) as the initial seed but as I'm in a loop it doesn't change for X turns
Oct 17 17:06:43 * lcuk used to display random data on a 3d plot and saw clusters with certain homebrew algorithms
Oct 17 17:07:15 <lcuk> well you should not be seeding at every iteration
Oct 17 17:07:42 <RST38h> time() isn't a good seed to begin with
Oct 17 17:07:57 <lcuk> its reasonable for a one off init for most things
Oct 17 17:08:09 <lcuk> but using it multiple times per second is where the problem is coming
Oct 17 17:08:10 <RST38h> Go with the clock() or some combination of both
Oct 17 17:08:32 <BManojlovic> use microphone as input of random data :)
Oct 17 17:08:37 <RST38h> yea, it is a seed, you are not supposed to use it all the time
Oct 17 17:08:46 <RST38h> Microphone? 50Hz.
Oct 17 17:09:00 <RST38h> 60Hz if you are on the other side of the pond
Oct 17 17:09:04 <berndhs> use twitter public timeline to get noise
Oct 17 17:09:13 <lcuk> or -3hz if you are in the pond.
Oct 17 17:09:25 <BManojlovic> europe, so yes :)
Oct 17 17:10:07 <RST38h> x86 has a hardware random number source =)
Oct 17 17:11:56 <CosmoHill> huh, why didn't I think of only seeding once
Oct 17 17:12:41 <RST38h> Because you didn't care to read Wiki on the subject? =)
Oct 17 17:12:48 <lcuk> RST38h, is that the FDIV?
Oct 17 17:13:03 <RST38h> lcuk: Nah, a moment
Oct 17 17:13:07 <lcuk> CosmoHill, seeding is something you do only once :P
Oct 17 17:13:10 <CosmoHill> thanks very much you two :)
Oct 17 17:13:27 <CosmoHill> I think now would be a good time for some more tea
Oct 17 17:14:55 <lcuk> int random(){ return 4; } ( http://xkcd.com/221/ )
Oct 17 17:15:25 <CosmoHill> hahahhaha
Oct 17 17:15:51 <CosmoHill> that would be one way to cause an infinite loop in my program
Oct 17 17:16:14 <lcuk> :)
Oct 17 17:17:20 <CosmoHill> the program itself is pretty simple, create a random string until it matches a defined one
Oct 17 17:17:58 <thiago_home> sounds like my random sort algo
Oct 17 17:17:59 <lcuk> wouldnt strdup() be more efficient?
Oct 17 17:18:30 <CosmoHill> oh bugger, something else has broken now
Oct 17 17:18:38 <thiago_home> how long is your string?
Oct 17 17:18:50 <CosmoHill> the final one will be 28 characters
Oct 17 17:19:51 <thiago_home> now calculate how many operations are required to compute that string
Oct 17 17:20:03 <CosmoHill> at the moment it finds my 3 char one is 74090 attempts. It's found it in that many attempts the last 4 goes
Oct 17 17:20:38 <lcuk> there is something bigger wrong
Oct 17 17:20:54 <lcuk> :P
Oct 17 17:20:54 <thiago_home> that exact number?
Oct 17 17:21:02 <CosmoHill> yes
Oct 17 17:21:09 <lcuk> also, statistically, how often are you rechecking the same characters?
Oct 17 17:21:15 <CosmoHill> (it prints out the attempts at the end)
Oct 17 17:21:19 <thiago_home> that's extremely unlikely with real random
Oct 17 17:21:29 <thiago_home> so it's more likely you're not using the random functions correctly
Oct 17 17:21:51 <CosmoHill> hmm
Oct 17 17:21:57 <thiago_home> how are you composing the characters? full ASCII set? full 8-bit set? or just the alpha?
Oct 17 17:22:26 <CosmoHill> part of ASCII
Oct 17 17:23:04 <CosmoHill> I kinda want help but not to much since it's my assignment
Oct 17 17:23:33 <lcuk> CosmoHill, guidance and support vs outright copy paste ;)
Oct 17 17:23:41 <CosmoHill> pretty much
Oct 17 17:24:53 <lcuk> do we get tshirts at the end of this?
Oct 17 17:25:01 <lcuk> "we helped cosmohill pass his degree"
Oct 17 17:25:30 <thiago_home> are you doing character-by-character detection, or full string?
Oct 17 17:25:37 <CosmoHill> character by character
Oct 17 17:25:52 <thiago_home> ok, then at least that's doable
Oct 17 17:26:15 <CosmoHill> the main / only problem at the moment is that the random numbers are not random at all
Oct 17 17:26:24 <CosmoHill> I've gotten idental output the last 10 times
Oct 17 17:27:27 <thiago_home> sounds like your seeding isn't very good
Oct 17 17:28:08 <CosmoHill> hmmm
Oct 17 17:28:09 <RST38h> lcuk: Sorry, it is actually part of the i80802 FWHub
Oct 17 17:28:21 <sgo11> will broadcom driver and mp3 be supported by default in the future release of Meego?
Oct 17 17:28:25 <lcuk> ok CosmoHill forget the bigger picture, run just your core single character box and check its outputs.   once you know that works and gives random values without reseeding itself (if its a class, use the constructor to do seeding, then just step the randomness beyond)
Oct 17 17:28:26 <RST38h> lcuk: Later chipset versions do not include it
Oct 17 17:28:42 <lcuk> RST38h, but they have TPM chip which afaik offers a similar api for randomness
Oct 17 17:28:44 <CosmoHill> my mac is being random (in a good way) but the powerful computer isn't
Oct 17 17:29:11 <lcuk> CosmoHill, chances are your seed function is returning different data on thedifferent arches
Oct 17 17:29:16 <RST38h> lcuk: Not familiar with the TPM, but did have to look at the 80802 datasheet a short while ago
Oct 17 17:29:20 <CosmoHill> ah
Oct 17 17:29:40 <thiago_home> sgo11: MP3, no
Oct 17 17:29:45 <thiago_home> sgo11: broadcom, ask broadcom
Oct 17 17:29:59 <thiago_home> if they get the drivers in the Linux kernel, under the GPL license, then it's sure
Oct 17 17:31:04 <sgo11> thiago_home, why not mp3? most of people have to install mp3 codec manually anyway. that is hard for general user. actually, it's kinda impossible for general user.
Oct 17 17:31:18 <thiago_home> maybe, but that's life
Oct 17 17:31:21 <sgo11> for broadcom driver, it's extremely hard.
Oct 17 17:31:31 <thiago_home> unfortunately, the companies behind MP3 drive a hard bargain
Oct 17 17:32:44 <sgo11> meego decides to use qt. Will meego change all the current applications? I see most of them are gnome/GTK apps. Banshee (Amarok), GnomeTerminal(konsole), GnomeEye(gwenview), gedit(kwrite), evolution PIM (kontact) etc...
Oct 17 17:32:55 <thiago_home> sgo11: only if necessary
Oct 17 17:33:03 <thiago_home> there's no need to drop applications that work fine
Oct 17 17:33:31 <CosmoHill> lcuk: new problem, I need to let my mac cool down between tests :o
Oct 17 17:33:32 <sgo11> ok. :)
Oct 17 17:33:52 <sergeyle> Hi everyone. I guess I'm not original, but the http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux wiki page is not as comprehensive as it used to be. Speaking more specifically, what's the image that I have to download if I want to try the chroot option?
Oct 17 17:34:00 <sergeyle> Thanks in advance
Oct 17 17:34:12 <thiago_home> sgo11: also note that device vendors might provide the MP3 codec
Oct 17 17:34:21 <thiago_home> and they most surely will make sure MeeGo works with their hardware
Oct 17 17:34:38 <lcuk> CosmoHill, lol
Oct 17 17:34:55 <sgo11> for mp3 and broadcom driver, at least, meego should have them in the repo. so people can zypper or yum install it. that is how ubunut/opensuse handle it. current installation process for meego is really impossible for general users.
Oct 17 17:35:11 <CosmoHill> actually I don't turns out textmate was going nuts trying to display all the output
Oct 17 17:35:46 <thiago_home> sgo11: the problem of redistribution
Oct 17 17:35:58 <sgo11> btw, kwrite is much better than gedit.
Oct 17 17:37:03 <sgo11> thiago_home, how ubuntu/opensuse and other distributions have those drivers/codec in their repo? why can't meego put them in the repo?
Oct 17 17:37:53 <lcuk> CosmoHill, I once brought down the entire house wifi
Oct 17 17:38:08 <thiago_home> sgo11: I don't think they do
Oct 17 17:38:08 <lcuk> because I was logging the output of the graphics routines
Oct 17 17:38:09 <CosmoHill> go on
Oct 17 17:38:20 <CosmoHill> ah, over ssh?
Oct 17 17:38:22 <lcuk> complete heavy description of every single graphical operation
Oct 17 17:38:23 <lcuk> yeah
Oct 17 17:38:24 <thiago_home> there's a reason why PLF recompiles all media applications in Mandriva
Oct 17 17:38:29 <thiago_home> I don't know about other distros, I don't use them
Oct 17 17:39:54 <CosmoHill> lcuk: you know that XKCD comic, I'm tempted to put that in my code now
Oct 17 17:40:22 <sgo11> thiago_home, ok, at least, in other distributions, one click can install the driver or codec. currently for meego, i have to install many/many packages manually for broadcom driver and register an useless account for mp3 codec... ^_^
Oct 17 17:40:26 <lcuk> blol CosmoHill
Oct 17 17:40:28 <lcuk> -b
Oct 17 17:46:14 <CosmoHill> maybe clock() returns the same value on the linux server because it's much more powerful and under little load
Oct 17 17:48:25 <sergeyle> Guys, can any of you help?
Oct 17 17:49:39 <CosmoHill> I'll give you a provision yes with the chance of it changing to a no
Oct 17 17:50:13 <lcuk> sergeyle, yes, those instructions changed from being reasonably simplistic download this image, bish bash bosh
Oct 17 17:50:17 <lcuk> to being more complex
Oct 17 17:50:28 <lcuk> the original will work still (theres a link to it)
Oct 17 17:50:53 <lcuk> but the image software is now slightly out of date and would require linking to different repositories to do anything complex
Oct 17 17:51:14 <sergeyle> lcuk, thanks. What if I want to do it the right way? :)
Oct 17 17:51:17 * CosmoHill gives cookies to lcuk, RST38h and thiago_home 
Oct 17 17:51:40 <lcuk> sergeyle, then follow the more complex instrucitons
Oct 17 17:51:43 <lcuk> instructions
Oct 17 17:51:50 <lcuk> and see how technical it can be
Oct 17 17:52:25 <nasa> did anyone look at the bt and xsession-errors posted earlier
Oct 17 17:52:55 <lcuk> nasa, not sure
Oct 17 17:53:16 <sergeyle> lcuk, do I need to fetch images from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ to get it running?
Oct 17 17:53:30 <lcuk> sergeyle, you need to follow the instructions
Oct 17 17:54:00 <lcuk> the last time I looked on that page early last week it was the simple instructions, when I peeked again it looked rather overwhelming to me :$
Oct 17 17:55:40 <sergeyle> The instructions doesn't seem to work.
Oct 17 17:56:02 <sergeyle> Do you know where do I get the ia32 toolchain from?
Oct 17 17:56:49 <sergeyle> And the mad-admin doen't seem to have meego-core-ia32 as a predefined target
Oct 17 17:57:45 <sergeyle> (though I managed to fetch the correct sysroot)
Oct 17 19:13:15 <FIReun> I've got an atom d525 + ION2 system coming, its a nettop -- is there any advantage of running meego vs ubuntu ?
Oct 17 19:16:49 <djszapi> what is your purpose ?
Oct 17 19:17:06 <FIReun> to exist
Oct 17 19:17:09 <FIReun> (:
Oct 17 19:17:32 <FIReun> its a net top, media watching, some desktop publishing (office)
Oct 17 19:18:13 <FIReun> but I assume because of libraries, meego doesnt support just any old linux app
Oct 17 19:19:23 <FIReun> I dont really expect games to work, but would like to be pleasantly suprised
Oct 17 19:19:24 <djszapi> I would give it a try to meego if you have got time and you will see :)
Oct 17 19:19:46 <FIReun> ok, I'll prolly toss it on a flash drive and give it a run
Oct 17 19:20:00 <CosmoHill> FIReun: meego doesn't currently support Nvidia graphics chips
Oct 17 19:20:14 <FIReun> CosmoHill: well thats a deal breaker then
Oct 17 19:20:55 <djszapi> not, but works in a way.
Oct 17 19:20:59 <thiago_home> all it takes is someone make it work
Oct 17 19:23:19 <FIReun> of course
Oct 17 19:23:23 <FIReun> well thanks for the info
Oct 17 20:17:22 <Myrtti> *nnnggghhh*
Oct 17 20:17:37 <ScottishDuck> ( ･ิз･ิ)
Oct 17 20:20:56 <lcuk> Myrtti, still heavily into embroidery?  did you ever find a pattern designer?
Oct 17 20:31:59 <Myrtti> lcuk: found one for Android...
Oct 17 21:34:29 <Bumblebee> Hello. Anyone listening?
Oct 17 21:34:59 <sofar> hi
Oct 17 21:35:07 <pupnik> hi
Oct 17 21:35:14 <Bumblebee> Hi. I cannot find any download link on http://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/meego-v1.0.4-netbook-update
Oct 17 21:35:27 <sofar> what are you looking for?
Oct 17 21:36:22 <sofar> an image of the stable 1.0 release? that will automatically update
Oct 17 21:36:29 <CosmoHill> you download meego 1.0.0 and update it using zypper
Oct 17 21:36:32 <sofar> there are no images for each of the update releases
Oct 17 21:37:39 <rittk> I'd suggest you the latest 1.1.80.2 snapshot
Oct 17 21:37:49 <rittk> http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/builds/trunk/1.1.80.2.20101015.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.80.2.20101015.1.img
Oct 17 21:37:59 <sofar> or just wait unti 1.1 is released
Oct 17 21:38:11 <CosmoHill> sofar: what's that, about a week?
Oct 17 21:38:19 <sofar> 10 days
Oct 17 21:38:22 <Bumblebee> It might be a good idea to explain that on the site since there is no reason to assume people knowing this without it being explained to them.
Oct 17 21:38:34 <CosmoHill> so a week on wednesday
Oct 17 21:38:48 <sofar> Bumblebee: it's like fedora - there's no fedora 13.1 images
Oct 17 21:39:13 * CosmoHill adds it to the mental FAQ
Oct 17 21:39:57 <sofar> infobot: updateimages is there are no images for updates, just download the latest stable release - it will update itself to the latest updates automatically after installation.
Oct 17 21:39:58 <infobot> sofar: okay
Oct 17 21:43:30 <Bumblebee> Another question. Why is the version supposedly without Google Chrome called meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img? "Chromium" suggests the presence of Chrome.
Oct 17 21:44:15 <pupnik> afaik chromium is the 'FOSS' version
Oct 17 21:44:16 <sofar> wrong name, programmer error
Oct 17 21:44:18 <pupnik> oh
Oct 17 21:44:19 <pupnik> nm
Oct 17 21:46:06 <CosmoHill> Bumblebee: chromium is the open source version of chrome, which pupnik just said
Oct 17 21:46:46 <mihero> not much difference for user between those two
Oct 17 21:47:18 <mihero> been testing the chromium now on new ubuntu
Oct 17 21:47:56 <Bumblebee> I prefer a browser that doesn't report all my activities back to Google. Why not include Iron or Firefox?
Oct 17 21:48:13 <CosmoHill> I thought firefox was included
Oct 17 21:48:14 <sofar> supporting browsers is a huge task
Oct 17 21:48:55 <sofar> there's easily 2-3 people working full time on chrome/chromium support in MeeGo
Oct 17 21:49:04 <mihero> starts to be the most complicated single application in devices
Oct 17 21:49:10 <sofar> mutliple browsers would be too expensive to support
Oct 17 21:49:33 <CosmoHill> multiple browsers would be something meego would support once it's more mature?
Oct 17 21:49:37 <sofar> just look at how many security advisories are filed against firefox/et c
Oct 17 21:49:51 <pupnik> oh disabling various googlespy things shouldn't be too much work - there are patches floating around
Oct 17 21:49:52 <sofar> CosmoHill: from the community OBS, sure
Oct 17 21:50:05 <pupnik> and there's 'inconito mode' which could be set to default
Oct 17 21:50:35 <CosmoHill> speaking of the community OBS, "cobs" and "pub" are joint first in the sub-domain poll
Oct 17 21:51:00 <Bumblebee> Is it more difficuilt to install Firefox in MeeGo than it would be to install it in any other installed Linux distro system?
Oct 17 21:51:13 <sofar> no
Oct 17 21:51:28 <thiago_home> well, yes. If there are no pre-built packages, it's harder.
Oct 17 21:51:49 <sofar> mozilla provides prebuilt binaries
Oct 17 21:51:56 <sofar> you can just install those
Oct 17 21:52:12 <thiago_home> that's harder than distribution packages
Oct 17 21:52:29 <thiago_home> you asked if it were more difficult. I'm answering it is.
Oct 17 21:52:50 <thiago_home> the easiest method is via distro packages.
Oct 17 21:52:53 <sofar> we've already established that part
Oct 17 21:53:03 <sofar> no need to reiterate it
Oct 17 21:56:08 <CosmoHill> sweet, I got a text when my phone was connected to the Ovi suite and it popped up on my computer :)
Oct 17 21:58:04 <Bumblebee> I'm experimenting with Linux on my HP mini 210. I tried Puppeee Linux which is only a third in (download) size but it doesn't recognise my wireless network hardware. Based on what I read I seem to be able to expect MeeGo to work on this netbook. It was nice that I didn't need to erase the SD-card I tried it on to make a bootable medium. I understand that this isn't possible with MeeGo. Or is there?
Oct 17 21:59:58 <Bumblebee> Is ther another metod to get the necessary files on the SD card without erasing the SD card?
Oct 17 22:00:19 <sofar> are you intending to install MeeGo using an SD card?
Oct 17 22:00:29 <sofar> or are you installing MeeGo onto an SD card?
Oct 17 22:00:32 <Bumblebee> For testing purposes yes.
Oct 17 22:00:43 <Bumblebee> To boot from it.
Oct 17 22:00:56 <sofar> if you have enough space on the card, it's possible to have multiple OS's on it
Oct 17 22:01:04 <sofar> otherwise, no
Oct 17 22:01:19 <sofar> you probably also need to repartition, and modify the MeeGo image to work that way
Oct 17 22:01:28 <sofar> so, it's technically possible, but not recommended
Oct 17 22:01:30 <nialaa> works on my usbstick but nowith my sdhc card
Oct 17 22:01:42 <Bumblebee> Yes but according to the instructions writing the IMG file to flash medium erases the medium.
Oct 17 22:01:48 <CosmoHill> it shoudln't be to hard to get puppy linux working, if meego works then puppy should too
Oct 17 22:01:59 <Bumblebee> This wasn't necessary with Puppee.
Oct 17 22:02:08 <sofar> installing from SD card has issues not related to MeeGo - the BIOS needs to support booting from SD card and lots of BIOS'es don't do that
Oct 17 22:02:25 <sofar> Bumblebee: yes, and that is the recommended method
Oct 17 22:02:44 <sofar> get another SD card?
Oct 17 22:02:54 <CosmoHill> if booting from the internal SD reader doesn't work you might want to try a USB adatper
Oct 17 22:03:22 <Bumblebee> Puppeee booted fine from the SD card ( http://puppeee.com/web/ )
Oct 17 22:05:46 <sofar> Bumblebee: it's totally possible to have multiple live images on one medium
Oct 17 22:06:27 <sofar> Bumblebee: but in order to get that working, you'd need to manipulate the second image you install on that medium in a way which is not trivial
Oct 17 22:07:05 <sofar> it has nothing to do with MeeGo at all... any second live image on a SD card will have this problem
Oct 17 22:07:35 <Bumblebee> Doesn't the image writer suggested ( https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer ) overwrite, meaning erase, the flash medium when writing the IMG file?
Oct 17 22:07:56 <sofar> yes, because that's the RECOMMENDED method (iow, easiest)
Oct 17 22:08:42 <sofar> there is not a distro in the world which will show you how to install a second live OS on to a USB stick/SD card
Oct 17 22:08:42 <Bumblebee> Ok but is there an alternative that doesn't erase everything. Just copies the files to the SD?
Oct 17 22:09:04 <sofar> sure there is, if there is enough unpartitioned space around, and disk space free
Oct 17 22:09:08 <sofar> and it's not documented
Oct 17 22:09:17 <sofar> and nobody will help you with it, lol
Oct 17 22:09:25 <Bumblebee> I don't want it to coexist with Puppeee on the same SD. I just want other non OS related files there to remain on the SD.
Oct 17 22:09:45 <sofar> copy them off, try meego, copy them back
Oct 17 22:10:11 <Bumblebee> Yeah. I got that ;)
Oct 17 22:10:27 <sofar> hehe sorry, you asked if it was possible, not if it was easy/feasible :)
Oct 17 22:11:48 <Bumblebee> There isn't just a zip file which I can unpack and then run some .BAT file to make it bootable or something like Unetbootin-Windows-494.exe
Oct 17 22:12:38 <sofar> no
Oct 17 22:13:11 <Bumblebee> Puppeee does that ( a batch file) and it is very convenient IMHO.
Oct 17 22:13:51 <CosmoHill> Bumblebee: may I suggest getting a second SD card or backing up the contents first?
Oct 17 22:14:25 <Bumblebee> Do archive apps like WinRar or 7Zip suppirt this IMG format?
Oct 17 22:15:24 <Bumblebee> I am aware of that option CosmoHill. Thanks.
Oct 17 22:15:33 <CosmoHill> :)
Oct 17 22:15:41 <sofar> we can't answer that. please check the winrar etc projects for that information :)
Oct 17 22:15:46 <Bumblebee> OK
Oct 17 22:16:30 <CosmoHill> lcuk: for 28 characters it takes 1:40...so far. It's not finished yet
Oct 17 22:17:23 <Bumblebee> Will this upcoming version 1.1 come as a new installable version or also as an update that will need to be applied to v1.0?
Oct 17 22:17:35 <sofar> 1.0 will remain 1.0
Oct 17 22:17:47 <sofar> there is no support for updating a 1.0 installation to a 1.1 installation
Oct 17 22:18:07 <sofar> - yet
Oct 17 22:18:09 <Bumblebee> So it will be a new complete version?
Oct 17 22:18:19 <CosmoHill> 1.0 was the first core release, 1.1 was the first release with a GUI / UX
Oct 17 22:18:31 <sofar> technically, yes, it's a new complete version
Oct 17 22:18:35 <Bumblebee> OK
Oct 17 22:22:32 * nialaa not easy to understand libmeegotouch
Oct 17 22:23:51 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt
Oct 17 22:24:33 <nialaa> CosmoHill:  :) lol
Oct 17 22:24:34 <Bumblebee> Would there be any reason, stability-wise, for me to not use version 1.1.80.2 but stick to v1.0?
Oct 17 22:24:48 <CosmoHill> (don't laugh, it's a minute old)
Oct 17 22:24:59 <CosmoHill> yes
Oct 17 22:25:24 <CosmoHill> there is a bug in 1.1.80, it's recommended you stick with Meego 1.1 or use 1.1.90
Oct 17 22:28:09 <Bumblebee> I assumed 1.1.80.2 to be the latest. It was linked to earlier by rittk. Where can I find v1.1 or 1.1.90? The site only mentions updates up to 1.0.4
Oct 17 22:30:08 <nialaa> Bumblebee: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/
Oct 17 22:30:43 <rittk> don't mind, its full of bugs anyways
Oct 17 22:31:29 <CosmoHill> Bumblebee: sorry, i might have been thinking of 1.0.80
Oct 17 22:31:35 <rittk> I use 1.1.80.1 and it is exactly as bad as `stable` 1.0
Oct 17 22:32:05 <CosmoHill> anything I should add to the FAQ?
Oct 17 22:32:17 <CosmoHill> this is a draft, I'll put it on the wiki later
Oct 17 22:32:35 <Bumblebee> I don't see a 1.1.90 Was that perhaps a typo and did you mean 1.0.90?
Oct 17 22:32:46 * rittk flashes 1.1.80.2.20101015.1 on the device
Oct 17 22:33:25 <nialaa> CosmoHill: maybe a link to how to make your own meego-live with kickstart
Oct 17 22:34:28 <CosmoHill> do you have the link?
Oct 17 22:34:46 <nialaa> http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners
Oct 17 22:35:50 <CosmoHill> added
Oct 17 22:35:58 <pupnik> ty nialaa
Oct 17 22:36:51 <CosmoHill> I was tempted to make a list of questions where the answer is just "no"
Oct 17 22:37:44 <nialaa> CosmoHill:  ahh ok
Oct 17 22:38:13 <CosmoHill> mid way put "Yes"  "really?" "no"
Oct 17 22:39:30 <nialaa> CosmoHill: can meego do coffee ?
Oct 17 22:39:42 <nialaa> pupnik: ??
Oct 17 22:39:45 <pupnik> heya
Oct 17 22:39:50 <pupnik> i didn't know that link
Oct 17 22:40:18 <nialaa> pupnik: more complete http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation
Oct 17 22:41:58 <CosmoHill> nialaa: I added that too
Oct 17 22:43:15 <rittk> hehe, qt-driven cofee machine was broken all the time at the devdays :)
Oct 17 22:43:35 <nialaa> kickstart is a nice way to have meego-live with good language
Oct 17 22:44:22 <rittk> wifi still doesn't works correctly in the 1.1.80.2 (
Oct 17 22:44:32 <rittk> but the touchscreen does
Oct 17 22:44:53 <CosmoHill> we should have a list of devices on the wiki with tick boxes
Oct 17 22:46:09 <rittk> mediaplayer still works after being closed while playing movie
Oct 17 22:46:50 <CosmoHill> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart
Oct 17 22:46:55 <CosmoHill> a list sort of like that
Oct 17 22:47:10 <CosmoHill> devices along the side, things like wifi along the top
Oct 17 22:48:00 <Bumblebee> A list of supported hardware (audio/video/network chips etc.) would be useful too I think.
Oct 17 22:48:11 <nialaa> CosmoHill: yes with aava, notebook, arm, etc it canbe difficult to now
Oct 17 22:48:40 <CosmoHill> I was thinking more dell mini 9, asus eeepc, samsung n10
Oct 17 22:49:41 <Bumblebee> New models appear very rapidly. Hardware (chips) used in them changes much slower.
Oct 17 22:50:07 <nialaa> http://wiki.meego.com/Devices
Oct 17 22:51:03 <CosmoHill> seems good
Oct 17 22:51:53 <Bumblebee> My HP is a mini-210-1070ED which isn't on the list. But I kind of expect it will work.
Oct 17 22:52:00 <nialaa> Bumblebee: yes notebook are like pentium100 from last century
Oct 17 22:53:07 <CosmoHill> Bumblebee: find out and if it does add it :)
Oct 17 22:53:54 * CosmoHill does weird things with meego
Oct 17 22:57:28 <Bumblebee> Is Broadcom WiFi supported in v1.1.x ? I understand it isn't in 1.0.x. from that devices list in the Wiki.
Oct 17 22:57:30 <nialaa> I have add s101 in devices list
Oct 17 22:59:17 <rittk> doesn't works correctly for me
Oct 17 22:59:23 <nialaa> broadcum you will have some problems http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238
Oct 17 22:59:35 * CosmoHill chokes on his drink
Oct 17 23:00:47 <nialaa> broadcom no broadcum .... woops
Oct 17 23:01:00 <pupnik> freud waves from the grave
Oct 17 23:01:41 <CosmoHill> added that to the FAQ
Oct 17 23:02:08 <rittk_meego> pidgin works here
Oct 17 23:02:10 <nialaa> CosmoHill: what? freud in the faq ?
Oct 17 23:02:16 <CosmoHill> lol no
Oct 17 23:02:23 <CosmoHill> the broadcom thing
Oct 17 23:03:03 <nialaa> I think we need a clear link to the forum on the first page of meego.com
Oct 17 23:03:15 <rittk_meego> I did some simple bash sript that configures wifi via iwconfig + ifconfig + route
Oct 17 23:03:35 <nialaa> forum can be difficult to find for no english people
Oct 17 23:04:18 <rittk_meego> rrrh
Oct 17 23:04:19 <rittk_meego> the sizegrip should be much bigger here
Oct 17 23:05:07 <nialaa> sizegrip ?
Oct 17 23:05:54 <rittk_meego> that thing at the bottom-right corner of window
Oct 17 23:06:27 <nialaa> ok for resizing the windows..
Oct 17 23:06:30 <rittk_meego> that assists in resizing the window with dragging )
Oct 17 23:07:30 * nialaa will sleep less stupid
Oct 17 23:07:45 <Bumblebee> BTW is there something comparable to Prey ( http://preyproject.com/ ) for Linux?
Oct 17 23:09:12 <pupnik> yes
Oct 17 23:09:28 <johnx> ssh + some gps app that runs on the command line
Oct 17 23:09:44 <pupnik> threads over on the t.m.o forums
Oct 17 23:10:02 <johnx> though also, prey seems to say on the *front page* that it's available for linux ...
Oct 17 23:10:53 <CosmoHill> ah
Oct 17 23:11:28 <Bumblebee> Indeed. They hide it a biot though. Just saw the lillr penguin icon.
Oct 17 23:11:45 <johnx> I saw a testimonial scroll by that mentioned it :)
Oct 17 23:12:15 <nialaa1> after 5-6 hours meego live bug :)
Oct 17 23:13:20 <Bumblebee> They say for Mac, PC's and Phone in the page title. Odd they are not more forthcoming about Linux.
Oct 17 23:15:51 <nialaa> Bumblebee: remember me what do you search ?
Oct 17 23:18:13 <Bumblebee> My questions are mostly answered nialaa.
Oct 17 23:18:36 <rittk_meego> quir
Oct 17 23:33:28 <nialaa> ssh -X 192.168.1.10
Oct 17 23:33:33 <nialaa> arf
Oct 17 23:35:38 <CosmoHill> Error: Unable to connect to 192.168.1.10
Oct 17 23:35:52 <nialaa> lol
Oct 17 23:36:43 <nialaa> I must watch more my screen, or nextime I will type password
Oct 17 23:37:00 <CosmoHill> I've done that once so far
Oct 17 23:37:07 <nialaa> CosmoHill: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238 that's a good begin for your faq
Oct 17 23:37:26 <CosmoHill> I'll look into that tomorrow
Oct 17 23:37:53 <nialaa> yes it's late for me, good night, bonne nuit
Oct 17 23:38:13 <CosmoHill> bonne nuit nialaa
Oct 17 23:40:45 <Bumblebee> I'm signing off too. Thanks for the info guys/gals.
Oct 18 00:33:52 <CosmoHill> cyas
Oct 18 01:03:20 <rittk> how to create a rpm from the tarball?
Oct 18 01:03:21 <rittk> I already have a compiled package
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