**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 24 02:59:58 2010 Oct 24 08:39:08 I've built a connman bearer plugin and installed it to the others... Oct 24 08:39:09 now i SEE me wlan in the list of configurations but it still doesn't appears in the "Networks" applet Oct 24 08:39:11 muahaha! Oct 24 08:39:15 stupid meego Oct 24 08:40:37 stupid gtk-based UXes in general Oct 24 09:34:32 Hi! Oct 24 09:35:16 I have a couple of questions about my meego installations Oct 24 09:37:34 so try to ask Oct 24 09:37:37 why is it not possible to sync google calendar with meego, only contacts? Oct 24 09:41:31 Because Meego calendar does not support Google sync yet? =) Oct 24 09:42:22 there isn't any way to use google calendar? Oct 24 09:44:18 meego isn't ready for use yet Oct 24 09:45:48 yeah i know but google is widely used so i thought that was already implemented and i didn't know how to use it Oct 24 09:45:52 ok Oct 24 09:46:01 no gcalendar, no usable media player, no workable network manager/gui, no handy config applets...no stable kernel after all Oct 24 09:46:33 guess, nobody needs gcalendar there for now) Oct 24 09:47:12 hinhin Oct 24 09:47:42 and is it possible to install other apps like netbeans or things like this? Oct 24 09:48:19 #zypper se netbeans Oct 24 09:48:20 No packages found. Oct 24 09:51:51 Erwyn, meego is still under *heavy* development Oct 24 09:52:13 yeah I understand that but i thought it was already "usable" Oct 24 09:53:20 not yet. try again later Oct 24 09:53:24 :P Oct 24 09:54:16 for now its only hangable, crashable and unworkable:P Oct 24 09:54:48 rittk: :) lol ok Oct 24 09:57:08 i'm sad, i realy wanted to use it Oct 24 09:57:42 Erwyn: MeeGo 1.1 Notebook / Netbook gets released next week Oct 24 09:58:03 yeah but will it be usable? Oct 24 09:58:34 nope ) Oct 24 09:58:56 rittk: bad boy :p Oct 24 09:59:17 me? no, I'm good Oct 24 09:59:49 I'll have to reinstall a debian or an archlinux on my netbook .... :( Oct 24 10:00:09 if you fancy a challenge, try vista Oct 24 10:00:24 lol Oct 24 10:00:54 my friends laptop had 1GB, minimum for Vista, 128MB of that was given to the graphics card -.- Oct 24 10:06:20 CosmoHill: Oo yeah a vista good idea!!! Oct 24 10:06:21 ) Oct 24 10:06:22 :) Oct 24 10:06:37 Erwyn, what it is "usable" it depends on each person needs Oct 24 10:06:37 which distribution do you use on your netbooks? Oct 24 10:06:48 I use Meego on my netbook , and it i usable for me now Oct 24 10:06:50 I don't have a netbook ^.^ Oct 24 10:07:53 araujo: yeah, but i would like to sync with gcalendar, i would like to install some apps like netbeans etc... and according to rittk it's going to be quite difficult for me to do this Oct 24 10:08:13 Erwyn, then for your needs, you need to wait bit longer Oct 24 10:09:00 araujo: yes.. Oct 24 10:21:29 ha! netbeans on a netbook Oct 24 10:37:53 CosmoHill: it works :) don't be afraid Oct 24 10:51:15 hello all, Oct 24 10:54:01 bonjour niala Oct 24 10:54:26 how are you today CosmoHill Oct 24 10:54:40 je vais bien, merci Oct 24 10:54:43 et toi? Oct 24 10:55:17 well I see 2 mouse on my touchscreen but It seems that meego do not really use them. Oct 24 10:55:44 CosmoHill: bien merci, il semble que tu fais moins de fautes en français que moi en anglais :) Oct 24 10:56:22 * CosmoHill translates that Oct 24 10:57:19 CosmoHill: Russian earl grey tea is good? I like it but I want to know if it's a traditional english tea lol Oct 24 10:57:20 one of my goals is to learn french Oct 24 10:58:17 CosmoHill: very hard if I believe non french people Oct 24 10:58:38 if I'm honest, I just have PG tips Oct 24 10:58:51 PG ? Oct 24 10:59:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pg_tips Oct 24 10:59:26 I search an app for testing mltitouch-screen on meego.. any idea ? Oct 24 10:59:46 isn't there a paint like app? Oct 24 10:59:59 yes good idea Oct 24 11:01:16 then draw a pair circles on it Oct 24 11:01:45 if things go well you're have two circles close to each other Oct 24 11:01:53 ok install gimp Oct 24 11:01:58 if they go badly you'll have lines going down the middle Oct 24 11:02:01 I will test your tea :) Oct 24 11:03:22 you might like to try "gun powder" tea, I had some of my dad's and it was nice Oct 24 11:03:49 oh water on my cup is evaporated lol Oct 24 11:05:40 gun powder? I will strike people after? lol Oct 24 11:07:05 only if they interrupt you Oct 24 11:14:33 mmmm I m not convinced by gimp Oct 24 11:14:35 reboot Oct 24 11:28:21 dmesg Oct 24 11:29:46 -bash: dmesg: command not found Oct 24 11:31:31 tht's not normal CosmoHill ! Oct 24 11:33:22 /sbin/dmesg Oct 24 11:34:52 * CosmoHill was joking Oct 24 11:35:23 Stskeeps: if you do double / it allows you to start with a / Oct 24 11:35:28 /sbin/bash Oct 24 11:35:34 see :) Oct 24 11:48:12 Anyone in here that have ported an app from android to maemo? Oct 24 11:48:56 try asking in #maemo Oct 24 12:14:56 nokia is stupid, they treat their customers like crap, they have a shit for brains marketing department, and they have no for site of the mobile market. Having been a n n810, and n900 user (ditched them for my nexus one) and dealt with nokia's shit - I hope they stick with meego so I can watch the product totally bomb and hopefully they will lose a lot of money too. serves them right for being ass holes to their customers Oct 24 12:15:04 ok bye bye :D Oct 24 12:54:53 hi, is there a smegool father in chat? Oct 24 12:55:33 Smeegol is made by OpenSuse, not MeeGo. please use their channel for support Oct 24 12:56:14 CosmoHill Thanl you Oct 24 14:40:14 need some help Oct 24 14:40:41 i know tha there is a way to make my fedora looks like meego Oct 24 14:40:51 any one can help? Oct 24 14:41:01 I've been trying to take screenshots of my meego install (to illustrate some issues) and installed imagemagik to get "import". What's the best way to use that to take a screenshot? Doing "sleep 30; import -window root screen.jpg" from a terminal and then opening an app doesn't work right Oct 24 14:42:52 smithna: hello, you have an application in app-panel--->accessories Oct 24 14:44:15 Nope, no accessories section (I'm using the IVI image) Oct 24 14:44:41 what app from there? I could install it from another image Oct 24 14:44:54 ah ok well I don't know sorry Oct 24 14:45:21 np Oct 24 14:46:27 I t's gnome-screenshot on netbook Oct 24 14:46:40 smithna: Oct 24 14:52:07 plop Oct 24 14:52:21 i've just install MeeGo Oct 24 14:52:51 but before i had ubuntu on my netbook with separate home in ext4 Oct 24 14:53:01 and i can't use it Oct 24 14:53:09 someone have a solution ? Oct 24 14:53:22 thanks niala Oct 24 14:53:35 or could help me Oct 24 14:53:44 where as that the same ^^' Oct 24 14:54:41 jocelyn: what do you mean "can't use it"? Oct 24 14:55:30 you must certainly edit extlinux.conf Oct 24 14:55:30 Meego doesn't manage ext4 Oct 24 14:55:41 so in the install i have put no home Oct 24 14:56:02 but i'd like to still use the partition Oct 24 14:56:40 check to see if ext4 support is included in your image -- if so, edit your fstab file to add it in. Oct 24 14:57:22 i've try this page : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1692 Oct 24 14:57:48 but the "insmod fs/jbd2/jbd2.ko Oct 24 14:57:50 insmod fs/ext4/ext4.ko" doesn't exist Oct 24 14:57:57 *ah well ext4 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1692 Oct 24 14:58:05 :/ Oct 24 14:59:29 yummy, build-yer-own-module Oct 24 15:00:05 dm8tbr: ? Oct 24 15:00:48 It looks like netbook doesn't have the module for ext4 support built by default, so you have to build it.... Oct 24 15:01:31 cost a "little" time depends of your hardware Oct 24 15:01:32 well, that's not the purpose of ths topic ? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1692 Oct 24 15:05:22 jocelyn: so if you followed the steps from that forum, you know have a brand new kernel, right? Oct 24 15:12:43 smithna: i think so Oct 24 15:13:58 but, the most simple would be to install an ubuntu, backup my data, and install MeeGo Oct 24 15:14:01 no ? Oct 24 15:14:52 just for booting on buntu? Oct 24 15:15:17 or to mount partition ext4 from meego Oct 24 17:03:22 hi Alison_Chaiken Oct 24 17:03:55 Hi CosmoHill. I'm going to spend an hour hacking and then go for a run in the rain. And I've just signed up for Finnish lessons in Berkeley! Oct 24 17:04:17 oh dear lord...I mean good luck with the lessons Oct 24 17:05:13 Seems like people are always happy if you try to learn just a bit of a completely different language. Who knows, if the Finnish goes well, mebbe I'll even try C++. Oct 24 17:05:34 :) Oct 24 17:05:59 c++ would be easier Oct 24 17:15:30 Anyone else in the SF Bay Area who wants to learn a bit of Finn, ping me, as group lessons are cheaper. Will be in Berkeley, maybe one night a week. Oct 24 17:15:55 To work with Intel, please study x86 assembly instead. Oct 24 17:34:07 Alison_Chaiken, I was in Helsinki recently and had my first real lesson in Finnish - at a local subway Oct 24 17:34:26 my teeth nearly fell out attempting some of the names of the salads! Oct 24 17:34:34 lcuk, how was travelling around Helsinki without Finnish? Oct 24 17:34:35 * lcuk thanks araujo for pushing him Oct 24 17:34:58 easy Oct 24 17:35:01 lcuk, I can point at salads. I just want to be friendly. Learning Finnish should make me smarter. Oct 24 17:35:02 Alison_Chaiken, easier than travelling around other countries/cities Oct 24 17:35:15 most people there speak English to a degree also Oct 24 17:35:43 yes Oct 24 17:35:57 especially in helsinki area Oct 24 17:36:04 * lcuk found the atmosphere great and tried to say kiitos when appropriate Oct 24 17:37:26 finnish is easy. even babies can learn it! :) Oct 24 17:38:16 Jartza, yes, i bet if I had been born in Finland I would be able to speak it also Oct 24 17:38:22 that reminds me ot the page I saw the other day... Oct 24 17:38:38 yep Oct 24 17:40:11 Further I'd pose that trying to learn finnish while living in any of the major cities is bound to fail. Oct 24 17:40:41 I've spent more than a year in Tampere and am not much further than I was when I arrived. Oct 24 17:41:11 dm8tbr, is that due to your lack of motivation? Oct 24 17:41:19 since theres no real need? Oct 24 17:41:44 yes, I can count the cases where a person didn't speak _any_ english on one hand Oct 24 17:42:51 perhaps a word a day calendar would be useful :) Oct 24 17:43:43 it doesn't help either that my GF speaks pretty decent english, but we do manage to train my finncrypt codec once in a while. Oct 24 17:44:34 http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=75700 Oct 24 17:44:35 :) Oct 24 17:44:59 I need to take a longer look at finnish grammar. I'm good with the vocabulary. Oct 24 17:45:29 Also need to get back to reading/listening to news in simple finnish. A very nice service by YLE. Oct 24 17:45:48 I heard a lot of similar stories during my time at Nokia Oct 24 17:46:28 a lot of foreign people working for Nokia like 3 to 5 years, living in finland and no real need to learn finnish :) Oct 24 17:46:39 finnish vodka? does that exist in finland? Oct 24 17:46:49 except when they finally tried to get the nationality Oct 24 17:46:50 * dm8tbr will stay with kossu Oct 24 17:47:06 dm8tbr: finlandia vodka or koskenkorva vodka :) Oct 24 17:47:10 heh, yeah, you have the choice to speak one of 5 languages Oct 24 17:47:22 Jartza: kossu is strictly not a vodka Oct 24 17:47:39 and finlandia is an export product Oct 24 17:47:42 koskenkorvan viina is not, but koskenkorva vodka is :) Oct 24 17:47:55 different product Oct 24 17:47:59 mm, koskenkorva Oct 24 17:48:03 does that sell in significant numbers? Oct 24 17:48:31 * dm8tbr only ever sees number-13 Oct 24 17:48:54 dunno Oct 24 17:49:18 I usually buy "russian standard" :) Oct 24 17:49:35 Jartza: my GF says she doesn't remember ever seeing/trying that ;) Oct 24 17:49:50 oh Oct 24 17:49:51 is that russian brake-fluid? ;) Oct 24 17:50:08 nope. it's a nice vodka. Oct 24 17:51:30 I'd say one of the best. Oct 24 17:51:40 mkay, gotta try that Oct 24 17:51:50 http://www.russianstandard.com/ Oct 24 17:52:08 :D Oct 24 17:52:24 which reminds me that I need to restock Żubrówka Oct 24 17:52:52 just realised: looking at vodka on web-page is actually quite non-rewarding Oct 24 17:58:20 Jartza, new lickscreen technology should improve matters Oct 24 17:58:31 :) Oct 24 17:59:03 meanwhile we're waiting for that, I still prefer the real thing :) Oct 24 18:02:24 to that tune, time to fix me an nice Żubrówka drink with apple juice. Jartza feel free to visit for tasting. ;) Oct 24 18:02:45 hehe, my wife likes that mix too :P Oct 24 18:03:02 dm8tbr: I might be too far :/ Oct 24 18:03:50 if you're in helsinki Oct 24 18:03:53 Jartza: well, next time you visit T:re Oct 24 18:04:15 oh, tampere :) Oct 24 18:04:26 I live in nummi-pusula Oct 24 18:04:55 70km towards turku from helsinki. in the middle of nowhere, that is Oct 24 18:06:55 I do visit tampere from time to time, not sure when next time Oct 24 18:07:11 I'm a travelling trainer Oct 24 18:07:42 Jartza: ah, spent a weekend not too far from there this summer. Oct 24 18:08:16 it's peaceful and quiet in here Oct 24 18:08:47 like most of Finland :) Oct 24 18:09:03 yes :) Oct 24 18:09:11 but even more in here Oct 24 18:09:24 it's just me and deers Oct 24 18:09:26 :D Oct 24 18:09:31 I'd love to settle somewhere in Pohjois-Karjala Oct 24 18:09:42 why there? Oct 24 18:09:51 Spent many a summer around there Oct 24 18:10:30 that would be a bit too far from anything for me Oct 24 18:11:05 this is just fine, it's about an hour to helsinki, two to tampere, one and half to turku :) Oct 24 18:11:05 next to a lake, and then an airplane with pontoons. Oct 24 18:11:20 but still a countryside Oct 24 18:11:38 yes, certainly nicely close to many places Oct 24 18:11:54 and everywhere else you can take a plane from H:ki Oct 24 18:14:51 yes Oct 24 18:14:55 or a trin Oct 24 18:14:58 train Oct 24 19:43:20 'lo Texrat :) Oct 24 19:43:24 heya Oct 24 19:43:30 how's it going? Oct 24 19:43:34 just reinstalled pidgin, setting up accounts Oct 24 19:43:41 working my ass off Oct 24 19:43:43 hehe Oct 24 19:43:50 so much to do for conference, work, etc Oct 24 19:44:00 you? Oct 24 19:44:10 we have meego 1.1 around the corner and already people are rebelling on tmo.. Oct 24 19:44:15 lol Oct 24 19:44:22 and so much fud on twitter Oct 24 19:44:34 tmo is on life support :/ Oct 24 19:44:45 i just want to have 1.1 out of the door so we can start getting 1.2 to a proper platform state Oct 24 19:44:46 Stskeeps: did you honestly not see that coming from trolls.maemo.org? :P Oct 24 19:44:54 ha Oct 24 19:44:57 sure I did Oct 24 19:45:14 and I see a troll here and there at meego now Oct 24 19:45:21 soon a flood... Oct 24 19:45:47 IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo! thread is a blast. Oct 24 19:45:59 Quim suggested I become a meeGo moderator but I'll wait until after conference Oct 24 19:46:06 +1 Oct 24 19:46:06 lol Oct 24 19:46:31 Stskeeps: Life is just full of tragedies, it seems Oct 24 19:46:32 man I can't wait for Dublin, but i have sooo much to do Oct 24 19:46:56 and hey, where is your feedback on my Greeters lightning draft? Oct 24 19:47:01 sheesh Oct 24 19:47:10 Texrat: hrm, i must have commented it in my head then Oct 24 19:47:14 feh Oct 24 19:47:21 Texrat: i work by the UNIX method, if there's no reply, i liked the input Oct 24 19:47:21 a busy place, your head Oct 24 19:47:31 a, ok Oct 24 19:47:37 and i did, thought it was fun :) Oct 24 19:47:47 I guess I work by windows method: silence means crash Oct 24 19:48:08 perhaps we should block access to tmo for Stskeeps, so he can work uninterrupted =p Oct 24 19:48:20 Stskeeps, if there is no reply it expects more input Oct 24 19:48:26 I am liking this new pidgin Oct 24 19:48:41 +1 mikhas Oct 24 19:48:49 lol lcuk Oct 24 19:49:01 i did actually add 127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org for a bit Oct 24 19:49:01 :P Oct 24 19:49:15 I think I recall you saying that stskeeps Oct 24 19:50:26 i think we're really seeing the downside of a device with 'no limits' in what it can do.. Oct 24 19:50:39 people are never satisfied. Oct 24 19:50:45 yes, hard to define Oct 24 19:51:10 should have done an iphone clone, damnit Oct 24 19:51:14 stskeeps, on greeters presentation, did the "or fly to Dublin" slide come off ok? Oct 24 19:51:24 -10000000 mikhas Oct 24 19:51:32 Stskeeps: You are seeing the downside of marketing it as an uberphone Oct 24 19:51:43 mobile computer!!! Oct 24 19:51:53 hahah, good one, RST38h has seen *marketing* for the N900 Oct 24 19:51:55 Texrat: What is N95 then?And N97? Oct 24 19:52:02 über handy! Oct 24 19:52:04 toys Oct 24 19:52:08 Texrat: if described properly, yes Oct 24 19:52:21 bricks? Oct 24 19:52:22 Texrat: Nokia marketing disagrees with your statement on N95/N97 Oct 24 19:52:38 Each of them has been advertized as "the first mobile computer" Oct 24 19:52:44 I have a blog article brewing on the whole mobile computer thing... just pulling it all together Oct 24 19:52:54 feh to Nokia marketing Oct 24 19:52:56 no limits is one thing, having a focused specific user exciteable set of use cases is another ;) Oct 24 19:52:58 they created this mess Oct 24 19:53:18 +1 lcuk Oct 24 19:53:43 Nokia lists features of device, apple simply says "it can do THIS" Oct 24 19:53:54 we know which one works Oct 24 19:54:15 you mean translating geek into english? Oct 24 19:54:26 more or less Oct 24 19:54:37 clear, simple, compelling Oct 24 19:55:01 average user glazes over on epic Nokia feature lists Oct 24 19:55:03 would you prefer 801.11n wireless technology or "super fast wifi" Oct 24 19:55:08 right Oct 24 19:55:12 latter Oct 24 19:55:17 neither CosmoHill Oct 24 19:55:21 and proclaming it as some kind of new innovation none has ever done before ;) Oct 24 19:55:25 lcuk: but it has the word "super" in it Oct 24 19:55:27 "internet everywhere" Oct 24 19:55:28 lcuk = spoiler Oct 24 19:55:49 i dont care the technology Oct 24 19:55:57 lcuk: you mean mobile interweb or HPDSA something or other Oct 24 19:55:58 lcuk he was making a point Oct 24 19:56:02 if it has to light a little fire and send smoke signals Oct 24 19:56:45 i must be able to twit from the bathroom damnit! :P Oct 24 19:56:50 * RST38h notes how tired he has got of discussing various Nokia failures, real andimagined Oct 24 19:56:54 on another note, I was told yesterday Nokia Dallas operation lost 100+ people Oct 24 19:57:06 it's damn near gone Oct 24 19:57:18 :( Oct 24 19:57:20 you should present \ first with geek available, so if we want to find out more we can Oct 24 19:57:30 s/\/English/ Oct 24 19:57:30 CosmoHill meant: you should present English first with geek available, so if we want to find out more we can Oct 24 19:57:34 Just leave the damn company alone to fire another few thousand of its employees and either get back on track or get off the cliff Oct 24 19:57:39 sure CosmoHill: vet with geeks, then aim at users Oct 24 19:58:06 agree with infobot: I like the drilldown approach Oct 24 19:58:17 works best overall Oct 24 19:59:40 you don't want a phone where someone goes "what does that mean? I know, I'll ask Cosmo, he knows a lot about computers" Oct 24 19:59:46 (this happens) Oct 24 20:00:46 small words make it easier to understand and tweet Oct 24 20:01:34 systems support over twitter is always amusing Oct 24 20:01:45 at least with irc you dont have the 140ch limit Oct 24 20:01:47 oh god Oct 24 20:02:50 RST38h, did you manage to get emulib building in qt? Oct 24 21:07:26 bonne serie et b nuit Oct 24 21:07:43 oups sorry Oct 24 21:08:01 good night Oct 24 22:51:46 Hi! Oct 24 22:51:50 Anyone awake here? Oct 24 22:52:52 I installed Moblin (a.k.a Meego) in Virtualbox and as I boot I see the Moblin-logo, but nothing else happens. Oct 24 22:52:58 What's wrong? Oct 24 22:55:46 Moblin != Meego Oct 24 22:56:13 Also Meego requires 3D acceleration which virtualbox is unable to support it :) Oct 24 22:56:52 so comprehensive problem description... Oct 24 22:57:04 Umeaboy, did you do the step of replacing libglx as explained here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox ? Oct 24 22:58:40 It's not installed in a netbook. Oct 24 22:58:47 A desktop. Oct 24 23:00:12 who manages that carrick thing? Oct 24 23:00:34 Umeaboy, uh? Oct 24 23:00:57 Umeaboy, those are the instructions to install meego netbook in a virtual box environment (no matter desktop, laptop, whatever) Oct 24 23:02:16 Okey. Oct 24 23:02:35 gunzip? Why isn'r unrar used? Oct 24 23:03:32 And does it really matter where I download the so.gz-file TO? Oct 24 23:03:34 gzip is free, rar isn't Oct 24 23:03:56 rittk: The Linux-version of unrar is free. ;) Oct 24 23:04:08 I AM running Linux. Oct 24 23:04:23 Umeaboy: right. but how to rar this? Oct 24 23:04:27 Just wanted to see what Meego looked like with my own eyes. Oct 24 23:07:42 gunzip, bzip2 and xz :) Oct 24 23:09:37 try#2: who manages that carrick thing? Oct 24 23:49:46 cyas Oct 25 00:21:24 who here is from the usa Oct 25 00:21:25 they shouldn't be allowed here Oct 25 00:23:25 ? Oct 25 01:20:11 ermmm.. right **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 25 02:59:57 2010