**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 25 02:59:57 2010 Oct 25 04:58:01 Myrtti: thanks for http://blip.tv/file/4275339 Oct 25 08:20:43 Hi, most of meego tutorials are failed to build, how to fix it? Oct 25 08:21:25 foreach, could you narrow it down to specific items and urls perhaps Oct 25 08:21:36 since your single note is not very specific Oct 25 08:21:45 lcuk, sorry, one moment please Oct 25 08:26:29 I installed meego sdk according to this page http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux and then I tried to build this tutorial in QtCreator http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/tutorial.html But building of this tutorial failed with error like "Could not find QApplicationPage::appear(QScene...) method" Oct 25 08:27:51 foreach, QApplicationPage ? that tutorial contains MApplicationPage not QApplicationPage ... Oct 25 08:28:15 kedz, yes, MApplicationPage Oct 25 08:31:22 I also downloaded libmeegotouch source code from http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch and tried to build examples from there, but almost all of these examples are also failed to build Oct 25 08:31:45 who manages the carrick code ? Oct 25 08:31:52 hi all, btw Oct 25 08:36:58 is there an easy way to get the meego image to start in virtualbox? Oct 25 08:37:26 (the netbook image that is) Oct 25 08:38:11 sure, when it first starts to boot up, hit esc+e to edit the kernel load cmd Oct 25 08:38:42 remove the "quiet" keyword, that should give you some kind of terminal even if the bugger otherwise tries to misbehave Oct 25 08:40:28 first I need to get virtualbox to accept the .img file... or convert it to .iso so I can boot the VM from it. Oct 25 08:40:55 running debian on my desktop here Oct 25 08:42:11 didn't it have an .iso to install from? Oct 25 08:42:17 let's check Oct 25 08:43:07 no. just a .img file. (had to dd it to the usb stick to isntall it on my netbook. Oct 25 08:43:27 runs great on the aspire one A110 Oct 25 08:43:52 that's pretty odd, I installed an from an .iso image but can't find the page Oct 25 08:44:55 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox Oct 25 08:45:13 ah, it is an .iso but just with different extension Oct 25 08:45:53 there is on at the opensuse ftp site. Oct 25 08:47:00 ' Oct 25 08:48:08 downloading that one now to check Oct 25 09:02:04 crap... the usual: unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu. (the pc is a core2duo...) Oct 25 09:02:44 works on the netbook that has an atom, is there a way to trick it to believe the VM is a "appropriate" cpu? Oct 25 09:05:08 there we go:) switch off the intel cpu VM stuff, then it came Oct 25 09:24:04 was PAE that had to be enabled for it to boot the kernel. X wont start though... Oct 25 09:26:01 timoph: http://blip.tv/file/4291065 Oct 25 09:26:25 cool Oct 25 09:26:50 just hangs isntead of starting X Oct 25 09:26:59 there probably won't be further recordings, I don't have time for doing them Oct 25 09:27:19 could be something in grub.conf or the x config Oct 25 09:27:57 the installation went fine though... Oct 25 09:33:54 Myrtti: I have a cam available so I could record the next sessions Oct 25 09:35:18 great Oct 25 09:57:40 morning konttori_work \o Oct 25 10:01:54 lcuk, morning Oct 25 10:04:54 konttori_work, at the recent Helsinki meego meetup, there was an overview of QML stuff and there were people from both camps (all qt with qml as binding, or all qml with js for heavy lifting) Oct 25 10:05:14 which side of the fence do you prefer at the moment? Oct 25 10:09:13 hi, Oct 25 10:11:39 Ah, personally, I see that as case by case. I would honestly prefer that we have a good solid story for the all qml approach (plus plugins for some fancy stuff), and yet, I see many benefits in sometimes doing only ui with qml (also in this case+fancy plugins for fancy stuff). Oct 25 10:12:56 lcuk, you should have contacted me when you were here in helsinki. I would have loved to have a chat. Oct 25 10:13:00 yeah konttori_work there was a lovely all qml implementation of a login system, looked very slick Oct 25 10:13:07 But does all-qml approach work at the moment? Oct 25 10:13:25 we were both a bit busy, when I spotted you you were heavy in a meeting Oct 25 10:13:39 I've checked QtQuick/QML thing last week and it seems to be missing a lot of stuff (mostly non-UI-related) Oct 25 10:14:19 Namely, I have been trying to figure out how to 1) capture a video in QML and 2) submit data via HTTP in QML Oct 25 10:14:22 lcuk, oh crap. next time for sure then. Oct 25 10:14:23 yeah RST38h I saw that, its just making sure the API can support the usecases required and think it will come with time Oct 25 10:14:28 absolutely Oct 25 10:14:43 But I suspect that there are way more scenarios like these Oct 25 10:14:44 RST38h, the mobility multimedia api caters for the camera cases. Oct 25 10:14:56 konttori: But is it available from QML? Oct 25 10:14:57 You should be able to pull it from suitable mobility branch already now. Oct 25 10:15:05 yeah Oct 25 10:15:10 konttori_work, it was auto uploading to the youtube live service - direct from an all qml app Oct 25 10:15:11 konttori: Yes, I found the CameraAPI but did not find a way to use it from QML Oct 25 10:15:24 Maybe it all requires a better tutorial then... Oct 25 10:15:24 Hmm... there should be bindings for it in qml. Oct 25 10:15:43 all mobility APIs are to have QML bindings in mobility 1.1 Oct 25 10:16:05 * lcuk likes how mobility is looking :) Oct 25 10:16:17 import Qt 4.7 Oct 25 10:16:17 import Qt.multimedia 1.1 Oct 25 10:16:18 Rectangle { Oct 25 10:16:18 width: 640 Oct 25 10:16:18 height: 480 Oct 25 10:16:19 Camera { anchors.fill: parent } Oct 25 10:16:21 } Oct 25 10:16:28 that should do the trick. Oct 25 10:16:39 konttori_work, but then you need to grab that data, and push to youtube web api Oct 25 10:16:41 (isn't that just plain beautiful?) Oct 25 10:16:46 its not just visualising on screen Oct 25 10:17:31 qgil was asking, because I believe that robot os has something similar Oct 25 10:17:55 For that kind of case, you definitely need to do a qt wrapper that takes care of the streaming to the web. Oct 25 10:18:01 carrick guys: ping Oct 25 10:18:18 I think we'll have the qt4-gstreamer bindings exposed to qml as well pretty soon. Oct 25 10:18:21 yup konttori_work and thats part of the limitation with the current qml api Oct 25 10:18:27 * lcuk nods Oct 25 10:18:37 (dunno the schedule atm), so after that, you might be able to do it all in qml. Oct 25 10:20:02 konttori_work, alterego has also been looking at qml stuff, he has a nice app currently written in qt native and has been digging and investigating and making some nice progress with it, are there any talks at the conference about qml? Oct 25 10:20:39 meego conference you mean? Oct 25 10:20:46 yeah Oct 25 10:21:19 I don't know to be honest. It's completely outside of my radar atm. I'm fully devoted to clearing harmattan. Oct 25 10:21:55 sure thing, i bet someone else here has a map of the talks and can tell us which may be related to watch for Oct 25 10:22:03 I sent an email to you lcuk and marco ballesio Oct 25 10:22:13 (about gst qml bindings) Oct 25 10:22:19 yeah I just giggled a bit Oct 25 10:24:04 did you giggle at me making a separation between harmattan and meego, or what? Oct 25 10:24:36 konttori: Ok, so I add that camera thing, but can I then use it to capture video from the JavaScript? Oct 25 10:28:20 RST38h, I would try to point you to the example if I could find one, but gitorious is misbehaving. Oct 25 10:28:31 konttori_work, at the email arriving Oct 25 10:28:50 ok Oct 25 10:30:35 knotorri: so is harmattan still happening, or been binned while we wait for MeeGo proper? Oct 25 10:32:20 some of you guys going to the conference in dublin in november? Oct 25 10:34:28 Milhouse, happening. Will be called meego, although, debian packaging and 'old' maemo lower levels. Oct 25 10:34:35 so, I'm keeping them separate in my books. Oct 25 10:35:17 on API and ABI level, they should be compatible, so that makes it possible for marketing to call that still meego. Oct 25 10:37:14 Konttori: yep, aware of the "MeeGo" branding on Harmattan/Maemo6 but after the CEO call last week it wasn't clear to me if it had been ditched in favour of a true MeeGo release sometime next year (H2 2011?). Good to hear it's still on track, but will it be this year (as promised long ago) or has it slipped into 2011? Oct 25 10:37:40 (If you can't say - understood) Oct 25 10:39:08 Milhouse, yeah, I really cannot comment to that in absolutely any way. Oct 25 10:43:17 is the an application for maemo/meego that enables voice dialling symbian style? Oct 25 10:50:34 I have to buy a new phone soon, and I haven't found any info about that. Android's voice dialling is no good and I wouldn't like to go symbian anymore. Oct 25 11:02:56 Weasel_: havent had any problem with voice dialling on the iphone. (I know. not exacly opensource or anything resembling that... but it works) Oct 25 11:03:30 the N8 might have some interesting features.. Oct 25 11:10:19 how can I add some widget inherited from QWidget into MApplicationPage? Oct 25 11:10:27 zinit: I wont go iphone because I'm looking for a platform to develop some software for my own specific needs. How iphones voice dialling works? Androids way is: press button on headset, say command "call contact name", verify selection with tap on touchscreen. Symbian way is: press button on headse, say "contact name", phone answers with text to speech repeating contact name and calls contact if not cancelled with headset button Oct 25 11:12:59 Symbian way is very good as I have my hands occupied most of the time when I operate various machinery and I don't have to take the phone out of my pocket Oct 25 11:29:37 ls Oct 25 11:29:42 ops Oct 25 11:29:59 :D Oct 25 11:30:10 total 151832 Oct 25 11:30:10 dr-xr-x---. 24 root root 4096 Oct 24 23:04 . Oct 25 11:30:10 dr-xr-xr-x. 25 root root 4096 Oct 25 03:03 .. Oct 25 11:30:44 cd ~ Oct 25 11:46:32 RST38h: you know you helped me with the seed problem I was having Oct 25 11:46:38 turns out clock() returns zero :/ Oct 25 11:47:17 Yeah??? Oct 25 11:47:22 oh crap is that the time Oct 25 11:48:05 infobot, haveameegomeeting is book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html Oct 25 11:48:06 Stskeeps: okay Oct 25 11:48:10 ~haveameegomeeting Oct 25 11:48:10 somebody said haveameegomeeting was book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html Oct 25 11:52:02 <_davidx_> Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Oct 25 11:52:32 .. sorry, i failed to parse that sentence? Oct 25 11:52:51 <_davidx_> okay.. Oct 25 11:52:53 <_davidx_> ima leave now >_< Oct 25 11:55:09 I did zypper refresh and zypper update. the problem is that now when I lunching sdk it shows only black screen. can I do something with this? Oct 25 12:03:16 it's buggy Oct 25 12:03:23 at least Qr wise Oct 25 12:03:27 Qt even Oct 25 12:03:39 modest has zoom using volume keys Oct 25 12:03:53 err, wrong channel, sorry :/ Oct 25 12:09:42 konttori_work, does QML have automagic binding support (even automatic regeneration via introspection), or does it require specific manual code bindings to be created for each class? Oct 25 12:22:11 lcuk, read: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qtbinding.html Oct 25 12:22:30 thanks konttori_work \o Oct 25 12:23:37 and for plugins: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeextensionplugin.html Oct 25 12:33:38 :D:D Oct 25 12:56:03 hi, does anyone know how to calibrate evdev Oct 25 12:57:05 how to calibrate input driver ? Oct 25 13:00:53 btw, will meego still cache an application database on the device like maemo or will it use a fast online index like android/iphone? Oct 25 13:05:19 Hi , I want to install gtk for meego ..what pkg name to be given to KS file [using mic ] Oct 25 13:24:42 hmm, aava mobile platform seems interesting. I guess device is not available anywhere... Oct 25 13:37:34 Weasel_: it is available, but the price - when I checked the last time - was in the realm of "interplanetary" Oct 25 13:59:01 Myrtti: ok, thanks for the info Oct 25 14:00:55 helo folks Oct 25 14:01:17 meego wil be realy release in 3 days ? Oct 25 14:01:46 sfrique, don't expect a final product. Oct 25 14:02:06 GAN900, i am not espectinf that Oct 25 14:02:26 GAN900, but will be an useable one ? Oct 25 14:02:40 * GAN900 guesses not. Oct 25 14:02:49 Although that's partially UX dependent. Oct 25 14:03:44 i bought my N900 just becasue of meego hahah Oct 25 14:07:21 anyways, nokias says meego just in 2011 =/ Oct 25 14:08:48 this is meego.com :) Oct 25 14:09:14 sfrique, MeeGo != MeeGo Oct 25 14:10:42 one meego will be official one and another meego will be the one hackers shall play with? Oct 25 14:11:01 meego.com delivers a platform, vendors build upon it Oct 25 14:11:51 sounds awfully lot like how the game was supposed to be played with symbian Oct 25 14:13:30 i am waiting for meego.com but even them don't give much information Oct 25 14:13:50 hhurtta: device vendors take meego from meego.com and build a device with it Oct 25 14:14:24 has anyone packaged an app for the version of meego on the wetab yet? Oct 25 15:15:57 's! Oct 25 15:43:20 http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ubuntu-moves-away-gnome Oct 25 15:46:28 so who's running meego on their n900? Oct 25 15:48:08 I've chrooted to meego, but nothing more. Oct 25 16:09:59 ping harryF Oct 25 16:21:54 alright weekend is over Oct 25 16:22:05 we had a weekend? Oct 25 16:45:10 I wish it were weekend still Oct 25 16:52:34 meego on this beagleboard http://www.newswise.com/articles/beagle-supercomputer-has-landed-in-chicago ? Oct 25 17:46:31 Reading the Ubuntu Unity news. Does anybody know how much do they rely on Clutter? Oct 25 17:47:51 they claim 'mutter' is involved, so i would guess quite.. Oct 25 17:49:22 ah, yes, it's clutter built Oct 25 17:51:06 And who are the Clutter maintainers nowdays? All Intel employees or more? I mean, Canonical is risking quite a lot with this jump Oct 25 17:51:43 did we find out where matthew allum got hired? :P Oct 25 17:51:54 also the new unity is worse then the 10.04 launcher Oct 25 17:52:04 Now Clutter is an essential piece in GNOME Shell (but it's unclear who will ship it), Ubuntu soon (that means plenty of users) and MeeGo Netbook (no idea about volumes planned and long term plans) Oct 25 17:53:10 this, and the blog from Matt about Qt in Ubuntu sounds like a puzzle I'm still not deciphering Oct 25 17:54:11 GTK+ development isn't always sexy.. Oct 25 17:54:30 with a push on Netbook UX community development and the MeeGo Extras finally taking off, I could see a bright futore for MeeGo not only ion netbooks but also in bigger screens Oct 25 17:54:46 DocScrutinizer: hi. :) Oct 25 17:55:13 So - and I'm sorry if this is a FAQ but I can't really find an answer - how do I test out meego on the N900? Oct 25 17:55:15 qgil: did you see my msgs? Oct 25 17:55:31 oops Oct 25 17:57:46 meego netbook ux is better then unity even now, unity loses lots of screen space for the static panel Oct 25 17:58:20 static? -- you can at least customize its contents for all I know. Oct 25 17:58:51 mihero: but that won't move the Ubuntu users to MeeGo Netbook, and I guess they can made that pannel hide just like the top pannel hides in MeeGo Oct 25 18:00:26 no, it doesn't autohide, that is the problem Oct 25 18:02:56 I liked the old launcher they had on 10.04 much more Oct 25 18:03:55 mihero, thats of course an difference for touchscreen ux - you cant really "hover" in the right place to allow a panel to popup Oct 25 18:04:06 when you have a 10" display you don't want to waste 1" from left side to launcher panel Oct 25 18:04:09 if you want an expanding/autohide panel it always costs you a swipe Oct 25 18:04:21 that's true Oct 25 18:04:30 and for 10" i would not really worry about 1" Oct 25 18:05:41 I worry:) Oct 25 18:06:13 that's why i changed back to normal desktop and modified it with couple of useful applets Oct 25 18:06:35 sure Oct 25 18:06:43 but for the meego netbook edition it is much more usable for non touch netbook Oct 25 18:08:26 haven't tested it with touchscreen so can't comment how usable it is that way Oct 25 18:08:53 completely different use profile, even windows feels wrong on touchscreens ;) Oct 25 18:09:00 hey lcuk and Alison_Chaiken Oct 25 18:09:12 windows 7 X in top right on an upright monitor is hardwork Oct 25 18:09:16 Hey CosmoHill and lcuk too. Oct 25 18:09:23 gorilla arm :P Oct 25 18:09:27 hi CosmoHill and Alison_Chaiken Oct 25 18:09:50 You guys going to be at the Conference in Dublin? Oct 25 18:09:55 I've learnt a little about optimisation today :) Oct 25 18:09:58 nope Oct 25 18:10:12 potentially Oct 25 18:10:24 CosmoHill, yeah what did you learn? Oct 25 18:10:57 well I had a bit of code that requires a huge ammount of work so he changed some ints to chars and used registers Oct 25 18:11:14 other than that he didn't change my code to much Oct 25 18:11:23 memory writes with chars is a bit off Oct 25 18:11:36 unaligned accesses makes cpus cry still Oct 25 18:11:38 oh and because we changed ints to chars we removed type casts which incure an overhead (I didn't know this) Oct 25 18:11:51 chars are used for numbers Oct 25 18:11:51 I didn't really get an answer... is there a link or anything to a page where there's info on how to test meego on my N900? Oct 25 18:12:17 toresbe: there are a few things on the wiki about installing on the n900 Oct 25 18:12:20 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Oct 25 18:12:24 one of them should be how to boot from the memory card Oct 25 18:12:46 Ah! There! Oct 25 18:12:50 lcuk: thanks :) Oct 25 18:13:16 CosmoHill: usually, blindlessly changing ints to chars is not an "Optimization", unless you want to trigger some specific compiler optimization Oct 25 18:13:26 (there's a reason fastint_t is an int...) Oct 25 18:13:53 the fact you adjusted code to see and found improvement is the best part :) Oct 25 18:14:44 :) Oct 25 18:18:15 javispedro: only small numbers were changed Oct 25 18:18:34 IE less than 255 (unsigned) or 128 Oct 25 18:19:24 CosmoHill: but, depending on your platform, writing a full int might not be any slower than writing a char. Oct 25 18:19:41 CosmoHill: either way, as luck put, the best way is to try and measure it :) Oct 25 18:21:28 from a speed point of view it should be identical (apart form the bit with the casting) Oct 25 18:21:37 but from a memory point of view it is an improvement Oct 25 18:24:32 lcuk: hm, does it positively require a USB cable? Is there no other way to load the kernel? :\ Oct 25 18:24:36 ... anyway, being Intel currently the main Clutter maintainer and being Nokia currently the main Qt maintainer I think MeeGo has odds to score well vs Ubuntu in the short and mid terms Oct 25 18:25:22 ... but the MeeGo Extras is key in the short term, and the AppUp/Ovi/etc can make a real difference Oct 25 18:27:40 toresbe, theres more indepth dualboot stuff being hacked around with and documented atm but its considered a taster only and since the OS is not functionally complete at the moment its enough for most folks. by all means dig more and find the extra info Oct 25 18:28:05 I just don't have the USB cable, is all :) Oct 25 18:28:39 hold on, i have a spare, i will email it to you Oct 25 18:28:47 Ah, excellent! Oct 25 18:28:58 O.o Oct 25 18:29:01 hahahaha Oct 25 18:29:03 How's the postage when emailing something of that size? Oct 25 18:31:30 qgil, the pr1.3 update today adding qt4.7 support should allow many more compatible qt based apps to be available on ovi for n900 Oct 25 18:31:54 have you heard of any titles in development we might see on our n900s? :D Oct 25 18:34:24 hi lcuk - yes I know :) Oct 25 18:35:17 lcuk: I mean "yes, I know" ref "the pr1.3 update today adding qt4.7 support should allow many more compatible qt based apps to be available on ovi for n900" Oct 25 18:35:23 no idea about your second comment Oct 25 18:38:11 qgil, I saw revdkathy over the weekend and we had a good laugh at the BCN weekend we all had. the meego summit early birds stuff looks like an excellent followup Oct 25 18:41:37 lcuk: I looked into using "bootmenu", and came across this page - http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot#Bootmenu_.28optional.29 Oct 25 18:41:50 but - where do I put the kernel and what do I name it? :) Oct 25 18:42:45 toresbe, IDK, I did not write that documentation Oct 25 18:49:42 I just learned from lazy twitter that Ubuntu unity will move from Clutter to Compiz - interesting http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/a-bright-new-future-for-compiz/ Oct 25 18:51:39 hi, i am trying to install meego on sd card and boot it on n900. I proceeds according to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC , but I can see only kernel panic while booting Oct 25 18:52:01 there was a bad image that didn't boot Oct 25 18:52:03 try another image Oct 25 18:52:19 I suppose, that problem is that kernel cannot work with btrfs (used on mmc) Oct 25 18:52:46 i have already tried two images. Could you point me to any working image? Oct 25 18:52:48 I've always impressed by Ubuntu's long use of Compiz Oct 25 18:56:53 javispedro: in a good way? Oct 25 18:57:59 yeah, but -- mostly, just surprised. Oct 25 18:58:19 it's not like any other distro uses it? Oct 25 18:59:52 javispedro: SuSE? Oct 25 19:00:08 I guess Novell is investing i Xgl and Compiz for a reason Oct 25 19:00:43 btw Novell is another interesting piece in the MeeGo and Ubuntu puzzles Oct 25 19:01:07 compiz always looked like a science experiment to me Oct 25 19:01:17 but the 0.9 version seems to be the first one where they tried to be "real" Oct 25 19:01:23 we'll see where it lands Oct 25 19:01:38 so far I'm not very impressed by many of the compositors; they all seem to have too much perf overhead Oct 25 19:01:50 mutter being the one where we spent most time optimizing from any of them I think Oct 25 19:01:57 arjan: exactly that same feeling, but it's made it into the default into [-one-] two distros Oct 25 19:02:15 (re compiz as science experiment) Oct 25 19:03:25 hi arjan this morning I wish I could get a glimpse of MeeGo Netbook UX and Ubuntu in 2 years time ;) Oct 25 19:04:11 meego netbook UX implemented with qt quick will be interesting Oct 25 19:04:15 fully touch enabled etc etc Oct 25 19:04:24 there's plans to try that out? Oct 25 19:06:57 Stskeeps: where's the FAQ response to "can I dual boot MeeGo now I have 1.3" ? Oct 25 19:07:18 lbt: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt Oct 25 19:07:20 that one? Oct 25 19:07:27 lbt: "MeeGo 1.3 is out?" Oct 25 19:07:28 ;) Oct 25 19:07:53 :P Oct 25 19:07:55 after using MeeGo Netbook for work in a twentysomething monitor I really wonder what is the big deal between a Handet UX augmented, a tablet UX and a netbook/laptop ux - honestly Oct 25 19:07:59 "Where can I download MeeGO 1.3 warez???" Oct 25 19:08:39 RST38h: pirate bay? Oct 25 19:10:07 Cosmo: Yeaaah Oct 25 19:13:19 Hm. So I followed the online instructions refering to meego and multiboot, but it just powers off in the multiboot menu when I select it.. Any hints for me..? Oct 25 19:13:49 those instructions explictly says 'under construction', don't they/ Oct 25 19:13:50 ? Oct 25 19:14:00 they do Oct 25 19:14:06 well, there's your cause Oct 25 19:14:07 :P Oct 25 19:14:22 that's about a useful as a bucket of sand in the desert Oct 25 19:14:41 i know, that's why i'm working on the actual solution :) Oct 25 19:15:58 Do you know anything about what causes it? Non-existant kernel file? I'm not sure where it finds it. Oct 25 19:17:58 It looks a bit as if the loader assumes the FS is ext3, but that does not seem to be the case. Oct 25 19:34:36 And that is because it is indeed not the case; it seems to use something called "btrfs", which makes me wonder how the heck I'm going to get it booted. Oct 25 19:46:06 toresbe: basically those instructions are old and we're not using kexec anymore. Oct 25 19:47:50 Stskeeps: OK, I see - what should I be researching instead? Oct 25 19:48:16 toresbe: track our work in #meego-arm - we're basically going to have a u-boot based solution Oct 25 19:48:52 _will_ have? So at the moment it's not possible to boot the meego kernel without a USB cable? :\ Oct 25 19:49:09 it is possible, but you won't get very far Oct 25 19:49:20 we've had successful boots with u-boot. Oct 25 19:49:42 Well, the kernel booting is always a good sign :) Oct 25 19:50:16 not until display driver starts acting up Oct 25 19:50:16 :P Oct 25 19:50:17 Stskeeps: btw, do you have any stuff documenting the kexec issues that were found? I'd want to use it not necessarily for Meego. Oct 25 19:50:22 It is quite literally a start. Thanks for that pointer. I'll rtfm up on this uboot thingie. Oct 25 19:50:36 javispedro: display driver doesn't like re-entry Oct 25 19:50:58 It's all just a little bit of init code repeating *sings* Oct 25 19:51:09 javispedro: what do you intend to use? Oct 25 19:51:12 Stskeeps: it's a Linux driver initialization thing? Oct 25 19:51:16 javispedro: basically Oct 25 19:51:24 Stskeeps: homebrew stuff, not necessarily Linux even Oct 25 19:51:30 javispedro: use u-boot then Oct 25 19:51:34 Oh goodie! I just got display corruption after a cold boot! Oct 25 19:51:46 purdy purdy triangles. Oct 25 19:51:48 it can technically even boot symbian ;p Oct 25 19:51:58 Stskeeps: I prefer to check the environment before booting Oct 25 19:52:07 hm? Oct 25 19:52:08 :P Oct 25 19:53:14 I mean, I'm going to research mostly -- so I might want to run stuff before kexec()ing Oct 25 19:53:19 ah, ok Oct 25 19:53:37 u-boot has boot scripts but i guess they're not that interesting Oct 25 19:54:43 Stskeeps: so I run the vmlinuz image through mkimage, and then boot that as if it was a vmlinuz image? Oct 25 19:55:25 http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/ Oct 25 19:56:58 Stskeeps: so the file resulting from this procedure can be fed to multiboot? Oct 25 19:57:56 so, basically, the u-boot.bin that is there, gets combined with the maemo zimage and you flash it to your kernel area Oct 25 19:58:17 at bootup, u-boot looks for kernel named uImage on microsd partition 3 (vfat partition) Oct 25 19:58:30 if it doesn't find it, or a bootscript on partition 1 (vfat), it boots maemo kernel Oct 25 20:00:41 Cool! But this still involves patching the maemo kernel, that is to say - I still need a USB cable? Or can I feed uImage to multiboot as a vmlinuz image? Oct 25 20:02:45 Riiight. I think I understand. The clever bit you're doing is making u-boot a third-stage-but-regressing-to-first-stage bootloader? Oct 25 20:04:33 So I turn the meego kernel into a uImage, I prepend the u-boot.bin to it, and then load it in multiboot. Oct 25 20:05:30 it doesn't involve patching maemo kernel :) Oct 25 20:05:46 toresbe: NOLO loads u-boot from kernel area - u-boot has a built-in zimage that it defaults to Oct 25 20:05:49 but let's talk in #meego-arm Oct 25 20:05:56 OK, thanks :) Oct 25 20:14:15 http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/67880 < if i want to port a lib to meego, should I use Handset image from http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux ? Oct 25 20:15:24 i am on ubuntu. Oct 25 20:33:36 Is there a flights page on the wiki yet? Oct 25 21:13:07 I'm running opensuse 11.3 on my x86_64 desktop. I want to be able to develop an application for meego handset. I want to be able to test it in some sort of virtual environment (qemu or whatever). I don't want to be relient on Qt Creator (ideally I'd like to use standard CMake). Can anyone help with what I need to download and what my first steps should be? Thanks very much. Oct 25 21:13:40 I've tried adding the http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/tools:/sdk:/host/openSUSE_11.3/devel:tools:sdk:host.repo repo and installing the packages but they don't seem to include anything useful (i.e. no usable qmake) Oct 25 21:37:40 milliams: hello, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Development_Options Oct 25 21:39:00 niala: Hi, so I should install the files manually somewhere rather than rely on the the packages to instal things for me? Oct 25 21:39:09 (as detailed at http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux) Oct 25 21:39:45 lbt, Stskeeps, any obs gods - obs accounts, myself and araujo need accounts, can you hook us up please. Oct 25 21:43:25 lcuk: on meego.com? Oct 25 21:44:44 lbt, hm so that we can create a local OSC obs instance Oct 25 21:45:03 this question may have already been answered somewhere, but what happens to Meego-Harmattan since the official Meego from Nokia has been pushed back to 2011? Oct 25 21:45:47 bdogg64: huh? no changes. Oct 25 21:45:47 lcuk: hmmm Oct 25 21:46:40 lcuk: ask anaZ who will probably say no Oct 25 21:47:00 in which case you can do it via the community OBS very very soon Oct 25 21:47:03 so the Meego from Nokia thats coming in 2011 is Harmattan? Oct 25 21:47:05 hm? why no? Oct 25 21:47:10 bdogg64: yes Oct 25 21:47:25 lcuk: do you have commit rights to a meego package? Oct 25 21:48:00 I think that is pretty much the criteria for getting an account there Oct 25 21:48:04 lbt, as required i can, but its likely to include additional packages Oct 25 21:48:17 if I have to I will get some, libmeegotouch ok? Oct 25 21:48:28 ok, so instead of it being a transitional release, it will be the full blown rpm based Meego release, just so I'm clear Oct 25 21:48:42 bdogg64: harmattan is still deb based Oct 25 21:48:47 lcuk: in that case I'd expect you to have it already :) Oct 25 21:49:13 lcuk: if you find out what the actual rules are then please educate me ;) Oct 25 21:50:01 ok lbt, will sleep on it and have a discussion tomorrow with a few ppl Oct 25 21:50:23 I'd expect to find the answe here: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure Oct 25 21:50:33 ok, thx Oct 25 21:50:35 this cobs talks? Oct 25 21:50:59 lcuk: I think the generic answer will be community... Oct 25 21:51:32 lbt - its for neither public meego.com packages, nor community oss packages though - and in previous discussions the only way to do that is with the OSC local instance Oct 25 21:51:44 which requires an obs account Oct 25 21:52:42 short of hackery... osc will only do local builds of packages on the OBS server Oct 25 21:52:43 anyway, gnite all \o Oct 25 21:52:59 talk to me tomorrow :) Oct 25 21:53:04 g'night Oct 25 21:53:06 k, gnite Oct 25 22:28:54 hi. any up to date information of how to "easily" dual boot meego on n900? Oct 25 22:30:47 no update yet, I think more information will come out once 1.1 comes out, hopefully on the 27th Oct 25 22:31:13 cool. thank you bdogg64 :). Oct 25 22:31:33 np Oct 25 23:01:00 do I need to repartition after dd the raw ? Oct 25 23:01:26 the raw was 1.9gb, the microsd is 16gb Oct 25 23:01:44 so the partition table in the raw won't match the actual size? Oct 25 23:02:45 it's impossible to guess the size of the device up front Oct 25 23:02:49 so, it will never match Oct 25 23:04:32 Is there a way to upgrade an installed meego system via an image? Oct 25 23:05:15 hey auke Oct 25 23:07:57 auke, means i should repartition the second partition right? Oct 25 23:08:39 should I do that before i put microsd back in n900 if I didn't know cfdisk well Oct 25 23:09:23 smithna: no, not supported at this time Oct 25 23:09:57 oshin: with the proper caution, that is possible Oct 25 23:10:47 auke, is it unnecessary ? but I'll just waste some sp Oct 25 23:10:52 auke, n/m thanks. Oct 25 23:10:58 auke: Thanks Oct 25 23:11:09 well, with btrfs it's not that much of a problem Oct 25 23:11:16 use parted to grow the partition Oct 25 23:11:37 then use btrfsctl to resize the filesystem to max (can even be done after booting the fs) Oct 25 23:12:27 i cat /proc/partitions on n900 179 8 31264768 mmcblk1 Oct 25 23:12:53 15663104 on mmcblk0 Oct 25 23:13:22 n/m I am confused Oct 25 23:13:43 * smithna wonders if everyone installs a new image everytime they want to test updates out... Oct 25 23:14:06 my mmcblk1 is 32gb? wasn't that the built-in drive? Oct 25 23:14:20 that's 32gb, my microsd is 16gb Oct 25 23:14:46 n/m I will try to remove and figure out.. Oct 25 23:16:05 strange.. i remove the microsd and when i cat /proc/partitions i only see mmcblk1 Oct 25 23:16:18 while mount says /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs Oct 25 23:16:21 is that strange? Oct 25 23:18:24 is it safe to continue? Oct 25 23:19:29 no comment. I'm not helping you wipe your data :) Oct 25 23:19:50 auke, :) Oct 25 23:20:20 auke, i dd on microsd, should I be able to mount that image? Oct 25 23:20:47 yes, you will have to remove the sd card and re-insert it after dd-ing it Oct 25 23:21:28 auke, I can mount it on my pc but not on n900 Oct 25 23:21:39 i guess i need to specify a file system? Oct 25 23:21:54 btrfs? Oct 25 23:22:10 depends on what is currently running on the n900 Oct 25 23:22:16 auke, maemo Oct 25 23:22:25 that doesn't have btrfs support I think Oct 25 23:22:30 I see, thanks. Oct 25 23:22:31 cat /proc/filesystems Oct 25 23:22:44 not there, thanks. Oct 25 23:23:01 cat /proc/partitions doesn't seem to match the actual device btw. Oct 25 23:23:03 strange.. Oct 25 23:27:02 what does flash jig mean? Oct 25 23:27:11 flashing jig Oct 25 23:38:46 I have no idea Oct 25 23:38:52 thingamajig? Oct 25 23:41:30 the thingamajig that connects to the whatsit via the dodar? Oct 25 23:41:52 no idea.. Oct 25 23:41:58 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Oct 25 23:42:04 just beware of thing two and thing one! Oct 25 23:42:14 you would not get very far! Oct 25 23:42:29 ok, thanks Oct 26 00:18:38 cyas Oct 26 02:41:51 anyone has tested latest SDK image? Oct 26 02:41:55 for handsets ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 26 03:00:09 2010