**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 28 02:59:57 2010 Oct 28 04:01:59 Any women looking to share a hotel room at the MeeGo Conference in Dublin? Oct 28 06:15:08 DawnFoster: ping. Are you around? Oct 28 07:16:50 Morning all ! Oct 28 07:17:07 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ <<<- is it real ? Oct 28 07:17:11 i:) Oct 28 07:17:52 oh snap Oct 28 07:17:54 it's brand new Oct 28 07:18:17 i'll find out after work if it's real Oct 28 07:18:30 :) Oct 28 07:41:30 back from vacation now, reading that Meego can be installed on N900, someone tested it? Oct 28 07:51:48 linuxcentos: i've tested one of the builds, 1.1.80.3.20101022.1 Oct 28 07:51:54 but 1.1 is in the release directory now Oct 28 07:52:13 so right now i'm writing the btrfs raw image to SD card through ssh at home. but i won't be able to flash the kernel image until after work Oct 28 07:52:18 because my n900 is at home Oct 28 07:52:33 the build i tested did not work well at all. Oct 28 07:52:47 got a black linux boot screen, had to shine a flashlight on it just to see the errors. Oct 28 07:53:10 i see Oct 28 07:55:58 nocturnal: you are using dd to write to sd card? Oct 28 07:58:53 linuxcentos: yes Oct 28 07:59:02 mm Oct 28 07:59:38 so when the fs is on sd card, what's next? Oct 28 07:59:43 btrfs Oct 28 07:59:48 oh Oct 28 07:59:49 mm Oct 28 08:00:01 well i'm forced to recompile my debian kernel with btrfs support just to see if it worked Oct 28 08:00:06 to be able to mount the file system from the sd card Oct 28 08:00:11 i guess i'll do this until i get home Oct 28 08:00:20 because i just got to work and someone in here on irc just told me about the 1.1 image Oct 28 08:00:31 so until i get home and can flash the n900 i can use the time to check the sd card Oct 28 08:00:32 oky Oct 28 08:00:35 just use fdisk -l? if partition table is ok, everything else probably works too Oct 28 08:01:04 you will have to install boot loader and kernel to phone's ROM? Oct 28 08:01:10 jarkkom: fdisk -l shows Linux as file system and it shows everything working fine. yet i've not managed to install meego as of yet using the builds so this time i feel like i want to actually see the file system. Oct 28 08:01:17 and if i'm to play with meego i might as well have btrfs support Oct 28 08:01:19 it won't hurt Oct 28 08:42:28 Any plans for a standard image file for the nokia N900 ? Oct 28 08:42:35 define standard image file Oct 28 08:42:56 One that we dont have to build via a kick start file Oct 28 08:43:06 uhm.. Oct 28 08:43:06 :P Oct 28 08:43:11 we have those? Oct 28 08:43:15 -raw and vmlinuz Oct 28 08:43:39 morning all Oct 28 08:45:49 stskeeps, I'm not sure what your answer was Oct 28 08:46:04 and a lack of sleep is not helping the situation Oct 28 08:46:15 let's talk later then :) Oct 28 08:46:16 morning Oct 28 08:46:47 Well unfortuanetly I posted that the N900 version was out and didn't look at the image format. Oct 28 08:46:56 it is out, and not just a .ks afaik Oct 28 08:47:33 .ks is there in case you ever want to recreate image or add to it Oct 28 08:50:33 it's out .. just gonna wait for the announcement and instructions >.< Oct 28 08:50:41 I'm missing something here. How would average user flash that then ? Oct 28 08:50:55 wondering if class 4 vs class 6 mircosd makes a big difference on my n900 for meego.. Oct 28 08:51:02 microsd* Oct 28 08:51:04 MeeGoExperts, with the n900 flashing instructions Oct 28 08:51:10 MeeGoExperts: OK, so, the person bunzip2 the mmc image and then write it to a microsd card Oct 28 08:51:34 then you grab flasher and load the vmlinuz Oct 28 08:52:22 so we still need to do it the old way? with the flasher and the N900 connected to the computer? not like the recent video? Oct 28 08:52:36 Jucato: we're still working on getting a nice easy solution for people doing it like that Oct 28 08:52:53 cool :) Oct 28 08:53:08 I just thought it was part of the PR 1.3 goodies :) Oct 28 08:53:33 Stskeeps: not just copie the kernel to / and kexec it? Oct 28 08:54:03 Jucato: long story short: our kernel has difficulties on warm boot like that Oct 28 08:54:19 the original idea was kexec but u-boot is obviously a much beter olution Oct 28 08:54:31 better solution Oct 28 08:54:43 Thanks guys. Was hoping for an easier end user method. Oct 28 08:55:02 Stskeeps: ah so until that "easy solution", the process is basically the same as in pre-PR 1.2? Oct 28 08:55:03 MeeGoExperts: it will be: install a package from extras-devel, that enables the u-boot Oct 28 08:55:08 er pre-PR 1.3 Oct 28 08:55:18 MeeGoExperts: uboot is the easier end-user solution I guess Oct 28 08:55:29 MeeGoExperts: then we'll be providing dualboot suitable 1.1 images and when they're popped in, it boots from sd Oct 28 08:57:13 Still downloading yet. Oct 28 08:58:43 So this will only boot via the SD card and not permanently flash the phone ? Oct 28 08:59:11 yes, we stick with non-destructive installs if you follow our instructions Oct 28 08:59:34 so http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot ? Oct 28 08:59:42 /MMC, /Dual_Boot is outdated Oct 28 08:59:47 and just marked a such Oct 28 08:59:54 oohkay :) Oct 28 09:00:32 i'll probably wait for some kind of solution for that remove-sdcard-whenever-booting-to-maemo thing Oct 28 09:01:13 ideal would be not having to remove/re-insert the sd card every time. but beggars can't be choosers so I'll just wait :) Oct 28 09:01:24 Jucato: there'll be possibility to customize it Oct 28 09:01:39 Thanks guys. I PRESUMED it would be a "destructive install" …. Oct 28 09:02:02 MeeGoExperts: heh I presumed it would be magic brought about by PR 1.3 :D Oct 28 09:02:25 Stskeeps: cool. how about the possibility of simply using a partition of an SD card instead of overwriting the whole card? Oct 28 09:02:45 Jucato: if you know how to rsync stuff yourself.. Oct 28 09:02:56 Jucato: if you want to customize it, you get the pain to do it yoursf :P Oct 28 09:03:20 haha Oct 28 09:04:07 Stskeeps: what is the latest build you recommend then? the weekly build? Oct 28 09:04:10 1.1 Oct 28 09:04:10 :P Oct 28 09:04:13 so which is the link to the not-outdated (but obviously not yet updated for MeeGo 1.1) instructions? Oct 28 09:04:13 not 1.1.80 Oct 28 09:04:20 Jucato: /MMC is accurate Oct 28 09:04:24 oh didn't see that Oct 28 09:04:48 Stskeeps: ah ok. I misinterpreted that as /MMC and /Dual_Boot are both outdated :) Oct 28 09:05:44 Stskeeps: was looking at builds not releases... so what is the problem with "warm" booting the kernel then? Oct 28 09:05:55 chem|st: the problem is that mmc and display driver doesn't like re-entry Oct 28 09:06:10 ok so essentials ;) Oct 28 09:17:52 Stskeeps: for http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC no need for u-boot yet right? then I download the *.raw.bz2 to dd to the SD card, then the *.vmlinuz to use with the flasher? Oct 28 09:18:23 Jucato: no need for uboot ,yeah Oct 28 09:22:56 tahanks :) Oct 28 09:23:00 oops one 'a' too many Oct 28 09:45:21 does the SD card need to be formatted to ext3 before dd? Oct 28 09:45:48 Jucato, no, you are overwriting everything with dd, the image you copy has its own filesystem Oct 28 09:46:00 cool. thanks :) Oct 28 09:46:06 now just waiting for the download to finish ... Oct 28 09:46:15 47 minutes ... Oct 28 09:54:29 has anyone the raw content as tar so I may just rsync it to the device (I hate repartitioning) Oct 28 09:56:17 can someone point me to the 1.1 release? Oct 28 09:56:59 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ Oct 28 09:57:14 sjjg: ^^ Oct 28 09:57:50 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ for netbook Oct 28 09:58:35 thanks guys :) Oct 28 10:05:37 when updating my meego sdk, should I use zypper or yum? Oct 28 10:15:54 boud: I suppose it is a matter of preference - but I like zypper. Oct 28 10:33:28 why no updates on meego.com about the newly released 1.1 as linked above (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ etc..) Oct 28 10:33:58 Kiranos: probably coming today Oct 28 10:34:45 ok thanks! Oct 28 10:38:55 jeremiah: thanks, I'll use zypper then, since that's the one I'm familiar with myself Oct 28 11:01:04 is there any description of new features in Meego 1.1? Oct 28 11:26:41 hhello #meego bon appétit Oct 28 11:29:11 Hi, seems like meego emulator is pretty slow, is there any way to speed it up? Oct 28 11:30:36 with demulation Oct 28 11:31:05 sx0n, what is this? Oct 28 11:31:10 yay! booted 1.1 on the N900. no worries about making calls. the indicator says I don't even have a signal :) Oct 28 11:31:39 well, that indicates that you can call basically. The indicator isn't working properly with n900 modem yet. Oct 28 11:31:47 oooh Oct 28 11:31:52 how about SMS? Oct 28 11:31:58 if you see airplain you do not have network connectivity Oct 28 11:32:10 well, you should be able to sent those as well. Oct 28 11:32:25 chukcha, i think emulation emulates certain hw speed but i am probably wrong with this. :) Oct 28 11:34:28 may be ) But 2 fps almost all the time is too slow ( But looks like usual Qt applications runs at full speed, but MeegoTouch applications are very-very slow. I wonder why is this.. Oct 28 11:35:00 chukcha, which normal qt apps are you running in the meego emulator? Oct 28 11:35:59 cool. sent an SMS and even got a reply. but I can't read it (opens a blank "page" if I tap on the received message). but oh well. still cool :) Oct 28 11:36:35 Jucato: we love you for making those bug reports ;-) Oct 28 11:36:51 (or commenting or voting old ones) Oct 28 11:37:01 yeah I would presume it's alread known :) Oct 28 11:37:27 lcuk, well, I just created new Qt 4.7 project in QtCreator and launch it Oct 28 11:38:08 so I mean "normal qt" application - is app not using MeegoTouch UI framework Oct 28 11:38:48 who wanted the lspci/lsusb output from the strange lenovo s10-3t-s ? I have yet another one Oct 28 11:39:05 http://pastebin.com/5Vfkk5Ls Oct 28 11:40:21 er .. how do you get to that dialog/notification area where you can configure 3G,WiFi, etc? Oct 28 11:41:22 chukcha: hello, for use libmeegotouch you lust add " CONFIG += meegotouch " in your .pro file Oct 28 11:41:46 s/lust/must Oct 28 11:41:49 woops Oct 28 11:43:34 and once again, who manages the carrick* code? Oct 28 11:43:38 anyone? ) Oct 28 11:44:02 niala, thanks, well, I know how to use MeegoTouch ) I just see strange issue - MeegoTouch applications are very slow (2 fps), but "usual" Qt applications are quite fast. Why is the speed is so different? Oct 28 11:44:40 "use Qt then" :-> Oct 28 11:45:25 A wild guess - emulator's opengl is dodgy? :) Oct 28 11:45:26 different graphics engine by default perhaps? Oct 28 11:45:37 and Qt doesn't require it, just supports it :) Oct 28 11:46:00 chukcha: sorry I don't know, I don't see that for me. is you OS update? Oct 28 11:46:16 leinir, probably Oct 28 11:48:43 niala, hmm... this might be because I am running linux in virtual machine... Oct 28 11:51:09 yay I haz networking! (now if only my Inet connection would actually behave :() Oct 28 11:56:48 damn those are cute kittens :) Oct 28 11:57:47 hangs at the end?) Oct 28 11:58:12 the video? Oct 28 11:58:30 whydamn? Oct 28 11:58:40 because they're cute :) Oct 28 11:58:46 lol Oct 28 12:00:46 calls do work! I'm impressed! :) Oct 28 12:03:39 mrr? Oct 28 12:04:01 "mrr"? Oct 28 12:04:26 calls? Oct 28 12:04:31 phone calls Oct 28 12:04:49 I called myself (on another cellphone) Oct 28 12:04:51 I heard myself :) Oct 28 12:04:57 haha :) Oct 28 12:05:01 that's... thats really... yeah :) Oct 28 12:05:51 * Chani fails to see how this was impressive, though :) unless one of those phones was running some cool software. Oct 28 12:06:11 Chani: it's impressive that it actually works :) Oct 28 12:06:25 that *what* works? Oct 28 12:06:55 yeah, developing phone software is so easy and trivial Oct 28 12:06:59 making/receiving calls and SMS in MeeGo 1.1 Handset UX running on N900 Oct 28 12:07:12 detailed enough? :) Oct 28 12:07:35 * Jucato goes copy the kittens video in the meantime >.> Oct 28 12:07:46 ahh :) Oct 28 12:10:07 This was a triumph. I'm making a note here "Huge success!" Oct 28 12:10:18 It's hard to overstate my satisfaction Oct 28 12:10:25 now imagine how 1.2 can be like :) Oct 28 12:10:42 don't wanna imagine. I might pee :P Oct 28 12:10:48 hehe Oct 28 12:15:02 which tab/space scheme is used in meego generally? Oct 28 12:15:32 * sx0n *hides* Oct 28 12:18:25 http://www.jwz.org/doc/tabs-vs-spaces.html Oct 28 12:21:57 sx0n: That kind of depends on what you mean by "in meego" ;) Oct 28 12:23:25 Stskeeps, could we expect someone to update this wiki page? :) http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot Oct 28 12:23:32 it's marked as outdated :) Oct 28 12:23:49 http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/28/meego-v1-1-for-handsets-is-out-let-the-n900-dual-booting-begin/ Oct 28 12:24:02 Stskeeps, that's typically scenario when update is needed :) Oct 28 12:24:21 Surfa: we're working on a good dual boot solution Oct 28 12:24:29 ok, good.. Oct 28 12:24:47 hope it'll be availabe "soon enough" :) Oct 28 12:25:09 Surfa: It'll be ready much sooner if people don't have to keep telling others that it's being worked on ;) Oct 28 12:25:19 n900 is leading technology product :) having 4.7 and meego Oct 28 12:25:38 leinir, oh really? :P haven't seen that too many times here at least Oct 28 12:25:48 Maybe not in here, no :) Oct 28 12:25:57 too many channels Oct 28 12:26:06 not irc channels but communication channels Oct 28 12:30:56 Surfa: Oh for sure :) Oct 28 12:32:13 http://pastebin.com/6J9he5YC - any idea why connman does not detect wifi in available technologies? Oct 28 12:44:22 Any women looking to share a hotel room at the MeeGo Conference in Dublin? Oct 28 12:44:34 question: do you have to be a woman? Oct 28 12:44:35 ;D Oct 28 12:44:54 :D Oct 28 12:45:00 nocturnal, short of quick surgery I am going to be a woman at the Conference. Oct 28 12:45:22 nocturnal, matrixx: http://xkcd.com/322 Oct 28 12:45:29 Alison_Chaiken: possibly Oct 28 12:45:51 Lynoure, I booked a single room in the Conference hotel but can prolly change the res. Oct 28 12:46:00 Alison_Chaiken: if I can get approval to go, and find cheap enough flights. I'll probably know tomorrow. Oct 28 12:46:01 Myrtti: a classic one :) Oct 28 12:46:05 Myrtti: =D Oct 28 12:46:17 yes, I know, I use it as a kick message sometimes. Oct 28 12:46:18 Lynoure, my email is alchaiken@gmail.com. Let me know. Oct 28 12:49:06 Alison_Chaiken: ok, I will. Oct 28 12:57:09 o_O Termana :) Oct 28 12:59:26 so now I have flashed my N900 to PR1.3 and dd'd the MeeGo 1.1 raw image to microSD, what was the package to install from extras-devel to enable dualbooting MeeGo 1.1? Oct 28 13:00:42 dual booting *prototype* instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch Oct 28 13:00:58 is the way to reboot or shutdown to remove the battery? Oct 28 13:01:19 hold down power button Oct 28 13:01:20 chem|st: power button? Oct 28 13:01:26 no usb cable in Oct 28 13:01:35 it takes a little longer than on maemo but it does happen Oct 28 13:03:13 X-Fade: doesnt doe anything... Oct 28 13:03:28 wait longer. Oct 28 13:03:29 X-Fade, hold it, it takes a lot longer Oct 28 13:03:33 when did 1.1 come out? Oct 28 13:03:39 26th october Oct 28 13:03:42 (I mean what time of day UTC) Oct 28 13:03:58 X-Fade: ok about 10-15 seconds... Oct 28 13:04:30 that is very long... Oct 28 13:05:21 indeed Oct 28 13:10:18 kudos to the people who runs the servers, they seem a lot faster than last week Oct 28 13:12:57 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/ :) Oct 28 13:16:42 didn't old MeeGo releases use flashable rootfs images? Oct 28 13:17:05 my tutorial does work still, but you might need an older ubifs Oct 28 13:17:12 / mtd-utils Oct 28 13:17:29 Doesn't fit anyway. Oct 28 13:17:39 Stskeeps, but you did use ubifs images for the N900+MeeGo right? Oct 28 13:17:46 we used to Oct 28 13:17:47 but no more Oct 28 13:17:48 even if it was a very stripped down build Oct 28 13:17:56 shuddup Oct 28 14:31:26 nice, some TI loving for MeeGo :) http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2010/10/27/ti-views-tablets-meego-windows-phone-7-as-big-opportunity/ Oct 28 15:11:41 Can I install meego on my nokia 5530? Oct 28 15:12:13 no Oct 28 15:12:38 X-Fade: What about android? Oct 28 15:13:21 McPels: isn't that a question better suited for another channel? Oct 28 15:14:04 answer is still no Oct 28 15:14:33 (everything is of course possible) Oct 28 15:37:29 sounds like a no-go Oct 28 15:37:50 hey Tumi_ Oct 28 15:37:58 CosmoHill: hi! Oct 28 16:03:58 questions about meego sdk and qemu: just to make sure i had qemu setup right, i decided to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo and now have windows xp media center running under Qemu. Unlike the qemugl setup, this seems to automatically setup the network, and allow me to use a tablet directly w/o the nasty mouse grab business. is there a way to get those features in qemugl? Oct 28 16:05:12 i'm launching this qemu with "qemu -localtime -smb /media/disk -usb -usbdevice tablet -m 384 windows.img" ... and it "just works" Oct 28 16:07:08 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1825918/meego-n900-smartphone Oct 28 16:07:28 npm, by following the instructions on the meego website, I could ssh and scp into my MeeGo netbook guest but the included Chromium browser crashes and I haven't had a change to figure out why. Did you install libvirt too? See my notes at http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/PCBSD/PCBSD8_under_qemu-kvm.html if you're bored. Oct 28 16:07:35 MeeGo 1.1 released http://meego.com/ Oct 28 16:07:50 Alison_Chaiken: that's because it's on its own totally local cut off network Oct 28 16:08:00 where is the IRC cava? Oct 28 16:08:11 it needs to be routed to the actual network and there's some pointers in your document suggesting that Oct 28 16:08:15 released now? we noticed the images hours ago ;) Oct 28 16:08:20 however those instructions are complicated Oct 28 16:08:32 a release is not only about software ;) Oct 28 16:08:41 and doing qemu for windows didn't require all the complications to get networjking going Oct 28 16:08:50 http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/meego-1.1-release Oct 28 16:08:59 the 1.1 release is officially live now Oct 28 16:10:04 yes let's try Oct 28 16:10:23 DawnFoster: hey Oct 28 16:10:35 Alison_Chaiken: by complicated, i mean http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2062234#post2062234 and http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/qemu.html Oct 28 16:10:35 I've got the ivi and netbook release copied onto my server for others to download Oct 28 16:12:00 and w/ winxp running all ifconfig says i have running is "virbr0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr AA:24:A8:C0:C2:A3 " and yet i have full network connectivity out of the windows qemu (ie. i can browse the net, run windows update etc) Oct 28 16:13:25 huh? my experience with qemu and networking was pretty straight forward under linux (haven't tried meego though specifically) Oct 28 16:13:39 Cool npm, I was planning to get started on making the bridge work better as my next step. Which MeeGo image are you using? Oct 28 16:14:26 i was using meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0901.raw meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.12.20100727.1-sdk-pre0901.raw i guess i should update to the release Oct 28 16:14:32 Yeah npm, I can see the same message under ifconfig on both the guest and the host. I suspect I have to change firewall rules on the host to get the bridge going. Oct 28 16:15:24 there are also some silent packages that need to be installed or. for example i didn't need dhcp so i removed it. but things don't work well unless it's installed in qemu Oct 28 16:16:38 (relatively) surprised to see major tech blogs telling everybody to dual-boot their N900s with MeeGo 1.1 - maybe they should try themselves first Oct 28 16:17:20 At least Nokia puts the focus on developers ;) http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/28/for-developers-eyes-only-meego-version-1-1/ Oct 28 16:19:10 npm: are we talking about handset images here? I'm pretty sure some of them don't have networking turned on by default so it has to be manually configured; at least that's what I had to do last week Oct 28 16:20:01 npm: the easiest way to use handset images under QEMU is through MADDE, where a lot of the hard work is done for you: see http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux and http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_targets Oct 28 16:20:16 npm (these are docs in progress, by the way) Oct 28 16:21:51 yep see http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-October/002345.html for how far i got Oct 28 16:22:46 i was trying to get the networking part going, when i decided to see how qemu+winxp worked "for comparison" and "sanity check" Oct 28 16:25:54 from reading http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/PCBSD/PCBSD8_under_qemu-kvm.html it appeared i was stuck on the part connecting the kvm network to the actual network card Oct 28 16:26:32 wee got meego 1.1 installed on my n900 =D Oct 28 16:26:36 first time i've reinstalled a phone Oct 28 16:28:46 ok sorry to say it but first impression is "wow this thing looks like shit" Oct 28 16:28:53 of course it's not finished Oct 28 16:29:07 well, one problem is the scaling bug that exists Oct 28 16:29:10 the new icons look ugly Oct 28 16:29:13 oooh Oct 28 16:29:15 that explains it Oct 28 16:29:16 thanks Oct 28 16:29:23 because the icons are all grainy Oct 28 16:29:39 there's an open bug on the issue Oct 28 16:30:16 well i'm just playing around anyways, the n900 was never that good of a phone/mp3 player for daily use imo. much happier with a smaller devices such as the htc and with the sense ui. Oct 28 16:30:27 it's an awesome mobile computer though Oct 28 16:30:31 with gsm Oct 28 16:31:06 so i still carry it in my back pack just to have a linux terminal wherever i go, full freedom. Oct 28 16:31:59 townxelliot: what about http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux for building netbook images? that's the one i had trouble getting networking and browser working Oct 28 16:33:04 npm: to run netbook under QEMU? Oct 28 16:33:42 yes Oct 28 16:35:06 but i should try again with today's released bits... part of the reason for my windows digression is i figured i'd let the bits settle during release,and fix other problems that were holding me up Oct 28 16:36:40 npm I think you'll have to build your own QEMU-enabled (GL accelerated) image for netbook at the moment - as per http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools - I don't _think_ there are any netbook images with GL acceleration built in yet (I haven't heard about them, anyway) Oct 28 16:37:51 nocturnal: 1.1 Handset doesn't try to look nice to end users - it actually tries to look uninteresting to them Oct 28 16:38:24 hopefully today's update to qemugl will fix http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux Oct 28 16:38:33 oops mispaste http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-October/000379.html Oct 28 16:41:34 any screenshots of meego 1.1 handset anywhere? Oct 28 16:42:06 I have Meego 1.0 installed on my netbook, what is the best way to upgrade to 1.1 ? zypper refresh & patch doesn't work... do I need to change the repos? Oct 28 16:42:23 reinstall Oct 28 16:42:36 it's possible to update manually with zypper but it's rather hard Oct 28 16:42:55 you have to zypper install --force --from (newrepo) $each_package Oct 28 16:43:09 and, that will break ... Oct 28 16:43:19 reinstall is the quickest, safest, and easiest Oct 28 16:43:27 will the reinstall preserve other programs installed (/usr/local) or does it require a clean wipe? Oct 28 16:43:37 oh, really? maybe I'm just spoiled with Debian... :) Oct 28 16:44:20 no fedora style "preupdate" available? Oct 28 16:44:29 npm: depends on what you tell the installer to do Oct 28 16:45:00 hopefully it has an option to overlay the existing os w/o overwriting? Oct 28 16:45:16 yes, you can set it to "not format" a partition Oct 28 16:45:32 use at your own risk Oct 28 16:45:37 excellent. Oct 28 16:45:38 oh Oct 28 16:45:45 so you recommend a clean wipe? Oct 28 16:48:49 I'm not recommending anything, just stating what the options and consequences are for each :) Oct 28 16:49:13 I personally run trunk on most my dev systems and never reinstall Oct 28 16:49:57 ok, thanks for the info :) I guess I'll just backup and reinstall then Oct 28 16:52:10 * niala reboot test 1.1 Oct 28 16:53:45 * auke digs through e-mail Oct 28 16:54:01 * CosmoHill hands auke a shovel Oct 28 16:54:01 hrm Oct 28 16:54:09 anyone got a recent meego install on IA? Oct 28 16:54:16 trunk? Oct 28 16:54:33 what does 'zypper verify' say for you? Oct 28 16:55:22 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-October/000379.html --> still a problem with latest qemu-gl.x86_64 0:0.12.4+git1+ee46cb4-6.2 Oct 28 16:55:24 Problem: product:MeeGo release-.meego is not installable Oct 28 16:55:55 yeah, we see same on ARM Oct 28 16:56:03 bug bug bug Oct 28 16:56:12 i think we reported one.. let me check Oct 28 16:56:35 suddenly maemo is starting, so i'm assuming there are some extra steps to make meego start by default Oct 28 16:56:39 qemu-gl-0.12.4-4.1.x86_64 was the last version that worked for me w/o black screen issue Oct 28 16:56:39 i'll read more on the wiki later Oct 28 16:56:46 yeah, BMC# 9099 Oct 28 17:06:11 does meego use telepathy? Oct 28 17:06:20 the handset ux that is Oct 28 17:07:17 hi Oct 28 17:07:31 what's new in meego 1.1 for netbook ? ;) Oct 28 17:07:45 besides components sync with upstream Oct 28 17:11:03 VLJ: everything! Oct 28 17:12:24 oh same splashscreen on 1.1 sad Oct 28 17:13:16 I'd love to have MeeGo on my N900, but I can't really figure out whether it has the same telephony/messaging features as Maemo. Like skype integration, WLM, jabber, all that Oct 28 17:13:24 with contact merging Oct 28 17:14:05 zhasha: according to the site, meego handset only has minimal functionality at the moment. You can make calls and send sms though at least Oct 28 17:14:09 CosmoHill: but the screenshots does look very much like 1.0 version Oct 28 17:14:23 * CosmoHill hasn't seen either :( Oct 28 17:14:37 loufoque_: well that's disappointing :/ will it be using telepathy? Oct 28 17:15:12 telepathy is part of the core of meego, so I guess it does Oct 28 17:15:20 I don't have it installed yet myself Oct 28 17:18:21 zhasha: have you read this yet: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/28/for-developers-eyes-only-meego-version-1-1/ Oct 28 17:22:09 there is no qt 4.7.1 ? Oct 28 17:22:18 * VLJ is looking after Thiago Oct 28 17:22:47 Myrtti: I will now Oct 28 17:27:15 VLJ: qt-4.7.0-3.1.src.rpm http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ Oct 28 17:27:40 Tjena, jag försöker få igång meego sdkt på ubuntu 10.10 men misslyckas på qemu. Är jag i rätt kanal? Oct 28 17:28:29 tor: ja, men kanalen är engelskt Oct 28 17:28:52 Myrtti, sorry thought i typed in meegosweden Oct 28 17:28:56 kek Oct 28 17:29:18 yw :-P Oct 28 17:30:31 Hi i'm trying to get the meego sdk (netbook version) running on ubuntu 10.10 (32 bit) but all im getting is a grey window when i start meego-qemu-start Oct 28 17:32:35 anyone with an idea on how to debug this? Oct 28 17:32:36 thx Oct 28 17:32:44 err Oct 28 17:32:52 there is still no silverlight on meego ? Oct 28 17:34:20 VLJ: there's not silver light on my mac either Oct 28 17:34:25 short question, does meego have support for ipv6? Oct 28 17:34:32 ioan: yes Oct 28 17:34:35 thanks Oct 28 17:34:53 CosmoHill: sure ? Oct 28 17:35:13 CosmoHill, ppc mac no? Oct 28 17:35:14 VLJ: the silverlight or ipv6 thing? Oct 28 17:35:20 bef0rd: correct Oct 28 17:35:44 :) Oct 28 17:35:57 wonder if moonlight is available for ppc Oct 28 17:36:18 silverlight Oct 28 17:36:42 VLJ: only version 1 is supported on powermac mac Oct 28 17:36:50 I though windows and mac version of sl were released synchronously Oct 28 17:36:52 powerpc* Oct 28 17:36:57 probably on intel mac Oct 28 17:37:01 ok Oct 28 17:37:20 tor: are you using SDK netbook images from http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux? Oct 28 17:37:31 is there a new release of moonlight that run on top of mono 2.8 ? Oct 28 17:37:39 it has a better garbage collector Oct 28 17:37:56 townxelliot, yes i follow the instructions on the wiki so i suppose so? Oct 28 17:38:33 tor: did you do the graphics checks? Oct 28 17:38:54 townxelliot, yes (Will double check) Oct 28 17:41:00 townxelliot, i however does not get "Mesa DRI" when checking glxinfo i get "Quadro FX 2700M...." Oct 28 17:41:45 should that not work? Oct 28 17:49:53 tor: what do you get if you run: glxinfo | grep "renderer string" ? Oct 28 17:54:19 townxelliot, i get "Quadro FX 2700M...." Oct 28 17:54:41 tor, townxelliot: sounds like the same problem i'm seeing here: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-October/000379.html Oct 28 17:56:30 tor: are you also seeing "IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0" Oct 28 17:57:04 npm, I'm reading up wait a while Oct 28 17:57:39 * VladNistor says hello Oct 28 17:57:43 the only time i was able to get it running correcty, it was not outputting those messages, and "qemu-gl-0.12.4-4.1.x86_64" updating to "qemu-gl.x86_64 0:0.12.4+git1+ee46cb4-6.1" caused a regression Oct 28 17:58:41 if I were to use this guide (http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900), but instead of dd the files to an sd card I were to use a partition I made on the internal 32gb memory, would it still work? Oct 28 17:58:42 if anybody has an old copy of qemu-gl-0.12.4-4.1.x86_64 RPM. i could confirm that upgrading the package caused regression Oct 28 17:58:51