**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 03 02:59:57 2010 Nov 03 04:14:51 what kind of netbooks are you guys using for development/testing? Nov 03 04:47:02 hi Nov 03 04:47:09 i am unable to install meego 1.1 Nov 03 04:47:28 i tell it to remove all existing partitions and do the default layout and it says lvm is not supported? Nov 03 04:47:38 what should i do? Nov 03 04:49:48 the device format of /dev/sda2: lvmpv is not supported Nov 03 04:49:53 thats what it says exactly Nov 03 05:06:06 hey guys Nov 03 05:06:31 anybody worked on new SDK, i am unable to find startmeego Nov 03 05:12:13 so I found a way to do triple boot with my N900 Nov 03 05:12:39 1-meeGo 2-Nitdroid 3-maemo Nov 03 05:13:12 to boot to MeeGo I used U-boot-pr13 Nov 03 05:13:48 when I want to boot to Nitdroid I simply interrupt U-boot Nov 03 05:14:08 and then it goes to multiboot where I choose nitdroid or maemo Nov 03 05:15:22 Hi, who knows about meego IVI version? Nov 03 05:15:40 I have it on my N900 Nov 03 05:15:49 also with maemo and nitdroid Nov 03 05:15:55 in one phone Nov 03 05:16:04 with multiboot Nov 03 05:17:01 i found the ivihome not support multi-language, Nov 03 05:20:18 when set the language to others except english, the ivihome tool bar displays the unrecognized code. But other applications such as terminal are ok, all menu text is translated correctly. Nov 03 06:45:55 is it possible to install firefox to meego? Nov 03 07:26:48 anttu: handset ux uses it already (Firefox Mobile) Nov 03 07:39:45 oh well :L I really hope that open-/libreoffice would be available from meego garage someday Nov 03 07:40:41 I'm sure it'll end up in the community OBS Nov 03 07:41:34 I must be a strange person but I wouldn't consider using even Abiword on a netbook Nov 03 07:41:45 even less OpenOffice Nov 03 07:41:52 vim++ Nov 03 07:41:53 ;) Nov 03 07:41:57 and LaTeX Nov 03 07:41:57 people use meego on laptops Nov 03 07:41:59 I do Nov 03 07:42:19 * Jucato just had weird images of meego handset ux on a laptop >.< Nov 03 07:42:31 obviously not that UX :) Nov 03 07:42:41 That is what I intend to run on mine though. Nov 03 07:42:46 I know. but I couldn't stop my brain from thinking it :D Nov 03 07:42:49 sofar: and I wouldn't use OpenOffice on a laptop unless I'd be forced to. (And right now I am, so I had to install it, and abandon my Geany/LaTeX) Nov 03 07:43:35 tbh I do not have office on my meego laptop installed Nov 03 07:43:54 I admire (and probably envy) people who hadn't had to deal with human-level word processing and just get away with using something like LaTeX :) Nov 03 07:43:59 first day impressions: "argh has nobody killed that bloody light bulb yet? ARGH the indents and tabs are all wrong! Good grief this person doesn't know how to use styles! AAAAAAARRRGGGHGHHGHGHGHGH" Nov 03 07:44:22 *bangbangbang* Nov 03 07:44:45 the pain, it doesn't go away Nov 03 07:48:15 heh. but I have to say that my gf gave a lot of compliments of the meego UI on my netbook. :P she mainly uses this pc for doing her schoolwork && web browsing, but my main point is that you could say that an office suite is actually a necessity for "normal", layman computer users. an easy installation procedure would be terrific. Nov 03 07:48:40 erani: google docs... Nov 03 07:48:44 and no, doing it via terminal isn't. it might be for me and many others in here but for average joes :D Nov 03 07:50:13 a sensible UI for LyX might be an interesting experiment there Nov 03 07:50:25 indeed :P Nov 03 07:52:35 interesting compromise Nov 03 07:52:48 LyX on a handset could be interesting Nov 03 08:11:35 well Nov 03 08:12:14 I don't know what benefit it would bring knowing the limited screen space Nov 03 08:12:28 compared to just write LaTeX with anything Nov 03 08:20:33 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio/commits/wsiv_swdev-stable is this sufficient progress in pulseaudio? Nov 03 08:29:16 "The audio device is never closed during PA's runtime. That means it cannot Nov 03 08:29:16 be powered down and PA will always consume a bit of CPU to write silence the Nov 03 08:29:18 device. Effectively that means it will shorten your battery life" Nov 03 08:29:26 - Lennart Poettering 2010-02-22 Nov 03 08:43:13 did anybody meet the problem when start ots_worker? File "/usr/local/bin/ots_worker", line 8, in load_entry_point('ots.worker==0.1dev', 'console_scripts', 'ots_worker')() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 318, in load_entry_point return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2221, in load_entry_point retur Nov 03 08:43:41 File "/usr/local/bin/ots_worker", line 8, in load_entry_point('ots.worker==0.1dev', 'console_scripts', 'ots_worker')() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 318, in load_entry_point return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2221, in load_entry_point return ep.load() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-package Nov 03 08:44:12 ImportError: No module named worker.worker Nov 03 08:54:41 * Myrtti gives wangjan pastebin.com Nov 03 08:57:02 hello, Nov 03 08:59:01 cripes, it's that late already Nov 03 08:59:04 more coffee! Nov 03 08:59:46 Myrtti: late? I fell off the bed :) Nov 03 09:00:46 almost lunchtime Nov 03 09:03:10 please a kiwi orange juice and a slice of honey Myrtti .. well have a good day Nov 03 09:17:03 seems #meego is sleeping Nov 03 09:18:05 ~tackle #meego Nov 03 09:18:05 * infobot tackles #meego to the ground. Nov 03 09:18:43 what a shoot! Nov 03 09:19:20 ~kill me Nov 03 09:19:21 * infobot shoots a inverse fluxtachyon gun at chem|st Nov 03 09:58:50 just wondering if there are any news about first mobile phone with Meego ? Nov 03 09:58:56 except N900 Nov 03 10:00:15 news? nos Nov 03 10:00:24 rumours? plenty Nov 03 10:00:56 apart from Aava, which is a developer platform, sold at 1900€ each the last I checked Nov 03 10:14:48 Myrtti, mm. What?? Sold for 1900$? Nov 03 10:15:17 Myrtti, what's the rumors about next Meego phone then? Nov 03 10:18:17 linuxcentos: I don't repeat rumours Nov 03 10:19:35 it's like the old parlor game of broken telephone, sometimes I suspect rumours are started just so that people can have fun with what they end up being Nov 03 10:23:49 I heard north-korean government was building a meego phone! Nov 03 10:24:03 that's one for a rumor =) Nov 03 10:38:32 how do i see gpu usage in top or something similar? Nov 03 10:40:53 pupnik_: there's an intel gpu top tool for intel graphics chips Nov 03 10:42:57 awesome slaine ! Nov 03 10:43:57 http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/app/intel-gpu-tools-1.0.tar.bz2 Nov 03 10:44:17 yup, there should be an rpm in the meego repo's for them too Nov 03 10:57:57 Myrtti, ok. When do you think i will be able to buy one Meego phone? Nov 03 11:03:38 Q1 2011? Nov 03 11:42:10 linuxcentos: there is a quote from the CEO that it'll be in Q1 of 2011 as psycho_oreos said, but I've often found CEO's to be somewhat detached from reality and giving estimates to make the press go away, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that information either Nov 03 11:42:35 linuxcentos: short answer is "it'll come when it's ready" Nov 03 11:43:44 and with estimates I mean numbers that be either too big or too small Nov 03 11:43:53 or too vague Nov 03 11:47:30 I've not heard anyone else than Nokia talk about a MeeGo phone, perhaps there is in some corner of the world someone else building one Nov 03 11:48:07 world is a mysterious place my friends Nov 03 11:48:45 Myrtti: LG Where originally looking at one, but I don't know if they're still interested or not Nov 03 11:49:00 (Was originally a Moblin device) Nov 03 11:49:02 slaine: ah, forgot that Nov 03 11:49:14 slaine: when was that again? Nov 03 11:49:29 This time last year at the IDF it was demo'd Nov 03 11:49:40 There's some footage on youtube Nov 03 11:50:06 Then when meego was announced in February, LG where one of the first to say they'd have a MeeGo phone Nov 03 11:50:16 Haven't really heard anything since though Nov 03 11:50:42 It's been a busy year for me so haven't been as attentive as I'd have liked Nov 03 11:53:21 slaine: I was sick on the announcment week and extremely busy after that so I've not followed up too well either Nov 03 12:23:40 uh oh. has anyone else experienced some weird freezing with eeepc 1000h? or any other pc from eee-family Nov 03 12:24:02 somehow after boot the screen distorts and the whole system freezes and i have to do a total reboot Nov 03 12:24:52 strangely, windows xp had same issues, but ubuntu didn't Nov 03 12:26:35 If it's cross OS installs then it's possible you've got faulty hardware Nov 03 12:27:05 erani: maybe it's a hardware fault? Nov 03 12:27:35 -.o' oh well, might be that. at first I thought it could be a driver issue but now to think about it again Nov 03 12:27:43 * erani is meh Nov 03 12:31:18 has anyone here put meego on their n900 Nov 03 12:34:26 yes, but I'm not one of them Nov 03 12:35:02 erani: try running memtest86 off a memory stick Nov 03 12:35:53 Sargun_Screen: had yes Nov 03 12:37:17 chem|st: why only had? Nov 03 12:39:22 is there a command to see network hardware's log somehow? my wifi disconnects every now and then too. (I sincerely wish these all wouldn't be hw issues...) Nov 03 12:39:53 your network or internet connection? Nov 03 12:40:00 Sargun_Screen: far away from usable for me, cannot use wpa2-enterprise, gsm does not support pinlocked sim etc Nov 03 12:40:58 CosmoHill: might be good to see them both, as I don't know if it is just because of the connection or hw Nov 03 12:41:32 erani: you can check with another distributions live pendrive (or just pendrivelinux) Nov 03 12:41:34 your wifi could be affected by distance and channel (interference) Nov 03 12:45:41 CosmoHill: yes, that's possible. right now I see about 20 AP's in this single lecture room... Nov 03 12:46:02 thanks, I'll look into these problems later this evening! Nov 03 12:58:53 erani: ah Nov 03 12:59:13 it's likely you are within range of 2 or 3 APs but they broadcast multiple wifi networks Nov 03 13:03:59 Myrtti, ok, thx Nov 03 13:04:44 these are the moments when I wonder does my dark mysterious past as a wikipedia admin show Nov 03 13:04:49 is there plans for Meego to support other than Intel graphic cards? Nov 03 13:07:33 linuxcentos: what do you need? Nov 03 13:09:20 chem|st, freedom to use Meego not limited to Intel stuff Nov 03 13:09:41 linuxcentos: install the right libGL* :) Nov 03 13:10:35 linuxcentos: you are free to port any drivers you like! Nov 03 13:11:45 linuxcentos: btw nvidia and intel are shagging in the laundry room from time to time... Nov 03 13:12:51 Stskeeps, then it will work Nov 03 13:13:14 Stskeeps, what about the installation? it won't fail on none Intel gfx cards Nov 03 13:13:32 chem|st, i didn't get your point about Intel and Nvidia? Nov 03 13:13:57 linuxcentos: brew your own installation image Nov 03 13:14:49 Stskeeps, ohh, well Nov 03 13:15:16 Stskeeps: no generic driver for basic 2D? Nov 03 13:17:42 hmmh, I tried installing openoffice with this instruction: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=537 yet I'm experiencing some issues with eror message: "Unable to access jar JavaSetup.jar" Nov 03 13:18:01 I noticed that there's no java yet for meego, so is that instruction an old one? Nov 03 13:18:45 jarfile* Nov 03 13:19:10 Hi ... if I want to contribute to meego as a QA , where do I start from ? I find no relevant info from the webpages. can anyone guide me? Nov 03 13:23:11 yyyyyy ate too much chocolate Nov 03 13:23:43 moorelee: there's a mailing list... Nov 03 13:24:13 Myrtti : which one is it ? Nov 03 13:24:46 moorelee: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-qa Nov 03 13:25:24 Myrrti : Thanx. Will check on that. Nov 03 13:31:41 I'm trying to install something on a handset image using zypper, but all the repos (core, handset, netbook, non-oss) are disabled with the error "[|] Repository type can't be determined.". What am I doing wrong? Nov 03 14:13:24 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information Nov 03 14:13:35 Fill yours in if you'd like. Nov 03 14:14:01 Cannot go :( Nov 03 14:14:10 Sucks. :( Nov 03 14:19:45 ha! Nov 03 14:36:25 has anyone managed to install openoffice in meego 1.1? Nov 03 15:14:59 meego sdk using xepyhr - is the video player meant to work or be white screened? Nov 03 15:20:12 salut Alison_Chaiken Nov 03 15:20:31 Hyvaa huomenta, CosmoHill. Nov 03 15:21:21 Today is my 3rd-to-last-day at $CURRENTJOB. I downloaded DawnFoster 's ebook and plan to read it instead of working. Nov 03 15:22:02 Alison_Chaiken: sounds like a productive way to procrastinate :) (hope you enjoy it) Nov 03 15:22:03 my client split that up into two lines and I read it as "I downloaded DawnFoster" Nov 03 15:24:37 Alison_Chaiken: what are you going to be doing next, since you only have 3 days left at the current gig? Nov 03 15:24:38 it's because it really has a space between DawnFoster and 's :) Nov 03 15:24:57 ah lol Nov 03 15:25:30 DawnFoster: you know I talked to you a bit about motivation. I've kinda taken your approach only instead of doing a 2 hour section I'll listen to a CD Nov 03 15:25:39 when the CD finishes I'll do something else for a bit Nov 03 15:26:51 CosmoHill: sounds like a good way to time it! Nov 03 15:27:09 at the moment it sounds like Battle for the Sun my Placebo Nov 03 15:27:13 *by Nov 03 15:28:25 I will try my luck here with a jack detection/sensing question. I have also posted it at the mailing-list: http://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de/msg07853.html Nov 03 15:28:44 I have made some simple code that should show if headphones are plugged into my pc or not. It works fine on my Ubuntu PC: http://pastebin.com/jwV8NJjk Nov 03 15:28:45 It looks for "Jack" in /dev/input/*" and finds: jack found at /dev/input/event13 (HDA Intel HP Out at Ext Left Jack) Nov 03 15:28:45 If I do the same thing in Meego it does not find "Jack" Nov 03 15:28:56 Now I am kind of lost. Nov 03 15:29:06 perhaps the module for it is not there? Nov 03 15:29:12 lsmod Nov 03 15:29:24 The code is based on: http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/blobs/master/plugins/accessories/wired.c Nov 03 15:30:35 CosmoHill, when i run the lsmod command i do not get something that looks like a sound card in the list Nov 03 15:31:15 perhaps it's not enabled in the kernel - does normal sound work? Nov 03 15:31:21 The audio is working Nov 03 15:31:44 what chip is it ? Nov 03 15:32:53 lspci Nov 03 15:33:11 thanks, i was just trying to remember it :-) Nov 03 15:33:56 Intel 82801G, HDA rev 2 Nov 03 15:34:37 Aspire One 250 PC Nov 03 15:38:17 CosmoHill, Stskeeps, do you have some advice/suggestions on what to do+ Nov 03 15:38:19 ? Nov 03 15:38:43 kt_: google for jack detection 82801g is what i'd do Nov 03 15:38:52 maybe it's just a kernel setting not enabled Nov 03 15:43:30 i will do some searching Nov 03 16:10:15 DawnFoster, I'm going to work with Tom Miller in Nokia Mobility Solutions here in SF Bay Area. I look forward to working with all of you at Intel and to meeting a lot of you in Dublin. I already met Arup Gupta at an IEEE event here last year. Nov 03 16:11:07 Alison_Chaiken: awesome! congrats on the new job, and I look forward to working with you! Nov 03 16:12:28 On a more technical note, has anyone figured out how to use the virt-* tools with qemugl? virt-manager, for example, only knows about qemu and xen. Nov 03 16:13:21 * CosmoHill is doing research the global usage of mobile phones and internet access Nov 03 16:14:12 ln -s qemugl qemu ? Nov 03 16:19:39 CosmoHill: sounds interesting Nov 03 16:20:03 it's taken my 3 weeks to get started :/ Nov 03 16:20:55 X-Fade, any progress with community OBS? Nov 03 16:22:14 son of a bitch, I make a phone call and "low battery" comes up Nov 03 16:22:33 I had 3 bars when I made the call Nov 03 16:25:26 sounds like a Nokia phone Nov 03 16:25:38 shake it a bit, it should gain atleast one bar Nov 03 16:26:56 i think my battery is dying faster and faster Nov 03 16:28:27 it would be very nice if my phone could be charged via USB Nov 03 16:28:49 if I wanted to connect my phone to the PC right now I'd need to move the charger over too because it's low on battery Nov 03 16:41:22 is "!!FOO" being used as some sort of i18n marker? Nov 03 16:50:53 TSCHAKeee2: yes Nov 03 16:51:04 TSCHAKeee2: usually means 'untranslated' Nov 03 16:51:13 FUU!! :D Nov 03 16:51:20 no !!FUU Nov 03 16:51:22 okay, is this for i18n keys that are...gotcha. Nov 03 16:51:27 figured Nov 03 16:51:56 smoku: community OBS is operational and public deployment is underway Nov 03 16:52:07 let's say it's in "beta" Nov 03 16:52:10 did anyone notice the media player's rolodex is a bit hard to tap on? ;) Nov 03 16:52:27 or...any of media player's UI for that matter Nov 03 16:52:30 ;) Nov 03 16:53:46 what UX? Nov 03 16:54:38 Stskeeps: Handset Nov 03 16:54:58 i've been trying to use handset and am starting to make some UI notes Nov 03 16:55:27 the buttons in the media player are _insanely_ small Nov 03 16:55:56 report them as bugs Nov 03 16:56:17 *nod* was looking through to see if it had already been reported. Nov 03 16:56:42 auke, any plans on moving Maemo OBS accounts? Nov 03 16:57:15 smoku: is not going to happen Nov 03 16:57:27 smoku: community OBS uses meego.com account information Nov 03 16:57:39 smoku: it's bloody simple to transfer a project from one obs to another Nov 03 16:57:41 auke, that's even better :) Nov 03 16:57:48 if you meant content Nov 03 16:58:18 Stskeeps, yes. I'm more concerned with content :) Nov 03 16:58:39 * TSCHAKeee2 grabs some code Nov 03 16:58:50 auke, any plans on shutting down Maemo OBS? i.e. should I backup my packages today? Nov 03 16:59:17 smoku: i haven't heard of any, but backups are always good Nov 03 16:59:26 I'm working on MeeGo. I don't know anything about Maemo Nov 03 17:00:23 i haven't looked recently, but do we have non-restricted wireframe-like artwork packages? Nov 03 17:00:37 for people to customize Nov 03 17:01:20 woo. 360 packages built for my armv6+vfp meego port (which obviously isn't real meego) Nov 03 17:01:50 why they shouldn't? Nov 03 17:07:45 Hi Nov 03 17:08:01 is there a torrent file for the meego handset release 1.1 for N900 Nov 03 17:08:08 cause i cant download it directly Nov 03 17:08:35 http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ ? Nov 03 17:09:37 can't find a torrent file there Nov 03 17:10:10 what are the plans for MeeGo Tablet UI? Nov 03 17:10:16 well, that's a better target for dl'ing from Nov 03 17:10:38 ok Nov 03 17:11:48 Meego still can't be installed without SD card right ? Nov 03 17:11:54 i mean even with u-boot Nov 03 17:11:54 right Nov 03 17:12:13 i hope the debian one works Nov 03 17:12:44 anyways thanks Nov 03 17:50:29 oh well, experiencing some strange hiccups again... now there's a white-gray bar at the bottom of the screen with a height of ~20px and I can't remove it anyways, but fullscreen programs seem to adjust their borders by it. so it just takes room from my display. reboot isn't helping... O.o Nov 03 17:50:50 remove it *in any way Nov 03 18:09:18 oh, and now the computer goes to sleep even if sleep mode is turned off from power settings. and as I previously said, it freezes when it goes to sleep :L Nov 03 18:11:27 meh, wonder if there's a settings file where I could change a value of a parameter or a variable manually Nov 03 18:27:44 lo Nov 03 18:28:45 sugestion, make favorite icons (in netbook gui) remember started applications (like in maemo) Nov 03 18:34:27 dvoid_: suggestions should be filed as bugzilla feature enhancements Nov 03 18:36:20 auke, ooh, i was hoping my sugestion was so awsome that you guys would just implement it right now ;) Nov 03 18:55:20 hello Nov 03 18:56:05 has anyone the shrewvpn_2.2.0_armel.deb from http://www.meego.de/forum/howtos/10848-howto-n900-mit-shrew-vpn-und-fritzbox-ueber-umts.html ? Nov 03 19:25:41 Hello Nov 03 19:26:06 I've just seen the news about meego 1.1 Nov 03 19:26:19 and i've a question Nov 03 19:26:51 can i install meego on my sony ericson vivaz pro? Nov 03 19:31:03 that a laptop? Nov 03 19:32:13 http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-supported-hardware Nov 03 19:32:38 hey auke, how's it going? Nov 03 19:32:59 good Nov 03 19:33:03 busy as hell Nov 03 19:33:30 CosmoHill: no that's a phone Nov 03 19:33:49 this phone use symbian 6 Nov 03 19:37:26 it looks like n900 Nov 03 19:37:30 there is no such version of Symbian Nov 03 19:37:32 however Nov 03 19:37:45 according to gsmarena, it uses Symbian s60v5 Nov 03 19:43:04 I don't find spec of my phone, someone has an idee to test? Nov 03 19:43:48 saorel: we only have builds for the AAVA CDK, and the Nokia N900 Nov 03 19:44:12 saorel: and at this point, if you're asking these questions, and aren't a systems developer, this version of Handset is not for you. Nov 03 19:44:40 TSCHAKeee2: :'( ok thanks a lot Nov 03 19:45:16 why are you crying? ... Everything is still in development. Even if it did work on your phone, you can't use it day to day. Nov 03 19:48:00 yes :D I like test everything, and i like qt so much :D so i'm impatient to try it :D Sorry for my tears :) with a smile that's better :D Nov 03 19:48:25 I'll come back in few minutes Nov 03 20:01:03 hi Nov 03 20:02:27 I'm having some trouble getting Meego running in virtualbox. I've converted the img to a vdi, and set it as a hard drive image. The live mode freezes with the error "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option" Nov 03 20:02:33 anyone know why? Nov 03 20:03:11 I've also tried an install onto a seperate, new disk image. It worked fine, rebooted onto that disk, but froze at the end of the new user setup Nov 03 20:03:18 with no error that time. Nov 03 20:05:24 i'm looking for the KickStart file for building meego in a Beagleboard/DevKit8000. but in the meego-Wiki the linkls to the files are broken. Does anybody knows if the project is still being support? Nov 03 20:05:57 might want to ask in #meego-arm Nov 03 20:05:59 Guest27402: hop on over to #meego-arm AFAIK people are still tinkering with it Nov 03 20:07:33 stephg: thanks Nov 03 20:07:43 wmarone: i will look there thaks Nov 03 20:19:36 HI Nov 03 20:19:55 HLLLOOOO Nov 03 20:19:59 HELLOOOO Nov 03 20:20:11 @@ Nov 03 20:20:17 NO BODY THERE Nov 03 20:20:35 what's up? Nov 03 20:20:41 HELLLOOOO Nov 03 20:20:43 ?? Nov 03 20:20:52 I'm from kuwait Nov 03 20:21:06 and i have N900 Nov 03 20:21:11 a-ha? Nov 03 20:21:20 you also have coffee by the sound of it Nov 03 20:21:47 !! Nov 03 20:21:52 :S Nov 03 20:22:07 you want me laugh?? Nov 03 20:22:09 @@ Nov 03 20:22:26 can you please not use the enter-key so much? Nov 03 20:22:52 i tuaght this is a meego channel Nov 03 20:22:59 this is the meego channel Nov 03 20:23:25 so why you are not speak well with me Nov 03 20:23:35 !! Nov 03 20:23:36 you haven't asked a question Nov 03 20:24:13 i have a lot of questions Nov 03 20:24:28 but i think that i have to say hi at the first!!!!! Nov 03 20:24:36 wa7ed_6yb, did you add the "meego support" fee onto your ISP account bill? Nov 03 20:24:53 no i don't Nov 03 20:24:57 :( Nov 03 20:24:59 how old are you? Nov 03 20:25:07 i'm not developer Nov 03 20:25:09 21 Nov 03 20:25:21 wa7ed_6yb: calm down and ask your questions then Nov 03 20:25:33 i'm only love maemo now and i hope that meego will be better Nov 03 20:25:52 Myrtti i'm not talking with u !!!!! @@ Nov 03 20:26:14 alrighty then... Nov 03 20:26:30 nothing Nov 03 20:26:31 Myrtti, does you 770 still see action? Nov 03 20:26:48 this is not ur channel Nov 03 20:26:56 wa7ed_6yb: not yours either ;) Nov 03 20:27:05 i know that Nov 03 20:27:06 wa7ed_6yb: actually... Nov 03 20:27:07 lcuk: it's in Cambs in Duncan's bedside drawer, and my N800 is fairly dead at the moment Nov 03 20:27:27 and i respect my self here Nov 03 20:27:39 but Myrtti didn't respect guests Nov 03 20:27:42 whats it doing in the drawer? Nov 03 20:27:58 wa7ed_6yb, Myrtti is more respectful than many folks around here Nov 03 20:28:05 Myrtti: > me Nov 03 20:28:10 lcuk: waiting for his "Big Idea" Nov 03 20:28:31 you want me to leave this channel Nov 03 20:28:45 not at all wa7ed_6yb Nov 03 20:28:45 because all of u don't want me here :( Nov 03 20:29:00 of course we do, you came in with questions: so ask them Nov 03 20:29:24 o_O Nov 03 20:29:27 wa7ed_6yb: so, you've said hello, I've said hello, you've said "I've got questions" and we've asked you to ask them Nov 03 20:29:35 first, what is new on meego better than maemo? Nov 03 20:29:52 you want the short or the long answer? Nov 03 20:30:14 short, then long Nov 03 20:30:15 short Nov 03 20:30:18 a lot Nov 03 20:30:35 i see now maemo is the best Nov 03 20:30:49 maemo is completely awesome you are right Nov 03 20:30:53 I agree Nov 03 20:30:59 but maemo will not run on oodles of hardware :( Nov 03 20:31:01 and i feel comfortable with it on browsing and applications games chatting Nov 03 20:31:02 meego will. Nov 03 20:31:15 mmm Nov 03 20:31:39 if you want your favorite applications in meego, help out Nov 03 20:31:40 meego is still in heavy development, and may be less usable for normal users than Maemo Nov 03 20:31:41 :) Nov 03 20:32:10 but i don't have any experiece Nov 03 20:32:23 i only go on website mobil4arab Nov 03 20:32:28 then wait for others to develop it further Nov 03 20:32:28 :) you are young enough to learn Nov 03 20:32:33 and copy x-terminal commands Nov 03 20:32:46 can i be developer? Nov 03 20:32:47 * lcuk shudders Nov 03 20:32:55 wa7ed_6yb, you can be anything you want to be. Nov 03 20:33:00 a whole life ahead of yourself. Nov 03 20:33:15 everyone can be a meego developer Nov 03 20:33:26 but i think it's vert difficult Nov 03 20:33:33 specially with meego Nov 03 20:33:37 errr maybe not auke - have you seen GAN900's coding attempts :P Nov 03 20:33:53 wa7ed_6yb, its very difficult anywhere to be a developer Nov 03 20:34:07 thats right Nov 03 20:34:15 so how can i start? Nov 03 20:34:21 but just like in life, there are a range of roles and tasks which may suit you more Nov 03 20:34:22 can you program? Nov 03 20:34:47 program what?? Nov 03 20:34:55 anything Nov 03 20:35:05 me only downloading from extra devel Nov 03 20:35:23 i think that you know osama007?? Nov 03 20:35:23 lcuk, what coding attempts? Nov 03 20:35:28 I mean to be a development it's pretty much a requirement that you can program? Nov 03 20:35:35 GAN900, my point. Nov 03 20:35:36 CosmoHill: wrong Nov 03 20:36:02 ? Nov 03 20:36:10 hey javispedro \o Nov 03 20:36:43 documentation, graphics, themes, advocacy, events... Nov 03 20:36:49 wa7ed_6yb, if you are overwhelmed by the thought of helping with programming, then read the instructions on how to get started and process them properly and try them out Nov 03 20:36:51 community efforts Nov 03 20:37:00 ok Nov 03 20:37:15 and if you encounter errors or omissions they can be fixed with your help of detailed bug reports Nov 03 20:37:22 so where the instructions Nov 03 20:37:24 ? Nov 03 20:37:25 oh yes, filing bug reports Nov 03 20:37:30 wiki.meego.com Nov 03 20:37:34 hi lcuk, all Nov 03 20:37:38 thanks Nov 03 20:37:45 hey javispedro Nov 03 20:37:47 and i'm sorry fot annoying all Nov 03 20:38:32 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Nov 03 20:38:41 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 Nov 03 20:39:14 thanks Nov 03 20:39:18 i'll be backk Nov 03 20:39:24 great Nov 03 20:39:24 i'm sorry Nov 03 20:39:31 lol Nov 03 20:39:46 ? Nov 03 20:40:01 not many people apologise after saying that will return Nov 03 20:40:25 i didn't understand Nov 03 20:40:26 ? Nov 03 20:40:40 don;t worry Nov 03 20:40:44 ok Nov 03 20:41:01 i'll install meego1.1 on my n900 Nov 03 20:41:12 wa7ed_6yb, i have asked most people today: whats the weather like where you are? Nov 03 20:41:15 oh boy Nov 03 20:42:14 i wish there was a diplomatic way of saying Nov 03 20:42:21 "If you're asking these questions, you shouldn't use it yet." Nov 03 20:42:37 maybe that should be the test Nov 03 20:42:40 TSCHAKeee2, bah Nov 03 20:42:51 you can help us develop for the N900 if you can install it without any help Nov 03 20:43:05 CosmoHill, well thats me bollocked up then Nov 03 20:43:18 me too, I bearly have a nokia Nov 03 20:43:20 i needed help to get it started, but that help also shaped more of the documentation Nov 03 20:43:21 let alone a n900 Nov 03 20:46:11 TSCHAKeee2, how many people can do a full install of mce? Nov 03 20:46:45 we have roughly 1000 users. Nov 03 20:47:22 Windows has many users but most of them can't install an AV let alone Windows Nov 03 20:47:41 i meant more fraction of people who manage it vs those that can't Nov 03 20:48:15 mostly the ones that don't, are the ones who deliberately don't follow instructions Nov 03 20:48:24 * lcuk thinks documenting the processes and simplifying them is essential Nov 03 20:48:29 yup it is Nov 03 20:48:31 indeed Nov 03 20:48:36 it's taking us a long time to do both Nov 03 20:48:57 well TSCHAKeee2 - talking about turning people away doesn't help that :P Nov 03 20:49:05 hey guys ... what about b43 support in 1.1 ?? Nov 03 20:49:18 lcuk: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter05/generalinstructions.html Nov 03 20:49:26 do you see the 3rd yellow box? Nov 03 20:49:58 or the grey box at the bottom? Nov 03 20:50:10 "[!] Note, you must be wearing underpants before installing this software" ? Nov 03 20:50:27 that's a recommendation, not a requirement Nov 03 20:50:45 but yes, if you can read that page it makes you a minority Nov 03 20:51:07 lots of people skip over that page onto the next and then get stuck Nov 03 20:51:29 my eyes glazed after four first words Nov 03 20:51:41 also people thank me for my "hints" which are really just glorified sh scripts Nov 03 20:52:19 ps CosmoHill Nov 03 20:52:23 that final greybox Nov 03 20:52:39 3c Nov 03 20:52:43 says " c. Follow the book's instructions for building the package. Nov 03 20:52:43 " Nov 03 20:52:54 the it says delete it Nov 03 20:53:03 a sadist might say, when does it get installed? Nov 03 20:53:32 ah I see Nov 03 20:53:42 each page installs it but I see what you mean Nov 03 20:54:13 the scariest part of that Nov 03 20:54:20 is i understand most of what its going on about! Nov 03 20:54:22 :P Nov 03 20:54:29 yay Nov 03 20:54:41 its pushed out so much good stuff tho Nov 03 20:54:45 me too, but it's very rough. Nov 03 20:54:59 however will i win at christmas simpsons trivia now! Nov 03 20:55:06 "rough"? that's very bad Nov 03 20:55:19 its an outline Nov 03 20:56:07 TSCHAKeee2, perhaps similar newbies guide to how you can help" would be better to steer someone towards Nov 03 20:56:12 rather than pushing them away Nov 03 20:56:45 on LFS with some users, you can see people drop out of supporting them Nov 03 20:56:49 *nod* Nov 03 20:57:05 so 5 or 6 people start helping them and it ends up with just me and the user in a very quiet channel Nov 03 20:58:40 CosmoHill, it happens everywhere Nov 03 20:58:51 it does. Nov 03 20:59:07 * lcuk used to go through phases with customers spending hours on the phone Nov 03 20:59:11 it has slowly been improving with us, as more people dig in and help Nov 03 20:59:23 that's cool Nov 03 20:59:53 we have a decent set of regulars, two of which I've promoted to ops Nov 03 20:59:54 we get a new dev that digs in roughly every 9 months Nov 03 21:00:07 9 months you say...? Nov 03 21:00:15 yup Nov 03 21:00:23 sounds organic ;-) Nov 03 21:00:43 they typically work in 3 month stretches, then they go away for a bit, and come back Nov 03 21:02:10 where we really have issue is we have very few people willing to dig into the C++ parts of the code Nov 03 21:02:11 <_MeeGoBot_> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind. Nov 03 21:02:24 * TSCHAKeee2 chuckles Nov 03 21:02:48 but we did get a new guy, a few weeks ago who has been helping us smash bugs.. so i am glad Nov 03 21:03:12 hulk angry, Nov 03 21:03:14 once we get the bugs out of our bug queue, i'll spend serious time writing site copy, documentation, Nov 03 21:03:17 hulk smash bugs Nov 03 21:03:22 hehehe Nov 03 21:03:49 Hi Nov 03 21:03:53 hi dneary \o Nov 03 21:03:56 Anyone here know Valgrind well? Nov 03 21:04:02 * lcuk opens a bottle of something Nov 03 21:04:03 lcuk, You do, I know you do Nov 03 21:04:09 * TSCHAKeee2 runs for cover Nov 03 21:04:19 DawnFoster, fly over to the UK, its evening time, you can start now! Nov 03 21:04:23 dneary, nope Nov 03 21:04:32 lcuk, I bet you could explain how to profile an application & fix a performance issue with Valgrind Nov 03 21:04:35 i do not know valgrind because it did not work on arm Nov 03 21:04:57 TSCHAKeee2, Are you going to Dublin? Nov 03 21:05:02 i just made my code work when i did it Nov 03 21:05:20 lcuk, You use it on x86 to find problems Nov 03 21:05:23 dneary: nope, my travel budget has been completely deflated... Nov 03 21:05:31 i will make it to the next one tho. Nov 03 21:05:40 dneary, that assumed that the x86 xephyr or qemu would use YUV which I needed Nov 03 21:05:40 Hmmm... still short a valgrind tutorialler Nov 03 21:05:46 i really have no experience with valgrind Nov 03 21:06:11 lcuk: excellent idea :) Nov 03 21:06:42 dneary, I will be running into valgrind more often tho :) Nov 03 21:06:42 * TSCHAKeee2 has bounced around the planet going to concerts..and I have another 6 more to go, including seeing The Fall, in London on the 23rd Nov 03 21:07:43 DawnFoster, actually, if you just set your clock to Euro zone, you can say you are tele-drinking in a conference! Nov 03 21:10:22 valgrind on arm was something i recall reading Nov 03 21:10:51 lcuk: yeah, it was completed not long ago Nov 03 21:11:14 well, "completed". Nov 03 21:11:40 the website is out of date also then Nov 03 21:11:41 http://valgrind.org/info/platforms.html Nov 03 21:12:30 TSCHAKeee2: how hard is the C++ you're talking about? Nov 03 21:12:32 http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/dist.news.html Nov 03 21:18:46 CosmoHill: it's not...hard.. there's just a lot of it Nov 03 21:18:53 ah Nov 03 21:18:54 CosmoHill: we have a lot of interconnecting parts Nov 03 21:58:18 Jaffa, Ping? Nov 03 22:10:27 Hi, If I want to track with efforts towards 1.2 should I upgrade packages based off of 1.1 or download and reinstall fresh images on a somewhat routine basis? Nov 03 22:11:29 f/win 54 Nov 03 22:12:13 Aard: ? Nov 03 22:12:38 that was supposed to take me to irssi window 54 :) Nov 03 22:14:28 Aard: http://niklas.laxstrom.name/page/eng/irssi Nov 03 22:16:04 Myrtti: hey, I've been too lazy in all those years to adjust the window changing bindings to work properly with dvorak... Nov 03 22:18:53 Aard: so you need to set up only the ten first properly and the rest is easy :-P Nov 03 22:19:41 yeah, maybe soon... :) Nov 03 22:30:44 hi, i have a question: is possible to install MeeGo on Nokia C3-00? Nov 03 22:31:09 lukaso666: short answer. No. Nov 03 22:31:28 not so short answer: No, because nobody has ported it. Nov 03 22:31:53 TSCHAkeee2, thanks :) Nov 03 22:46:53 hey guys ..i know that seems a little bit retarted .. but i cant seem to find the logout button in meego :S:S Nov 03 22:48:27 its urgent :D ... i need to logout Nov 03 22:48:37 on the website? Nov 03 22:48:55 hit the power button Nov 03 22:49:53 hmmm ... wont that shutdown ? Nov 03 22:49:58 yes it will Nov 03 22:50:34 thats not very amazing :( Nov 03 22:51:04 ok thanx anyway Nov 03 23:34:52 DawnFoster, I like your book. Most of your advice is common sense about how to avoid boorish behavior, but the advice is easier to recite than to follow. If I read your book from cover to cover, then I don't have to read Jono's too, right? Nov 03 23:36:02 Alison_Chaiken: ha! Jono has a different take on some things, so it might be interesting to read both (his is a bit longer) :) Nov 03 23:36:24 Alison_Chaiken: happy to hear that you are enjoying the book Nov 03 23:37:59 DawnFoster, it's easy to blithely dismiss your advice as being all obvious, but I notice that not everyone is following it all the time! Your years of thinking about responsible community participation are evident though. Nov 03 23:38:58 yeah, the audience for that book is companies making their first entry into communities. Nov 03 23:39:26 I wrote most of it when I was consulting and you would be amazed at the boneheaded things companies try to do in communities Nov 03 23:40:11 By the way, does anyone have a contact at Wind River here in the Bay Area? Quim was interested in having our MeeGo meetup at different venues and Wind River came to my mind, but the folks I pinged there have so far not answered. Nov 03 23:43:39 DawnFoster: you mean like Oracle ? :-) Nov 04 00:01:44 cyas Nov 04 00:03:12 CosmoHill: night Nov 04 00:03:24 bonne nuit niala Nov 04 00:03:29 CosmoHill: om win 7-0 :) Nov 04 01:26:07 Hey all Nov 04 01:28:35 sup Nov 04 02:07:00 Does anybody happen to know how to re-integrate chrome so that history shoes up in "myzone"? Nov 04 02:08:13 shows** **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 04 02:59:57 2010