**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 08 02:59:57 2010 Nov 08 07:03:33 HI Nov 08 07:33:10 moin Nov 08 07:34:38 hola Nov 08 07:34:52 hello Nov 08 07:36:20 * hvenus creating madde target Nov 08 07:36:49 Monday, eh. Nov 08 07:39:40 I need more coffee... Nov 08 07:49:07 "Maxwell House" Nov 08 08:20:11 are there any common meego guidelines regarding tags used in bugzilla bug titles? (meaning [FEA] etc) Nov 08 08:40:03 oh lord, I'm moving to the dark side. I just paid for Spotify Premium so I could use their Linux client Nov 08 08:40:42 God Nov 08 08:41:02 such horror, paying for nice services! Nov 08 08:41:49 and losing the voice of Jonathan sure is a downside Nov 08 08:42:08 it was the Spanish ad I wanted to get rid of Nov 08 08:42:17 lol Nov 08 08:42:45 X-Fade: can i borrow 5.4gb on repository.maemo.org to upload first attempt at 'meego' armv6+vfp? Nov 08 08:42:48 :P Nov 08 08:43:06 last.fm are quitting the radio stations I paid for Nov 08 08:43:13 so I might as well pay more to get more. Nov 08 08:44:19 Stskeeps: Sure, you should have space there. Nov 08 08:44:24 k Nov 08 08:44:36 Myrtti: what's the first impression of the linux client? I'm only using the win32 client through wine from time to time. Nov 08 08:45:02 dm8tbr: I can't see the difference - apart from the fact that there's no ads. ;-) Nov 08 08:45:19 :) Nov 08 08:45:28 I've not used Spotify too much, I've had a love-hate relationship with it since I first heard of it Nov 08 08:45:31 X-Fade: took a week for me to build 1081 packages on a dual xeon 1.8ghz 512mb machine Nov 08 08:45:54 Stskeeps: Hehe, yeah. Probably a lot of loops too? Nov 08 08:46:13 X-Fade: actually it was surprisingily linear once i disabled gcc and glibc build Nov 08 08:46:33 I can tell one difference: Nov 08 08:46:49 "native" linux client actually works on lucid/meerkat Nov 08 08:46:57 or gives out sound Nov 08 08:47:08 hi there Nov 08 08:47:14 hhurtta: I'm using lucid and the wine version worked fine Nov 08 08:47:16 Stskeeps: Once we got all this OBS setup sorted out, we might want to reserve some hardware in the future for bringing up other archs etc. Nov 08 08:47:23 :nod: Nov 08 08:47:57 Myrtti: goood for you. there are plenty of users out there without working spotify :( Nov 08 08:48:20 might be some sound-layer issue? Nov 08 08:48:28 never had problems on debian Nov 08 08:49:18 dm8tbr: sound layer it is. there are some instructions and workarounds in the forums but none of them ultimately helped me Nov 08 08:49:31 aw crap, I started thinking about wine and pulseaudio problems and misbraided my hair Nov 08 08:49:44 the best i could get out was almost working sound; it had annoying noises like every few seconds Nov 08 08:49:45 Forgive my Qt ignorance, but what is skia ? Nov 08 08:49:56 slaine: android's graphics rendering toolkit (not UI) Nov 08 08:50:14 also base of chrome graphics Nov 08 08:50:22 http://code.google.com/p/skia/ Nov 08 08:50:34 Stskeeps: ah, thanks Nov 08 08:50:40 hhurtta, dm8tbr: I'm on lucid xubuntu and I've tweaked my sound settings until they squeak to make voice over ip work on various methods Nov 08 08:57:40 Myrtti: I kind of expected that you did. :) Nov 08 09:13:12 Hello! Nov 08 09:14:03 wello Nov 08 09:15:00 Does anyone know which package is the image that appears at the beginning of Meego OS? Nov 08 09:19:41 plymouth-lite maybe Nov 08 09:21:49 ok... thank you! Nov 08 09:22:53 morning Nov 08 09:23:00 morning Nov 08 09:23:10 hey slaine Nov 08 09:45:14 brrrlllh. Nov 08 09:45:32 mmmkay Nov 08 09:45:59 cold... :-( Nov 08 09:46:21 first snow! Nov 08 09:46:39 who could be like :( on that? Nov 08 09:47:34 oh, snow I love, but I did a visit to the kitchen and handled cold water and eggs Nov 08 09:48:32 :) Nov 08 09:50:38 Moo, Myrtti Nov 08 09:51:35 first snow + morning bike trip + haircut = airheaded feeling + slightly nippy face Nov 08 09:54:23 I'm just low on iron again, time to take some supplements Nov 08 10:44:04 hello Nov 08 10:44:15 hello http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKxMzc6Rig4&feature=related Nov 08 10:44:27 wopps sorry wrong window Nov 08 11:05:33 morning everyone Nov 08 11:06:22 does anybody know whether Qt 4.7 (and in particular Qt Quick) is currently supported on MeeGo? Nov 08 11:07:21 it's noon Nov 08 11:07:53 lorp: yes, it's in the core packages Nov 08 11:09:15 tekojo: do you know if there are some multimedia APIs that still need to be ported to Qt Quick on MeeGo? Nov 08 11:09:59 lorp: sorry, I not that deep into development Nov 08 11:10:07 oliwer: well, still 11 in the UK... :-) Nov 08 11:10:50 tekojo: ok thanks I'll try to get hold of some Qt maintainers and ask them Nov 08 11:11:07 lorp: I guess you would for now need to do the multimedia part with C++ and then use QML for the UI Nov 08 11:11:09 * _MeeGoBot_ frowns at tekojo Nov 08 11:11:57 What's with _MeeGoBot_ ? Nov 08 11:12:48 _MeeGoBot_, do you think something different about? Nov 08 11:12:49 <_MeeGoBot_> lorp: Sorry, I've no idea what 'do you think something different about' might be. Nov 08 11:13:12 afaiui at least mozbots have been known to frown at C++ Nov 08 11:13:57 sp3000: sounds like a possibility Nov 08 11:14:06 well, seems like that the configuration is not totally removed :) Nov 08 11:14:10 dm8tbr: ^^ Nov 08 11:14:29 rheeet! Nov 08 11:14:31 <_MeeGoBot_> rheeeeeeet! Nov 08 11:14:34 :) Nov 08 11:14:35 seems like it's a standard setting in mozbots Nov 08 11:14:52 what's going on here? Nov 08 11:15:03 lorp: ignore the bot.. we set up a bug to easier being able to do: Nov 08 11:15:07 bug 666 Nov 08 11:15:09 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=666 enh, Low, ---, ovek, ASSI, X-OSSO-BOUND property on Maemo Nov 08 11:15:15 a bot, i mean Nov 08 11:15:25 and it seems like it comes with some prejudices by automatic, by accident Nov 08 11:15:28 ok, I got it :) Nov 08 11:15:47 the guy who runs the bot is working to remove those Nov 08 11:16:16 Stskeeps: yes, didn't get around to restarting it Nov 08 11:16:28 sp3000: it is a mozbot Nov 08 11:19:05 Stskeeps, do you know if there are any differences in the implementation of Qt Quick between Notebook and N900? Nov 08 11:19:14 lorp: one uses GLES2, the other uses GL Nov 08 11:19:21 besides that, not afaik Nov 08 11:19:22 right Nov 08 11:19:31 thanks Nov 08 11:19:45 when you say n900, i speak of meego n900 Nov 08 11:20:06 yes I meant meego n900 Nov 08 11:21:42 * fcrozat can't get meego 1.1 booting with uboot on PR 1.3 using mmc card Nov 08 11:22:08 what guide did you follow and what brand sd card? Nov 08 11:22:53 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot Nov 08 11:23:01 sandisk card IIRC Nov 08 11:23:06 size? Nov 08 11:23:10 got kernel panic, it couldn't find root Nov 08 11:23:13 8GB :) Nov 08 11:23:24 SDHC card Nov 08 11:23:30 could it be related ? Nov 08 11:24:15 (and btw, reinstalling kernel-flasher doesn't override uboot on the system, I still get the question at startup) Nov 08 11:24:29 fcrozat: how about kernel and kernel-flasher? Nov 08 11:24:35 fcrozat: is your back cover on? Nov 08 11:25:01 Stskeeps: hmm, I don't think the cover was back in its place Nov 08 11:25:17 I was using plain 1.3 system (no kernel change) Nov 08 11:25:53 (I don't have the SD card here, so I'll need to re-check tonight with the cover) Nov 08 11:26:01 that's probably why then Nov 08 11:26:11 then I'll modify the wiki :) Nov 08 11:26:26 "make sure to put back the cover " ;) Nov 08 11:26:54 should re-installing kernel-flasher override uboot from boot loader ? Nov 08 11:43:03 Stskeeps: hi, I saw your posts about nokia n810 and meego, does it work perfectly, pdf viewers, usb network and so on ? Nov 08 11:43:18 yes and it has pink ponies too Nov 08 11:43:24 in practice, no, we're not there at all Nov 08 11:43:46 ouch Nov 08 11:53:03 let's see if _MeeGoBot_ still triggers on c++ Nov 08 11:53:21 ok, hopefully fixed now Nov 08 11:53:41 _MeeGoBot_ << "Hello" << endl; Nov 08 11:53:42 <_MeeGoBot_> CosmoHill: Sorry, I've no idea what '<< "Hello" << endl;' might be. Nov 08 11:53:57 i forgot to declare the namespace Nov 08 12:00:36 * CosmoHill looks outside and whimpers Nov 08 12:00:47 I don't want to ride my bike in that Nov 08 12:42:34 has anyone got the meego-panel-web source tarball? Nov 08 12:42:58 ive tried the srpm, but it looks like the tarball in there is corrupt Nov 08 12:43:28 try downloading it again Nov 08 12:43:32 file a bug Nov 08 12:43:33 and check the checksum Nov 08 12:46:48 cyas Nov 08 13:23:56 dl9pf_, where did the recent toolchain meeting you posted minutes for actually occur? Nov 08 13:34:25 telco Nov 08 13:36:04 dl9pf_, cool, thanks for posting, but could you indicate that in other logs - i went looking for the actual log on #meego-meeting to see if i had missed it there Nov 08 14:03:41 lcuk: yes, ack. Nov 08 14:05:15 Just to check... The expectation is still that the first meego phone will be out sometime around the middle of next year, right? Nov 08 14:05:56 well, we have the n900 ;p Nov 08 14:06:12 *grin* Nov 08 14:06:28 and I plan to try that out, yeah :-) Nov 08 14:06:59 but I have one phone due an upgrade in a week and another around the middle-to-end of next year Nov 08 14:07:34 and I'm wondering if I should grab an android phone to see how it's improved now, and leave the meego one until it's out :-) Nov 08 14:07:55 hmm. I guess I should at least wait until after the conference :-) Nov 08 14:08:51 Stskeeps: what's the current Meego drops like on the N900 actually using it as a real phone/device? Nov 08 14:09:47 DJWillis: it's not dogfood material yet but a very cool tech demo Nov 08 14:09:59 Stskeeps: nice. Nov 08 14:10:10 Stskeeps: got a sudden urge to try and get 1.1 going on the Joggler with EMGD but not sure I really want the pain ;). Nov 08 14:10:41 Stskeeps: cool, may have to try and get hold of an N900 again or bring it up again on the OpenPandora. Nov 08 14:11:26 DJWillis: people already have meego on openpandora, afaik Nov 08 14:11:33 there's a stupid fonts issue though Nov 08 14:12:49 Stskeeps: yep, I was bouncing ideas about that back and forward but not sure if it was solved. Been a while since I tried it as I have been working on the devices shipping firmware (so OE/Angstrom). Nov 08 14:13:15 DJWillis: feel free to track #meego-arm , the new cool place ;) Nov 08 14:13:47 Stskeeps: Danke! ;-) Nov 08 14:14:16 we work in the open so there's usually a lot of activity, at least during the day.. Nov 08 14:15:07 Stskeeps: but you don't have any more idea about hardware than anyone else, I guess? :- Nov 08 14:15:10 ) Nov 08 14:15:43 ccooke: i'm blissfully ignorant of any hardware plans Nov 08 14:15:51 Stskeeps: *grin* Nov 08 14:39:45 Big Inte SmartTV ads about the place Nov 08 14:39:48 Intel Nov 08 14:40:08 Is that GoogleTV only are is there a MeeGo twist that I've not seen yet Nov 08 14:40:23 slaine: i'm actually not sure Nov 08 14:40:40 slaine: i think it's a concept, but let me know if you find out more Nov 08 14:40:49 will do Nov 08 14:40:54 perhaps theres something pending Nov 08 14:41:09 for ref, http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/smarttv/index.htm?dfaid=1&crtvid=39147462; Nov 08 14:42:17 Learn more about Intel, Google, Sony and Logitech joining forces to deliver smart TV Nov 08 14:51:10 Hi all Nov 08 14:51:29 afternoon dneary - great article :) Nov 08 14:51:41 Stskeeps, Thanks Nov 08 14:51:45 I tried to be balanced Nov 08 14:51:54 Don't know if I succeeded :) Nov 08 14:52:18 only thing i noted a bit was the kernel option stuff, but i guess that's also a complicated issue to explain Nov 08 14:52:47 there was another interesting article published today, sec.. Nov 08 14:53:03 http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/11/08/guest-post-symbian-os-one-of-the-most-successful-failures-in-tech-history/ Nov 08 14:53:11 in terms of platform challenges Nov 08 14:56:40 morn qgil Nov 08 15:04:02 lcuk: you said you might be able to find me the repo lines I'm missing to save me a full reinstall Nov 08 15:04:04 Why do all of the interesting things appear on Monday, AFTER mwkn has been published. Nov 08 15:04:34 GAN900: because it's monday? Nov 08 15:04:41 Evidently Nov 08 15:04:58 Maybe worth pushing back the release day. Nov 08 15:05:19 GAN900: because there is a huge crunch to publish anything worthwhile on friday by noon, which leaves extra hours to delve into the more ... inquisitive and thoughtful subjects? Nov 08 15:06:48 Wasn't a serious question. :P Nov 08 15:12:39 marnanel, i just mailed you the contents of my /etc/zypp/repos.d folder to let you compare repos i have vs the ones you have Nov 08 15:16:04 this is a wrong channel to ask this, but - if I lost my credit card and will get a replacement soon, will the card number still be the same? Nov 08 15:16:24 so, will e.g. hotels be able to use the credentials for the card Nov 08 15:16:42 villev: No, it will change. Nov 08 15:16:49 crap Nov 08 15:17:16 villev: that's kind of the whole idea of them issuing a new card Nov 08 15:17:21 villev: But it should not matter too much. They have either used your card to pre-auth a certain amount, or they did nothing. Nov 08 15:17:41 Ehm or charged the full amount already, I mean. Nov 08 15:18:07 yeah, problem is I'd wanted to use the cart today/tomorrow Nov 08 15:18:26 but, I guess I'll need to use another card then (while waiting for the new one) Nov 08 15:18:30 Yeah, that won't work then. Nov 08 15:18:42 Not until you have the new number and activated the card. Nov 08 16:28:28 Hi everyone Nov 08 16:30:17 does anyone know where I can find/download the kernel sources for release 1.1? Nov 08 16:30:59 repo.meego.com Nov 08 17:21:09 @thiago... i'm browsing through the repo and... i can't find the package kernel sources... Nov 08 17:22:12 called kernel-*.src.pm Nov 08 17:22:14 rpm Nov 08 17:24:34 is this path correct? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/ Nov 08 17:25:13 jsargiox: correct for what? what are you looking for? Nov 08 17:25:32 kernel sources for MeeGo 1.1 Nov 08 17:25:40 hi all. can MeeGO surf on internet? Nov 08 17:25:52 ops sorry! :) I mean... MeeGO IVI Nov 08 17:26:28 IVI has fennec, so yeah, it has a web browser Nov 08 17:26:46 jsargiox: kernel sources for netbook is what you need? Nov 08 17:27:33 yes... i'm trying to recompile the kernel to allow access to nfs... Nov 08 17:27:39 jsargiox: look here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ Nov 08 17:28:36 auke: that's it! Nov 08 17:28:42 auke: thanks! Nov 08 17:33:41 is geolocation supported by Fennec on MeeGO? Nov 08 17:40:13 qgil, Ping? Nov 08 17:44:00 Saw this morning on MIT mailing list that Tesla Motors is hiring folks to work on IVI. Would be cool if Tesla used MeeGo! Nov 08 17:50:54 lbt: ping Nov 08 18:07:00 fist stab to http://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap - waiting for content owners now. If you know of any page with roadmaps / plans please link it there Nov 08 19:46:09 if you have an apple tree outside and you have a lot of apples that you want to store... it's hard to find answers on the internet... Nov 08 19:46:38 could be worse Nov 08 19:46:55 you could be trying to find a grocery store that sells apples Nov 08 19:48:50 lbt: bogna's father stores apples in a cold (10 C or colder) basement with ventilation and in cardboard boxes and it hasn't killed them yet.. they also make 'dry applets' or juice, though Nov 08 19:48:56 err, dry apples Nov 08 19:49:40 mmmm ... are they just "in boxes" .... no wrapping up or anything? Nov 08 19:50:52 just standing in the boxes (you know, without closed top) Nov 08 19:54:37 Stskeeps knows how to store apples as we've been doing the same here for decades :) Nov 08 19:55:14 great, now we know where everyone can put their unused ipods and stuff Nov 08 19:55:19 well, my father in law has a degree in food sciences, so i have to listen to his things.. :P Nov 08 19:55:33 makes -excellent- wine, perfect for getting drunk :P Nov 08 19:55:42 Cardboard or wooden crates, lots of old newspapers, wrap each apple into a crumpled newspaper, make sure there isa lot of pper between them Nov 08 19:56:52 DawnFoster: did you like the chocolate? Nov 08 19:56:56 ...while my family just has a huge garden :) Nov 08 19:57:00 Same should work for i-stuff =) Nov 08 19:58:36 apples boxed Nov 08 20:01:52 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11713192 <- well, seems like symbian foundation is dead Nov 08 20:02:30 considering the necessary elements of a foundation kinda walked away, I'm not surprised Nov 08 20:02:33 wow Nov 08 20:03:08 repeating story again? Nov 08 20:03:09 oh how shocking just when everyone started to like symbian Nov 08 20:03:44 this was rather good analysis about symbian: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/11/08/guest-post-symbian-os-one-of-the-most-successful-failures-in-tech-history/ Nov 08 20:04:11 yeah, thought so too - we have to walk a fine line in meego too though Nov 08 20:04:34 Stskeeps: for some reason, Conversations chat window looks kinda messed up for a reason when using hildon-theme-example, is it a known bug? Nov 08 20:05:54 Aranel: you'll have to ask the theme guys.. pr1.2 or pr1.3? Nov 08 20:06:15 Stskeeps: 1.3 Nov 08 20:06:35 I think all my phones have been symbian Nov 08 20:06:43 Stskeeps: can't I revert back to original layout? which is already in use for default theme? Nov 08 20:07:25 Aranel, what is "messed up"? Nov 08 20:08:24 andre__: Stskeeps: here it is: http://i55.tinypic.com/2vw6adt.png there's a very ugly scrollbar, touch scrolling doesn't work and avatar/bubble layout looks bad. Nov 08 20:10:38 Aranel: did you reboot? Nov 08 20:10:51 Aranel: also, .. are you using the example raw? Nov 08 20:11:02 Aranel: there hasn't been any changes since january 29 of the stuff i used Nov 08 20:12:04 Stskeeps: I got the hildon-theme-example-stskeeps but I customized it to create my own theme. Nov 08 20:12:21 Stskeeps: oops, no :| I didn't reboot. Nov 08 20:33:59 thiago_home: it was delicious! Thank you! Nov 08 20:40:36 http://qa-reports.meego.com/ cool Nov 08 20:43:18 Stskeeps: rebooted, still same. Nov 08 20:44:05 Aranel: hmm. Nov 08 20:44:13 Aranel: white background attempt in theme? Nov 08 20:44:15 DawnFoster: shall I bring some more to Dublin? Nov 08 20:44:41 Stskeeps: nope It's grey. Nov 08 20:44:52 Aranel: well, ask the Design section on talk.maemo.org Nov 08 20:44:54 Stskeeps: here's a screenshot: http://i55.tinypic.com/2vw6adt.png Nov 08 20:45:32 :nod: i have no idea, sorry Nov 08 20:45:34 ok, thanks anyway. Nov 08 20:45:57 thiago_home: probably not - I'm already running extra miles to burn that first batch off ;) Nov 08 20:48:39 hi does meego support the archos 9, in ubuntu I use a poulsbo driver, but I have high hopes for the intel embedded graphics driver Nov 08 20:52:23 but... this just in (in french) http://qt.developpez.com/actu/23148/Symbian-devient-l-OS-embarque-Europeen-Bruxelles-versera-11-millions-d-Euros-a-sa-Fondation-les-anglo-saxons-ne-comprennent-pas Nov 08 20:53:14 It says here that Europe capital E will give 11M€ to "The Symbian Foundation"..? Nov 08 20:53:32 well, symbian foundation still continues as a licensing thing, i guess Nov 08 20:53:39 * rhalff *joins symbian foundation* Nov 08 20:55:58 Stskeeps:Probably won't live until next fall Nov 08 20:56:19 Stskeeps:Looks like that EU grant is solely to give Symbian people timeto find new jobs :) Nov 08 20:56:21 px_: it's not just in... the news are from last week Nov 08 20:56:35 but the number last week was 22 M€ Nov 08 20:57:06 22 million / 100 people = 220k/person Nov 08 20:57:24 massive inflation in euroland? 50% in 1 week Nov 08 20:57:42 Which probably comes down to the annual salary + taxes + expenses for one employee Nov 08 21:03:47 meego for netbooks include the iegd driver also ? Nov 08 21:09:00 rhalff: no Nov 08 21:10:09 auko, hm ok, will stick with moblin then, the driver seems to work fine, only a bit blueish unfortunatly Nov 08 21:10:51 or maybe that's the way xfce behaves (i hope) :) Nov 08 21:11:07 * rhalff it is Nov 08 21:13:24 MeeGo doesn't ship Xfce Nov 08 21:13:38 it's not even in the MeeGo official repos anymore Nov 08 21:14:27 auke:My version came with twm =) Nov 08 21:14:37 auke, that intel driver is weird I think, only meebo 2.1 seems to be supported, it works great though Nov 08 21:14:39 every version that has X has twm Nov 08 21:14:47 but I have no network, and I miss apt-get to get it running Nov 08 21:14:50 what is "meebo" ? Nov 08 21:14:55 guess I have to switch to fedora Nov 08 21:15:09 uhh, moblin Nov 08 21:15:14 what's in a name.. :p Nov 08 21:48:42 I got a very odd problem. In Conversations window, a scrollbar appeared and touch scrolling is not working anymore. http://i55.tinypic.com/2vw6adt.png Google'd about it but couldn't find anything. Nov 08 22:06:18 Aranel: and that is MeeGo? Looks like Maemo. Nov 08 22:06:30 oops sorry, wrong channel :) Nov 08 22:06:48 lol and I was wondering why #maemo is too silent tonight :P Nov 08 22:12:03 * CosmoHill needs to write a covering letter for a fictitious company Nov 08 22:18:31 What package-system is used by meego? debs? Nov 08 22:18:41 rpm Nov 08 22:20:06 (at last, a question I can answer without using the words "I think") Nov 08 22:31:34 * slaine gets more coffee Nov 08 22:44:42 vgrade, you there ? Nov 08 22:46:23 does meego netbook still only support intel graphics? Nov 08 22:46:29 yes Nov 08 22:47:12 right, thanks Nov 08 22:56:33 slaine, hi Nov 08 22:56:54 hey vgrade, long time not chat Nov 08 22:56:58 no chat even Nov 08 22:57:17 CosmoHill: Thanks. What a pity! Nov 08 22:57:30 been busy with the daytime job Nov 08 22:57:39 same here, very busy Nov 08 22:57:43 thankfully Nov 08 22:57:45 gomoran: we've had the deb vs rpm debate from april to may Nov 08 22:57:48 yup Nov 08 22:57:59 hey vgrade Nov 08 22:58:10 hi CosmoHil Nov 08 22:58:47 CosmoHill: The problem is I know how to build debs and don't know how to build rpms – nothing religious here. Nov 08 22:59:08 I think there was talks of RPM workshops Nov 08 22:59:41 vgrade, So the reason I poked you, I was wondering where the generic 686 build effort was left Nov 08 23:00:50 I think Stskeeps and ali1234 did some work on it but I got sidetracked onto the Nexus port Nov 08 23:01:13 CosmoHill: I don't doubt it's possible to learn how to build rpms. Nov 08 23:01:35 there are some nonSSSE projects on the maemo obs in Stskeeps home Nov 08 23:01:58 CosmoHill: I just bought a WeTab and this make it more difficult to do something with it. Nov 08 23:02:19 Slaine, are you wanting to utilise it on some specific hw Nov 08 23:02:57 Yeah, I recall he was looking at creating a set of packages for boot strapping Nov 08 23:03:44 slaine, https://build.obs.maemo.org/project/show?project=home:stskeeps:ssse3_bootstrap Nov 08 23:04:16 vgrade, I've got a ton of ULV Celeron hardware, with the acursed i855 graphics hardware Nov 08 23:04:46 slaine, repo here if you don't have obs login, http://download.obs.maemo.org/home:/stskeeps:/ssse3_bootstrap/current/ Nov 08 23:04:47 Things have finally fallen into shape with the Intel driver git master for this hardware Nov 08 23:04:56 gomoran: the wetab is not really meego, only uses parts of meego core Nov 08 23:05:43 Aard: I know. But there is meego “under the roof” Nov 08 23:06:06 slaine, are you going to the conf? Nov 08 23:06:18 Yeah, you ? Nov 08 23:06:22 Aard: basically it's a meego with an other GUI – as far as I know. Nov 08 23:07:18 slaine, 50:50 at the moment, we have an important delivery on the day job Nov 08 23:07:53 yeah, same here, but screw it, I work hard enough Nov 08 23:08:07 gomoran: I wouldn't be too surprised if they adjusted parts of meego core as well. though I didn't bother to check it when someone had a wetab with him last week, not really interested in that thing Nov 08 23:08:25 slaine, do you have any hardware to contribute to a port? Nov 08 23:08:41 Aard: Why not? It's nice hardware. Nov 08 23:08:56 possibly Nov 08 23:09:11 the main hardware is quite specialized and as a result expensive Nov 08 23:09:33 But we've some cheaper boxes that we used for set top boxes Nov 08 23:09:34 slaine, may be a way to push the development of a port Nov 08 23:09:40 nod Nov 08 23:09:48 not really, I'd have expected to finde less powerhungry components. was a bit disappointed when i read the specification Nov 08 23:10:07 Slaine, I'm sure the conf will be a good place to push it Nov 08 23:10:09 I don't there is any shortage of non-ssse3 x86 hardware out there though :) Nov 08 23:10:12 privately I prefer toying with arm-hardware, and at work I got more interesting stuff as well Nov 08 23:12:37 slaine, all our stuff is the bleeding edge due to the graphics in our apps Nov 08 23:13:26 slaine, no ols stuff around anymore Nov 08 23:13:34 old Nov 08 23:13:42 apart from me :) Nov 08 23:13:52 haha, snap Nov 08 23:14:23 We've about 15,000 flatpanel PC's out in hospitals across the world with that setup Nov 08 23:14:53 Another 6,000 with Via CPU's and the CLE266 graphics Nov 08 23:15:15 Only really started getting Atom+945 hardware over the last year or so Nov 08 23:15:33 CLE266? Nov 08 23:15:47 Old Via graphics chipset Nov 08 23:16:09 pretty nice, does some MPEG2 decoding in hardware with XvMC Nov 08 23:16:44 well, it was pretty nice in the first half of the 00's Nov 08 23:17:29 slaine, cle266 rings a bell, I have an itx board in the garage Nov 08 23:17:50 yup, that's the one Nov 08 23:17:58 I've one under my TV as a MythTV box Nov 08 23:18:43 slaine, I would hav thought that you would be looking at ARM (Beagleboards etc) on that sort of scale Nov 08 23:18:59 the pandaboard I was shown looks very nice Nov 08 23:19:15 slaine, or do you have to stick with PC arch for interfaceing? Nov 08 23:19:53 CosmoHill, that seems to be a big topic atm, not looked at it. Nov 08 23:21:00 ah, dual core Arm A9, open gpu drivers? Nov 08 23:21:27 I'd assume so Nov 08 23:21:41 there are guides on their website to installing distros Nov 08 23:21:46 vgrade, I am interested, but manufacturers have traditionally done this stuff as embedded PC's, we tailored our software to suit Nov 08 23:22:43 open gpu drivers? Nov 08 23:22:52 CosmoHill, all my spare time devices have shocking gpu support, Joggler and nexus one Nov 08 23:23:39 nexus one getting 2.3 on thursday apparently Nov 08 23:23:50 javispedro, I was asking if the panda had open graphics drivers, as so many of them don't so your stuck with an old kernel version with nowhere to go Nov 08 23:24:39 vgrade: I'd think not, like most other embedded gpus... Nov 08 23:25:03 vgrade: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tfp410.html Nov 08 23:25:10 I think that's the graphics chip Nov 08 23:25:26 the graphics chip is a standard sgx540 iirc Nov 08 23:26:05 yep, confirming http://pandaboard.org/content/platform Nov 08 23:26:23 so, expect 100% closed user space. Nov 08 23:26:48 powerVR, where have I heard....oh Nov 08 23:27:39 Richard stallman will create an open GPU using his beard hair Nov 08 23:28:06 fyi the DVI port isn't supported yet Nov 08 23:28:39 ScottishDuck: on a FPGA from parts of the HDD he uses as aureole in his Saint personna Nov 08 23:56:30 holy crap o___________O this channel has more people than i expected Nov 08 23:57:30 night all Nov 08 23:57:39 night vgrade Nov 09 00:00:13 bye vgrade Nov 09 00:15:10 time me to head too Nov 09 00:15:16 catch you all tomorrow Nov 09 00:15:22 nights Nov 09 00:26:49 cyas Nov 09 00:45:11 sup nigs Nov 09 00:45:30 * ircmiester is looking for some meego info Nov 09 00:45:46 hey! Nov 09 00:46:04 hey Nov 09 00:46:10 lolloo whats up Nov 09 00:46:18 u have some meego info? Nov 09 00:46:58 hey! yeah I do ircmiester Nov 09 00:47:17 I tried it on my N900 successfully Nov 09 00:47:30 its horribly slow! but fun! Nov 09 00:47:47 also, Xterm is there! +1 for that! Nov 09 00:47:57 wow! Nov 09 00:48:00 and awesome portiat mode homescreen! Nov 09 00:48:03 can you tell me what it is? Nov 09 00:48:20 I also duelboot with maemo Nov 09 00:48:27 what is meego? Nov 09 00:48:33 a database server? Nov 09 00:48:33 hehehe Nov 09 00:48:43 its an OS for phones Nov 09 00:48:55 like Android Nov 09 00:48:57 o Nov 09 00:49:06 i need it for my iPhone Nov 09 00:49:17 you can! Nov 09 00:49:23 just go to meego.com Nov 09 00:49:25 great! Nov 09 00:49:34 you will find threads in forums Nov 09 00:49:36 can i run it on my wristwatch? Nov 09 00:49:42 explaining how to install it! Nov 09 00:49:46 ya Nov 09 00:49:52 ofcourse you do Nov 09 00:49:55 wow! Nov 09 00:50:00 what else??!? Nov 09 00:50:00 laptops, cars Nov 09 00:50:07 coffee makers? Nov 09 00:50:09 ya! Nov 09 00:50:20 anything! Nov 09 00:50:29 wow! Nov 09 00:50:32 this is amazing! Nov 09 00:50:35 it's INTEL and Nokia big project Nov 09 00:50:58 all devices in next year will be using it! Nov 09 00:51:05 check meego.com Nov 09 00:51:08 all? Nov 09 00:51:10 awesome info! Nov 09 00:51:14 all! Nov 09 00:51:28 wowsers! Nov 09 00:51:43 yeah I know! pretty sleeeeek Nov 09 00:51:49 this is amazing! Nov 09 00:52:19 lbt! did u hear? Nov 09 00:52:54 now I can duel-boot on my N900 Nov 09 00:53:07 I have two OSes on my phone! Nov 09 00:53:09 yes! Nov 09 00:53:14 can you run apache? Nov 09 00:53:21 yes you can! Nov 09 00:53:48 wow! Nov 09 00:53:50 amazing! Nov 09 00:53:54 you continue to amaze me! Nov 09 00:54:09 the confrence will be arranged next week Nov 09 00:54:19 you can book you seat! Nov 09 00:54:28 I already booked mine! Nov 09 00:55:01 where? Nov 09 00:55:05 Vegas? Nov 09 00:56:16 no my friend Nov 09 00:56:24 it's in Dublin. Nov 09 00:56:32 <_Bryanstein> dam Nov 09 00:56:35 <_Bryanstein> i can't make it Nov 09 00:56:44 15 november! Nov 09 00:56:57 <_Bryanstein> wow! Nov 09 00:57:00 please come all! this is will be big thing! Nov 09 00:57:12 <_Bryanstein> can i run mysql+php+apache on this Meego ? Nov 09 00:57:26 yes ofcourse Nov 09 00:57:43 it's a complete OS Nov 09 00:57:43 <_Bryanstein> wow! Nov 09 00:57:49 <_Bryanstein> i have a question Nov 09 00:57:54 <_Bryanstein> can i run X on it Nov 09 00:57:55 <_Bryanstein> ??? Nov 09 00:58:05 X is a fundamental part of MeeGo Nov 09 00:58:11 Xterminal Nov 09 00:58:16 yep! Nov 09 00:58:21 its the core! Nov 09 00:58:49 <_Bryanstein> NO! Nov 09 00:58:55 <_Bryanstein> you're just fooling with me! Nov 09 00:58:59 http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture/meego-architecture-layer-view Nov 09 00:59:06 <_Bryanstein> wmarone! did you hear? Nov 09 00:59:08 haha Nov 09 00:59:12 there is lots of information on the official website, most of your questions can be answered there Nov 09 00:59:20 <_Bryanstein> meego lets you run a linux flavor on your phone Nov 09 00:59:22 yes wmarone Nov 09 00:59:27 <_Bryanstein> o Nov 09 00:59:32 <_Bryanstein> you know about it? Nov 09 00:59:58 <_Bryanstein> can i run this os on my iPad ? Nov 09 00:59:58 I hope you all have a great fun and give your feedbacks Nov 09 01:00:04 to make this better! Nov 09 01:00:08 <_Bryanstein> lolloo Nov 09 01:00:17 <_Bryanstein> maybe i can meet up with u at the conference Nov 09 01:00:17 _Bryanstein: possibly, good luck figuring out how Nov 09 01:00:30 yes . Nov 09 01:00:31 <_Bryanstein> wmarone, i dont like your attitude! Nov 09 01:00:37 I will be online here Nov 09 01:00:42 <_Bryanstein> spoon feed me Nov 09 01:00:48 * _Bryanstein is just a troll Nov 09 01:00:57 not a very interesting one Nov 09 01:01:05 lol Nov 09 01:01:07 just kidding Nov 09 01:01:10 hehehe Nov 09 01:01:18 i am a meego troll Nov 09 01:01:19 :) Nov 09 01:01:23 cause I love meego! Nov 09 01:01:27 hope to see you all! Nov 09 01:01:31 me too MrTroll Nov 09 01:01:44 great! Nov 09 01:01:47 lolloo Nov 09 01:01:51 not much action here Nov 09 01:01:56 we should start #ILoveMeego Nov 09 01:02:05 hehehe Nov 09 01:02:15 I'll work the North America hours Nov 09 01:02:41 kewl? Nov 09 01:03:00 kewl Nov 09 01:03:36 man Nov 09 01:03:41 /join #ilovemeego Nov 09 01:04:05 waiskevin ! Nov 09 01:04:12 wasikevin! did u hear about meego? Nov 09 01:04:30 wondering how long I let the bots talk to each other before kicking them :) Nov 09 01:04:33 it's an os for your phone Nov 09 01:04:39 dawnfoster! Nov 09 01:04:44 did u hear about meego? Nov 09 01:04:53 MrTroll, what about meego? Nov 09 01:05:04 it's an os for your phone Nov 09 01:05:06 for your iphone Nov 09 01:05:08 riot! Nov 09 01:05:12 whats up brother? Nov 09 01:05:13 DawnFoster: that's probably enough :) Nov 09 01:05:25 michaelg|nok ! what's up bro Nov 09 01:05:32 did you know meego can run on a coffee maker? Nov 09 01:05:33 have fun all! Nov 09 01:05:41 lolloo me too! Nov 09 01:05:53 i run meego on my new dishwasher Nov 09 01:06:03 sometimes, i gotta wash my pussy out Nov 09 01:06:17 so I run, ./dish_wash -vlo Nov 09 01:06:19 oops Nov 09 01:06:40 fuck Nov 09 01:06:50 thanks Nov 09 01:06:51 wtf man Nov 09 01:06:53 i love meego Nov 09 01:07:08 auke blow me Nov 09 01:07:10 you fat fuck Nov 09 01:07:14 ... Nov 09 01:07:37 hehehe Nov 09 01:08:04 DawnFoster: setting bans is annyong, but more effective :) Nov 09 01:08:34 Hah Nov 09 01:08:36 auke: yeah, I know - it's been a long day :) Nov 09 01:54:07 wow... that was just.... Nov 09 01:54:09 wow Nov 09 01:54:13 lucky I missed that :p Nov 09 02:02:57 http://lwn.net/Articles/413932/ I'm sure you guys are aware of dneary's posting but the comments are worth reading. Nov 09 02:08:39 omg Nov 09 02:13:42 hi, when i attempt to use yum on a fresh meego install it complains about yum not being found Nov 09 02:13:57 however all of the documentation i can find suggests yum should be installed by default, am i missing something? Nov 09 02:14:19 any guide to install meego in vmware or virtual box Nov 09 02:33:50 spvensko, use zypper **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 09 02:59:57 2010