**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 12 02:59:57 2010
Nov 12 03:19:39 * hvenus think.
Nov 12 06:43:35 <whitewine>  Can you log in to your google mail acc right now? I can't It just hangs... o_O
Nov 12 06:47:51 <johnx> whitewine, you mean, like on meego specifically? or even at gmail.com?
Nov 12 06:48:23 <whitewine> gmail.com
Nov 12 06:48:34 <whitewine> I can't access...
Nov 12 06:48:40 <whitewine> Can you?
Nov 12 06:48:49 <johnx> works here
Nov 12 06:49:05 <whitewine> it's only my problem :(
Nov 12 06:49:31 <johnx> I'm sure google uses geo-dns heavily, so your local data center is probably just down
Nov 12 06:50:33 <whitewine> That's right! Local dns is down... :( Firetruck!
Nov 12 06:50:39 <whitewine> Thank you.
Nov 12 07:21:49 <newjor> i am installing sdk1.1,using Xephyr.When i enter "startmeego &",only a black box displayed.what's wrong?please help.
Nov 12 07:23:04 <araujo> newjor, did you properly set the DISPLAY envar?
Nov 12 07:23:33 <newjor> i set Display=:0
Nov 12 07:24:52 <newjor> and the GPU of my host machine is nvidia
Nov 12 07:26:22 <araujo> newjor, try with DISPLAY=:2
Nov 12 07:27:19 <araujo> and also wait for at least 30~40 seconds for the UX to show up
Nov 12 07:28:00 <slonopotamus> newjor: DISPLAY, not Display
Nov 12 08:13:40 <newjor> i have tryed several times.it also doesn't work.when set DISPLAY=:2,nothing displayed,while set DISPLAY=:0,have a black displayed
Nov 12 08:17:38 <newjor> due to the graphics chipset?
Nov 12 08:25:42 <newjor> i have tryed several times.it also doesn't work.when set DISPLAY=:2,nothing displayed,while set DISPLAY=:0,have a black displayed
Nov 12 08:30:01 <newjor> please help me.
Nov 12 08:44:54 <Mat_Matan> morning
Nov 12 08:45:09 <hvenus> good night
Nov 12 08:49:01 * tekojo starts to slowly head to the airport
Nov 12 09:30:14 <Myrtti> *yawn*
Nov 12 09:30:25 <RST38h> moorning, Myrtti
Nov 12 09:31:01 <lcuk> mooo!
Nov 12 09:33:42 <RST38h> lcuk: bacon?
Nov 12 09:34:04 <lcuk> always.
Nov 12 09:34:20 <Myrtti> I have nothing to eat except noodles :-( and it's snowing again... goddammit
Nov 12 09:36:18 <RST38h> At least you are at home.
Nov 12 09:43:12 <lcuk> RST38h, are you coming to Dublin?
Nov 12 09:46:59 <khertan_> Morning
Nov 12 09:47:19 <lcuk> \y khertan_
Nov 12 09:47:23 <lcuk> \o even
Nov 12 10:15:57 <Stskeeps> wazd: how did it go?
Nov 12 10:17:52 <pupnik> nokia should sell pre-release versions of N9 without an OS installed
Nov 12 10:20:53 <khertan_> lol
Nov 12 10:21:25 * khertan_ is quite happy with his n900 on Maemo
Nov 12 10:22:15 <khertan_> pupnik, waiting for software will be better ... how did you will explain to users that n9 is no more than a brick
Nov 12 10:23:11 <pupnik> you don't advertise it at all
Nov 12 10:23:33 <pupnik> just say 'here devs, if you want a device to work on meego cost is xxx euro'
Nov 12 10:23:45 <Stskeeps> buy a n900
Nov 12 10:23:45 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 10:24:01 <pupnik> i'm honestly not happy with the speakers or battery life
Nov 12 10:24:01 * timeless_mbp frowns
Nov 12 10:24:10 <pupnik> otherwise it's godly
Nov 12 10:24:33 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: so, for some reason my MeeGo presentation looks totally different in my n900's browser than when i view it w/ a normal browser
Nov 12 10:24:52 <timeless_mbp> thankfully SlidesToGo works
Nov 12 10:25:06 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: well, at least you'd know who to poke about the issue :)
Nov 12 10:25:19 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: well, it actually "worked"
Nov 12 10:25:29 <timeless_mbp> i was able to give my talk to an audience of 3 (tv out!)
Nov 12 10:25:32 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 12 10:25:48 <timeless_mbp> basically for each slide it picked 1 picture and only showed that
Nov 12 10:25:54 <timeless_mbp> i suspect it picked the last added picture
Nov 12 10:26:11 <timeless_mbp> it was sufficient to do the talk as i had done it
Nov 12 10:26:19 <khertan_> pupnik, dev don't move from their home desktop computer ... so no need for battery
Nov 12 10:26:23 <timeless_mbp> (some slides have no pictures and were invisible, obviously i need to add more pictures)
Nov 12 10:32:39 <TermanaDesire> Not happy with battery life? It lasts 5 hours connected to IRC what are you doing with the thing? ;p
Nov 12 10:39:34 <pupnik> TermanaDesire: a n810 sized device could house 2500mAh of battery.
Nov 12 10:39:44 <pupnik> TermanaDesire: yes 5 hours gets me through half a day
Nov 12 10:40:34 <pupnik> so 1250 * 2 = 2500  (full day)
Nov 12 10:40:38 <lcuk> pah! 2500mAh batteries - what we need is fuel cells or RTGs ;)
Nov 12 10:40:48 <TermanaDesire> pupnik: firstly the n900 isn't an n810 sized device and secondly, do you need to be on orchestra all day?
Nov 12 10:40:52 <lcuk> either stock up on plutonium, or vodka
Nov 12 10:40:52 <TermanaDesire> Irc *
Nov 12 10:41:33 <TermanaDesire> Stupid correction - irc looks nothing like orchestra
Nov 12 10:42:39 <pupnik> TermanaDesire: i not only need to be on orchestra, i need a devic where I can depend on it being *on* when i need a phone
Nov 12 10:46:33 <niala> CosmoHill: hey have you send a storm from uk this night ?
Nov 12 10:46:52 <CosmoHill> we send it with love
Nov 12 10:46:58 <niala> :)
Nov 12 10:46:59 <CosmoHill> and umbrellas
Nov 12 10:47:16 <lcuk> and anything else not strapped down.
Nov 12 10:47:52 <niala> CosmoHill: I have luck my roof doesn't fly.
Nov 12 10:47:55 <niala> hey lcuk
Nov 12 10:48:15 <lcuk> niala, \o
Nov 12 10:48:24 <mksaji> how do I get acces to build.meego.com?
Nov 12 10:48:44 <CosmoHill> yesterday afternoon / evening ( / prevening) it was raining horizontal
Nov 12 10:48:59 <CosmoHill> mksaji: you can't unless you're a trusted meego person
Nov 12 10:49:05 <lcuk> mksaji, do you need specific access to the main builder for integrated OS components, or are you thinking more of the community builder ( https://cbuild.meego.com ) ?
Nov 12 10:49:21 <CosmoHill> you should be able to access build.pub.meego.com
Nov 12 10:49:21 <niala> mksaji: it's for compagny worker
Nov 12 10:49:33 <niala> is open?
Nov 12 10:49:39 <CosmoHill> hmm, my link should be working
Nov 12 10:50:25 <Stskeeps> niala: not for company worker, just people who have to work on meego the OS and have submission rights to send package changes
Nov 12 10:50:49 <Stskeeps> for everything else, random hacking, research, application devel, we have community obs
Nov 12 10:50:59 <mksaji> open?
Nov 12 10:51:09 <mksaji> i dont have a login
Nov 12 10:51:14 <mksaji> how can I get one?
Nov 12 10:52:15 <Stskeeps> for build.meego.com you need to file a bug report against community infrastructure, build service accounts, for cbuild, you ask lbt to flip a switch until the thing is fully deployed
Nov 12 10:52:21 <Stskeeps> with your meego.com account
Nov 12 10:52:44 <lbt> yep
Nov 12 10:52:46 <Mek> but your meego.com accounts needs to be over a month old for the community obs
Nov 12 10:52:48 <mksaji> stskeeps: meego account not working
Nov 12 10:53:00 <Stskeeps> and that
Nov 12 10:53:03 <lbt> not anymore Mek
Nov 12 10:53:08 <lbt> as of 10mins ago
Nov 12 10:53:18 <Mek> ah, so now i should have access?
Nov 12 10:53:31 <lbt> no... ask me again :)
Nov 12 10:53:55 <lbt> I forgot your username
Nov 12 10:54:05 <X-Fade> Mek: He likes you to beg, obviously.
Nov 12 10:54:07 <Mek> username: mkruisselbrink
Nov 12 10:54:12 <CosmoHill> oh bugger, what's my user name >.<
Nov 12 10:54:16 <CosmoHill> and password
Nov 12 10:54:32 <jacekowski> Stskeeps: you were doing some work on uboot?
Nov 12 10:54:42 <lbt> Mek: try
Nov 12 10:55:00 <lbt> it's not cosmo
Nov 12 10:55:26 <Stskeeps> jacekowski: a little bit - everyone nuking their devices is not my fault
Nov 12 10:55:26 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 10:55:44 <CosmoHill> hmm, logged into meego.com but not cbuild.meego.com
Nov 12 10:55:48 <Mek> lbt: thanks, works
Nov 12 10:55:56 <lbt> phew
Nov 12 10:56:01 <jacekowski> Stskeeps: you will probably know more about it then than me
Nov 12 10:56:08 <niala> CosmoHill: user: lostcosmohill pass:far away in the cold
Nov 12 10:56:45 <lbt> CosmoHill: nope... not that pw either
Nov 12 10:57:07 <jacekowski> Stskeeps: how hard would it be to make it around 110k in size and be able to fully initialise device?
Nov 12 10:57:24 <jacekowski> because then i can replace nolo
Nov 12 10:57:43 <Stskeeps> jacekowski: dunno, it's open source, go nuts
Nov 12 10:57:54 <jacekowski> as in get rid of it completly
Nov 12 10:58:10 <jacekowski> i'm not familiar with uboot code
Nov 12 10:58:21 <Stskeeps> me neither, but it's there
Nov 12 10:58:27 <jacekowski> i was thinking that you may know more
Nov 12 10:58:39 <Stskeeps> nop - ali1234 probably
Nov 12 10:58:42 <jacekowski> hmmm i could compress it
Nov 12 10:58:45 <tybollt> Stskeeps: meego will boot off of plain uboot?
Nov 12 10:59:24 <tybollt> that's very interesting for other platforms wanting to use this HW
Nov 12 10:59:25 <lcuk> jacekowski, grep and replace all the binary 0s with 1s - it will compress better.
Nov 12 10:59:27 <Stskeeps> tybollt: we haven't integrated image support for u-boot into weekly images for various reasons
Nov 12 10:59:36 <Stskeeps> tybollt: but it's bootable by uboot
Nov 12 10:59:55 <tybollt> Stskeeps: What I mean is... will uboot be the standard loader down the road?
Nov 12 11:00:27 <Stskeeps> tybollt: i wouldn't personally mind for meego deployment, personally. it is just much easier to drop in a sd card image instead of getting flasher out.
Nov 12 11:00:48 <tybollt> Stskeeps: oui oui
Nov 12 11:01:10 <tybollt> Stskeeps: but ultimately a decision for the suits? :)
Nov 12 11:01:20 <Stskeeps> tybollt: none of us in the team wears suits
Nov 12 11:01:25 <tybollt> ;)
Nov 12 11:02:31 <niala> 77 mails from meego-*  in only 1,5 day.
Nov 12 11:02:54 <Stskeeps> tybollt: in fact, while we were talking, u-boot feature just got accepted in featurezilla
Nov 12 11:06:19 <RST38h> lcuk: nope
Nov 12 11:07:14 <lcuk> thats a shame
Nov 12 11:07:22 <tybollt> Stskeeps: I do not know what featurezilla is, mind explaining or URL me?
Nov 12 11:07:39 <tybollt> ~featurezilla
Nov 12 11:08:17 <Stskeeps> tybollt: sec
Nov 12 11:08:48 <Stskeeps> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9723  , http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Features&query_format=advanced&version=1.2&product=MeeGo%20Core%20OS%20Features
Nov 12 11:09:44 <RST38h> lcuk: next time, when things get more interesting :)
Nov 12 11:13:04 <kempman> kalu1888
Nov 12 11:13:42 <kempman> sorry, typo..
Nov 12 11:14:30 * Jaffa decides on NQS for having a Qt devel environment on his Windows 7 laptop for the conference
Nov 12 11:15:24 <lcuk> making up new TLAs jaffa? :P
Nov 12 11:16:40 <Jaffa> lcuk: "NQS" seemed to be a Nokia sanctioned abbreviation for Nokia Qt SDK ;-)
Nov 12 11:47:26 <Myrtti> wohey!
Nov 12 11:47:38 <Myrtti> DSLAM broke in the neighbourhood
Nov 12 11:48:30 <leinir> eh?
Nov 12 11:48:52 <Myrtti> I'm on my mobile now :-<
Nov 12 11:48:53 <lcuk> Myrtti, thats not good.
Nov 12 11:49:05 <Myrtti> I guess that's a sign it's ok to go for a döner now
Nov 12 11:49:08 <leinir> oh bugger, i see...
Nov 12 11:49:12 <Myrtti> and stop working for a while
Nov 12 11:49:37 <Myrtti> if not call it for the day
Nov 12 11:56:13 <CosmoHill> my friend is such a kid sometimes
Nov 12 11:56:28 * CosmoHill joins his friend watching Cars
Nov 12 11:57:42 <Myrtti> I need to buy Monsters Inc
Nov 12 11:57:51 <CosmoHill> I have it
Nov 12 11:57:57 <CosmoHill> well I had it, my cousin's have it
Nov 12 11:58:05 <CosmoHill> they moved to France...
Nov 12 12:00:41 <Myrtti> HAHA that's brilliant
Nov 12 12:00:49 <Myrtti> got a SMS from the ISP
Nov 12 12:01:40 <Myrtti> "give us feedback on our service for free by replying to this message with "1" The questionnaire has three questions"
Nov 12 12:01:49 <Myrtti> good they didn't send me a link to the questionnaire :-D
Nov 12 12:09:43 <lcuk> ewwwwww the forum.meego.com private message template is awful
Nov 12 12:09:48 * CosmoHill writes 300 words of his dissertation thingy
Nov 12 12:10:05 <lcuk> "New Private Message at Forum"
Nov 12 12:10:25 <lcuk> the email user name is tagged as "Forum"
Nov 12 12:10:40 <lcuk> I had to read content to try to decipher WHICH forum it was
Nov 12 12:20:43 <user> cuckoo
Nov 12 12:21:01 <leinir> sivang: didn't notice the rest of the list of flight info was ordered by time, then? ;)
Nov 12 12:22:13 <CosmoHill> hey leinir
Nov 12 12:22:18 <leinir> Heya :)
Nov 12 12:22:41 <sivang> leinir: hrm no :) was so in hurry whgen adding my name that...
Nov 12 12:22:46 <sivang> and still am :)
Nov 12 12:22:51 <sivang> leinir: Imust not forget those docs!
Nov 12 12:23:03 <leinir> ;)
Nov 12 12:23:18 <leinir> Yup!
Nov 12 12:25:27 <ArthurDownhill> Hay, I'm new here:! :D
Nov 12 12:25:34 <jacekowski> ali
Nov 12 12:25:39 <jacekowski> ehh
Nov 12 12:25:59 <ArthurDownhill> Development going on ? I was thinking of starting meego application project (:
Nov 12 12:26:12 <CosmoHill> RST38h: we need to put your user model up so we can ask new users what group they are in
Nov 12 12:26:13 <jacekowski> i need somebody familiar with uboot code
Nov 12 12:27:48 <leinir> ArthurDownhill: well, what sort of thing are you wanting to do? :)
Nov 12 12:27:54 <ArthurDownhill> Where should I start with my application, download some SDK or something =? LOL
Nov 12 12:28:13 <leinir> Yeah, grab yourself a copy of the MeeGo SDK 1.1 beta :) It was released a couple of days ago :9
Nov 12 12:28:31 <leinir> http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-sdk
Nov 12 12:28:49 <Deiu> Hello!
Nov 12 12:28:52 <ArthurDownhill> Great, first I was thinking about linking social media but I guess that's all made already soo kind of thinking about application still :D
Nov 12 12:28:52 <Stskeeps> hi
Nov 12 12:29:22 <Deiu> Has anyone attempted to install MeeGo on the n900 itself? :)
Nov 12 12:29:40 <Deiu> I'm running into some issues with dd (no space available).
Nov 12 12:29:40 <Stskeeps> way too many times
Nov 12 12:29:47 <ArthurDownhill> But I could make app for few groups to show updates, and if you could add them on Status updates stream.
Nov 12 12:29:59 <Stskeeps> Deiu: what size SD card?
Nov 12 12:30:08 <Deiu> Stskeeps, 8Gb
Nov 12 12:30:14 <Stskeeps> Deiu: how do you dd?
Nov 12 12:30:40 <Deiu> dd if=/path/to/raw of=/dev/mmcb1k1
Nov 12 12:31:02 <Deiu> specifying block size doesn't help either
Nov 12 12:31:18 <Deiu> It writes about 20Mb
Nov 12 12:31:34 <Stskeeps> what raw file and what OS?
Nov 12 12:31:42 <Stskeeps> do you have /dev/mmcblk1? :P
Nov 12 12:31:50 <Stskeeps> and is it actually a device file
Nov 12 12:31:55 <Deiu> sec, let me check
Nov 12 12:32:09 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: you should just write this down somewhere so we can post links to it
Nov 12 12:32:11 <Deiu> (I'm doing this from the n900 itself)
Nov 12 12:32:33 <Stskeeps> we do
Nov 12 12:32:36 <Stskeeps> Deiu: ah..
Nov 12 12:32:43 <Stskeeps> wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900
Nov 12 12:32:43 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 12:34:01 <Deiu> Stskeeps, Thanks
Nov 12 12:34:18 <Deiu> I'm an idiot
Nov 12 12:34:21 <ArthurDownhill> What kind of applications you guys building, can I get any vision ? =D
Nov 12 12:34:29 <ArthurDownhill> to inspirate mine...
Nov 12 12:34:34 <Deiu> That's mmcbL not mmcb1 >_>
Nov 12 12:34:37 <jacekowski> all kinds
Nov 12 12:34:51 <Deiu> Which makes sense...
Nov 12 12:35:40 <ArthurDownhill> SDK only for Ubuntu and Fedora rightt? XS :D
Nov 12 12:35:49 <Stskeeps> ArthurDownhill: for now, only beta :)
Nov 12 12:35:50 <jacekowski> nope it's mmcbl
Nov 12 12:36:04 <jacekowski> it's case sensitive
Nov 12 12:36:07 <ArthurDownhill> pfft, no way to do apps on Win7 then ?
Nov 12 12:36:29 <jacekowski> virtualbox
Nov 12 12:36:31 <Stskeeps> ArthurDownhill: that's in works, fwiw - keep in mind it's just the beta, rest is getting tested
Nov 12 12:36:53 <ArthurDownhill> how much does virtualbox take?
Nov 12 12:36:56 <ArthurDownhill> mbs
Nov 12 12:37:10 <jacekowski> 50
Nov 12 12:37:16 <ArthurDownhill> oh, was it legal ? lol
Nov 12 12:37:22 <jacekowski> +os images
Nov 12 12:37:59 <jacekowski> why it wouldn't be
Nov 12 12:39:24 <leinir> ArthurDownhill: of course it's legal :) Even if it'd been vmware it'd have been legal, even the closed vm solutions have free players ;)
Nov 12 12:39:26 <ArthurDownhill> Yeah stupid question http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads what's right for Win7 32bit lol
Nov 12 12:39:40 <ArthurDownhill> hehe win7 vbox ain't just got it  from that lol.
Nov 12 12:40:22 <jacekowski> just go to virtualbox.org
Nov 12 12:40:27 <leinir> Not really too stupid... 32bit can be hosted on both 32bit and 64bit, whereas 64bit can only be hosted on 64bit... So, as you'll be hosting on 32bit, grab a 32bit image :)
Nov 12 12:40:31 <jacekowski> and click on download
Nov 12 12:40:57 <jacekowski> ArthurDownhill: these are linux versions
Nov 12 12:41:05 <jacekowski> ArthurDownhill: find windows one
Nov 12 12:41:20 <ArthurDownhill> hmmn
Nov 12 12:41:52 <ArthurDownhill> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
Nov 12 12:41:59 <ArthurDownhill> I guess it's the first one then.. lol
Nov 12 12:43:58 <ArthurDownhill> 450kt/s with 3G in middle of nowhere woot! :D
Nov 12 12:44:45 <CosmoHill> wow, I'm at home and I don't even get that
Nov 12 12:45:18 <ArthurDownhill> Finnish Sonera operator :p
Nov 12 12:45:42 <CosmoHill> the first thing I'll do when I get my 3G allowance is go on speedtest.net
Nov 12 12:45:48 <ArthurDownhill> They're making first 4G network here too.
Nov 12 12:46:25 <ArthurDownhill> Got to DC soon because box install bye!
Nov 12 12:47:21 <CosmoHill> bye
Nov 12 12:49:25 <CosmoHill> hey th0br0
Nov 12 12:51:41 <ArthurDownhill2> Heheee, what... select media drive?
Nov 12 12:51:47 <ArthurDownhill2> I ain't got linux CDs lol :D
Nov 12 12:52:25 <ArthurDownhill2> on boot "FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted." what to do ?
Nov 12 12:52:39 <Stskeeps> install linux
Nov 12 12:52:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 12:53:10 <ArthurDownhill2> NOOOO XD
Nov 12 12:53:40 <ArthurDownhill2> I doubt can it be that easy lol
Nov 12 12:53:48 <ArthurDownhill2> doubted*
Nov 12 12:54:38 <CosmoHill> ArthurDownhill2: do you have the meego.img file?
Nov 12 12:54:51 <ArthurDownhill2> Now someone link me to best Linux compatible with MeeGo... I don't want to download 10gb + for vain. :D
Nov 12 12:55:11 <Stskeeps> see the sdk page
Nov 12 12:55:59 <ArthurDownhill2> Ubuntu Lucid (32bit) it shall be then
Nov 12 12:56:45 <Mek> lbt: where are packages built in the community obs supposed to show up? links point to cdownload.meego.com but that hostname doesn't seem to exist
Nov 12 12:57:55 <X-Fade> Mek: http://crepo.meego.com/
Nov 12 12:57:56 <alterego> Is the community obs open now?
Nov 12 12:58:05 <alterego> Can I log in and build stuffs? :)
Nov 12 12:59:44 <Bostik> why do I misread that url every single time as 'creepo...'
Nov 12 12:59:46 <ArthurDownhill2> eeeeef, little confused with download options...
Nov 12 13:00:14 <X-Fade> Bostik: Don't worry, it will get a new name soon.
Nov 12 13:00:18 * CosmoHill wonders why it's using the c*.meego.com naming
Nov 12 13:00:44 <leinir> Bostik: i did that! ;)
Nov 12 13:00:54 <Bostik> well I'm a twisted personality with not just spotty but outright blotted imagination
Nov 12 13:01:45 <ArthurDownhill2> ubuntu-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent - I wonder if this option fine for my AMD 4X 2,66ghz processor lol, and can I specialize installation to lucid on that?
Nov 12 13:02:39 <pexi> don't waste it on linux, use it for gaming while u can
Nov 12 13:02:53 <leinir> Hmm... Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't libmeegotouch supposed to be not used directly?
Nov 12 13:03:26 <ArthurDownhill2> only 700mb what... o.o
Nov 12 13:03:46 <ArthurDownhill2> talkin' to me pexi?
Nov 12 13:04:12 <pexi> yea :)
Nov 12 13:06:40 <ArthurDownhill2> Gonna install this Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) AMD64 (can be run with WIN7 too right?)
Nov 12 13:07:04 <Mek> hmm, on crepo.meego.com I only see i586 versions of my packages, while when I look on cbuild.meego.com the arm version also compiled successfuly
Nov 12 13:15:34 <ArthurDownhill2> How are application animations made for MeeGo platform ?
Nov 12 13:15:52 <ArthurDownhill2> what does it support (file type for animations?)
Nov 12 13:16:27 <ArthurDownhill2> does it support SWF? doubt that...
Nov 12 13:18:04 <Bostik> hmh, just a minute..
Nov 12 13:18:09 <Bostik> I can make an educated guess
Nov 12 13:18:54 <ArthurDownhill2> Got a great idea! :D
Nov 12 13:19:14 <Bostik> oh bugger, libmng may not be in
Nov 12 13:27:12 <ArthurDownhill2> Is there any voicechats for MeeGo?
Nov 12 13:28:07 <wazd_n900> hi all
Nov 12 13:28:23 <ArthurDownhill2> For example can normal person develop Teamspeak app for MeeGo legally without breaking rights?
Nov 12 13:29:13 <Stskeeps> hey wazd_n900
Nov 12 13:29:38 <ArthurDownhill2> I demand to know answers! XD
Nov 12 13:30:09 <dm8tbr> wheee bug 10000 has been filed \o/
Nov 12 13:30:12 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 nor, Undecided, ---, ext-bernd.wachter, NEW, Package upgrade: mkcal 0.1.24 -> 0.2.3
Nov 12 13:31:27 <wazd_n900> I recently saw Cthluhu rising, Jesus walking across the river
Nov 12 13:31:28 <wazd_n900> and my irish visa :D
Nov 12 13:31:33 <Stskeeps> wazd_n900: \o/
Nov 12 13:32:47 <ArthurDownhill2> Anyone know answer to my question above? ^^
Nov 12 13:32:55 <wazd_n900> stskeeps: time to get freakin wasted :D
Nov 12 13:33:41 <Stskeeps> wazd_n900: will you be online tomorrow to plan meeting up in airport?
Nov 12 13:34:05 <Termana> wazd_n900, by your spelling it seems you already are
Nov 12 13:34:06 <Termana> :P
Nov 12 13:34:12 <wazd_n900> a guy with another n900's sitting next to me in the subway :) That's a sign :)
Nov 12 13:37:13 <wazd_n900> stskeeps: sure
Nov 12 13:37:28 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 12 13:37:46 <wazd_n900> stskeeps: I'll be up all night cause my flight is at 9am and the airport is literally on another side of the city
Nov 12 13:37:55 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Nov 12 13:38:05 <Stskeeps> i'll note to look for a zombie
Nov 12 13:38:19 <Myrtti> meh, still no blinkenlights on the adsl modem
Nov 12 13:38:35 <Jaffa> Is there a DART ticket you can buy, btw?
Nov 12 13:38:47 <ArthurDownhill2> I need information lol...
Nov 12 13:39:00 <jacekowski> do you have a bot here with seen feature?
Nov 12 13:39:06 <wazd_n900> yeah : ))
Nov 12 13:39:08 <wazd_n900> this will be my first daytime flight btw :)
Nov 12 13:39:14 <Jaffa> ~seen lbt
Nov 12 13:39:20 <infobot> lbt is currently on #maemo (15h 16m 34s) #meego (15h 16m 34s). Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 2h 42m 33s, last said: 'CosmoHill: nope... not that pw either'.
Nov 12 13:39:31 <Bostik> ewwww
Nov 12 13:39:40 <Myrtti> indeed
Nov 12 13:39:41 <jacekowski> ~seen ali1234
Nov 12 13:39:42 <infobot> ali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 23h 24m 22s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'.
Nov 12 13:39:46 <ArthurDownhill2> So, can we make for example TeamSpeak application for MeeGo... is it legal?
Nov 12 13:39:57 <Jaffa> "legal"?
Nov 12 13:39:57 <Stskeeps> ask a lawyer
Nov 12 13:40:05 <jacekowski> ArthurDownhill2: in eu
Nov 12 13:40:09 <Myrtti> I thought telepathy does voip
Nov 12 13:40:11 <wazd_n900> arthur, you better check TS website
Nov 12 13:40:34 <jacekowski> ArthurDownhill2: ts eula denies any re and stuff
Nov 12 13:40:49 <Jaffa> ArthurDownhill2: You can't call it "TeamSpeak", cos that's a trademark. Whether or not you can reverse engineer its protocols and reimplemented (or whatever) is probably jurisdictional and dependent on your ability ;-)
Nov 12 13:41:05 <CosmoHill> ~seen boobs
Nov 12 13:41:07 <infobot> CosmoHill: i haven't seen 'boobs'
Nov 12 13:41:08 <jacekowski> but eu law allows re for interoperability purposes
Nov 12 13:41:19 <CosmoHill> (had to be done)
Nov 12 13:41:20 <jacekowski> and research
Nov 12 13:41:29 <wazd_n900> jeez, I'm gonna see you all guys live at last :)
Nov 12 13:41:45 <jacekowski> and any eula that denies you this right is invalid
Nov 12 13:42:03 <ArthurDownhill2> We could do speakchat that uses samekind of technology than TeamSpeak and Ventrilo for MeeGo ? =)
Nov 12 13:42:15 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 12 13:42:26 <ArthurDownhill2> I can do graphix :D
Nov 12 13:42:26 <jacekowski> there is nice article about that on woodman.com
Nov 12 13:43:38 <wazd_n900> arthur: graphics for blinking text overlay? :)
Nov 12 13:43:49 <ArthurDownhill2> Hehe. :D
Nov 12 13:44:03 <ArthurDownhill2> Thinking about animations and stuff.
Nov 12 13:44:34 <wazd_n900> arthur: openNS Michael Bay Edition :)
Nov 12 13:44:40 <RST38h> wazzzd, heya
Nov 12 13:44:43 <ArthurDownhill2> what's that?
Nov 12 13:44:56 <wazd_n900> rst38h: heyheyhey :)
Nov 12 13:44:58 <wazd_n900> rst
Nov 12 13:45:16 <wazd_n900> rst38h: I'm good to go :)
Nov 12 13:45:16 <RST38h> wazd: How is suffering tonight?
Nov 12 13:45:27 <RST38h> wazd: Coool, bring me an extra N9 :)
Nov 12 13:45:44 <wazd_n900> rst38h: sure :)
Nov 12 13:45:53 <RST38h> wazd: If you meet the fapman guy, talk him into letting you do the artwork, too
Nov 12 13:46:10 <Stskeeps> fapman just needs to use chatroulette pictures
Nov 12 13:46:10 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 13:46:22 <Termana> :P
Nov 12 13:46:31 <wazd_n900> stskeeps: livestream :)
Nov 12 13:46:42 <RST38h> Stskeeps: instantly connect you to the package maintainer!
Nov 12 13:46:43 <ArthurDownhill2> wazd_n900 what was that openNS thing ?
Nov 12 13:47:00 <RST38h> Stskeeps: (even if the poor guy is in bed)
Nov 12 13:47:19 <wazd_n900> arthur: just kidding :) Oh, OpenTS not NS :(
Nov 12 13:47:43 <wazd_n900> arthur: TS overlay needs only one animation - blinking
Nov 12 13:48:10 <wazd_n900> rst38h: you're evil as always :)
Nov 12 13:49:54 <ArthurDownhill2> wazd_n900 what MeeGo uses as animation format ?
Nov 12 13:50:56 <leinir> ArthurDownhill2: Well, if you're wanting to build fancy animation-heavy UIs, you'll want to look into Qt Quick :)
Nov 12 13:51:36 <ArthurDownhill2> yeah probbly
Nov 12 13:52:07 <ArthurDownhill2> will do
Nov 12 13:52:33 <ArthurDownhill2> I'll do it as heavy as it allows me to, and mindblowing nicelooking lol =D
Nov 12 13:53:10 <berndhs> arthurdownhill2:yeah and then you'll complain about short battery life
Nov 12 13:53:49 <ArthurDownhill2> Hehe, it doesn't have to be but in application login window lol...
Nov 12 13:53:56 <ArthurDownhill2> So ...
Nov 12 13:54:44 <ArthurDownhill2> Small peak won't kill batteries will it? :D
Nov 12 13:55:11 <berndhs> it all adds up...
Nov 12 13:55:45 <berndhs> but shiny graphics are what some users want
Nov 12 13:56:11 <ArthurDownhill2> Yup...
Nov 12 13:58:11 <ArthurDownhill2> no-one into VoiceChat coding? :)
Nov 12 14:00:32 <ArthurDownhill2> seriously? lol
Nov 12 14:00:57 <Jaffa> ArthurDownhill2: It's a bit odd to come along and say "I'd really like this app, compatible with [AFAIK] a proprietary protocol, and I'll do the graphics for you!"
Nov 12 14:01:14 <berndhs> i do a little bit, but the support for it just changed in Qt, so have to look at it again
Nov 12 14:01:32 <Jaffa> ArthurDownhill2: That's like saying "How about we get together to build the USS Enterprise. I'll polish the dedication plaque"
Nov 12 14:01:52 <lcuk> jaffa, sweet will bear that in mind when we make it.
Nov 12 14:02:07 <lcuk> do you have your own polish?
Nov 12 14:02:32 <RST38h> lcuk: How many polish do you need?
Nov 12 14:02:34 <ArthurDownhill2> :DDD
Nov 12 14:02:38 <Jaffa> lcuk: I do. I'm all about the shining
Nov 12 14:03:14 <lcuk> ArthurDownhill2, what past experience making graphics and layout have you got?
Nov 12 14:03:41 <RST38h> Arthur: Even better, can you show any of your previous work? Is it online?
Nov 12 14:03:48 <lcuk> and how well do you understand the complexities of building and designing towards a mobile platform in extremely constrained situations
Nov 12 14:05:27 <ArthurDownhill2> I've got something. :d
Nov 12 14:05:42 <RST38h> Can we see?
Nov 12 14:05:49 <ArthurDownhill2> Studying media now tho' no portfolio yet. :)
Nov 12 14:06:06 <ArthurDownhill2> Getting into it with you guys <3=D
Nov 12 14:06:08 <RST38h> Ok. Have you ever drawn any computer graphics?
Nov 12 14:06:21 <ArthurDownhill2> Yeah, I've done them.
Nov 12 14:06:26 <RST38h> Can we see?
Nov 12 14:06:54 <ArthurDownhill2> well it's little buggy made it fewdays before and didn't have time to fix it =D
Nov 12 14:07:17 <ArthurDownhill2> http://piippolanuutiset.wippiespace.com/index.html
Nov 12 14:07:40 <ArthurDownhill2> flashes on that page, but they're like fast projects only .
Nov 12 14:07:40 <txithihausen> hi guys, i'm dealing a problem to install a kde-based application on meego. In the meego core repositories, none *-kde software is found. Is there any way to do something like this?
Nov 12 14:07:57 <RST38h> Umgh.
Nov 12 14:07:58 <ArthurDownhill2> roll_over persons on that pic
Nov 12 14:08:00 <ArthurDownhill2> =DDD
Nov 12 14:08:24 <ArthurDownhill2> Yeah they kind of suck still, don't worry =D
Nov 12 14:10:37 <ArthurDownhill2> But yeah, I'm a beginner with this stuff still. :)
Nov 12 14:11:15 <ArthurDownhill2> Gonna be pro with ya' :p
Nov 12 14:11:46 <ArthurDownhill2> RST38h did you puke on my work lol =D
Nov 12 14:12:33 <RST38h> Arthur: No, no, it is ok
Nov 12 14:12:56 <ArthurDownhill2> Alright, started with flash week ago so why couldn't I get on with this right ?`
Nov 12 14:13:14 <RST38h> Arthur: You probably want to practice some more
Nov 12 14:13:22 <RST38h> Maybe make a theme or two...
Nov 12 14:13:52 <ArthurDownhill2> ^^
Nov 12 14:14:02 <ArthurDownhill2> hierontapalveluhepola.fi check that
Nov 12 14:14:03 <ArthurDownhill2> :D
Nov 12 14:14:08 <ArthurDownhill2> it's for massager lol
Nov 12 14:15:16 <berndhs> flash is the past
Nov 12 14:15:23 <ArthurDownhill2> ^^
Nov 12 14:15:32 <ArthurDownhill2> That's why I came here lol.
Nov 12 14:18:02 <ArthurDownhill2> Well anyways ;) let's encode World a better place \o/ :)
Nov 12 14:18:09 <ArthurDownhill2> I'm with you .
Nov 12 14:18:39 <Myrtti> good grief
Nov 12 14:19:06 <ArthurDownhill2> Myrtti FIN?
Nov 12 14:19:25 <Myrtti> only physically, I'm told sometimes
Nov 12 14:19:46 <ArthurDownhill2> Whaaat :D
Nov 12 14:20:21 <smoku> :/  i should have learned not to click every single link i see on irc already...
Nov 12 14:20:40 <ArthurDownhill2> =D
Nov 12 14:21:36 <lcuk> ArthurDownhill2, what design tools did you use to make your umm animations in?
Nov 12 14:22:36 <ArthurDownhill2> Photoshop, Adobe Flash
Nov 12 14:22:38 <tvainio> "Window with title "::Tmi Hierontapalvelu - Joonas Hepola:: - Mozilla Firefox" is not responding."
Nov 12 14:22:49 <ArthurDownhill2> oh.
Nov 12 14:23:04 <ArthurDownhill2> and some illustrator with backgrounds
Nov 12 14:26:22 <Myrtti> old tweets showed fine, new ones went weird
Nov 12 14:26:31 <Myrtti> damnit
Nov 12 14:26:56 <Myrtti> E_NOBRAIN
Nov 12 14:28:48 <ArthurDownhill2> which tweets huh?
Nov 12 14:29:39 <Myrtti> wrong channel...
Nov 12 14:29:45 <ArthurDownhill2> :P
Nov 12 14:30:19 <lcuk> ArthurDownhill2, which device have you got and which UX do you want to write this app for?
Nov 12 14:31:55 <ArthurDownhill2> That's good question no device yet, isn't there application overview on SDK  ?
Nov 12 14:32:28 <lcuk> ArthurDownhill2, know thy target.  which mobile devices do you use at the moment and what have you done towards them
Nov 12 14:32:34 <ArthurDownhill2> Thinking about N8 or next MeeGo phone.
Nov 12 14:32:40 <Myrtti> N8 - good luck
Nov 12 14:32:44 <Myrtti> well, for meego atleast
Nov 12 14:32:55 <ArthurDownhill2> ^^
Nov 12 14:33:26 <ArthurDownhill2> So kind of waiting still but just want to develop :D Nokia Express music 5320 atm
Nov 12 14:33:49 <Myrtti> So are you planning to develop with Qt in general or for MeeGo specifically?
Nov 12 14:34:10 <Myrtti> because N8 will not run MeeGo even if you bribed it with herring and bigger SD cards
Nov 12 14:34:15 <ArthurDownhill2> On mobile platform, isn't it MeeGo then ?
Nov 12 14:34:26 <ArthurDownhill2> ^^ waiting for next models ;D
Nov 12 14:34:28 * lcuk puts hand up
Nov 12 14:34:33 <ArthurDownhill2> =D
Nov 12 14:34:48 <lcuk> Myrtti, if the n8 supports qt4.7 - why wouldnt lots of the meego stuff run on it
Nov 12 14:35:16 <Myrtti> lcuk: sure, but it's still not MeeGo, it's Qt on Symbian
Nov 12 14:35:36 <Myrtti> lcuk: which is why I asked "Qt in general or MeeGo in specific"
Nov 12 14:35:55 <Myrtti> and goddamnit this internet is killing me
Nov 12 14:36:06 <ArthurDownhill2> Well the reason I came here is that with you guys I learn things 10x faster than searching from web only and reading articles :)
Nov 12 14:36:08 <Myrtti> oooooo, adsl modem has a new blinkenlight!
Nov 12 14:36:52 <leinir> Hehe, someone finally posted the question ;) http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1957&goto=newpost was wondering when that was likely to pop up ;)
Nov 12 14:38:16 * Jaffa resists replying: "Yes. Quite a few. I'd suggest you go to the meego-porting mailing list, but you might be laughed at"
Nov 12 14:39:48 <lcuk> Jaffa, for now maybe
Nov 12 14:40:09 <lcuk> but once meego porting gets into swing, the n8 should be entirely viable in just the same way as other hardware is?
Nov 12 14:40:25 <Myrtti> lcuk: apart from the signed bootloader
Nov 12 14:40:26 <Jaffa> lcuk: Do Nokia publish boot loader specs? Firmware blobs? ...
Nov 12 14:40:28 <Myrtti> or whatever
Nov 12 14:40:45 <lcuk> people run linux on the iphone.
Nov 12 14:51:59 <ArthurDownhill2> What is screen pixel size on MeeGo mobile applications ? =)
Nov 12 14:52:34 <lcuk> ArthurDownhill2, varies.
Nov 12 14:53:10 <ArthurDownhill2> hmm, is there many options ?
Nov 12 14:53:21 <lcuk> guidance includes the n900 being base reference platform: 800*480 or 480*800 and then increasing
Nov 12 14:54:24 <ArthurDownhill2> well I think I'll make bg half bigger and then I can resize it or crop
Nov 12 14:55:14 <leinir> ArthurDownhill2: If you're designing for specific pixel sizes, you're likely to fail...
Nov 12 14:55:40 <ArthurDownhill2> how come ? :)
Nov 12 14:56:11 <ArthurDownhill2> What's the resolution dpi on devices lol?
Nov 12 14:56:42 <lcuk> how long is a piece of string
Nov 12 14:57:21 <lcuk> lrn2meego.  variable devices, variable UXs, variable screens.
Nov 12 14:57:37 <ArthurDownhill2> Yeah....
Nov 12 14:57:47 <lcuk> I could say 230dpi (roughtly n900) but then you still need to consider landscape/portrait
Nov 12 14:59:26 <jacekowski> vwindow goto 9
Nov 12 15:00:52 <ArthurDownhill2> wrong screen? ;D
Nov 12 15:00:57 * lcuk wonders where meego will run on gameboy
Nov 12 15:01:30 <javispedro> lcuk: do you have a livecd to test?
Nov 12 15:01:37 <javispedro> I have here with me a gameboy with a cddrive :)
Nov 12 15:01:45 <javispedro> (not made by a me but some colleague at uni)
Nov 12 15:01:54 <lcuk> hah
Nov 12 15:02:01 <javispedro> he has played audio CDs and read .txt files from data CDs :)
Nov 12 15:03:10 * lcuk used to have gameboy resolution in historical app
Nov 12 15:03:16 <lcuk> 256*224 afaik
Nov 12 15:05:42 <ArthurDownhill2> leinir going to design for max pixel sizes according to each device. :)
Nov 12 15:06:12 <ArthurDownhill2> Now I'm kind of confused about incoming devices pixelsize but I'll find it out lol
Nov 12 15:07:04 <lbt> Jaffa: pong
Nov 12 15:10:16 <leinir> well, that might be a problem, as no such thing exists ;)
Nov 12 15:10:46 <ArthurDownhill2> talking to me ?
Nov 12 15:11:16 <lcuk> ArthurDownhill2, just use flash now, and make a simple scalable layout
Nov 12 15:11:18 <lcuk> and play
Nov 12 15:11:28 <ArthurDownhill2> play what
Nov 12 15:11:29 <ArthurDownhill2> :d
Nov 12 15:11:30 <lcuk> so you can start to see some of the complexities
Nov 12 15:11:40 <lcuk> just rehash your current ones
Nov 12 15:11:57 <lcuk> i resized your website earlier
Nov 12 15:12:06 <lcuk> and the dude who kept popping up popped up on his own
Nov 12 15:12:09 <lcuk> without your names
Nov 12 15:12:28 <ArthurDownhill2> ... I told it was buggy :D
Nov 12 15:13:26 <ArthurDownhill2> if you keep mouse on name it keeps looping the animation
Nov 12 15:13:50 <lcuk> thats not a bug, thats a feature
Nov 12 15:14:58 <ArthurDownhill2> Yeah I know. :d
Nov 12 15:15:05 <ArthurDownhill2> Feature in wrong place lol.
Nov 12 15:15:08 <ArthurDownhill2> I call it a bug XD
Nov 12 15:17:13 <Jaffa> lbt: pong
Nov 12 15:17:24 <Jaffa> lbt: Oh, sorry - no - was demonstrating ~seen functionality :-D
Nov 12 15:17:25 <lbt> hey
Nov 12 15:17:39 <lbt> you were seen'ing me :)
Nov 12 15:17:54 <lbt> :)
Nov 12 15:18:07 <lbt> did you change your pw ?
Nov 12 15:27:59 <Jaffa> lbt: I did.
Nov 12 15:35:51 <GAN900> lcuk, porting things to Symbian hardware by emphatic declaration again, are we?
Nov 12 15:36:13 <GAN900> lcuk, want to carpool to the hotel Sunday?
Nov 12 15:37:59 <lcuk> GAN900, sounds good to me but the bus might be better, anidel lands just after us and theres at least one more manchester guy on the same flight as me
Nov 12 15:38:28 <lcuk> and yes GAN900 - meego is meant to be cross platform and people are hacking it onto lots of devices
Nov 12 15:39:12 <lcuk> so to arbitrarily exclude one set of otherwise realistic hardware would be silly
Nov 12 15:39:22 <lcuk> you or I may not have the skills, but others out there will.
Nov 12 15:39:37 <Stskeeps> lcuk: well, the thing is that it's not realistic, because of it being locked down..
Nov 12 15:40:15 <lcuk> i was under the impression the iphone was locked down also?  that does not stop people from jailbreaking it and doing things with them.
Nov 12 15:42:05 <lcuk> of course Stskeeps - the simpler option would be to find an official way of replacing the OS on Nokia hardware for people who wanted to.
Nov 12 15:43:02 <lcuk> Stskeeps, cheap plastic lighters generally do not run Open Operating systems, but wazd declared Mer should run on it! :P
Nov 12 16:04:38 <GAN900> lcuk, who wants to figure out a meet point at the airport?
Nov 12 16:05:17 <GAN900> I'm flying in with sjgadsby, so hopefully two bearded white men will be easy enough to spot, but no cellular complicates things. *g*
Nov 12 16:06:15 <lcuk> GAN900, http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html
Nov 12 16:06:19 <lcuk> click Meeting Point
Nov 12 16:06:33 <lcuk> take a screenshot of that and store on n900
Nov 12 16:08:02 <barisione> hi, is anybody aware of gjs packages for meego netbook?
Nov 12 16:09:21 <GAN900> lcuk, the Chaffeur Meeting Point?
Nov 12 16:10:10 <Jaffa> GAN900: The one above it, I'd say
Nov 12 16:10:26 <Jaffa> GAN900: But it looks like a difference of about 4m
Nov 12 16:10:37 <GAN900> Oops, text is too small on this N900. *g*
Nov 12 16:10:48 <Stskeeps> 'lo orbarron :) congrats on the kiddo
Nov 12 16:11:06 <orbarron> Stskeeps: thanks...
Nov 12 16:11:55 <orbarron> thought I'd drop by and see whats going on here...
Nov 12 16:25:27 <leinir> ffs, that took way too long :P Why is it the D4 Hotels say, helpfully, that the aircoach bus stops right outside their front door... but don't tell me what that stop is called :P
Nov 12 16:25:55 <leinir> In case anybody else is wondering: Pembrooke Road
Nov 12 16:26:12 <Stskeeps> welcome to dublin!
Nov 12 16:26:40 <leinir> hehe, not travelling out until tomorrow ;)
Nov 12 16:26:44 <leinir> But thanks none the less ;)
Nov 12 16:26:57 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 12 16:41:30 <GAN900> Too much to do before tomorrow.
Nov 12 16:45:41 <jacekowski> ~seen ali1234
Nov 12 16:45:58 <infobot> ali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 2h 30m 37s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'.
Nov 12 17:01:34 <lcuk> I added meeting point information to the flight planner page
Nov 12 17:03:06 <fcrochik> lcuk: I still don't know how people manage all the irc channels...
Nov 12 17:03:51 <lcuk> fcrochik, some people can handle an overflowing inbox and orchestrate and track many flowing conversations
Nov 12 17:03:57 <fcrochik> lcuk: maybe I need to take the time to actually learn "the tricks" and maybe switch programs... I have been using comuni on the desktop as well....
Nov 12 17:03:57 <lcuk> other people can do the same in real world
Nov 12 17:04:02 <lcuk> yet more can do it with irc
Nov 12 17:04:33 <lcuk> fcrochik, the most important thing for me is keyword triggers :)
Nov 12 17:06:42 <fcrochik> lcuk: I have enough trouble keeping up with the nicknames... I basically know how to join and send messages.... not even sure what else I am missing.... :(
Nov 12 17:08:51 <GAN900> lcuk, Reggie's getting in in the morning too, evidently.
Nov 12 17:11:52 <lcuk> GAN900, cool:D
Nov 12 17:12:23 <lcuk> fcrochik, you get used to things with time.  there was a time I couldnt talk to more than a couple of real people at once :P
Nov 12 17:12:43 <fcrochik> lcuk: I am not sure I figure out that skill yet :)
Nov 12 17:13:18 <GAN900> fcrochik, did you convene with lcuk?
Nov 12 17:13:30 <GAN900> fcrochik, at work, so not reading scrollback.
Nov 12 17:14:16 <GAN900> Sending a coordination PM to everybody getting in in the morning.
Nov 12 17:15:09 <fcrochik> GAN900: nice! I am very curious to meet the faces behind the nicks ...
Nov 12 17:16:32 <thp> is there a meegoconf-specific irc channel or is this "the one"?
Nov 12 17:17:12 <lcuk> thp, this seems to be the one
Nov 12 17:26:17 <lcuk> GAN900, should we wait the controversial hour for vdvsx too? :D
Nov 12 17:29:34 <GAN900> lcuk, psh.
Nov 12 17:29:54 <GAN900> fcrochik, same username on Talk?
Nov 12 17:31:02 <lcuk> :D haha
Nov 12 17:31:11 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information
Nov 12 17:31:40 <lcuk> i like how "Roger Wang and ~8 people from PRC" is put
Nov 12 17:31:52 <lcuk> I should indicate "lcuk and ~50 people from Manchester"
Nov 12 17:33:03 <lcuk> (Roger is incidentally involved inthte meego browser team) :D
Nov 12 17:41:14 <fcrochik> GAN900: yes.... fcrochik where I can...
Nov 12 17:43:56 <fcrochik> got go... be back later
Nov 12 17:48:12 * thiago_home will add "Oslo crowd" to the wiki
Nov 12 17:52:21 <Chani> hey, what's happeneing where on saturday?
Nov 12 17:52:34 * Chani seems to have lost her link to the pre-conference stuff
Nov 12 17:52:47 <Stskeeps> http://conference2010.meego.com/program/early-bird-events
Nov 12 17:52:58 <Chani> thanks
Nov 12 17:54:13 * thiago_home can't log in to the wiki
Nov 12 17:54:38 <Stskeeps> log out, meego.com , log in, go to wiki
Nov 12 17:55:36 * Chani is failing to find directions for the hotel it's at
Nov 12 17:56:03 <Stskeeps> d4hotels.ie
Nov 12 17:57:21 <Chani> ooh, I found it now. tiny little link buried in the last paragraph at the bottom of the page
Nov 12 17:57:41 <Chani> ...or not. that's more marketing...
Nov 12 17:57:52 <Stskeeps> 'location'
Nov 12 17:57:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 17:57:54 <Chani> ah, now I have a map.
Nov 12 17:58:10 <Chani> no directions, no address, but at least there's a map :P
Nov 12 17:58:19 <GAN900> Chani, find people who are getting to the airport at the same time and tag along.
Nov 12 17:58:35 <Chani> hmm
Nov 12 17:58:51 <Chani> I suppose there might be enough of us going for that to work :)
Nov 12 17:59:01 <Chani> ahh damnit, out of time
Nov 12 18:03:47 <wazd> woo, I'm still not drunk :(
Nov 12 18:04:11 <thiago> nor am I
Nov 12 18:04:22 <thiago> but since I'm not drinking, that's to be expected
Nov 12 18:04:42 <Stskeeps> wazd: not trying hard enough then
Nov 12 18:04:51 <wazd> though I have new shiny business cards :)
Nov 12 18:05:36 <Stskeeps> hehe, me too :) i have one with my meegon on it
Nov 12 18:05:46 <Stskeeps> proud redshirt meegon.. :P
Nov 12 18:05:55 <wazd> Stskeeps: I actually just got back home :) Was rolling around Moscow whole day
Nov 12 18:05:56 <jacekowski> ~seen ali1234
Nov 12 18:05:58 <jacekowski> wher eis he
Nov 12 18:06:06 <infobot> ali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 3h 50m 44s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'.
Nov 12 18:06:11 <fiferboy> wazd: Visa?
Nov 12 18:06:19 <wazd> fiferboy: hooah :)
Nov 12 18:06:25 <fiferboy> wazd: !!!
Nov 12 18:06:52 <wazd> Stskeeps, fiferboy: btw, we 3 are ariving almost at the same time
Nov 12 18:07:13 <fiferboy> wazd: Want to meet up somewhere at the airport?
Nov 12 18:07:51 <RST38h> wazd: Seen the banned domains list for .rf? ;)
Nov 12 18:08:28 <wazd> fiferboy: though you're arriving a bit early :)
Nov 12 18:08:44 <wazd> RST38h: yep, pretty entertaining :)
Nov 12 18:08:48 <Stskeeps> wazd: http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-maps/arrivals.html  , click "meeting point"
Nov 12 18:08:50 <fiferboy> I can wait an hour
Nov 12 18:08:53 <RST38h> wazd: then check this
Nov 12 18:08:55 <Stskeeps> that seems like a good place
Nov 12 18:09:08 <Stskeeps> wazd: could you mail me your phonenumber btw?
Nov 12 18:09:14 <Stskeeps> if you have a working sim while there
Nov 12 18:09:28 <RST38h> wazd: looks like good doctors of humanities forgot about the morphology =)
Nov 12 18:10:31 <wazd> Stskeeps: sure. Though I'm a really easy person to  spot in the crowd :D
Nov 12 18:10:52 <wazd> Stskeeps: 1.96m :D
Nov 12 18:10:56 * Jaffa is flying solo
Nov 12 18:11:11 <wazd> Jaffa: rich bastard :P
Nov 12 18:11:19 <Jaffa> wazd: Well, not that solo ;-)
Nov 12 18:11:29 <Jaffa> What time are the hotel rooms available from?
Nov 12 18:11:47 <fiferboy> wazd: 1.93m
Nov 12 18:12:03 <Stskeeps> wazd: look after the redshirt, i guess
Nov 12 18:12:13 <Stskeeps> wazd: only 175m here, so i'm a small person :P
Nov 12 18:12:21 <fiferboy> Although I know what Stskeeps looks like
Nov 12 18:12:45 <RST38h> wazd: follow the crowd of people with pitchforks, they will lead you to Sts =)
Nov 12 18:13:05 <Stskeeps> how are you planning on proceeding from airport? i was thinking aircoach, or since we're three people, maybe taxi
Nov 12 18:14:04 <fiferboy> I don't have a plan, but I was thinking aircoach
Nov 12 18:14:08 <wazd> I wanted to make a custom printed t-shirt but haven't found any proper paper around :(
Nov 12 18:14:46 <wazd> I think taxi will be not that expensive for 3
Nov 12 18:14:57 <wazd> since we're going to the same place anyway
Nov 12 18:20:31 <wazd> I'm a bit confised though :)
Nov 12 18:20:36 <wazd> confused*
Nov 12 18:21:05 <wazd> I think I got my arrival time wrong
Nov 12 18:22:53 <Stskeeps> hmm?
Nov 12 18:23:25 <anpl> Hi Room
Nov 12 18:23:40 <Stskeeps> hi
Nov 12 18:23:53 <anpl> Any one has ported Meego to HTC WildFire
Nov 12 18:25:02 <wazd> ah, nope, everything is right
Nov 12 18:25:53 <wazd> Expedia shows local times, how convenient :)
Nov 12 18:26:13 <andre41> anpl: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-porting
Nov 12 18:26:22 <pupnik_> the ubiquitous Dneary weighs-in http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/11/the-meego-progress-report-a-or-d/
Nov 12 18:26:40 <anpl> thanks Andre
Nov 12 18:26:41 <josu> I just printed my boarding pass
Nov 12 19:20:55 <GAN900> Geocaching sounds biased to people with data access in Dublin.
Nov 12 19:31:06 <lcuk> GAN900, not really
Nov 12 19:39:29 <jacekowski> don't be so tight
Nov 12 19:39:34 <jacekowski> and pay for data while roaming
Nov 12 19:41:00 <lcuk> jacekowski,the principle issue is not paying for data roaming
Nov 12 19:41:10 <lcuk> its requiring a bloody data connection for gps.
Nov 12 19:41:40 <lcuk> i shall have my n810 with me hopefully :)
Nov 12 19:42:44 <jacekowski> you don't need data connection for gps
Nov 12 19:42:57 <jacekowski> well, you need data connection or patience
Nov 12 19:43:17 <ArthurDownhill> sup
Nov 12 19:43:27 <jacekowski> but it's pita because it keeps asking to connect
Nov 12 19:47:07 <javispedro> :(
Nov 12 19:47:12 <javispedro> heh.
Nov 12 19:47:31 <CosmoHill> I'm glade my ovi map is stored on my phone
Nov 12 19:47:34 <javispedro> I made a quick calculation and roaming data rates with my telco are 100x non-roaming
Nov 12 19:47:53 * javispedro thought the european union forbade this
Nov 12 19:48:09 <CosmoHill> not sure it applies to data
Nov 12 20:00:47 <ArthurDownhill> Downloaded Linux Lucid AMD64 and req was 32bit omg. :xd
Nov 12 20:22:46 <lcuk> whos looking forward to which presentations?
Nov 12 20:22:55 <lcuk> http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule
Nov 12 20:24:11 <fiferboy> lcuk: Guinness Storehouse Tour
Nov 12 20:24:37 <Stskeeps> lcuk: any that's after my own presentations
Nov 12 20:25:09 <lcuk> understandable Stskeeps :) are you all set with what you need and done mirror practice? :D
Nov 12 20:25:52 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i wish, but i have like 3 hours on a plane to spare..
Nov 12 20:25:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 20:26:39 <lcuk> heh, i hope others are more prepared :P
Nov 12 20:27:12 <RST38h> lcuk: are you presenting?
Nov 12 20:27:21 <lcuk> not this year thank god
Nov 12 20:27:31 <RST38h> heh
Nov 12 20:27:43 <lcuk> tho I was ready to :)
Nov 12 20:28:07 * lcuk has a loud clear voice after spending much time this year reading and teaching jake how to read
Nov 12 20:28:54 <RST38h> lucky you
Nov 12 20:29:13 * RST38h is mostly limited to cackling lately, sore throat and all
Nov 12 20:30:06 <lcuk> Stskeeps, your last presentation is on wednesday dinner time :P
Nov 12 20:30:14 <lcuk> does that mean you are just putting head into the sand until then?
Nov 12 20:30:24 <Stskeeps> nah
Nov 12 20:30:49 <Stskeeps> i'll be busy :)
Nov 12 20:30:59 <Stskeeps> talking to people, watching presentations, etc
Nov 12 20:32:20 <lcuk> is the local intel building/offices an actual fab plant?
Nov 12 20:32:21 <javispedro> ... setting things on fire ....
Nov 12 20:32:25 <javispedro> ;)
Nov 12 20:32:37 <lcuk> will the intel people be running around in their colored spacesuits? :D
Nov 12 20:32:57 <GAN900> lcuk, hopefully if they're setting things on fire.
Nov 12 20:33:07 <javispedro> ooh. Aren't there Microsoft offices too?
Nov 12 20:33:08 <RST38h> of course
Nov 12 20:33:47 <javispedro> s/offices/continental hq/ ;
Nov 12 20:34:21 <lcuk> fiferboy, which night is the guinness tour on?
Nov 12 20:34:38 <fiferboy> lcuk: Tuesday
Nov 12 20:35:02 <GAN900> What's the situation there
Nov 12 20:35:03 <berndhs> javispedro:didnt microsoft buy Ireland about 20 years ago ?
Nov 12 20:35:09 <GAN900> do we need tickets ahead of time?
Nov 12 20:41:43 <lcuk> bernthey mightv done, but they stopped supporting Ireland XP a while ago, unless you moved over to Ireland 7 :P
Nov 12 20:41:54 <lcuk> berndhs, ^
Nov 12 20:42:04 <berndhs> yeah I see the problem
Nov 12 20:59:12 <CosmoHill> random fact: it was legal to own slaves in England until this April
Nov 12 20:59:35 <Stskeeps> ah, so big brother is getting cancelled?
Nov 12 20:59:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 21:00:33 <lcuk> Stskeeps, coincidentally.. it was cancelled this year lol
Nov 12 21:00:46 <Stskeeps> ->
Nov 12 21:00:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 12 21:02:11 <lcuk> whos staying in what hotel
Nov 12 21:02:18 <Stskeeps> d4 berkeley here
Nov 12 21:04:14 * lcuk in d4 ballsbridge
Nov 12 21:04:52 <fiferboy> Ballsbridge Inn
Nov 12 21:07:03 <wazd> question
Nov 12 21:07:15 <CosmoHill> yes, you can giggle
Nov 12 21:07:43 <wazd> If my arrival and departure terminals in Paris are the same, i don't need to run? :)
Nov 12 21:10:05 <GAN900> wazd, depends on which end of the terminal, one supposes.
Nov 12 21:10:15 <GAN900> and assuming they don't change gates.
Nov 12 21:11:10 <GAN900> I was G10 and G11 in Minneapolis and they moved my gate to the other side of the airport.
Nov 12 21:12:42 <wazd> GAN900: jeez
Nov 12 21:13:06 <GAN900> wazd, in summary, if you never want to be late, run everywhere! *g*
Nov 12 21:15:51 <lcuk> GAN900, theres multitple terminals
Nov 12 21:15:53 <lcuk> and long tunnels
Nov 12 21:16:01 <lcuk> i have lovely blurry photos when I was running down them
Nov 12 21:16:06 <lcuk> multicolor afaik
Nov 12 21:16:13 <lcuk> tho that mightv been redshift
Nov 12 21:32:27 * TSCHAK is away: Gone away for now
Nov 12 21:33:08 * CosmoHill hits mat_
Nov 12 21:33:26 * CosmoHill hits Mat_Matan 
Nov 12 21:35:47 * TSCHAK is back.
Nov 12 21:37:55 <Mat_Matan> kurwa!
Nov 12 21:41:00 <CosmoHill> I actually understood what that meant
Nov 12 21:41:58 <Kray> it is the basics of Polish lannguage, of course everyone should understand THAT!
Nov 12 21:42:30 <CosmoHill> I only know it because of Ed's super fix it
Nov 12 21:44:51 <niala>  CosmoHill I think that mean 'putain'
Nov 12 21:45:00 <CosmoHill> I understood that too :o
Nov 12 21:46:09 <niala> now you are polyglot
Nov 12 21:46:40 <CosmoHill> what?
Nov 12 21:48:41 <niala> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&defl=en&q=define:polyglot&sa=X&ei=o7TdTLfHDcrAhAf7uMSaDQ&ved=0CBoQkAE CosmoHill
Nov 12 21:49:00 <CosmoHill> ah cool
Nov 12 21:59:56 <Mat_Matan> jebany intenret
Nov 12 22:00:03 <Mat_Matan> sorry for spam!
Nov 12 22:00:11 <CosmoHill> your internet hates you
Nov 12 22:00:22 <pexi> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/12/working-8-bit-cpu-in.html
Nov 12 23:07:07 * TSCHAK is away: Gone away for now
Nov 12 23:35:39 <shadowbeast> when booting from mmc with flashed kernel, does it take a long time to boot up?
Nov 12 23:35:53 <shadowbeast> it doesnt look like my phone is donig anything
Nov 12 23:36:02 <niala>   MApplicationPage   p;
Nov 12 23:36:16 <niala> arf sorry wrong window
Nov 12 23:38:07 <niala> shadowbeast: yes a long time but i don't now how much
Nov 12 23:38:20 <shadowbeast> like 10 minutes, 1 hour?
Nov 12 23:47:55 <shadowbeast> so after it loads the kernel will it spew some error messages if the mmc isnt correctly formatted?
Nov 12 23:49:16 <niala> shadowbeast: sorry I haven't test arm version but there is a #meego-arm
Nov 12 23:49:36 <shadowbeast> okay will try there thanks
Nov 13 00:29:26 <lcuk_> how in holy fuck do i turn off this google preview thing?
Nov 13 00:29:51 * lcuk changes to bing or something
Nov 13 00:30:27 <lcuk> gahh thats just as annoying
Nov 13 00:31:29 <lcuk> i am so pleased that touch screens do not yet detect hover.
Nov 13 00:31:40 <thiago> they do
Nov 13 00:31:51 <thiago> it's just that the software is calibrated to ignore it
Nov 13 00:32:39 <lcuk> thiago, hmm
Nov 13 00:32:58 <lcuk> my n900 doesnt do hover and i didnt think capacitive managed it
Nov 13 00:33:09 <thiago> n900 is resistive, it needs the pressure
Nov 13 00:33:11 <lcuk> i know certain styluses on wacom style screens can detect hover
Nov 13 00:33:13 <thiago> capacitive can detect hover
Nov 13 00:33:32 <thiago> but the browser on the n900 has a mouse cursor mode
Nov 13 00:33:42 <lcuk> i strongy dislike having overlays popping up because I happen to move the mouse somewhere ;)
Nov 13 00:34:43 * lcuk understands some people might
Nov 13 00:35:00 <lcuk> but theres no standard used for web interaction that I can find
Nov 13 00:35:05 <lcuk> some sites do it, others dont
Nov 13 00:36:02 * lcuk would like option - like windows "single/double/(and hover) click to view files"
Nov 13 00:59:12 <CosmoHill> cyas
Nov 13 01:01:42 <lcuk> gnite CosmoHill
Nov 13 01:10:00 * sivang wonders how they detect hovers but runs to catch a plane
Nov 13 01:38:54 <niala> #include <QtWebkit>   is wrong ?
Nov 13 01:39:38 <Jartza> yes
Nov 13 01:39:45 <Jartza> #include <QtWebKit>
Nov 13 01:41:59 <niala> make same error
Nov 13 02:08:26 <niala> in wich package is QtWebKit ?
Nov 13 02:13:06 <berndhs> niala:there is a list, for example here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/
Nov 13 02:16:11 <niala> berndhs: I mean libqtwebkit-devel  ty :)
Nov 13 02:17:53 <berndhs> yeah, its in its own package, must be important stuff
Nov 13 02:19:25 <niala> no :/
Nov 13 02:22:09 <niala> this is right ?  http://pastebin.com/XVLmctUn
Nov 13 02:29:01 <berndhs> niala:i have no idea
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