**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 14 02:59:59 2010 Nov 14 04:54:35 Heya people :) Nov 14 04:56:46 Hey wazd Nov 14 04:57:43 Passing passport control on my way to Dublin :) Nov 14 05:01:59 wazd: good luck Osama Nov 14 05:02:08 ;p Nov 14 05:02:22 * odin_ goes to pack for my flight in 6 hours Nov 14 05:05:38 ah no... the feds have nabbed him Nov 14 06:37:22 zzz Nov 14 06:41:50 * lcukn900 hits bk at the airport Nov 14 06:42:42 mm, sounds good Nov 14 06:54:55 morning Stskeeps and lcukn900 Nov 14 06:56:27 morn Nov 14 07:06:13 Stskeeps: already in Dublin? Nov 14 07:06:41 thiago: in hrm, 8 horus or so Nov 14 07:06:44 hours Nov 14 07:06:49 ah Nov 14 07:06:56 landing 2pm dublin time Nov 14 07:07:29 that's not 8 hours Nov 14 07:07:31 that's 7 Nov 14 07:07:38 * thiago will be there in 5½ Nov 14 07:09:55 now time for a quick shower Nov 14 07:11:26 then again, i didn't have my coffee yet, so math isn't my strongest side ;) Nov 14 07:13:00 off-by-one, be careful with those Nov 14 07:13:33 hence why i always have coffee before any coding work ;) Nov 14 07:13:45 :) Nov 14 07:22:41 Jesus, I completely forgot I was still logged in. Nov 14 07:29:10 akoimeexx, you've been making international internet connections for this period of time - that's going to cost you heaps! Nov 14 07:29:13 :P ;) Nov 14 07:30:45 * timeless_mbp should figure out when flight is Nov 14 07:36:18 Termana: Greeeeaaat. I'm going to love that bill. :p Nov 14 07:36:54 News like that deserves a drink. ;) Nov 14 07:41:20 hmmh. I might have put incorrect time of arrival to the wiki Nov 14 07:42:16 I put there 6pm but I think that's only correct if you're on .fi time Nov 14 07:43:49 heh Nov 14 07:43:56 Timezones messing everyone up :P Nov 14 07:44:34 good the start looking into your flight details when you're on your way to the airport :) Nov 14 07:44:54 s/the/to/ Nov 14 07:44:54 timoph meant: good to start looking into your flight details when you're on your way to the airport :) Nov 14 07:47:00 * timeless_mbp tries and fails to find a picture of the nokia n81 w/ its web browser open Nov 14 07:47:24 (a picture showing the phone, not just the screen, and the nokia "open" browser, not skyfire [a working browser]...) Nov 14 07:48:09 the closest i got was http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8N1Mwu4Gm3U/R-P7WJ8Dv-I/AAAAAAAAAg8/fnYMtUOuP6U/s400/NokiaN784.PNG Nov 14 07:49:37 well, there's http://realgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/n81/nokia-n81-browsing.jpg ... but that's cropped :( Nov 14 07:55:15 * thiago downloads the 1.1 netbook image Nov 14 07:55:20 1.9 MB/s Nov 14 07:55:39 2.2 :-) Nov 14 07:57:07 I'm just now writing 1.1 w/Chrome to USB. :p Nov 14 08:00:09 chrome can save it to USB? Nov 14 08:02:14 how do i install the kde plasma netbook interface on meego? Nov 14 08:02:44 have we (KDE) created pre-built packages? Nov 14 08:04:26 if yes, then follow the instructions to add the repostories and install Nov 14 08:04:30 if not, then you'll need to compile Nov 14 08:04:55 * thiago is now ready to leave to go to the airport Nov 14 08:05:42 thiago: No, there's a chrome-based package for the default browser. Nov 14 08:05:54 akoimeexx: ah, sorry Nov 14 08:06:03 "w/ Chrome" was a qualifier of "1.1" Nov 14 08:06:07 not a method of writing Nov 14 08:06:23 No worries. Unetbootin handily writes it to USB. Nov 14 08:06:30 damn ambiguous language, we should bring back the case system Nov 14 08:06:35 dative vs instrumental Nov 14 08:08:00 signing off Nov 14 08:12:03 Back in a bit. Standard netbook reports not enough memory to boot the MeeGo image. Which is funny, since I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 full install with a standard desktop environment on it. Nov 14 08:16:03 netbooks take more memory, it's in the documentation, on page 1279 Nov 14 08:16:06 :) Nov 14 08:19:21 i wasnt able to get the ubuntu netbook remix on mine Nov 14 08:23:15 Hello everybody this is my first time in this is room Nov 14 08:24:20 Well, that was an epic fail. It finally loaded into the MeeGo boot list, and then couldn't mount the disk to finish the bootup. Just stuck me in init 1. Nov 14 08:24:42 I don't get it, where did it go wrong from Moblin? Nov 14 08:38:03 akoimeexx: that's a bad attitude you've got there Nov 14 08:38:29 and given that today is a travel day, you're unlikely to find people in a wonderful mood to deal w/ bad attitudes Nov 14 08:39:12 many of us will have to deal w/ TSA/international equivalents, C&BP/equivalents, Airlines uninterested in actually serving us, etc. Nov 14 08:41:25 Not looking for help as yet. Just reporting results. Had no problem with Moblin, under the same environment. I'm poking around at MeeGo right now to try and figure out why it failed like that. Nov 14 08:41:39 akoimeexx: using "where did it go wrong" is something you should only ask yourself privately, or if you feel like pissing off your employees, you could ask those you employ Nov 14 08:41:45 but it's a terrible approach if you're a manager too Nov 14 08:42:04 you can do it, since you control the purse-strings, but only stupid managers ask that question (Sadly those exist in spades) Nov 14 08:42:22 timeless_mbp: You're taking it as I think it's something specific to MeeGo. I don't. Nov 14 08:42:38 note that in #meego and similar settings, you are not in such a position Nov 14 08:42:44 akoimeexx: nope Nov 14 08:42:59 i'd bite your head off just as much if you talked about Maemo 5 in #maemo or Firefox in #firefox Nov 14 08:42:59 it Nov 14 08:43:06 it's a bad attitude Nov 14 08:43:17 Sounds like you're just in a crabby mood then, or is that normal? Nov 14 08:43:27 if you want to ask yourself such a question, you need to say it silently, not to the world (irc) Nov 14 08:43:44 and then you need to pull out a dev chain, and bisect the problem until you find out where it went wrong Nov 14 08:44:00 I don't like being abused, nor do i approve of people abusing other people Nov 14 08:44:07 if I want to be abused, I'd go to work Nov 14 08:44:13 (my coworkers are currently at work being abused) Nov 14 08:44:17 Sounds like I'm not the one with the bad attitude man. I'm not abusing you, and it really seems like you're just trolling for an argument. Nov 14 08:44:20 (on a Sunday) Nov 14 08:44:32 And that's just not fair, working on a Sunday. Nov 14 08:44:43 indeed, it isn't, but managers are not fair Nov 14 08:45:05 the point is that #meego has developers who work on the product Nov 14 08:45:10 If you took my previous statement as me copping an attitude, I'm sorry for that. Nov 14 08:45:44 it isn't quite an attitude, it's a lack of respect for a team who worked hard on a product Nov 14 08:45:49 (and is still working on it) Nov 14 08:46:15 It's like someone asking a Parent where they went wrong in raising a child Nov 14 08:46:38 I think you took the statement way out of context then. I'm referring to the install on my flash drive. :p Nov 14 08:47:08 [10:18am] I don't get it, where did it go wrong from Moblin? Nov 14 08:47:13 Yeah Nov 14 08:47:20 the sentence unfortunately stands by itself Nov 14 08:47:20 I had Moblin on it prior to that. Nov 14 08:47:29 i was aware of your context Nov 14 08:47:32 but it doesn't matter Nov 14 08:47:45 And with Moblin having connectivity issues on the system, I came to #moblin and found #MeeGo. Long chain of events. Nov 14 08:48:07 Basically the question you should ask here is "How do I find out what went wrong" Nov 14 08:48:33 Asking "where" makes it sound like the MeeGo project screwed something up while building the next version of MeeGo Nov 14 08:48:56 instead of saying "Hey, I realize something didn't work out correctly on my system, I'd like to understand the technical fault so I could perhaps fix it" Nov 14 08:49:26 I assume you're one of the guys who works on it. Nov 14 08:49:36 in some way, yes Nov 14 08:49:46 but I work with many of them Nov 14 08:49:47 and Nov 14 08:49:53 I care more about them than about myself Nov 14 08:50:04 So you're speaking on their behalf, or what? Nov 14 08:50:07 (and my irc client seems to feel like inserting randomly) Nov 14 08:50:39 I'm asking you to be more careful to try to avoid hurting people's feelings (e.g. them) Nov 14 08:50:53 I don't claim to speak for them, that'd be overstepping :) Nov 14 08:52:11 Did my quick analogy to the Parent/Child make sense? Nov 14 08:52:17 (I have to pack and catch a flight) Nov 14 08:53:45 * timoph is bored at helsinki-vantaa airport Nov 14 08:53:49 I think you're still taking it closer to heart than need be, but I'm not about to argue with you on context and the like. Fact of the matter is you're worried it might offend people contributing to the project by demoralizing them. I'll keep that in mind from now on, but I still think you went overboard there. And there was no asking from your end. Nov 14 08:54:14 Where you flying to? Nov 14 08:54:27 what happened? Nov 14 08:54:32 dublin via copenhagen Nov 14 08:54:52 I'm here too early.. Nov 14 08:55:16 akoimeexx: most of us are headed to Dublin... Nov 14 08:55:32 Ah. I gathered something was going on. Nov 14 08:55:44 http://conference2010.meego.com Nov 14 08:55:50 someone could put that in the topic... Nov 14 08:55:54 kinda unfortunate that it isn't Nov 14 08:56:03 yep. that little thing :) Nov 14 08:56:37 * timeless_mbp wonders how to get flight info Nov 14 08:56:42 Hadn't heard of it til now.... Nor MeeGo until I logged into #moblin and saw the updated channel. Nov 14 08:56:51 oh fsck Nov 14 08:56:52 :) Nov 14 08:56:55 i'm going to miss my flight Nov 14 08:57:08 it's @12:15pm, and it's 10:50am Nov 14 08:57:23 How far do you have to go to catch it? Nov 14 08:57:38 * akoimeexx kills the last bit of Baileys. Nov 14 08:57:38 40mins Nov 14 08:57:43 where timoph is Nov 14 08:57:59 timoph: got the number for finnish taxi? (helsinki) Nov 14 08:58:12 not at hand Nov 14 08:58:33 connected with my n900 Nov 14 08:58:50 Googling. Nov 14 08:59:51 050 326 7373 Nov 14 09:00:03 Taxi Pekka Lankinen Espoo. Nov 14 09:00:04 0100 7777 Nov 14 09:00:08 Granted, I don't speak finish. Nov 14 09:00:18 finnish* Nov 14 09:01:09 Blah. Nov 14 09:01:09 It's early here. >.o Nov 14 09:01:30 don't worry about that Nov 14 09:01:32 that number should connect you to the closest available taxi Nov 14 09:02:15 yeah, it does Nov 14 09:02:38 Morning, all Nov 14 09:02:44 Morning. Nov 14 09:03:10 morning Nov 14 09:04:19 good thing I remembered that my flight leaves 1h earlier not the other way round :) Nov 14 09:04:59 but not I have to kill 2h here.. and another 3h at copenhagen Nov 14 09:05:12 Layovers, Ick. Nov 14 09:05:23 s/not/now/ Nov 14 09:05:23 timoph meant: but now I have to kill 2h here.. and another 3h at copenhagen Nov 14 09:10:06 * Jaffa goes to find some brekkie Nov 14 09:22:41 * Myrtti almost snorts in coffee Nov 14 09:22:51 ok, 59 mins to flight, hopefully around 20-25mins from HEL Nov 14 09:23:19 is the person who was waiting @hel still going to be there @12pm? Nov 14 09:29:00 he didn't seem to be in http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information Nov 14 09:31:16 * thiago_osl arrived too early in the airport Nov 14 09:31:29 could've slept another 20 minutes in the morning Nov 14 09:31:49 thiago : good for you Nov 14 09:31:58 * timeless_n900 is late for another flight Nov 14 09:32:06 * timeless_n900 is bad w/ time Nov 14 09:32:38 timeless_n900: where are you now? Nov 14 09:32:43 are you direct? (closed flight list) Nov 14 09:33:02 cab 4mins from HEL Nov 14 09:33:12 flight @12.15 Nov 14 09:33:16 i should be fine Nov 14 09:33:27 but it's still stupid :( Nov 14 09:34:15 ok, offline until past security (juggling stuff). back in 20-30. safe journey all Nov 14 09:36:22 yes, direct OSL-DUB Nov 14 09:36:30 he's left Nov 14 09:38:59 I think my wireless card is dying Nov 14 09:39:04 Not good. Nov 14 09:39:10 What gives you that impression? Nov 14 09:40:05 Nov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x2000000. Nov 14 09:40:22 Nov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Start IWL Error Log Dump: Nov 14 09:40:22 Nov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Status: 0x000213E4, count: 5 Nov 14 09:40:22 Ick. Nov 14 09:40:54 * thiago_osl still has 2 months in his 3-year next-day warranty Nov 14 09:41:08 better replace most of the partsnow Nov 14 09:41:36 Can you get it replaced when you get back, citing those errors? Nov 14 09:43:05 yes Nov 14 09:43:12 it's been doing that for two weeks now Nov 14 09:43:13 since the US trip Nov 14 09:43:18 but it doesn't happen at home Nov 14 09:43:24 Was there a kernel update? Nov 14 09:43:31 hmmmm... yes Nov 14 09:43:45 I rebooted the machine in the US Nov 14 09:43:51 why did I do that.... Nov 14 09:44:18 it's usually because it fails to suspend and locks up, but I'm not sure Nov 14 09:45:01 At least from googling, it looks like a kernel bug of sorts. Nov 14 09:45:18 hmm... the first error is logged on Oct 20 Nov 14 09:45:26 where was I then? Nov 14 09:45:37 SOme sites report a fix from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1142917 but I'm still looking to see what that was at the moment. Nov 14 09:46:04 What kernel are you running? Nov 14 09:46:16 Rather, what version Nov 14 09:47:06 2.6.35.6 Nov 14 09:47:14 interesting, this error appears to happen only when openvpn is running Nov 14 09:47:34 let's shut the VPN down and see what happens Nov 14 09:47:56 Could try a microcode update: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=downloads Nov 14 09:48:20 nope, error now after openvpn is down Nov 14 09:48:24 let's try the microcode Nov 14 09:49:10 Be warned, you're stepping far beyond my realm of knowledge. All I can offer is another set of eyes to analyze. :p Nov 14 09:49:16 Welcome back Timeless. Nov 14 09:49:18 well, checked in :), in line for security. boarding time is 2mins ago Nov 14 09:49:31 thanks :) Nov 14 09:49:31 Going to make it? Nov 14 09:49:39 already got the latest firmware Nov 14 09:49:47 yeah, flight is 30mins from now Nov 14 09:49:53 thiago_osl: Dang. :/ Nov 14 09:49:59 Awesome. Nov 14 09:50:00 i'll have time for water and such Nov 14 09:50:34 the slow motion security videos here are... Nov 14 09:50:40 sureal? Nov 14 09:50:47 timeless_n900: :) Nov 14 09:50:51 Slow motion security videos? Nov 14 09:51:05 timoph: still @hel? Nov 14 09:51:06 shows how to strip your belt, etc Nov 14 09:51:10 timeless_n900: yep Nov 14 09:51:11 Oh Nov 14 09:51:32 my boaring begins @ 12:25 Nov 14 09:51:38 timoph, i'm two turns of the snake from security @t2 Nov 14 09:51:49 I'm @ t1 Nov 14 09:52:08 you'd have time to walk to t2 if you like Nov 14 09:52:23 Well, I'm off for the morning. It's almost 5am. x.x Have a good flight guys, and a great time at the conference. Nov 14 09:52:27 they're connected on the secure side Nov 14 09:53:25 ah Nov 14 09:53:44 I'll pack my things and take a walk Nov 14 09:53:47 morning Nov 14 09:53:53 ok Nov 14 09:54:38 * thiago_osl will try upgrading the kernel Nov 14 09:55:05 thiago, adventurous of you :) Nov 14 09:55:07 did you bring a spare laptop? Nov 14 09:55:16 no Nov 14 09:55:22 but I don't erase older kernels Nov 14 09:55:27 * thiago_osl checks for free space in /boot Nov 14 09:56:20 it's weird that the errors only happen when I'm travelling Nov 14 09:56:37 but there's a huge correlation between my travelling and my not using of my home wifi... Nov 14 09:56:41 about 100% correlation Nov 14 09:57:52 timeless_n900: what gate are you running to? Nov 14 09:59:18 30 to paris? Nov 14 10:00:56 wireless isn't very fast Nov 14 10:01:07 yes Nov 14 10:01:24 just passed through security Nov 14 10:01:32 also doesn't help that the microcode keeps crashing and slowing down the transfer Nov 14 10:01:34 timoph: gate ping Nov 14 10:01:45 50 minutes to go on the update, not gonna happen here Nov 14 10:01:49 thiago, nice Nov 14 10:02:12 * timeless_n900 heads towards the gate Nov 14 10:02:30 timeless_n900: I,m next to 27 Nov 14 10:02:35 ok Nov 14 10:02:37 * thiago_osl is next to 57 Nov 14 10:02:43 but in a different airport... Nov 14 10:03:01 flight is boarding Nov 14 10:03:18 ok, we met Nov 14 10:03:26 flight is boarding here too Nov 14 10:03:37 2 second meet :) Nov 14 10:04:19 thankfully this isn't outside shengen Nov 14 10:04:52 yep Nov 14 10:05:14 timeless_n900, timoph - have a safe flight Nov 14 10:06:23 thanks Nov 14 10:06:35 @plane entrance, there's a queue :) Nov 14 10:07:17 yay for hanging space. Nov 14 10:09:20 joy, there's a 2mo old baby two seats over Nov 14 10:11:34 hey, timoph? Nov 14 10:12:10 can you go into the stockman's shop and pick up two boxes of the green jelly spheres? Nov 14 10:12:29 they're at the back near the chocolate candies :) Nov 14 10:12:41 "fazerin kuulat" Nov 14 10:13:40 yeah, those Nov 14 10:13:56 i'll reimburse @meego conference Nov 14 10:14:22 ewwwwwwww green goo of horror Nov 14 10:14:40 as a kid I used to lick the sugar off, halve them and stick them on a window Nov 14 10:14:45 it's my traditional "have a taste of finland" Nov 14 10:15:08 the alternative would be salmiyaki (sp) Nov 14 10:15:15 timeless_n900: why not just smack them with a pesäpallo bät Nov 14 10:15:16 which i consider cruel Nov 14 10:15:17 bat, even Nov 14 10:15:28 a friend had a tour of Finland a couple of years ago, and went back with a huge stash of salmiakki :) Nov 14 10:15:57 mm salmiakki Nov 14 10:16:15 I'd rather give foreign friends some Fazer chocolates, some of those fancypancy ones with Finnish berry fillings Nov 14 10:16:59 green goo of horror is too cruel Nov 14 10:17:09 myrtti, i do that for friends Nov 14 10:17:29 but in a hurry, chocolate doesn't quite survive and it doesn't scale Nov 14 10:17:40 the balls work well for large groups Nov 14 10:18:01 * timeless_n900 gives up on pesäpallo Nov 14 10:18:05 wiffle ball? Nov 14 10:18:13 Finnish baseball Nov 14 10:18:40 bah Nov 14 10:18:52 how about a good compromise? http://www.flickr.com/photos/anttia/691757579/ Nov 14 10:19:00 that's delicious Nov 14 10:19:14 no! Nov 14 10:19:22 but feel free to bring your own Nov 14 10:19:30 re Nov 14 10:19:36 i'll only reimburse for the green things Nov 14 10:19:44 jaffa: geoping Nov 14 10:20:01 2mins to flight Nov 14 10:20:32 if someone is going to buy, please indicate to channel so i don't end up reimbursing n times Nov 14 10:20:36 phones off Nov 14 10:20:49 i'll touch down and charge @cdg in a few hours Nov 14 10:21:03 oh, and i don't know my hotel info Nov 14 10:21:13 timeless_n900: Dublin. Ballbridge ballroom for "Introduction to Qt" Nov 14 10:21:15 * Myrtti smacks the Linux Spotify client with a baseball bat Nov 14 10:21:16 ... can someone investigate pay-as-you-go sims Nov 14 10:21:28 bye Nov 14 10:21:30 timeless_n900: Someone did. O2, IIRC Nov 14 10:21:31 timeless_n900: available from the airport Nov 14 10:21:44 sasha had some problem with data on the pay as you go Nov 14 10:27:40 looks like we're about to go dead for the night again with everyone boarding planes :p Nov 14 10:27:51 Just turn your N900s on in the plane - no one will know! :P Nov 14 10:36:24 theres a group of us at the airport now sat on the bus Nov 14 10:39:35 boarding, bbl Nov 14 10:43:53 have fun Nov 14 10:46:39 please record some sessions is Dublin for us to watch :) Nov 14 10:49:00 merge: They're going to be streamed live and videos provided. Nov 14 10:49:23 oh nice, I missed that Nov 14 12:55:30 boring people in Dublin :-< Nov 14 13:04:34 * RST38h offers Myrtti some *special* cheesecake Nov 14 13:14:55 is there a channel for the conf? Nov 14 13:16:13 no but there are some nice sofas Nov 14 13:17:20 yay at dublin airport on way into town Nov 14 13:17:50 RST38h: thanks, I'll munch that and sulk at home Nov 14 13:18:46 nice bright OVI store 6 poster advert plastered all over airport Nov 14 13:22:59 is the meetup point Ballsbridge Inn which I guess is Landsdown Rd area? Nov 14 13:26:22 odinm: I just wish there was some place to get those preparid 3D data sim cards Nov 14 13:26:58 3G data , even Nov 14 13:26:59 :) Nov 14 13:27:03 3D would be too much Nov 14 13:27:30 Myrtti: the hotel room is really nice, and has a useful heating AC Nov 14 13:27:33 Myrtti: :) Nov 14 13:27:40 * sivang broke down and turned it on Nov 14 13:27:49 the cld is here something different Nov 14 13:28:10 ah, so it si 4c , I stood up until it fell to 4c, not bad I guess Nov 14 13:28:21 I also forgt to bring any warm clothing Nov 14 13:29:35 well, not forgot, I have some very light ones. guess it'll suffice for no lower than 0c Nov 14 13:29:49 drink beer to keep warm :p Nov 14 13:30:35 odinm: I will :) Nov 14 13:31:40 oooo going into a tunnel now ......ASD^....n Nov 14 13:32:04 NO CARRIER Nov 14 14:24:50 is the meetup point Ballsbridge Inn anyone have GPS ref :) Nov 14 14:25:49 hey tekojo Nov 14 14:25:57 are you in dublin? Nov 14 14:27:36 sorry, exceeding flaky hotel wlan :) Nov 14 14:27:45 yep at hotel grand canal area i hope there is plentiful interweb access there? Nov 14 14:27:55 CosmoHill: sure, in a meeting room with all the other IT people Nov 14 14:28:14 tekojo_: wlan is SOO flaky Nov 14 14:28:20 I think odinm would like to know where that is Nov 14 14:28:41 pass the GPS dox :) Nov 14 14:28:58 D4 Berkeley hotel Nov 14 14:29:02 * odinm walk in the direction of the stadium Nov 14 14:29:21 odinm: where are you? Nov 14 14:30:05 early birds event is at D4 Ballsbridge, that is pretty easy to find Nov 14 14:30:19 yep at hotel grand canal area ~500m away apparently but need to walk in the right rdirection Nov 14 14:30:33 where are the recorded or live streams for the dublin conference?? Nov 14 14:31:01 npm: nowhere yet, they'll come once the actual conference starts Nov 14 14:31:20 follow the schedule at the conference site for the links Nov 14 14:31:40 i was looking for the link from the conf site Nov 14 14:32:54 doh http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule (didn't see the links) Nov 14 14:34:43 how many of you are giving presentations tomorrow? Nov 14 14:36:03 oh god I wish I didn't just look up how much my presentation is worth Nov 14 14:36:08 so if i miss a presentation because it's happening at 3AM california time, will there be links to recorded sessions after the fact? Nov 14 14:47:43 anyone seen wazd? Nov 14 14:47:47 npm: yes Nov 14 14:48:13 Stskeeps: not on irc for obvious reasons Nov 14 14:48:54 CosmoHill, is worth? Nov 14 14:50:02 It's a big part of my grade Nov 14 14:52:37 oh lol Nov 14 14:52:50 good luck! Nov 14 14:52:55 merci Nov 14 14:53:34 anyone know who to talk to about those conference welcome packages? Nov 14 14:53:46 there was one for my roommate when i checked in, but not for me Nov 14 14:54:49 speak of the devil Nov 14 14:54:52 DawnFoster: Nov 14 14:54:57 if wazd comes by, we went with aircoach oach Nov 14 14:55:03 [15:47] < sjokkis> anyone know who to talk to about those conference welcome packages? Nov 14 14:55:07 [15:47] < sjokkis> there was one for my roommate when i checked in, but not for me Nov 14 14:55:48 * Myrtti goes to bed to sulk Nov 14 14:55:55 aww Nov 14 14:55:56 sup? Nov 14 15:07:32 Stskeeps: wazd will be here around 4-5 pm, he's apparently stuck at an airport Nov 14 15:07:34 in the Bob Spencer run early bird room yay Nov 14 15:07:57 * NooBmonk3y wants to be there :( Nov 14 15:08:16 me too Nov 14 15:08:29 meaning i am heere Nov 14 15:10:01 lol Nov 14 15:10:48 I'm nextdoor...in England Nov 14 15:12:39 * NooBmonk3y is in england too :) Nov 14 15:12:44 south coast :) Nov 14 15:12:54 so a bit of a run to get to dublin, with a small swim in between :P Nov 14 15:14:23 for me it would be a replacement bus service and a scary plane trip Nov 14 15:15:20 hehehe Nov 14 15:22:34 row row row you boat ... Nov 14 15:28:24 does anyone know if we have a special channel for meego-conference discussion? Nov 14 15:32:44 dont think so Nov 14 15:49:59 DawnFoster: is there a specific IRC channel for the dublin conference? Nov 14 15:50:34 CosmoHill: we're just using this one for the conference Nov 14 15:50:42 awesome Nov 14 15:50:56 * CosmoHill goes to stock up on imaginary tea and biscuits Nov 14 15:55:16 dammit, why can I only work / focus well when there isn't much time until the deadline Nov 14 15:55:33 Hmmm but.... there is real beer to be had :P Nov 14 15:59:23 there is also streaming of the main room schedule (according to the infos) Nov 14 15:59:55 will the recordings be aviable later? for those of us asleep or at work? Nov 14 16:01:58 CosmoHill: yes, I recall someone saying so Nov 14 16:05:27 DawnFoster: are you in dublin atm? Nov 14 16:06:05 CosmoHill: I am! I got here yesterday morning Nov 14 16:07:19 that might explain why you keep joining and disconnecting :p Nov 14 16:07:38 haha indeed, crapwlan Nov 14 16:07:52 did anyone get a 3G connection? Nov 14 16:08:07 CosmoHill: actually, I keep shutting down & switching rooms :) Nov 14 16:17:47 hello Nov 14 16:18:11 I was wondering how do you update yum in order to download irssi, elinks, all that fun stuff. or is there another way to get them Nov 14 16:18:55 yum update? Nov 14 16:19:10 if you're on Meego you should use "zypper" instead of "yum" Nov 14 16:19:12 didn't work Nov 14 16:19:21 cosmohill: i have no idea how to use zypper Nov 14 16:19:25 is it easy Nov 14 16:19:30 zypper update Nov 14 16:19:31 k Nov 14 16:19:32 zypper --help ? Nov 14 16:19:41 RST38h: i'm a newb Nov 14 16:19:45 man zypper Nov 14 16:19:51 You cannot type dashes? Nov 14 16:19:56 osx5:zypper is a lot like yum Nov 14 16:20:08 i think meego is great so far Nov 14 16:20:09 I'm guessing you're a mac user and that you've not used terminal very much Nov 14 16:20:27 cool how you can switch the windows with alt tab Nov 14 16:20:36 cosmohill: I know the basics because of the mac os Nov 14 16:20:41 sparked my interest in linux Nov 14 16:21:02 my only issue on meego is getting WPA to work, that's been it Nov 14 16:21:14 man is very helpful, it gives you the manual page for whatever command you want, just press "q" to quit Nov 14 16:21:18 k Nov 14 16:21:26 also -- help Nov 14 16:21:35 what is zypper basedo n? Nov 14 16:21:36 s/-- /--/ Nov 14 16:21:38 CosmoHill meant: also --help Nov 14 16:21:41 I know yum is redhat Nov 14 16:22:08 I don't think it's based on anything Nov 14 16:22:18 do any of you have issues with WPA on wifi? i dunno if my router just doesn't like meego or it is a bug Nov 14 16:22:23 it's just an alternative package management system for RPM packages Nov 14 16:22:24 I'm plugged in right now Nov 14 16:22:29 ah Nov 14 16:22:35 * tekojo now goes off to find the community In Real Life Nov 14 16:22:43 tekojo: take pictures! Nov 14 16:23:02 ... and post to Twitter, yes Nov 14 16:23:14 hm odd Nov 14 16:23:27 zypper can't install irssi, says not found Nov 14 16:23:31 yum same deal Nov 14 16:23:51 hold on a second, I'll check something Nov 14 16:23:55 k Nov 14 16:24:30 you're on a netbook right? Nov 14 16:24:31 ye Nov 14 16:24:35 yep Nov 14 16:24:41 toshiba nb255 Nov 14 16:25:27 okay there is no irssi package Nov 14 16:25:37 so i gotta compile it then? Nov 14 16:25:54 what about elinks? Nov 14 16:25:56 yes, I think there is an IRC client on there somewhere Nov 14 16:25:58 same deal? Nov 14 16:26:05 k Nov 14 16:26:11 no elinks either. both are command line programs Nov 14 16:26:36 command line programs are normally for power users which MeeGo isn't aimed at Nov 14 16:27:00 command line programs are normally for power users which MeeGo isn't aimed at Nov 14 16:27:09 blah back Nov 14 16:27:28 you might also like the "zypper search" command Nov 14 16:27:31 cosmohill: yeah but it should at least give you the option to install them Nov 14 16:27:35 it is linux after all Nov 14 16:27:39 :) Nov 14 16:27:59 it doesn't have to be in a package for you to install it Nov 14 16:28:07 eh just makes life easier Nov 14 16:28:39 hehe, you want to make life easier by installing command line programs :p Nov 14 16:28:51 lol Nov 14 16:28:55 yeah Nov 14 16:29:06 well the thing I noticed about meego is that they don't let you switch WM easily Nov 14 16:29:13 I installed the xfce packages, but no go? Nov 14 16:29:26 osx5: you could install irssi from fedora13 using "meegolem" http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-community@meego.com/msg01758.html Nov 14 16:29:43 ^^^ (a hack, and i haven't tried it out w/ meego 1.1 yet) Nov 14 16:29:44 k Nov 14 16:29:49 i'll give it a look Nov 14 16:30:36 I wasn't even aware that you can use XFCE on MeeGo Nov 14 16:30:51 there are packages in the gui package manager Nov 14 16:37:11 cosmohill: I'm a bit surprised they didn't at least have some of these packages in the package manager to begin with, considering how large the two companies are supporting the project Nov 14 16:37:18 but I guess most users won't really care Nov 14 16:38:53 * npm how did a hack turn into a "project" -- http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/12233_Linux_Foundation_rules_against.php -- "The MeeGolem project which is an interpretation of the MeeGo user experience built upon the Fedora Linux distribution." Nov 14 16:39:21 taht is pretty cool Nov 14 16:40:35 People made projects of much less substance. And this one is at least useful. Nov 14 16:43:09 but a "project" implies someone is working on it :-) .. i just wanted some programs on meego w/o compiling a million libraries Nov 14 16:44:22 yeah Nov 14 16:44:34 thats going to be a flaw with this distro Nov 14 16:44:46 they have to expect that power users will want to try it out at lest Nov 14 16:44:50 least* Nov 14 16:45:10 npm: your nick looks familiar, are you in a lot of linux channels? Nov 14 16:50:30 RST38h: was power users 1 or 2 in your list? Nov 14 16:52:46 npm: you around? Nov 14 16:54:25 Nov 11 17:50:26 ShadowJK: like 1) linux core hackers 2) application developers 3) maemo/meego power users with linux experience Nov 14 16:54:44 4) smartphone powerusers (generally with android/symbian/ios experience) and 5) complete newbees Nov 14 16:55:17 hmm, not sure where you would go osx5 on that Nov 14 16:55:38 between 3&4 Nov 14 16:56:05 symbian is dead basically from what I have read Nov 14 16:56:09 which is a shame Nov 14 16:56:19 I think I would be an inexperienced number 1 Nov 14 16:57:01 or maybe 3, but only the core stuff Nov 14 16:57:18 Cosmo: I think there were Nov 14 16:57:26 linky? re symbian is dead Nov 14 16:57:47 odinm: just google symbian is dead or meego will replace symbian Nov 14 16:57:53 you'll find plenty Nov 14 16:58:11 noki claims they will keep developing symbian but most people believe meego is the future Nov 14 16:58:24 afaik nobody is replacing symbian so far Nov 14 16:58:43 are there a lot of apps for that platform? never used it Nov 14 16:58:50 well there is dead and there is dying Nov 14 16:59:04 there is also undead, odinm Nov 14 16:59:13 thinking about going with straight talk, they only offer symbian 9.3 phones for smartphonesw Nov 14 16:59:35 I have an android phone but i hate paying $70 a month for it Nov 14 16:59:40 "Symbian 9.3" is a silly version number. don't look at that Nov 14 16:59:46 k Nov 14 17:00:09 if you google for almost anything can find it, so you mclaim is somewhat worthless since we can evaulate authenticity Nov 14 17:00:27 You want to look for "Symbian^3" or "Series 60 3rd edition feature pack 2" Nov 14 17:00:34 or fifth edition for touchscreen devices Nov 14 17:00:54 hey Symbian^4.1 is a silly name for it Nov 14 17:01:06 odinm: it is mostly opinion, but people think meego will replace it Nov 14 17:01:19 in the high-end maybe Nov 14 17:01:24 well of course especially in here ! Nov 14 17:01:27 lol Nov 14 17:01:35 like the 500-1000 dollar Nov 14 17:01:38 range Nov 14 17:01:39 i mean in smartphone forums/ blogs /articles Nov 14 17:01:48 go to #wp7 and ask them if win phone 7 is the future Nov 14 17:01:54 LOL Nov 14 17:02:09 But will probably stay in 150-600 range for awhile Nov 14 17:02:15 odinm: i'm not trashing symbian, i'm thinking about buying a device with it, the 6790 Nov 14 17:02:43 e72 is great Nov 14 17:02:51 I don't want to join another platform that is dying though like the pre Nov 14 17:02:52 osx5: Obligatory question #1: Are you an Apple products user? Nov 14 17:03:10 lol Nov 14 17:03:13 no but i dont think it is dead, just dying, and yes meego is the future and will ultimately replace it but it looks like Nov 14 17:03:21 RST38h: yes but I got rid of my iphone a while ago, and I don't use OSX anymore on a regular basis Nov 14 17:03:27 there is another few years of work todo yet Nov 14 17:03:27 I know what he is trying to say by asking me that lol Nov 14 17:03:29 osx5: Ok, good Nov 14 17:03:37 osx5: So, 6790 is a bad choice of a phone Nov 14 17:03:54 RST38h: that and the E71 are what straight talk offer Nov 14 17:03:56 osx5: Two majorproblems: 1) screen too small,320x240 2) no Wifi Nov 14 17:03:58 I'm on sprint right now Nov 14 17:04:06 a programmers view of symbian: stoneage tools, stoneage compiler, very strange API, and not even a proper working standard C lib Nov 14 17:04:10 osx5: Go with the E71, it is a nice little phone Nov 14 17:04:14 k Nov 14 17:04:23 RST38h: If I had AT&T i'd get the E72 Nov 14 17:04:32 but they rip people off on their data plans imo Nov 14 17:04:35 ShadowJK: Oh, looks like you have missed the latest crop of aticles from Symbian devs Nov 14 17:04:46 osx5: E71,definitely Nov 14 17:04:49 k Nov 14 17:04:58 osx5: If they offer any S60e5 phones, go with the 5800 Nov 14 17:05:04 they don't yet Nov 14 17:05:14 they just introduced smart phones with the e71 and 6790 Nov 14 17:05:20 RST38h, well whatever they say about QT and whatever, it doesn't apply to 6790 and E7x, because those will never be updated with it Nov 14 17:05:30 for $45 a month unlimited, its a pretty good deal Nov 14 17:05:35 runs on verizon Nov 14 17:05:48 ShadowJK: Oh, I do not mean that. Lemme find you an URL. If you have eaten recently, you may want to wait reading it though Nov 14 17:05:52 yeah shadow, that kind of sucks they won't run it Nov 14 17:06:18 though you can get python on them, that makes it possible to write your own basic apps. Like for transfering files over wifi... Nov 14 17:06:24 ShadowJK: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/03/symbian_utopia_lost/ Nov 14 17:06:31 RST38h: most of the nok phones in america are not well known or popular anymore, because of apple and google Nov 14 17:06:45 * CosmoHill prints of presentaion script Nov 14 17:06:47 comes across as if they gave up on North American marketing for their devices Nov 14 17:07:06 and meego is being touted which is nice, gets some recognition in the press Nov 14 17:08:07 I wish nok made more CDMA devices Nov 14 17:08:17 Nokia makes CDMA devices. Nov 14 17:08:25 RST38h: not for sprint Nov 14 17:08:30 (although you wouldn't want to use them) Nov 14 17:08:41 sprint won't activate any phone without their branding on it, which is lame Nov 14 17:09:54 RST38h: Its either the E71 or my other option really is to go back to AT&T and just buy an unlocked E72x and put the sim card in it, problem is the cost would be like $90 a month Nov 14 17:10:08 it'll be great when meego is on affordable devices one day Nov 14 17:10:36 osx5: ah you're american Nov 14 17:10:48 ShadowJK:And, soon to become classic, another confirmation of the diagnosis: http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/08/guest-post-symbian-os-one-of-the-most-successful-failures-in-tech-history/ Nov 14 17:10:51 Cosmohill: yeah I'm an evil american lol Nov 14 17:11:13 I'd jab you with a pitchfork but over here we use tractors Nov 14 17:11:18 lol Nov 14 17:11:38 Cosmohill: I envy europe, you guys get better choices for cell devices Nov 14 17:11:43 and nok is big over there Nov 14 17:12:09 osx5: Man, I am not even getting subsidized phones, prefer to buy them properly, so cannot empathize with you, sorry :) Nov 14 17:12:27 RST38h: what do you mean buy them properly lol Nov 14 17:13:05 RST38h: I'll probably end up goign with the E71 so I can save money monthly , but we'll see Nov 14 17:13:06 Buy them properly = dont buy them from the operator Nov 14 17:13:07 osx5: I got to a store, or an online retailer, pay the whole price of the phone, and get it Nov 14 17:13:21 RST38h: I would be doing that with the E71 Nov 14 17:13:33 osx5: I then pay $10-$20 a month for cellular service, data included Nov 14 17:13:34 Straight talk is a prepaid service that runs on verizon's network Nov 14 17:13:44 RST38h: how do you do that Nov 14 17:13:52 where are you living at? Nov 14 17:13:59 I actually bought my E75 with operator subsidy.. however, the store was out of locked devices so it was the uncrippled proper version :-) Nov 14 17:14:02 I get my dad's old O2 phones which are unlocked so I just put in my Vodafone sim car :) Nov 14 17:14:08 (operators like to cripple phones) Nov 14 17:14:08 s/car/card/ Nov 14 17:14:09 CosmoHill meant: I get my dad's old O2 phones which are unlocked so I just put in my Vodafone sim card :) Nov 14 17:14:11 osx5: I do that by inserting a 1000 ruble bill into a machine in our appartment complex lobby, every 2months Nov 14 17:14:32 * RST38h cackles Nov 14 17:14:54 my friend has two high end nokias that he never bought Nov 14 17:15:03 RST38h: I would like to see meego compete with iOS and android in the US, but nok doesn't care anymore about NA Nov 14 17:15:05 no idea what's happening to them Nov 14 17:15:25 I have month by month contract. They send a bill when I've accumulated 25Euro use or so Nov 14 17:15:39 oh it's easy to compete with iOS, "oh look, I'm using bluetooth on a computer without itunes!" Nov 14 17:15:42 ShadowJK: Even better. In my case, the phone just loses the network. Nov 14 17:15:48 Shadow they like to lock people in in the USA Nov 14 17:15:51 2 year contracts Nov 14 17:15:59 We all know that, osx5 Nov 14 17:16:00 * CosmoHill is on pay as you go Nov 14 17:16:03 I dont have prepaid, I have postpaid :P Nov 14 17:16:13 RST38h: my mistake Nov 14 17:16:20 did you know, the iphone is the only phone in china you can get on contract Nov 14 17:16:24 all other phones are pay as you go Nov 14 17:16:34 pay as you go is just starting to get popular here Nov 14 17:16:37 hi Nov 14 17:16:44 Apparently they call and ask wtf and ask for collateral from my class of consumer if I'd go over 500Eur in a short time Nov 14 17:17:06 it's very interesting how these markets differ. is it because of the culture, or the legislation? Nov 14 17:17:28 contracts were illegal here until a few years ago Nov 14 17:17:44 pupnik: capitalism vs socialism is really what it comes down to in some peoples minds , in my opinion its just companies being greedy Nov 14 17:17:46 pupnik: both, the iphone is a legal expection to the law Nov 14 17:18:08 well, the "coupling" was. If a phone was offered for X, then by law you had to be able to buy that phone unlocked for the advertised X. Nov 14 17:18:32 Apple essentially killed off Nok in the USA Nov 14 17:18:37 * pixelgeek wonders if Dawn's running the werewolf game down in the Early bird area in a bit... Nov 14 17:18:38 And contracts always had 1-month notice if you wanted to change, no 12 or 24 month contracts Nov 14 17:18:55 yeah i'm locked in a 24 month Nov 14 17:19:00 I have to pay $90 to cancel it Nov 14 17:19:40 Competition (what makes capitalism work) worked better when customers could seamlessly switch from one operator to another with one month's notice :P Nov 14 17:19:40 android will be king here soon, i've seen at least 5 devices per carrier so far , only growing Nov 14 17:20:32 RST38h: did you have a E71? Nov 14 17:20:37 pupnik: it is because of AT&T Nov 14 17:20:54 In the UK the operator has to unlock any phone over a year old for free, under a year and they can charge a fee for it Nov 14 17:20:54 pupnik: which pretty much monopolized US phone networks, for years Nov 14 17:21:12 but some operators don't lock contract phones Nov 14 17:21:24 pupnik: If I understand correctly,most EU phone networks originally belonged to governments,OR were heavily regulated Nov 14 17:21:31 osx5: no Nov 14 17:21:38 its so ironic, in socialist europe you have more freedom for cell devices than we have here in the us Nov 14 17:21:48 I think O2 belonged to BT which was government owned Nov 14 17:21:57 pupnik: + US consumers are sheep, sorry Nov 14 17:22:05 RST38h: i see that last point Nov 14 17:22:07 RST38h: Are there a lot of apps for S60/ 9,3? Nov 14 17:22:17 on a side note, 147% of eastern Europeans have a mobile phone Nov 14 17:22:32 what socialist europe? Nov 14 17:22:41 Myrtti: lol Nov 14 17:23:13 i think the nearest communist country is china Nov 14 17:23:23 * Myrtti has lately seen a steep turn to right, and besides this isn't a place for discussing politics Nov 14 17:23:29 and even that is no longer entirely correct Nov 14 17:23:40 myrtti: basically every "democracy" over in europe is a socialist state , Sweden is a great example. The govt. takes 60% of income from people Nov 14 17:23:49 yeah Nov 14 17:23:56 back to meego and such Nov 14 17:24:01 Myrtti: i think he means relatively speaking Nov 14 17:24:10 CosmoHill: right... Nov 14 17:24:43 not that any European has negative views of america Nov 14 17:24:47 RST38h: I never had a S60 device so this will be fun, of course its not touch screen but I can live with that. I think touch is somewhat overated, with meego it wn't be though Nov 14 17:25:04 * CosmoHill will be quiet and look for the undo button Nov 14 17:25:09 lol Nov 14 17:25:17 what's s60/9,3? Nov 14 17:25:23 never heard of such thing Nov 14 17:25:24 symbian Nov 14 17:25:27 Myrtti: He means S60e3 Nov 14 17:25:30 Myrtti: Nokia 6220 Classic Nov 14 17:25:33 right Nov 14 17:25:40 (as one example) Nov 14 17:26:01 forgive my newbness on nok devices, in america they are pretty much scarce now Nov 14 17:26:10 RST38h, in .fi originally the country was divided into areas, each area "belonging" to a certain operator. this was for landlines. In exchange for this monopoly they were regulated, and obliged by law to deliver a landline to anyone who wanted one. In GSM age the numerous phone companies became 3 gsm network operators, one of which was formerly government. There's still regulation on how much they charge eachother. The bigger operator has to charge less f Nov 14 17:26:12 we have got that already Nov 14 17:26:17 rom the smaller operator than smaller from big. It makes sure that the big operators dont use market force to freeze out the competition Nov 14 17:26:56 I think in the EU there's now caps on roaming charges Nov 14 17:27:15 ShadowJK: In 2000 US, AT&T still *lended* thousands of landline phones to people at $60..$90/month Nov 14 17:27:29 holy crap Nov 14 17:27:31 yeah Nov 14 17:27:32 that's a lot Nov 14 17:27:36 ShadowJK: [so I hope you get the idea] Nov 14 17:27:46 for an iphone in the USA it costs about $120 am onth or more Nov 14 17:27:49 depending on the plan Nov 14 17:27:50 here's it's £11.99 per land line, (virgin or BT) Nov 14 17:28:39 I can't name one Finn in my close ackquaintance that still has a landline Nov 14 17:29:01 Myrtti: how do you get your broadband? Nov 14 17:29:09 RST38h: I just want to know will it be a good experience with the E71? I just want to be able to check my email, browse the web if i need to, chat , and thats about it. I don't need a ton of apps, but its nice to have the option Nov 14 17:29:19 ShadowJK: In USSR, phone networks were basically managed by the commutator nodes in the nearest big city Nov 14 17:29:21 CosmoHill: without a landline contract Nov 14 17:29:33 ShadowJK: These nodes have become local telecoms, as USSRcollapsed Nov 14 17:29:36 you dont need to keep landline phone service in order to get adsl. They are decoupled Nov 14 17:29:45 CosmoHill: the copper is there, but landline contract isn't mandatory Nov 14 17:29:54 ah i see Nov 14 17:30:04 to me a land line is a cable connected to your house Nov 14 17:30:09 it can be for data only I think Nov 14 17:30:11 RST38h, and then the mafia showed up and "offered" to buy the company for 10 kopek? Nov 14 17:30:18 CosmoHill: in UK? I doubt it Nov 14 17:30:18 ShadowJK: Depends Nov 14 17:30:37 ShadowJK: Don't discount the business skills of the soviet directors Nov 14 17:30:52 be back in a few Nov 14 17:31:05 Just saw a documentary on tv, there's apparently a concept called "legit criminals" :-) Nov 14 17:31:08 ShadowJK: Half the time the mafia itself ended up dead, in a nearest forest Nov 14 17:31:30 ShadowJK:Occupational risks. Nov 14 17:31:37 Yeah one of the bosses were saying it was like a civil war Nov 14 17:31:38 Random fact: Russia has the 4th highest amount of mobile phones Nov 14 17:32:03 "We are humane. The people we gave concrete shoes and dropped into the ocean were dead first" Nov 14 17:32:04 ShadowJK: Yea, 90s were tough here Nov 14 17:32:41 I'll have fiber soon :-) Nov 14 17:32:42 ish Nov 14 17:32:51 * RST38h has fiber Nov 14 17:32:58 cool, we have to wait until march to get fiber Nov 14 17:33:11 too far for adsl, but new fiber dug into ground Nov 14 17:33:14 even then that's only to the cabinet Nov 14 17:33:32 to the home here Nov 14 17:33:42 our internet is poop Nov 14 17:33:46 Well, it ends up somewhere at the roof here Nov 14 17:33:48 2.5MB/s ish Nov 14 17:34:02 I have 1Mbit/s wimax Nov 14 17:34:04 The in-building wiring is standard 100BTX Nov 14 17:34:40 and 5Mbit 3g on n900 when the weather is right and my n900 is within the 1 square meter of space where signal happens to be strong :-) Nov 14 17:34:49 my friend redid his internal wiring with CAT5 Nov 14 17:35:15 awesome, my friend used to have a 3G dongle taped to his window Nov 14 17:35:48 * RST38h had E70 taped to a window, with N810 doing the browsing Nov 14 17:35:56 RST38h, for appartment buildings we're also doing fiber to every customer, one strand of fibre per customer, all the way to the switch :-) Nov 14 17:36:34 ShadowJK: Would be too expensive to maintain here, too many appartments Nov 14 17:36:35 at uni we got 60Mbit/s download and 30Mbit/s upload :) Nov 14 17:36:40 Using bendbrite fiber indoors for appartment buildings. It's thinner than electrical cable, and can be bent freely without too much loss Nov 14 17:37:26 I heard that fibre is now cheaper than copper Nov 14 17:37:38 and people don't even use their phone line for anything anymore, so you can just tie the fiber to the phone line and go pull in the customer's flat :-) Nov 14 17:37:46 heh Nov 14 17:38:25 I wouldn't be surprised if the suburb I live in would have been one of the first suburbs in the country to get faster ADSL connections Nov 14 17:39:18 we're on ADSL2+ here. the only difference I've notice between that as ADSL is that it drops the connection more Nov 14 17:39:34 then again, I quite often wonder when I go shopping when is someone going to stop me at Alko queue and ask "Are you Myrtti" Nov 14 17:39:54 has that happened? Nov 14 17:40:09 I hate it when I meet people I know at Alko Nov 14 17:40:26 Alko? Nov 14 17:40:43 CosmoHill: state monopoly offlicence Nov 14 17:42:33 ShadowJK: not yet, I wouldn't mind, but it does add a weird extra layer of paranoia in grocery shopping Nov 14 17:43:13 it's not that uncommon to run into people I went to school with in shops Nov 14 17:43:30 playing "warewolf" with Dawn Nov 14 17:43:39 CosmoHill: I'm not from Hervanta ;-) Nov 14 18:09:43 re Nov 14 18:21:27 anyone know what number texrat is using in Dublin? Nov 14 18:23:08 118 118 Nov 14 18:23:44 Heh Nov 14 18:25:11 is that some kind of lookup number? Won't help :( Nov 14 18:25:21 ;) Nov 14 18:25:29 it was a joke, but yes it's a services directory Nov 14 18:25:35 and sorry, no idea Nov 14 18:25:43 ask for pancake recipie Nov 14 18:25:50 ok, thanks Nov 14 18:25:53 lol ShadowJK Nov 14 18:28:24 timeless_mbp: y Nov 14 18:28:29 timeless_mbp: in the room? Nov 14 18:28:31 yep Nov 14 18:28:34 timeless_mbp: ah Nov 14 18:28:36 geoping Nov 14 18:28:42 where are you? :) Nov 14 18:29:21 timeless_mbp: downstairs, will appreciate if you can come and meet me and help me continue molding my braindump to the rest of the slides :) Nov 14 18:29:30 sure Nov 14 18:29:36 timeless_mbp: Idoing well, but slow Nov 14 18:29:45 timeless_mbp: also, network upstairs does not really flu Nov 14 18:29:50 or has, a flu at bes Nov 14 18:29:51 lemme open my slide pairs here Nov 14 18:29:51 :\) Nov 14 18:30:01 just get your mbp down Nov 14 18:30:14 hey Nov 14 18:30:16 A friend from trolltech is here from Norway and we are having cider and hunnes Nov 14 18:30:24 timeless_mbp: are you okay after the travel? Nov 14 18:30:24 yeah, down in 1min Nov 14 18:30:27 yeah Nov 14 18:30:33 does the wifi stuff work on multiple devices Nov 14 18:30:37 or do you need to log off? Nov 14 18:30:38 timeless_mbp: yes Nov 14 18:30:44 timeless_mbp: you just need to log on on each one Nov 14 18:30:50 timeless_mbp: and it will save the damn cookie Nov 14 18:31:04 timeless_mbp: clearing the cachje does not hel;p to rejuvinte Nov 14 18:31:36 hrm Nov 14 18:31:38 timeless_mbp: I am at the library lopunge Nov 14 18:31:39 i seem to have activated twice Nov 14 18:31:45 ok, heading down Nov 14 18:31:46 timeless_mbp: no supposed to be a problem Nov 14 18:31:53 library lounge Nov 14 18:34:08 How can I reach an 'Esc' effect on N900 ? For example I edit a file with vi, but I would like to leave the edit mode. Nov 14 18:35:01 did you eat? Nov 14 18:35:01 use the on screen toolbar Nov 14 18:35:58 well, I have got another Nokia prototype, but with the same keypad, I guess and I would like to know how can I leave the editing mode in vim. Nov 14 18:36:02 * vi Nov 14 18:36:38 like ctrl+i -> tab and so on. Nov 14 18:37:31 ctrl+[ -> esc; though that won't help I guess Nov 14 18:38:16 use the on screen toolbar Nov 14 18:38:26 what does that mean ? Nov 14 18:38:52 you're using X Terminal, right? Nov 14 18:39:03 no Nov 14 18:39:12 o.O Nov 14 18:39:12 there's a toolbar at the bottom of the window... Nov 14 18:39:17 you *aren't* using X Terminal? Nov 14 18:39:18 why not? Nov 14 18:39:24 what else? Nov 14 18:39:33 what *are* you using? Nov 14 18:40:17 qonsole, that is why I asked keypad solution, like 'tab' character. Nov 14 18:40:38 O.O Nov 14 18:42:19 wtf is qonsole? Nov 14 18:43:20 does not really matter, but if you are really interested in that, google is your friend. Nov 14 18:43:31 but that is another question for now. Nov 14 18:47:45 djszapi: you probably need to hack Qonsole or something :( Nov 14 18:48:14 nop Nov 14 18:48:21 ^C works fine, ty. Nov 14 18:54:49 Can I jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ? Nov 14 19:01:49 hi Nov 14 19:02:00 how was the MeeGo conference? Nov 14 19:16:35 how was? it ain't even started yet O.o Nov 14 19:16:58 http://conference2010.meego.com/ Nov 14 19:17:19 yes, silly question :) Nov 14 19:21:33 ~seen ali1234 Nov 14 19:21:36 ali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 5h 5m 59s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'. Nov 14 19:30:32 CosmoHill: Reading fc win this we ? Nov 14 19:44:51 3 all against Norwich Nov 14 19:50:00 lcuk, you at the conf? Nov 14 19:54:46 lcuk: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50017 Nov 14 19:55:23 hellooooo meegoians Nov 14 19:55:29 * w00t_ arrived at D4 Nov 14 19:55:43 woot, me too, are you hungry? Nov 14 19:57:42 we ate at the airport (as we hadn't lunch), so not hugely but a bit yeah Nov 14 19:57:44 where you at? Nov 14 19:57:54 D4 Ballsbridge Inn Nov 14 19:58:14 in my room Nov 14 19:58:20 you? Nov 14 19:59:18 battery dying Nov 14 19:59:58 I wonder how many people got to their room, went to plug in their laptop and then had to rush out and by an adapter Nov 14 20:00:08 bye* Nov 14 20:00:45 oh crap, I forgot to bring my adapter Nov 14 20:00:50 see Nov 14 20:00:54 yeah Nov 14 20:01:11 thanks for making me notice at 70%, though ;) Nov 14 20:01:16 Hi w00t_ Nov 14 20:01:17 np Nov 14 20:01:20 enjoy dunlin :) Nov 14 20:01:24 dublin even Nov 14 20:01:31 i'm sure dunlin is lovely wherever it may be Nov 14 20:01:42 jnwi: any shops open? Shops here close at 4pm normally Nov 14 20:02:19 there's a shop inside the hotel Nov 14 20:02:36 Will have to go see if they sell them Nov 14 20:02:48 they were open at least 20min ago Nov 14 20:02:51 you could always do what I've seen some do and force the plug into the socket but I wouldn't advise that Nov 14 20:03:12 probably not a good idea Nov 14 20:03:21 I just thought, I'd get to see and speak to people on IRC who I've never spoken to because of the time difference Nov 14 20:04:54 woot, so are you going to get food? Nov 14 20:05:04 "bring me up an adapter" Nov 14 20:05:45 Cause I need to go asap to get an adapter from the store Nov 14 20:05:56 Mhm, cannot upload to autobuilder Nov 14 20:07:02 Permission denied (publickey). Nov 14 20:08:47 jnwi: a bunch of people are heading to the D4 pub apparantly Nov 14 20:08:53 (connection dropped, yay shitty wifi) Nov 14 20:09:27 w00t_: not sure where that is but one pub at least was full of sports fans Nov 14 20:09:47 you might find it a bit packed Nov 14 20:09:59 ooh Nov 14 20:10:02 * w00t_ informs Nov 14 20:11:12 so which hotel are you at? Nov 14 20:41:47 hey saltsa_ Nov 14 20:41:52 and slaine >.> Nov 14 20:42:10 Howdy Nov 14 20:42:18 * slaine is looking forward to tomorrow Nov 14 20:42:32 I'm not, I'm giving a presentation Nov 14 20:46:49 College or MeeGoConf ? Nov 14 20:47:19 uni Nov 14 20:47:37 although I am doing the growth of mobile phones in the developing world Nov 14 20:47:55 I think Nokia made 47% of all the mobile phones in the world Nov 14 20:48:00 but I can't remember where I read that Nov 14 20:50:50 thought it was higher than that Nov 14 20:51:19 good luck with it Nov 14 20:52:43 thanks Nov 14 20:53:22 adapter acquired Nov 14 20:53:26 and pizza... Nov 14 20:53:35 awesome Nov 14 20:53:54 remember, nom the pizza, not the adapter Nov 14 20:54:06 pizza + 240V = bad Nov 14 20:54:12 I'll try Nov 14 21:05:19 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate Nov 14 21:05:54 has anyone else noticed their history disappear on firefox? Nov 14 21:06:13 like my history is set to remember the last 200 days but it can't remember october Nov 14 21:20:01 what port does the recovery initrd run ssh on? Nov 14 22:22:39 Want to hack on MWKN (http://www.mwkn.net/), right now at Meego Conference? Join us at the bar near the Early Bird Event break out area, past the bar. Beer, sandiwches, comfy chairs. Nov 14 22:24:16 clever Nov 14 22:25:52 Freeee Nov 14 22:26:02 http://tinyurl.com/mwknmeegoconf Nov 14 22:26:32 quiet here Nov 14 22:29:01 don't get lost in aviva after closing time. its a friggen maze to get out of. Nov 14 22:33:30 how was the day Stskeeps ? Nov 14 22:34:33 good so far Nov 14 23:00:17 Stskeeps: Grab some peoples with laptops to come and hack on MWKN ;-p Nov 14 23:01:35 Jaffa: hotel wifi makes me want to kill people :P Nov 14 23:05:19 lol Nov 14 23:05:42 Stskeeps: Indeed. Nov 14 23:06:30 I hope that by the time you leave the hotel has better wifi Nov 14 23:16:06 I just put some E45 on my sore lip and this is how I felt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T49Pl-gW9O4 Nov 14 23:52:36 how many of you at the hotel are swearing the wifi t-shirt from thinkgeek...and also have no bars Nov 14 23:52:57 I'll take that as at least one Nov 15 00:07:53 cyas Nov 15 02:17:18 morning Nov 15 02:23:39 4am? Nov 15 02:23:48 (What time zone am i in?) Nov 15 02:24:10 oh! Nov 15 02:24:18 my mac can set the time zone based on my current location! Nov 15 02:26:01 timeless_mbp, then your mac is wrong Nov 15 02:26:14 timeless_mbp, isn't it 3:20 there? Nov 15 02:26:21 it's 2:19am according to my mac now Nov 15 02:26:32 (having let it decide its time zone based on where it thinks i am) Nov 15 02:29:04 Actually your right, I accidently set it to the wrong place Nov 15 02:30:08 heh Nov 15 02:36:00 4:29 here :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 15 02:59:58 2010