**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 15 02:59:58 2010 Nov 15 03:26:29 hello everyone Nov 15 03:26:46 i'm back from being here earlier Nov 15 03:27:11 hey I was wondering if I downloaded the dependencies or a .rpm for apps I want, will that work on meego or no Nov 15 03:27:12 glad to see you made it back unscathed :) Nov 15 03:27:25 lol Nov 15 03:27:55 not as a rule, no Nov 15 03:28:01 :( Nov 15 03:28:37 some things will work Nov 15 03:29:19 what would you like to run on meego? Nov 15 03:29:47 irssi, midori, elinks, centerim, Nov 15 03:30:04 maybe a lighterweight email client Nov 15 03:30:10 hmm, those should be easy to port to meego Nov 15 03:30:18 either way I don't like how they limited the distro with the package manager Nov 15 03:31:21 zr0: they should expect that mostly people who tried linux distros are going to be using this at the beginning Nov 15 03:31:38 outside of the linux community, who really knows wth meego even iss Nov 15 03:31:41 there's no marketing for it Nov 15 03:32:34 brb gonna try to get those apps Nov 15 03:33:35 osx5: yeah, i agree rpm blows Nov 15 03:40:55 zr0: why? Nov 15 03:41:13 i knew of problems years ago but those are ancient Nov 15 03:41:54 i'm hoping they're a little easier for newbies to package than .debs Nov 15 03:49:53 pupnik: to be honest, i haven't used rpm since way back.. i always thought apt completely replaced rpm Nov 15 05:00:25 hello! question on mount of meego sdk Nov 15 05:08:09 morning Nov 15 05:12:05 I am following this page to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr Nov 15 05:13:57 I am getting an error for invalid fs type error for this command --> sudo mount -o loop,offset=512 ./meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0721.raw /opt/meego-handset Nov 15 05:16:32 using fedora 14 Nov 15 05:34:28 liyong Nov 15 05:35:02 hi, LiYong. Nov 15 06:16:22 * timoph lives in .fi time Nov 15 06:17:08 6am and the place is deserted Nov 15 06:17:11 * dm8tbr is on UTC, but lives in .fi Nov 15 06:26:19 is the time in http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule UTC or local (Dublin)? or it doesn't matter because Dublin time is same as UTC now? Nov 15 06:27:51 is it live yet? Nov 15 06:28:07 there is live stream button, but is it live? Nov 15 06:29:24 it hasn't even started I think. if the times are UTC Nov 15 06:31:00 but if it foes live stream would be on right Nov 15 06:31:34 I hope so :) Nov 15 06:32:16 it's 6:25UTC I doubt a conference would start _that_ early Nov 15 06:33:20 local dublin time is 6 am? thats impossible Nov 15 06:33:29 oh Nov 15 06:33:36 its winter time Nov 15 06:34:08 yes it's right, then it will start three ohours from now Nov 15 06:34:34 it will be 12 pm where I live Nov 15 06:34:48 it will be 17:00 (5pm) here :) Nov 15 06:34:54 wow Nov 15 06:34:59 so far Nov 15 06:35:39 not as far as AU or NZ though :) Nov 15 06:35:46 hehehe Nov 15 06:57:36 Jucato: if your in AU it should be starting at 9:30 tonight ACST (SA) Nov 15 06:58:13 TermanaDesire: nah. I'm in PH. it's +8 UTC Nov 15 07:04:27 Actually I miscalculated. Anyone in Australia don't follow my time reference :p Nov 15 07:08:38 hahah Nov 15 07:18:34 Jucato: not funny at all I would have logged onto it at the wrong time :( hehe Nov 15 07:38:57 Morning Nov 15 07:40:21 * khertan_ is happy to see that finally there i some talk about python :) Nov 15 07:58:08 well, looks like I'm finally getting into trying out meego on N900 Nov 15 07:58:23 any others awake at the con who've done that same? Nov 15 08:01:06 Hello , Who i can install software on meego (NetBook Edition) ? Nov 15 08:01:28 yum is not install on meego 1.1 Nov 15 08:01:32 I don't know who Nov 15 08:02:03 excuse me ... who/HOW Nov 15 08:02:38 How i can install software on meego (NetBook Edition) ? Nov 15 08:11:57 hi all Nov 15 08:12:34 what's the meaning of "internal image" in http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/1.2_N900Acceptance20101028 Nov 15 08:12:45 * sivang heads to meego-qa Nov 15 08:13:19 internal as in nokia only not for public distribution Nov 15 08:13:31 morning folks Nov 15 08:13:49 odinm: I see, but it is on meego.com wiki, for accaptance tests Nov 15 08:14:04 * sivang is confused Nov 15 08:14:09 well i mean its limited circulation Nov 15 08:14:25 but not implying bug reports should be proivate or os? Nov 15 08:14:49 i dont know which parties that is limited too and use nokia as example Nov 15 08:15:07 odinm: okay, thanks Nov 15 08:15:12 odinm: btw, beer helped :) Nov 15 08:31:04 good mroning meego, where is the bacon room? Nov 15 08:32:34 har Nov 15 08:32:59 having trouble, power kernel 45 on my n900 includes UBOOT, I think? does not want to load meego by the MMC method and flasher -l Nov 15 08:33:01 does anyone here has experience with rebuilding the meego kernel (the linux kernel with the meego modifications)? Nov 15 08:38:36 I though uboot explicitly confliced with kernels other than pr1.3 default Nov 15 08:40:02 hello, #meego Nov 15 08:40:32 ShadowJK, it does, but power kernel has integrated it into the release for example. Nov 15 08:40:57 hm, should it be working? I used a weekly from trunk Nov 15 08:41:14 thinking that it's totally unknown at this point if I'm doing something wrong or if it is just going to not work anyways Nov 15 08:41:56 lucent, if you're loading on MeeGo and you're at the conference, may I suggest using the demo image from tablets-dev? Nov 15 08:45:23 Termana: ah, I'm not at any conference :) Nov 15 08:45:31 exciting though! Nov 15 08:46:30 Termana: my hardware is N900 and I'm curious about meego, if it can make / take calls? Also I would like to test the wifi abilities in 2.6.35 kernel (meego?) on the device; is there a suggested build to run? Nov 15 08:47:05 lucent, the 1.1 build Nov 15 08:47:14 thanks Termana Nov 15 08:48:22 anyone aware of this problem when putting qt mobility 1.1 in meego and trying to run qml video Nov 15 08:48:47 GStreamer; Unable to play - "*.mp4" Nov 15 08:49:30 apparently some plugins don't go to the right place when runnin make install on qt mobility, but which and where is the problem Nov 15 08:57:45 lassemon: have you make: ./configure --prefix/usr Nov 15 08:58:54 http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming <<< there is no sound ? Nov 15 08:59:02 oh there is :) Nov 15 09:00:31 nicequality image :) Nov 15 09:00:47 streaming down :( Nov 15 09:00:50 for me Nov 15 09:01:00 not for me Khertan_ Nov 15 09:01:09 niala: I ran it with -prefix /qt and -qmake-exec /qt/bin/qmake Nov 15 09:01:40 hum restart iceweasel seems flash crashed Nov 15 09:01:45 Khertan_: it was flaky as hell under nix and firefox4 for me.. works fine in iexplore thou :( Nov 15 09:02:13 lassemon: I mean ./configure blabla for gstreamer Nov 15 09:02:19 funny to see some people i see last year at the maemo conf are also at the meego conf Nov 15 09:02:46 niala: ah no, gstreamer is at it was preinstalled on MeeGo image Nov 15 09:03:05 Khertan_: *some* people? ;) Nov 15 09:03:31 lassemon: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=269 Nov 15 09:04:06 nice cool music Nov 15 09:04:17 frals: :) Nov 15 09:05:21 hum the video streaming seems delayed from comment i read on twitter : Nov 15 09:05:22 :) Nov 15 09:05:50 lol no more chair Nov 15 09:07:32 keynote starting.... should be almost live streamed on a linky somewhere Nov 15 09:07:37 niala: thx, I'll check that out Nov 15 09:12:22 who is the speaker ? Nov 15 09:16:07 checkout the linkys on the website for keysnote, room is rammed Nov 15 09:17:49 anyone mind sharing the WPA pw? Nov 15 09:18:03 Doug Fisher i believe Nov 15 09:19:15 I'll give that a shot Nov 15 09:19:18 http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule Nov 15 09:19:49 start keynote now Nov 15 09:20:49 Dirk Hohndel is speaking intos Nov 15 09:21:51 wirless key maybe "opensource" Nov 15 09:22:33 connection is very slow atm... Nov 15 09:22:41 no Doug Fisher is not the WPA key Nov 15 09:22:51 Most definitely not, no Nov 15 09:24:44 funny video :) Nov 15 09:26:42 * auke waves from meegocon Nov 15 09:27:08 Doug Fisher takes stage from Linux Foundation Nov 15 09:27:23 * auke claps for Doug Nov 15 09:27:50 yep, key is opensource Nov 15 09:28:14 oh, and it's meegoconf that you want to join :) Nov 15 09:29:14 we have an irc channel for the conf? Nov 15 09:29:24 is they a specific irc where one can follow happening at the meego conf or is same channel Nov 15 09:29:38 auke: great minds ask same question :) Nov 15 09:29:44 there's nobody in #meegoconf Nov 15 09:29:56 nor #meego-conf Nov 15 09:31:08 ohai ymb Nov 15 09:31:47 acording to wiki page, this is the channel :) Nov 15 09:31:50 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Volunteering Nov 15 09:32:08 yeah just stick in here guys Nov 15 09:32:20 hi myrtti :) Nov 15 09:32:25 GOOD GRIEF is the volume of the video stream really that low? Nov 15 09:32:38 non-attendees will be able to pick up some fun facts from the conference this way Nov 15 09:32:47 Myrtti: ha, bad? Nov 15 09:33:12 I don't want to test with my music how low it is Nov 15 09:33:32 ok, it's bad Nov 15 09:33:51 Myrtti: video and sound are perfect Nov 15 09:34:14 yoi Stskeeps Nov 15 09:34:32 niala: I'm happy I live in a relatively close timezone to Dublin, my neighbours would be pissed at me for the subwoofer Nov 15 09:34:32 Stskeeps is on stage Nov 15 09:34:33 Stskeeps takes the stage Nov 15 09:34:42 You guys are lagged Nov 15 09:34:49 we're just slow Nov 15 09:35:30 I have to mute my pidgin now :-< Nov 15 09:35:48 Too bad we can't see the slides Nov 15 09:35:54 stskeeps talks about upstream first developing Nov 15 09:36:17 slide shows "meritocracy, inclusion, transparency" Nov 15 09:36:50 Stskeeps explains he's an independent developer working on meego Nov 15 09:37:01 someone could do a bambuser or similar stream with their phone of the slides? Nov 15 09:37:03 working from his sofa :) Nov 15 09:37:09 Ouch he kind of lied there Nov 15 09:37:31 OBS is closed from viewing at the moment - but I suppose no one is going to point that out at the conference Nov 15 09:37:32 :P Nov 15 09:37:47 Closed Open Build System? :) Nov 15 09:37:55 Jucato, heh :P Nov 15 09:37:57 Termana: community OBS is open :) Nov 15 09:38:00 community obs seems down :) Nov 15 09:38:07 is it? Nov 15 09:38:10 auke, I don't think you understand Nov 15 09:38:29 Termana: I work for intel, I understand :) Nov 15 09:38:42 Transparency and being able to view everything means you can see what's happening on the main build system Nov 15 09:38:56 * Jucato heads for the bomb shelter Nov 15 09:39:04 crepo.meego.com is up Nov 15 09:39:34 Termana: FWIW you can see everything that goes into trunk etc. Nov 15 09:39:35 is audio level on live streaming good/bad/hi/lo? Nov 15 09:40:32 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/ Nov 15 09:41:45 but yes, I agree, you can't look at the OBS environment itself without access, that is missing Nov 15 09:41:57 btw Doug Fisher is back on stage Nov 15 09:45:32 Somebody restarted the WiFi Nov 15 09:45:39 LOL I just saw that someone put KDE in the community OBS Nov 15 09:45:57 omg Nov 15 09:46:36 well, I put Xfce in there myself Nov 15 09:46:44 wetab? Nov 15 09:46:45 but that was just moved out of the official OBS Nov 15 09:46:49 wetab Nov 15 09:46:51 yes Nov 15 09:47:08 Doug is talking about Wetab being based on MeeGo without any official MeeGo involvement Nov 15 09:47:09 Also: Chinese IVI. Nov 15 09:47:27 people are picking up MeeGo and making products out of it without us knowing or helping Nov 15 09:47:52 * Jucato half-expected the WeTab thingy to be told by LF "you're not MeeGo" similar to Smeegol .. Nov 15 09:48:32 standing, not sitting Nov 15 09:48:35 Help's available? Nov 15 09:48:52 crashanddie: ? Nov 15 09:48:56 help? Nov 15 09:49:20 auke, he said "I'm sitting here using my netbook" Nov 15 09:49:35 ha Nov 15 09:49:56 ok we just had a small interlude from Brett Branch from intel showing UPNP media moving between devices Nov 15 09:50:22 Am I missing something here: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/11/14/how-to-make-modern-mobile-applications-with-qt-quick-components ? Nov 15 09:50:31 Brett displayed a tablet/s10-3t displaying big buck bunny on a big screen and then moving the media back to the tablet Nov 15 09:51:01 And Doug is getting texts while on stage Nov 15 09:51:02 The article does not really give reasoning why QtQuick is the "clear choice", am I right, or missing something? Nov 15 09:51:15 auke, was talking to a guy from Malaysia yesterday who's trying to get some assistance from Intel deploying to an Atom platform for an interactive TV. Nov 15 09:51:18 Doug's taking Brett's s10-3t and showing it with MeeGo Nov 15 09:51:41 happy to see that GAN wont have to transcribe everyting :) Nov 15 09:51:41 GAN900: we can help them with that Nov 15 09:51:54 Doug is joking someone won a s10-3t in the audience Nov 15 09:52:13 WTF Nov 15 09:52:15 Everybody is getting a Lenovo IdeaPad Nov 15 09:52:15 OMG Nov 15 09:52:19 lol Nov 15 09:52:28 Doug just announced everyone in the audience will be getting a Lenovo s10-3t Nov 15 09:52:37 Wuuuuut? Nov 15 09:52:38 GODDAMMIT :-< Nov 15 09:52:47 Myrtti: sucks you're not here Nov 15 09:53:07 auke: breaks my heart really Nov 15 09:53:14 >.< Nov 15 09:53:15 auke, surely it should be possible to allow the good devs to get access to the hardware? Nov 15 09:53:20 Myrtti: you can evil-eye your colleagues Nov 15 09:53:28 hey, I coudln't read the "everyone" part. you spoilers! Nov 15 09:53:29 auke, just like Nokia did with the N900 Nov 15 09:53:30 crashanddie: hehe :) Nov 15 09:54:01 exactly Nov 15 09:54:20 the catch about the lenovo s10-3t is everyone needs to go and install meego on it before you can take it with you Nov 15 09:54:23 * Termana claps Nov 15 09:54:28 they'll be handed out tomorrow Nov 15 09:54:34 auke: I've not seen anyone live for months, but I'll see what I can do when I do Nov 15 09:54:52 Myrtti: who do you work for actually? Nov 15 09:54:59 Dirk just announced alberto torres Nov 15 09:55:04 Doug left the stage Nov 15 09:55:05 auke: Nomovok Nov 15 09:55:07 (for the sofa? like Stskeeps?) Nov 15 09:55:38 Myrtti: sorry, don't know them. any specific products you're working on? Nov 15 09:55:50 Myrtti: Are you at the conference? Nov 15 09:55:55 he isn't Nov 15 09:56:17 auke: if you're at the conference, 4th floor tech showcase area has some of my colleagues Nov 15 09:56:22 RST38h: no I'm not Nov 15 09:56:28 auke: wrong gender ;-) Nov 15 09:56:34 Myrtti: So, no IdeaPad? :) Nov 15 09:56:44 not for him :( Nov 15 09:56:58 *her* Nov 15 09:57:03 Her, auke Nov 15 09:57:17 The conf seems quite boring Nov 15 09:57:31 RST38h: no IdeaPad. I'll just fondle my Nexus One I got from Google in April. No, wait, I can't. It's still in UK being fixed :-< Nov 15 09:57:38 damnit Nov 15 09:57:39 Myrtti: oops, sorry for assuming wrongly you're male.. Nov 15 09:57:47 what a question Nov 15 09:58:37 auke: yeah, I'm the pink invisible unicorn Nov 15 09:58:58 unicorns? watch out, my wife might start talking to you Nov 15 09:59:09 javispedro, again, Nokia demonstrates publicly they're out of touch with their audience :P They're literally preaching to the choir. They're telling people who are involved with a new OS that "computing is going to change". And quoting one of the most over-used quotes in computer science Nov 15 09:59:14 I always miss out on the good schwag... Nov 15 09:59:20 haha Nov 15 09:59:27 yeah, best swag of the century Nov 15 09:59:47 oh well.. I got my asus mt Nov 15 10:00:19 auke: for reference: http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=5990 Nov 15 10:00:21 Myrtti: By "the", do you mean that there is only *one* pink invisible unicorn? Nov 15 10:00:25 * Jucato wishes he could buy one of those "affordable" android tablets coming out and run meego on it ... Nov 15 10:00:38 I wonder if he has an N900 in his pocket Nov 15 10:00:49 Termana: I bet an N8 :) Nov 15 10:00:53 omg I just saw a geekcode Nov 15 10:00:59 RST38h: "the" as "the existance of such creature is a subject of faith" Nov 15 10:01:06 auke: you're welcome :-P Nov 15 10:01:08 (and I can't decipher those without a decoder) Nov 15 10:01:12 Myrtti: Anyway, the IdeaPad is just a netbook, made by Lenovo (eek), so nothing to be sad about :) Nov 15 10:01:31 it's a netbook with a "flippable" screen with multitouch Nov 15 10:01:32 btw, Watson most probably never said that there will be a demand for 5 computers. It was made up on Usenet in the 80s Nov 15 10:01:36 RST38h: a gadget I don't have is a gadget I don't have Nov 15 10:01:46 it's a tablet hybrid :) Nov 15 10:02:11 Myrtti: I like that logic Nov 15 10:02:48 my BF is worse though, he even has one of the Nokia picture necklaces Nov 15 10:02:49 * RST38h hates having unused gadgets around the house, they take space in the worst imaginable way Nov 15 10:02:51 Fact: An HDTV has more processing power than an average computer 10 years ago. Nov 15 10:03:26 RST38h: you'd hate my desk then too Nov 15 10:03:39 quite sizable % of TVs on market are linux based these days Nov 15 10:03:44 all sony and samsung ones at least Nov 15 10:04:11 jarkkom, so I can ask Samsung to give me the source code? Nov 15 10:04:17 connected TV is a rapidly growing market where linux is dominating Nov 15 10:04:45 crashanddie, for GPL parts sure. at least my sony TV came with GPL notice with links to their source code site Nov 15 10:05:07 hmm, just bought a samsung TV last week. Didn't notice anything Nov 15 10:05:09 * lpotter_ googles nokia picture necklace Nov 15 10:05:13 ditto for my samsung TV Nov 15 10:05:24 CONF: alberto is talking about the Qt stack in mego Nov 15 10:05:33 some samsung firmwares are not encrypted Nov 15 10:05:45 the manual has an appendix with GPL notice and URL Nov 15 10:06:10 CONF: alberto is talking about the speed of implementing applications in Qt being so much higher than other c++/languages Nov 15 10:06:43 auke: is conference sportscaster? Nov 15 10:06:59 I'm just posting stuff I find interesting Nov 15 10:07:05 (twitter--) Nov 15 10:08:27 I thought he just said "thankqt" :) Nov 15 10:08:42 Jucato: :) Nov 15 10:08:48 alberto announces someone but I didn't catch his name Nov 15 10:09:05 he's showing off a meego device with nvidia gfx Nov 15 10:09:21 actually he's showing 3 applications on 3 platforms Nov 15 10:09:37 sorry, same qtquick application on 3 platforms Nov 15 10:09:51 everyone shows that qml photo viewer Nov 15 10:10:20 looks like it Nov 15 10:10:39 Qt Quick was built on top of Qt. News at 11. Nov 15 10:11:16 so, who's here at the conference with a system that actually runs MeeGo? raise hands Nov 15 10:11:25 * auke raises hands Nov 15 10:11:57 stage goes back to Torres Nov 15 10:12:22 Torres goes back to stage Nov 15 10:12:27 jaffa: i got an o2 broadband sim Nov 15 10:12:31 it isn't working Nov 15 10:12:48 auke: i have meego n900 in my backpack :P Nov 15 10:13:09 Stskeeps: ah, sorry, I didn't have anything to throw at you when you were on stage Nov 15 10:13:30 heh Nov 15 10:13:33 auke: shoes work Nov 15 10:13:38 B Nov 15 10:13:40 couches too Nov 15 10:13:47 I just got new shoes, they're too comfy to throw Nov 15 10:13:54 I mean sofa Nov 15 10:13:58 Stskeeps: nice i can understood you clearly Nov 15 10:14:12 really nice presentation Nov 15 10:14:18 * auke now knows how stskeeps looks so he can stalk him Nov 15 10:14:33 auke: i need to say hi to you at least :) Nov 15 10:14:39 no worries Nov 15 10:14:57 we'll chat - I'm the ONE guy at the conference running MeeGo on his laptop Nov 15 10:15:23 auke: i have it in a vm on my laptop :) Nov 15 10:15:24 auke: i know two other guy Nov 15 10:15:24 s Nov 15 10:15:24 auke: lies Nov 15 10:15:35 * mikeleib eats teh dogfood Nov 15 10:15:40 mikeleib: you're good Nov 15 10:15:41 auke: quim gil (nokia) and michael fuller, at least Nov 15 10:15:44 * auke pets mikeleib Nov 15 10:15:54 mikeleib: BUT Nov 15 10:16:03 mikeleib: you're probably using Xfce :) Nov 15 10:16:21 auke: worse. I'm using yum! Nov 15 10:16:28 Stskeeps, say Hi to Quim for me Nov 15 10:16:37 * MohammadAG pukes (yum) Nov 15 10:16:47 zypper dup Nov 15 10:16:47 Hello everyone that's at the conference and just decided to pop their heads up in here :P Nov 15 10:16:54 ohyah? Nov 15 10:17:16 * mikeleib needs to clean out his repos then switch Nov 15 10:17:36 CONF: Torres explains the most critical part for MeeGo is the developers working on it Nov 15 10:18:01 hey, is there a logistics channel? or a booth? Nov 15 10:18:06 some one are using conference wifi? Nov 15 10:18:20 plenty Nov 15 10:18:34 feel free to ask conference questions in here Nov 15 10:18:46 there's no specific irc channel for it Nov 15 10:18:48 Stskeeps, tell him: Catalunya lamenta el fet que va tornar a Europa, sense dir hola al pais. Clima de merda. Nov 15 10:19:09 Torres leaves the stage Nov 15 10:19:20 heh no surprise or whatever from Nokia :) Nov 15 10:19:20 back to Dirk Hohndel who announces a break Nov 15 10:19:25 * MohammadAG claps remotely Nov 15 10:19:26 30 minute break time Nov 15 10:19:33 QtCoffee Nov 15 10:20:01 just need the coffee maker that runs Qt Nov 15 10:20:09 QTea? Nov 15 10:20:09 Who ever is running the stream keeps pausing the audio when everyone is clapping Nov 15 10:20:11 * stephg runs Nov 15 10:20:14 wasn't there one in Qt DevDays? Nov 15 10:20:19 Termana: ja Nov 15 10:20:20 Termana, it's done on purpose Nov 15 10:20:29 Termana, clapping uses too much bandwidth Nov 15 10:20:36 crashanddie, lol Nov 15 10:20:49 stream just died or is it just me? Nov 15 10:20:52 died Nov 15 10:20:52 live streaming paused Nov 15 10:20:53 for the break Nov 15 10:20:53 it stopped Nov 15 10:20:59 too much bandwidth... Nov 15 10:20:59 for coffee :) Nov 15 10:21:02 :P Nov 15 10:21:53 hopefully the video will be available later Nov 15 10:21:59 anyone here have a laser pointer? Nov 15 10:22:09 and anyone here have a mac remote? Nov 15 10:22:15 me :P Nov 15 10:22:19 otherwise i have to go shopping Nov 15 10:22:27 download it from the repos Nov 15 10:22:33 there's a mac remote app Nov 15 10:22:33 mohammad : you here? Nov 15 10:22:42 I do, but i think its awfully far from Dublin Nov 15 10:22:43 um, ? Nov 15 10:22:50 no, sadly Nov 15 10:22:57 i want something i can fit in my hand Nov 15 10:23:11 n900? Nov 15 10:23:16 * timeless_n900 takes this as a no and goes for a walk Nov 15 10:23:29 i'll be watching the conf remotely, feel free to say hi :P Nov 15 10:25:54 Hi OBS admins, sorry I didn't follow up this channel for weeks. How can I login into https://cbuild.meego.com/ with my MeeGo account? Nov 15 10:26:14 copyleft: talk to lbt Nov 15 10:26:28 lbt_away: I can has build login? Nov 15 10:26:29 Is it synced or need to apply again? Nov 15 10:26:44 also.. my connection to obs is timing out Nov 15 10:27:10 auke: ok. Thank you. Nov 15 10:28:01 So there is no more BETA community OBS right? Nov 15 10:28:55 copyleft: it's technically in production/deployment Nov 15 10:29:00 so, functional Nov 15 10:29:10 I've got about 20 packages in there already Nov 15 10:30:15 auke: Yeah. I'm keep using a local OBS and waiting for switching to the community OBS. Nov 15 10:31:01 football tickets at 12 from info desk Nov 15 10:31:55 copyleft: just talk to lbt, he can get you started prtty quick if he's around Nov 15 10:32:01 copyleft: if not, talk to X-fade Nov 15 10:33:04 auke: Sure, thanks again. Nov 15 10:35:59 This registration line is nuts Nov 15 10:36:16 stupid bloody Facebook... Nov 15 10:37:37 I love the fact that everyone with an N900 is able to give live IRC updates anywhere any time Nov 15 10:38:19 why? Nov 15 10:42:11 Myrtti (if you were talking to me): it's just a nice image of people standing around having chats or in queues or whatever, all over some conference building and being in here at the same time Nov 15 10:43:18 actually we're on various devices, not just n900's :) Nov 15 10:43:25 stephg: i've heard of irc channel meetings where people used their communicators to chat to each other in the same physical room Nov 15 10:44:15 auke: but are you standing in a queue with your netbook ;) Nov 15 10:44:22 stephg: well, it's not like there aren't IRC clients for multiple phone sized devices Nov 15 10:45:02 rauli, Myrtti, this is all true of course Nov 15 10:45:50 stephg: heh queue? no, I got my badge and baggie of swag delivered to my hotel room :D Nov 15 10:46:09 auke: heh ;) Nov 15 10:46:54 the Intel admin team is however working extremely hard to get everyone signed in to the conference Nov 15 10:47:04 (three cheers for the ladies doing this) Nov 15 10:49:25 JPohlmann, we have to talk about getting the changes to tumbler on meego-gitorious to upstream xfce git Nov 15 10:49:51 JPohlmann: y0 Nov 15 10:49:57 pvanhoof: When? Nov 15 10:50:00 JPohlmann: you're not at the conference? Nov 15 10:50:03 Nope Nov 15 10:50:06 bummer Nov 15 10:50:08 JPohlmann, im at the meegoconf now, but how about next week? Nov 15 10:50:24 Sure, next week is fine Nov 15 10:50:33 What kind of changes are needed? Nov 15 10:50:34 pvanhoof: btw speaking of tumber Nov 15 10:50:41 JPohlmann, perhaps you can already start taking a look at the diff, and tell me what you want to see changed. Then I can propose working on that during our next sprint Nov 15 10:51:04 Sure, post it somewhere or send it by mail and I'll have a look Nov 15 10:51:09 pvanhoof: we recently took it out of obs since it was part of xfce only... will it need to be merged back? Nov 15 10:51:10 JPohlmann, dno, if you like it the way it is on gitorious-meego, we can push it as-is upstream too Nov 15 10:51:32 Ok, I'll have a look Nov 15 10:51:36 JPohlmann, gitorious, search "tumbler". The master branch Nov 15 10:51:48 auke, dno, what is obs? Nov 15 10:52:04 pvanhoof: hah, ignore that then :) Nov 15 10:52:04 pvanhoof: maemo-af/tumbler? Nov 15 10:52:12 JPohlmann, yeah Nov 15 10:52:31 It has a quillimagefilter plugin, and some fixes here and there Nov 15 10:52:42 auke: Looks like tumbler is used by meego photo apps to request the thumbnails Nov 15 10:52:50 Termana, stream's back Nov 15 10:52:51 for example a file monitor is disabled because the file it monitors doesn't exist. And that causes the process to wake up needlessly Nov 15 10:53:00 we need to revisit tumbler usage in MeeGo Core Nov 15 10:53:00 In the handset experiance for instance. Dunno if that's enough reason to put it in OBS Nov 15 10:53:09 yes, it should be Nov 15 10:53:12 JPohlmann, the meego photo-app (gallery) makes its own thumbnails I think Nov 15 10:53:14 I need to check that Nov 15 10:53:18 JPohlmann, it uses it for video thumbnails Nov 15 10:53:40 pvanhoof: didn't you edit tumber to use gstreamer? Nov 15 10:53:48 pvanhoof: Hmm, are you sure? Last time I started it, I noticed a number of D-Bus messages to/from tumbler Nov 15 10:54:06 auke, we make a video tumbnailer, the dbus apis that JPohlmann and me designed allow for out of process plugins (specialized thumbnailers) Nov 15 10:54:25 JPohlmann, possible. there's a c++ api and perhaps they use it for some stuff Nov 15 10:54:50 JPohlmann, as long as they don't file bugs on tumbler, i don't notice much of who uses what :) Nov 15 10:55:12 if they are happy; then i don't notice much; :-) Nov 15 10:55:19 I found ~3 bugs in the meego bugzilla Nov 15 10:55:31 ok Nov 15 10:55:34 It might be that they even use upstream tumbler instead of tumbler with your modifications Nov 15 10:55:39 we have an internal bugzilla too of course Nov 15 10:55:40 But I'm not sure about that Nov 15 10:55:58 At least all the built-in plugins are installed Nov 15 10:56:01 no, they at one point packaged it wrong, but we corrected that. by now they should be packaging the right version Nov 15 10:56:12 if not, that'll be fixed Nov 15 10:56:22 CONF: break time is over, people should be getting back to their seats for the keynotes Nov 15 10:56:37 Shipping upstream tumbler definitely is the best idea ;) Nov 15 10:57:00 JPohlmann, wont work, afaik wont there be a gdkpixbuf Nov 15 10:57:09 I wonder if the live stream music will fade out soon... Nov 15 10:57:13 maybe right now meego has it, but i can imagine that it wont have that Nov 15 10:57:26 harmattan for example wont Nov 15 10:57:39 CONF: Dirk welcomes everyone back Nov 15 10:58:02 pvanhoof: I thought harmattan will be dropped in favor of next MeeGo? Nov 15 10:58:04 CONF: program correction: some minor session changes Nov 15 10:58:20 JPohlmann, but anyway, if the changes for harmattan go upstream then yeah, upstream will be used as-is Nov 15 10:58:52 JPohlmann, i guess you can rather see it as: harmattan will be swallowed by meego Nov 15 10:58:57 not replaced Nov 15 10:59:12 Ok Nov 15 10:59:24 CONF: intel/nokia employees will not be receiving a Lenovo s10-3t Nov 15 10:59:33 Which is among the reasons why you'll see tumbler on meego in the first place Nov 15 10:59:36 * auke cries a bit Nov 15 10:59:53 CONF: Dirk announces amino's Dominique Nov 15 11:00:05 auke: Can't you pick one for me? :P Nov 15 11:00:10 (Domonique/amino make a connected TV product based on Atom) Nov 15 11:00:18 JPohlmann: sure man Nov 15 11:03:22 I like how it's an open secret that everyone in the world pirates films Nov 15 11:04:21 bcpk: is that related to something? Nov 15 11:04:40 yes, what the guy on stage just said Nov 15 11:04:54 "of course you would never illegally obtain media" Nov 15 11:04:57 ah sorry, I didn't listen for a sec :) Nov 15 11:05:13 are all the live streamed talk also going to be available for download over the coming weeks? Nov 15 11:05:16 are you in the room auke ? Nov 15 11:05:23 bcpk: yup Nov 15 11:05:33 pay attention ;) Nov 15 11:05:36 put yer hand up auke Nov 15 11:05:42 * auke ducks Nov 15 11:06:30 bcpk: they lost my attention when they said Intel employees won't get a givaway netbook :) Nov 15 11:06:33 haha Nov 15 11:06:55 auke: :) Nov 15 11:09:33 I am trying to use n900 handset UX image to get it working on my n900 device.. But then when using the flasher I try to boot into the rootfs, I am getting error saying - "VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p1" or unknown block" Nov 15 11:11:19 is this bloke Norwegian? Nov 15 11:11:37 the way he pronounces idea makes me wonder he is Nov 15 11:12:22 Dominique? Nov 15 11:12:44 I think he's French Nov 15 11:13:18 Although Amino is based in the UK as far as I know Nov 15 11:13:21 ah, could be, would make sense, other stuff points to that Nov 15 11:13:37 VivekG: try perhaps asking in #meego-arm? Nov 15 11:13:57 auke: oh great.. thank you Nov 15 11:14:21 VivekG: also, try another kernel/image, there's one release that had a boot problem Nov 15 11:14:39 it sounds like you hit that issue Nov 15 11:14:55 auke: ok... wil do that.. thanks Nov 15 11:17:09 what a worldly fellow Nov 15 11:18:28 Hmm, is he showing slides there? Too bad they are not visible in the live stream Nov 15 11:18:28 CONF: Dominique says energy is lacking in connected TV, but there are regulatory requirements Nov 15 11:18:35 yeah there's slides Nov 15 11:18:45 CONF: touch screens won't work in TV Nov 15 11:19:00 (as remotes) Nov 15 11:19:00 here's an idea: someone who has N900 installs bambuser client and does live streaming with their phone of the slides Nov 15 11:19:02 there's a few slides showing architecture of the TV stack Nov 15 11:19:07 but they're fairly complex Nov 15 11:19:08 Without the slides the stream is about 70% less useful, I'd say :-/ Nov 15 11:19:09 or some other live streaming app Nov 15 11:19:11 sec I'll take a pic Nov 15 11:19:25 Will slides be visible in other talks on the stream? Nov 15 11:20:03 http://imgur.com/MK7Xl.jpg <-- current slide Nov 15 11:20:52 bcpk: Thanks. You don't have to do that for every new slide though ;) Nov 15 11:21:16 * bcpk whispers: I'm actually an Android blogger Nov 15 11:21:31 so, yeah, no problem helping people out in here Nov 15 11:22:14 * auke assumes bcpk is in the front row Nov 15 11:22:32 close enough Nov 15 11:22:52 sup Termana Nov 15 11:23:14 next slide : http://i.imgur.com/hHPJM.jpg Nov 15 11:23:17 hello bcpk Nov 15 11:23:21 What did Stskeeps say? I missed the start. Nov 15 11:23:45 mece: mainly that meego was open and that ARM/X86 were working in tandem Nov 15 11:24:06 which is nice :) Nov 15 11:24:15 that everyone should stick to the tenets of real open source Nov 15 11:25:53 next slide: http://i.imgur.com/P9Wbm.jpg Nov 15 11:26:22 CONF: dominique expresses the benefit of OBS and being able to rebase large code bases with MeeGo quickly Nov 15 11:26:28 he brought up the concept of The Meego way of working, without flaming to corporate representatives but there is 2 days to hammer the message home Nov 15 11:27:00 last slide: http://kFDvQ.jpg Nov 15 11:27:03 err Nov 15 11:27:06 Someone want to pick up my doggy bag? :D Nov 15 11:27:07 just a shame you can not fork meeg core quickly due to closed open source meego core OBS Nov 15 11:27:10 last slide: http://i.imgur.com/kFDvQ.jpg Nov 15 11:27:29 *sigh* Nov 15 11:27:34 odinm: haha, prehaps that's a good thing then :) Nov 15 11:27:35 it's a shame that webkit is being emphasized Nov 15 11:27:45 it is taking over and choking the mobile web Nov 15 11:27:56 I really want a meego t-shirt :( Nov 15 11:28:03 alterego: so do I :-< Nov 15 11:28:04 see how many "mobile friendly" pages don't work in Fennec Nov 15 11:28:15 because they're aimed solely at iPhone/webkit Nov 15 11:28:25 perhaps we should put the designs on caffeepress Nov 15 11:28:28 no ability to fork = no contribution Nov 15 11:28:28 Myrtti: there's a badgde in dublin with my name on it :( Nov 15 11:28:38 alterego: oh, that's even more unfair :-< Nov 15 11:28:51 alterego: I could try... Nov 15 11:29:06 Q&A with technical group now Nov 15 11:29:07 auke: with ladyfit :-D yes please Nov 15 11:29:08 CONF: Dirk announces the last keynote: TSG QA Nov 15 11:29:08 bcpk: if you want to :) Nov 15 11:29:17 ok, football tickets update! Come to info desk *after* 8am on tuesday, as you need you conf badge to get a ticket Nov 15 11:29:23 alterego: where are you now? Nov 15 11:29:27 Myrtti: I can discuss this with the people who made the shirts and organize the conf Nov 15 11:29:34 bcpk: England Nov 15 11:29:41 auke: general MeeGo shirts would be nice too Nov 15 11:29:56 Myrtti: Amy Leeland has a ton (like, boxes full of em) Nov 15 11:30:08 both conf and regular meego t-shirts Nov 15 11:30:24 auke: are they for sale :D Nov 15 11:30:26 auke: the ones left over from April? the one with the cheesecloth thin black fabric? have one of those :-D Nov 15 11:30:28 auke: I'll let you take care of this then! Nov 15 11:30:32 great for summer night gowns, Nov 15 11:30:38 Heh Nov 15 11:30:41 I'll talk to Amy Nov 15 11:31:11 Myrtti: yeah I think there's a ton of the black ones around still Nov 15 11:31:19 they're not thin though I though Nov 15 11:31:41 well I don't go even kebab shopping around the corner with mine on :-D Nov 15 11:32:52 CONF: Jim Zemlin is talking Nov 15 11:34:36 btw if people want to talk to me at the conf: I'm giving a talk with Margie Foster at 13:45 in the havelock suite, catch me afterwards for the break time to chat Nov 15 11:35:00 Margie ♥ Nov 15 11:35:12 err sorry it's in the president's suite Nov 15 11:35:19 Woo, finally got my nametag! Nov 15 11:35:29 I need to make Margie bake me another apple pie Nov 15 11:35:36 GAN900: can you pick up mine and mail it to me? :) Nov 15 11:35:56 alterego, so why aren't you there? Nov 15 11:36:12 alterego, I can try. Nov 15 11:36:16 Funding and some family issues. Nov 15 11:36:22 how can I get rid of the .so in non -devel packages error? I have .so's that are dlopened Nov 15 11:36:45 either put them in a subfolder Nov 15 11:36:50 or don't dlopen them :) Nov 15 11:36:59 /usr/lib/foo/plugins/foo.so Nov 15 11:37:00 * mikeleib is not fixing the dlopen part Nov 15 11:37:24 * mikeleib is fixing unixODBC in devel:ooo. So I don't want to move the .so location Nov 15 11:37:32 The network is really dead Nov 15 11:37:51 treat it as a plugin and move it ouside of /usr/lib Nov 15 11:38:09 we deliberately restricted attendee wifi until after noon Nov 15 11:38:15 heh amd Nov 15 11:38:16 ? Nov 15 11:38:20 I think shane has a good example Nov 15 11:38:21 funny Nov 15 11:38:22 AMD? Nov 15 11:38:22 to give the keynotes & livestream a little extra bandwith Nov 15 11:38:25 yes, AMD joined Nov 15 11:38:26 Ou Nov 15 11:38:33 that's pretty cool Nov 15 11:38:37 Mmm Nov 15 11:38:42 auke: moving out of /usr/lib would require changes to the packages that dlopen the .so's Nov 15 11:38:46 Some pretty amazing joinup. Nov 15 11:38:55 mikeleib: correct, don't use foul hacks for plugins Nov 15 11:39:00 they're not plugins Nov 15 11:39:10 the're just dlopened for lazy use Nov 15 11:39:10 then they need to be properly versioned .so's Nov 15 11:39:30 no shortcuts :) Nov 15 11:40:00 * mikeleib hates unixODBC Nov 15 11:40:54 anyone know what should happen in meego installation after creating a user? Nov 15 11:41:06 hello... any meego designers in here? Nov 15 11:41:14 Dephyrial: netbook image install pops straight to the user interface after that Nov 15 11:41:20 zalbisser_: plenty Nov 15 11:41:33 the package is imported from suse.. don't their rpmlint rules blow up on this? Nov 15 11:41:50 auke: and if the screen is blank, why would that be.. Nov 15 11:41:55 awsome :-) ... i have a few questions about desired behavior of buttons in meego UI... anybody has a few minutes for me? Nov 15 11:42:06 chris schlaeger was on, just heard him say to someone that they're already shipping AMD meego devices Nov 15 11:42:11 Dephyrial: a UX startup issue perhaps, or another bug Nov 15 11:42:23 Dephyrial: sounds like it's worth a bugreport, is your hardware supported? Nov 15 11:42:24 who's the pearl jam:ish guy? Nov 15 11:42:29 someone from nokia Nov 15 11:42:31 a finn Nov 15 11:42:32 yes Nov 15 11:42:37 they're all hipsters :P Nov 15 11:42:41 lol Nov 15 11:42:47 auke: it's an emulator... i'll try to look a bit deeper into that UX thing. Nov 15 11:43:01 Dephyrial: probably explains the UX startup issue then Nov 15 11:43:09 VM's are not 100% supported Nov 15 11:43:26 you're missing GL-enabled gfx in some of them Nov 15 11:43:46 AMD dude http://i.imgur.com/JuYnz.jpg Nov 15 11:43:51 Does snapshoting work with the qemu arm? Nov 15 11:44:01 btrfs? yeah Nov 15 11:44:03 help you startup times :) Nov 15 11:44:20 AMD guy is using a blackberry Nov 15 11:44:22 doesn't help just yet really, maybe later Nov 15 11:44:24 *booo* Nov 15 11:44:33 lol Nov 15 11:47:42 auke: what if there's a blue background image with some white stuff? is that already the UX? Nov 15 11:47:44 ohnoes Nov 15 11:47:47 what happened Nov 15 11:47:58 ja Nov 15 11:48:02 my stream just died too Nov 15 11:48:18 auke: are you a UI designer? Nov 15 11:48:20 same Nov 15 11:48:24 back Nov 15 11:48:25 ja Nov 15 11:48:30 ♥ Nov 15 11:51:59 interesting to see what AMD will bring Nov 15 11:54:24 yep Nov 15 11:54:57 DawnFoster: pingpong? Nov 15 11:54:59 pvanhoof: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-photo/blobs/master/src/thumbnailer.h - they have their own C++ class for accessing tumbler it seems Nov 15 11:55:40 hey Myrtti Nov 15 11:55:42 LOL Nov 15 11:56:09 heh Nov 15 11:56:12 Myrtti: are you watching the live stream? Nov 15 11:56:19 "so you're supporting the n900 now?" Nov 15 11:56:25 *silence* Nov 15 11:56:26 hehe Nov 15 11:56:32 DawnFoster: yeah Nov 15 11:56:39 fuuuuu I have to go to the doctor Nov 15 11:58:30 DawnFoster, where is that live streaming? Nov 15 11:58:44 http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming Nov 15 11:58:49 thanks! Nov 15 11:59:36 ooo, would be a good idea to put a link of the live stream on the topic :-P Nov 15 12:01:51 i would like to know the desired behavior for a button under the following conditions (using a touch screen): a user touches e button and does not release the touchpoint, moves around within the button for a certain amount of time, and releases the touchpoint afterwards. When does the button actually trigger? Nov 15 12:03:29 zalbisser_: using what toolkit? Nov 15 12:04:04 mikeleib: well... i'm interested in the general behavior... ... i'm working on qt and would need to know how to implement that. Nov 15 12:04:15 mikeleib: (desired behavior) Nov 15 12:04:43 zalbisser_: for a good touchscreen system, it should give a clicked signal after the release Nov 15 12:04:59 note that for a good touch response, the hot-area of the button actually ought to expand after the button-down event Nov 15 12:05:05 mtf does this Nov 15 12:05:06 just came back, who's the the guy with Jim? Nov 15 12:05:08 got meego 1.1 booted on N900, it's pretty seriously "beta" / alpha status no kidding Nov 15 12:05:14 can someone put the streaming link into the topic Nov 15 12:05:23 able to make a call though and that's very impressive :) Nov 15 12:05:50 Jucato: valhalla and Imad Nov 15 12:06:04 mikeleib: okay... so "button down" event when pressing... and "click" event when releaseing on the button. "button release" (without click) when releaseing the touchpoint outside of the button. does that sound ok? Nov 15 12:06:18 thanks Nov 15 12:06:59 topic changed by popular request :) Nov 15 12:07:08 ♥ Nov 15 12:08:08 non-answer about android interoperability Nov 15 12:08:18 doesn't one of the meego tablets have an android VM? Nov 15 12:08:32 lucent: :) Nov 15 12:08:42 zalbisser_: not really. The hot-area of the button should expand after the button-down Nov 15 12:09:06 zalbisser_: as your finger squishes onto the touchscreen, the centroid of the touchpoint probably moves. It may move outside of the button Nov 15 12:09:15 omg! just went for quick dinner and 153 #meegoconf tweets already! Nov 15 12:09:41 jukka: does wifi in 1.1 seem to work? I have an ad-hoc with 40-bit wep key, it's known to work when I connect from Maemo on the same device ; anything special to input hex WEP key? Nov 15 12:09:46 zalbisser_: so, keeping the clicked bahavior has you would for a mouse makes the button nearly unusable Nov 15 12:10:05 lucent: connman doesn't do ad-hoc Nov 15 12:10:11 ah, okay. Nov 15 12:10:51 heh Nov 15 12:11:16 my ad-hoc network name "Gigantic" ; so, I am seeing Gigantic !! Failure Nov 15 12:11:24 * lucent :) Nov 15 12:11:31 yea Nov 15 12:11:56 lucent: using handset? Nov 15 12:12:03 yes, mikeleib Nov 15 12:12:12 N900 hardware Nov 15 12:12:26 IIRC, N900 has odd wifi drivers Nov 15 12:12:46 lucent, mikeleib: should work (with a managed network) but can be a bit flakey Nov 15 12:12:56 there are still one or two open bugs that we're hunting Nov 15 12:12:56 the passphrase is just passed as is to connman, from the textedit box. I don't know if connman expects hex keys to be prefixed with 0x Nov 15 12:13:16 any interesting non-phone pocket meego device around? Nov 15 12:13:19 ah, yes the wifi is particularly interesting to me as a user Nov 15 12:13:24 However, if you enter the passphrase wrong, the crapware gui caches it and won't let you enter a new one Nov 15 12:14:15 lucent: that's a known bug, BTW Nov 15 12:14:32 Q+A session wrapping up Nov 15 12:14:33 okay, at least I will not think I'm crazy for trying it Nov 15 12:14:48 how to safetly reboot from meego handset 1.1 ? Nov 15 12:14:59 no UX for that Nov 15 12:15:01 consume code, whiskey tango foxtrot?! Nov 15 12:15:29 i think the wlan connection tracker drops u out bloody ipv4 Nov 15 12:15:29 lucent: either init 0 from xterm if you have it Nov 15 12:15:42 lucent: or hold the power button down until the screen goes black Nov 15 12:15:46 (~15s) Nov 15 12:15:54 powerbutton does a clean shutdown Nov 15 12:15:57 stephg: okay, holding power button down is soft-off ? Nov 15 12:15:58 neat. Nov 15 12:16:01 and thanks! Nov 15 12:16:02 lucent: also, should you run into problems with the crapware wifi gui, install connman-test and there are some command line tools you can use Nov 15 12:16:08 it takes *ages* Nov 15 12:16:33 finally lucent: if you need networking and can't get wireless working it can do USB networking too Nov 15 12:17:02 * mikeleib flees for lunch Nov 15 12:17:47 ah, I came to trying meego for the 2.6.35 kernel and wifi support, so. With N900 and Nokia's Maemo5 install, some guy modified the wlan drivers to allow injection, but refuses to release source code Nov 15 12:18:15 that just made me think I want to take a look at what a more "open, upstream" development can do Nov 15 12:19:02 wireless-compat is rather tricky to backport into a Maemo kernel Nov 15 12:19:03 lucent: are they not planning on releasing ? I was under the impression those guys were going to release the source. Nov 15 12:19:35 pub time! Nov 15 12:20:22 alterego: wandering o/t but yeah it was called NeoPwn2 and the developer is david (http://david.gnedt.eu/) ; on "moral grounds" he does not share the improvements because it would hurt his promise to the NeoPwn2 folks accepting donations for their work Nov 15 12:20:50 it's all !@#$%^&*() and I'm not going to chase down unreleased code from a guy who clearly states he will not release the code ;) Nov 15 12:21:29 What a homo. Nov 15 12:22:25 the way forward looks like a recent kernel and applying wireless-compat Nov 15 12:22:42 fix the things that are broken, get upstream involved Nov 15 12:22:45 I'd really like packet injection, I've been working on secure comms protocol that requires very low-level packet capabilities. Nov 15 12:23:45 Anything interesting come up at the Q & A? Nov 15 12:24:41 rephrased: anything interesting since the beginning of the conference (other than the free IdeaPads)? Nov 15 12:24:47 alterego: bottom line is it works on the N900, but no source released for the implementation ; it's the only mobile platform I've seen in that format that has it working (source or not) Nov 15 12:25:17 oh I read AMD is joining meego or something? Nov 15 12:25:28 Jucato, from what I've been able to view so far it has been interesting. Nov 15 12:25:37 So I think we differ in our opinions there a little Nov 15 12:31:33 hey guys is live streaming of meego conference working for you? Nov 15 12:31:51 http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming Nov 15 12:32:01 lolloo, it's off at the moment Nov 15 12:32:05 lolloo: lunch break Nov 15 12:32:15 Until 1 (Dublin time) Nov 15 12:32:36 awesome Nov 15 12:33:00 how is it so far? Nov 15 12:34:29 lolloo, good Nov 15 12:34:59 awesome am excited Nov 15 12:37:51 Termana: are there recordings_ Nov 15 12:38:48 chem|st, yeah they are recording everything that's being live streamed as well as probably some of the other sessions (tomorrow they break out into several sessions, I think) Nov 15 12:39:21 chem|st, obviously, they aren't available right away though. I would expect them to be up a couple of days after the conference Nov 15 12:40:55 omnomnom soup Nov 15 12:40:57 Oh no - after this break they split up, according to the schedule. Nov 15 12:41:57 ACTION  Nov 15 12:42:50 RST38h, go away Nov 15 12:42:55 :P Nov 15 12:43:06 Anyone cares to summarize what is goign on at the conference? Nov 15 12:43:10 Preemptive strike Nov 15 12:43:11 pre-empted :) Nov 15 12:43:12 Termana: No cheating =) Nov 15 12:43:27 RST38h, nothing is going on - they are eating lunch Nov 15 12:43:49 Termana: ok fine, at least they made it to the livestreaming... would be awesome to have someone do that with a meego handset and do some interviews Nov 15 12:44:16 I'd like to see the lunch, see what I'm missing Nov 15 12:44:23 we need roving live stremers Nov 15 12:44:29 Cold food, I guess... Nov 15 12:48:15 semi warm buffet food luvly salmon / tomato / pasta Nov 15 12:48:36 while waiting for the stream to start up again, here, have a kitty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XID_W4neJo Nov 15 12:48:56 frest fruit tubs for desert and/or ben&jerry ice cream tubs Nov 15 12:49:12 hmm, making me hungry Nov 15 12:49:32 who was sponsering that nosh again? can see any novell branding/posters up Nov 15 12:49:43 odinm, so you're going to do what we agreed right? Send some of it to me in the mail Nov 15 12:49:49 :P Nov 15 12:51:02 Myrtti, that cat has some sort of strange obsession with boxes Nov 15 12:51:13 My cat doesn't do any of that Nov 15 12:52:29 Termana: well, it's Maru Nov 15 12:53:42 the action is cute, but the cat is fat >.< Nov 15 12:54:24 wow that's one symmetrical coat pattern he has on his back O.o Nov 15 13:04:27 are the streams continuing? I'd like to see atleast Dawn's Nov 15 13:04:47 Myrtti, yes Nov 15 13:05:27 Myrtti, if you look down the page you can see the stream schedule Nov 15 13:05:55 Termana: and I also see it's minute to 1300 Nov 15 13:06:16 hmm, my page shows local Dublin time @ 12.45 Nov 15 13:06:23 lardman: refresh the page? Nov 15 13:06:34 still 12.45 Nov 15 13:06:39 That's strange mine says that too - but that's not truthful Nov 15 13:06:49 strange, mine just refreshed to 1300 Nov 15 13:07:01 It's 1pm in Dublin Nov 15 13:07:26 ssssttttrreeaammmmmmmm Nov 15 13:08:10 Myrtti, it's on? Nov 15 13:08:12 Not loading for me Nov 15 13:08:45 Termana: no, it's not, and I'm banging the F5 in hope it would do something Nov 15 13:09:07 * Myrtti is a sad bunny Nov 15 13:09:28 And the video people were doing so good Nov 15 13:09:32 Now I have to kill them Nov 15 13:09:37 :p Nov 15 13:09:39 son, I is disappoint Nov 15 13:09:52 there was a tweet earlier reporting wireless issues Nov 15 13:10:03 at the venue Nov 15 13:10:09 hmm, must be broken here then, everytime I refresh I go back to 12.45 Nov 15 13:10:32 vgrade_: which didn't affect the stream in any way Nov 15 13:10:58 meh. Nov 15 13:10:59 12:47 now on that page Nov 15 13:11:08 did they say they were going to reconfig something? Nov 15 13:11:14 oh now I'm back to 12:45 too :) Nov 15 13:11:26 The talk has already started according to GAN Nov 15 13:11:26 * Myrtti gives up Nov 15 13:11:28 :( Nov 15 13:11:31 :-< Nov 15 13:11:34 omg! meegoconf has caused a time anomaly! Nov 15 13:11:43 we had a ~60s lag vefore, so there's still time Nov 15 13:11:51 Lots of different people under the community heading. Nov 15 13:11:54 I think it's actually the LHC :P Nov 15 13:12:11 Wifi was limited for the first few keynotes, apparently. Nov 15 13:12:15 alterego, :P Nov 15 13:12:16 boo. I want the stream :-C Nov 15 13:12:20 hmm, and this should be quite interesting Nov 15 13:12:23 damn I'm mssing thiago's talk Nov 15 13:12:37 List of participation areas. Nov 15 13:13:02 STREAMS ON! Nov 15 13:13:03 http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/12284_MeeGo_Conference_Day_1_Live.php will be as live as it will get now I think :( Nov 15 13:13:11 Just kidding, although you all wet your pants Nov 15 13:13:16 :P Nov 15 13:13:35 * Jucato throws his F5 key at Termana Nov 15 13:13:49 should be a lot of N900s around, get Bambuser on one off those and start streaming! ;) Nov 15 13:14:10 lol even allaboutmeego is "on standby" Nov 15 13:14:17 time has updated Nov 15 13:14:20 its too bad. desperately want the stream Nov 15 13:14:39 me too. I was looking forward more to the sessions after lunch :( Nov 15 13:15:00 * odinm is in Meego Infrastructure talk Nov 15 13:15:10 come on AV people Nov 15 13:15:33 is any organizer listening to us!!!! Nov 15 13:15:44 Well, the camera's rolling. Nov 15 13:16:10 looks like all talks are videoed so i hope to see the session i missed online later Nov 15 13:16:34 Challenges of forming a new community out of two older projects. Nov 15 13:17:19 Few devices, difficult sdk, not much incentive for non-corporate, openness and information flow needs work. Nov 15 13:17:20 * lardman thinks a transcription service via N900s in the audience would be good Nov 15 13:17:25 More process documentation. Nov 15 13:17:38 Well if the stream comes on, someone highlight me Nov 15 13:17:45 Slides : Talk is about 1 : 1 Nov 15 13:17:47 will do Nov 15 13:17:52 * javispedro is on the infrastructure talk Nov 15 13:18:35 stskeeps? Nov 15 13:18:39 mm? Nov 15 13:19:04 to your knowledge - is there currently or is there being worked on a way to do OTA contacts sync for meego? Nov 15 13:19:13 native, no thirdparty shitz... Nov 15 13:19:28 amd&meego: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6AE15A20101115 Nov 15 13:19:35 tybollt: buteo Nov 15 13:19:38 maybe Nov 15 13:19:40 tybollt: there's a framework I believe. Nov 15 13:19:43 Goal for 2011: get more people more actively involved. Nov 15 13:19:43 buteo? Nov 15 13:20:16 buteo sync solution Nov 15 13:20:19 Make it easier and more worthwhile for people to be involved. Nov 15 13:20:20 * tybollt googlers WIN Nov 15 13:20:31 Stskeeps: danke Nov 15 13:20:33 Seeking budget for MeeGo device queue. Nov 15 13:20:42 or is that "takk" praps :) Nov 15 13:20:45 Event incentive. Nov 15 13:20:49 (s) Nov 15 13:20:58 stweam \o/ Nov 15 13:21:00 Termana: live Nov 15 13:21:02 stream's Nov 15 13:21:04 … or not Nov 15 13:21:05 not back Nov 15 13:21:07 lol Nov 15 13:21:14 I guess I'm not the only one :D Nov 15 13:21:21 Slides will be up later. Nov 15 13:21:27 yeah fallen over now Nov 15 13:21:29 stream was back for a moment but gone again :( Nov 15 13:21:33 heh Nov 15 13:22:14 ah dev device program I see timsamoff has posted Nov 15 13:22:27 Twitteringj bastard. Nov 15 13:22:32 yay! Nov 15 13:22:35 stweam! Nov 15 13:22:39 yoi Nov 15 13:22:39 THANK YOU! Nov 15 13:22:41 stream Nov 15 13:22:44 Improve communication channels. Nov 15 13:22:44 thanks AV people Nov 15 13:22:49 stream back :) Nov 15 13:22:57 yay! Nov 15 13:23:02 dev device program who what where? Nov 15 13:23:05 I need tht Nov 15 13:23:06 that Nov 15 13:23:55 mece, seeking funding for it now. Nov 15 13:24:02 Plans for . . . Nov 15 13:24:03 GAN900, awesome. Nov 15 13:24:17 ~curse segfaults Nov 15 13:24:17 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, segfaults ! Nov 15 13:24:32 Improve process documentation to lower barriers to entry. Nov 15 13:24:37 GAN900, is there more info about this? Nov 15 13:24:51 mece: it was just a comment Nov 15 13:24:55 mece: so not yet Nov 15 13:24:57 ok Nov 15 13:25:00 There's the shout out to andre__ Nov 15 13:26:15 Be sure to report your SDK issues. Nov 15 13:26:29 Ronan is working on an improved application developer site. Nov 15 13:27:10 Question about the device program Nov 15 13:27:13 ♥ Dawn ♥ Nov 15 13:27:16 Seeking OEM support? Nov 15 13:27:22 hawt! Nov 15 13:27:24 Yes, will do so. Nov 15 13:27:57 Putting together framework for applicants and device donors. Nov 15 13:28:22 hmm, numbers sound quite low Nov 15 13:28:42 Some "Bob" fellow is saying "they're" doing something similar in Q1 2011 Nov 15 13:28:57 anyone know where Bob is from? Nov 15 13:29:18 he's Alice's neighbour Nov 15 13:29:22 lardman, nope. Nov 15 13:29:32 hi! Did anyone have problems on creating madde development env? I'm trying to create target and got 'Can not find qt installation in' error Nov 15 13:29:38 Got an iPhone, the bastard. Nov 15 13:29:50 Would bet Intel. Nov 15 13:29:58 :) Nov 15 13:30:02 Community guidelines: Nov 15 13:30:08 Assume good faith Nov 15 13:30:22 Process documentation is limited, assume good faith Nov 15 13:30:36 Openness issues are human error, assume good faith Nov 15 13:30:56 It's not a conspiracy, evidently. Nov 15 13:31:59 Except it's not really improving. Nov 15 13:32:15 Sorry, trolling. Nov 15 13:32:19 :) Nov 15 13:32:34 Talking about andre__ and the bugzilla openness issue. Nov 15 13:32:53 Everyone is in this together. Nov 15 13:32:56 the "it's a new project" point kinda strikes me as odd. isn't it already 1+ year? Nov 15 13:33:06 9 months Nov 15 13:33:19 Everybody can contribute! Nov 15 13:33:30 really? just 9 months? :O Nov 15 13:33:32 everything's relative, I suppose -- andoid is what, 4 years old? Nov 15 13:33:33 it does not take more time for new human Nov 15 13:33:35 List of non-technical contributions (you can figure it out, I'm sure). Nov 15 13:34:08 GAN900: I know women who give birth faster, and there a proper (most of the time ugly) human pops out Nov 15 13:34:11 1.0 to 1.1 is 6 months. but before 1.0 is just 3 months? O.o Nov 15 13:35:14 timeless_xchat, where are you hiding? Nov 15 13:35:24 Jucato: crazy times back then Nov 15 13:35:34 Technical contributions slides Nov 15 13:35:38 (fill in the blank) Nov 15 13:36:05 I guess considering it has just indeed been 9 months, I'm somewhat impressed at the current status :) Nov 15 13:36:20 GAN900, is most of the audience at an angle from the wall? Nov 15 13:36:30 Which wall? Nov 15 13:36:32 (I guess my long wait for maemo kinda carried over to meego) Nov 15 13:36:42 GAN900, the main backdrop Nov 15 13:36:56 The groups on either side are at about a 15-degree angle Nov 15 13:37:01 Center group is square. Nov 15 13:37:16 Contribution URLs slide Nov 15 13:37:17 GAN900, on the stream Dawn is on an angle to the camera Nov 15 13:37:38 Seems like bad camera positioning Nov 15 13:37:50 Yeah, camera is way off to the left. Nov 15 13:38:02 Hey, any idea which toolchain is used to build the meego x86 images ? Nov 15 13:38:09 Termana, what do you mean? Dawn has a nice enough profile :P Nov 15 13:38:09 Farthest side of the room about 1/5th of the way back. Nov 15 13:38:29 mece: No comment :P Nov 15 13:39:20 What happens if you don't get contributors? Nov 15 13:39:24 mece: but front view > profile :P Nov 15 13:39:35 Jucato, yea Nov 15 13:40:20 2011 event list Nov 15 13:40:31 hmm, May Nov 15 13:40:33 MeeGo conference will be 6 months Nov 15 13:40:33 I am so going to that may conference. dammit! Nov 15 13:40:46 meh Nov 15 13:40:47 SF event is industry oriented. Nov 15 13:40:47 damn Nov 15 13:41:09 I wonder what that one banner with MeeGo International event in Oulu was about then Nov 15 13:41:14 November is developer and community-oriented, May is industry. Nov 15 13:41:16 "cool announcements" ... kinda sounds like the MeeGo device will be announced there Nov 15 13:41:23 I saw a picture in Twitter or somewhere Nov 15 13:41:34 which means the actual device might ship in June? (given Elop's new policy) Nov 15 13:41:36 Myrtti, apparently there are some local events coming. Someone tweeted about a moscow event too Nov 15 13:42:02 mece: I knew about the Tampere one, but it doesn't claim to be an International one Nov 15 13:42:22 Jucato, I hope not. someone has mentioned "early" 2011 imo. Nov 15 13:42:22 MeeGo does not tie in with Intel developer conferences. Nov 15 13:42:34 Nor Nokia events. Nov 15 13:42:37 Jucato: are you trying to draw conclusions from what dawn (intel community rep) and elop (nokia ceo) says independent of each other? Nov 15 13:42:48 could someone ask Dawn if non-developers could be included in device programmes or other similar plans? Nov 15 13:42:53 Q&A Nov 15 13:43:14 Myrtti: she said that they need to work out what people need to do to apply Nov 15 13:43:18 what's awesome? Nov 15 13:43:18 Yes! Nov 15 13:43:34 THANK YOU Nov 15 13:43:38 Woooo! Nov 15 13:43:50 \o/ Nov 15 13:43:58 that is awesome. Nov 15 13:44:04 heh Nov 15 13:44:23 GAN900: no IRC life twittering this time ? Nov 15 13:44:24 I ♥ Dawn Nov 15 13:44:54 Myrtti: you must be a native speaker Nov 15 13:45:09 in the future, we should just put the irc channel on screen :) Nov 15 13:45:11 How do we integrate KDE, Qt devs, whatever people into the community? Nov 15 13:45:13 frals: Nokia says the first Nokia MeeGo based device will be in 2011 (no month). Dawn mentions the SF MeeGo event (in May) will be more focused on the industry, and making cool announcements. just trying to think of scenarios. of course I'm not privy to Nokia's plans so I can only guess Nov 15 13:45:17 DocScrutinizer: native speaker of what? Nov 15 13:45:30 Can someone ask what methods she believes could be useful in allowing potential contributors to find out what needs to be contributed to and worked on? Nov 15 13:45:32 Texas? Nov 15 13:45:38 javispedro, designated IRC-life interface would be good. Nov 15 13:45:39 dunno Nov 15 13:46:08 woo! Nov 15 13:46:10 "Depends on what you're trying to do and how they're contributing." Nov 15 13:46:28 DocScrutinizer: Native speaker of Finnish, though I've been mistaken for a Brit Nov 15 13:46:31 randy is texrat, right? Nov 15 13:46:49 mece, yes. Nov 15 13:46:52 Myrtti: anyway my fan still louder than Dawn Nov 15 13:46:58 Myrtti, you have the accent. Nov 15 13:47:11 GAN900: which :-P Nov 15 13:47:21 Myrtti, of a brit. Nov 15 13:47:28 have they fixed the repo for Debian/5.0 so that I can do apt-get install meego? Nov 15 13:47:40 lcuk: "Is there a place we can perform MeeGo shillery on the website?" Nov 15 13:47:48 LOL Nov 15 13:47:49 *snerk* I'll be sure to thank BF about that :-P Nov 15 13:47:51 Sorry, positive feedback area. Nov 15 13:47:53 looks like no Nov 15 13:48:31 Answer is: Don't know yet. Nov 15 13:48:31 GAN900, are you able to see if you can put my question across Nov 15 13:48:43 Bah nevermind Nov 15 13:49:00 * mece applauds Nov 15 13:49:12 * phellarv listens to creepy music Nov 15 13:49:24 elevator music :) Nov 15 13:49:27 could do with a parabolic mike to aim at the people asking questions Nov 15 13:49:35 and also zoom out so we can see the slides Nov 15 13:49:41 or have them online for us to view in real time Nov 15 13:49:42 Howcome my meegon isn't on any of the backdrops? Nov 15 13:49:44 lardman, I think it's just because the stream audio level is low Nov 15 13:50:06 Termana: oh right Nov 15 13:50:13 yeah, the level is really low, I had to turn off my pidgin alert sounds Nov 15 13:50:15 is the meego video that was shown in the very first keynote new? Nov 15 13:50:17 stream cut Nov 15 13:50:22 oh streaming down Nov 15 13:50:30 well the session ended Nov 15 13:51:13 * Jucato hopes they make the meegon video available for download Nov 15 13:51:30 Jucato, was there a make the meegon? Nov 15 13:51:32 lardman: ++ Nov 15 13:52:03 mece: dunno. was referring to that short "cartoon" that was shown in the first keynote Nov 15 13:52:12 Jucato, missed it Nov 15 13:52:20 Myrtti: alas I can't turn off my laptop fan Nov 15 13:53:19 I wonder if the WeTab's fan are noisy as well :) Nov 15 13:54:50 niala: btw, thank you muchos, the link you gave me turned out to be crusial :) Nov 15 13:55:17 *crucial Nov 15 13:57:50 oh lord, after turning the volume up for listening to the stream, I get a minor shock everytime there's any sound effect... just jumped on my seat because of Seesmic Web soundeffects Nov 15 13:59:42 hmm, is not so bad here Nov 15 13:59:50 just fine here Nov 15 13:59:57 I've turned the vol all the way up, but nothing too loud Nov 15 14:00:07 running using Win though Nov 15 14:00:14 stream is off at the moment right? Nov 15 14:00:20 I'm on Linux Mint 10. works fine. Nov 15 14:00:21 yep for me Nov 15 14:00:21 yeah Nov 15 14:01:19 music is back Nov 15 14:01:36 and stream for that matter Nov 15 14:03:02 At least they have it on *before* the talk this time Nov 15 14:04:14 GAN900, kathy called it a flower garden Nov 15 14:04:25 * lcuk first time on irc mobile lol Nov 15 14:04:59 hey lcuk Nov 15 14:05:33 hi simon Nov 15 14:05:54 could someone ask the streaming guys to level up audio gain by at LEAST 12dBm Nov 15 14:06:20 soo.. who feels like filming the "Who What When Where" presentation? Nov 15 14:06:42 Termana, ah, sorry, missed it. Nov 15 14:06:51 I'd really like to see that one. Nov 15 14:06:54 Termana, if I bump into Dawn later I'll ask. Nov 15 14:06:56 * lardman tries "guess the attendee from a dark image of the back of their head" Nov 15 14:07:14 GAN900, no problem thanks - if not I'll just ask her on IRC at a later date anyway Nov 15 14:08:08 mece: it SHOULD be recorded, just not streamed AFAIK Nov 15 14:08:10 oo, we're off Nov 15 14:08:29 hmm Nov 15 14:10:48 +9dB *please* Nov 15 14:11:05 can i see what's going on pls? Nov 15 14:11:12 link? Nov 15 14:11:13 http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming Nov 15 14:11:15 DocScrutinizer: can't you fiddle with your audio settings, is fine here Nov 15 14:11:16 thanks :) Nov 15 14:11:26 all maxed out Nov 15 14:11:39 change the flash plugin settings? Nov 15 14:11:51 how? Nov 15 14:12:07 I right clicked in the middle of the video, but this is Win7 Nov 15 14:12:13 are there more than one vol control? Nov 15 14:12:30 Win7 has per-app, per-plugin, per-phase of the moon, etc Nov 15 14:14:08 are there more than one vol control on flash plugin? Nov 15 14:14:31 don't think so, not here anyway Nov 15 14:14:46 meh, that's useless Nov 15 14:16:27 lardman, win7 doesn't have static IP config. Nov 15 14:16:38 ? Nov 15 14:16:42 yes it does Nov 15 14:16:43 huh what did you say crashie? Nov 15 14:16:47 damn ctrl w Nov 15 14:16:48 huh what did you say crashie? Nov 15 14:17:10 are you just instigating now or what :) Nov 15 14:17:21 sorry? Nov 15 14:17:34 < crashanddie> lardman, win7 doesn't have static IP config. Nov 15 14:17:36 last I read, Win7Phone didn't have static IP config. Nov 15 14:17:37 @ meegoconf: flash HD need a 'big' processor no ? Nov 15 14:17:41 ehr Nov 15 14:17:47 only DHCP. Nov 15 14:17:50 do'h I read that as windows 7 ;) Nov 15 14:17:55 not talking about the phone here Nov 15 14:17:56 nhaa :P Nov 15 14:18:09 I'm not that stupid to say something like that. Nov 15 14:18:18 I'd even be capable to understand current speaker, if it weren't for my laptop fan being same level as the audio Nov 15 14:18:28 I don't think you need to implement all that DRM crap Nov 15 14:18:36 crashanddie: Exactly I know you're not hence my being surprised Nov 15 14:18:41 Just ignore what it tells you and play it anyway Nov 15 14:18:46 * tybollt slaps frals w/ mohammad Nov 15 14:19:53 Are there parallel sessions running atm or is everyone listing to the TV stuff? Nov 15 14:20:06 i am on the beagleboard session Nov 15 14:20:32 any cameras in there? I'd like to watch some other sessions eventually Nov 15 14:20:39 video cameras that is Nov 15 14:21:00 lardman, the other ones are being recorded not live streamed Nov 15 14:21:07 cool Nov 15 14:21:10 unfortunately only president's terrace has a live stream Nov 15 14:21:19 tybollt, Windows 7 Phone, no support for encrypted mail folders (so not compatible with most enterprise Microsoft Exchange servers), no support for static IPs (only DHCP), no HTML5, Mobile Office is horrendous (can't open my company's doc files)... Nov 15 14:21:34 now there is a speak about meego and tv Nov 15 14:22:03 yes there are cameras here lardman, dunno where is the feed going to though... Nov 15 14:22:21 i don't know if it's a live stream or a recorded Nov 15 14:22:24 oh, isee (damn lag) Nov 15 14:22:32 np, thanks Nov 15 14:23:01 crashanddie: :-/ Nov 15 14:23:27 aha Nov 15 14:23:30 crashanddie: then still, it is good news for all those MS brown noses out there cause "zOMG it looks purty" :-/ Nov 15 14:23:38 level like noise Nov 15 14:23:49 meh, bye conference Nov 15 14:32:31 lol disable security and restore it Nov 15 14:33:35 if you have lost your D4 room key, it's at the info desk Nov 15 14:35:47 AMD , yes ... Nov 15 14:48:38 is the conference finished? Nov 15 14:48:46 lolloo, no Nov 15 14:48:49 i think Nov 15 14:48:52 sorry Nov 15 14:48:58 just a talk finished Nov 15 14:49:27 so my TV will make more happy Nov 15 14:49:29 eh? Nov 15 14:49:31 hehehe Nov 15 14:49:53 I dont want to install apps on my TV Nov 15 14:50:14 well they can be quite useful Nov 15 14:50:14 awesome talk. Guy is so experienced Nov 15 14:50:24 and it's all about bringing the development together Nov 15 14:50:30 correct Nov 15 14:51:04 what's the next topic? Nov 15 14:51:15 Rapid App Development with Qt Quick Nov 15 14:51:30 Qt is shortcut for quick time? Nov 15 14:51:34 idea for tv an anti-spam for publicity!!! Nov 15 14:51:35 no Nov 15 14:51:45 what is it then? Nov 15 14:51:54 http://qt.nokia.com/products/ Nov 15 14:51:59 awesome Nov 15 14:52:59 Qt is Java like Nov 15 14:53:24 er, no. It's GTK like Nov 15 14:53:30 lolloo: qt is c++ Nov 15 14:53:38 I Qt every where Nov 15 14:53:43 niala: not necessarily Nov 15 14:53:49 but is supposed to be write once compile many Nov 15 14:53:58 awesome C++ is always faster Nov 15 14:54:06 Myrtti: exact Nov 15 14:54:52 lol elevator music Nov 15 14:54:57 hehehe Nov 15 14:55:10 better accent this time Nov 15 14:55:34 how do you pronounce Qt? Nov 15 14:55:39 cute Nov 15 14:55:54 thanks lardman Nov 15 14:56:05 Anyone tried out the SDK ? Nov 15 14:56:29 I used test app for it Nov 15 14:56:37 it's very simple and complete if you know c++ Nov 15 14:57:04 so there was a QML photoviewer for the N900 Nov 15 14:57:06 :D Nov 15 14:58:37 is there slides available for the presentations? Nov 15 14:58:43 are we from Mars? Nov 15 14:58:53 petteri: there will be but later Nov 15 14:59:46 lardman: thanks. I am looking the presentation and it is little confusing to see the presentator click throught the slides that one cannot see Nov 15 14:59:58 yeah I know Nov 15 14:59:58 petteri: +1 Nov 15 15:00:12 would be nice to have the slides up online at the same time, perhaps tomorrow ;) Nov 15 15:00:14 but he have a nice t'hsirt Nov 15 15:00:22 hey camera chap, zoom out please Nov 15 15:00:36 need to see the projector :( Nov 15 15:00:55 ty a lot :) Nov 15 15:00:56 whuhuu :) Nov 15 15:01:00 thanks :) Nov 15 15:01:03 lardman: Nice! :-) Nov 15 15:01:17 yay thanks :) Nov 15 15:01:24 we are afaiu lagging, so nothing to do with me anyway :) Nov 15 15:01:26 awesome Nov 15 15:02:06 * GAN900 is in IVI. Nov 15 15:02:17 IVI? Nov 15 15:02:29 in vehicle entertainment Nov 15 15:02:36 thanks Nov 15 15:02:41 or something like that Nov 15 15:02:56 GAN900: jumping dolphin animations? Nov 15 15:03:47 not sure about all this typing, if they want easy to use then going the VB route would imo be better Nov 15 15:03:59 drag and drop controls, write some code where you're told to, etc Nov 15 15:04:11 there is a qtdesigner to Nov 15 15:04:36 are these numbers pixel values? how does that help with resolution independence? Nov 15 15:04:37 maybe he show later Nov 15 15:04:43 yeah I imagine you can generate that code in the designer too Nov 15 15:05:23 alsihad: you probably don't need to specify pixel values, or can change the size scale to use screen percentage or dpi or similar Nov 15 15:05:30 as a guess Nov 15 15:05:31 lardman: you know slot and signal ? Nov 15 15:05:37 niala: yep Nov 15 15:06:18 so with clic you can join signals and slots in qtdesigner Nov 15 15:06:36 lardman: Most examples of qt apps I have seen use pixel cooridnates for some reason Nov 15 15:06:37 anybody know how to get the stream from this page "http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming" into vlc Nov 15 15:06:47 yeah, though QT Creator requires you to see the generated code, which is not ideal for starters Nov 15 15:07:11 RST38h: I think it's possible to use other metrics though, but I could be thinking of another language and toolkit Nov 15 15:07:25 kenjo: it's a flash video Nov 15 15:08:00 lardman: Qt has special "filler" widgets used to fill empty spaces Nov 15 15:08:14 lardman: more or less like HTML table cells of size 100% Nov 15 15:08:28 yeah, those and layouts are confusing if we're talking about complete beginners Nov 15 15:08:54 lardman: still, I would rather have complete beginners learn them from the start Nov 15 15:08:58 RST38h: you mean layer by 'special filler' ? Nov 15 15:09:01 (not as confusing or annoying as layouting in HTML/CSS) Nov 15 15:09:05 and while I remember, moving things around in QTDesigner (like dropping widgets into layouts) can be nearly impossible Nov 15 15:09:11 lardman: *or* they will be using coordinates for the rest fo their lives Nov 15 15:09:24 DawnFoster: thanks for the "non-dev device programme" answer :-) Nov 15 15:09:25 niala: no Nov 15 15:09:25 Jucato: sure, but we're talking about getting newbies to code Nov 15 15:09:46 Myrtti: was that your question? :) Nov 15 15:09:49 yeah :-D Nov 15 15:10:06 lardman: Well, it is way easier to code UI than use the designer :) Nov 15 15:10:19 Nice! I think it's really important to reward & provide resources for all contributors Nov 15 15:10:27 Myrtti: I just talked to Amy, and we'll look at getting some MeeGo T-shirts out available through perhaps caffeepress out after the conference Nov 15 15:10:32 RST38h: yep and that's the problem Nov 15 15:10:38 auke: brilliant ♥ Nov 15 15:10:41 lardman: To me, it is not Nov 15 15:11:10 we really need to put together a proper t-shirt / schwag shop for meego Nov 15 15:11:11 lardman: To people responsible for the QtDesigner, maybe Nov 15 15:11:16 like what the LF has for Linux Nov 15 15:11:24 RST38h: again, this Qt Quick thing is supposed to make it easy for non-devs to code, so in that case a nice UI-based development system is what they need Nov 15 15:11:24 I want one t-shirt Nov 15 15:11:37 lardman: I'm also referring to newbies to web design :) Nov 15 15:11:43 lardman: Has been attempted before, invariably failed. Nov 15 15:11:47 VB Nov 15 15:11:51 lardman: Right. Nov 15 15:12:02 just saying that understanding and using Q*Layout is so much more easier and pleasing than layouting in CSS :) Nov 15 15:12:02 I think it's pretty easy to code with Nov 15 15:12:24 Jucato: yeah I can believe that, never having wanted to look at CSS :) Nov 15 15:12:26 lardman: Still not usable by a non-developer for anything bigger than the first 2-3 book examples Nov 15 15:12:56 lardman: (also, VB used absolute coordinates with a snap grid) Nov 15 15:13:00 I know Nov 15 15:13:32 how about illumination software creator? :) Nov 15 15:13:43 never used it, what does it generate? Nov 15 15:14:20 looks like LabView Nov 15 15:14:22 :) Nov 15 15:14:22 haven't tried it either. it "compiles" graphical representation of programs into python/gtk, android, qt/c++ (afair) Nov 15 15:14:41 and it's meant for non-coders Nov 15 15:15:04 Are any non-coders using it?=) Nov 15 15:15:27 * Jucato will read the scrollback later after watching, too distracting :) Nov 15 15:15:35 i think so. but i don't know what they build with it Nov 15 15:16:09 i'm lost Nov 15 15:19:44 yeah, anyone running driftnet? Nov 15 15:19:53 :) Nov 15 15:20:24 kenjo: looks like it can only be started from javascript data="http://player.netromedia.com/flowplayer.commercial-3.1.5.swf" "key":"#$73f1e392784f1491601" Nov 15 15:23:16 he has not a lot of warning like me on his debug consol :) Nov 15 15:23:30 who is the proxy here to ask questions in the conf? Nov 15 15:23:31 :) Nov 15 15:23:50 just ask and someone will ask for you, hopefully ;) Nov 15 15:24:19 good :) Nov 15 15:25:09 the WYSIWYG thing would make the learning curve lot less steep, if not for anything else than toggling between wysiwyg and source and see what does what Nov 15 15:27:12 Myrtti: +1 completely agree Nov 15 15:27:29 that's how I learnt proper HTML 15 years ago Nov 15 15:27:29 can I go to the desired page (for instance 525.) in osso_pdfviewer ? Nov 15 15:28:58 cool, mobile mic, thanks AV guys Nov 15 15:30:30 one question here guys Nov 15 15:30:31 : Nov 15 15:30:36 What is the recommended way to do transitions (between views) in QML?, Nov 15 15:30:37 I have noticed you can do many interesting things for transitions controlling the Nov 15 15:30:37 opacity of the elements, but I wonder if this could create some Nov 15 15:30:37 performance problems. Nov 15 15:30:42 can somebody ask this one? Nov 15 15:30:46 too late Nov 15 15:30:48 :-< Nov 15 15:30:50 clap clap clap Nov 15 15:30:51 elevator music time Nov 15 15:30:54 ..... Nov 15 15:30:57 what's our lag? Nov 15 15:30:59 wc Nov 15 15:31:06 is important for those who want to ask questions Nov 15 15:31:15 araujo: if you're on twitter you can ask him directly Nov 15 15:31:22 araujo: and he is on IRC quite often Nov 15 15:31:29 I will! :P Nov 15 15:31:33 Thanks! Nov 15 15:31:51 his handle is hhartz on both, IIRC Nov 15 15:32:57 funky elevator music :) Nov 15 15:33:09 Jucato: yes banjo time Nov 15 15:33:22 it's not too bad, it could be pan pipes Nov 15 15:33:30 "count your blessings" Nov 15 15:34:49 bag pipes? Nov 15 15:34:57 * Jucato doesn't know pan pipes Nov 15 15:35:06 Is laptop for presentation on meego or windows95 ? :) Nov 15 15:35:21 Jucato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_flute Nov 15 15:35:32 ah pan flute I know :) Nov 15 15:35:54 but since it's Ireland there, I would have presumed bagpipes take priority :) Nov 15 15:36:23 bagpipes have been banned due to human rights concerns Nov 15 15:36:28 need somes olives to eat Nov 15 15:36:39 berndhs: seriously? Nov 15 15:36:45 Jucato: I just refer to my experiences on being held on customer service telephone calls Nov 15 15:37:09 they're afraid of the torture accusations Nov 15 15:37:11 Myrtti: heh then I don't know what's worse, pan pipes or crappy pop music :) Nov 15 15:37:16 berndhs: lol Nov 15 15:38:27 * GAN900 is in the arch session. Nov 15 15:38:31 Is other session in same times ? several at same times ? Nov 15 15:38:57 yep. typical geek conference Nov 15 15:39:07 but only 1 track (1 location) is being broadcasted live Nov 15 15:39:30 ok maybe recorded ? Nov 15 15:39:30 I wish people had FlipCams like I had at the Linux Collab Summit Nov 15 15:39:41 then the others could atleast be recorded Nov 15 15:39:45 don't know if they are Nov 15 15:39:47 niala: hopefully :/ Nov 15 15:39:58 on n900 Nov 15 15:40:16 :) Nov 15 15:40:24 I guess we should be grateful we're even getting a live feed. I know of no such thing during Qt DevDays Nov 15 15:40:41 (and they post the videos after a long period) Nov 15 15:40:49 does anyone know how to do audio capture on Qt on Meego ? the old QAudioInput stuff is gone Nov 15 15:40:52 yes great job Nov 15 15:41:04 anybody know whats next on the live steam? Nov 15 15:41:16 http://conference2010.meego.com/session/qt-c-and-qml-code-co-operation Nov 15 15:41:28 snowpong: the schedule is underneath the stream itself... Nov 15 15:41:52 hard rock time :) my heart has jump Nov 15 15:42:55 it's a bit amusing to listen to the music while watching the next speaker typing away :) Nov 15 15:43:12 Myrtti: so it's the Qt C++ and QML then I guess Nov 15 15:43:17 how come it echoes that much? Nov 15 15:43:23 the previous ones haven't echoed Nov 15 15:45:33 Myrtti: no echo here Nov 15 15:45:40 it's gone now Nov 15 15:45:59 I guess that loud *ponk* was someone turning the extra mic off and the echo was gone Nov 15 15:46:16 might need to see the screen again Nov 15 15:47:06 maaaaybe :) Nov 15 15:47:35 would be cool to see the slides Nov 15 15:47:55 Can someone ask the cameraman to pan across? Nov 15 15:48:02 Yes please Nov 15 15:48:23 the volume is even lower than before Nov 15 15:48:32 or he's not as loud Nov 15 15:48:46 Myrtti: not really for me Nov 15 15:48:54 same as before for me Nov 15 15:49:07 or my brain is becoming numb Nov 15 15:49:11 :) Nov 15 15:49:13 which is also a viable option Nov 15 15:49:26 Seems like there are cameras in most sessions. Nov 15 15:49:27 it's a test of imagination ... try imagining the code he's talking about :) Nov 15 15:49:41 So I think they're at least recording most of the talks. Nov 15 15:49:51 yay! Nov 15 15:49:57 well panned that man :) Nov 15 15:49:58 yeah! thank you Nov 15 15:50:02 it reminds us of how all this visual stuff works for teh blind Nov 15 15:50:09 hehehe Nov 15 15:50:16 Jucato: I couldn't recognise C++ even if it jumped on me, so I'm having real trouble imagining :-D Nov 15 15:50:21 not funny berndhs Nov 15 15:50:29 Myrtti: just imagine a jungle of { }'s :) Nov 15 15:50:31 if someone could just ask that chap in the middle to lower his head a bit too ;) Nov 15 15:50:38 Jucato: that's Java or CSS for me :-P Nov 15 15:50:43 erh Nov 15 15:50:48 yeah Nov 15 15:50:50 lolloo: i agree, its a real concern Nov 15 15:50:51 lardman: isn't the the "button" to bring up the menu? :) Nov 15 15:50:51 Myrtti: Looks like your signature at Meego.com, only with more alphanumerics =) Nov 15 15:51:19 Jucato: no idea :) Nov 15 15:51:31 haven't seen the MeeGo Handset UX? Nov 15 15:52:03 shortly i m not sure Nov 15 15:52:04 I was taking the mick, I can just see the top of someone's head Nov 15 15:52:20 I know :) Nov 15 15:52:45 it's an ubuntu at top left ? Nov 15 15:53:01 yep Nov 15 15:53:58 and madde for qt/qml demo Nov 15 15:55:06 I m not sure Nov 15 15:55:11 I apparently saw wazd, but didn't realize it was him. Nov 15 15:55:28 hi Nov 15 15:56:22 hi Mat_Matan Nov 15 15:58:00 Myrtti: his voice is just low/soft (like murmuring to himself) Nov 15 15:58:28 oh my god ... qml is really horrible Nov 15 15:58:40 looking css and javascript Nov 15 15:58:42 ouch Nov 15 15:58:49 Hehe Nov 15 15:59:06 Khertan: Better tell this: is there a way to make scalable UIs in QML? Nov 15 15:59:19 Khertan: I.e. no absolute coordinates? Nov 15 15:59:28 ouch what ? Nov 15 15:59:31 anchors.* Nov 15 15:59:36 aha Nov 15 15:59:37 beurk Nov 15 15:59:46 So, there is a way? Nov 15 15:59:52 jucato: variable sizing ? Nov 15 16:00:14 anchor.fill: I think Nov 15 16:00:18 lol so it s even worse than html+css :) Nov 15 16:00:30 but yeah, it's all in the anchors I think (from the previous talk) Nov 15 16:00:38 lol why did I pause the video? >.< Nov 15 16:00:43 Khertan: You can always use web runtime instead =) Nov 15 16:00:55 it s funny to see the ide on a so small screen ... perfectly useless Nov 15 16:01:05 Khertan_: I can't believe anything can be worse than html+css :) Nov 15 16:01:05 speaking of the devil... Nov 15 16:01:08 wazd moo Nov 15 16:01:20 RST38h: heya :) Nov 15 16:01:31 Internet is up here :) Nov 15 16:01:49 I even was able to call via skype Nov 15 16:01:50 Jucato: me too ... but now there is qml+c ... the worst of html+css with the need to manage memory Nov 15 16:01:52 RST38h: you can bind all the sizes, positions to the size of other objects so would work as a percentage of them Nov 15 16:02:14 and then... generate QML on the fly :) Nov 15 16:02:32 Khertan_: need to cater for all tastes Nov 15 16:02:37 fcrochik: thanks, that is what I wanted to know Nov 15 16:02:47 So, scalable stuff is possible in qml Nov 15 16:02:48 lardman: sorry you mean ? Nov 15 16:03:05 RST38h: I believe that was the reason it was created Nov 15 16:03:17 (started with the Declarative UI stuff from openbossa) Nov 15 16:03:31 Khertan_: it was tongue in cheek - need to provide lots of nasty combination that will suit all possible demands Nov 15 16:04:22 lardman: hum ... why not ... but providing Python and PySide as official binding in the SDK would be better than inventing a useless new way to made GUI Nov 15 16:04:43 I quite agree Nov 15 16:04:45 Jucato: yeah, my brain definitely turned off Nov 15 16:05:00 Khertan_: but then web developers wouldn't be pleased Nov 15 16:05:13 lardman: WRT is for them Nov 15 16:05:21 why inventing new things again Nov 15 16:05:25 isnt wrt gone? Nov 15 16:05:35 it shouldve been replaced with qtquick? Nov 15 16:05:46 Qt has always has Javascript scripting, so this is just an extension I guess Nov 15 16:05:47 and when i see the state of the web i prefer to not see how they will manage memory in C++ Nov 15 16:06:10 I've not been paying any attention to the current live stream though, so may have got the wrong idea Nov 15 16:06:45 web developers <<< real web developers use python and avoid JS ... Nov 15 16:06:49 when possible Nov 15 16:07:02 I still dont have a final opinion about qml but so far I found it a good replacement for ui files....of course that is not their goal Nov 15 16:07:02 nowhere ;) Nov 15 16:07:25 * RST38h does not even have python installed Nov 15 16:07:27 fcrochik: a good replacement for ui files is C(++) code Nov 15 16:07:45 RST38h: Python is nice Nov 15 16:07:52 RST38h: <<< shame on you ... this mean you didn't use the best Editor on your n900 nor the best Twitter Client !!! Nov 15 16:07:57 fcrochik: reading some nokia blogs, I can't help but doubt they know what their goal is yet Nov 15 16:08:06 ;) Nov 15 16:08:13 lardman: that two...but qml can help replacing both... for instance is a nice way of getting a very customized list Nov 15 16:08:28 fcrochik: So, probably makes sense to wait for 4-6 months until things clear up Nov 15 16:08:30 fcrochik: I'm sure it has its place Nov 15 16:08:34 fcrochik: lol are you sure ... you will got slow customized list Nov 15 16:08:53 RST38h: you mean until things die :) Nov 15 16:08:58 RST38h: I don't disagree by any means Nov 15 16:08:59 RST38h: nice, yet another sample of sivang's "wait and see" developer mode Nov 15 16:09:14 Khertan: Too much momentum, won't die so fast :) Nov 15 16:09:31 arg ... too bad ... Nov 15 16:09:35 javispedro: it is a reasonable approach Nov 15 16:09:54 symbolizes a problem with the platform Nov 15 16:10:07 javispedro: not really, why? Nov 15 16:10:20 Khertan_: I worry about that two but so far my implementation does not have any lags and it would be preety painfull to create in c++ Nov 15 16:10:30 its just funny I heard it mentioned moments ago :) Nov 15 16:10:34 javispedro: once there is a device and a usable implementation of the platform running on it, things will finally freeze in place Nov 15 16:10:35 javispedro: that symbolize ONE, an other is the communication : there is nothing to see yet Nov 15 16:10:52 RST38h: hopefully. Nov 15 16:10:54 Will the battery management for Nokia be open? Nov 15 16:10:55 fcrochik: oh... any screenshots ? Nov 15 16:11:04 "No plans! There are no plans!" Nov 15 16:11:23 fcrochik: creating custom Qlistview was easy in python once concepts is understand Nov 15 16:11:27 GAN900: you know that's the case, but will we get a binary blob? Nov 15 16:11:32 javispedro: Here is a good example why it makes sense to wait: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/11/14/how-to-make-modern-mobile-applications-with-qt-quick-components Nov 15 16:11:56 GAN900: this is better than : "They rebelled, and they have a plan" ... Nov 15 16:12:00 Khertan_ I have it running on my phone (and some screenshots on myt tshirt).. I can post some later Nov 15 16:12:16 rst: agreed Nov 15 16:12:20 RST38h: was looking at that yesterday, but I can't get the tools Nov 15 16:12:20 fcrochik: sorry i m not a the meegoconf so cannot see tshirt :) Nov 15 16:12:28 btw Nov 15 16:13:07 Oh well, time to go home Nov 15 16:13:08 well, nothing. Nov 15 16:13:15 argh, back to the elevator Nov 15 16:13:49 fcrochik: http://khertan.net/_detail/khweeteur_landscape.png?id=khweeteur <<< this for example is made in python ; Nov 15 16:13:50 :) Nov 15 16:13:59 Khertan_ I didn't think so but would have been nice to meet you Nov 15 16:14:43 khertan_ I have never tried python.... I keep adding it to my list but always something else pop up Nov 15 16:14:57 fcrochik: :) Nov 15 16:15:29 fcrochik: just be carreful i try python when i got my first nit (n800) ... now i'm addicted :) Nov 15 16:16:36 Khertan_: next talk is about Python you'll be glad to hear Nov 15 16:16:41 hum ... time for an interesting live session now :) Nov 15 16:16:43 Khertan_ just to make some more noise: I would love to see a native compiler for qml and then we probably good the best of both worlds Nov 15 16:16:52 lardman: this is what i was waiting Nov 15 16:17:03 this mean that binding is now available in repository ! Nov 15 16:17:12 fcrochik: :) Nov 15 16:17:17 Khertan_ maybe I will join and see what happens Nov 15 16:17:46 too bad the compliance talk is not live Nov 15 16:18:03 anyway someone have a meego running on n900 ? Nov 15 16:18:14 does pyside or pyqt binding is available ? Nov 15 16:23:27 Khertan_: yes it is. Nov 15 16:23:42 Might have to install it from the repositories with zypper though. Nov 15 16:25:17 alterego: YOUHOU ! Nov 15 16:25:29 Khertan_: wha? :P Nov 15 16:26:06 once i got enought time i ll try to made khteditor and khweeteur working on it Nov 15 16:26:21 Cool, they're all pyside/pyqt? Nov 15 16:27:13 Khertan_: apparently with PR1.3 things should just move across Nov 15 16:27:29 though I guess the Python version change may cause some minor issues? Nov 15 16:28:15 Possibly, though a bit unlikely, more likely issues will stem from maemo specifics being used, life files & resources. Nov 15 16:28:40 I hope the camera guys are ready to film the screen during next session if they show examples of the meego UXs Nov 15 16:29:20 what is b.o.f in ' BoF - MeeGo Infrastructure' or 'Bof Meego Arm' Nov 15 16:29:46 lardman: the main problem is to adapt some things ... as i use some class that are available only on Maemo (QtMaemo5.QValueButton) Nov 15 16:29:58 niala: birds of feather Nov 15 16:30:09 alterego: pyqt ... but pyside ready Nov 15 16:30:10 sure Nov 15 16:30:17 niala: discussion in a group Nov 15 16:30:19 Nice, Nov 15 16:30:41 ty Nov 15 16:30:41 Khertan_: you should port to Qml, then you wont have to worry about widgets not being there. Nov 15 16:30:52 I like the ValueButton widget .. Nov 15 16:31:05 alterego: hum ... and so i ll worry about sizing widget Nov 15 16:31:07 mouarf Nov 15 16:31:18 qml ... probably the worst qt idea Nov 15 16:31:19 :)à Nov 15 16:31:47 pfft Nov 15 16:31:56 Compile QtMaemo5 for MeeGo then :D Nov 15 16:31:57 Khertan_: I don't think anyone is forced to use it against their will Nov 15 16:32:07 Myrtti: exactly :) Nov 15 16:32:15 It's such a nice widget, the ValueButton. Nov 15 16:32:17 Khertan_: so why complain? Nov 15 16:32:21 alterego: there is no need :) Nov 15 16:32:43 Myrtti: because i explain my point of view when someone suggest me to use it :) Nov 15 16:32:51 Eesh, just realised it's gotten really dark and I'm actually working in almost complete darkness ^.^ Nov 15 16:32:59 * alterego turns on the light. Nov 15 16:33:12 alterego: yeah ... thx ... same problem here Nov 15 16:33:28 * Khertan_ turn the light on Nov 15 16:34:25 Thinking of making my accuraccy graph finger scrollable. Nov 15 16:34:31 * alterego adds it to his enhancement ideas. Nov 15 16:34:49 Gestures in Qt session about to start Nov 15 16:36:11 I haven't see a lot of meego tshirt wearing Nov 15 16:37:30 probably wear mine tomorrow Nov 15 16:37:41 i arrived with a shirt today for some reason Nov 15 16:38:07 video feed suggests its chilly over there Nov 15 16:38:07 slaine: hello, you are at Dublin Nov 15 16:38:19 berndhs: sure is Nov 15 16:38:22 niala: yes Nov 15 16:38:40 cool Nov 15 16:38:47 i recommended to have the conference someplace warm, but nooo... Nov 15 16:38:48 no. cold :) Nov 15 16:39:00 lol Nov 15 16:39:09 I don't think "warm" and "geeks" mix that well though Nov 15 16:39:13 I'm from dublin, so suits me Nov 15 16:39:16 :-D Nov 15 16:39:32 or maybe its warm for Finns Nov 15 16:39:50 :) Nov 15 16:39:52 they're all in t-shirts, so probably Nov 15 16:44:17 hmm Nov 15 16:44:24 or people can't be bothered to push them there Nov 15 16:46:06 can we turn to face the screen please? Nov 15 16:46:28 something missing in the live streaming is the slide Nov 15 16:47:40 lol, productive hating Nov 15 16:47:47 meego poster behind him would be nice in a child room Nov 15 16:49:11 ps : pyqt mobility location is working very well on maemo :) Nov 15 16:49:26 oups wrong window Nov 15 16:49:36 teeheehee Nov 15 16:49:43 khertan_: can you do audio capture with pyqt ? Nov 15 16:50:12 berndhs: you should be able the widget recorder made in python record the incoming call or the mic Nov 15 16:50:20 berndhs, maybe next November. . . . Nov 15 16:50:44 call me strange, but i want to record audio on phones Nov 15 16:51:04 You're strange, but probably not for wanting to do that specifically ;) Nov 15 16:51:07 GAN900: you make over ? Nov 15 16:51:26 you want to record auid on phones ... you mean recording the phone call ? Nov 15 16:51:33 slaine, in the Compliance talk right now. Nov 15 16:51:37 it s already exist :) Nov 15 16:51:41 no recording voice or ambient sounds Nov 15 16:51:49 cool, in the Qt Gestures talk atm Nov 15 16:52:03 might see you at the reception Nov 15 16:52:08 Using the Qt multimedia API you can do that very easily. Nov 15 16:52:11 berndhs: in fact you can do both :) Nov 15 16:52:18 I'm pretty sure that's in Py-Qt/Side Nov 15 16:52:18 please cameraman the slide :) Nov 15 16:52:25 the Qt multimedia isn't on meego 1.1 Nov 15 16:52:35 gonna sleep the netbook for now so I've battery for the next session Nov 15 16:52:37 laters Nov 15 16:52:57 laters slaine Nov 15 16:52:58 hum does there is another streaming for the slide ? Nov 15 16:53:04 slide Nov 15 16:53:12 Khertan_, no Nov 15 16:53:15 Stupidly Nov 15 16:53:17 :( Nov 15 16:53:46 we might be missing a good fight in teh Compliance session :) Nov 15 16:53:57 or not Nov 15 16:54:24 Khertan_: no slides, just have to hope the camera man pans over Nov 15 16:54:31 otherwise it's quite boring Nov 15 16:54:31 berndhs, Q&A hasn't started yet. Nov 15 16:54:58 maybe Marcelo forgot his slides Nov 15 16:55:04 sure and slide help non english people Nov 15 16:56:33 another ubuntu laptop Nov 15 16:57:11 if stickers is right Nov 15 16:57:40 niala, I've got a MeeGo sticker on my Mini 9. Guess what it runs? *g* Nov 15 16:58:08 Windows 7? Nov 15 16:58:12 lol Nov 15 16:58:15 XP ? Nov 15 16:58:23 Mac OS X? Nov 15 16:58:27 OS X ;) Nov 15 16:58:31 Mini 9 is nice, got one of those. Nov 15 16:58:35 Hahah Nov 15 16:58:37 Not bad Nov 15 16:58:41 I need a bigger SSD Nov 15 16:58:44 My gf has stolen it though. Nov 15 16:58:55 Yeah, she uses an ext USB stick for all her music/media/etc Nov 15 16:59:25 Anyhow, bbl Nov 15 16:59:30 oof, batteries going low. Nov 15 16:59:37 niala: exactly :) Nov 15 17:05:44 would be nice to have some example code of the small layer :) Nov 15 17:06:27 what was that question? Nov 15 17:06:47 python + ovi Nov 15 17:06:52 ok Nov 15 17:07:44 and the answer ? wait and see Nov 15 17:11:55 hey Nov 15 17:12:03 I see you Nov 15 17:12:06 hahaha Nov 15 17:13:37 hmm, Open Architecture Process in MeeGo Nov 15 17:14:12 sounds like an interesting topic Nov 15 17:14:39 stream down ? Nov 15 17:14:48 yep Nov 15 17:14:50 its stopped here Nov 15 17:15:03 Just when it gets interesting ;-} Nov 15 17:15:19 the fight from compliance spilled over ? Nov 15 17:15:21 well it was the end of the talk Nov 15 17:16:38 we're back Nov 15 17:17:17 huhu Nov 15 17:17:45 is fun being had? Nov 15 17:18:17 ooh an apple for the slide Nov 15 17:19:15 woohooo nokia english \o/ ;) Nov 15 17:19:33 not a single Meego at conf :) Nov 15 17:19:51 slides would be a novel, nay revolutionary contribution Nov 15 17:19:56 hey CosmoHill Nov 15 17:25:32 bleh Nov 15 17:25:48 CosmoHill: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming Nov 15 17:26:00 later Nov 15 17:26:19 I just want to chill out atm Nov 15 17:30:14 wo-ou, live conference streaming Nov 15 17:30:30 cool Nov 15 17:32:37 apple more visible than meego lol Nov 15 17:33:02 not on my twitter stream Nov 15 17:33:18 and that represents objective reality if there ever was one ;) Nov 15 17:33:23 I use apple please invest in meego :) Nov 15 17:34:01 ah but he runs MeeGo on his apple :) Nov 15 17:36:20 most of the intel developers use apples Nov 15 17:36:46 15" and 17" macbook pros have Intel HD and Nvidia graphics Nov 15 17:36:58 hehe Nov 15 17:37:08 CosmoHill: true? i know apple use intel but which Os use them ? Nov 15 17:37:21 having a good time javispedro ? Nov 15 17:37:25 what OS do apple use or intel guys? Nov 15 17:37:28 bbiam Nov 15 17:37:34 pupnik: yep :) Nov 15 17:37:58 hm, i have an unused atom based mini pc sitting on my desk. should put meego on it Nov 15 17:37:59 glad to hear it. discover anything worth googling/sharing today? Nov 15 17:38:26 alsihad: you could try the live image from a memory stick Nov 15 17:38:37 I m the only guy on meego? lol I feel stupid Nov 15 17:38:46 CosmoHill: good idea. i'll download it right away :) Nov 15 17:38:53 niala: hehe, I'm not even on x86 :p Nov 15 17:39:01 who gives a crap on what operating system the development is done on? as long as the end product is good, to each of their own Nov 15 17:39:37 it's a shame the only meego compatable mac is £1500+ Nov 15 17:40:56 make more youtubes ppl :) Nov 15 17:42:31 Myrtti: they don't use/trust their own product? Nov 15 17:42:53 niala: they make meego on build servers Nov 15 17:42:55 more dogfood! omnomnomnom Nov 15 17:43:03 I think they actually do run MeeGo Nov 15 17:43:03 niala: I wouldn't use any netbook UI for development Nov 15 17:43:22 Myrtti: apparantly meego can have xfce too Nov 15 17:43:24 all this talk about dogfood makes me hungry Nov 15 17:43:51 CosmoHill: most of the Intel developers (engineers, not designers) I know in London use Linux (Fedora, Debian etc.) on Intel hardware Nov 15 17:44:00 looks like qt-quick is the real big news here isn't it Nov 15 17:44:06 I didn't meantion what OS they use Nov 15 17:44:16 just said that macbook pros have intel HD graphics :) Nov 15 17:45:37 CosmoHill: I thought you asked "what OS do apple use or intel guys?" Nov 15 17:45:49 that was niala Nov 15 17:45:55 oh wait Nov 15 17:46:00 I was asking niala that Nov 15 17:46:26 I imagine an apple presentation with windows os Nov 15 17:46:52 CosmoHill: I thought you might be interested :) Nov 15 17:47:01 it\s good to know Nov 15 17:47:12 townxelliot: ty interresting Nov 15 17:47:13 I like the idea of them getting new macs and just replacing the OS Nov 15 17:47:22 but I know most of them do use mac os x Nov 15 17:47:46 CosmoHill: most of who? Nov 15 17:47:54 the intel people in here Nov 15 17:48:01 CosmoHill: ah Nov 15 17:48:12 last time i tried, linux didn't work that well on my mbp Nov 15 17:48:21 My proposal was to use SyncEvolution inside Buteo. Nov 15 17:48:29 alsihad: that was last century Nov 15 17:48:45 To bad I'm not at the conference. Nov 15 17:48:45 (macbook pros came out in 2006" Nov 15 17:48:47 ) Nov 15 17:48:58 niala: i'm pretty sure it was kubuntu 10.04 Nov 15 18:52:06 NickServ IDENTIFY pvijayan priya123 Nov 15 18:52:21 wrong message Nov 15 18:52:42 Now you go and chane your password? Nov 15 18:52:49 :) Nov 15 18:54:12 sasl ♥ Nov 15 18:55:10 Hello any one can give me the meego liveconference link Nov 15 18:56:38 srikanth_rst: the stream? Nov 15 18:56:56 srikanth_rst: I don't think they're streaming anything right now, the sessions are over for today Nov 15 18:56:59 Myrtti:yes please Nov 15 18:57:05 http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming Nov 15 18:57:25 thanks stephg Nov 15 18:57:25 but as Myrtti says, nothing right now; they won't start again till the morning Nov 15 18:58:01 (then again the same page has the schedule for the stream, so I guess it is marginally useful as is too) Nov 15 18:58:24 thanks Nov 15 18:58:40 Myrtti: I was out most of the afternoon; do we know if any of the streams will be available online? Nov 15 18:58:48 I missed earlier this morning :/ Nov 15 18:58:55 stephg: supposedly at some point Nov 15 18:59:20 at lest 3 hours back i was streaming in office Nov 15 18:59:33 srikanth_rst: that was three hours ago Nov 15 18:59:46 heh Nov 15 19:00:01 :) Nov 15 19:01:24 i think tomorrow most of the Hand set topics will be covered Nov 15 19:05:11 I have to work tomorrow :( Nov 15 19:16:51 hello Nov 15 19:17:50 is it possible to build and put together the various components that make a MeeGo image without using the image creator? Nov 15 19:18:54 probably Nov 15 19:19:18 wmarone: I would guess so too, but I have a hard time finding information on this Nov 15 19:19:38 which I think bogs down to "finding what the image creator actually does, and it what order" Nov 15 19:20:13 basically. They wrote MIC2 to do that job Nov 15 19:20:20 though you can get a rough idea from the kickstart files themselves Nov 15 19:21:17 i'm not sure I understand where OBS stands into this picture Nov 15 19:22:26 obs is one step before that Nov 15 19:22:38 obs creates the packages that then can be installed Nov 15 19:23:39 dm8tbr: it creates RPM packages, or something different? Nov 15 19:24:14 yes, in case of MeeGo it's RPMs Nov 15 19:24:31 ok Nov 15 19:24:55 is there a URL for today's recorded sessions? (PST timezone, was asleep and/or eating breakfast/etc) Nov 15 19:26:02 npm: AFAIK there isn't one yet Nov 15 19:28:10 i guess this'll be like "tivo"ing a popular TV show. Nov 15 20:58:50 #meego is very quiet this evening Nov 15 20:59:34 * CosmoHill clears his throat Nov 15 20:59:38 boobies Nov 15 21:00:32 boobies ? Nov 15 21:00:47 yes Nov 15 21:01:06 (breasts) Nov 15 21:01:58 ahh not policeman Nov 15 21:02:32 that's "bobbies" Nov 15 21:03:29 oh what a great conversation to walk in to :) Nov 15 21:03:36 ahhhh Nov 15 21:04:00 not to be confused with bobby who is an awesome dog that I miss :( Nov 15 21:05:37 what kind of dog ? Nov 15 21:05:45 Lancaster Heeler Nov 15 21:06:00 like Burt lancaster Nov 15 21:06:56 is that a hot dog ? Nov 15 21:09:10 burt? no idea Nov 15 21:10:02 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Lancaster not a good joke sorry Nov 15 21:16:34 here: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby2.jpg Nov 15 21:24:06 have people enjoyed the first day of the conference? Nov 15 21:28:18 what is the most common way to install meego on N900 which contains now a Maemo5 ? Nov 15 21:28:39 CosmoHill: it reminds me gremlins :) Nov 15 21:29:03 with a computer, usb cable and a microSD card (2GB+) Nov 15 21:30:15 mmh, I do not have microSD card here. Nov 15 21:30:50 I got some cheap ones from ireland Nov 15 21:31:02 djszapi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQDZypO-5Y&feature=player_embedded Nov 15 21:31:06 oh wait they were regular SD Nov 15 21:32:56 CosmoHill: I mean cute like a gremlins your boobies Nov 15 21:33:17 * CosmoHill blinks Nov 15 21:34:19 gremlin boobies? rule 34? Nov 15 21:34:52 ahhh I got a 8gb sd card with the phone. Nov 15 21:35:42 bobby sorry confused :) Nov 15 21:36:46 I was gonna say, I'm a dude Nov 15 21:36:50 alsihad: what is rule 34 ? Nov 15 21:36:52 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot -> this one then ? :P Nov 15 21:37:09 djszapi: you will lose all the data on the card by putting meego on it Nov 15 21:38:40 niala: Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions Nov 15 21:39:16 CosmoHill: that is not a problem Nov 15 21:39:22 but thank you for your warning Nov 15 21:55:31 http://pastebin.com/ -> What do I do wrong, I would like to enable the R&D mode. Nov 15 21:57:53 djszapi: there is nothing in your pastebin Nov 15 21:58:53 http://pastie.org/1300856 Nov 15 22:01:11 sorry i haven't any arm maybe #meego-arm can help you? Nov 15 22:01:53 it's 10pm on the first day of the conferance, maybe people are tired Nov 15 22:03:08 do not think so, they have just gone to a party ;) Nov 15 22:03:29 I think so Nov 15 22:07:06 * CosmoHill wants one of his regulars blow off steam Nov 15 22:09:19 it worked on maemo earlir (other device than N900): ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up and then ssh root@192.168.2.14, why does it not work now from the host ? Nov 15 22:09:38 ssh root@192.168.2.15, sorry Nov 15 22:09:49 * CosmoHill puts on his "got root" hat Nov 15 22:09:52 ssh root@192.168.2.15 Nov 15 22:09:54 ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: No route to host Nov 15 22:16:03 ssh serveris not installed on default into maemo Nov 15 22:17:22 bad joke ? Nov 15 22:18:27 services* Nov 15 22:21:29 anyone know the "official" name for intel n10/ich7 chipset and stuff? Nov 15 22:21:38 how are those called on intels driver download page? Nov 15 22:33:51 evening Nov 15 22:34:19 hola Nov 15 22:34:58 hello Stskeeps Nov 15 22:40:41 Stskeeps: do you have any idea what do I do wrong ? http://pastie.org/1300856 Nov 15 22:48:28 holy crap AMD joined MeeGo Nov 15 22:48:30 good guess would be to actually shut down the device and take out usb, start flasher, plug in Nov 15 22:48:56 CosmoHill: amd joined meego ? Nov 15 22:49:03 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODc4Ng Nov 15 22:50:06 cosmohill: does AMD know about this? Nov 15 22:50:13 yes Nov 15 22:50:16 I'd hope so, they annoced it Nov 15 22:50:35 well, you never know who is smoking what these days Nov 15 22:50:41 press release and all Nov 15 22:50:58 would be nice though, to have MeeGo on non SSSE machines Nov 15 22:52:45 somewhere it says AMD work on MeeGo Nov 15 22:52:53 I can't find it on the AMD or MeeGo website Nov 15 22:52:59 and non-intel graphic, ATI, at least ;) Nov 15 22:53:49 http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/15/amd-will-contribute-engineering-expertise-to-meego-development/ Nov 15 22:55:41 Stskeep: that did not help, same msg. Nov 15 22:55:55 it is somehow a shame ssh server is not shipped by default. Nov 15 22:56:29 most people won't need it Nov 15 22:57:00 how can they test their application, like QML on the device then with no usb network ? Nov 15 22:58:11 I think I have never seen a person around me who did not require ssh server Nov 15 22:59:16 djszapi: for a mobile OS, do you really think it is necessary for every handset, tablet, and netbook to advertise remote logon services? Nov 15 23:00:25 for hackers ? for sure! Nov 15 23:00:36 inevitable. Nov 15 23:01:34 and also for non-hackers, if I would like to read a pdf as a simple user, I should upload it with scp over ssh protocol that I cannot do. Nov 15 23:02:03 and plenty of other data communication between the host and the device. I think this is a bare minimum, if I buy an expensive device. Nov 15 23:02:15 djszapi: neither of those require ssh. if you have the authority over the device you can install it yourself Nov 15 23:02:29 with no internet connection ? Nov 15 23:02:34 how ? Nov 15 23:03:20 * wmarone wonders why people buy deviecs intended for internet connectivity and suddenly have none Nov 15 23:04:21 N900 != internet tablet... Nov 15 23:04:41 but I would wonder if I said news for you... Nov 15 23:05:02 no, but it has wifi and 3G data support and was designed around having it Nov 15 23:05:18 no, not really. Nov 15 23:06:05 that you've found yourself in a position where you suddenly need to ssh into a device that has been freshly reset but have no internet connection (and didn't bring along the .debs you might need for anything) is outside the scope of, well, mos tthings Nov 15 23:06:11 but if it is the fact, it is pretty silly design. There are a couple of people with wired internet connection for sure... Nov 15 23:06:44 silly to not include a possible attack vector that can be enabled by those that need it? Nov 15 23:06:48 no idea what you are talking about. Nov 15 23:07:28 possible attack vector ?:)))) made my day. Nov 15 23:07:44 are you saying that openssh hasn't had any flaws in it? Nov 15 23:07:46 you will experience new things about harmattan in the future I think so, when it will be released, I am pretty sure. Nov 15 23:08:10 what does this have to do with harmattan? Nov 15 23:08:28 I thought this was about MeeGo not including sshd by default Nov 15 23:08:45 you were obviously wrong Nov 15 23:09:04 I don't know, this is #meego after all Nov 15 23:09:12 it is about a platform usability, I do not have wireless internet connection, because the people from whom I rent the lodging decided so. Nov 15 23:09:33 morning Nov 15 23:09:33 and this very simple situation makes my _expensive_ phone useless. Nov 15 23:09:45 platform usability for corner cases is not reasonable to plan for Nov 15 23:09:57 :)))))))))))))))))0 Nov 15 23:09:58 however, you should have thought ahead and brought an SD card Nov 15 23:10:14 should have though ahead and installed sshd Nov 15 23:10:40 with no wireless internet connection ? again: how ? Nov 15 23:10:43 "hold on guys, our usability experts are wrong cause someone might want to do the unsupported thing and install sshd without any network access" Nov 15 23:11:00 I have got an SD card, but no idea how that helps for me now... Nov 15 23:11:27 djszapi: installed it before you were left without wireless access, or go download the .deb files with your wired connection and transfer them using the sd card Nov 15 23:11:44 you... did install the rootsh package, right? Nov 15 23:11:45 again: how ? Nov 15 23:12:46 'installed it before you were left without wireless access' - no idea what you are talking about, I have never had wireless access here, so there was nothing to leave. Nov 15 23:13:40 well I didn't know that Nov 15 23:13:45 'go download the .deb files with your wired connection and transfer them using the sd card' -> I do not understand this step because I have never used sd card earlier that way, so any hint is welcome. Nov 15 23:14:04 djszapi, if you're trying to still use flasher and still getting the message you were getting - completely shut it down, remove the back cover and battery, wait 10 seconds, put the battery back in, cover back on and try flashing (I assume you know the PROPER flashing procedure?) Nov 15 23:14:06 you just should have said that then, if you do not know something. Nov 15 23:14:27 djszapi: I was under the impression that at some point you -had- wireless connectivity Nov 15 23:14:28 Termana: happened, did not help Nov 15 23:14:29 anyway Nov 15 23:14:36 Termana: sure I can follow a 'tutorial'. Nov 15 23:14:42 copy paste works here. Nov 15 23:14:52 lcuk, ping Nov 15 23:15:52 to be honest, I would like to try my QML application out on this new device, but it seems it is a hard task, dunno why... Nov 15 23:16:05 djszapi, I was asking if you knew. All you need to do is have it off, hold U and then plug the USB cord in (making sure you've run flasher command beforehand) Nov 15 23:16:26 01:07 < djszapi> Termana: happened, did not help Nov 15 23:18:27 djszapi: see if you can get started here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_applications#.debs Nov 15 23:19:04 djszapi, do it like this then - take out the battery, plug USB in, start flasher, hold U and put battery in (while still holding U and still having the cord in already) Nov 15 23:19:28 Termana: really does not work Nov 15 23:20:08 djszapi, have you tried doing it as I just described rather than the normal procedure? Nov 15 23:20:20 y Nov 15 23:21:21 Wtf - what do you mean why? I don't know - maybe because you want to use flasher and you're having trouble doing it the normal way? Nov 15 23:21:22 * Stskeeps curses hotel wifi Nov 15 23:21:36 y = yes Nov 15 23:21:42 Oh. right Nov 15 23:21:44 ( like in command line ) Nov 15 23:21:55 And it still gives you that message? Nov 15 23:22:01 y Nov 15 23:22:26 Strange. The message is suppose to only come on when the device is already on and in PC Suite Mode Nov 15 23:22:46 I always said it is strange... Nov 15 23:26:27 okay, something happened, it does not boot any longer... Nov 15 23:27:09 so why does not it boot after your recommendation ? :) Nov 15 23:38:23 ifconfig n900 Nov 15 23:38:24 n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found Nov 15 23:55:29 any idea ? Nov 16 00:56:16 i installed the sshd package and this additional thingie from the control panel that turns it on/off on my n900 -- go to the application installer Nov 16 00:56:57 but i'm still awaiting my microsdhc card so's i can dual boot Nov 16 00:58:14 of course, i'd prefer a wired ethernet connection myself, but given the size and space available for extra ports... i guess it's an understandable tradeoff ... Nov 16 00:58:58 ^^^ djszapi Nov 16 01:03:11 will this help? http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking Nov 16 01:18:06 hello Nov 16 01:18:26 is there any meego handset dev here ? Nov 16 01:19:10 i'm trying to build my own connection UI for connman in plain Qt using the libconnman-qt found on MeeGo Handset UX Nov 16 01:19:51 i've dl it and compiled fine, but i don't know how to use its functions in my project since it's not yet document AFAIK Nov 16 01:20:58 i've tried to #include "networklistmodel.h" and then new NetworkListModel(this); and after that affect this model to a list view but it creates a segfault Nov 16 01:21:04 any idea here ? Nov 16 01:22:47 http://meego.com/community/bug-tracking just that Nov 16 01:23:12 pupnik: it's for me ? Nov 16 01:23:46 thebootroo: it's more a qt problem no? Nov 16 01:23:57 because its not a bug (at least i believe) Nov 16 01:24:15 maybe try #qt Nov 16 01:24:28 it's just i don't know how to use the function provided by the libconnman-qt, which is developped by MeeGo dev tem Nov 16 01:24:41 it's not a Qt problem Nov 16 01:24:52 i know Qt quite well Nov 16 01:25:32 it's just that as far i don't found any documentation for this newly written lib i can't use it so i'm lookin here to find the developpers of the lib Nov 16 01:27:13 thebootroo: ok sorry misunderstand Nov 16 01:27:24 no pb Nov 16 01:29:57 ohwait Nov 16 01:30:14 wut ? Nov 16 01:30:16 thebootroo: wuz yer connman-qt problem? Nov 16 01:31:50 * mikeleib reads backlog Nov 16 01:32:36 thebootroo: libconnman-qt isn't documented, true Nov 16 01:32:44 the problem is that i'm trying to build my own UI for connecting internet trought ConnMan, in plain Qt, and i don't know how to use the DBus proxy (libconnman-qt is rougly a QDbusProxy) wirtten by the Intel guys Nov 16 01:32:59 I wrote libconnman-qt Nov 16 01:33:38 it's 1:30am where I am and I need to get some sleep. Nov 16 01:33:46 wut ? Nov 16 01:33:53 YOU are the guy ? Nov 16 01:33:54 but, you should have a good example in meegotouchcp-connman Nov 16 01:34:00 yes Nov 16 01:34:07 yes i've already looked at it Nov 16 01:34:10 but Nov 16 01:35:02 it's in MTF not plain Qt so i can't really discern if the weird function that i see is here because of normal libconnman behavior or just because of meego touch framework Nov 16 01:35:33 there's a version that's being de-MTFed Nov 16 01:35:42 where ? Nov 16 01:35:49 and I'm not doing that part. hold on.. Nov 16 01:36:30 you mean the lib or the UX ? Nov 16 01:36:37 the lib Nov 16 01:36:43 cause the lib i try to use is already the splitted one Nov 16 01:36:49 there's another UX for another MeeGo vertical in development Nov 16 01:36:59 aha.. I think the new maintainer must have borked it Nov 16 01:37:14 and i'm trying to build another ux for it Nov 16 01:37:39 and i'm using the de-MTFed lib of course cause all my projects are only pure plain qt Nov 16 01:37:41 the idea of NetworkListModel is to sort of make it easy to make lists out of it Nov 16 01:38:08 so, It should be easy to hook up a listview to it. MTF uses a strict MVC, but using delegates, it should be possible Nov 16 01:38:19 however, segfaulting is not desireable. That's bad Nov 16 01:39:05 I think the guy who's doing the rework has gone home. Nov 16 01:39:20 so from you why can't i just declarate and instance my model and affect it to my QListVIew ? Nov 16 01:40:10 well, you should be able to. I've never tried usign it with QWidgets before. The old lib was too tightly associated with MTF Nov 16 01:40:25 and for exmaple if i don't affect it to the listview and i just try to call 'availableTechnologies' it returns nothing but it prints a lot of lines of debug, just lik if it was initializing just now Nov 16 01:40:27 the splitted one should make it easy and possible. Nov 16 01:40:35 mikeleib: you are in dublin ? Nov 16 01:40:39 yes Nov 16 01:40:41 and tired Nov 16 01:40:42 oh Nov 16 01:40:47 lucky one Nov 16 01:41:00 i would really have luved to be there Nov 16 01:41:10 perhaps next tiem? Nov 16 01:41:19 as a N900 owner, and MeeGo follower and Qt developper Nov 16 01:41:24 yes i hope Nov 16 01:41:33 SAn Fransisco Nov 16 01:41:42 :) how was the beer ? Nov 16 01:41:46 thebootroo: the debug output is also likely my fault. I had to use a ton of tracing and debuging b/c of the way duicontrolpanel hosted the plugins Nov 16 01:41:56 good Nov 16 01:41:58 yes i do that too in my projects Nov 16 01:42:10 but Nov 16 01:42:39 thebootroo, ping Nov 16 01:42:41 tag! you're it tripzero Nov 16 01:42:49 tripzero: is the maintainer of the split lib Nov 16 01:42:54 ok Nov 16 01:42:58 coool Nov 16 01:43:02 if you see borkage file it and assign to him ;) Nov 16 01:43:03 people here are really active Nov 16 01:43:21 tripzero: pong ! Nov 16 01:43:33 tripzero: keep me in the loop. I can possibly fix something borked from here if I get moments Nov 16 01:43:39 * mikeleib goes tosleeps for reals Nov 16 01:43:47 so good night mike Nov 16 01:43:50 gnight mikeleib Nov 16 01:44:05 tripzero: i'm trying to use your lib in a plain qt project Nov 16 01:44:18 oh, cool Nov 16 01:44:25 libconnman-qt, forked version from the gitorious Nov 16 01:44:32 but i can't Nov 16 01:44:41 and that is less cool Nov 16 01:44:50 can't? use it/ Nov 16 01:44:51 ? Nov 16 01:44:59 i don't have any doc Nov 16 01:45:10 and my trials are failing Nov 16 01:45:17 for example, Nov 16 01:46:20 as i saw the networklistmodel is a child of QAbstractListmodel, i put a QListView in a qt window and tried to create a new networklistmodel and myListView->setModel(thenetmodel) and there -----> SEGFAULT Nov 16 01:46:51 hmm Nov 16 01:47:00 i've never tried it in a plain qt applicatino Nov 16 01:47:10 and if i don't setmodel and just try to call some getters like 'defaultTechnology' or 'connectedTehcnologies' it return nohting but a few qdebug lines Nov 16 01:48:23 if you want since i am a qt dev and i really really really need this lib workin, i can help you in testing and fixing Nov 16 01:48:34 but only on the plainQt side Nov 16 01:48:45 okay Nov 16 01:49:31 can you post your code somewhere? Nov 16 01:49:46 i will give it a try and see if I can make it work with plain-qt Nov 16 01:49:50 it know it works with qml Nov 16 01:50:14 so first, i had an error for moc in the sources, with an undefined reference to stateToString(), so i had to write it before i could acheive the compilation Nov 16 01:50:16 however, right now I've got to run. Nov 16 01:50:33 ahh, that's not good Nov 16 01:50:46 yes Nov 16 01:51:00 so i wrote a basical switch/return method Nov 16 01:51:03 QString NetworkItemModel::stateTypeToString() Nov 16 01:51:05 { Nov 16 01:51:07 switch (m_state) Nov 16 01:51:09 { Nov 16 01:51:11 case STATE_NONE: Nov 16 01:51:13 return tr("None"); Nov 16 01:51:15 break; Nov 16 01:51:17 case STATE_IDLE: Nov 16 01:51:19 return tr("Idle"); Nov 16 01:51:21 break; Nov 16 01:51:23 case STATE_FAILURE: Nov 16 01:51:25 return tr("Failure"); Nov 16 01:51:27 break; Nov 16 01:51:29 case STATE_ASSOCIATION: Nov 16 01:51:31 return tr("Associating"); Nov 16 01:51:33 break; Nov 16 01:51:35 case STATE_CONFIGURATION: Nov 16 01:51:37 return tr("Configuration"); Nov 16 01:51:39 break; Nov 16 01:51:41 case STATE_READY: Nov 16 01:51:43 return tr("Ready"); Nov 16 01:51:45 break; Nov 16 01:51:47 case STATE_LOGIN: Nov 16 01:51:49 return tr("Login"); Nov 16 01:51:51 break; Nov 16 01:51:53 thebootroo: http://pastebin.com/ Nov 16 01:51:53 case STATE_ONLINE: Nov 16 01:51:53 actually, i don't think I'm even using stateToString()... Nov 16 01:51:55 return tr("Online"); Nov 16 01:51:57 break; Nov 16 01:51:59 case STATE_DISCONNECT: Nov 16 01:52:01 return tr("Disconnect"); Nov 16 01:52:03 wonder how it even compiles at all Nov 16 01:52:03 break; Nov 16 01:52:05 case STATE_LAST: Nov 16 01:52:07 return tr("Last"); Nov 16 01:52:09 break; Nov 16 01:52:11 } Nov 16 01:52:13 } Nov 16 01:52:15 and then it compiled fine Nov 16 01:52:20 after that when i tried to use the lib, it doesnt worked but i saw a few debug lines from the lib and in these line i saw my wifi, my ip, my router so i think the lib is working Nov 16 01:52:45 just doesn't work with a ListView Nov 16 01:52:47 right Nov 16 01:52:48 ? Nov 16 01:52:52 the method is declared in header but not implemented in .cpp Nov 16 01:52:57 yes Nov 16 01:53:14 okay, will you be around tomorrow? Nov 16 01:53:14 #include "networklistmodel.h" Nov 16 01:53:20 maybe Nov 16 01:53:23 yes Nov 16 01:53:28 i'm in france Nov 16 01:53:33 ahk Nov 16 01:53:56 so at 10:00 AM GMT+2 i would be here Nov 16 01:54:04 maybe before Nov 16 01:54:11 but quite sure at 10 Nov 16 01:54:21 i've got to go now, but I'll be back tomorrow. if you find any other issues in the meantime, shoot me a message here and i'll pick it up tomorrow morning Nov 16 01:54:32 ok Nov 16 01:54:36 no problem Nov 16 01:54:42 cheers Nov 16 01:54:45 an thank a lot for your interest Nov 16 01:54:50 good night Nov 16 01:54:55 good night Nov 16 01:55:10 good night Nov 16 01:55:44 thebootroo: t'es français alors? Nov 16 01:55:52 ben si je suis francais Nov 16 01:55:57 toi aussi lol Nov 16 01:56:00 ? Nov 16 01:56:09 pareil Nov 16 01:56:19 and it's late Nov 16 01:56:27 mais normalement ca se voit pas car je speak pas trop mal english Nov 16 01:56:33 not for me Nov 16 01:56:42 my real workin day is the NIGHT Nov 16 01:56:56 well i note if i need a translator Nov 16 01:57:22 my greatest creations went during other people are quietly sleepin' Nov 16 01:57:54 lol and mine when I sleep :) Nov 16 01:58:08 do you know about my project http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/ ?? (the website is in your/our language ;-) ) Nov 16 01:59:51 my last program almost finished (at least barely usable) is a Text Processor (in Qt, what else huh ? :D) Nov 16 01:59:58 http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item?id=78 Nov 16 02:00:14 some cute screenies there around too :-) Nov 16 02:02:44 thebootroo: you reinvent the wheel Nov 16 02:03:28 no Nov 16 02:03:40 i'm trying to give it a different shape Nov 16 02:03:59 very very nice screenshot Nov 16 02:04:13 because i think the computing is taking dust and to make it better we have to make it different Nov 16 02:04:36 thanks Nov 16 02:05:06 i have a full desktop environment with a lot of apps working on the same concept Nov 16 02:05:26 the desktop itself : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item.php?id=77 Nov 16 02:05:32 all in Qt ? Nov 16 02:05:44 what else ? Nov 16 02:05:48 of course Nov 16 02:05:57 the music player : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item.php?id=76 Nov 16 02:06:42 tres bien Nov 16 02:06:53 and many of the most importants progs are not even posted on my website (mail agent, im client, rss reader, package manager, fileborwser ...) Nov 16 02:07:23 pupnik: je sais qu'on est tous francais ici mais faut parler anglais pour que les autres puissent comprendre si ils veulent Nov 16 02:07:27 ;-) Nov 16 02:07:34 meego should look at your work Nov 16 02:07:45 niala: why ? Nov 16 02:07:50 you know Nov 16 02:08:00 my work was there really BEFORE meego Nov 16 02:08:05 anglais est la lingua franca Nov 16 02:08:11 nice Nov 16 02:08:31 and meego is already taking a lot of my ideas (full stack and plugin based OS) Nov 16 02:08:38 and even the MTF Nov 16 02:09:14 an entire app in a GraphicsView ----> my Idea since a discovered the graphics view and its wonders in qt4 Nov 16 02:09:19 taskbar very similar and meego needs more qtapplication Nov 16 02:09:46 the 'taskbar' can look a little like meego netbook one, but in facts Nov 16 02:09:52 its quite different Nov 16 02:10:05 here apps are really merged in the desktop Nov 16 02:10:11 and there is no more desktop Nov 16 02:10:37 there is a menu app, a gadgets board app, a status panel app.... Nov 16 02:10:45 all the apps are in tabs Nov 16 02:11:01 no more windows, no more menus, no more combo box.... Nov 16 02:11:02 your dream n9-01 is quite ambitious :) Nov 16 02:11:16 oh you know it too Nov 16 02:11:27 yes i'm a dreamer 4ever Nov 16 02:11:41 but it would be possible Nov 16 02:11:41 no more windows? Nov 16 02:12:00 pupnik: yeah, with a 12" screen, or builtin magnifying glass :-) Nov 16 02:12:09 no Nov 16 02:12:13 no more windows Nov 16 02:12:16 just tabds Nov 16 02:12:21 tabs Nov 16 02:12:26 sigh Nov 16 02:12:40 isn't a tab just a window with less options? Nov 16 02:12:47 yeah DocScrutinizer Nov 16 02:12:49 rougly but not exactly Nov 16 02:13:22 if you want a live demo just go on skype and i can share my screen and do a private KeyNote like i already did for some membres of #qt-fr Nov 16 02:13:40 i'm too unimportant Nov 16 02:13:41 my skype ID is (i will not beleive it) TheBootroo Nov 16 02:13:41 sometimes it is convenient to have multiple windows on same screen. copy/paste read copy compare etc Nov 16 02:14:04 niala: not if the clipboard system is entierely rethinked Nov 16 02:15:02 the problem with most of 'inovative' project is that they keep a very big part of inheritance of the past which is blockin them to go forward and really really forward Nov 16 02:15:05 thebootroo: ok agree if that not add 2 clic Nov 16 02:15:56 i'm taking the opposite principle, i'm rethinking the whole system and coding it part by part and keeping in mine the future adds Nov 16 02:16:12 hum, just noticed i was not connected on skype Nov 16 02:16:15 wait Nov 16 02:16:28 fied Nov 16 02:16:32 *fixed Nov 16 02:16:34 meego have an applet copy/paste did you try this? Nov 16 02:16:54 arf no skype account Nov 16 02:17:18 you are a big community ? Nov 16 02:17:20 i didn't tried the meego netbook becasue i ahve a nvidia graphics, and nope the handset flavour cause my n900 is at nokia's repairing (usb port syndrome) Nov 16 02:17:39 no i'm barely the only developer Nov 16 02:18:00 !!! you never sleep ? Nov 16 02:18:12 thebootroo, "live demo sharing using skype" hmmm since you are using open source, where is the git repository with your open source? Nov 16 02:18:17 and i have about 20 regular folowers, and about 200 potential customers for the final product Nov 16 02:18:38 just google his nick Nov 16 02:18:48 lcuk: my sources are not exportable ATM cause of many personal info hardcoded in the sources Nov 16 02:18:50 no ta, slow vnc Nov 16 02:19:19 niala: i sleep 10x less than majority of people Nov 16 02:19:25 thebootroo, hmm i shall have to remember that excuse Nov 16 02:19:40 not an excuse, reality Nov 16 02:19:48 for exampe Nov 16 02:19:58 how can you expect collaboation and sharing and communal improvement if its hidden away Nov 16 02:20:21 theres no way (no matter how awesome you are) that you can create whole OS that suits everyone with it closed Nov 16 02:20:24 i want the whole system use an account manager, so since the manage is not yet created, i've my gmail authentications hardcoded in the mail client Nov 16 02:21:10 lcuk: the most i'm expect is not devlopping but mainly brainstorming and critisism Nov 16 02:21:19 lcuk: +1 Nov 16 02:21:20 sure Nov 16 02:21:22 i do the same Nov 16 02:21:31 github.com/lcuk for that tho :) Nov 16 02:21:58 because i've already a tons of idea not even wrote anywhere and a dont want the development going in a wrong way Nov 16 02:22:28 thebootroo, herding cats Nov 16 02:22:31 so since the rules would not have been grouped in a big docuement, not source availability Nov 16 02:22:39 they arent going the wrong way, just because it may not be the same as your way Nov 16 02:22:57 this project is not a trial for me Nov 16 02:23:27 thebootroo, if its open it does not mean you have to implmeent what they come up with Nov 16 02:23:31 * niala think he do with many difficulty a simple freebox tv command Nov 16 02:23:39 but it will allow you to see other ideas you wouldnt have imagined :) Nov 16 02:23:52 is the accomplishement of a long relfexion, an a dream too, so i have very precise ideas of how it MUST go so, i need time to have a strong base able to receive open contribtuions Nov 16 02:23:57 * lcuk had a long conversation tonight with the developer of penpen :) Nov 16 02:24:14 * lcuk enjoyed it muchly Nov 16 02:24:16 lcuk: the Brainstrom section of my website is for this aim Nov 16 02:24:27 it was great seeing the 2 alternatives for very similar packages Nov 16 02:25:03 i'm just doing like most open source project : a first private developpement period and then , a first code drop and community implication Nov 16 02:25:06 the hacking room here at the meego conf is amazingly productive :) Nov 16 02:25:16 i never doubt about that Nov 16 02:25:36 thebootroo, you went beyond that when you created a suite of applications ;) Nov 16 02:25:56 but for my project its a little early, but the first drop is approaching, (maybe beginnng of 2011) Nov 16 02:26:14 ooooh awesome Nov 16 02:26:17 yes i did but the code and specs are not ready to be shared Nov 16 02:26:23 * lcuk is on tenterhooks Nov 16 02:27:08 but i can already post screens and do live demos since we cant see the passwords and fullpaths stored in my Qt code (i know its ugly and BAAAAD) Nov 16 02:27:57 if you have a skype account you can benefit a first view of the system to understand better why its so inovative for me Nov 16 02:28:15 not relaly, i just mark you with /ignore soon since this is #meego and specifically a linux foundation OPEN project and the developers and guys here are working towards open innovation Nov 16 02:28:39 wut ? Nov 16 02:29:06 #meego - everything here is completely open, didn't you know thats what the channel you are on? Nov 16 02:29:07 it's an open project too, just it's not yet public Nov 16 02:29:17 yes i do Nov 16 02:29:27 but i just followed the discussio Nov 16 02:29:40 gitorious.com/meego Nov 16 02:29:54 which is gone from a part of meego lib taht i'm trying to use in the project Nov 16 02:30:07 thebootroo, you're links are down Nov 16 02:30:11 your* Nov 16 02:30:16 Termana: which on ? Nov 16 02:30:17 sure, i will help you, i know lots about libmeegotouch and its associated things Nov 16 02:30:33 thebootroo, http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item.php?id=77 and http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item?id=78 Nov 16 02:30:40 gimme the git url and I will submit a patch fxing your problem Nov 16 02:30:54 lcuk: i'm trying to use the libconnman-qt in a plainQt project Nov 16 02:31:31 and a simple thing as creating a new networkListModel and setModel with it on a QListView is giving a SEGFAULT Nov 16 02:31:51 if you cant let us run your code, then follow the normal bug filing practices and submit a testcase highlighting the problem Nov 16 02:31:52 Termana: i tried the links and they are workin Nov 16 02:32:25 * lcuk sleeps and ignores the noise Nov 16 02:33:27 lcuk: ok i see u r one of these 'show me the code' fanatics, well so Nov 16 02:33:47 just to prove i'm not against the fact of showin the code when its clean : Nov 16 02:33:52 #include "networklistmodel.h" Nov 16 02:33:56 #include "MainWindow.h" Nov 16 02:34:00 MainWindow::MainWindow(QWidget *parent) : QMainWindow(parent) Nov 16 02:34:02 { Nov 16 02:34:04 setupUi(this); Nov 16 02:34:08 NetworkListModel * theNetworksModel = new NetworkListModel(this); Nov 16 02:34:12 listView->setModel(theNetworksModel); Nov 16 02:34:14 } Nov 16 02:34:16 DEBUG: The program has unexpectedly finished. Nov 16 02:34:18 so what Nov 16 02:34:20 very little code Nov 16 02:34:24 and big bug Nov 16 02:34:25 thebootroo, strange it keeps timing out for me Nov 16 02:34:26 (bunn) Nov 16 02:34:39 Termana: weird yes Nov 16 02:34:39 downforeveryoneorjustme.com says it's up Nov 16 02:35:10 yes its up, suer Nov 16 02:35:13 *sure Nov 16 02:38:39 thebootroo: use a site like http://pastebin.com/ to paste better than the channel Nov 16 02:40:22 g night all Nov 16 02:40:27 bonne nuit Nov 16 02:41:00 bonne nuit a toi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 16 02:59:58 2010