**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 19 02:59:58 2010 Nov 19 03:00:20 wonder when those Lenovo netbooks given to Meego conf participants will be shipped out... Nov 19 03:00:51 i still want to call meego moblin as it run so much like moblin and has the full suport and backing by intell something no other linux has Nov 19 03:00:52 so is Meego essentialy a new (or another) linux distro? Nov 19 03:01:16 vicarious-: not really a distro but a linux based OS for all usages Nov 19 03:01:43 thebootroo: sorry, help me understand please, why isn't it considered a distro? Nov 19 03:01:51 vicarious-: and more than just the os, there are the ideas, the design , the people, the community .... Nov 19 03:02:03 mmm, i would call meego a distro Nov 19 03:02:45 targeted at embedded systems with rich ui Nov 19 03:02:50 vicarious-: for my part i dont call it reallt Yet Another Distro, cause all the stack are getting shacked to remove dust of all old versions of linux Nov 19 03:03:13 it doesnt feel like you average distro were it not for the linux kerenl it wouldnt be Nov 19 03:03:46 it uses linux kernel Nov 19 03:04:01 but i dont call android or mac os a distro but a linux based os Nov 19 03:04:19 thats how i see meego Nov 19 03:04:23 at the moment meego uses linux standard stacks (appart for the compositor) Nov 19 03:04:27 a linux based OS Nov 19 03:04:27 thebootroo: sorry et c etrange le bouton ne clic plus Nov 19 03:04:30 but it may change by need Nov 19 03:05:00 niala: pas de message dans le debug ? Nov 19 03:05:08 du genre pas de slot machin truc ? Nov 19 03:05:37 niala: au pire traitons ca the #qt-fr j'y suis aussi Nov 19 03:06:05 what is moblin and maemo in relation to meego? Nov 19 03:06:39 meego IS moblin and maemo Nov 19 03:06:51 vicarious-: two former oses (moblin for netbook from intel and maemo from tablets from nokia which i own) which had been merged 6 months ago to base the meego project Nov 19 03:07:35 so meego targets netbook, tablet, but also phones (that maemo did quite wrong) and even gps, automotive , web tv.... Nov 19 03:07:57 and connected tvs to Nov 19 03:08:07 (my last one) Nov 19 03:08:19 is it designed to be used on touchscreen devices? Nov 19 03:08:26 mainly Nov 19 03:08:28 yes Nov 19 03:08:30 but overall Nov 19 03:08:35 its optimized for finger Nov 19 03:08:46 to get better than symbian Nov 19 03:08:55 which is more stylus oriented Nov 19 03:09:50 but the meego part which is really finger friendly is MeeGo Touch Framework, tha the current netbook edition doesn't use AFAIK Nov 19 03:10:59 touch compatablity can be installed through pkg manger Nov 19 03:11:19 WIIman: o rly ? Nov 19 03:11:26 mangae apps or whatever its called Nov 19 03:11:41 i saw in repo i think Nov 19 03:11:49 uhh, reading the faq, and I'm at a wtf spot: Q Will MeeGo use telepathy? Nov 19 03:11:50 Yes. MeeGo will use telepathy. Nov 19 03:11:59 telepathy? Nov 19 03:12:00 WIIman: u mean be able of running MTF apps on it on actually modding the whole UX to finger size ? Nov 19 03:12:05 is that a joke or something? Nov 19 03:13:16 it least thats what it looked like to be available if not nativly sertainlly after enableing comunity repo Nov 19 03:13:28 but i was in a repo Nov 19 03:13:56 i dont have a touch screen so i dint install the apps Nov 19 03:14:59 vicarious-: even telepathy-butterfly Nov 19 03:15:04 Meego will use telepathy!?!?! Nov 19 03:15:10 niala: huh? Nov 19 03:15:36 telepathy? like ESP? Nov 19 03:16:04 esp ? Nov 19 03:16:57 Extra Sensory Perception aka Magic Nov 19 03:17:47 okay, perhaps I should rephrase my question: what is telepathy in this context? Nov 19 03:17:59 is it a technology or something? Nov 19 03:19:04 vicarious-: telepathy is a linux standar stack for multiprotocol messaging Nov 19 03:19:24 vicarious-: basically it uses tubes over dbus for makin different plugin worklin together Nov 19 03:20:17 vicarious-: if you uses a distro like Ubuntu, u have the apps 'Empathy' which uses telepathy as backend for supporting many protocols Nov 19 03:25:14 I see, thank you Nov 19 04:03:35 :) @ #MeeGoConf Nov 19 04:04:21 lcuk: you're back good travel ? Nov 19 04:05:01 yes, smooth and easy, but my sleep pattern is messed up, I had a headache this morning before traveling Nov 19 04:05:29 had lunch with some colleagues and leinir before heading off for a simple flight Nov 19 04:05:33 headache, the guiness wasgood :) Nov 19 04:06:02 the headache was related to my room location, the sunlight made it warm and the window would not open far enough to cool it Nov 19 04:06:36 oh well, that's not nice Nov 19 04:07:51 i am somewhat exhausted, but read some really nice reports already and been compiling some lists of things the netbook has Nov 19 04:08:10 i will post it to the wiki actually Nov 19 04:08:15 others can fill in bits from it Nov 19 04:47:31 night Nov 19 04:47:34 is it possible to play werewolf online do you think? what would the digital rules be. Nov 19 04:47:35 gnite Nov 19 04:48:13 using a graphical interface and an irc channel or IM channels Nov 19 04:48:28 5h40 i ll sleep 2days Nov 19 04:48:33 haha Nov 19 05:05:20 hi Nov 19 05:06:33 I can no longer find the Wiki page for posting notes from the Conference BoF sessions. Anyone? Nov 19 05:07:41 Alison_Chaiken, \o hi, i was making a bunch of notes earlier on my ideapad about the current ux and oddities Nov 19 05:07:56 but i fail at logging into wiki and pasting Nov 19 05:08:20 (i got sidetracked adding a new item to it which occured when I opened the browser) Nov 19 05:09:06 Alison_Chaiken, how was your walk, did you get caught in the rain? Nov 19 05:09:12 On Weds I saw the official BoF/unconference wiki page where the notes were to be posted but now that I've typed my notes, I can't seem to find it again. Nov 19 05:09:49 lcuk, we sure did get soaked in the rain, but we (Heikke and Mats and I) had a fine dinner at the Blarney Inn and a pleasant walk to downtown at least. Nov 19 05:10:54 :) cool Nov 19 05:13:15 Alison_Chaiken, on wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Unconference there is a session notes one with example and harware hacking session listed Nov 19 05:23:09 im building weechat :) Nov 19 05:38:19 is there a meego iso I can download? or perhaps a pre-built meego vm that I can download? Nov 19 05:40:54 @vicarious-: http://meego.com/downloads Nov 19 05:42:28 lcuk, there was a page with the BoF schedule that I believe the notes were to be added to, but it seems to have gone missing. Thanks anyway though. Nov 19 05:52:53 huomenta Nov 19 05:56:41 'menta Nov 19 06:00:19 huomenta Nov 19 06:01:25 yes, I'm on the download web page, but where can I download an iso or vm? Nov 19 06:01:51 uh, wrong channel, sorry I used finnish Nov 19 06:08:07 Hi .. iam trying to add a Meego device configuration but when i test it for my local machine it keeps saying no Qt packages found . What should i do? Nov 19 06:09:12 leinir, spyro, http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/analogliterals.xhtml Nov 19 06:19:50 is the .img file the same as an .iso file? Nov 19 06:22:14 lcuk: hehe Nov 19 06:23:18 @vicarious-: pretty much... http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Nov 19 06:30:08 no, I can't create a vm with a .img file. I need an .iso file Nov 19 06:32:51 how do I get an .iso of meego? Nov 19 06:32:53 if that img is not iso then you need to convert it Nov 19 06:33:03 how do I convert it? Nov 19 06:37:32 oh I found a tool to do it Nov 19 06:41:05 is there a way to see kernel logs from a previous session? i have an odd freezing issue that occurs with no reason when in the os, and I'd like to find out why it happens Nov 19 06:42:20 no need to convert, just rename to another extension Nov 19 07:10:50 erani: if your device freezes it's unlikely that the panic is written off to disk. you could try a (serial) console Nov 19 07:45:40 dm8tbr: ok. how do I do that? Nov 19 07:46:07 * erani is yet unfamiliar with these things Nov 19 07:46:12 erani: does your device have a hardware serial port? Nov 19 07:55:01 unfortunately, no. is it possible with an USB to RS-232 adapter? Nov 19 08:03:15 Hey guys. Where is my app supposed to save its data? I mean, does Meego use freedesktop.org standards, like $XDG_DATA_HOME etc.? Nov 19 08:06:04 erani: I don't think so. I've never used kernel console over network, you could look into that if you can connect ethernet. Nov 19 08:19:01 dm8tbr: ok, thanks. I'll try to look into it this weekend Nov 19 08:57:10 I need help! I'm having a problem trying to install meego 1.1 Nov 19 08:58:00 I'm trying to install it as a vm running in vmware workstation on a pentium m 2.25GHz laptop Nov 19 08:58:17 I get through most of the install Nov 19 08:58:48 the last page of the install I got to was the one where you enter your username and password Nov 19 08:59:20 I clicked on the forward button and I get a blank black screen and nothing happens Nov 19 08:59:30 any suggestions/ideos? Nov 19 08:59:42 oops: ideos = ideas Nov 19 09:03:03 <[Steven_M]> hi all Nov 19 09:03:17 hi, can you help me? Nov 19 09:03:49 [08:50] I need help! I'm having a problem trying to install meego 1.1 Nov 19 09:03:51 [08:51] I'm trying to install it as a vm running in vmware workstation on a pentium m 2.25GHz laptop Nov 19 09:03:53 [08:51] I get through most of the install Nov 19 09:03:55 [08:51] the last page of the install I got to was the one where you enter your username and password Nov 19 09:03:57 [08:52] I clicked on the forward button and I get a blank black screen and nothing happens Nov 19 09:03:59 [08:52] any suggestions/ideas? Nov 19 09:05:12 <[Steven_M]> Can you run popular GNU Apps on meego such as claws-mail and pidgin? Nov 19 09:09:46 [Steven_M]: well, atleast on Maemo that was possible Nov 19 09:10:24 [Steven_M]: so I doubt it's too difficult to get them working on MeeGo either Nov 19 09:11:07 <[Steven_M]> Myrtti: what's maemo? Nov 19 09:12:10 [Steven_M]: the internet tablet/phone operating system developed by Nokia in 2004-2010 that was later merged with Moblin to be MeeGo Nov 19 09:12:36 (by Nokia and open source contributors of several projects) Nov 19 09:12:52 it does show I just woke up, sorry Nov 19 09:13:20 * Myrtti goes to make first batch of tea of the day Nov 19 09:14:12 <[Steven_M]> Myrtti: ahh ok, I'm a smart phone newbie. Nov 19 09:16:48 and I'm a netbook newbie, in fact I still don't have one :-) Nov 19 09:16:49 * RST38h yawns, then moos Nov 19 09:19:31 Is there any specific community group for meego q&a stuff ? Nov 19 09:20:16 jani: other than #meego-qa and the mailing list? Nov 19 09:20:29 <[Steven_M]> is meego GNU/Linux? Nov 19 09:20:56 [Steven_M]: yes, has a gnu userland Nov 19 09:21:08 Myrtti: whats the mailing list host? Nov 19 09:21:17 lists.meego.com Nov 19 09:21:28 <[Steven_M]> Stskeeps: thanks. Nov 19 09:21:30 jani: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-qa Nov 19 09:21:44 thanks Nov 19 09:21:53 Myrtti: you should have come to DUB Nov 19 09:21:58 then you'd have a netbook, like me :) Nov 19 09:22:22 timeless_mbp: thanks for rubbing it in Nov 19 09:23:01 <[Steven_M]> As a Linux fan I am torn between buying an Android phone and waiting for a GNU/Linux smart phone to come out. Nov 19 09:23:24 Myrtti: any time :) Nov 19 09:23:32 Myrtti: actually Nov 19 09:23:39 if you have time and want to play Nov 19 09:23:51 can anyone help me with meego device configuration .. i am stuck Nov 19 09:23:54 my ideapad would like to be converted into a dualboot w/ meego Nov 19 09:23:58 so you're welcome to play Nov 19 09:24:09 mm.. not much of a community stuff there as i was fearing.. Nov 19 09:24:18 (i.e. bring the power adapter for EU and you can make it dual boot and play on either side for a while) Nov 19 09:24:53 jani: they just opened a week ago or so, i'm seeing more than i'm expected :) Nov 19 09:24:55 qareports.meego.com as well Nov 19 09:25:23 actually I'm waiting for the details of Dell Inspiron Duo to be published Nov 19 09:25:30 (as I've said earlier) Nov 19 09:26:15 Myrtti: actually, is there an alternative to verkokauppa if i just want an adapter cable? Nov 19 09:26:32 the laptop has one of those three round thing ports for power Nov 19 09:26:59 timeless_mbp: it has a standard plug to the powersupply, you can go to any electronics or electric shop and get another one Nov 19 09:27:04 http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00oCztcSmylKkT/Laptop-Power-Supply-for-Liteon-19v-6-3a-120w.jpg Nov 19 09:27:13 zinit: this is Finland Nov 19 09:27:20 we don't have lots of those (or anything else) Nov 19 09:27:27 so? do you have chlas ohlsson therE? Nov 19 09:27:33 we do Nov 19 09:27:38 there you go:) Nov 19 09:27:44 they have cables Nov 19 09:27:45 timeless_mbp: how much is it in VK? Nov 19 09:27:49 * timeless_mbp isn't sure they'd have it Nov 19 09:28:01 mythi: i arrived last night after 11pm Nov 19 09:28:03 w/o my luggage Nov 19 09:28:07 its the exact same cable ibm, hp, dell and lenovo uses Nov 19 09:28:11 (which should arrive around 12pm today) Nov 19 09:28:17 hrm, dell? Nov 19 09:28:33 no, not dell Nov 19 09:28:35 bring your current cable and you can doublecheck the end that goes into the psu Nov 19 09:28:42 my dell has the same plug in the psu Nov 19 09:28:47 dell has (round|round) (round) Nov 19 09:28:55 timeless_mbp: bebek has http://www.bebek.fi/kauppa/lisatiedot.php?&tuote_id=7719 Nov 19 09:28:56 and the lenovo? Nov 19 09:28:57 this 3 rounds in a triangle Nov 19 09:29:01 yes Nov 19 09:29:27 Myrtti: ok, where's bebek? Nov 19 09:29:28 dell and ibm have a nac for using one that is also flat with 3 connections Nov 19 09:29:46 timeless_mbp: sörnäisten rantatie 6 Nov 19 09:29:48 the main standard people use is the same as the ideapad has Nov 19 09:29:56 zinit: sure, doesn't help me Nov 19 09:30:00 i have a dell and a mac Nov 19 09:30:18 any place that sells laptops usually have power cables too Nov 19 09:30:26 and chlas has just about anything:P Nov 19 09:30:36 also if you got biltema, they have Nov 19 09:31:18 Stskeeps: blargh =( Nov 19 09:31:19 Myrtti: clas would be closer to me, i'm walking distance to kamppi/ruoholahti Nov 19 09:31:53 then go there:) Nov 19 09:31:58 timeless_mbp: well, you didn't ask me for one close to you ;-) the limitations were "other than verkkokauppa" Nov 19 09:32:03 heh Nov 19 09:32:07 serves me right :) Nov 19 09:32:43 damn right Nov 19 09:32:56 mmm, sleeeeep. :) Nov 19 09:33:11 Chani: sleep? Nov 19 09:33:32 http://www.clasohlson.co.uk/About/StoreDetail.aspx?id=10005754 Nov 19 09:34:02 Mek: sleep. it was good. :) Nov 19 09:34:04 http://www.clasohlson.co.uk/Product/Product.aspx?id=54924005 looks like the UK version of the cable - i.e. what i already have Nov 19 09:34:10 timeless_mbp: closes ohlson is propably in mannerheimintie Nov 19 09:34:22 jani: nope, kampi Nov 19 09:34:26 Mek: how's it going over there? Nov 19 09:34:32 it's my local neighborhood grocery store :) Nov 19 09:34:36 Chani: figuring out an agenda Nov 19 09:34:36 -- stone's throw away Nov 19 09:34:43 ack true½ Nov 19 09:35:58 Mek: cool.. i'll be over there in.. prolly an hour? Nov 19 09:36:20 hi all Nov 19 09:36:29 hi Nov 19 09:36:42 Mek: i assume the agenda has the obvious points from the meeting with dirk, and thiago's request, already? Nov 19 09:36:53 i have been waiting for the last past 3 years for a linux mobile device with imap, caldav and carddav support Nov 19 09:36:57 anything else interesting happening? Nov 19 09:37:16 the n900 has been a disapointment in this regards for having limited imap and no caldav or carddav support Nov 19 09:37:28 now i have my hopes on meego Nov 19 09:37:55 where can i make a feature request for a caldav calender and a carddav contacts Nov 19 09:37:58 tuxcrafter: a disappointment when running meamo? Nov 19 09:38:10 CosmoHill: yes when runningh meamo Nov 19 09:38:17 tuxcrafter: bugs.meego.com Nov 19 09:38:23 arg Nov 19 09:38:32 wow, clas really screws up w/ the flags Nov 19 09:38:41 they have country flags on their pages Nov 19 09:38:52 those take you to the store for that country's flag Nov 19 09:39:02 which means you can't shop the Finnish store in English Nov 19 09:39:09 instead you get sent to the British store Nov 19 09:39:16 which has different prices and selection Nov 19 09:39:18 oy, cruel.. Nov 19 09:39:24 hi Chani Nov 19 09:39:25 noticed that... Nov 19 09:39:38 but if you are in finland, just go by and get a cable:P Nov 19 09:39:40 to be fair, it's better than misusing Flags to mean Language Nov 19 09:40:05 hrm, i have 30mins until my luggage should arrive Nov 19 09:40:08 ok... i'll do that Nov 19 09:40:08 they sell those cables. I have bought cables at chlas in norway before Nov 19 09:40:15 timeless_mbp: some flight websites do hat too - and the prices in dollars are disproportionately high too Nov 19 09:41:06 prices at any travel site or airport are insane for essentials Nov 19 09:41:43 just look at a tube of toothpaste at an airport... I have seen that for 6-7 euros... and at any grocery store its 2-3 euros:P Nov 19 09:42:09 Chani: really? Nov 19 09:42:15 i generally find the prices in dollars work as well Nov 19 09:42:39 zinit: a colleague wanted toothpaste while @Dub Nov 19 09:42:44 the hotel had free toothbrushes Nov 19 09:42:53 but the clerk said they were too cheap to include toothpaste Nov 19 09:43:03 the store attached to the hotel only sold the full size toothpaste Nov 19 09:43:35 (the hotel i stayed at 2 weeks ago in Lyon, FR had toothpaste w/ its toothbrushes) Nov 19 09:44:15 thats the most common I have seen too... (cant remember ever seing a hotel with no toothpaste...) Nov 19 09:44:15 first decision of the day: to have more tea or no Nov 19 09:44:30 Myrtti: coffee ftw!!! Nov 19 09:46:14 zinit: it was really amusing how frankly the clerk put it Nov 19 09:46:16 anyone still in dublin? or have everybody gone home now? Nov 19 09:46:26 i think some are staying through the weekend Nov 19 09:46:26 hehe Nov 19 09:46:29 but most left yesterday Nov 19 09:46:37 coffee, small cigar and and then something stronger to dull the pain after work. Nov 19 09:47:05 Does 70%+ chocolate qualify as coffee? Nov 19 09:47:17 dublin is nice in the weekend. the market in temple bar in the weekends is nice Nov 19 09:47:34 and the food market is realy nice for getting good food Nov 19 09:48:05 we always buy all our greens and fruit there. (its the only place you can find fresh fruit and veggies in dublin...) Nov 19 09:48:16 I'm being boring and girlish then today, forest fruits tea and raspberry xylitol candy Nov 19 09:48:17 (that I know of anyway) Nov 19 09:48:28 you go ahead with your smokes and coffee... Nov 19 09:48:44 oh btw, GUESS WHAT DAY IT IS TODAY! Nov 19 09:48:53 friday? Nov 19 09:48:54 yes, it's FRIDAY Nov 19 09:48:57 \o/ Nov 19 09:49:05 crap it's friday Nov 19 09:49:09 * CosmoHill has to hand stuff in today Nov 19 09:51:21 * w00t_ wanders in Nov 19 09:51:28 hey w00t Nov 19 09:52:10 w00t_: you know a long time ago you meantioned running tutorial's / lessons to each others how to package things / do qt Nov 19 09:52:14 what's happening with that? Nov 19 09:54:03 Morning, all Nov 19 09:54:28 w00t: Didn't get to catch-up with you at #meegoconf (unless I did, and didn't put a name to a face ;-)) Nov 19 09:58:11 RST38h: you could make irish coffee out of it ? Nov 19 09:58:56 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10214 Nov 19 10:06:22 hiho i am booting meego 1.1 on a atom 2530 device with video poulsbo graphics but the screen stays black after the kernel messages .. Nov 19 10:06:28 any hints to go on here ? Nov 19 10:06:45 how good are you at command line linux? Nov 19 10:06:49 rob_w_: poulsbo isn't supported in meego due to a messy licensing situation Nov 19 10:06:50 very ! Nov 19 10:07:04 Stskeeps: Eh? Nov 19 10:07:04 rob_w_: you can probably install 1.0 and the intel EMGD drivers Nov 19 10:07:13 you'll have to install the poulsbo driver yourself Nov 19 10:07:18 k Nov 19 10:07:19 RST38h: well, out of box Nov 19 10:07:28 i got them running on suse 11.2 Nov 19 10:07:41 whee, train interwebs Nov 19 10:07:53 there's several poulsbo drivers out there Nov 19 10:07:55 whats the way toboot meego into command line only .. init 3 didnt do the trick Nov 19 10:08:08 rob_w_: edit /etc/inittab and outcomment the 'x:' line Nov 19 10:08:14 Stskeeps: Oh, that is everyone's favorite Imagetech thingie Nov 19 10:08:16 how can this be as meego is intel chips Nov 19 10:08:17 rob_w_: you have to add a "3" to the end of the boot line Nov 19 10:08:29 CosmoHill: thank you for the direction to the bug tracker i added http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10215 and http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10214 Nov 19 10:08:31 RST38h: it's really funny cos the mrst stuff has sgx too and licensing is fine there Nov 19 10:08:45 rob_w_ the poulsbo chip has intel's name on it but they did not design it Nov 19 10:08:53 oh ,, Nov 19 10:09:18 lemme put the iomage on the hdd then i can start editing stuff better .. Nov 19 10:09:27 Stskeeps: To be fair, Poulsbo actually means the whole SCH Nov 19 10:09:32 has anyone figured out the right click issue with the ideapad in linux? Nov 19 10:09:53 RST38h: ok, then gma500 :P Nov 19 10:10:09 Stskeeps: Or "north cluster" or "north bridge", whatever, things have become hazy with Intel SoCs Nov 19 10:10:29 Stskeeps: Yea, the GFX basically Nov 19 10:11:14 Stskeeps: There should be a VDC there as well, so you should still be able to run X on it, just no 3D Nov 19 10:12:19 yeah, but that's not enough for meego :) Nov 19 10:12:51 Stskeeps: weeeeelll... Nov 19 10:13:18 should it be doable to dd the usbstick to a partiton ? Nov 19 10:19:02 k differnet question .. dd usbimg isnt a good idea as its all iso stuff .. how can i boot up meego to install on a partition with bothering the pouslbo ? Nov 19 10:22:44 rob_w_: you can boot into the command line by added 3 to the end of the boot menu command Nov 19 10:23:05 at boot press tab and replace "quiet" with "3" Nov 19 10:24:10 kk Nov 19 10:24:19 why isnt init 3 working as exspected ? Nov 19 10:25:11 not working .. it switches the screeen and stays black again .. maybe the fb driver is also bad with my devie Nov 19 10:25:29 fbdev=vesa maybe ? Nov 19 10:26:40 fbdev=vesa maybe Nov 19 10:26:45 Hmmm, the ideapad doesn't seem to wake from sleep Nov 19 10:29:54 it really seems to be the console fb driver fukcing it up Nov 19 10:30:09 it has vga=current in there Nov 19 10:30:17 adding init=/bin/sh works as exspected Nov 19 10:30:24 rob_w__: did you edit inittab like i asked you to? Nov 19 10:30:30 i cant Nov 19 10:30:32 Stskeeps: he can't Nov 19 10:30:37 why not? Nov 19 10:30:38 :P Nov 19 10:30:51 it's off the live key, I think he said Nov 19 10:30:57 correct Nov 19 10:31:00 mmkay Nov 19 10:31:06 edit the live key Nov 19 10:31:06 :P Nov 19 10:31:14 The live key used to work I thought though Nov 19 10:31:14 its a squash img Nov 19 10:31:26 * Stskeeps goes back to arm where things are sane Nov 19 10:31:27 :P Nov 19 10:31:35 rob_w__: There's a few tutorials on MeeGo for the Joggler hardware, that might help out Nov 19 10:32:06 k Nov 19 10:39:56 hey slaine Nov 19 10:40:07 CosmoHill: hey Nov 19 10:41:44 is the "install" option doing the install grafically ? will it ask for partitions or will it wipe my disk without asking ? Nov 19 10:43:03 it will ask for partitions and what disk to format Nov 19 10:50:55 can i run the installer on cmdline ? Nov 19 10:51:11 I've not tried Nov 19 10:51:19 Tm_T: ping Nov 19 10:57:00 rob_w__, don't think so. Are you trying to get 1.1 on the joggler? Nov 19 10:57:20 not the joggler but a comparable device Nov 19 10:57:42 DawnFoster: where exaclty on the wiki should the unconference notes go? Nov 19 10:57:44 rob_w__, ok well GMA500 won't work with the Xorg version in meego 1.1 Nov 19 10:57:44 i got ubuntu and suse just fine but have to present the device on CES with meego .. Nov 19 10:58:01 rob_w__, ubuntu/suse probably used the IEGD driver not the EMGD one Nov 19 10:58:04 ok Nov 19 10:58:18 so what would be the best approach for any meego ? Nov 19 10:58:20 if you have access to someone at Intel they may have an internal driver Nov 19 10:58:31 or use meego 1.0 Nov 19 10:58:40 will that be working ? Nov 19 10:58:44 Stecchino: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Unconference maybe? Nov 19 10:58:47 arfoll: but he won't be able to present it then because of the non-disclosure policy Nov 19 10:59:07 CosmoHill, I'm not a lawyer ;-) Nov 19 10:59:09 (I may be very very wrong there) Nov 19 10:59:10 Stskeeps: looks like general unconference info only Nov 19 10:59:18 Stecchino: underneath the sessions people post notes, i think Nov 19 10:59:31 rob_w__, yes meego 1.0 with the EMGD that can be gotten officially will work Nov 19 10:59:43 on 1.0 Nov 19 10:59:44 hmm, a bit sparse notes (txt file) but OK Nov 19 10:59:46 k sounds worth a try Nov 19 11:00:18 so meego 1.0 netbook .. right Nov 19 11:01:00 rob_w__, you'll have to make your own image with a .ks. I'd recommend starting with an image with openssh-server running and then install the EMGD drivers Nov 19 11:01:22 oh dear .. i dont like the meego sdk Nov 19 11:01:23 on boot with the stock images the drivers won't work and i'm not even sure you can get to the tty's Nov 19 11:01:36 no meego sdk, the mic2 tool. Nov 19 11:01:43 oh Nov 19 11:01:52 you can boot into command line by putting "3" at the end of the boot line from the boot loader Nov 19 11:01:56 rob_w__, don't rejoice too quickly ;-) Nov 19 11:02:01 :-) Nov 19 11:02:06 no i cant Nov 19 11:02:25 CosmoHill, yeah but tty's are dodgy on GMA500 and stock kernel so best to use openssh Nov 19 11:02:34 the 3 thing doesnt change .. it boots up and switches Nov 19 11:02:46 but blacks out .. i can see hdd activity though after that Nov 19 11:03:00 openssh requires me to setup hte wifi first :-=) Nov 19 11:03:14 I've used meego 1.1 at command line with an ATi 9500 and Matrox GS200 :) Nov 19 11:03:16 as of course the device is a tablet and has no inbuild eth Nov 19 11:03:19 *1.0 Nov 19 11:03:45 rob_w__, best to use a USB->ethernet adapter. Connman has a cli interface if you manage to get to a tty Nov 19 11:03:47 wonder if intel is bad at us if we use smeegol ;-= Nov 19 11:04:06 CosmoHill, yeah but this is gma500 ;-) Nov 19 11:04:17 I found smeegol a bit hit and miss Nov 19 11:04:26 never tried it Nov 19 11:04:34 CosmoHill, on my stock NC10, didn't even managed to get past the installer.... Nov 19 11:04:51 it worked on my bros desktop but not my own and sometimes the icrons screwed up Nov 19 11:04:58 arfoll: I've never made it past the installer Nov 19 11:05:16 it gets confused at the partiioner Nov 19 11:05:24 linpus have a networkmanager interface for the stock netbook UX, which is really my only meego complaint Nov 19 11:05:37 CosmoHill, glad to know i'm not just stupid :-) Nov 19 11:05:50 works well in 'live' mode though Nov 19 11:05:58 rob_w__: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/smeegol-apps-600px.png http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/working-app-icons-600px.png Nov 19 11:08:02 yeah thats the goal :-) Nov 19 11:08:14 note how the icons change Nov 19 11:08:37 k whats the 2 ? Nov 19 11:08:51 I wonder where the hell I've put my phone Nov 19 11:09:13 rob_w__: the firs shows the icons being all screwed up, the second show most of them working Nov 19 11:09:25 cause of gma500 ? Nov 19 11:09:31 nope Nov 19 11:09:42 looks like a clutter or gl bug Nov 19 11:09:52 Intel P4 3.6Ghz with ATi 3850 Nov 19 11:10:13 CosmoHill, are you running fglrx or the OSS radeon? Nov 19 11:10:25 whatever smeegol came with Nov 19 11:10:43 I have a P4 2.8Ghz with a ATi x1650pro which smeegol wouldn't boot on Nov 19 11:18:20 I just noticed a topic in the forums considering the media codec installation requirement for playing mp3 files etc. Is MeeGo going to have a first-time user friendly "click 'n' play" solution for installing proprietary codecs in the future? or are the codecs possibly going to be included from the OEM side when MeeGo devices will be officially shipped to end users Nov 19 11:20:30 erani, legal issues around ffmpeg basically means it's probably going to have to be an OEM thing Nov 19 11:21:12 and as for gst-plugins-ugly/bad well that's allready been stripped of all legally dodgy plugins Nov 19 11:21:43 ok :) Nov 19 11:22:53 lo wazd Nov 19 11:23:07 just popped into my mind as there are some not-to-mention distros out there that prompt the user to install proprietary codecs from a simple install button when playing e.g. say .mp3 for the first time Nov 19 11:23:15 hello Nov 19 11:23:17 doesn't really bother me but i'm just curious Nov 19 11:23:24 erani, it's actually an issue of one-click package installation. and AFAIK we're going to have that. Nov 19 11:23:26 are you guys able to see this Nov 19 11:23:43 smoku: cheers for the answer :) Nov 19 11:24:20 erani, someone just needs to rebuild gstreamer and its dependencies and put it in some repo Nov 19 11:24:46 smoku, someone allready does - http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 Nov 19 11:24:59 arfoll, cool :) Nov 19 11:26:46 nice Nov 19 11:27:12 do we support openSUSE .ymp files? Nov 19 11:51:08 anyone here familar with qtuitest or atleast heard of it ? Nov 19 11:59:46 jani, hrm nope, the guys who do qa-testing stuff for meego hang out on #meego-qa-tools and #meego-qa perhaps ask there Nov 19 12:00:03 awesome, I can kill my phone battery in one short call Nov 19 12:00:14 Hi, I am doing a mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda-runtime poweron but that is not giving any output Nov 19 12:00:15 I installed qemu-kvm but that isnt helping either Nov 19 12:01:36 hey lardman \o Nov 19 12:08:15 hey lcuk Nov 19 12:09:03 lardman, you missed an excellent few days, how was the coverage outside the event? Nov 19 12:09:10 * lcuk asked one question for you Nov 19 12:09:19 coverage was ok, couldn't see the slides though which was a shame Nov 19 12:09:37 hm Nov 19 12:09:45 would also have been good to have some roving cameramen to see what the rest of the place was like and listen in on the last day Nov 19 12:09:58 lardman: In the keynotes, I couldn't see the presenter holding up the "everyone gets one" piece of paper. Nov 19 12:10:01 heh that would be awesome Nov 19 12:10:28 Jaffa: I missed those anyway, was working (which is why I couldn't come in the end) Nov 19 12:10:32 lardman, especially if the webui allowed you to vote which area the camera man headed for! Nov 19 12:11:19 lcuk: yes that would be cool, though actually some portable lower-res cameras in a grid would be cool - like the BBC red button Nov 19 12:11:32 choose which audo to hear Nov 19 12:11:32 ooh yeah Nov 19 12:12:10 would be good for the AV guys to be tuned to IRC too, so they could hear that we couldn't see this that the other, and wanted to pan across, etc Nov 19 12:12:30 also someone to read IRC and ask questions would be good - thanks for doing that lcuk Nov 19 12:12:39 i was saying to people that irc to voice can be used in some channels Nov 19 12:12:49 and actually hear the conversation as it happens Nov 19 12:13:10 lardman, thank cosmo, he repasted your message Nov 19 12:13:16 and made sure someone saw it :) Nov 19 12:14:03 thanks cosmo :) Nov 19 12:14:46 * lcuk got woken up by an O2 person offering me cheaper broadband Nov 19 12:15:22 it wont go as fast as the 100mb cable I see from Virgin Nov 19 12:15:38 * lcuk has 3.5g mobile broadband with O2 already :) Nov 19 12:17:33 revdkathy mentioned that theres no irc client directly for meego netbook Nov 19 12:19:20 no irc client Nov 19 12:19:25 it is going to fail Nov 19 12:19:40 ssh + irssi ;p Nov 19 12:20:17 ofc you have to have client side irc with 3g lag Nov 19 12:20:18 pexi, who said anything about fail? its just a chance for someone to bring a whizz bang irc setup to meego :) Nov 19 12:21:10 rubbish, equation editor with no lambda Nov 19 12:21:17 in M$ ppt that is Nov 19 12:21:26 random aside Nov 19 12:21:34 heh Nov 19 12:22:00 hope the one aint khaled mardem-bey Nov 19 12:22:08 lardman, are there any visual equation editors/interactive math apps that we could get onto the netbook build? Nov 19 12:22:39 Qualculate is quite cool, does unit following calcs Nov 19 12:22:48 Qalculate! even Nov 19 12:22:55 R would be good Nov 19 12:23:05 Octave, has some UIs Nov 19 12:23:23 zypper install cigs Nov 19 12:23:43 I really could do with a device with a larger screen and a kb, but not a full notepad size Nov 19 12:24:01 lardman, you should have really come to the conf :P Nov 19 12:24:33 yeah yeah I realise that, but I really have been rather busy this week, so no chance of getting away Nov 19 12:24:43 s/this/last Nov 19 12:25:11 yeah Nov 19 12:29:24 morning andre__ Nov 19 12:29:45 olla Nov 19 12:31:49 safe home after dublin? :) Nov 19 12:35:11 * lardman is happy, passport is back Nov 19 12:53:04 Stskeeps: yepp, all fine. was really fun and a great conf Nov 19 12:54:42 FYI: if you're wondering why your new lenovo doesn't come back from suspend, try waiting 5-10 minutes. Nov 19 12:54:58 I'm not sure what it spends those 5-10 minutes *doing* but it is doing somethin :) Nov 19 12:55:09 Chani: calculates several digits of pi Nov 19 12:55:31 mmmm pi Nov 19 12:55:35 -e Nov 19 12:55:40 with bacon Nov 19 12:55:46 haha Nov 19 12:55:53 bacon pi, even better Nov 19 12:57:52 Chani, easy flight home? Nov 19 12:58:13 lcuk: yep :) Nov 19 12:58:27 first time I've seen ryanair check bag sizes Nov 19 12:58:33 luckily they skipped me.. Nov 19 12:59:04 ryanair collared spyro since he tried to take 5 hand bags onto the flight Nov 19 12:59:13 * lcuk shakes head cos he was majorly warned Nov 19 12:59:25 >.< Nov 19 13:04:53 what do i need to add to install ssh server on the netbook? ssh and ssh-client are the only zypper install options and I don't appear to have sshd anywhere Nov 19 13:04:55 w/ 13 Nov 19 13:04:58 FAIL sorry Nov 19 13:41:15 any suggestions for a particular place on wiki i should put the summary of what I was talking at my unconference session? Nov 19 13:41:57 find the unconference page, make a session page describing and then notes? Nov 19 13:54:05 smoku, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Unconference#Session_notes Nov 19 14:03:41 cu later chaps Nov 19 14:06:05 lcuk, thanks Nov 19 14:16:37 vping Nov 19 14:16:59 GAN900, vack Nov 19 14:17:20 fn fail Nov 19 14:35:34 the lenovo ideapads we got at meego conf have a strange button in the top right of the keyboard above the escape key. I have been told it is the system restore button for the original OS. what do we have to do to allow it to work as system restore for meego? Nov 19 14:36:18 overwriting lenovo windows 7 partition Nov 19 14:36:29 and getting it to work with their way of working Nov 19 14:36:36 I wouldn't try ;) Nov 19 14:37:11 fcrozat, if I buy a device with meego on it, I would damn well expect it to restore meego when I press that button ;) Nov 19 14:37:31 lcuk: it has a system restore button? Nov 19 14:37:32 except the tablet weren't sold with meego Nov 19 14:37:37 you need to set up the lenovo restore system. (has a weird way of partitioning it so it works, and from what I gathered it requires some nasty bios hacking to be able to choose which partition to use as restore) Nov 19 14:37:41 can you see someone pressing it by mistake instead of esc Nov 19 14:37:46 fcrozat, not this week it wasnt Nov 19 14:37:53 but it will be at some point. Nov 19 14:38:00 no CosmoHill Nov 19 14:38:10 its very small, recessed and under the lip of the screen Nov 19 14:38:13 and it would mean for a vendor helping lenovo to do it Nov 19 14:38:17 its out of the way I do not accidentally catch it Nov 19 14:38:18 that button is controled by the bios according to lenovo (there is an artickle about it on the lenovo forum) Nov 19 14:38:21 like novell is doing with some vendors Nov 19 14:38:21 ah, like a reset button, one you need a paper click with Nov 19 14:38:24 fcrozat, of course it would Nov 19 14:38:26 clip* Nov 19 14:38:33 CosmoHill, not quite Nov 19 14:38:37 but its not in the way either Nov 19 14:38:53 zinit, thanks Nov 19 14:42:00 * CosmoHill offers lcuk cheese and crackers Nov 19 14:43:54 CosmoHill, thank you. Nov 19 14:45:39 * lcuk wonders why pmo is downforhim Nov 19 14:47:08 does anyone have a photograph or copy of the cover letter given to conference participants who needed their lenovo delivering to them Nov 19 14:47:21 (those who left before shipments arrived) Nov 19 14:47:32 I saw the letter on the helpdesk but did not take a photo Nov 19 14:57:23 ahoy! Nov 19 14:57:32 lo Texrat Nov 19 14:57:50 loving this little Ideapad Nov 19 14:58:06 I'm now ready to learn Qt coding :D Nov 19 14:58:21 we need a version of Qt that runs on it Nov 19 14:58:38 lcuk the letter on the front desk was that the netbook was a gift and had zero value (in case of customs asking?) Nov 19 14:58:48 you mean the qt-creator IDE Texrat ? Nov 19 14:58:55 yes lcuk Nov 19 14:58:56 ymb, yes Nov 19 14:59:06 did anyone take a picture of it Nov 19 14:59:24 I want to do native coding! Nov 19 14:59:29 Texrat, :) Nov 19 14:59:41 not sure, but it was written by someone associated with LOinuxFondation i thought Nov 19 15:00:00 ymb I didn't report my Ideapad :D Nov 19 15:00:11 ymb, btw, hi ymb \o Nov 19 15:00:15 Texrat: I already installed PHP from the community repo, and qmlviewer from the main repos so I'm good to go :-) Nov 19 15:00:20 US customs has never questioned my forms Nov 19 15:00:26 nice bergie Nov 19 15:00:35 Texrat, it was for automatic delivery Nov 19 15:00:46 and for people in different countries usually Nov 19 15:01:00 so what are the thoughts on an app port request wiki page? should I start one? Nov 19 15:01:04 wifi stuck with lenovo s10 =/ apparently I need a windows installation to solve it (http://www.proli.net/2010/11/19/hidden-wifi-switches/) =/ Nov 19 15:01:06 there were folks from everywhere in the world and I guess that letter helped smooth the way for some Nov 19 15:01:39 arg MoRpHeUz Nov 19 15:01:52 Texrat: :( Nov 19 15:02:29 right in the middle of kde mobile sprint =/ Nov 19 15:02:30 * Myrtti checks for updates on hardware specifications of the Dell Inspiron Duo, is disappointed once again Nov 19 15:02:37 Texrat, I too may have "forgotten" to announce it :) Nov 19 15:03:13 lcuk is spamming my email inbox :P Nov 19 15:03:30 only because you weren't in here :) Nov 19 15:03:34 MoRpHeUz: to enable wifi under linux you need to install windows? Nov 19 15:03:58 thanks for the maemo porting pages though lcuk Nov 19 15:04:09 CosmoHill: welcome to the wonderful world of lenovo's s10 :P hehe Nov 19 15:04:09 Google failed when I looked last night Nov 19 15:04:37 and by the way lcuk, damn you English for switching " and @ on keyboards!!! :P Nov 19 15:04:43 * lcuk kicks pmo Nov 19 15:04:47 CosmoHill: the thing is that this only happens sometimes. and then to enable again you need to boot into windows, run lenovo's power management tool and enable wifi+bluetooth Nov 19 15:04:50 Texrat, its a new keyboard anyway Nov 19 15:04:53 CosmoHill: then it works again Nov 19 15:04:55 Texrat, have you fixed the ideapad touchpad? Nov 19 15:04:56 everything is different position for me also Nov 19 15:04:58 that's just stupid Nov 19 15:05:07 smoku how would I do that? Nov 19 15:05:33 Texrat, you voted for the bug and ranked it highly Nov 19 15:05:47 IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT Nov 19 15:05:47 I did? Nov 19 15:05:55 Texrat, I managed to enable right click and circle scrolling with commandline util. but I do not know how to make it permanent Nov 19 15:06:22 ah smoku... it will need to go into HID configuration settings Nov 19 15:06:30 smoku, would you like to document what you did on the wiki and we can see amongst ourselves how to help you Nov 19 15:06:31 * CosmoHill chokes when he saw that VAT is going up Nov 19 15:07:06 lcuk, i had that idea, but was to tired yesterday and just went to bed ;-) Nov 19 15:07:17 i know that feeling Nov 19 15:07:49 i might return there soon myself, still tired from the week Nov 19 15:08:36 well... the gnome mouse configuration has option for side scrolling. maybe it has more hidden settings in gconf. I need to see Nov 19 15:08:40 I seem to always catch a cold when I travel... throat hurts today. Coffee is slow to cure this morning Nov 19 15:11:15 by the way if you are looking for a mouse for Ideapad, HP travel mouse coordinates lookwise and works very well Nov 19 15:12:16 still to come: bathroom test for Ideapad. Will it replace my N900 for those long ordeals? :D Nov 19 15:13:33 Texrat, its got the extended battery I suppose Nov 19 15:13:38 btw, how do you find meego netbook interface? Nov 19 15:13:40 lol lcuk Nov 19 15:14:02 and it won't drop in the toilet as easily Nov 19 15:14:07 I think the idea is great, but execution annoys me as hell :/ Nov 19 15:14:21 did anybody find a solution for resume on the S10? Nov 19 15:14:25 smoku that's Nokia's business strategy btw Nov 19 15:14:31 sometimes it resumes, sometimes you get a black screen Nov 19 15:14:43 MoRpHeUz: did you check the hardware wifi switch on the side ? Nov 19 15:14:46 I've had that once bergie, have not seen a fix Nov 19 15:14:50 mine was "off" Nov 19 15:14:59 and I took me some time to discover it :) Nov 19 15:15:00 beford, I was surprised yesterday, when it actualy woke up from suspend :D Nov 19 15:15:16 bergie, just wait Nov 19 15:15:19 s/beford/bergie/ Nov 19 15:15:19 smoku meant: bergie, I was surprised yesterday, when it actualy woke up from suspend :D Nov 19 15:15:35 from what I heard from Chani this morning, it does/can come back to life fully after about 5minutes o_O Nov 19 15:15:44 mine seems to restore quite quickly Nov 19 15:16:00 lcuk, it wants to make sure you're serious about it waking up Nov 19 15:16:14 ROTFL Nov 19 15:16:19 Ideapad: the netbook with a suspend snooze Nov 19 15:17:31 I decided on the plane trip back home I'm going to start on a MeeGo theme song and see if timsamoff can do a video Nov 19 15:17:41 then perform it live as a lightning talk Nov 19 15:17:55 Texrat, :) Ian spyro plays the guitar Nov 19 15:18:01 ooo Nov 19 15:18:07 need some singers Nov 19 15:18:24 hehe Nov 19 15:18:33 thinking of a reggae number with doowop harmony Nov 19 15:18:36 anybody knows a good resource to learn how to set up a OBS for MeeGo? (the build system) Nov 19 15:19:31 Texrat: sorry I did not have a chance to say good bye. it was a pleasure meeting you and the ganf Nov 19 15:19:59 likewise fcrochik! Nov 19 15:20:25 one conference goof: no goodbye ceremony like we had at Maemo Summit Nov 19 15:20:32 and no awards! Nov 19 15:20:38 must fix for next time' Nov 19 15:20:39 hi all, i'm trying to build a debian package out of git://gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-compositor.git , but there are some dependencies like aegis-builder that i don't know where to get. any hints ? Nov 19 15:21:18 Texrat: have you figured out how to install qtcreator? Nov 19 15:21:36 fcrochik on Ideapad? is it even possible? Nov 19 15:21:42 I would love to! Nov 19 15:21:43 Texrat: yes Nov 19 15:21:53 texrat so the evening of free beer and sport was not enough then? Nov 19 15:22:05 ymb that was not a formal conclusion Nov 19 15:22:09 Texrat: just download from the qt web site the linux 32 bit Nov 19 15:22:12 good, but more of an aftermath Nov 19 15:22:21 fcrochik: yep...it's turned on... Nov 19 15:22:23 I will try it fcrochik Nov 19 15:22:27 ymb: I skipped that one as I didn't see it as a "closing session" and am not particularly interested in football Nov 19 15:22:53 so bergie do you agree it should have had a closing like Maemo Summit? Nov 19 15:23:09 Texrat: it is not great because of the resolution.... if you use an external monitor works much better Nov 19 15:23:34 fcrochik that's another question-- external video is supported? Nov 19 15:23:40 Texrat: it should be easy to get qt creator working on the ideapad :) Nov 19 15:23:42 bergie: i probably have even less interest in football than you, but decided to use it as a nice "winddown" session Nov 19 15:24:10 Texrat: I haven't tried but saw the option on the settings Nov 19 15:24:34 I wonder how it "decided" that it was time to turn off my wifi :P it's so stupid that even battery report status is broken so it shows as if the battery was empty while it's really full Nov 19 15:24:36 wold hae worked better as a closing session, if the snacks and beer option was highlighted Nov 19 15:25:10 fcrochik that's another thing-- I could only see how to get to General Settings via Clock applet. Isn't there a direct method? Nov 19 15:25:39 I'm a big "control panel" guy and tend to orient aroudn them Nov 19 15:25:51 that and file managers Nov 19 15:26:12 luisbg-pi, opensuse wiki has a very good OBS documentation Nov 19 15:27:03 Texrat: I saw the option on the "zone\programs" Nov 19 15:28:16 smoku, OK, I will google for it, thanks! Nov 19 15:28:37 do you need extra/different stuff for MeeGo or is it the same? Nov 19 15:29:09 luisbg-pi, same. latest release has "for MeeGo" nickname ;-) Nov 19 15:29:52 okay MeeGo window switching just tripped me up Nov 19 15:30:00 did I just leave this channel? Nov 19 15:30:28 smoku, wow! awesome Nov 19 15:30:33 or am I aloso still logged in as Texrat? Nov 19 15:30:45 Texrat_: Texrat is here Nov 19 15:30:52 yeah I see... wtf Nov 19 15:30:58 browser acting up on me Nov 19 15:31:01 o.0 Nov 19 15:31:02 there are two of you Texrat Nov 19 15:31:26 somehow new browser instance opened when I wanted to retuirn to existing one Nov 19 15:31:32 I miss alt-tab!!! Nov 19 15:31:41 do you know are there any plans for MeeGo tablet UI? the netbook ui is unusable on ideapad in tablet mode Nov 19 15:31:47 shit... how to get back... Nov 19 15:31:58 Texrat, alt-tab works fine for me Nov 19 15:32:21 ah, NOW it does for me! did not at conference Nov 19 15:32:25 smoku: if we had screen rotation and on-screen keyboard, I guess it'd be quite ok Nov 19 15:32:48 bergie, there is no way of calling top menu without mouse Nov 19 15:32:58 fixed Nov 19 15:33:30 smoku there is tablet UI plan-- but Ideapad needs hybrid UI Nov 19 15:34:24 i'm curious if the rotate thing has a sensor Nov 19 15:34:32 something like Ideapad should detect screen being converted and auto switch to tablet mode Nov 19 15:34:33 Texrat, i would rather use it like n900 - in tablet mode, calling the keyboard only when necessary Nov 19 15:34:43 agreed smoku, mee to Nov 19 15:34:46 too* Nov 19 15:34:56 I would like to do graphics that way Nov 19 15:35:20 hmm. Nov 19 15:35:21 along those lines, I found that Inkscape guys are not interested in Qt :( Nov 19 15:35:27 aww :/ Nov 19 15:36:16 Stskeeps ultimately I think the rotate feature needs to be detectable Nov 19 15:36:22 * Chani needs to learn how to use OBS, maybe get hacking on some alternate ui shells Nov 19 15:36:58 * notmart is drooling to start to use obs as well :/ Nov 19 15:37:13 'course, I'd need an account too. who was it that grants those again? started with l... Nov 19 15:37:18 building all sort of stuff in the chroot version of the sdk tough Nov 19 15:37:20 lbt, x-fade Nov 19 15:37:21 :P Nov 19 15:37:21 shit, I cannot get pilot to light on gas fireplace... freaking COLD this morning! Nov 19 15:37:40 * Chani pokes X-Fade Nov 19 15:37:44 but would like it cleaner that other can install as well :) Nov 19 15:38:45 DawnFoster: ping. Awake already? Nov 19 15:39:18 hey thiago Nov 19 15:39:22 Texrat: heya Nov 19 15:39:33 thiago your hard work coordinating at conf is appreciated Nov 19 15:39:43 * thiago didn't do much Nov 19 15:39:47 bullshit Nov 19 15:39:55 :P Nov 19 15:40:06 well, not much compared to the real organising committee Nov 19 15:40:08 amy especially Nov 19 15:40:17 she has also been thanked ;) Nov 19 15:40:43 well no matter where in the stadium i was, looking around always there was a thiago ... Nov 19 15:40:45 ah, this sounds cool: http://blog.neteril.org/2010/11/19/turning-your-meego-lenovo-s10-3t-into-a-real-slate/ Nov 19 15:40:53 he probably invented cloning and didn't tell :p Nov 19 15:40:55 I can't give her a trip to hawaii, so I gave her chocolate Nov 19 15:40:58 lol notmart Nov 19 15:41:09 notmart: so the smoke and mirrors trick worked? Nov 19 15:41:26 could be, yeah Nov 19 15:41:59 thiago: you might know.. does applications benefit from NEON on their own? i guess if base system is optimized for neon (incl qt), does apps need to be? Nov 19 15:42:05 hey thiago at next conference I want to have a song and video for lightning talk Nov 19 15:42:10 so be prepared :D Nov 19 15:42:17 Stskeeps: yes, if the compiler is good Nov 19 15:42:31 some floating point operations are faster with Neon rather than VFP Nov 19 15:42:39 like loading from memory Nov 19 15:42:57 Just saw the netbook giveaway nice. - enjoying yours Texrat ? Nov 19 15:42:57 also, if the compiler vectoriser is good, it'll use Neon too in loops Nov 19 15:43:18 yes pupnik! would have been nice if you had made it to conference :( Nov 19 15:43:25 Stskeeps: weren't we supposed to have a talk on Wednesday on hardfp during lunch? Nov 19 15:43:44 thiago: yes, but it collided with nokians getting a laptop and we couldn't find you when we did end up meeting :P Nov 19 15:44:07 I was there in the Atrium at lunch Nov 19 15:44:20 but yeah, then around 1 the nokians got netbooks Nov 19 15:44:22 yeah - we were standing there but the other people needed weren't around Nov 19 15:44:26 * thiago was #20 or so Nov 19 15:44:26 pupnik_ I am using the netbook now Nov 19 15:45:01 then I decided to stay to brief a colleague in the validation round we're doing, then prepare the lightning round of the afternoon Nov 19 15:45:05 thiago, Stskeeps, I was amazed how many of my friends said they didn't know about my BoF... only lcuk showed Nov 19 15:45:18 I could have sworn I got word out Nov 19 15:46:13 Texrat, there were so many sessions I missed, it was easy to get sidetracked into another room and carried away with the discussion Nov 19 15:46:19 A nice sketch app (not a ms-paint) would be nice to ship with meego Nov 19 15:46:27 :) pupnik_ Nov 19 15:46:47 understood lcuk, but I'm talking about people saying they did not know at all... found that surprising Nov 19 15:46:53 Isn't odd that the meego toolbar" Nov 19 15:47:00 especially when info is on conference handouts... Nov 19 15:47:14 agreed pupnik_ Nov 19 15:47:15 sorry... isn't odd that the meego toolbar is gtk? Nov 19 15:47:38 pupnik_ I want Inkscape but it looks unlikely on MeeGo... at least for some time Nov 19 15:47:54 it is fcrochik? Nov 19 15:48:14 Texrat: as far as I can tell it is... the "ui" file is a gtk file...not qt Nov 19 15:48:26 odd fcrochik Nov 19 15:48:36 I still require linkage between n900 and netbook, stylus operations are essential :) Nov 19 15:48:45 fcrochik you are digging deep I see :D Nov 19 15:48:47 thiago: so, the discussion is currently that in hardfp, we'd say float-abi=hard, arch=armv7-a, fpu=vfpv3-d16. however. we will also be providing a subarch definition that enables NEON ('armv7hln'). packages that take benefit from it in meego.com Trunk will be automatically built into neon as well. in addition to that, compliance would allow vendors to do all-neon builds if they so wanted. on apps side, we'd have vfpv3-d16 as baseline ... Nov 19 15:48:54 ... (and scanning for NEON usage), but enabling ability to provide the sub-arch neon packages. Nov 19 15:48:59 thiago: we haven't reached a conclusion, but this is how it looks like atm Nov 19 15:49:05 the netbook size is perfect for tagging grouping and rating stuff with big finger actions Nov 19 15:49:14 fcrochik: meego netbook came from moblin, which involved gtk/clutter Nov 19 15:49:23 Stskeeps: ok Nov 19 15:49:27 lcuk next you need to make it where N900 can be a digitizing tablet ;) Nov 19 15:49:28 Texrat: that is what happens when you are locked on a 40x40 inches seat w/o internet Nov 19 15:49:30 Stskeeps: all-neon would be preferred... Nov 19 15:49:40 there has been handwavey "it might be replaced in the future" stuff coming up on list when it was discussed Nov 19 15:49:41 lol fcrochik Nov 19 15:49:46 thiago: well, this is what people would be able to build (and at same time be compliant) Nov 19 15:49:55 we might see a similar situation in the future on intel side, so Nov 19 15:50:38 Stskeeps: though the sub-arch option makes a lot of sense Nov 19 15:51:24 anybody knows how to get access to the garage? I would like to port some of my applications from the n900 to the meego to start to understand what is going on.... Nov 19 15:51:28 so it can potentially pick up neon packages if the local system supports it, yeah Nov 19 15:51:55 notmart: do you mind if I quote you in my blog? Nov 19 15:52:31 I assume I need an OBS account and don't know how to get one.... Nov 19 15:52:31 thiago: lol, go ahead :D Nov 19 15:52:38 morning DawnFoster Nov 19 15:52:48 morning Stskeeps Nov 19 15:53:13 was great actually seeing all of you IRL this week! Nov 19 15:53:23 and good to see you and the rest of the intel crowd too :) Nov 19 15:53:44 DawnFoster: I need a link that describes Werewolf :-) Nov 19 15:54:13 thiago: here's a start - http://www.portlandwerewolf.com/rules Nov 19 15:54:22 thanks Nov 19 15:54:25 and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Werewolf Nov 19 15:55:01 thiago: so any objections against that baseline? this way we can basically get all ARM vendors along as well as not sacrificing our ability to speed a majority of things up (basesystem, apps if needed) Nov 19 15:55:44 * thiago adds the link Nov 19 15:55:51 hey lardman Nov 19 15:56:02 helloo DawnFoster Nov 19 15:56:27 hey who has managed to connect to a printer with the Ideapad yet? just curious Nov 19 15:56:46 hey Texrat - was great seeing you this week! Nov 19 15:56:57 thanks and likewise DawnFoster Nov 19 15:57:03 appreciate all your hard work Nov 19 15:57:31 Texrat: thanks! I hope your trip home was easier than the trip to Dublin? Nov 19 15:58:02 hi everybody Nov 19 15:58:07 DawnFoster trip was easier but exhausting. and I did not know there was |US customs at Dublin airport! almost made me late for flight Nov 19 15:58:14 hey sivang! Nov 19 15:58:23 Texrat: hey! Nov 19 15:58:52 Texrat: I know - same here. And the customs in Dublin was slooooow Nov 19 15:59:04 I am not putting Chromium through web tab stress test. 9 pages open and still flying :D Nov 19 15:59:11 DawnFoster: that's because they don't want you to leave Nov 19 15:59:25 oops, I am NOW putting... Nov 19 15:59:40 CosmoHill: well, it was US Customs, so maybe they didn't want me *back* ;) Nov 19 15:59:46 :o Nov 19 15:59:53 hey DawnFoster , had more werewolfs games since? :) Nov 19 16:00:05 DawnFoster that was first time I have seen the US customs operations on foreign soil Nov 19 16:00:25 thiago: thanks for the stickers , really nice ot have them and have people asking "what? how? me wants!" :-) Nov 19 16:00:28 sivang: ha! not yet. I'm feeling werewolf withdrawal :) Nov 19 16:00:34 DawnFoster: hehe Nov 19 16:00:43 DawnFoster, it sure was nice in Dublin, very warm feelings from all around :) Nov 19 16:00:45 sivang: the small one? Nov 19 16:00:53 speaking of stickers, I need to take a photo of my newly blinged lenovo Nov 19 16:00:55 thiago: the qt and the i go meego, both Nov 19 16:01:04 lcuk, you talking about airport security? Nov 19 16:01:06 sivang: right, the small one we didn't give to many people Nov 19 16:01:06 thiago: then I get to explain meego is the os, and qt is the framework Nov 19 16:01:10 lcuk: it really was - I had a fantastic time, and can't wait for the next one! Nov 19 16:01:13 sivang: I only had that sheet Nov 19 16:01:22 sivang: we used them in our badges Nov 19 16:01:26 thiago: oh! I feel special :) thanks again Nov 19 16:01:29 thiago: I see. Nov 19 16:01:34 oh bugger, I forgot to ask about getting that AMD Nov 19 16:01:41 we had loads of the bigger ones Nov 19 16:01:41 lol... forgot I am now using Epson printer... went to HP.com to check on drivers Nov 19 16:01:58 thiago: small is elegant ;) Nov 19 16:02:43 arg!!!! no linux drivers for my printer!!! :( Nov 19 16:03:19 try google Nov 19 16:03:22 to invoke an infamous maemo.org meme: I should have done my research Nov 19 16:03:29 hi Texrat Nov 19 16:03:37 * thiago looks at the meego wiki and sees two conferences in the "annual MeeGo conference" list Nov 19 16:03:43 twice a year is not annual :-) Nov 19 16:04:54 thiago: details, details :) Nov 19 16:05:14 what's the adjective for twice a year? Nov 19 16:05:20 ah kallam the Epson drivers are provided by a third party: http://avasys.jp/eng/linux_driver/download/lsb/epson-inkjet/escp/ Nov 19 16:05:30 "bi-annual" is every two years, IIUC Nov 19 16:05:34 lol thiago Nov 19 16:06:12 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semestral <--- is this word used? Nov 19 16:06:29 um. Nov 19 16:06:45 how do I add repos to meego? Nov 19 16:07:14 is this the channel to ask how to enable wifi again to the netbook? (1.1 build 110 or something) Nov 19 16:07:21 the add/remove software UI only seems to let me enable/disable the official ones - core, adobe, etc. there'a no community stuff Nov 19 16:07:22 e.g. the image we got on the sticks Nov 19 16:07:26 thiago here you go: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biannual Nov 19 16:07:38 semiannual is best Nov 19 16:07:45 there are going to be 2 conferences a year? Nov 19 16:07:51 yes sivang Nov 19 16:07:56 sivang: yes Nov 19 16:07:57 * sivang calcs remaining vacation days Nov 19 16:08:02 split into marketing/business vs development Nov 19 16:08:06 sivang: and next one in the US Nov 19 16:08:07 ah Nov 19 16:08:19 so the US one is for development? Nov 19 16:08:23 no Nov 19 16:08:27 ok Nov 19 16:08:33 * Stskeeps has already started planning some vacation travel with the wife there after conference Nov 19 16:08:42 we don't do open source developmnent here :D Nov 19 16:08:46 * lardman hopes someone releases some Meego hw which is like the Moto Droid 2 Global, but with European data hw Nov 19 16:09:27 Well, the one in US is slightly more industry focused, but we'll still have lots of developer / community stuff Nov 19 16:09:46 DawnFoster: I see. is there a date already? Nov 19 16:10:02 wow. to add a repo that gets me packages, I have to "install a package".. Nov 19 16:10:03 there is also some kind of MeeGo summit in oulu: http://www.meegosummitoulu.com/ Nov 19 16:10:09 Tentative is May 23-25 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 Nov 19 16:10:20 kallam: why is it so close to the Tampere event? Nov 19 16:10:34 we'll probably do an early bird event, too Nov 19 16:10:40 the weekend before Nov 19 16:10:40 hi Myrtti! Nov 19 16:10:46 Myrtti: what tampere event? Nov 19 16:11:09 So, I've never been to the US. interesting. Nov 19 16:11:09 kallam: good grief... Nov 19 16:11:18 DawnFoster what would be cool is a focus group brainstorm like was run before Maemo Summit, and then later brought into the summit itself Nov 19 16:11:22 it was very cool Nov 19 16:11:25 * thiago hits publish Nov 19 16:11:28 Finland seems to be competing with itself for local summits Nov 19 16:11:32 DawnFoster, :) the collaboration and teambuilding in that space was awesome Nov 19 16:11:35 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/11/19/meego-conference-2010-wrap-up/ Nov 19 16:11:43 Oulu was planned first but not well communicated to the community Nov 19 16:11:53 and Oulu is more business / commercial focused Nov 19 16:12:04 there's also one being planned in Brazil Nov 19 16:12:05 Texrat: this is something we need very much, yes. Presenting designs and feature workflow and getting feedback on the spot. Nov 19 16:12:10 would love to see them a little further apart, but there might not be much overlap Nov 19 16:12:14 DawnFoster: no kidding, I heard about it through a photo I saw in Twitter by accident *from* Dublin Nov 19 16:12:22 well there will be no avoiding conference collisions once MeeGo heats up! Nov 19 16:13:27 Texrat: right, but 2 summits in the same country about a month apart seems a bit odd :) Nov 19 16:13:29 DawnFoster: it also seems like at least one camera guy knew how to get audio on the video recordings, so that's already better than last year ;) Nov 19 16:13:41 hhhah Nov 19 16:13:50 Stskeeps: the company we used for all of that was absolutely fantastic! Nov 19 16:14:00 DawnFoster: next year it would be good to have online slides for the presentations Nov 19 16:14:19 i'm kinda curious why doug's keynote is broken on video.linuxfoundation.org though Nov 19 16:14:19 the audio was a little low in the livestreamed sessions, so they are re-encoding them now to adjust the audio Nov 19 16:14:22 http://w00t.dereferenced.net/p/t/20101119_00120101119-20628-kl33nb-0.jpg tadaaa (I'm aware that it looks a little odd having two Qt stickers, I thought I lost my large ones, so I put a small one on there initially :-)) Nov 19 16:14:28 DawnFoster: we couldn't see any of the slides and had to have the sound up really loud to hear things Nov 19 16:14:30 lardman, yes, if possible to include the slide as available whilst livecast is on Nov 19 16:14:33 and preferably the camera guy listening to irc to hear us shouting that the volume is too low/no image/pan left/etc ;) Nov 19 16:14:59 Stskeeps: abock's video had Led Zeppelin or something in the start .... Nov 19 16:15:00 :) Nov 19 16:15:01 that would need text to speech really Nov 19 16:15:02 i think we were quiet...vocal that day Nov 19 16:15:15 lcuk: well he could always just read it :p Nov 19 16:15:27 a truly remakrable event, indeed. Nov 19 16:15:28 Stskeeps: is Doug's video broken on the conference site or just the LF site? Nov 19 16:15:28 damn, linux printer driver failed to install :( Nov 19 16:15:33 lardman, its impolite to have head down whilst someone is speaking Nov 19 16:15:41 DawnFoster: for the next conference we'll need to add the codeword joke too :-) Nov 19 16:15:42 DawnFoster: let me verify Nov 19 16:15:43 sivang: care to elaborate? Nov 19 16:16:00 oh, and first few minutes are totally silent Nov 19 16:16:04 an earpiece with text to speech from the chan would be good way to keep up tho ;) Nov 19 16:16:10 BTW, presenters are uploading slides here: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule Nov 19 16:16:19 that's also where the videos are going Nov 19 16:16:20 neither lbt or X-Fade seem to be around lately. anyone else i can talk to about an account on the OBS? Nov 19 16:16:20 pupnik_: I can't really. for me, it was like it got better each day Nov 19 16:16:35 hello, #meego Nov 19 16:16:38 pupnik_: e.g. read blog posts etc Nov 19 16:16:44 DawnFoster: ah, not linked on conference side -- just the LF side, guess it was cos of livestreaming troubles ( http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1824 ) Nov 19 16:16:55 http://conference2010.meego.com/session/dive-banshee-meego-netbook-media-player-0 humdidum... Nov 19 16:17:02 or is that the Who? Nov 19 16:17:10 starting about 01:40 in Nov 19 16:17:15 after being totally silent Nov 19 16:17:19 Stskeeps: OK, that explains it - those should be up early next week Nov 19 16:18:04 DawnFoster: ah, makes sense :) Nov 19 16:19:07 pupnik_: for me it wsa a bit too good to really describe in words, or rather it would took too much. But someome made a nice account close to how it went on a blog post I forgot Nov 19 16:19:10 BTW, if you see any issues with individual videos or other stuff on the conference site, we have a section in bugzilla to file those Nov 19 16:20:10 dawnfoster: for next year, can you kick the camera guys or girls, so they show the slides too ? Nov 19 16:20:40 file a bug so we can verify it for version 1.2 ;) Nov 19 16:21:02 pupnik_: In one example, being able to meet with the backup people and see a nice technical talk about the calendar support and API in meego being able to ask in real time and brainstorm was great experience. There should be more and more of that. Nov 19 16:21:44 * sivang searches for a meego-netbook channel Nov 19 16:23:08 sivang: just this channel Nov 19 16:23:43 hey lbt900 Nov 19 16:23:55 hello CosmoHill have a nice day ? Nov 19 16:23:55 luck_laptop: btw thanks for asking lardman's question Nov 19 16:24:17 niala: I've handed in some stuff, spent an hour in someone else's class trying to print Nov 19 16:24:28 CosmoHill: oh, any idea how to re-enable wifi after it has been disabled and the wlan interface is gone? Nov 19 16:24:28 and it's so foggy I can't see the end of my road which is pretty cool Nov 19 16:24:36 CosmoHill: should I try to reinsert the kernel module? Nov 19 16:24:48 have you tried rebooting? Nov 19 16:24:55 hi Cosmo Nov 19 16:25:38 just back in uk Nov 19 16:25:49 lots to do :) Nov 19 16:25:50 sivang: what is you wifi card ? just disable and enable again don't work ? Nov 19 16:26:03 what part of the uk you from? I keep thinking cambridge Nov 19 16:26:27 reading Nov 19 16:26:32 :o Nov 19 16:26:35 yay Nov 19 16:26:50 * CosmoHill supports Reading FC :) Nov 19 16:27:31 who? Nov 19 16:27:31 CosmoHill: and even no the uk team Nov 19 16:27:42 hehe Nov 19 16:28:00 I hope talks submission would be announced as early as possible, as I hope to be giving a talk again about how issues were addressed and things improved, as I'm going to take an active part in helping it after having a very good convo with quim about available channels of communication. Nov 19 16:28:50 ah, Meego conf OST, any chance? Nov 19 16:29:03 we loved the elevator music :) Nov 19 16:29:04 sivang like helping consolidate stuff and direct us all tp it Nov 19 16:29:11 Can anyone help me in building git://gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-compositor.git ? There's no documentation and trying the obvious qmake and make fails (it seems to be missing a directory in the source) Nov 19 16:29:35 read the spec file Nov 19 16:29:44 should say Nov 19 16:29:48 lbt900: yes, also I'm interested in running focus groups for our verticals Nov 19 16:30:15 i have so much to throw at co Nov 19 16:30:19 lbt900: I was able to extract much more feedback from people in a physical setup than just onine Nov 19 16:30:27 yep Nov 19 16:30:59 shame we didn't have more time...but hey, we irc Nov 19 16:31:01 sivang: yeah you can tell if they lie to you, when they start sweating :) Nov 19 16:31:08 berndhs: heh Nov 19 16:31:11 hehe Nov 19 16:31:17 ROTFL Nov 19 16:31:43 anas claims it was just the lights.... Nov 19 16:31:50 I managed to also have quite some convos with Ronan, some interestin stuff there as well Nov 19 16:32:04 yep Nov 19 16:32:18 do we have a todo areea Nov 19 16:32:31 surrounds is a biggy now Nov 19 16:32:52 lbt900: hi, do you have a minute to help me set up an OBS account? Nov 19 16:33:15 ZZZogg Nov 19 16:33:28 lbt900: we should, how could we structure it? wiki? Nov 19 16:34:08 lbt900: surrounds? Nov 19 16:34:46 * sivang searches wiki/ meego.com (I heard about it couldn't really make what exactly this is, a repo, garage, repo off garage?) Nov 19 16:35:10 lbt900: hi, is there some way for us kde people to get a community-obs project that is not in somebodys private namespace? Nov 19 16:37:21 I just added a conference wrap-up section on the wiki http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010#Conference_Wrap-up Nov 19 16:37:29 Mek: you mean like a group space? Nov 19 16:37:30 you should add links to blog posts, pictures, etc. Nov 19 16:37:45 thiago: I added your blog post as an example Nov 19 16:38:07 me as an example? Nov 19 16:38:08 thp: I used your Flickr set as an example, too :) Nov 19 16:38:46 CosmoHill: well, right now we're using a home:something:kde project, but 'official' kde packages would make more sense to not be namespaced like that Nov 19 16:39:43 thiago: BTW, why dislike for Harmattan? Nov 19 16:39:50 RST38h: no dislike Nov 19 16:39:51 Any specific reason? Nov 19 16:39:56 RST38h: that's not what I meant Nov 19 16:40:01 hmm... /me edits the post Nov 19 16:40:21 Mghm Nov 19 16:41:02 thanks DawnFoster for wrap-up Nov 19 16:41:23 RST38h: chagned to "though the Harmattan wind doesn’t help airplanes — not yet anyway" Nov 19 16:41:26 Texrat: thanks, now we just need to get people to add to it :) Nov 19 16:41:36 I will Nov 19 16:41:48 thiago: Got even more cryptic this way =) Nov 19 16:41:55 have a cold now that makes my head cloudy, once coffee kicks in I'll get to work Nov 19 16:41:58 at least it's not negative Nov 19 16:43:00 foreshadowing? maybe Nov 19 16:43:56 lol... 12 web tabs open on MeeGo Chromium and no performance hit. Windows XP + IE7 can't say that Nov 19 16:44:58 * thiago updates again for grammar mistakes Nov 19 16:45:19 Texrat, I'm nuking it for Ubuntu tonight. Nov 19 16:45:30 Too much like a toy for my taste. Nov 19 16:45:45 GAN900, provide feedback instead :P Nov 19 16:45:51 * thiago will install the Plasma Netbook shell Nov 19 16:46:07 I already have Ubuntu for laptop so this is the chance to stress test MeeGo Nov 19 16:46:30 I'm gonna make this my main platform, now that the hardware support vmx :) Nov 19 16:46:41 there you go sivang Nov 19 16:46:47 I get to finally run the QEMU chroot for proper testing and platform experiments Nov 19 16:47:02 Texrat: sister already took the LG ULV Nov 19 16:47:24 Texrat: which I won't be missing since it has the worst keyboard/touchpad and misses keystrokes due to having rather aggresive cpu scheduling Nov 19 16:48:07 sivang yeah that sounds like the HP laptop I use for work. Damn thing refuses inout every so often to do some background crap Nov 19 16:48:17 input* Nov 19 16:48:49 Texrat: exactly. those are pentiums. Never had this problem wtih the Atoms Nov 19 16:48:57 Texrat, yeah, the issues are a bit too fundamental for that. Nov 19 16:49:13 so... where are the first-person shooters for MeeGo? :D Nov 19 16:49:23 I am ready to game! Nov 19 16:49:45 Texrat: urban terror works Nov 19 16:49:54 cool niala thanks Nov 19 16:50:45 wolfenstein 3d to ... old game Nov 19 16:51:04 niala: dislable / enable does not work, since interface is not found Nov 19 16:51:10 niala I am looking for a a Halo equivalent :D Nov 19 16:51:10 CosmoHill: rebooted several times already, no go. Nov 19 16:51:16 man I love that game on the PC Nov 19 16:51:37 Texrat: do a meego-kill-team Nov 19 16:52:37 CosmoHill, niala a: any other ideas? Nov 19 16:52:43 sivang: Your card has already worked ? Nov 19 16:52:47 niala: yes Nov 19 16:52:59 maybe disable in bios ? Nov 19 16:53:02 you can try "lsmod" to see what modules are there? Nov 19 16:53:07 true Nov 19 16:53:11 let me do that Nov 19 16:53:18 niala: I did not touch the bios, Nov 19 16:53:30 niala: what I fear now, a hardware breakage now that I can thinkg of it Nov 19 16:53:32 hack I would like to see: live clock on Chromium top bar Nov 19 16:53:36 you could also try another livecd to make sure it's not hardware failure Nov 19 16:53:40 (too much security at airports, packes back pack) Nov 19 16:53:51 CosmoHill: yes, this just crossed my mind. Nov 19 16:54:03 CosmoHill: Although I'd expect lenovo to be strong Nov 19 16:54:09 CosmoHill: although this is no T43 Nov 19 16:54:16 stuff happens Nov 19 16:56:06 The hinge worries me. Nov 19 16:57:05 I also added a page in the wiki where people can post feedback about the conference: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Feedback Nov 19 16:58:09 wow, you can get DDR3 ram for a socket 755 intel? Nov 19 16:59:05 DawnFoster: I am crying when I see all the lenovopad :) Nov 19 16:59:19 niala: you didn't get one? Nov 19 17:00:01 mortenmj: 'm not going to the conference Nov 19 17:00:08 ah Nov 19 17:00:32 DawnFoster: will the conference in oulu have the same general format as the one we just had? Nov 19 17:00:56 the Oulu summit is organized by a local group in Oulu Nov 19 17:01:13 it isn't organized by the same people and will certainly be very different Nov 19 17:01:20 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/11/coica-web-censorship-bill/ [ Web Censorship Bill Sails Through Senate Committee | Epicenter-| Wired.com ] Nov 19 17:01:36 * w00t forsees some confusion of a "meego summit" not organised by meego Nov 19 17:01:43 Keep in mind that anyone can organize a local summit for their region Nov 19 17:01:51 i thought it would be the same thing, and i've seen news articles to that effect as well Nov 19 17:02:01 w00t: None of the MeeGo Summits will be official events Nov 19 17:02:09 all are unofficial local events Nov 19 17:02:39 oh, wait. the news article i read refers to a conference in san francisco in may Nov 19 17:02:59 w00t, we could try Smeegol Summit? *eg* Nov 19 17:03:09 DawnFoster: I'm not sure it is clear for everybody. I know it wasn't when I saw the booth this week ;) Nov 19 17:03:10 mortenmj: oh good - that's correct. The next MeeGo Conference is in SF in May Nov 19 17:03:13 GAN900: haha... ;) Nov 19 17:03:47 DawnFoster: you seem to always place these within weeks of exam season. care to push it back by about a month? Nov 19 17:04:21 mortenmj: they coincide nearby with release dates Nov 19 17:04:23 mortenmj: unfortunately, we're slaves to our release schedule (end of Oct / end of April) Nov 19 17:04:50 w00t: i didn't actually expect anyone to change the date, but if you'd care to move the release dates about a month back as well that would be swell! Nov 19 17:05:28 i can probably attend. just have to start reading a few days earlier, to compensate Nov 19 17:08:41 GAN900 I just worry about my USB connectors... :O Nov 19 17:09:12 DawnFoster: how does it feel to be done with the conference? are you slightly less stressed out now? Nov 19 17:09:36 mortenmj: feel good to be done - now just swamped with wrap-up stuff :) Nov 19 17:09:56 I'm working today and then taking the rest of the month off for the US Thanksgiving holiday Nov 19 17:10:11 so I have about a month work of work to cram into today :) Nov 19 17:10:14 no pressure Nov 19 17:10:45 yeah, no big Nov 19 17:11:41 I am looking for a good sling-style pack that will work with Ideapad, suggestions welcomed Nov 19 17:12:09 Texrat, camera or no? Nov 19 17:12:22 GAN900 ? Nov 19 17:12:23 Lowepro has one for dslrs and laptops. Nov 19 17:12:46 But dunno for just laptops. Nov 19 17:12:52 Maybe Case Logic. Nov 19 17:13:12 GAN900 I've seen a few of those... eipi has one that also has cell phone pocket on strap-- I like that, but not sure if Ideapad fits in Nov 19 17:14:01 GAN900 it would be nice if I could bring Ideapad into stores and test out packs Nov 19 17:14:09 I may make a mockup Nov 19 17:14:54 evening tex :) Nov 19 17:14:59 liked rev's present :) Nov 19 17:15:55 hey NooBmonk3y Nov 19 17:16:00 hey Cos :) Nov 19 17:16:05 evening alls :) Nov 19 17:16:14 ah, the coffee mug? lol Nov 19 17:16:19 yeah was brilliant :) Nov 19 17:16:20 leinir and timoph got them too Nov 19 17:16:24 awww cool! Nov 19 17:16:27 lovely idea :) Nov 19 17:16:29 I tend to hand those out a lot at events Nov 19 17:16:33 hehehe! Nov 19 17:16:39 given away about 15 by now Nov 19 17:16:54 cool! :) - Texrat - remembered all over the world ;) Nov 19 17:17:06 although who the hell wants to be an honorary TEXAN these days??? Nov 19 17:17:21 Texrat, the irish at the mo? looking at their finances ;) Nov 19 17:17:24 state is regtreating to dark ages Nov 19 17:17:35 retreating* Nov 19 17:17:56 did you have a good time at the meego conf? :) Nov 19 17:18:07 absolutely! Nov 19 17:18:35 theres a marked difference in display brightness characteristics between different lenovo models. the s10-3t is very bright and crisp and the colors seem balanced. Nov 19 17:18:45 no chance i can make the sisco one next year, but gonna see if i can get to finland :) Nov 19 17:19:17 wohoooooooooo! Nov 19 17:19:19 evening lcuk Nov 19 17:19:41 hey NooBmonk3y \o Nov 19 17:19:47 lcuk, did you bring the irish luck with you tonight? Nov 19 17:20:01 Maecount, finally packaged, in extras-devel and working! Nov 19 17:20:25 NooBmonk3y, I had the luck when I arrived Nov 19 17:20:34 lol ;) Nov 19 17:20:41 I had to change it back to lcuk though :P Nov 19 17:21:26 Texrat, my Slingback 202 fits my Mini 9 but not the Lenovo. Nov 19 17:21:35 timeless_mbp, you are right about the formatting of the badges. it would be useful when registering for other events to have a clearer idea of the format Nov 19 17:21:37 GAN900 bummer Nov 19 17:21:55 lol Nov 19 17:22:12 so who has ordered Ideapad power connectors to replace UK one? Nov 19 17:22:36 Texrat, the plug adapter with the triple tunnel connector? Nov 19 17:22:43 * fcrozat exchanged his with one spare from IT department, since most people have thinkpad here :) Nov 19 17:22:50 yes lcuk Nov 19 17:23:09 Texrat: you can probably find some at dealextreme.com Nov 19 17:23:30 anyone considering to buy a 3g modem to put inside it? Nov 19 17:23:32 I found the whole thing cheap at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-NetBook-Adapter-IdeaPad-NoteBook/dp/B002MA8S5K Nov 19 17:24:44 * fcrozat wonders if a crystal hd card would fit Nov 19 17:25:37 although I don't like that it connects to Ideapad straight in... right angle connector is much better Nov 19 17:25:53 there's a empty mini pci-e slot inside Nov 19 17:25:56 so it should Nov 19 17:26:07 there's a sim slot, how does that interface with an eventual modem? Nov 19 17:26:27 my understanding is "automatically" if you actually have a modem Nov 19 17:26:32 in the pci-e slot Nov 19 17:26:43 interesting Nov 19 17:26:44 it has the sim reader, it just needs the card to controle it Nov 19 17:27:24 those that are approved and doesnt require you to hack your bios cost from 60 euros and up as far as I have seen Nov 19 17:27:54 http://bit.ly/cMdpPn Nov 19 17:28:01 I was thinki about something like that Nov 19 17:28:02 adeus: good to know, I didn't check about pci-e Nov 19 17:28:30 here's a 2-prong charger for US use cheap at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s10-42312au-s10-42312cu-s10-42312du-s10-423132u-s10-423135u/dp/B003U8HXDG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1290187236&sr=1-1 Nov 19 17:28:51 has one availeable pci slot Nov 19 17:29:17 opened mine last night to check up on it Nov 19 17:29:33 has 2 pci slots, one has the wlan/BT card, and one is empty Nov 19 17:29:53 ha! was 2 of those chargers left, but I just snagged one Nov 19 17:30:04 chargers? Nov 19 17:30:11 for Ideapad Nov 19 17:30:19 dont you have one that came with it? Nov 19 17:30:22 oh my god, people patched bios to be able to support crystalhd card Nov 19 17:30:31 yes, with UK plug Nov 19 17:30:48 you just need a differrent CABLE from the charger to the wall Nov 19 17:30:49 I needed US, and this charger was cheap so now I have a spare Nov 19 17:30:57 understood zinit Nov 19 17:31:11 isnt it cheaper to buy a cable than a charger? Nov 19 17:31:19 but again, now I have a backup and cost was low Nov 19 17:31:23 hehe Nov 19 17:31:28 $8 is cheap Nov 19 17:31:31 true Nov 19 17:31:48 the cable alone would probablt be around 5-6 Nov 19 17:31:56 right Nov 19 17:32:14 and these are small power adapaters, very likely to wear out quickly Nov 19 17:32:17 they get hot Nov 19 17:32:26 adapters* Nov 19 17:32:31 have to get one or an adapter before the holiday.. going to italy for christmas Nov 19 17:32:53 I am using a universal adapter for now, works well enough Nov 19 17:32:57 true Nov 19 17:33:06 these machines doesnt use much power Nov 19 17:33:07 but damn fuses blow so easy Nov 19 17:33:14 in ireland? Nov 19 17:33:20 or the fuses in the charger? Nov 19 17:33:29 in universal adapter Nov 19 17:33:38 probably made in ireland..... Nov 19 17:33:40 bad adapter Nov 19 17:33:50 nah, China I think Nov 19 17:33:57 here the fuses for the buildings blow when you just look at them.. Nov 19 17:33:59 I've had this adapter for a long time Nov 19 17:34:11 anyways, your stock US laptop power adapter will happily work in europe with a 50-cent converter Nov 19 17:34:23 this thing not designed to handle much amperage Nov 19 17:34:30 true RST38h Nov 19 17:34:31 russian, american, european, all made in taiwan Nov 19 17:34:48 RatShack sells two different adapter - one for <60Wt, another for 60-300Wt Nov 19 17:35:05 seem to remember that quote from armageddon or one of those movies:P Nov 19 17:35:09 If you really need a dedicated voltage converter you can get one of these (both are flimsy though) Nov 19 17:35:39 I hyave 2 universal adapaters, brought both, and one would not fit in Irish sockets Nov 19 17:35:43 have* Nov 19 17:35:45 think these chargers are 100-240V so a converter shouldnt be needed Nov 19 17:35:57 right zinit, for most cases Nov 19 17:36:02 yepp Nov 19 17:36:34 (besides some mobile chargers ofc. that shows 100-240 and when you plug them into 110 they go boom Nov 19 17:36:43 (or vice-versa Nov 19 17:36:47 new universal adapters now include usb also...handy Nov 19 17:36:52 nice:) Nov 19 17:37:01 vice versa normally Nov 19 17:37:12 especially good when it's a manual switch which hasn't been switched Nov 19 17:37:18 lcuk, I just assumed somebody who knew would be printing the badges. Nov 19 17:37:25 failure always happens at most expensive part :D Nov 19 17:37:25 zinit: never happened to me andI do it all the time Nov 19 17:37:27 true... had a charger I bought in mexico, it exploded when I plugged it in here Nov 19 17:37:41 the manual switch is common ' Nov 19 17:37:42 zinit: you in the USA? Nov 19 17:37:46 no Nov 19 17:37:48 a laptop will fail so that the fuse survives Nov 19 17:38:01 I live in dublin Nov 19 17:38:31 we're blessed by higher voltages in this our of the world Nov 19 17:38:35 oops Nov 19 17:38:39 used to live in mexico some 3 years ago Nov 19 17:38:40 this part even Nov 19 17:38:41 cripes I need to light my furnace, Texas is finally getting cold Nov 19 17:38:59 dublin is freezing and wet Nov 19 17:38:59 has anyone figured out click and drag on these things ? Nov 19 17:39:14 same as any touchpad Nov 19 17:39:21 put your finger on it and pull Nov 19 17:39:49 slaine, just use the screen itself ;) Nov 19 17:40:01 works with the screen and touchpad Nov 19 17:40:07 can't get the touchpad to do it Nov 19 17:40:22 * lardman is just feeling jealous now Nov 19 17:40:24 :) Nov 19 17:40:26 tap twice, the 2nd time, hold down and pull Nov 19 17:40:36 first to grab, 2nd to move:P Nov 19 17:40:50 the touchpad is sensitive, so takes some practice Nov 19 17:40:54 furnace on! bring on the heat! Nov 19 17:40:57 hehe Nov 19 17:40:58 Texrat, feels downright hot here by comparison. Nov 19 17:41:01 zinit: a cool, thanks Nov 19 17:41:14 * RST38h opens balcony door Nov 19 17:41:17 GAN900 I did not ask for a Florida weather report!!!!! Nov 19 17:41:23 time to finish with the dinner... Nov 19 17:41:28 too warm here, and stuffy Nov 19 17:41:32 RST38h: dude put some pants on Nov 19 17:41:46 lol CosmoHill Nov 19 17:41:49 Texrat, mid 70s. Nov 19 17:41:57 GAN900 hush Nov 19 17:42:49 yes we have hot air! Nov 19 17:42:51 Yay, fixed the Qt font setup Nov 19 17:42:58 and I don't mean this chat Nov 19 17:43:16 Just needed the old .font.conf trick Nov 19 17:44:38 so MeeGo has a font bug (capital letter O same as zero)... I hear it uses Droid font, true? Nov 19 17:44:51 bug would then be filed against Android, yes? Nov 19 17:44:59 Yes, Google droid is the default font Nov 19 17:45:08 ok Nov 19 17:45:31 I am amazed that bug persists Nov 19 17:45:38 fundamental stuff Nov 19 17:45:59 They are different, but it's so subtle it's effectively the same font Nov 19 17:46:08 or glyph I should say Nov 19 17:46:14 if there's a difference my old eyes can't see it Nov 19 17:46:24 need stronger distinction Nov 19 17:46:24 It is fixable by not using Droid fonts, right? Nov 19 17:46:28 lol Nov 19 17:46:36 yes but default should not be buggy Nov 19 17:46:37 RST38h: yeah Nov 19 17:46:57 still needs to be reported, so i will Nov 19 17:47:01 Android is competition Nov 19 17:47:06 * lcuk likes Nokia sans - I wonder how it would look Nov 19 17:47:17 or Liberation font Nov 19 17:47:20 lcuk: I wondered that myself Nov 19 17:47:22 So, using their fonts is both ironic and legally dangerous Nov 19 17:48:26 whats the typeface used for the meego logo? Nov 19 17:48:48 Google Droid fonts have an ASL 2.0 license, so there shouldn't be an issue Nov 19 17:49:17 slaine: who knows what google may do in the future Nov 19 17:49:22 true Nov 19 17:49:41 lcuk it's a DIN font and more irony, NOT open source Nov 19 17:49:41 Liberation fonts are in the repo's if you prefer to use those for the O0 distinction Nov 19 17:49:52 thanks slaine Nov 19 17:50:12 Oh, time to commute Nov 19 17:50:15 DIN 1451 I think Nov 19 17:50:25 Catch you over the weekend I'm sure Nov 19 17:50:30 and not good for LCD typeface Nov 19 17:51:50 ok, so how would the fontface be modified on device to try Nokia Sans as the default? Nov 19 17:52:04 well, Liberation font not in default repos... wonder where Nov 19 17:57:21 "The slashed zero long predates computers, and has been known to have been used in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries" Nov 19 18:11:25 hrma Nov 19 18:11:30 meego sdk doesn't include qt quick examples? Nov 19 18:15:43 anybody have the git-fu needed to rename a remote master branch in git? Nov 19 18:17:58 nevermind, force push (heh) seemed to do the trick Nov 19 18:19:35 Stskeeps: sorry to bother you directly but I am pretty sure that you at least know the answer: can I get an account to access the OBS? I would like to contribute some ports of my n900 apps... Nov 19 18:20:26 fcrochik I am sure David Greaves said anyone could get an account Nov 19 18:20:45 Texrat: the trick question is HOW? Nov 19 18:21:22 I saw someone else asking the same question before but haven't seen an answer yet Nov 19 18:21:41 signup on meego.com and your account should work at https://build.pub.meego.com/ Nov 19 18:21:44 fcrochik ah, my bad. He answered that at the conference but I don't recall details. Is it absent from OBS wiki? Nov 19 18:22:33 fcrochik, Texrat odin_ - lbt said him or X-Fade Nov 19 18:22:40 to get a community account for now Nov 19 18:22:53 thanks lcuk Nov 19 18:23:22 it needs an enabling flag setting on the obs side, your meego account details are used for the login and it has SSO Nov 19 18:23:26 ok sorry I was not at that talk :P and not had time to digest all videos, but the intention is as above (soon) Nov 19 18:23:46 right odin_, and no problem Nov 19 18:25:01 did all the maemo/meego accounts get transfered ? (i.e. the test OBS accounts on the maemo boxes) Nov 19 18:25:26 odin_: think it's a clean slate Nov 19 18:26:33 would a MeeGo Ovi Suite be needed to enable N900 modem tether, or is there an easier solution? Nov 19 18:27:06 Texrat: i thought there was a usb AT-command modem exposed over usb automatically Nov 19 18:27:10 provided you don't run meego on n900 ;) Nov 19 18:28:06 lol Stskeeps... not yet. I'll look into the modem enabling Nov 19 18:28:06 fcrochik: lbt and x-fade are moderating, though i think they could need a third guy Nov 19 18:28:38 Ststkeeps, fcrochik it would be nice to have someone on this side of the earth ;) Nov 19 18:28:50 and Asia Nov 19 18:30:23 i kinda understand them, looks like there's only 3 workers.. Nov 19 18:30:53 Texrat, user solt in meego forums has a saneish beard on his meegon, mine looks odd in comparison Nov 19 18:31:06 looking at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/list_public I can't see many (user) applications.... Nov 19 18:31:28 lcuk I didn't do your meegon :P Nov 19 18:31:35 i know Nov 19 18:31:37 what I'd love is a Application Bounty programme Nov 19 18:31:51 or an official place to file application ideas Nov 19 18:32:09 would be nice to tag on all the people that got netbooks and make them more usefull with some more packages Nov 19 18:32:12 other than whining in a personal blog or IRC Nov 19 18:32:35 Myrtti we LIKE whining on IRC :P Nov 19 18:33:12 seriously Myrtti I will probably start a MeeGo wiki page for that Nov 19 18:33:21 Texrat: I've whined about knitting programmes for Maemo for years on IRC, and just now is someone doing something like that Nov 19 18:33:30 right now we are brainstorming ;) Nov 19 18:34:13 fcrochik: the fun would be home: repos usually Nov 19 18:34:16 Texrat: too bad your son busted the N1, could've given you an example of something I'm looking for Nov 19 18:34:32 Myrtti the N1 still works Nov 19 18:34:39 just cracked screen Nov 19 18:34:40 Myrtti, NooBmonk3y is a good guy Nov 19 18:35:44 ok my plan is to create an app request/status wiki page... Nov 19 18:35:48 I might have a justification in getting an Android tablet just to be able to run LittleKnitter on a tad bigger screen than on my phone Nov 19 18:36:09 *might* Nov 19 18:36:28 I see these fields: existing app (porting), description, champion, project link(s), notes... anything else? Nov 19 18:37:00 also will need sections for app, drivers, etc Nov 19 18:37:45 Texrat: perhaps a RfaA with a template and instructions on how to make subpages using the template Nov 19 18:38:05 sorry Myrtti you lost me Nov 19 18:38:38 Texrat: Request for an Application, with a list of requests and a template for creating a new one as a subpage Nov 19 18:39:23 ah ok myrtti Nov 19 18:39:37 I'd really love a spot for screenmockups Nov 19 18:39:50 that would be a good link for MeeGo Gretters to add Nov 19 18:39:58 Greeters* Nov 19 18:40:14 Texrat: did you see the other day I found a stencil for Android app mockup development Nov 19 18:40:19 no Nov 19 18:40:44 Texrat: http://www.uistencils.com/products/android-stencil-kit Nov 19 18:40:52 thanks Nov 19 18:41:19 it's pre 2.1 but looks brilliant, I'm trying to forget ever seeing it so I wouldn't buy it Nov 19 18:41:26 lol Nov 19 18:42:00 you know I was wondering how useful I would find a netbook and this Lenovo has me pleasantly surprised Nov 19 18:42:29 and MeeGo more mature than some claim ;) Nov 19 18:42:43 works well for "vaporware" Nov 19 18:45:33 please tell me that nobody has yet ported Xournal with sane GUI to MeeGo Nov 19 18:47:05 * NooBmonk3y blinks Nov 19 18:47:07 what did i miss? Nov 19 18:48:06 and lol ty lcuk Nov 19 18:48:38 Myrtti, you talking about maecount? :P lol Nov 19 18:48:53 only reason that appeared is because it was 30ish lines of code and rev'd kathy asked :P Nov 19 18:49:55 Texrat: I was wrong... you don't even need to download the qt creator package, you can just install it using "sudo zypper install qt-creator" Nov 19 18:50:29 Texrat: you probably will want to install some other packages too (like docs)... let me know if you decide to cross the bridge to the dark side :) Nov 19 18:50:32 well it is something it it's form that I have requested and begged for years for Maemo... combined with sane xournal it would be brilliant... but alas I have no N900 and I'm not getting on either unless a miracle strikes Nov 19 18:50:47 awwww :( Nov 19 18:51:19 not sure maecount will go any further as i want to get back to healthcheck for now :) - but it's supply and demand i spose :p i've never knitted in my life :P Nov 19 18:51:26 thanks fcrochik! running sys update now after repo add, will test in a minute Nov 19 18:53:15 NooBmonk3y: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3115615183/ Nov 19 18:53:29 and of course http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3571275234/ Nov 19 18:53:43 that's the xournal from... HE2007 prolly Nov 19 18:54:12 awwww the comment on the first picture... *sigh* Nov 19 18:54:52 oh well, it's a lost cause for me now Nov 19 18:56:54 can I get an account on the community OBS, assuming it's now somewhat useful for hacking on meego packages? X-Fade? Nov 19 18:57:04 fcrochik I just launched Qt Creator on Ideapad-- THANKS!!! :) Nov 19 18:57:25 Texrat: :) Nov 19 18:57:41 hi timoph! Nov 19 18:57:46 hi Nov 19 18:57:48 it's time to code!!!!! Nov 19 18:57:58 go for it Nov 19 18:57:58 me looks for something easy to port Nov 19 18:58:04 ACTION  Nov 19 18:58:06 Texrat: that means getting off IRC :-D Nov 19 18:58:07 that is Nov 19 18:58:08 * w00t_ ducks Nov 19 18:58:14 fix the screen rotation :) Nov 19 18:58:24 later w00t_ :P Nov 19 18:58:36 eh timoph I will focus on porting existing apps Nov 19 18:58:42 easier to start Nov 19 18:58:50 yep Nov 19 18:59:08 plan to add a meego wiki page for port requests Nov 19 18:59:12 wow Myrtti impressive Nov 19 18:59:42 good idea. In most cases you only need to package existing stuff Nov 19 18:59:44 assuming that software is not portable? Nov 19 19:01:50 NooBmonk3y: what, xournal? sure, has been installable in N900 since the beginning - it just happens to be totally unusable for the knitting pattern use, if I remember my experience running Maemo 5 in scratchbox correctly Nov 19 19:01:52 panic Nov 19 19:02:04 * timoph drinking cola from honorary texan mug (Thanks again Texrat) Nov 19 19:02:27 i meant the knitting thing Nov 19 19:02:30 or is that xournel? Nov 19 19:03:05 NooBmonk3y: that is xournal, I printed the patterns to pdf and viewed them in xournal, which gave the option for pdf annotation in yellow Nov 19 19:03:16 oh cool Nov 19 19:04:10 Hi all, I need help, I'm trying to install meego 1.1 as a vm on my laptop. I get through most of the install, but then it seems to hang or something. The last screen I get is the one where it asks you to create a username and password. Once I click on the forward button, I just get a blank screen. :( Nov 19 19:04:19 Any suggestions/advice? Nov 19 19:07:14 damn, I want to design meegons on the Ideapad! must... have... Inkscape... Nov 19 19:07:44 can anyone actually provide assistance? Nov 19 19:08:19 vicarious-: what laptop specs? Nov 19 19:08:29 vicarious-: as far as i know, VM's aren't well supporttd Nov 19 19:08:34 2.25 GHz Pentium M Nov 19 19:09:15 Sorry, its not actually a Pentium M, it's a Core 2 Duo Nov 19 19:09:39 Texrat: I'll try to build inkscape in the community obs Nov 19 19:09:44 I know VM's are well-supported, just do the best you can ;) Nov 19 19:09:51 oops: arent Nov 19 19:09:53 does the install wizard run in composited (ie 3d requiring mode) or is it a simple ui until the main desktop starts? Nov 19 19:09:58 hopefully I don Nov 19 19:10:11 timoph ++ :D Nov 19 19:10:15 timoph would it be that easy? after reading on it last night people sounded pessimistic Nov 19 19:10:17 't need to package a lot dependencies for it Nov 19 19:10:25 :) Nov 19 19:10:26 lcuk: its not in 3d, it's just basically a text-driven menu Nov 19 19:10:40 this uk keyboard is weird Nov 19 19:10:57 ah timoph maybe I'm just thinking of the conversation about converting Inkscape to Qt Nov 19 19:11:09 oh Nov 19 19:11:11 timoph even lcuk says it's weird :D Nov 19 19:11:12 timoph, its slightly different even for myself as a uk guy :P Nov 19 19:11:19 see Nov 19 19:11:33 :) Nov 19 19:11:38 Texrat: i wouldn't mind a plugin to convert from inkscape to qt qml/quick, just like from photoshop Nov 19 19:11:54 btw timoph thanks once again for helping with BoF! Nov 19 19:12:07 enjoy the mug Nov 19 19:12:09 animated svg to code mm Nov 19 19:12:13 while you're at it, build xournal too to add injury to the insult Nov 19 19:12:19 if it's not already built Nov 19 19:12:26 I planning to set the keyboard to finnish and buy some stickers to mark the keys Nov 19 19:12:39 lol timoph Nov 19 19:12:55 timoph: I did that for my home office keyboard in UK Nov 19 19:13:01 amazon ftw! Nov 19 19:13:19 * lcuk would add a bacon button Nov 19 19:13:24 perhaps the superkey would suffice Nov 19 19:13:28 yay! Nov 19 19:13:32 * NooBmonk3y agrees Nov 19 19:13:52 Stskeeps I found talk of an Inkscape/Gimp/scribus suite interesting Nov 19 19:14:03 but Scribus would need a LOT of work Nov 19 19:14:09 I hate its workflow Nov 19 19:14:40 I would've thought it would need less work as it's already Qt Nov 19 19:14:41 but-- if someone can create such a suite, think of the draw it would have (literally) Nov 19 19:14:45 Good evening all. Nov 19 19:14:46 hey julienf Nov 19 19:14:52 ahh--whooooooo!!! Nov 19 19:15:05 hello all Nov 19 19:15:12 hey Saviq Nov 19 19:15:13 nice turnup Nov 19 19:15:14 hey Texrat :) Nov 19 19:15:28 nice crowd here today Nov 19 19:15:40 help Nov 19 19:15:52 we need a wiki page of issues-to-be-fixed on the ideapad Nov 19 19:15:55 and so many of us on our Ideapads :D Nov 19 19:16:04 anyone has tried to compile IRSSI? Nov 19 19:16:07 Saviq one is created or in the works Nov 19 19:16:17 vicarious-, which set of instructions are you following Nov 19 19:16:17 cool, /me wanna see Nov 19 19:16:27 and have you read everything on the page and got the required chipset etc Nov 19 19:16:29 see this thread Saviq: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1995 Nov 19 19:16:53 julienf: remind me again why would anyone run irssi locally? Nov 19 19:16:55 Texrat: yes indeed :) Love the machine. Already upgraded to 2GB RAM and had a look at the PCIe for 3G modem. Nov 19 19:17:09 re compiling, lbt, X-Fade, I can has OBS account enabled? Nov 19 19:17:09 julienf source for ram? Nov 19 19:17:19 Texrat, thats similar to the page I started on my talk page http://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Lcuk Nov 19 19:17:22 ~seen lbt Nov 19 19:17:26 lbt <~david@if1.bbballco.sites.bitbuzz.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 1h 52m 24s ago, saying: 'I guess you found how messed up the image is by now...'. Nov 19 19:17:37 right lcuk as I replied to you eariler :P Nov 19 19:17:41 earlier* Nov 19 19:18:07 Myrtti: cause my server isn't running properly these days? and I can't just ssh and screen there... :D Nov 19 19:18:08 timoph, lbt flew to london only this afternoon Nov 19 19:18:13 ah Nov 19 19:18:21 I guess he is still decompressing and stretching out after a full week Nov 19 19:18:29 need to bug him about the community obs at some point Nov 19 19:18:31 Texrat: I had 2GB in an eeepc701 so I just swapped the modules and it works Nov 19 19:18:36 I would have liked to stay in Dublin one more day Nov 19 19:18:44 ah ok julienf Nov 19 19:19:01 Texrat: no idea of performance right now, but can see a bit of speed up. Will look into more details when I have more time Nov 19 19:19:18 download / repo link don't work Nov 19 19:19:23 julienf 2g will be useful for graphics and audio work Nov 19 19:19:28 also spreadsheets Nov 19 19:19:39 been there suffered lack of that Nov 19 19:20:06 Texrat: I just wanted to figure out what was below the bottom door so I just unscrewed it and decided to play :) Nov 19 19:20:11 my goal: make this my default device :D Nov 19 19:20:18 might not need it so far but it doesn Nov 19 19:20:19 t Nov 19 19:20:21 hurt.. Nov 19 19:22:50 julienf I am very impressed at performance so fart Nov 19 19:22:53 lol Nov 19 19:22:54 far* Nov 19 19:23:35 am stress-testing MeeGo on Ideapad and it is surpassing Windows XP re web usage ;) Nov 19 19:23:55 meego handset? Nov 19 19:27:14 Texrat: want to see if I can do some dev on it. Nov 19 19:27:59 julienf: you had some talk earlier today? can you share what / where was it? Nov 19 19:28:14 julienf install QT Creator: sudo zypper install qt-creator Nov 19 19:29:02 the virtual keyboard is running there, only problem it's a bit too persistent Nov 19 19:29:14 and overlaps half of the screen Nov 19 19:29:38 s/is running there/can run on netbook/ Nov 19 19:29:39 c'mon, no one's gonna even try to help me? Nov 19 19:29:40 Saviq is it opaque or translucent\/ Nov 19 19:29:46 Texrat: opaque Nov 19 19:29:50 feh Nov 19 19:30:04 vicarious-: when it's a vm check the wiki, but you're really on your own with a unsupported config Nov 19 19:30:06 should have transparency level setting Nov 19 19:30:10 Saviq: was a talk on mobile, its evolution/revolution and what are the opportunities right now for software developers Nov 19 19:30:10 vicarious-: only VM method supported atm is qemu based Nov 19 19:30:30 Saviq: was at a 118tracker.com Nov 19 19:30:31 ok, can you give me a link to the wiki? Nov 19 19:30:59 Texrat: installation in progress but will be stressing the wireless at starbucks... :D Nov 19 19:32:18 Texrat: worked but now need to figure out if I can get the Nokia SDK for Symbian :) Nov 19 19:33:09 vicarious-: try http://wiki.meego.com, btw what VM? Nov 19 19:39:53 hey i installer my meego application in the new 1.1 and the fonts are all messed up... seems to the in bad quality and resolution, when all other applications are still normal... what could it be? i tried to rebuild the package in the new system but its still the same Nov 19 19:40:22 could you screenshot it? Nov 19 19:40:51 hm.. i think so just a sec Nov 19 19:42:45 Stskeeps: imagebin.org/123987 Nov 19 19:43:18 looks like bad antialiasing Nov 19 19:43:37 Stskeeps: yup.. so what could it be Nov 19 19:43:45 try to install qtconfig-qt4 maybe Nov 19 19:43:47 file a bug, eventually Nov 19 19:44:46 Stskeeps: i dont see qtconfig-qt4 in meego repos Nov 19 19:44:58 btw, if you are into "werewolf", we started a page to enhance the game for next conf :) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Werewolf#Possible_Variations Nov 19 19:45:33 julienf, 3 AM werewolf just isn't right. :P Nov 19 19:45:48 GAN900: I Nov 19 19:46:04 GAN900: I've never played like that, was really amazing... Learned so much... Nov 19 19:48:11 When are we gonna have the MeeGo application? ;) Nov 19 19:48:51 the killer app? Nov 19 19:49:28 have you guys been talking with Thomas already?? :D Nov 19 19:49:57 we had a chat at the airport and we came up with a concept for next conference Nov 19 19:50:01 a killer game Nov 19 19:50:07 that we Nov 19 19:50:26 we'd play in real life but using our phones to know our targets and progress through the game Nov 19 19:50:56 goal would be to meet people, discover the venue before hand, engage more with the sessions and have fun :) Nov 19 19:51:12 lcuk: are you on your normal comp? Nov 19 19:51:28 julienf: write the idea up and post it somewhere Nov 19 19:52:22 Texrat: oh, you're that meegon guy? .. i can haz? :) Nov 19 19:54:12 you must do nice things for Texrat :P Nov 19 19:54:55 pupnik: am working on that as we speak :) Nov 19 19:55:14 sure Chani, ask at forum.meego.com, Community Matters Nov 19 19:55:40 yes Chani like pupnik who made sure I could stay in Tampere cheaply :D Nov 19 19:56:04 right, I give up. I remembered BF has gone down to London for a concert with his bro so no video call for me tonight... Nov 19 19:56:07 good night Nov 19 19:57:53 hey julienf! Nov 19 19:58:08 julienf: when you get the page, can you link to it from here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Ideas_for_fun_activities Nov 19 19:58:15 gnight myrtti Nov 19 19:58:32 also, anyone else with ideas for fun stuff to do at the May conference should add it there, too Nov 19 19:59:13 creating qmlmockups, in groups Nov 19 19:59:57 may actually end up as a useful way of letting potentialusers design the ui, then passing it up to developers Nov 19 20:00:45 DawnFoster: update the page, it's already there :) Nov 19 20:01:14 julienf: awesome! I love it when people are already several steps ahead of me :) Nov 19 20:01:18 makes my job easy Nov 19 20:01:32 DawnFoster: am writing the content right now Nov 19 20:09:22 DawnFoster: content updated, more to come Nov 19 20:11:02 DawnFoster, i have to object to the killer/assassin style games where folks are slain in the night Nov 19 20:11:05 :P Nov 19 20:11:22 lcuk: just because we kept killing you off :) Nov 19 20:11:50 i only had one game and managed to last till the final group Nov 19 20:13:30 Assassin's Creed? Nov 19 20:13:47 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Killer Nov 19 20:14:36 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Ideas_for_fun_activities Nov 19 20:15:13 lcuk: we'll leave it up to you to add a game that involves fuzzy kittens or something less violent :) Nov 19 20:15:24 \o/ Nov 19 20:15:40 we could let dawn come up with some kind of bear related one :P Nov 19 20:15:45 |:D Nov 19 20:16:04 nah, revdkathy would have to come up with the bear game :) Nov 19 20:16:43 werebears Nov 19 20:16:53 If you can't assassinate / lynch your friends in good fun, then it isn't really a proper game for conferences :) Nov 19 20:17:04 Stskeeps: oooh, I like that idea Nov 19 20:17:08 DawnFoster, eek of course I meant kathy lol Nov 19 20:17:50 lcuk: I assumed that - I'm not really the cuddly teddy bear type Nov 19 20:17:57 * lcuk is tired Nov 19 20:18:14 I loved that her bear made a cameo in most of her conference photos :) Nov 19 20:18:25 Ha Nov 19 20:18:29 * julienf is having a hard time learning the wiki formating... Nov 19 20:18:30 yeah Nov 19 20:18:37 that bear had its own ticket to the brewery Nov 19 20:18:46 I got one of her creeping it into the picture of everybody trying to fix the audio on her Lenovo. Nov 19 20:18:56 is there planning about meego for netbooks to migrate Qt apps only? Nov 19 20:19:00 julienf: it gets easier over time - ping me if anything gets really mangled Nov 19 20:19:16 There are almost only GNOME applications... Nov 19 20:20:31 DawnFoster: thx, should be able to get it done :) Nov 19 20:21:00 hmmh. does this mean that even open source solutions of video encoding using gpu is not legal? http://goo.gl/Xie8 Nov 19 20:21:27 julienf: yeah, it's not really that bad - just offering help like a good community manager (just in case) :) Nov 19 20:21:44 DawnFoster: appreciate :) Nov 19 20:23:33 DawnFoster: can you check the page and tell me what you think (formating wise essentially?) Nov 19 20:24:35 julienf: looks good! Nov 19 20:24:59 DawnFoster: still some few things to fix, doing that now. Nov 19 20:26:27 would be interesting to see if we can design a fully open source game, up to the strategy itself and so on :) Nov 19 20:27:51 and then sell consulting services to help companies provide it at their own conferences! *g* Nov 19 20:29:23 vladimiroff: I am wondering that as well... Nov 19 20:29:58 GAN900: haha :D if not selling, at least providing the analytics and showing that how it helped or made the conference worse :D Nov 19 20:30:58 * CosmoHill rage quits the PS3 and scares his brother out of the room Nov 19 20:31:10 * GAN900 <- "guy in the hat" by the way. Nov 19 20:32:01 * julienf <- other "guy in the hat" but mostly french :D Nov 19 20:32:53 ok, time for me to hit the road Nov 19 20:33:04 what did the road ever do to you? Nov 19 20:33:12 thanks for the conversations and let's keep on having fun until next spring Nov 19 20:34:18 CosmoHill: not much yet, it's preventive... for when I'll be too close to it... Nov 19 20:35:36 does anyone have an idea why meego's X server, under qemu, should die with the message "no screens found", even when qemu was given -vga std? Image is meego-handset-ia32-mtf-1.1-sda.bin . Nov 19 20:35:53 Terminator Salvation, good film? Nov 19 20:37:10 opinions on 'good film' vary too greatly to compress into this space Nov 19 20:37:23 CosmoHill: just watch it and let us know :) Nov 19 20:37:29 marnanel: actually relevant to my interests. Have you gotten the older one running? Nov 19 20:38:06 pupnik: it's friday night, I'm single and all my friends are busy Nov 19 20:38:11 pupnik: not under qemu, no. I did have it running on an N900 earlier Nov 19 20:38:16 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3854 this your bug, marnanel ? Nov 19 20:38:42 CosmoHill: where are you based? Nov 19 20:38:50 UK Nov 19 20:38:58 CosmoHill: I figured that out, but where? :D Nov 19 20:39:04 south east Nov 19 20:39:12 too far from London I guess? Nov 19 20:39:28 I could take the train pretty easy Nov 19 20:39:34 I mean physically it's easy Nov 19 20:39:42 pupnik: hm, could well be that. Looks like I'm out of luck. Nov 19 20:39:54 Ok CosmoHill - i reccommend "Jean de Florette" and "Manon des Sources" Nov 19 20:40:09 sounds like you're trying to each me french Nov 19 20:40:13 make it a double feature :) Nov 19 20:40:33 I really liked Manon des Sources. the trick ending surprised me Nov 19 20:41:14 we could catch up at some point in London then. Tonight am gonna try to sleep as I've been lacking of that lately... some of you might know why.. Nov 19 20:41:37 :o Nov 19 20:41:44 oh the conference thingy Nov 19 20:42:08 the game thingy :D Nov 19 20:42:09 too bad watching meego conference videos requires flash Nov 19 20:42:10 someone was organizing UK Meego meetups at some point Nov 19 20:42:24 DawnFoster: if you Nov 19 20:42:34 >.> Nov 19 20:42:35 <.< Nov 19 20:42:41 DawnFoster: you've got a contact, let me know. I was thinking of looking that up.. Nov 19 20:42:50 yeah, hang on a sec Nov 19 20:43:21 DawnFoster: send me an email, I've got to run. :) Nov 19 20:43:36 julienf: will do Nov 19 20:46:01 hi Nov 19 20:56:19 Built my first meego rpm seconds ago, qemu still downloading.. Nov 19 20:56:56 Is it so that installing meego on uSD for N900 or changing the bootloadre or something disables the warranty of N900? Nov 19 21:09:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHTr2Z82Ao&list=UL87M0U48es84&playnext=3 Nov 19 21:32:35 does anyone know what particular image was on the usb keys used to install MeeGo at the conference? I've managed to trash my installation already Nov 19 21:35:18 marnanel: did you get the one with Atheros or Broadcom wifi? AFAIK the only difference from downloadable netbook images Nov 19 21:35:38 Broadcom Nov 19 21:35:44 was that 'the one with the red stripe on the back' had BCM's fw included Nov 19 21:35:51 yeah, the red stripe one Nov 19 21:36:10 you should be able to just grab the standard image and then add the firmware Nov 19 21:36:20 okay, lovely. thanks. Nov 19 21:54:09 putting the ideapad on good use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4-Q1ZoLQE Nov 19 21:54:43 the image used was a recent version of 1.2 trunk (not 1.1) just FYI Nov 19 22:05:39 DawnFoster: thanks! Nov 19 22:05:49 notmart: NICE!!! Nov 19 22:06:29 we are having a code sprint right now Nov 19 22:06:41 hopefully in the end there will be packages for people to try :p Nov 19 22:07:24 I'm still wondering how to update that image on the Ideapad - does the update process work / will I get notified in the UI? Nov 19 22:08:54 * notmart still has the default one that came in the usb key Nov 19 22:09:02 a zypper update should do the job tough Nov 19 22:09:03 andre__: yes a popup appear if update need Nov 19 22:09:16 notmart: cool Nov 19 22:09:25 notmart: or you can verify with "zypper updzte" Nov 19 22:09:27 hmm. have a command handy? Nov 19 22:09:31 ah Nov 19 22:20:02 Meego & N900 - what are the biggest problems at the moment to be able to use it as a phone Nov 19 22:48:02 rhkfin: bugzilla.meego.com and query for critical / blocker in phone related areas? Nov 19 22:49:28 ok, thanks! Nov 19 23:13:32 Going through http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC now - flasher uploads the kernel, I see some text on the screen but with no backlight -> not really readable. Yellow led is on. Any pointers..? Is this normal, do I need to wait longer or did something fail? Nov 19 23:18:09 Last line says "stdoops: ready 5, 6, (no erase)" Nov 19 23:20:20 do you have back cover in place? Nov 19 23:20:26 yes Nov 19 23:20:34 got more light to be able to read better.. Nov 19 23:20:48 It tries to load MMC and recognizes it but fails: Nov 19 23:21:07 cannot open root device mmcblk0p1 Nov 19 23:21:51 please append a correct root= boot option: here are the available partitions Nov 19 23:22:01 which build you are using? Nov 19 23:22:06 then there's a list of mtdblocks.. Nov 19 23:22:14 meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1. Nov 19 23:23:42 some builds before 1.1 release didn't boot, not sure about newest Nov 19 23:24:29 hmm.. ok.. Maybe I'll try 1.1.. Nov 19 23:25:45 it should work :) Nov 19 23:26:34 right, thanks! Nov 19 23:26:46 and backlight stays on while booting if device is in RD mode Nov 19 23:30:50 RD? Nov 19 23:31:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode Nov 19 23:31:58 research & destroy, ok :) Nov 19 23:32:40 Need to finish for today.. Thanks, will report back later.. Nov 19 23:33:13 yeah, time to sleep Nov 19 23:34:27 if I want to know which devices / cell phone carriers have meego, what is a good place? Nov 19 23:58:42 Hi, okay so I'm running meego v1.1 in a vm...its pretty cool, but....how do I shutdown? Nov 19 23:58:42 whats the best way to install wine on meego netbook 1.1 the suse rpm fails to install Nov 19 23:59:01 powerbutton Nov 19 23:59:11 what power button? Nov 19 23:59:28 thats the way you do it on a real install Nov 19 23:59:57 press powerbuttun and it askes to shutdown or not Nov 20 00:00:18 give like 30 seconds to answer Nov 20 00:00:26 not sure in vm Nov 20 00:00:31 power button? like the actual power button the device? or some sort of software button? Nov 20 00:00:57 on a real install on device powerbotton Nov 20 00:01:28 power button triggers the shutdown script Nov 20 00:01:52 do you mean the physical power button on the hardware? yes/no? Nov 20 00:02:01 vicarious-: in a VM just sent it the shutdown command Nov 20 00:02:13 please read my above answers Nov 20 00:02:13 vicarious-: a term and shutdown or shutdown the vm Nov 20 00:02:15 iirc it's under file on virtualbox Nov 20 00:03:11 vbox may have a software powerbutton i dont know i run it on a actual install Nov 20 00:03:46 close your VM Nov 20 00:03:52 it will ask you what you want to do Nov 20 00:03:54 WIIman: yes, I've read them, now can you just respond with a yes or no to the clarifying question: do you mean in a normal meego install use the physical power button on the hardware to shutdown? Nov 20 00:03:57 one of them is send the shutdown command Nov 20 00:04:45 arg "yes" the REAL power botton Nov 20 00:04:48 yes Nov 20 00:04:52 thank you Nov 20 00:06:22 or in vm as above stated by another close vm Nov 20 00:06:39 Could somebody tell me which packages do I need to install in order to have mp3 and ogv playback? Nov 20 00:07:03 comuity repos enabled Nov 20 00:07:21 google will lead you to the repo Nov 20 00:07:33 no package for mp3 you need compil gstreamer plugins Nov 20 00:07:35 By the way, I'm actually running meego in a vmware vm Nov 20 00:07:44 its quite interesting Nov 20 00:08:19 im running meego as a real install on hd its very nice with the real hardware Nov 20 00:08:34 im on a dell mini 10 1012 Nov 20 00:09:01 it even sees my 3g card Nov 20 00:10:40 WIIman, the ftp://volkoff.ru one? Nov 20 00:18:08 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 Nov 20 00:18:30 right Nov 20 00:18:53 thanks for the tip Nov 20 00:19:22 GOOGLE SERCH = MEEGO COMUNITY REPO the first google link is it Nov 20 00:19:35 np Nov 20 00:19:59 sorry caps was on by accident Nov 20 00:21:06 yes. I had found that earlier, but thought it was something different, since it's just a forum thread and not a more "stable" location Nov 20 00:21:37 kind of expected that the installation would have more features enabled out-of-the-box, such as jpg viewing Nov 20 00:21:42 iit works fine i use it Nov 20 00:21:55 ok, I'll use that then Nov 20 00:22:23 p7zip is NOT in the repo though beware of that Nov 20 00:22:47 so far thats the only issue i had Nov 20 00:27:04 has anyone had problems with the meego netbook recovering from hibernation? Sometimes the screen just goes blank and the system hangs Nov 20 00:28:01 Mikho: yes, it's a know issue response in forum you must unmount /media/* Nov 20 00:28:26 I see. Thanks :) Nov 20 00:28:49 havnt had that issue affter recovering from lid open Nov 20 00:28:56 so far Nov 20 00:29:56 just a moment ago, I closed the lid, waited the netbook to power down, opened it and got the password screen. Closed it again and it didn't recover from that Nov 20 00:30:19 let me try Nov 20 00:31:10 worked fine here Nov 20 00:31:51 it doesn't seem to happen every time Nov 20 00:32:11 morning Nov 20 00:32:22 when netbook you have ? Nov 20 00:32:30 what even Nov 20 00:32:59 the one they gave in the conference Nov 20 00:33:09 lenovo S10-3t Nov 20 00:33:21 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238&highlight=umount+/media&page=2 down the page Nov 20 00:33:41 maybe... Nov 20 00:36:34 ok we have differant netbooks so imay not have that issue Nov 20 00:39:35 what would be the latest snapshot of meego handset? Nov 20 00:39:35 niala, thanks for the precise link Nov 20 00:39:46 available for download - that is ;) Nov 20 00:40:35 where can I get a list of meego devices? Nov 20 00:40:39 I didn't mean I'm too lazy to look for the solution myself, but was thinking of trying the fix tomorrow :) Nov 20 00:40:51 tybollt, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.7.20101119.1/handset/images/ Nov 20 00:41:41 Termana: meci beaucop Nov 20 00:41:57 test34, http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Nov 20 00:42:10 thanks Termana ! Nov 20 00:43:19 * WIIman feels like a pimp , been pushing meego in every linux chat i can lol Nov 20 00:43:23 does Meego compete with Android? they both appear on similar platforms: phones, tablets, and there's even an implementation of Android on a TV... Nov 20 00:43:24 Mikho: echo "umount /media/*" >>/usr/sbin/pm-suspend that's all Nov 20 00:43:35 hello guys Nov 20 00:43:40 hi Nov 20 00:43:50 hi Nov 20 00:43:53 i need some help getting meego running on my laptop Nov 20 00:44:02 vicarious-, I think they do but I also think meego is more open Nov 20 00:44:11 im trying to install it in virtualbox Nov 20 00:44:25 it booted ok first time and i finished the setup but when it rebooted Nov 20 00:44:29 it just hangs up on the background Nov 20 00:44:32 and nothing happens Nov 20 00:45:12 Termana: in that snap...is the video accel shitz integrated fully and wokring? Nov 20 00:45:24 vicarious-, on the same level as we compete with iOS - we aren't specifically trying to compete, we're just making a good OS for the same segments of devices Nov 20 00:45:32 IIRC the video thingie has been problematic (at best) previously Nov 20 00:46:09 tybollt, yes the SGX driver is there, but not the newer driver which provides some speed increase (only because it hasn't been integrated in the MeeGo trunk yet) Nov 20 00:46:29 how is meego more open? and how does meego differentiate itself from other similar OS's like Android or iOS? Nov 20 00:47:01 i say hardware suport and ui Nov 20 00:47:03 tybollt, if you own an n900 and want to see the newer SGX drivers in action you can go to tablets-dev and download the demo image that people were using at the meego conference Nov 20 00:47:22 anyone? Nov 20 00:47:28 WIIman: could you please elaborate? Nov 20 00:47:45 vicarious-, for a start, Android is dominated and controlled by a single company - Google, where as MeeGo is a community effort Nov 20 00:48:05 vicarious-, with Android, Google just throws code over the wall - in MeeGo you get to see development AS IT HAPPENS Nov 20 00:48:17 Is wake from sleep just completely broken? Nov 20 00:48:25 * GAN900 really hates this Netbook UX. Nov 20 00:48:51 Termana: okay, that sounds nice and everything, but what does that mean to the consumer? Nov 20 00:48:59 well google isnt a hard ware vender like intell amd nokia so the three i mention suport meego apple is but theire os only works for apple devices Nov 20 00:49:23 then there is the user interace wich is uniqyie to others Nov 20 00:49:47 GAN900, scroll up a bit and see niala's link Nov 20 00:50:05 vicarious-, MeeGo is different from other OSes like iOS and Android in that it provides a full GNU/Linux stack, good for users, good for developers, plus developers have the Qt framework which will make developing for multiple devices a hell of a lot easier Nov 20 00:50:10 Termana: "demo" meaning what? a full snap of meego? Nov 20 00:50:35 Does a meego device usually have to be rooted? Nov 20 00:50:37 vicarious-, for consumers for one it means that theoretically a consumer could get updates to the OS as soon as something is fixed rather than wait for it Nov 20 00:50:44 yeh qt dev is helpfull to Nov 20 00:50:57 But I guess that one comes down to whether manufactures and carriers allow it Nov 20 00:51:14 for example: do they try to prevent you from being root.. Nov 20 00:51:14 test34, that's not really a MeeGo-dependant thing. A MeeGo device could be either or. Nov 20 00:51:39 test34, there is nothing specific in MeeGo to encourage people to not be root Nov 20 00:51:54 Termana, okay, so users could upgrade their device to the latest version of the OS without waiting for the manufacturer or carrier to allow the upgrade, correct? Nov 20 00:52:21 vicarious-, correct, as long as the manufacturer or carrier doesn't lock that functionality out Nov 20 00:52:23 ok Termana .. I just dont want to buy a device where they try to block things that you could easily do.. Nov 20 00:52:36 ~tablets-dev Nov 20 00:52:49 :( Nov 20 00:52:53 vicarious-: and they can participate to devl Nov 20 00:52:59 :') Nov 20 00:53:02 :'( Nov 20 00:53:12 test34, N900? Or Nokia have said they will provide the Maemo 6/Harmattan device as unsubsidised and unlocked Nov 20 00:53:36 These are all interesting differences, but does meego have any competitive advantages in relation to other similar OS's (i.e. Android, iOS, etc.)? Nov 20 00:54:13 Termana, that might be the best choice, do you know which carrier let you use the n900 ? Nov 20 00:54:16 tybollt, demo meaning the newer SGX drivers got integrated into the image, for the demo purposes, since they aren't in the MeeGo trunk at the moment Nov 20 00:54:23 I really wish the meego web site was clearer on this... Nov 20 00:54:35 test34, you don't need carrier permission to use an N900 Nov 20 00:54:39 Termana: where do I find tablet-devs? Nov 20 00:54:52 Hold on everybody, can only type so fast :p Nov 20 00:54:52 Termana, but it needs to support the right frequencies and such Nov 20 00:54:59 test34, correct Nov 20 00:55:21 tybollt, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php Nov 20 00:55:28 danke schön Nov 20 00:55:47 vicarious-: what do you want more? coffe? :) Nov 20 00:55:53 vicarious-, can you be a little more specific in what you mean by competitive advantages? Nov 20 00:56:51 http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900/specifications#hardware-of Nov 20 00:57:43 vicarious-, your more likely to get games ported from iOS, because iOS uses C, using only Objective-C specific stuff for UI stuff. Whereas Android, to use C or C++ it's kind of a kludge and a hack so you really need to be using Java. Most of the C code will probably work with little effort on MeeGo Nov 20 00:57:45 vicarious-, competitive advantage is probably mostly marketing ? Nov 20 00:57:49 vicarious-: in50 years Meego will have teleportation Nov 20 00:58:10 Just something to think about in regards to MeeGo v Android Nov 20 00:58:34 niala: but will have time travel in 40 years, so you can get teleportation ealier Nov 20 00:59:36 berndhs, but end of the world comes with time travel Nov 20 00:59:37 okay, fair points, but why would a consumer electronics manufcturer use Meego on their devices instead of Android? Nov 20 01:00:05 vicarious-, if they care about the user they should;) Nov 20 01:00:27 As far as I know, one thing people complain about android is that it uses more battery Nov 20 01:00:38 vicarious-, increased openness for a start, breaking away from Google (in case you haven't noticed - a lot of manufactures want to do this) Nov 20 01:00:51 can offer no reference though Nov 20 01:00:58 meego has been kind to my netbook battery Nov 20 01:01:41 vicarious-, more contributors, more rooms for innovation Nov 20 01:01:56 As far as my personal experiences go, java applications tend to be heavy on the system Nov 20 01:02:00 vicarious-, the Android trademark vs trademark usage of MeeGo. Nov 20 01:02:23 Mikho, yes, java is heavy on my PC sometimes, so I can imagine on a phone Nov 20 01:02:52 vicarious-, isnt google getting sued about Java too? Nov 20 01:02:53 Under MeeGo you have to abide by an open set of trademark rules, for Android, Google has their own private set of rules for trademark usage, which they tell no one and if you do anything wrong by them, they won't let you use it Nov 20 01:03:37 Breaking away from Google is really a big reason in and of itself for manufactures to be moving away from Android and to MeeGo Nov 20 01:03:39 google and apple want to control you as much as they can Nov 20 01:04:03 okay, interesting...thanks! Nov 20 01:04:24 I would go for a windows 7 phone before android I think.. but I would prefer meego Nov 20 01:05:23 just a bit of constructive feedback: if meego is to be a successful platform, it will need a change of name to something more attractive...imho Nov 20 01:06:35 vicarious-, I can't help but to agree :) Nov 20 01:07:23 vicarious-, Mikho: personally, I don't think that's the case. I don't think consumers care about the name Nov 20 01:07:25 I think its importance should not be underestimated Nov 20 01:07:36 though I think google's naming schemes too are a bit silly Nov 20 01:07:50 And honestly I don't see the problem with the name MeeGo Nov 20 01:07:52 yes, I know it's just my personal opinion Nov 20 01:08:42 Mikho: at least they use actual words...words mind you with a positive impression in the minds of consumers...people don't even know what meego is. Nov 20 01:08:48 ah, I didn't mean to imply meego wouldn't succeed, just that I don't like the name very much Nov 20 01:09:11 vicarious-, Android doesn't tell you what it is by it's name either Nov 20 01:09:16 iOS? Nov 20 01:09:17 No Nov 20 01:09:39 iPhone - yes, I admit Apple was able to describe that one fairly good :p Nov 20 01:09:40 nOS ? Nov 20 01:09:55 Termana: People know the word Android and know pretty much what an android is... Nov 20 01:10:26 Termana: Ask 100 people what a Meego is...you may understand then. Nov 20 01:10:26 I might have a problem with unorthodox use of cApital letTers Nov 20 01:10:29 vicarious-, only because the products have been there for a while, when it first came out, general consumers had no clue Nov 20 01:11:00 meego is an immigrant going to the grocery store? Nov 20 01:11:04 Termana: no, you are not understanding me: android is an actual word in the engish language, meego is not. Nov 20 01:11:36 I can't see the link between the meaning of word "android" and the OS Nov 20 01:11:46 if you tell people what meego is often enough, they will know Nov 20 01:12:04 no, you guys don't understand how marketing works... Nov 20 01:12:05 and because it doesn't have another meaning, they won't misunderstand Nov 20 01:12:14 vicarious-, iOS is not an english word. Plus what Mikho said - there is no relation to an automated human being robot and a mobile phone Nov 20 01:12:28 when i hear Meego i think ugg me go to store ug Nov 20 01:12:49 but its fun Nov 20 01:13:12 its sugests mobility Nov 20 01:13:19 me go Nov 20 01:13:29 WIIman, the name leaves a lot of room for people to make fun of it. But I think that's ok Nov 20 01:13:49 WIIman, sounds good Nov 20 01:13:56 termana: so does the Wii Nov 20 01:13:56 that's right, there is no relation, there doesn't need to be, it just needs to be called a name that: 1) consumers are familiar with, and 2) a word that leaves a positive impression in the minds of consumers Nov 20 01:14:03 at least its not calles smeegol Nov 20 01:14:14 that is dont right theft Nov 20 01:14:14 WIIman, :p Nov 20 01:14:27 WIIman, I know how you feel Nov 20 01:14:39 WIIman: exactly Nov 20 01:14:56 theft og meego and theft of lotr Nov 20 01:15:23 novel should knnow better Nov 20 01:15:35 meegone would be better? Nov 20 01:15:50 ill make distro call it susee just to piss them off Nov 20 01:18:27 WIIman: i take it you are aware of the difference between the opensuse community project and novel the company which bases their suse enterprise products on the work of the community? Nov 20 01:18:44 because it sounds very much like you're not quite grasping that part of how opensuse works ;) Nov 20 01:18:51 Normally, when a company launches a product/service with a made up name (i.e. Wii, etc.) they usually launch a multi-million dollar marketing campaign to build buzz about the product's name... Nov 20 01:19:16 I don't see the organizations behind meego able to do that Nov 20 01:19:30 vicarious-, nokia, intel and amd? Nov 20 01:19:31 so best to just use a better name Nov 20 01:19:46 vicarious-: oh sure, Intel and Nokia are rank amateurs at all this marketing stuff Nov 20 01:19:58 heh Nov 20 01:19:58 i think empathy should suport irc so i dont need two multiprotcal clients Nov 20 01:20:00 fair points Nov 20 01:20:03 vicarious-, intel pays everybody to use their products Nov 20 01:20:05 test34: yeah, because they're just tiny little things who have no idea about how to make a splash for something... i mean, noone here is likely to know neither the nokia tune or the intel chime ;) Nov 20 01:20:11 yeh i know the defrence Nov 20 01:20:39 leinir, exactly Nov 20 01:21:07 vicarious-, also, when you launch a PRODUCT, you need a..... Nov 20 01:21:11 PRODUCT Nov 20 01:21:20 are intel and nokia actually going to launch a multi-million dollar marketing campaign for meego? If so, I haven't heard about it Nov 20 01:21:23 :) Nov 20 01:21:29 Of which there is no product's currently shipping as MeeGo devices Nov 20 01:21:40 if intel realy wants meego to succeeed or nokia that it will thaty have the finantial power to do it Nov 20 01:21:41 Termana: a fair point Nov 20 01:21:43 vicarious-, AMD (competitor) even joined them I think Nov 20 01:21:50 whoever launches a product will launch a marketing campaign Nov 20 01:22:04 yes, based on the conference experience, it seems expensive alright Nov 20 01:22:05 there not much point now Nov 20 01:22:14 test34: Yup, they joined in officially this Monday :) Nov 20 01:22:27 so meego is not ready yet for a product launch? Nov 20 01:22:39 and now amd is on board too Nov 20 01:23:04 meego will grow Nov 20 01:23:10 leinir, hopefully meego's adoption will take off now Nov 20 01:23:29 rate Nov 20 01:23:40 the netbook adaaption is fantastic Nov 20 01:23:41 hey, anyone care to help me out with some questions about meego? Nov 20 01:23:52 i can try Nov 20 01:23:53 test34: *nods* i mean, we've long had two much more heavy competitors (ti and intel) working together on this, but the amd/intel thing is more sort of... press-friendly ;) Nov 20 01:23:56 vicarious-: is an opportunity to see the whole process from start Nov 20 01:24:25 evdaemonia, don't ask to ask, just ask :) Nov 20 01:24:35 niala: huh? whole sentences... ;) use your words... ;) Nov 20 01:24:58 oh cool Nov 20 01:25:04 well, i tried to install MeeGo Nov 20 01:25:14 evdaemonia: good...go on Nov 20 01:25:19 i first tried it off the USB on the MSI Wind (U100) and it seems fine Nov 20 01:25:25 it looks great and even plays sound Nov 20 01:25:28 evdaemonia: good...go on Nov 20 01:25:32 mouse, keyboard, all work Nov 20 01:25:36 except no wireless Nov 20 01:25:44 and now you'll say... yeah, wireless ;) Nov 20 01:25:58 did you config wireless Nov 20 01:26:10 it couldn't find any network nor was there an option for search for wireless, only bluetooth and wired :( Nov 20 01:26:13 So, much fun with that stuff - i'm pretty sure there's some info about that on the forums (specifically for the msi wind 100) Nov 20 01:26:26 leinir, yes, the 2 most well known.. they should probably make a commercial together;) I wonder if Arm is considering joining too Nov 20 01:26:33 its been mentioned here that meego has a "full linux stack". I'm told this is important, but I don't know why. First, what is meant by a "full linux stack"? Nov 20 01:26:49 test34, "I'm an Intel" "and I'm and AMD" Nov 20 01:26:52 test34, :p Nov 20 01:26:55 test34: They aren't officially involved, but with ti already on board... :) Nov 20 01:27:02 Termana: That'd be kind of lulz ;) Nov 20 01:27:09 an AMD* Nov 20 01:27:43 try add new connection Nov 20 01:27:52 i cant Nov 20 01:27:55 it's greyed out Nov 20 01:27:56 :( Nov 20 01:28:19 anyway, that's only a minor problem... i was thinking of installing it Nov 20 01:28:26 I wasn't able to get the wireless working easily with the opensource usb stick Nov 20 01:28:30 hehe Termana Nov 20 01:28:36 but then got into trouble... Nov 20 01:28:38 unsuported card maybe ? what wireless card ? i have atheros it works great Nov 20 01:28:50 i wanted manual dual boot with xp and of course i dont know enough about it Nov 20 01:28:53 so i stopped :( Nov 20 01:29:11 there's so many options (ext2, ext3, some other format i never heard of) Nov 20 01:29:24 anyone know an online guide for manual install? Nov 20 01:29:48 evdaemonia: have you try in 'live' ? Nov 20 01:30:08 yeh it can boot live Nov 20 01:30:10 vicarious-, I think it means that any linux app will work without problems Nov 20 01:30:13 yes, i just spend 5 mins saying i have Nov 20 01:30:23 it all works great, except the wireless :( Nov 20 01:30:47 i need help with partition table :( Nov 20 01:31:09 vicarious-, so basically you dont need an app store, because most apps already exist Nov 20 01:31:29 i see Nov 20 01:31:43 meego uses yum ? Nov 20 01:32:05 rpm:s, yes Nov 20 01:32:15 meego uses zypper Nov 20 01:32:36 what's the difference? Nov 20 01:32:59 is it still '> zypper install xxxxx'? Nov 20 01:33:04 vicarious-, but you can still have an app store to make it easier for the users... Nov 20 01:33:21 vicarious-, Android uses a hacked, sawed and cut down BSD libc with some other BSD-license libraries and a Google made, Apache-licensed command line utilities of which there are only 5 (ls and a couple of others) Nov 20 01:33:43 vicarious-, MeeGo uses glibc and normal linux libraries, normal GNU utilities Nov 20 01:34:07 and it doesn't run all its apps in a VM Nov 20 01:34:17 that's been plastered on a heap of junk Nov 20 01:34:51 hmm Nov 20 01:35:23 a VM isnt necessarily bad.. but for a phone it might be (not enought processing power) Nov 20 01:35:46 You can use a NORMAL mainline linux kernel with MeeGo as well, not have to patch in Android's non-mainstreamed stuff Nov 20 01:35:48 enough.. Nov 20 01:37:21 test34: if you want you can install a vm in meego or 3 or 4vm :) Nov 20 01:37:56 niala, thats a good point Nov 20 01:38:41 I need meego Nov 20 01:39:01 you can install meego-netbook and run meego-handset or meego-ivi in your meego netbook Nov 20 01:39:11 lol Nov 20 01:40:05 like another 'linux' Nov 20 01:41:03 yes, its a fully working non restricted linux (unlike android) Nov 20 01:42:49 install android in a vm in meego .... Nov 20 01:43:21 you probably can't do the opposite unless you root your android device Nov 20 01:43:38 meego in android i think is more difficult isn't it? I know nothing about googleOs Nov 20 01:48:30 hmm Nov 20 01:48:38 any ideas why flasher 3.5 wouldn Nov 20 01:48:47 t work in Winows 7 (32 bit)? Nov 20 01:49:13 never detects the device albeit windows says it detects the usb device Nov 20 01:50:31 sounds familiar for some reason... Nov 20 01:54:25 HEH Nov 20 01:54:28 can't remember for the life of me what the solution was Nov 20 01:54:49 you haveta hold the "u" button while connecting the usb plug :) Nov 20 01:54:56 then ol works :) Nov 20 01:55:11 that sounds kinda familiar as well :D Nov 20 01:58:31 so the demo thing Nov 20 01:58:49 is that lacking a lot of the stuff that is in trunk? Nov 20 01:59:01 as in is trunk more usable (graphics aside)`? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 20 02:59:57 2010