**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 22 02:59:58 2010
Nov 22 03:06:34 <csw_ocube> lbt
Nov 22 03:08:23 <csw_ocube> is there anybody who have experience porting meego on arm11(arm v6,s3c6410)
Nov 22 03:14:04 <WIIman> nice meegoturned off my netbook screen and ported it to my monitor
Nov 22 03:14:50 <WIIman> its nice and big for mee to see lol
Nov 22 03:16:12 <berndhs> yeah nice big buttons
Nov 22 03:18:33 <WIIman> yep :)
Nov 22 03:20:13 <WIIman> neet the menu changed to dropdown lists lol
Nov 22 03:20:19 <WIIman> for apps
Nov 22 03:22:13 <WIIman> even changes the way it handles zones
Nov 22 03:24:32 <WIIman> this realy is cool
Nov 22 03:25:13 <WIIman> i have yet to use a UI this fun
Nov 22 03:25:56 <berndhs> i dont like that you can't minimize windows
Nov 22 03:26:30 <berndhs> and if you do manage to minimize them, I don't know how you get them back from the UI
Nov 22 03:27:13 <WIIman> i just use alt tab and zones to move between apps
Nov 22 03:27:22 <WIIman> very fluid
Nov 22 03:27:51 <berndhs> i like my apps to show the parts that are relevant only, and hide the rest
Nov 22 03:27:58 <WIIman> mouse to top of screen zone tap app and im there
Nov 22 03:28:30 <berndhs> i'm sure the equivalent works fine, I just haven't found it :)
Nov 22 03:30:13 <WIIman> with the ui i feel like i own my screen
Nov 22 03:30:26 <WIIman> im realy good at making it work
Nov 22 03:30:41 <WIIman> it natral to me
Nov 22 03:31:19 <berndhs> its just different, I don't know the philosophy behind it
Nov 22 03:31:29 <berndhs> what belongs in which zone and why
Nov 22 03:31:51 <WIIman> i move things between zones allthe time
Nov 22 03:32:02 <berndhs> but the main challenge is how to organize the gui
Nov 22 03:32:13 <berndhs> what function belongs on which part
Nov 22 03:32:14 <WIIman> drang and drop to organize only takes seconds
Nov 22 03:32:42 <berndhs> i prefer command line for some things :)
Nov 22 03:32:55 <WIIman> cli is awesome too
Nov 22 03:33:10 <berndhs> if I know exactly what I want, why waste time dragging stuff around
Nov 22 03:34:00 <WIIman> when not in external screen i go to apps start typing a word it gets the thing i want and i run it its fast and powerfull if used right
Nov 22 03:34:18 <berndhs> with the phones it seems weird that all the new UXs need 2 hands to operate a device that fits into 1
Nov 22 03:35:07 <WIIman> i dont know any thhing about toucch screens just the netbook ui
Nov 22 03:35:25 <berndhs> i challange anyone to do a 2-finger gesture while holding the phone in the same hand
Nov 22 03:35:41 <WIIman> i havent got on the touchscreen band waggon yet
Nov 22 03:36:11 * WIIman likes his kb to much
Nov 22 03:36:38 <berndhs> the touch stuff has potential, but i think it would need some really good ideas on using gestures to get back the precision lost with fat greasy fingers
Nov 22 03:36:48 <WIIman> touchpad isnt bad once you get it down
Nov 22 03:37:05 <WIIman> better thaan a mouse at times
Nov 22 03:37:11 <berndhs> touchpad is awful for precise stuff
Nov 22 03:37:22 <test34> any touch screens have some kind of dimple for touch typing?
Nov 22 03:37:41 <berndhs> ah, brilliant idea
Nov 22 03:38:09 <berndhs> warp the touch screen for a more tactile on-screen keyboard
Nov 22 03:38:18 <test34> hehe
Nov 22 03:38:33 <berndhs> dynamic braille even
Nov 22 03:39:43 <test34> that might distort the image?
Nov 22 03:40:06 <berndhs> if your fingers are on top of the image it doesn't matter that its distorted
Nov 22 03:40:13 <WIIman> nice the search feature is still in apps lol even with the dropdown menus realy nic quick acces to apps
Nov 22 03:40:26 <test34> berndhs, that makes sense
Nov 22 03:40:37 <WIIman> even external screen use is great
Nov 22 03:41:43 <berndhs> i'm writing a piece of toy code
Nov 22 03:41:55 <WIIman> and top screen menu is always showing with no interfering with typing
Nov 22 03:42:03 <berndhs> and getting confused because the copyright/license header is not in the file
Nov 22 03:42:42 <WIIman> i never seen a ui change with what moniter it was hooked up to
Nov 22 03:42:55 <berndhs> yeah how does it know ?
Nov 22 03:43:07 <berndhs> in Qt normally the application doesn't know that
Nov 22 03:43:20 <WIIman> not sure lol i just pluged it in
Nov 22 03:43:43 <berndhs> I should file a bug, some app knows and mine can't know, its not fair
Nov 22 03:43:46 <WIIman> an intelligent ui thats novle
Nov 22 03:44:37 <WIIman> some things are like on the netbook screen but other arnt
Nov 22 03:44:44 <WIIman> realy needt
Nov 22 03:45:53 <WIIman> i know this ui was used in moblin but was it this smart in moblin ?
Nov 22 04:00:11 <marnanel> What's wrong with the world, succinctly described by MeeGo: http://i.imgur.com/ixq5u.png
Nov 22 04:04:35 <berndhs> marnanel: yeah, Bertholt Brecht said the same thing
Nov 22 04:05:21 <berndhs> when the government said it lost confidence in the people
Nov 22 04:05:39 <berndhs> Brecht said to dissolve the people and elect a new one
Nov 22 04:06:03 <WIIman> you mean the peapole lost confidence in the government
Nov 22 04:06:16 <berndhs> no, other way around
Nov 22 04:06:28 <berndhs> the government was complaining that the people were no good
Nov 22 04:07:31 <WIIman> the people are the government we lost confidance in ourselves
Nov 22 04:07:41 <berndhs> depends on the country :)
Nov 22 04:07:57 <WIIman> im in the us
Nov 22 04:08:05 <berndhs> this was in east germany in the days or real existing socialism
Nov 22 04:08:28 <berndhs> where the sun was always shining and the government was always right
Nov 22 04:09:11 <Dimpy_> hello
Nov 22 04:10:07 <Dimpy_> anyone can help me in account acreation in http://build.meego.com/?
Nov 22 04:11:26 <berndhs> Dimpy_: that's the core corporate one, you have to be real special for that
Nov 22 04:11:41 <berndhs> perhaps you want build.pub.meego.com
Nov 22 04:11:55 <berndhs> or perhaps you are real special :)
Nov 22 04:12:50 <berndhs> ask here when people are awake in Europe, that's your best bet
Nov 22 04:13:33 <Dimpy_> thanks for the information.
Nov 22 04:17:38 <WIIman> im looking at the meego velvet ui on a touchscreen it  look awesome
Nov 22 04:17:42 <Dimpy_> can you tell me whom shall I contact for build.pub.meego.com? I need a place where I can build test package rpms which is open for use by anyone?
Nov 22 04:17:54 <berndhs> try lbt
Nov 22 04:18:34 <berndhs> build.pub.meego.com sounds like the right place for that
Nov 22 04:19:11 <Dimpy_> lbt?
Nov 22 04:19:16 <berndhs> right
Nov 22 04:19:43 <Dimpy_> what is that?
Nov 22 04:20:15 <berndhs> its the nick of the person who does a lot of the build system stuff
Nov 22 04:20:49 <berndhs> i dont know if he's on now, but its 4 in the morning there, so it could be risky :)
Nov 22 04:22:29 <Dimpy_> ohh ok I will wait.
Nov 22 04:22:45 <Dimpy_> anyways thanks a lot.
Nov 22 04:58:51 <Jay_BEE> re
Nov 22 05:45:44 <Termana> morning
Nov 22 06:32:49 <wuyongb> hello world
Nov 22 06:39:47 <yctv> Hi am using qtcreator for meego .. and it doesnt seem to have phonon:videoplayer in it. anyone tried to use the video player in meego apps?
Nov 22 07:02:18 <Myrtti> mmmmmm tea
Nov 22 07:46:00 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 22 07:47:31 <Saviq> hello
Nov 22 08:18:13 <lbt> Dimpy_: I need your meego.com username ... and it'd be nice to know what you're planning on doing?
Nov 22 08:25:38 <Dimpy_> yes sure it is dadhikar, i got the access in build.meego.com
Nov 22 08:26:19 <Dimpy_> I am the maintainer for meego handset sanity automation asset.
Nov 22 08:28:32 <lbt> Dimpy_: great ... do you want to use the community OBS too or are you just working on core?
Nov 22 08:30:04 <Dimpy_> I got access to on core and i am using the same.
Nov 22 08:30:47 <Dimpy_> can you tell me is there any guidelines available for using the same?
Nov 22 08:41:18 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: have you looked at my current slide task recently?
Nov 22 08:49:29 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Not since, err, Saturday.
Nov 22 08:49:56 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: please consider this an invitation to look again
Nov 22 08:50:05 <timeless_mbp> it's changed quite a bit :)
Nov 22 09:26:55 <prometoys> Hi, I have a question about MSSF: is Trusted Execution Environment (TrEE) a concrete product/chip or a concept?
Nov 22 09:27:30 <Jaffa> prometoys: IIRC, it's an ARM feature
Nov 22 09:32:59 <prometoys> @Jaffa thanks...
Nov 22 09:59:11 <friesoft> hi!
Nov 22 09:59:17 <Stskeeps> hi
Nov 22 09:59:37 <friesoft> I'm a Qt developer and would like to request access to the community obs if possible - do I need to take any further steps?
Nov 22 09:59:55 <friesoft> (and in the future also MTF/Qml dev)
Nov 22 10:00:24 <Stskeeps> -> lbt
Nov 22 10:00:54 <lbt> friesoft: we need your meego.com account
Nov 22 10:01:12 <odin_> have you signed up for meego.com account, I think he is copying the authentication details (so there is left conflict resolution to do to merge accounts infos)
Nov 22 10:01:14 <friesoft> friesoft@gmail.com (via openid)
Nov 22 10:01:40 <lbt> odin_: almost... we have shared ldap :)
Nov 22 10:01:54 <odin_> can you do my account please "dlmiles"
Nov 22 10:01:58 <lbt> I just need to add users to the community group
Nov 22 10:02:08 <lbt> friesoft: just the account name, not email
Nov 22 10:02:23 <friesoft> lbt: "friesoft" it should be
Nov 22 10:02:25 <lbt> X-Fade: want to enable a couple of OBS users
Nov 22 10:02:39 <X-Fade> lbt: Did you setup the script? :)
Nov 22 10:02:45 <lbt> ldap1 /usr/local/bin/add_to_obs.sh
Nov 22 10:02:54 <lbt> followed by a username
Nov 22 10:03:05 <X-Fade> lbt: Ok, then I can handle that ;)
Nov 22 10:03:07 <lbt> it doesn't validate the username (yet ;) )
Nov 22 10:03:35 <friesoft> lbt: yep it's "friesoft" (had to check as I usually sign in via the email)
Nov 22 10:03:39 <lbt> cool - I'm no longer a single point of failure
Nov 22 10:03:55 <Jaffa> lbt: unless the script is incomprehensible to X-Fade ;-)
Nov 22 10:04:30 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Oi!
Nov 22 10:05:07 <lbt> it's a nice little ldif script ...
Nov 22 10:05:15 <odin_> is bugzilla due to be hooked upto ldap?  I think I have same username different passwords on that
Nov 22 10:05:31 <lbt> odin_: it is
Nov 22 10:05:37 <lbt> don't know when yet
Nov 22 10:06:31 <Jaffa> lbt: "Nice" *and* "ldif", eh?
Nov 22 10:06:50 <Jaffa> X-Fade: No slight intended, honest ;-)
Nov 22 10:06:58 <odin_> lbt, can you do my account please "dlmiles" meego.com>cbuild ?
Nov 22 10:06:59 <lbt> you should see the rough one
Nov 22 10:07:02 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Sure :)
Nov 22 10:07:22 <X-Fade> odin_: Done.
Nov 22 10:07:29 <odin_> thanks
Nov 22 10:07:35 <lbt> odin_: I'm letting X-Fade do them both ... he's probably ssh'ing in...
Nov 22 10:07:46 <lbt> 1 done
Nov 22 10:08:07 <X-Fade> friesoft: done too.
Nov 22 10:08:28 <friesoft> X-Fade: thanks :) will try
Nov 22 10:09:03 <friesoft> X-Fade: YES I'm in :) thanks a lot
Nov 22 10:09:05 <lbt> X-Fade: I guess this should go on our obs-process page
Nov 22 10:09:55 <X-Fade> lbt: Yeah, I guess a nice form or email alias would be needed though.
Nov 22 10:10:46 <lbt> email alias is easiest I think - meego.com username and a few words on what you plan to do (as a captcha essentially)
Nov 22 10:10:59 <smoku> in previous OBS version there was a link "Go to Repository" on project page
Nov 22 10:11:09 <smoku> I cannot find it in current OBS
Nov 22 10:11:26 <X-Fade> smoku: In the repository tab of your project.
Nov 22 10:12:06 <smoku> oh. two step proces.. thanks X-Fade
Nov 22 10:12:34 <X-Fade> smoku: Yes, it is not that obvious.
Nov 22 10:12:59 <X-Fade> smoku: But repo.pub.meego.com should work too :)
Nov 22 10:13:20 <smoku> X-Fade, this host I wanted to find ;-)
Nov 22 10:13:54 <X-Fade> smoku: community obs is *.pub.meego.com, where * is what the core obs has too.
Nov 22 10:15:32 <arfoll> lbt, how do I fixe the baseurl in the *.repo files? Mine are still showing crepo.meego.com :-(
Nov 22 10:16:01 <lbt> arfoll: you don't... we need to do that ... thanks for reminding us
Nov 22 10:16:25 <lcuk> morning \o
Nov 22 10:16:36 <arfoll> lbt, ok i'll be more patient
Nov 22 10:16:45 <arfoll> also is there any documentation on the BOSS process?
Nov 22 10:17:35 <lbt> arfoll: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS ... note there are some links within that page... also the source... it needs more intro docs too
Nov 22 10:18:11 <arfoll> lbt, ok i'll dig my teeth into that
Nov 22 10:18:13 <lbt> arfoll: are you using it already or just interested?
Nov 22 10:18:47 <arfoll> lbt, I haven't even read about it :-) I will if it fits my need
Nov 22 10:19:03 <lbt> heh ... feel free to ask arfoll
Nov 22 10:19:21 <copyleft> lbt, X-Fade: I can login to community obs by MeeGo account now. Thanks ;)
Nov 22 10:19:23 <lbt> Ford_Prefect: community OBS ?
Nov 22 10:19:27 <arfoll> lbt, oh I will, don't you worry!
Nov 22 10:19:38 <Ford_Prefect> lbt: yes
Nov 22 10:20:09 <arfoll> lbt, I do have a simple question, if I want to make my XBMC package as one single RPM - for example inclusion the intel appup store how would you recommend I go about it?
Nov 22 10:20:20 <lbt> we need your meego.com username and a "what are you doing" ....
Nov 22 10:20:30 <lbt> arfoll: you said simple?
Nov 22 10:20:39 <lbt> type "make" :)
Nov 22 10:20:51 <arfoll> lbt, well ok maybe that was premature
Nov 22 10:21:12 <lbt> so really that's a compliance question ?
Nov 22 10:21:44 <arfoll> lbt, no I just want to know your opinion on the best way to transform a bunch of rpms and make a single big rpm
Nov 22 10:22:00 * lbt is a debian guy :)
Nov 22 10:22:05 <arfoll> i'll worry about compliance with their rules later (i'm not even sure i'll put it on there)
Nov 22 10:22:20 <smoku> I've just built my meego image using packages from community OBS.  thanks for the good work guys :)
Nov 22 10:22:21 <arfoll> i'm not even sure they have meego rules up yet anyways
Nov 22 10:22:22 <lbt> but why a monolithic?
Nov 22 10:22:30 <lbt> Ford_Prefect: ??
Nov 22 10:22:33 <arfoll> lbt, because submission needs to be one single RPM
Nov 22 10:22:45 <lbt> ah... intel rules... OK
Nov 22 10:23:03 <lbt> there is no easy answer
Nov 22 10:23:13 <lbt> you need to meld all the specs of any non-core deps
Nov 22 10:24:00 <arfoll> lbt, but would you recommend making a binary rpm or one spec file that compiles all the deps in order?
Nov 22 10:24:18 <arfoll> can I even do the second, since i'd have to `make install` one part before compiling another
Nov 22 10:24:36 <lbt> honestly no clue without thinking about it
Nov 22 10:25:28 <Bostik> wwwhat? "submission needs to be one single RPM"  <-- where does that come from, and in what context?
Nov 22 10:25:33 <Bostik> because it sounds rather silly
Nov 22 10:27:51 <Ford_Prefect> lbt: I'm trying to get familiar with OBS because eventually I I'll be helping out with core OBS. My user name on meego.com is arunsr.
Nov 22 10:28:24 <lbt> done Ford_Prefect :)
Nov 22 10:28:33 <Ford_Prefect> Thanks! :)
Nov 22 10:31:22 <lcuk> Ford_Prefect, ontop of OBS, your knowledge of rpm and spec files should increase too!
Nov 22 10:32:09 <Ford_Prefect> Right. It looks pretty similar to ebuilds from Gentoo, since the broad principles are the same.
Nov 22 10:32:36 <Ford_Prefect> But of course, the devil is in the syn^H^H^Hdetails :)
Nov 22 10:32:49 <lcuk> heh
Nov 22 10:38:29 <Ford_Prefect> lbt: so when this is set up, I login at build.pub.meego.com with my meego.com user/pass, right?
Nov 22 10:38:50 <lbt> yes... (now should work)
Nov 22 10:39:19 <Ford_Prefect> "Authentication failed
Nov 22 10:40:01 <lbt> when did you make a meego.com account ?
Nov 22 10:40:20 <lbt> <30mins ?
Nov 22 10:40:23 <Ford_Prefect> Yes
Nov 22 10:40:28 <Ford_Prefect> ~25 atm
Nov 22 10:40:31 <lbt> wait until the next hour
Nov 22 10:40:37 <lbt> 11am in UK
Nov 22 10:40:38 <niala> morning :-|
Nov 22 10:40:52 <Ford_Prefect> Okay
Nov 22 10:40:55 <lbt> new accounts + pw changes sync on the hour
Nov 22 10:41:02 <lbt> niala: morning... cheer up
Nov 22 10:42:14 <arfoll> lbt, ok I'll have a go at trying to write a script to generate an ugly big monolythic RPM, I think that'll be the easiest way
Nov 22 10:43:17 <X-Fade> arfoll: I'd not want that app on my device if they encourage ugly practices like that.
Nov 22 10:43:21 <X-Fade> That is just wrong :)
Nov 22 10:43:38 <arfoll> X-Fade, what you don't want a 50MB rpm package?
Nov 22 10:44:11 <X-Fade> And have the possibility of having the same lib in my device 20 times? :)
Nov 22 10:44:17 <Termana> lbt, when did that start happening? Because I can't login to the community OBS with my meego.com account - or is that only for new accounts?
Nov 22 10:44:32 <arfoll> X-Fade, it's the windows way....
Nov 22 10:44:41 <X-Fade> Termana: We need to enable your account.
Nov 22 10:44:59 <X-Fade> arfoll: Let's not compare with windows ;)
Nov 22 10:45:02 <arfoll> I think the problem is they are expecting either tiny apps or really self contained apps using only libs availabe in core
Nov 22 10:45:24 <X-Fade> Yeah, for simple apps that will do.
Nov 22 10:45:59 <Termana> X-Fade, ah - could you guys do so then please? meego.com username is Termana
Nov 22 10:46:10 <X-Fade> Termana: Sure.
Nov 22 10:46:13 <arfoll> boxee is on the app store but not for moblin...
Nov 22 10:46:44 <X-Fade> Termana: Try now.
Nov 22 10:47:30 <Termana> X-Fade, works thanks :)
Nov 22 10:53:39 <luist> hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing.. what could it be wrong?
Nov 22 10:54:11 <Stskeeps> netbook or handset?
Nov 22 10:57:20 <niala> luist change droid google font is horrible
Nov 22 10:57:35 <luist> netbook
Nov 22 10:57:39 <prometoys> does anybody know if MSSFv2 will still support an "open mode"?
Nov 22 10:58:09 <niala> and why there is google-font  google-browser ?? is commercial ?
Nov 22 10:58:36 <niala> meego-goole thats the real name of meego
Nov 22 11:01:19 <lcuk> GAN900, ping, did you add some tags, I cant see them if you did
Nov 22 11:02:53 <timeless_mbp> arg
Nov 22 11:03:00 <timeless_mbp> how do i find a photo i took?
Nov 22 11:03:14 <timeless_mbp> (no, i don't remember what year, no i don't remember what city/country)
Nov 22 11:03:29 <timeless_mbp> i remember it was green and outside a library, and i didn't tag it
Nov 22 11:03:47 <lcuk> on your own flickr timeline?
Nov 22 11:03:53 <lcuk> or local
Nov 22 11:04:13 <timeless_mbp> um
Nov 22 11:04:20 <timeless_mbp> it could be on one of 5 local memory sticks
Nov 22 11:04:22 <timeless_mbp> or on my mac
Nov 22 11:04:28 <timeless_mbp> or uploaded to a server :)
Nov 22 11:04:35 <timeless_mbp> (not flickr)
Nov 22 11:04:36 <Ford_Prefect> Is there a way to look at the source packages for stuff that you see on meego-commits?
Nov 22 11:04:49 <Ford_Prefect> Packages in Trunk:Testing, for example
Nov 22 11:05:12 <thiago> timeless_mbp: I once read an article on how this will be remembered as the dark ages of information
Nov 22 11:05:22 <thiago> lots of information produced without being catalogued
Nov 22 11:05:29 <timeless_mbp> thiago: sounds about right
Nov 22 11:05:33 <thiago> no tagging, no semantic detection
Nov 22 11:05:43 <thiago> we seem to be emerging from it though
Nov 22 11:08:01 <timeless_mbp> ok, it was warsaw 2009
Nov 22 11:09:09 <timeless_mbp> i don't seem to have geotagged it
Nov 22 11:09:14 <timeless_mbp> which more or less sucks
Nov 22 11:10:38 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: http://www.buw.uw.edu.pl/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=286&Itemid=91 <- this place?
Nov 22 11:10:50 <Stskeeps> (scroll down for panorama)
Nov 22 11:10:54 <timeless_mbp> probably
Nov 22 11:11:01 <timeless_mbp> yep
Nov 22 11:11:15 <timeless_mbp> amazing what a terrible description of a place will get me :)
Nov 22 11:11:47 <Stskeeps> not terribly many tourist-y green places in warsaw
Nov 22 11:11:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 22 11:11:53 <lcuk> thiago, tagging and semantic detection:  how on earth did we cope before?
Nov 22 11:12:07 * lcuk has boxes with real photos
Nov 22 11:13:29 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: yeah, i know
Nov 22 11:13:42 <timeless_mbp> i was pretty sure the words i used to describe it would more or less properly identify my place
Nov 22 11:15:03 <luist> niala: so could that problem be related to font or u just hate google for some reason?
Nov 22 11:19:01 <luist> hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing.. what could it be wrong?
Nov 22 11:20:49 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/wall.png is what i wanted to find
Nov 22 11:20:59 <timeless_mbp> badly stitched, i know
Nov 22 11:21:11 <timeless_mbp> but it's just so people understand what i'm thinking about
Nov 22 11:22:45 <Ford_Prefect> lbt: I still get an "Authentication failed"
Nov 22 11:22:48 <timeless_mbp> oh and the originals are ~1mb apiece
Nov 22 11:24:15 <lbt> Ford_Prefect: try again ... and ping here as you press return so I can pause the log
Nov 22 11:24:36 <Ford_Prefect> lbt: now
Nov 22 11:25:38 <lcuk> ideapad: it seems to idle at 1000mhz
Nov 22 11:25:46 <lcuk> is this right?!
Nov 22 11:26:19 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: mine seems to hibernate
Nov 22 11:26:37 <lcuk> sure after a while
Nov 22 11:28:00 <lcuk> but I can only see it running at 1000 or 1667
Nov 22 11:28:01 <lbt> Ford_Prefect: arunsr  ?
Nov 22 11:28:33 <Ford_Prefect> lbt: yes
Nov 22 11:31:58 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: art is now integrated into https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ :)
Nov 22 11:32:01 <kallam> n
Nov 22 11:32:04 <timeless_mbp> (no ponies)
Nov 22 11:32:24 <timeless_mbp> hrm, i have a seamaid
Nov 22 11:32:27 <timeless_mbp> not quite a pony
Nov 22 11:34:33 <lbt> Ford_Prefect: that's not in our export... we'll have to wait for the US to wake up
Nov 22 11:35:12 <Ford_Prefect> lbt: ah, okay
Nov 22 11:47:22 <lbt> zigbee: lets talk here
Nov 22 11:47:33 <zigbee> ok
Nov 22 11:47:39 <lbt> zigbee: you're not a native speaker ?
Nov 22 11:48:13 <lbt> I see you've done a lot of porting of apps :) Nice
Nov 22 11:48:27 <zigbee> after adding first package "plpa" (htop needs it for built), where i can see/download rpm?
Nov 22 11:48:31 <zigbee> i am from russia
Nov 22 11:49:19 <zigbee> i want to say, i can't see my home here: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/
Nov 22 11:49:51 <adeus> did you publish it?
Nov 22 11:49:52 <lbt> X-Fade: ^^^
Nov 22 11:49:54 <arfoll> zigbee, i have htop built for x86/armv7 in home:arfoll:utils
Nov 22 11:49:58 <lbt> he did
Nov 22 11:50:25 <zigbee> i know, htop is just example for me to understand how to work with OBS
Nov 22 11:50:50 <X-Fade> zigbee: Did you actually build something?
Nov 22 11:51:05 <X-Fade> zigbee: It only publishes when there is actually something to publish.
Nov 22 11:51:09 <zigbee> yes, plpa built success
Nov 22 11:51:20 <lbt> ah
Nov 22 11:51:22 <lbt> hold on
Nov 22 11:51:26 <lbt> https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=plpa&project=home%3Azigbee
Nov 22 11:51:32 <lbt> it is rebuilding now
Nov 22 11:51:53 <lbt> you may have re-triggered it
Nov 22 11:52:09 <lbt> watch it here https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=plpa&project=home%3Azigbee&repository=meego_1.1_core
Nov 22 11:52:16 <arfoll> lbt, it must never have got built in the first place otherwise it would be in the repo
Nov 22 11:52:20 <lbt> (click on the blue "building" link)
Nov 22 11:52:39 <lbt> arfoll: prolly ... but there's a tiny race
Nov 22 11:53:07 <zigbee> wow :)
Nov 22 11:53:09 <arfoll> zigbee, I dont understand the dep for htop, I don't build plpa
Nov 22 11:53:46 <zigbee> strange, in fedora htop depends on plpa
Nov 22 11:53:50 <arfoll> zigbee, you need to do an osc add plpa/* and osc commit to make sure your sources are in there
Nov 22 11:54:03 <zigbee> may be that dependency is optional
Nov 22 11:55:03 <arfoll> I think it's to do with some of the patches fedora had for htop, I removed all of them. My spec is really dirty though I need to clean it up
Nov 22 11:55:18 <Jaffa> lbt: Is there a wiki page which describes building a package (http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial) and getting started with OBS?
Nov 22 11:55:35 <lbt> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building
Nov 22 11:55:46 <Jaffa> lbt: and/or http://wiki.meego.com/Build_System#Packagers.2FDevelopers ?
Nov 22 11:55:47 <lbt> best I've seen :(
Nov 22 11:56:30 <lbt> that's good - not seen it (my fault for not drilling in)
Nov 22 11:57:09 <X-Fade> Let's just say that is an area people can contribute to..
Nov 22 12:01:52 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Indeed.
Nov 22 12:02:16 <zigbee> thanks for help!
Nov 22 12:02:52 <lbt> X-Fade: and we still have hostname issues ... the .repo file is wrong
Nov 22 12:03:07 * zigbee gone to read manuals and wiki
Nov 22 12:03:34 <X-Fade> lbt: Yes, we might need to do some sed magic.
Nov 22 12:05:07 <zinit> annoying not being able to play with the ideapad at work when there's nothing to do.... company policy not to use private laptops at work....
Nov 22 12:05:14 <lcuk_idea> timoph: do you have link/wiki page for your repo please.
Nov 22 12:05:38 <zinit> would be nice if someone would make a list of the repos that works
Nov 22 12:05:55 <zinit> there are many listed various places that doesnt work
Nov 22 12:07:25 <zinit> anyone here checked up on 3G cards yet? and if so, does it work in meego?
Nov 22 12:07:31 <luist> hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing.. what could it be wrong?
Nov 22 12:07:50 <zinit> sounds like you got a screwed driver
Nov 22 12:08:00 <lbt> zinit: we really want to discourage 'lists of repos'
Nov 22 12:08:05 <zinit> or need to check your config
Nov 22 12:08:10 <lbt> *huge* pain in the maemo community from that
Nov 22 12:08:37 <lbt> hence the community OBS allowing ppa-like functionality (until we get more team/extras sorted)
Nov 22 12:08:41 <Mek> doesn't obs in a way encourage people having them own repos?
Nov 22 12:08:43 <zinit> would make it easier if there was a list of "official" repos that works
Nov 22 12:09:00 <lbt> Mek: yes... but all on meego.com as part of a community
Nov 22 12:09:01 <timoph> lcuk_idea: I posted it in the forums
Nov 22 12:09:20 <lbt> forums? of what do you speak ?
Nov 22 12:09:29 <timoph> lcuk_idea: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2020
Nov 22 12:09:31 <timoph> :)
Nov 22 12:09:34 <lbt> those things that *STILL* don't have an email bridge !!!
Nov 22 12:09:34 <lcuk> of course timoph and you are on the highly Thanks! list too http://forum.meego.com/thankedposts.php
Nov 22 12:10:44 <timoph> oh. haven't noticed that you can sort the threads that way
Nov 22 12:11:57 <timoph> but it would be a good idea to collect repo links to some wiki page
Nov 22 12:12:13 <CosmoHill> helo people
Nov 22 12:12:27 <timoph> lo
Nov 22 12:13:44 <lbt> timoph: can we have a wiki page for ITP
Nov 22 12:13:55 <lbt> err, intent to package/port
Nov 22 12:14:16 <lbt> kinda like a namespace registration page
Nov 22 12:14:37 <lbt> could also have link to the repo/ppa that hosts it
Nov 22 12:15:01 <timoph> yep
Nov 22 12:15:03 * CosmoHill might make mpi for meego
Nov 22 12:15:25 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP
Nov 22 12:16:46 <CosmoHill> lbt: nice to see the OBS url up ^.^
Nov 22 12:17:56 <arfoll> lbt, what is the community obs running on? it only has one worker?
Nov 22 12:18:19 <X-Fade> arfoll: It will have more soon.
Nov 22 12:18:20 <CosmoHill> 'extras" would be things people might like but won't be shipped by default
Nov 22 12:18:47 <arfoll> X-Fade, is it going to have some dedicated armv7 workers too?
Nov 22 12:19:21 <X-Fade> arfoll: Why would that need to setup?
Nov 22 12:19:58 <arfoll> X-Fade, just wondering it would be cool to have some fast armv7 pandaboards
Nov 22 12:20:16 <X-Fade> arfoll: Crossbuild is so much faster anyway.
Nov 22 12:20:41 <X-Fade> And until we have armv7 servers with multiple GBs of RAM, we can't use them anyway.
Nov 22 12:20:50 <arfoll> ah yeah that's true
Nov 22 12:21:11 <X-Fade> Would be cool though ;) Just not practicle.
Nov 22 12:21:51 <arfoll> building my first packages for amrv7 and i understood the slight perf problems...
Nov 22 12:22:23 <lbt> dedicated arm is not for us... but there are people doing that with OBS :)
Nov 22 12:22:28 * niala another hard disk broken with brtfs an ssd and an 3"
Nov 22 12:26:57 <Martijn_> hi there
Nov 22 12:27:02 <Martijn_> ive got a question
Nov 22 12:27:20 <Martijn_> when will meego be available to NAND install on the N900?
Nov 22 12:27:32 <Stskeeps> never, we used to have it like that, but meego's too fat
Nov 22 12:27:39 <Martijn_> because when i try i get the usb_bulk_write error
Nov 22 12:27:48 <Martijn_> that sux
Nov 22 12:28:02 <lcuk> who was looking at the multitouch stuff on the ideapad
Nov 22 12:28:13 <Martijn_> so the only way is to use an SDHC card?
Nov 22 12:28:57 <Ford_Prefect> There is the chroot
Nov 22 12:29:50 <Martijn_> hmmm... well, i'll try the multi boot way with an external card
Nov 22 12:30:02 <Martijn_> i guess that does work?
Nov 22 12:30:17 <lcuk> Martijn_, down dark corridors and in test labs people have used the internal emmc to put meego on, but its highly non standard and has double impact in both recoverability and reuse
Nov 22 12:31:36 <Martijn_> hmmz. ok, tnx for the answers :)
Nov 22 12:38:15 <lolloo> hellooo0oo MeeGo fans
Nov 22 12:38:27 <x_O> Hi, how to gain access to http://tl.meego.com/ is this public resource?
Nov 22 12:38:46 <CosmoHill> lbt: maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll try and build MPI on the cobs and write down how I did it so I can teach others
Nov 22 12:39:07 <lolloo> x_O : what is that!
Nov 22 12:39:16 <lbt> nod
Nov 22 12:39:19 <lolloo> needs username and pass
Nov 22 12:39:32 <x_O> its test link instance
Nov 22 12:39:40 <CosmoHill> I'd guess it's not public then
Nov 22 12:40:00 <Stskeeps> x_O: ask on meego-qa mailing list
Nov 22 12:40:16 <x_O> we are intereset i QA process for meego,
Nov 22 12:40:19 <x_O> Stskeeps, ok
Nov 22 12:56:31 <TrackerDPP> hello all
Nov 22 13:02:08 <niala> someone is using evolution? Can I choose the keyboard shortcuts?
Nov 22 13:08:40 <andre__> niala: keyboard shortcuts like...?
Nov 22 13:10:23 <RST38h> wazd: hey
Nov 22 13:10:30 <RST38h> wazd: are you back? =)
Nov 22 13:10:48 <niala> like next unread.
Nov 22 13:11:11 <andre__> niala: that shortcut is . on the desktop. don't know, did you try?
Nov 22 13:13:23 <niala> yes and need 2 finger is to much for me :)
Nov 22 13:13:47 <andre__> for a dot you need two fingers? what hardware are you on?
Nov 22 13:14:03 <fcrozat> andre__: french keyboard :)
Nov 22 13:14:06 <X-Fade> andre__: azerty does that :)
Nov 22 13:14:17 <andre__> geez
Nov 22 13:14:19 <niala> yes fr keyboard
Nov 22 13:14:43 <fcrozat> same for [ or for digits
Nov 22 13:14:50 <X-Fade> I'd just set it to qwerty and not look at the keys, but that is just me ;)
Nov 22 13:15:02 <niala> thank you guy for understand me :)
Nov 22 13:18:08 <sivang> luck: ah , okay
Nov 22 13:18:12 <sivang> luck: good
Nov 22 13:19:45 * sivang fetches for the page again
Nov 22 13:26:11 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, spellchecking observation:  my badge is one example :P
Nov 22 13:32:48 <lcuk> multitouch is funky o_O
Nov 22 13:33:11 <lcuk> but I can see how it passes boobie test and potentially how other devices dont
Nov 22 13:42:50 <sivang> luck: where's the page btw?
Nov 22 13:42:57 <sivang> luck: the wiki is playing tricks on me today
Nov 22 13:48:25 <lcuk> sivang, which page
Nov 22 13:49:23 <sivang> lcuk: proper vkeyboard planning
Nov 22 13:51:45 <lcuk> sivang, pages:
Nov 22 13:51:49 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/Input_Method_Framework/MeeGo_1.1
Nov 22 13:51:57 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard
Nov 22 13:52:22 <lcuk> the predictive one is a proposal/starting point for something discussed at the conf
Nov 22 13:52:38 <lcuk> marnanel has started it off in fine fashion and discussion is ongoing
Nov 22 13:54:57 <sivang> lcuk: thanks
Nov 22 13:56:34 <niala> tt
Nov 22 13:57:51 <lcuk> I was looking at the mouse input point stream last night
Nov 22 13:58:03 <aruiz> has anyone had any luck trying to poweron an ARM run for the meego handset release?
Nov 22 13:58:13 <lcuk> and whilst the cursor in x11 is only a single cursor, the reported positions are coming in interleaved
Nov 22 13:58:32 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png
Nov 22 13:58:55 <lcuk> that was a 2 finger gesture from right to left
Nov 22 13:59:03 <aruiz> I keep getting this error: http://pastebin.com/H9Axeq4V
Nov 22 13:59:24 <GAN900> Inspiron Duo actually looks nice.
Nov 22 13:59:42 <lcuk> aruiz, did you check if that file exists?
Nov 22 13:59:55 <lcuk> GAN900, did you by chance tag any photos
Nov 22 14:00:09 <lcuk> i cant find out how to tag them myself and noticed tim tagged some last night
Nov 22 14:00:13 <aruiz> lcuk: well, obviously it doesn't, where do I get it?
Nov 22 14:01:17 <lcuk> aruiz, thats a maemo image if i am not mistaken
Nov 22 14:01:57 <aruiz> lcuk: does that mean that there's no ARM image for meego handset atm?
Nov 22 14:02:03 <GAN900> lcuk, only my own.
Nov 22 14:02:11 <GAN900> lcuk, haven't done enough people yet.
Nov 22 14:03:03 <lcuk> aruiz, since you have jumped in at a strange point, not sure which instructions you are following or if you are trying to get madde to emulate meego image
Nov 22 14:03:15 <lcuk> but there are certainly instructions for configuring madde with meego :)
Nov 22 14:03:46 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux
Nov 22 14:03:47 <aruiz> lcuk: well, I'm trying to boot the handset release with x86, but it hangs at the SYSLINUX stage
Nov 22 14:03:56 <aruiz> that's the instructions I am following
Nov 22 14:04:08 <aruiz> I was wondering if the ARM release would have the same problem
Nov 22 14:06:09 <aruiz> lcuk: creating the target works, is the runtime bit that fails
Nov 22 14:06:17 <lcuk> well aruiz since that page does not mention running the command you showed failing
Nov 22 14:06:34 <aruiz> lcuk: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes
Nov 22 14:07:03 <lcuk> and instead points you towards meego images http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Install_MeeGo_Target
Nov 22 14:07:06 <lcuk> instead of maemo ones
Nov 22 14:07:13 <lcuk> I think you need to carefully reread the docs
Nov 22 14:08:52 <sx0n> http://gigaom.com/2010/11/18/its-gonna-be-an-android-world-and-well-just-live-in-it/
Nov 22 14:09:12 <sx0n> ...*sigh*
Nov 22 14:09:37 <RST38h> The End Is Coming! Run For Your Lives?
Nov 22 14:09:45 <tybollt> RST38h: ?
Nov 22 14:09:46 <aruiz> lcuk: I did, the problem is, apparently there's no installable runtime for meego 1.1 handset in ARM
Nov 22 14:10:56 <berndhs> RST38h: again ?
Nov 22 14:11:19 <RST38h> Ah, a close examination of the nice pie graph they have got in there indicates that it is ADVERTISING IMPRESSIONS
Nov 22 14:11:48 <RST38h> Based on that, the authors make a conclusion that the Android will dominate. Interesting logic.
Nov 22 14:11:48 <sx0n> Androids has taken the control,... i still wonder how they manager get the symbian down to 2%
Nov 22 14:12:09 <RST38h> sx0n: Read the text carefully.
Nov 22 14:12:11 <tybollt> sx0n: what RST38h says...
Nov 22 14:12:15 <berndhs> impressions, that's they number of times the ad has been loaded into a browser, right ?
Nov 22 14:12:21 <tybollt> sx0n: advert impressions...
Nov 22 14:12:25 <RST38h> berndhs: yes
Nov 22 14:12:33 <Ford_Prefect> in the US only
Nov 22 14:12:58 <tybollt> so all it says is... "nokia does a pisspoor job at adevertising in the US" which... is not news :)
Nov 22 14:13:38 <Ford_Prefect> I read advertising impressions as impressions on mobile ads from devices running foo OS.
Nov 22 14:13:52 <dm8tbr> tybollt: which for me would be rather an argument for nokia and against android... eye of the beholder and all
Nov 22 14:14:03 <sx0n> yeah. but hey.. meego is at least coming, it's good thing. i would rather live in meego world than android world. That would end like in that tom hanks movie.
Nov 22 14:14:04 <Ford_Prefect> (which the footnote text does bear out)
Nov 22 14:15:16 <sx0n> hm. bruce willis actually.
Nov 22 14:17:50 <Ford_Prefect> Android will kill the terrorists after walking over broken glass and cussing till it's blue?
Nov 22 14:18:35 <lolloo> hehehe
Nov 22 14:18:59 <zinit> killin leads to paperwork and messy cleanups... better to undermine and discredit them:)
Nov 22 14:33:31 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: yeah
Nov 22 14:35:06 <timeless_mbp> ok
Nov 22 14:35:08 <timeless_mbp> we're here?
Nov 22 14:35:11 <javispedro> yep
Nov 22 14:35:11 <lcuk> \o
Nov 22 14:35:19 <lolloo> guys how do I get to MeeGo repos?
Nov 22 14:35:28 <timeless_mbp> c:\program files\lenovo\lenovo screen rotation\screenrotationsettings.exe
Nov 22 14:35:31 <timeless_mbp> path on the ideapad
Nov 22 14:36:01 <javispedro> I have a kernel input driver outputting raw accelerometer values already http://gitorious.org/iaps/iaps
Nov 22 14:36:38 <javispedro> ranges are ~ 400...720 , and jitter is ~ 6
Nov 22 14:36:45 <lcuk> multitouch input is comging through x11 but its interleaved with normal commands and the mouse driver already filters it to be single
Nov 22 14:36:48 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png
Nov 22 14:36:50 <javispedro> so it can be stabilized IMO
Nov 22 14:36:51 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: anyway, did you try running that app?
Nov 22 14:36:58 <andre__> lolloo, http://repo.meego.com/ ?
Nov 22 14:37:01 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: yes, it sucks as you said -- too sensitive
Nov 22 14:37:06 <timeless_mbp> :)
Nov 22 14:37:30 <jonnor> javispedro: the Ideapad has an accelerometer?
Nov 22 14:37:33 <lcuk> yes
Nov 22 14:37:45 <lolloo> hi andre__
Nov 22 14:38:02 <javispedro> btw use the driver at your own risk =) (obvious reasons: no official docs...)
Nov 22 14:38:07 <jonnor> Nice, I did not spot that when prodding about. I guess it was due to the lack of a kernel driver
Nov 22 14:38:18 <rhalff> hi
Nov 22 14:38:56 <rhalff> where does the poulsbo psb driver come from ?
Nov 22 14:39:21 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, javispedro happily the ideapad passes boobie test :)
Nov 22 14:39:22 <rhalff> I want to use it in gentoo, but can't find where it originates ? is it a ubuntu made driver ?
Nov 22 14:39:31 <lcuk> on windows at least :P
Nov 22 14:39:38 <javispedro> lcuk: on windows the touchscreen only recognized up to two finger too?
Nov 22 14:39:44 <lcuk> yes
Nov 22 14:39:45 <javispedro> *fingers though
Nov 22 14:39:50 <lcuk> but when you open paint
Nov 22 14:39:57 <lcuk> and draw a pair of boobies they remain as circles
Nov 22 14:40:17 <javispedro> the boobies test lol
Nov 22 14:40:20 <lcuk> other lesser hardware (normally the large format MT all in ones..) fail
Nov 22 14:40:35 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: what's w/ these ideapads? conference atendees are being handed ideapads? :)
Nov 22 14:40:35 <rhalff> yeah multitouch opens up a whole new spectrum of new ideas for online p0rn, or wasn't that the subject ? :p
Nov 22 14:40:54 <lcuk> javispedro, http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4
Nov 22 14:40:57 <javispedro> lcuk: I wonder if the two fingers limitation comes from the hw or the windows driver?
Nov 22 14:41:02 <aruiz> rhalff: hah
Nov 22 14:41:08 <lcuk> javispedro, its the same on x11
Nov 22 14:41:14 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: yes
Nov 22 14:41:15 <javispedro> oh
Nov 22 14:41:21 <javispedro> well, I guess two fingers is better than one =)
Nov 22 14:41:24 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: unless nokia/intel paid your way
Nov 22 14:41:29 <lcuk> i was doing some checks with 1/2/3/4 fingers
Nov 22 14:41:29 <timeless_mbp> in which case you might not have gotten one
Nov 22 14:41:38 <lcuk> and the screen itself only appears to offer 2
Nov 22 14:41:38 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: How are _you_ coping (thinking of the latter part of your nickname ;)?
Nov 22 14:42:00 <lcuk> tybollt, timeless_mbp has an ideapad also
Nov 22 14:42:12 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: it's timeless_w7ip
Nov 22 14:42:16 <timeless_mbp> it's been on for a bit
Nov 22 14:42:16 <tybollt> ;)
Nov 22 14:42:21 <timeless_mbp> but it likes going to sleep
Nov 22 14:42:23 <javispedro> lcuk: yes, it seems to do a good job on the "boobies test" :)
Nov 22 14:42:26 <lcuk> he is just being a heathen and using substandard tech
Nov 22 14:42:34 <tybollt> lcuk: :D
Nov 22 14:42:39 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: wise men study their competition
Nov 22 14:42:53 <lcuk> wiser men write reports on it too
Nov 22 14:43:01 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: i'm going to file bugs about stuff
Nov 22 14:43:05 <rhalff> @random_questions: does the emgd driver work in meego with vaapi ?
Nov 22 14:43:07 <lcuk> ++
Nov 22 14:43:37 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: have you looked at my slides?
Nov 22 14:43:46 <tybollt> lcuk: which ideapad is it that is being passed around, I mean, what model?
Nov 22 14:43:54 <javispedro> s10-3t
Nov 22 14:43:54 <timeless_mbp> S10-t3
Nov 22 14:43:56 <lcuk> S10-3t
Nov 22 14:43:59 <tybollt> danke
Nov 22 14:44:00 <tybollt>  :)
Nov 22 14:44:06 <javispedro> the one without wimax or 3
Nov 22 14:44:06 <javispedro> g
Nov 22 14:44:07 <timeless_mbp> oh yeah lcuk got it right
Nov 22 14:44:18 * timeless_mbp was reading it upside down
Nov 22 14:44:18 <lcuk> its got a sim slot tho
Nov 22 14:44:30 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: where?
Nov 22 14:44:33 <timeless_mbp> i saw a card reader driver
Nov 22 14:44:33 <lcuk> does that have a driver to read the contents from?
Nov 22 14:44:36 <timeless_mbp> but couldn't find a slot
Nov 22 14:44:37 <lcuk> under the battery
Nov 22 14:44:41 <timeless_mbp> oh
Nov 22 14:44:41 <odin_> under the battery
Nov 22 14:44:44 <lcuk> normal place for a sim :P
Nov 22 14:44:47 <timeless_mbp> well...
Nov 22 14:44:48 <jonnor> lcuk: is there actually hardware in there?
Nov 22 14:44:50 <GAN900> Jaffa, damn, yesterday was Sunday, wasn't it?
Nov 22 14:44:50 <timeless_mbp> there is a driver for a card reader
Nov 22 14:44:53 <javispedro> lcuk: do not try and fit anything inside it, there's no hardware behind it
Nov 22 14:44:54 <timeless_mbp> i've seen that
Nov 22 14:45:02 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: really?
Nov 22 14:45:11 <timeless_mbp> then why is there a card reader driver installed in w7?
Nov 22 14:45:18 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: sd card, maybe?
Nov 22 14:45:21 <lcuk> what good is a slot in the backside if you cant push things into it
Nov 22 14:45:27 <jonnor> timeless_mbp: for the sd card slot on the front?
Nov 22 14:45:31 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: sd/ms/mmc card reader iirc
Nov 22 14:45:41 <timeless_mbp> jonnor: ah, i didn't spot that slot
Nov 22 14:45:43 <timeless_mbp> thanks :)
Nov 22 14:45:55 <lcuk> do the contacts on n900 get pushed to its sim?
Nov 22 14:46:05 <lcuk> or are they just stored in the database
Nov 22 14:46:20 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: not normally
Nov 22 14:46:26 <timeless_mbp> you can try to move stuff into the sim if you want
Nov 22 14:46:33 <timeless_mbp> but sim support for contact fields is awful
Nov 22 14:46:37 <timeless_mbp> so you don't get happy round trips
Nov 22 14:46:38 <lcuk> ok will have to get syncing working then
Nov 22 14:46:46 <timeless_mbp> the UI is in the menu
Nov 22 14:46:48 <javispedro> from what I gather from some other s10 users you can actually fit a 3g modem on a pciexpress slot that sits near the sim slot
Nov 22 14:46:49 <lcuk> yeah I understand
Nov 22 14:46:51 <lcuk> bare bones
Nov 22 14:47:07 <Stskeeps> g
Nov 22 14:47:25 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: in the menu, tap Groups
Nov 22 14:47:27 <lbt> csw_ocube: here is fine :)
Nov 22 14:47:29 <lcuk> how do I reconnect webchat without closing the window and reentering details?
Nov 22 14:47:33 <timeless_mbp> in there is "SIM card contacts"
Nov 22 14:47:34 <lcuk> thanks timeless_mbp
Nov 22 14:47:38 <timeless_mbp> well, unless you're using Nokia Fingrish
Nov 22 14:47:42 <timeless_mbp> in which case, good luck
Nov 22 14:47:45 <jonnor> lcuk: /reconnect ?
Nov 22 14:47:49 <timeless_mbp> (or just upgrade...)
Nov 22 14:47:51 <lcuk> ta, will try it
Nov 22 14:48:13 <Jaffa> GAN900: It was Sunday yesterday, yes ;-)
Nov 22 14:48:16 <javispedro> there's also a socket for what seemingly is tv-in on the chassis =)
Nov 22 14:48:17 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: has the GUI come lots further on the netbook side of things than on the handheld?
Nov 22 14:48:27 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: um
Nov 22 14:48:31 <Jaffa> tybollt: Well, you can do some stuff.
Nov 22 14:48:32 <javispedro> clearly, the lenovo guys reuse the same chassis for all s10-3t models
Nov 22 14:48:35 <timeless_mbp> you're asking someone who has w7starter running on his lap
Nov 22 14:48:54 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: ditch starter btw, the onboard keyboard is awful
Nov 22 14:49:03 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: it mostly works
Nov 22 14:49:05 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: the pro one is much, much better (you can use the tabletpc edition one)
Nov 22 14:49:15 <timeless_mbp> the thing that bothers me about starter is that i can't use snipping tool!
Nov 22 14:49:19 <tybollt> Jaffa: the n900 demo was ... not much use when I tried it... basically ... is the netbook GUI... further evolved than that?
Nov 22 14:49:34 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: how much is the upgrade cost to pro?
Nov 22 14:49:43 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: -$20 from full price
Nov 22 14:49:53 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: so, a lot.
Nov 22 14:49:57 * javispedro has MSDNAA :)
Nov 22 14:50:01 <timeless_mbp> um, **** you
Nov 22 14:50:25 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: have you looked at my current slide set?
Nov 22 14:50:35 <javispedro> I was at your session
Nov 22 14:50:45 <javispedro> excellent one btw, one of the best imo
Nov 22 14:51:06 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: URL?
Nov 22 14:51:14 <timeless_mbp> https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ
Nov 22 14:51:26 <tybollt> woiw that was instant :D
Nov 22 14:51:50 <javispedro> ah, not THAT session :)
Nov 22 14:53:38 <timeless_mbp> note that this slide set is really not done
Nov 22 14:53:38 <andybleaden> hi.anyone been able to get the gnome-appearance-settings to actually change things.cannot seem to make any difference here at all
Nov 22 14:53:42 <timeless_mbp> it wants feedback and editing
Nov 22 14:53:51 <timeless_mbp> oh, and suggestions for art are welcome
Nov 22 14:54:03 <timeless_mbp> but don't ask for a pony, that's already covered by slide 43 :)
Nov 22 14:54:36 <tybollt> PINK pony!
Nov 22 14:54:39 <timeless_mbp> err 42
Nov 22 14:54:40 <GAN900> Jaffa, yeah, I'm going to blame that on jetlag or something.
Nov 22 14:54:44 * timeless_mbp moves a slide
Nov 22 14:54:49 <andybleaden> looking to try to change the theme and cursor
Nov 22 14:54:51 <GAN900> Jaffa, issue creation went OK, I guess?
Nov 22 14:54:51 <Myrtti> PPPPPPIIIINNKKKKK
Nov 22 14:54:51 <javispedro> well, gtg
Nov 22 14:54:52 <Jaffa> GAN900: Sounds sensible ;-)
Nov 22 14:55:07 <Jaffa> GAN900: I cut 100 wonderful articles due to lack of time to edit them</sarcasm>
Nov 22 14:55:25 <Jaffa> tybollt: Well, yeah - it's almost usable as a netbook OS if you can live with the weirdities.
Nov 22 14:55:31 <GAN900> Hehe
Nov 22 14:56:09 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: slide 42 currently has a pinkish merwooman
Nov 22 14:56:09 <GAN900> Jaffa, well, I owe you next week, I guess. ;)
Nov 22 14:56:12 <timeless_mbp> s/oo/o/
Nov 22 14:56:12 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: tybollt: slide 42 currently has a pinkish merwoman
Nov 22 14:56:33 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: I'm stairing at it now and it is terribly red, I'm afraid :)
Nov 22 14:56:46 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: that's the background
Nov 22 14:56:54 <tybollt> fair enough :)
Nov 22 14:57:01 <timeless_mbp> :)
Nov 22 14:57:07 <tybollt> anyway you should censor the boobies
Nov 22 14:57:32 <tybollt> you don't want to upset the PC movement ;)
Nov 22 14:58:10 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: http://bip.warszawa.pl/English/Main_Menu/capital_city_of_warsaw/coat_of_arms_colours.htm
Nov 22 14:58:33 <timeless_mbp> she won't stick around forever
Nov 22 14:58:44 <tybollt> gdansk > warsaw, but yeah ;)
Nov 22 14:59:17 <lcuk> that warsaw coat of arms mermaid, is it stskeeps wife?  since he is the merman :P
Nov 22 14:59:32 <tybollt> this is getting freaky
Nov 22 15:00:18 * RST38h likes Polish criminal police uniforms way better
Nov 22 15:00:19 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: that's just to silence the requests for ponies
Nov 22 15:00:23 <mortenmj> trying to use the meego compliance tools. i'm unable to install via zypper from within my image (claims it's already installed, but when i try "zypper info" it says there's no such package) and when i try to access the OBS to download it myself i'm told to log in. any ideas?
Nov 22 15:00:29 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: url or it didn't happen :)
Nov 22 15:00:55 <RST38h> a moment
Nov 22 15:02:55 <GAN900> Lenovo is much better with Ubuntu.
Nov 22 15:03:59 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: than?
Nov 22 15:04:09 <GAN900> MeeGo
Nov 22 15:04:16 <GAN900> Although Unity sucks.
Nov 22 15:04:40 <andybleaden> GAN900, I don't know. Meego is working fine and dandy on my Lenovo S10-2
Nov 22 15:05:00 <GAN900> I actually wouldn't mind using the thing if there screen weren't so terrible.
Nov 22 15:05:12 <sivang> lcuk: notes added. Note that word completion is in Maemo and is learning text your type on the go, maybe we can base some work on that one.
Nov 22 15:05:15 <andybleaden> GAN900, Agree about Unity...really did not work on this netbook
Nov 22 15:05:18 <GAN900> Aside from the ACPI irritations it WORKS fine
Nov 22 15:05:25 <GAN900> I just don't LIKE it.
Nov 22 15:05:26 <lcuk> sivang, \o/ awesome
Nov 22 15:05:31 <lcuk> link again
Nov 22 15:05:44 <sivang> lcuk: you mean to maemo's completion?
Nov 22 15:05:47 <sivang> or ours?
Nov 22 15:05:52 <andybleaden> GAN900, that was why I kept going back and hacking moblin
Nov 22 15:05:54 <sivang> http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard#2010-11-22
Nov 22 15:06:00 <lcuk> GAN900, thats good, now explain in careful terms where its wrong and together we might make it beeter :)
Nov 22 15:06:08 <lcuk> sivang, i mean back to the page you just edited
Nov 22 15:06:12 <GAN900> lcuk, doubt it.
Nov 22 15:06:19 <sivang> lcuk: see 3 lines up
Nov 22 15:06:20 <GAN900> Issues seems rather fundamental.
Nov 22 15:06:25 <lcuk> roger sivang \o
Nov 22 15:06:26 <sivang> hey GAN900 :)
Nov 22 15:06:45 <lcuk> GAN900, you have only seen one installation, consider it a base camp
Nov 22 15:06:45 <RST38h> Shit, can't find the link, got eaten by the Internet most likely
Nov 22 15:06:54 <andybleaden> GAN900, Mine is more how I like it now tho (bought moblin stuff across)
Nov 22 15:07:33 <lcuk> andybleaden, have you gotten involved in the ITP stuff timoph and lbt are starting
Nov 22 15:07:54 <lcuk> if you can already port packages and bring them then making a few available will be good
Nov 22 15:08:24 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP
Nov 22 15:08:40 <andybleaden> lcuk, what is that then?
Nov 22 15:08:47 <lcuk> ^^
Nov 22 15:08:52 <lcuk> ta david \o
Nov 22 15:09:10 <andybleaden> lcuk, oh ok will look at that then
Nov 22 15:09:14 <lbt> csw_ocube: asking here is fine :)
Nov 22 15:09:34 <lcuk> hm lbt, perhaps we could do with some explanation and links to how to actually add repos and stuff
Nov 22 15:09:44 <lcuk> lemme see if I can dig up some of that from the forum link
Nov 22 15:09:49 <lcuk> (which would also be good to link to
Nov 22 15:09:58 <lbt> csw_ocube: by which I mean not /msg
Nov 22 15:10:43 <timeless_mbp> hey?
Nov 22 15:10:51 <andybleaden>  lcuk when I said hacking I meant breaking! :) I cannot write apps though. I just hacked into the Moblin live image for themes and stuff
Nov 22 15:10:52 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: do you do BT stuff?
Nov 22 15:11:02 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, ?
Nov 22 15:11:08 <timeless_mbp> windows has a way to support autoconfiguring WiFi using a USB stick and some magic file
Nov 22 15:11:12 <lcuk> BT as in british Telecom, or BT as in bluetooth
Nov 22 15:11:17 <timeless_mbp> the latter
Nov 22 15:11:26 <timeless_mbp> it'd be kinda cool if meego could support that
Nov 22 15:11:34 <timeless_mbp> in a couple of forms:
Nov 22 15:11:45 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, with my very first ISP installation in windows (circa 2000), there was a magic file also
Nov 22 15:11:48 <timeless_mbp> 1. if you stick in a usb stick w/ that magic file, it should be able to offer to auto configure wifi
Nov 22 15:11:55 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: did it work? :)
Nov 22 15:11:59 <lcuk> yes :)
Nov 22 15:12:01 <lcuk> ukonline
Nov 22 15:12:04 <lcuk> got me online :)
Nov 22 15:12:15 <lbt> csw_ocube: ?
Nov 22 15:12:21 <GAN900> lcuk, one installation of what? A MeeGo UX?
Nov 22 15:12:42 <lcuk> GAN900, yes the first dedicated meego installation for many
Nov 22 15:13:32 <tybollt> 16:04 < timeless_mbp> 1. if you stick in a usb stick w/ that magic file, it should be able to offer to auto  configure wifi
Nov 22 15:13:41 <tybollt> what the hell does that have to do w/ BT? :-S
Nov 22 15:13:42 <GAN900> lcuk, well, I'm not commenting on anything but the Netbook UX.
Nov 22 15:14:12 <tybollt> GAN900: Is it any good?
Nov 22 15:14:56 * tybollt has a Sony Vaio P at home sitting around unused due to EPIC poulsbo fail... would it benefit from having meego on it at this point?
Nov 22 15:15:02 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: oh, it'd be nice if we could somehow do it for bt too
Nov 22 15:15:05 <timeless_mbp> i guess
Nov 22 15:15:14 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: aaah, well yeah sure
Nov 22 15:15:21 <dm8tbr> \o/ MeeGo unlike *buntu offers the timezone UTC in the install wizzard! <3
Nov 22 15:17:43 <lcuk> it seems that sshd isnt available/running on my ideapad
Nov 22 15:18:09 <lcuk> ahh
Nov 22 15:18:15 <lcuk> openssh-server
Nov 22 15:22:22 <Jaffa> dm8tbr: Hmm, that reminds me - I wonder if anyone's raised the equivalent of https://bugs.maemo.org/303 yet for MeeGo.
Nov 22 15:22:24 <povbot> Bug 303: Clock should allow configurable 12h/24h display
Nov 22 15:22:26 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=303 maj, High, 1.0, abockover, VERI FIXED, Media player(banshee) crash after launch
Nov 22 15:22:31 <slaine> andybleaden: curious as to what you brought over from Moblin ?
Nov 22 15:23:23 <andybleaden> Oh..i could not break it any more
Nov 22 15:23:29 <andybleaden> oh ..he left
Nov 22 15:28:58 <Jaffa> Anyone know how to determine "BUILD IMAGE", or what we installed at the conf. was?
Nov 22 15:30:57 <Jaffa> Anyway, bug 10310 raised
Nov 22 15:31:00 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 nor, Undecided, ---, tf, NEW, Configuration setting for 12/24h not respected in toolbar clock
Nov 22 15:31:34 <odin_> Jaffa,  netbook-ia32-x86_64-20101110124 ?
Nov 22 15:32:52 <niala> image at conf was a "special" image ?
Nov 22 15:33:13 <lcuk> niala, on tablets-dev
Nov 22 15:33:28 <lcuk> it was noted it was only there because it was built outside the normal daily/weekly
Nov 22 15:33:42 <lcuk> and integration will occur asap
Nov 22 15:33:55 <niala> ahh ok thanks
Nov 22 15:34:38 <Jaffa> odin_: Thanks. How did you work that out?!
Nov 22 15:34:41 <Myrtti> is there even a way of telling it the week starts from Monday?
Nov 22 15:35:04 <odin_> have USB stick plugged in, and did "file -sL /dev/sdc1" on it
Nov 22 15:35:50 <odin_> it is the ISO label
Nov 22 15:36:01 <dm8tbr> meh, seems virtualbox and meego1.1 netbook image don't like each other. at least the http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox instructions don't seem to work. GUI keeps crashing until init throttles it
Nov 22 15:36:10 <Jaffa> odin_: Ah, I gave my USB stick back cos I'm a good boy ;-)
Nov 22 15:36:35 <odin_> we were meant to hand them back ?  opps....
Nov 22 15:37:52 <lcuk> jaffa, I went back and requested a stick and was given one without a red stripe on it
Nov 22 15:38:14 <odin_> what does red stripe mean (mine does not have one either) ?
Nov 22 15:38:29 <Jaffa> odin_: Broadcom drivers, IIRC
Nov 22 15:38:32 <lcuk> the red stripe version includes binary drivers
Nov 22 15:38:32 <Jaffa> lcuk: Ah, cool
Nov 22 15:39:17 <lcuk> the nice lady at the desk explained why I couldnt have one of those but that I was ok to have the open one
Nov 22 15:39:17 <Bostik> okay, I have a rough (= it builds into packages, but some modules had to be skipped) QtMobility 1.1 spec-file, along with the associated patches; how should I proceed to make them useful for those who actually work on the meego-side packaging?
Nov 22 15:39:43 <lcuk> Bostik, firstly, test them
Nov 22 15:39:49 <lcuk> do you have obs link/branches
Nov 22 15:39:51 <lcuk> so people can try
Nov 22 15:40:10 <Bostik> private obs at the moment
Nov 22 15:40:15 <lcuk> once its known they are fine, they should be offered as a merge request to the gitorious I assume
Nov 22 15:40:53 <Bostik> I know painfully well that as they are now, they are still incomplete
Nov 22 15:41:14 <Bostik> this was something we needed for our own project
Nov 22 15:43:03 <lcuk> Bostik, I know you have said
Nov 22 15:44:06 <lcuk> Bostik, perhaps #qt-mobility would be a good place to ask :)
Nov 22 15:44:39 <Bostik> ah, of course :)
Nov 22 15:44:42 * lcuk is on another version of that channel and mentioned your hacking initially, but now you may have something potential it might be an idea to follow with them
Nov 22 15:44:54 <lcuk> and see if a merge request for that portion would be acceptible
Nov 22 16:10:49 <Mat_Matan> hi
Nov 22 16:35:59 <luist> hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the dynamic text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing now.. what could it be wrong?
Nov 22 16:41:08 <notmart> luist: could be related to http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10258
Nov 22 16:41:18 <mortenmj> any of you used the meego compliance tools? it tells me "WARNING:root:rpm: Error format intermedia data, skip!"
Nov 22 16:43:38 <luist> notmart: thanks
Nov 22 17:01:41 <WIIman> hello
Nov 22 17:19:41 <lcuk> hello WIIman \o
Nov 22 17:21:53 <WIIman> hello
Nov 22 17:22:19 <WIIman> how are you today
Nov 22 17:22:39 <WIIman> lcuk
Nov 22 17:25:47 <lcuk> WIIman, I am ok
Nov 22 17:26:52 <nuovodna> hi, the weekly images of meego here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.7.20101119.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ are installable in native way to N900 ?
Nov 22 17:27:04 <pupnik> ty nuovodna
Nov 22 17:27:48 <sivang> who's taking care of meego's python btw?
Nov 22 17:28:22 <andre__> nuovodna, that image worked for me, yes
Nov 22 17:28:56 <nuovodna> thanks andre__
Nov 22 17:29:10 <sivang> andre__: using mSD?
Nov 22 17:29:21 <mtameni> hi all
Nov 22 17:29:25 <andre__> sivang, yes
Nov 22 17:29:49 <lizardo> sivang: on the Qt API aspect, the PySide team
Nov 22 17:29:59 <sivang> andre__: right, I was concerned what "native" in nuovodna's message ment.
Nov 22 17:30:07 <nuovodna> yep sivang
Nov 22 17:30:16 <nuovodna> native not in msd
Nov 22 17:30:19 <sivang> nuovodna: oh
Nov 22 17:30:35 <andre__> ah
Nov 22 17:31:04 <ymb> sivang the notes of the Python BoF are http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Python_BoF
Nov 22 17:32:52 <sivang> ymb: thanks
Nov 22 17:34:29 <sivang> what is the meego system-config apps?
Nov 22 17:34:31 <sivang> *Are
Nov 22 17:35:31 <timeless_mbp> andre: so, i'm going through art trying to choose an icon for a "downstream distribution"
Nov 22 17:35:41 <timeless_mbp> choices include:
Nov 22 17:35:41 <timeless_mbp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/crystaljingsr/3915513242/in/photostream/
Nov 22 17:35:45 <nuovodna> I have installed multiboot-power-kernel but no kernel appears on boot menu...anyone knows how to recovery a working boot?
Nov 22 17:35:54 <timeless_mbp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/crystaljingsr/3915515098/in/photostream/
Nov 22 17:35:58 <timeless_mbp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/crystaljingsr/3914730605/in/photostream/
Nov 22 17:36:06 * timeless_mbp can't quite decide
Nov 22 17:36:45 <andre__> timeless_mbp, "icon"? these all are not icons
Nov 22 17:36:48 <andre__> way too noisy
Nov 22 17:37:02 <timeless_mbp> andre__: https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ slide 30
Nov 22 17:37:28 <andre__> context?
Nov 22 17:37:45 <lcuk> ymb, at a guess, the previous 29 pages will give context
Nov 22 17:37:50 <lcuk> -ymb,
Nov 22 17:38:00 <timeless_mbp> lcuk++
Nov 22 17:38:05 * lcuk was going to ask ymb what the weather was like
Nov 22 17:38:07 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: i'm taking votes :)
Nov 22 17:39:16 <lcuk> morning NooBmonk3y
Nov 22 17:39:28 <NooBmonk3y> moaaaaning
Nov 22 17:39:31 <NooBmonk3y> eeeevening
Nov 22 17:39:33 <NooBmonk3y> night.....
Nov 22 17:39:37 <NooBmonk3y> one or tother
Nov 22 17:39:41 <ymb> lcuk, it's cold (-7), with lots of snow. But so far the cold has not lasted long enough to freeze the sea
Nov 22 17:39:42 <sivang> hey nuovodna
Nov 22 17:39:45 <sivang> err, NooBmonk3y
Nov 22 17:39:50 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, healthcheck has swipey goodness!
Nov 22 17:39:56 <NooBmonk3y> lol hey sivang
Nov 22 17:40:12 <sivang> ymb: Helsinki, Finland? :)
Nov 22 17:40:14 <lcuk> ooh NooBmonk3y
Nov 22 17:40:36 <NooBmonk3y> not slidey swipe, but if you swipe left it goes to the next screen, or if you swipe right it goes back etc :)
Nov 22 17:40:43 <lcuk> ymb, yeah it will tkae a considerable spell to get that far, would like to go for a walk on it this time
Nov 22 17:41:12 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, niiiiice
Nov 22 17:41:15 * qgil is back after some rest - now I do feel like 1.2 :)
Nov 22 17:41:21 <NooBmonk3y> lol ;)
Nov 22 17:41:25 <lcuk> hey qgil \o
Nov 22 17:41:33 <qgil> hi lcuk
Nov 22 17:41:41 <timeless_mbp> qgil: geoping
Nov 22 17:41:55 <qgil> timeless_mbp: mOUNTAIN vIEW PONG
Nov 22 17:41:57 <qgil> oops
Nov 22 17:42:04 <timeless_mbp> heh, ok
Nov 22 17:42:26 <timeless_mbp> i thought i heard your voice on a call this morning (HEL local time)
Nov 22 17:42:50 <lcuk> lol
Nov 22 17:42:53 <qgil> timeless_mbp: I'm not in cacophony yet
Nov 22 17:43:15 <qgil> timeless_mbp: maybe in a few decades
Nov 22 17:43:31 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5hh8rkcw/Selection_003.png :)
Nov 22 17:44:09 <RST38h> moo qgil
Nov 22 17:44:32 <lcuk> :D NooBmonk3y your graphic looks like HHGTG style!!!
Nov 22 17:44:53 <lcuk> all we need now is the voice!
Nov 22 17:44:58 <NooBmonk3y> hehehe ;) - lol
Nov 22 17:45:27 <timeless_mbp> NooBmonk3y: the text on the bottom left is cropped in 'move' and 'bac'
Nov 22 17:45:29 <lcuk> speaking of which, qgil was talking to ummmm miniature developer who I forgot his irc nick for, and remarked voice instrucitons on moves would be awesome!
Nov 22 17:45:44 <lcuk> because he was trying to teach one of the other devs playing for real
Nov 22 17:46:09 <timeless_mbp> NooBmonk3y: and s/system and information checker/system information checker/
Nov 22 17:46:11 <NooBmonk3y> timeless_mbp, yup :P lol just moved the image sorry
Nov 22 17:46:16 <NooBmonk3y> was working earlier, but in midst play
Nov 22 17:46:24 <timeless_mbp> NooBmonk3y: i don't mind, as long as you take feedback
Nov 22 17:46:29 <NooBmonk3y> not a prob at all :)
Nov 22 17:46:39 <timeless_mbp> NooBmonk3y: my slides @meego conf failed because of a GDocs => PPT export :(
Nov 22 17:46:43 <NooBmonk3y> any feedback is good feedback ;)
Nov 22 17:46:46 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 22 17:46:58 <NooBmonk3y> lol lcuk
Nov 22 17:47:00 <timeless_mbp> I had used spaces for word wrapping around an image
Nov 22 17:47:09 <timeless_mbp> and the PowerPoint fonts apparently had different widths
Nov 22 17:47:10 <NooBmonk3y> qgil, and his cccccraaaaazzzzy ideas ;)
Nov 22 17:47:25 <timeless_mbp> so the spaces were insufficient to trigger wrapping and the text went behind the graphics (more or less)
Nov 22 17:47:31 <NooBmonk3y> awwww lol
Nov 22 17:47:36 <lcuk> git was mikhas getting enthusiastic explaining how the moves should go
Nov 22 17:47:38 <lcuk> -g
Nov 22 17:48:13 <qgil> chess is a silent game - maybe for IVI UX while you are in long boring trips  ;)
Nov 22 17:48:13 <lcuk> in the end, I think both players just ended up just playing his game :P
Nov 22 17:48:18 <NooBmonk3y> hehehe
Nov 22 17:48:19 <lcuk> haha
Nov 22 17:48:26 <NooBmonk3y> very true
Nov 22 17:48:47 <NooBmonk3y> hmmm secret healthcheck voice command "Bacon" lol
Nov 22 17:48:49 <timeless_mbp> qgil: it's important for the "Easy" difficulty of chess to not be HARD
Nov 22 17:48:53 <lcuk> mmmm bacon
Nov 22 17:48:56 <NooBmonk3y> ;)
Nov 22 17:48:59 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: ;)
Nov 22 17:49:10 <timeless_mbp> ... and chess doesn't have to be silent
Nov 22 17:49:12 <Bostik> battle chess with some inappropriate sound effects would be fun
Nov 22 17:49:13 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, faster cpus make that more difficult than you think!
Nov 22 17:49:18 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: ...
Nov 22 17:49:26 * lcuk giggles
Nov 22 17:50:33 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: the turbo button wasn't needed post 1986
Nov 22 17:50:39 <timeless_mbp> we're in... 2010
Nov 22 17:50:46 <timeless_mbp> so we're talking about... nearly 25 years
Nov 22 17:51:46 <inz> Bostik, I always tried to win battle chess with a knight. =)
Nov 22 17:52:05 <timeless_mbp> qgil: oh, and chessmaster 3000 and older weren't silent :)
Nov 22 17:52:12 <Bostik> inz: the best I remember was a rook literally eating the queen
Nov 22 17:52:15 <timeless_mbp> heck, i don't think Chess for my Atari 400 was silent
Nov 22 17:52:21 <inz> Bostik, that was fun too =)
Nov 22 17:52:37 <timeless_mbp> inz: hey, you near @HEL?
Nov 22 17:52:38 <inz> Bostik, the knight sliced king's robe open
Nov 22 17:52:47 <Bostik> aaaaahhh, you're right
Nov 22 17:52:48 <timeless_mbp> HP7p1 should be in theaters
Nov 22 17:52:55 <inz> timeless, nah, safely @home
Nov 22 17:53:03 <Bostik> the embarrassed look on king's face
Nov 22 17:53:13 * timeless_mbp can't remember where that is
Nov 22 17:53:27 <aloisiojr> @all did somebody have problems with lcd backlight on the ideapad?
Nov 22 17:53:36 <WIIman> woot sdl built :) i need it for zsnes
Nov 22 17:53:50 <inz> timeless, small town near Tampere
Nov 22 17:56:06 <sivang> nuovodna: "native" install should probably be avoided until bug #2260 is fixed.
Nov 22 17:56:09 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2260 cri, High, ---, ilkka.koskinen, REOP, N900 Battery charging support
Nov 22 17:56:45 <qgil> did anybody take a clear picture of the Unconference shcedule - more readable than http://www.flickr.com/photos/martingrimme/5192178612/sizes/l/in/pool-1534110@N24/ ?
Nov 22 17:56:55 <nuovodna> thanks sivang :)
Nov 22 17:57:34 <sivang> nuovodna: np :)
Nov 22 17:57:36 <timeless_mbp> qgil: hey, that's before i stuck my sticky up
Nov 22 17:57:51 <sivang> timeless_mbp: you came rather late in the sticking process ;)
Nov 22 17:57:55 <mtameni> hi all, i want to build a lib for meego... i'm going to package it in rpm an then look for obs stuff... is it the right procedure?
Nov 22 17:58:01 <timeless_mbp> yeah well
Nov 22 17:58:07 <timeless_mbp> it was up before i spoke!
Nov 22 17:58:34 <sivang> hey qgil
Nov 22 17:58:55 <qgil> hi sivang
Nov 22 18:02:18 <WIIman> wow NASM was in add remove i thought i was going to have to build it lol
Nov 22 18:05:12 <NooBmonk3y> lol good pic quim
Nov 22 18:05:28 <WIIman> if ican get zsnes to see the ncurses stuff ill have a build lol
Nov 22 18:07:42 <marnanel> timeless_mbp: btw, http://people.collabora.co.uk/~tthurman/predictive/ may be an interesting prototype to play with
Nov 22 18:07:42 <Stskeeps> 'lo auke
Nov 22 18:07:50 * auke is NOT at work
Nov 22 18:07:55 <timeless_mbp> marnanel: thanks
Nov 22 18:08:19 <X-Fade> auke: Well, we aren't either ;)
Nov 22 18:08:26 <timeless_mbp> marnanel: can you teach it to guess the first letter of subsequent words?
Nov 22 18:08:29 <lcuk> qgil, I got a clear straight on shot with ymb and the barcamp guy standing on either side :) http://liqbase.net/20101117_011.jpg
Nov 22 18:08:51 <lcuk> hopefully the writing is easier to read, I used it as a map whilst walking round so its not unusable
Nov 22 18:08:56 <marnanel> timeless_mbp: certainly; I didn't put that in because I thought it would get annoying, but it was a specific exclusion, so easy to take out again
Nov 22 18:08:56 <Stskeeps> auke: i have my feet up at my desk, i'm not working either ;)
Nov 22 18:09:22 <lcuk> tho ymb looks like an alien ghost just meterialising
Nov 22 18:09:26 <lcuk> materialising
Nov 22 18:09:41 <timeless_mbp> marnanel: it's better to have everything in and decide to turn things off
Nov 22 18:09:42 <timeless_mbp> THIS IS A TEST OF SOME PREDICTION ALGORITHM
Nov 22 18:09:45 <timeless_mbp> was what i typed
Nov 22 18:09:59 <qgil> lcuk: OMG! is that thing at the top right of your picture an unknown MeeGo prototype leaked accidentally???
Nov 22 18:10:06 <timeless_mbp> n.b. not really as prefs, more you try something, see if things work, and decide not to ship certain bits if they're too awkward
Nov 22 18:11:18 <lcuk> qgil, oh crap
Nov 22 18:11:23 <lcuk> lemme take photo down and reedit it
Nov 22 18:11:39 <timeless_mbp> heh
Nov 22 18:11:56 <timeless_mbp> marnanel: oh, and um... you need to offer punctuation
Nov 22 18:12:13 <timeless_mbp> marnanel: for now, please add:
Nov 22 18:12:45 <marnanel> timeless_mbp: it's not supposed to be an entire working solution yet!
Nov 22 18:12:59 <timeless_mbp> [tab] [caps] [shift] <- left side
Nov 22 18:13:10 <timeless_mbp> ["["] ["]"] <- right side top row
Nov 22 18:13:26 <timeless_mbp> [;] ['] <- right side middle row
Nov 22 18:13:37 <timeless_mbp> [,] [.] < right side third row
Nov 22 18:14:04 <timeless_mbp> hrm, [/] on that third row too
Nov 22 18:14:08 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, wiki
Nov 22 18:14:19 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: etoomuchoverhead
Nov 22 18:14:28 <lcuk> just c&p and clean silly lines for now :P
Nov 22 18:15:52 <lcuk> doing it
Nov 22 18:16:16 <timeless_mbp> marnanel: hey, can i get you to mock up some other stuff too? :)
Nov 22 18:16:26 <marnanel> :)
Nov 22 18:16:28 <timeless_mbp> (like a calendar that works the way the w7 one works...)
Nov 22 18:17:25 <timeless_mbp> http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/
Nov 22 18:17:34 <timeless_mbp> oh, fwiw, things not shown in the calendar pictures i have...
Nov 22 18:17:58 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, thinking about a different way of displaying info in healthcheck, what do you think of something like this? (I'm sure you will get the gyst!) http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/x5cf953e/Selection_004.png
Nov 22 18:18:16 <lcuk> hold on, fighting with wiki
Nov 22 18:18:18 <timeless_mbp> if you drag/swipe left/right over the central area, it starts progressing in the appropriate direction
Nov 22 18:18:26 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: see? :)
Nov 22 18:18:38 <timeless_mbp> NooBmonk3y: you need a DEG mark for temp
Nov 22 18:18:45 <timeless_mbp> and traditionally the C should be uppercase
Nov 22 18:18:55 <timeless_mbp> also "charge" isn't a wonderful word
Nov 22 18:19:07 <timeless_mbp> further, 33c isn't helpful
Nov 22 18:19:14 <timeless_mbp> a user needs to know what the valid range is for it
Nov 22 18:19:23 <timeless_mbp> is 33c high, low, average, unsafe?
Nov 22 18:20:07 * lcuk thinks irc to wiki copy/paste would be very useful :)
Nov 22 18:20:14 <timeless_mbp> heh
Nov 22 18:20:22 <lcuk> fwiw "* " is needed before each line
Nov 22 18:20:29 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard#2010-11-22
Nov 22 18:20:59 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: logging into the wiki is EWAYTOOHARD
Nov 22 18:21:04 <timeless_mbp> the login link takes me to the wrong page
Nov 22 18:21:25 <timeless_mbp> NooBmonk3y: i think '33c' would probably be interpreted as '33 cups' :)
Nov 22 18:21:31 <sivang> timeless_mbp: yes, wiki login is annoying
Nov 22 18:21:51 * NooBmonk3y thinks he will refrain from asking advice in here lol - was more asking for the look not the content, but thank you :)
Nov 22 18:22:09 <timeless_mbp> ok, how the &*#$% do i tell wiki i'm logged in?
Nov 22 18:22:13 <timeless_mbp> meego.com thinks i'm logged in
Nov 22 18:22:24 <sivang> timeless_mbp: it randomly EWORKSFORME
Nov 22 18:22:28 <lcuk> i found out I am logged in and will not logout again
Nov 22 18:22:33 <lcuk> I can never remember my password
Nov 22 18:22:46 <sivang> lcuk: right, the trick is to save them cookies not! :-D
Nov 22 18:23:02 <lcuk> sivang, mmmm bacon flavour cookies
Nov 22 18:23:05 <NooBmonk3y> yay!
Nov 22 18:23:31 <sivang> lcuk: yummy
Nov 22 18:24:17 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: sorry, i'm going to boycott the wiki today
Nov 22 18:24:19 <timeless_mbp> since it doesn't like me :)
Nov 22 18:24:37 <sivang> timeless_mbp: try tomorrow, it might like you better ;P
Nov 22 18:24:43 <timeless_mbp> sure
Nov 22 18:24:46 <lcuk> buy it flowers
Nov 22 18:24:49 <lcuk> it might forgive you
Nov 22 18:24:59 <sivang> timeless_mbp: it should have a feeding option like infobot has
Nov 22 18:25:37 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, marnanel likes writing sonnets
Nov 22 18:25:44 <lcuk> perhaps you could sing one at it
Nov 22 18:27:51 <sivang> lcuk: could be good in the bandcamp BOF in next conference.
Nov 22 18:28:20 <lcuk> sivang, ++
Nov 22 18:49:36 <hhartz> riot: ping
Nov 22 18:49:52 <hhartz> riot: did you resolve your respawn + meego-power-ico issue?
Nov 22 18:51:55 <hhartz> any netbook guys around?
Nov 22 18:54:35 <riot> hhartz: no. But my android emulator works fine.
Nov 22 18:55:06 <hhartz> riot: hah :)
Nov 22 18:58:28 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, i never considered battery temp before
Nov 22 18:58:52 <CosmoHill> if it's not on fire, don't worry about it
Nov 22 18:59:35 <hhartz> nobody else seen the "INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled 5 minutes" issue? (in my case, rebooting or doing the firstlogin hack doesn't seem to take..)
Nov 22 19:01:16 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, but when I think of battery I see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok#t=0m5s
Nov 22 19:02:31 <w00t> hhartz: a long long long time ago yes
Nov 22 19:02:35 <w00t> I don't remember how I fixed it, tho
Nov 22 19:03:06 <hhartz> hm, I just build libmeegotouch and Qt, so re/installing has a significant cost :)
Nov 22 19:04:06 <rhkfin> Anyone have an idea why for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqpVP414WJo&feature=channel from July looks way much more finished than 1.1 or 1.1.80 I tried on N900....
Nov 22 19:05:15 <hena> kendopena?½.
Nov 22 19:05:36 <hena> "oops"
Nov 22 19:05:51 <Stskeeps> rhkfin: grab the 'demo' image from tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php
Nov 22 19:06:17 <rhkfin> Stskeeps: ah, ok, thanks. How does it relate to the trunk..?
Nov 22 19:06:39 <w00t> hhartz: does X start if you run it yourself?
Nov 22 19:06:40 <rhkfin> Or is the thing that Nokia has lots of unreleased code and this was a part of that?
Nov 22 19:07:01 <Stskeeps> rhkfin: 1.1 + new SGX drivers, which dramatically improves the experience
Nov 22 19:07:12 <hhartz> w00t: yeah, I can drop to console and startx, then try to run the firstboot script - but it didn't help
Nov 22 19:07:17 <rhkfin> Stskeeps: ok..
Nov 22 19:07:45 <w00t> hhartz: mm. nothing of note in logs?
Nov 22 19:08:30 <NooBmonk3y> :P
Nov 22 19:10:48 <mortenmj> any of you guys used the app_compliance tool_
Nov 22 19:10:49 <mortenmj> ?
Nov 22 19:10:49 <lcuk> Stskeeps, any word yet on when those patches will end up integrated?
Nov 22 19:11:22 <hhartz> w00t: no, nothing as far as I can see
Nov 22 19:11:57 <w00t> hhartz: :-/
Nov 22 19:12:05 * lcuk enjoyed talking to the aava guy in the rain outside the brewery
Nov 22 19:12:16 <w00t> I guess there is the mailing list, apart from that...
Nov 22 19:12:20 <w00t> I wish I could remember what I did
Nov 22 19:15:24 <lcuk> how do I reduce the cpu speed down from 1000mhz?
Nov 22 19:18:50 * lpotter gets fed up with browsers and installs firefox
Nov 22 19:19:13 <TrackerDPP> hello all !
Nov 22 19:22:14 * CosmoHill noms some nice pizza
Nov 22 19:24:46 * lpotter drinks some morning coffee
Nov 22 19:40:46 <zinit> anyone got a link to a good repo where I can find essential tools like wget, vlc, ftp, vim.... the one I saw on the forumthread (a russian I think). doesnt have those.. and is lacking dependencies from vlc
Nov 22 19:43:55 <andyross> wget and vim are in core (and of course wget or curl or various browsers make good ftp clients).   Don't think anyone has packaged vlc.
Nov 22 19:45:10 <Kray> vlc...
Nov 22 20:09:41 * lcuk sighs
Nov 22 20:12:38 * Stskeeps passes lcuk beer
Nov 22 20:13:12 <lcuk> :) thanks Stskeeps
Nov 22 20:26:20 <sivang> anybody has handy that blog post about enabling handset like gesture and touch on the betbook?
Nov 22 20:26:28 <sivang> s/betbook/netbook/
Nov 22 20:26:28 <infobot> sivang meant: anybody has handy that blog post about enabling handset like gesture and touch on the netbook?
Nov 22 20:29:20 <Jaffa> sivang: http://blog.neteril.org/2010/11/19/turning-your-meego-lenovo-s10-3t-into-a-real-slate/ ?
Nov 22 20:30:44 <GAN900> Unpossible.
Nov 22 20:30:50 <GAN900> Viewing angle is too poor.
Nov 22 20:31:49 <sivang> Jaffa: thank you, this is exactly it.
Nov 22 20:44:11 <zinit> weird issue here... trying to install the sdk, but it claims some dependency is not there... some toolkit dependency for meego-sdk-ia32
Nov 22 20:44:38 <zinit> getting an incredible amount of dependency problems when trying to install basic tools that should be on the repos...
Nov 22 20:45:13 <zinit> (and are there according to the install manual for the sdk...)
Nov 22 20:45:25 <lbt> Can I use the SDK on my AMD desktop ?
Nov 22 20:46:56 <Stskeeps> lbt: afaik, but not the intel qemu's
Nov 22 20:47:31 <lbt> thanks; I'll starts a download :)
Nov 22 20:48:50 <zinit> I'm trying to install under meego.
Nov 22 20:49:58 <lcuk> lbt, and if not, please file bugs
Nov 22 20:50:14 <lcuk> :P
Nov 22 20:50:16 <zinit> when I installed the sdk the first time it all worked, but after the reinstall I did last wednesday, now I got some serious dependency issues whenever I try to install anything..
Nov 22 20:50:36 <zinit> quite strange..
Nov 22 20:50:38 <lcuk> zinit, the sdk images were reduced in volume and a number of packages were removed afaik
Nov 22 20:51:04 <zinit> lcuk: that could explain it... dependencies missing all over the place here now
Nov 22 20:51:20 <lcuk> what like?
Nov 22 20:51:38 <zinit> trying to install vlc and there are missing dependencies, and several other programs
Nov 22 20:51:40 * lcuk had to install more to get libmeegotouch building in it
Nov 22 20:51:56 <zinit> I see the programs are there, but I cant install since dependencies are not there
Nov 22 20:53:39 * lcuk is thankful that sketches brought from high resolution digitizing tablet still render properly on ideapad
Nov 22 20:53:44 <lcuk> even if they cant be drawn there
Nov 22 20:54:24 <lcuk> if I got a resistive cover ontop of the screen on the ideapad, would the capacitive still work through it?
Nov 22 20:55:31 <ali1234> no
Nov 22 20:55:49 * Myrtti kicks Wikipedia
Nov 22 20:55:51 <Myrtti> work goddammit
Nov 22 20:57:07 <lcuk> ali1234, aww
Nov 22 20:57:48 <smoku> BTW, if you want to get RMB on your ideapad see http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad#Touchpad
Nov 22 20:58:14 <lcuk> nice :)
Nov 22 20:58:23 <lcuk> i just learnt how to make it drag something
Nov 22 20:58:28 <lcuk> but its only a single stroke
Nov 22 21:04:53 <ali1234> what about left clicking?
Nov 22 21:05:14 <lcuk> ali1234, left click is a tap anyway
Nov 22 21:05:30 <ali1234> yeah but how to make the left corner button work?
Nov 22 21:05:35 <ali1234> same way?
Nov 22 21:05:41 <lcuk> but if you send down, up (tap), down, drag, up
Nov 22 21:05:45 <lcuk> the drag part is a line
Nov 22 21:05:52 <lcuk> so you can do scrollbars etc
Nov 22 21:06:00 <ali1234> what?
Nov 22 21:06:14 <lcuk> you can use the trackpad for scrollbars
Nov 22 21:06:27 <lcuk> if you do tap drag
Nov 22 21:06:31 <lcuk> like a double click action
Nov 22 21:06:42 <lcuk> but instead of lifting mouse button on second click, drag finger
Nov 22 21:06:44 <ali1234> you can just use the edge... like on all laptops ever...
Nov 22 21:07:09 <lcuk> what about sideways
Nov 22 21:07:15 <ali1234> bottom edge usually
Nov 22 21:07:15 <rob_w> so , someone link me those horrible poulsbo drivers or the word in that ..
Nov 22 21:07:30 <timeless_mbp> DawnFoster: so, i've tried to clarify my slides
Nov 22 21:07:41 <rob_w> i am a lucky winner having a pouslbo platform to get to fly
Nov 22 21:07:43 <lcuk> and thanks, i never knew it did that :P
Nov 22 21:07:47 <timeless_mbp> (there are now more holes in the slides, but..)
Nov 22 21:08:34 <ali1234> oh i get it, you're talking about tap and drag
Nov 22 21:08:45 <ali1234> that only works if you move the mouse over the scrollbar
Nov 22 21:17:40 <smoku> ali1234, same way just use LBCornerButton=1
Nov 22 21:18:30 <smoku> "synclient -l" for all options
Nov 22 21:45:21 <prometoys> how I can connect to a ieee8021x protected wifi with meego?
Nov 22 21:52:15 <lbt> mmm /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/   lsb? /var for caches
Nov 22 21:59:37 <timeless_mbp> heh
Nov 22 22:04:25 <prometoys> I resized a btrfs fs with btrfsctl (decreased 20GB) but how I can resize the partition?
Nov 22 22:08:30 <andyross> prometoys: fdisk.  Just be careful.
Nov 22 22:10:04 <timeless_mbp> prometoys: why in the world would you do this?
Nov 22 22:10:16 <prometoys> andyross: but with which command? i'm reading all the fdisk online help but couldn't find a option
Nov 22 22:10:53 <andyross> "d" to delete the existing one, and then "n" to create a new one with the proper geometry.
Nov 22 22:11:45 <timeless_mbp> perhaps you should use a gui? :)
Nov 22 22:11:54 <prometoys> timeless_mbp: because the partition is to big
Nov 22 22:12:02 <timeless_mbp> gparted?
Nov 22 22:12:03 <andyross> Or wipe the disk and restore from backup, which is always the safer option
Nov 22 22:12:14 <timeless_mbp> prometoys: "too big"?
Nov 22 22:12:14 <prometoys> andydross: d, but the data is away?
Nov 22 22:12:57 <prometoys> gparted didn't want to resize the partition
Nov 22 22:13:04 <andyross> fdisk only rewrites the partition table.  It doesn't touch the filesystem.  You're deleting the partition record.  But again: be careful, because if the new record starts in a different place or is too small, you'll hose your filesystem
Nov 22 22:13:41 <prometoys> andyross: thanks, I will be carefull
Nov 22 22:14:25 <prometoys> but, there isn't not really important data on it (just don't like to set up everything again)
Nov 22 23:44:47 <AstralStorm> hello there
Nov 22 23:44:56 <AstralStorm> how is n8x0 port faring?
Nov 22 23:56:34 <pupnik> hey AstralStorm  long time
Nov 23 00:01:06 <AstralStorm> yeah, I've mostly moved to android
Nov 23 00:01:12 <AstralStorm> not enough space in the pockets
Nov 23 00:01:28 <AstralStorm> but it'd be nice to know the device isn't completely useless
Nov 23 00:02:15 <AstralStorm> (I could've picked a Nokia phone, but nothing good was out at the time - this cheapo LG phone I have is a stopgap)
Nov 23 00:02:37 <AstralStorm> we might chat tomorrow
Nov 23 00:02:54 <AstralStorm> I'm waiting for Stskeeps to give me a status update
Nov 23 00:02:57 <AstralStorm> gnite
Nov 23 00:04:39 <pupnik> nite AstralStorm
Nov 23 00:05:03 <pupnik> LG has an amazingly cheap phone with 854x480 resolution
Nov 23 00:20:00 <niala> testtouch
Nov 23 00:33:12 <lcuk> nice touch meego!   the mouse works instantly.  :)
Nov 23 00:33:24 <lcuk> (netbook edition on ideapad) :)
Nov 23 00:33:48 <javispedro> you mean an external mouse?
Nov 23 00:33:57 <lcuk> yes
Nov 23 00:34:00 <javispedro> :)
Nov 23 00:34:58 <javispedro> (hmpf, that was obvious. too used to calling every input device a "mouse" ;P )
Nov 23 00:35:19 <lcuk> heh
Nov 23 00:35:44 <kk> #lbt
Nov 23 00:35:56 <kk> I need to get acces to meego oba
Nov 23 00:35:59 <kk> obs*
Nov 23 00:54:45 <kaushik> i need access to meego obs
Nov 23 00:54:53 <kaushik> seems no ones helping
Nov 23 00:55:03 <kaushik> I contacted lbt as mentioned on website
Nov 23 00:55:27 <tripzero> be patient young grasshopper
Nov 23 00:55:34 <tripzero> lbt will be with your shortly
Nov 23 00:55:39 * tripzero plays elevator music
Nov 23 00:55:53 <Ford_Prefect> BTW, is anyone with access to the US servers around?
Nov 23 00:56:17 <kaushik> Thank U
Nov 23 00:58:14 <Ford_Prefect> Also, probably really annoying to have the nick 'access' at this time :)
Nov 23 00:58:17 <javispedro> tripzero: shortly as in "tomorrow"? ;)
Nov 23 01:00:07 <tripzero> "shortly" is an indeterminable amount of time
Nov 23 01:00:27 <javispedro> heh
Nov 23 01:00:33 <tripzero> tomorrow may be a safe guess though :P
Nov 23 01:01:21 <javispedro> I hope your elevator music track is long enough :)
Nov 23 01:01:28 <tripzero> i put it on repeat
Nov 23 01:02:48 <tripzero> i could be mean and change it to play this nonstop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Nov 23 01:03:34 <Ford_Prefect> Or you could put on elebeiber music
Nov 23 01:03:44 <tripzero> lol
Nov 23 01:13:23 <marnanel> is there really no way of importing vcf contacts into the contacts app other than one by one?
Nov 23 01:21:14 <chriadam> mamanel: if you're a coder, you could use the Qt Mobility Versit library to convert all of the .vcfs into Qt Contacts and save them in the qtcontacts-tracker manager on device.  I'm not sure what options the default contacts application has for batch importing.
Nov 23 01:38:12 <marnanel> chriadam: I am actually a coder, but I was hoping it wouldn't come to that anyway :)
Nov 23 01:38:19 <marnanel> chriadam: Thank you
Nov 23 01:42:06 <chriadam> marnanel: it's entirely possible that there is some option for batch importing with the application (maybe a command line option or something).  I just don't know :-)
Nov 23 02:26:44 <lolloo> do Xchat work on MeeGo?
Nov 23 02:26:56 <bef0rd> yes
Nov 23 02:27:10 <bef0rd> I put a guide to compile it on http://blog.beford.org
Nov 23 02:27:32 <bef0rd> also I think its available on the netbook 'comunity' repo
Nov 23 02:27:36 <bef0rd> check the forums
Nov 23 02:31:03 <lolloo> awesome bef0rd
Nov 23 02:31:10 <lolloo> appreciated
Nov 23 02:46:55 <sheepbat> is there a list of projects or something that could use a little help?
Nov 23 02:56:30 <pupnik> sheepbat: what kind of help?
Nov 23 02:57:09 <sheepbat> I know a bit of C and could contribute some time coding or doing bugfixes or whatever
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