**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 24 02:59:58 2010
Nov 24 05:28:04 <TingTing> hi!
Nov 24 05:29:33 <TingTing> Did anybody starting remote application in meego netbook success?
Nov 24 05:29:49 <icesword> hi
Nov 24 05:30:17 <icesword> any news for N9
Nov 24 05:30:54 <Mat_Matan> any news for Z500? :P
Nov 24 05:31:34 <icesword> do you know just say it
Nov 24 05:32:12 <pupnik> can't I guess?
Nov 24 05:32:31 <icesword> yeah you go
Nov 24 05:32:41 <pupnik> May-June
Nov 24 05:33:03 <icesword> what's the hardware
Nov 24 05:33:25 <icesword> why slow shame it
Nov 24 05:33:33 <pupnik> i'm guessing like the N900 but with more buttons and a better looking case
Nov 24 05:34:17 <icesword> what cpu ram and resolution?
Nov 24 05:34:21 <pupnik> i think they should do pre-sales of hardware without an OS
Nov 24 05:34:35 <pupnik> dunno
Nov 24 05:34:48 <icesword> that sucks
Nov 24 05:34:51 <pupnik> but i'm silly.  that'd probably be a terrible idea
Nov 24 05:35:04 <pupnik> it's just that nobody's done it before
Nov 24 05:35:12 <pupnik> so it would be instant NEWS to the phone world
Nov 24 05:35:27 <icesword> lol
Nov 24 05:35:58 <icesword> you just don't want to say
Nov 24 05:36:38 <pupnik> i don't know and i'm not employed at nokia
Nov 24 05:36:41 <icesword> no good
Nov 24 05:37:14 <pupnik> i still like my 'marketing idea' though
Nov 24 05:37:17 <icesword> nokia is slow
Nov 24 05:37:42 <pupnik> well meego is not nokia
Nov 24 05:37:50 <icesword> my heart is down
Nov 24 05:38:17 <pupnik> why??
Nov 24 05:38:20 <pupnik> meego is awesome
Nov 24 05:38:43 <pupnik> and it doesn't cost you money either
Nov 24 05:38:44 <icesword> no good
Nov 24 05:39:06 <icesword> i like google
Nov 24 05:39:30 <icesword> so android might be good
Nov 24 05:41:39 <pupnik> To me the n900 is like a car that can turn into a flying robot
Nov 24 05:42:04 <icesword> pup, what phone do use run?
Nov 24 05:42:12 <pupnik> the delivered software (phone/camera etc) is like the car
Nov 24 05:43:05 <pupnik> and being able to run gnu/linux tools and apps on it is awesome
Nov 24 05:43:24 <pupnik> it's like the mighty-morphin-phone
Nov 24 05:43:46 <icesword> what do you use?
Nov 24 05:46:01 <icesword> n900 is not mature product
Nov 24 05:48:49 <icesword> ok nothing new out only rumors
Nov 24 05:51:31 <psycho_oreos> n900 may have been released prematurely but it does not mean that its unusable piece of device if you're willing to work with the flaws
Nov 24 05:51:39 <psycho_oreos> damn too late, oh well
Nov 24 06:01:58 <khertan_> Morning
Nov 24 06:08:53 <lolloo> Morning
Nov 24 06:17:04 <pupnik> http://conference2010.meego.com/session/opengl-acceleration-meego-simulator-and-emulator
Nov 24 06:17:10 <pupnik> what's the latest on this?
Nov 24 06:17:34 <lolloo> awesome, thanks pupnik
Nov 24 06:17:51 <pupnik> well no link to the presentation i'm afraid
Nov 24 06:18:01 <lolloo> oh
Nov 24 06:18:21 <lolloo> AMD might have news about that!
Nov 24 06:18:33 <lolloo> AMD/ATI
Nov 24 06:19:12 <pupnik> from what i understand, this solution should work with any opengl2 card
Nov 24 06:19:21 <lolloo> OpenGL is so much better than DIRECTX
Nov 24 06:19:45 <pupnik> it's not tied to one vendor
Nov 24 06:20:48 <lolloo> what does android use for gpu accel?
Nov 24 06:21:09 <lolloo> they seem to have a good gfx renderer and very fast
Nov 24 06:50:17 <dm8tbr> lolloo: they are relying on an EGL/openGL-ES driver being present. don't know what comes above that.
Nov 24 06:50:44 <lolloo> wow, it really seems smooth
Nov 24 06:50:48 <lolloo> doesn't it.
Nov 24 06:52:06 <dm8tbr> yeah, it is quite nice. still I'd prefer bug 5616 to be really fixed, so I could run meego on my hardware. Instead the proposed workaround is 'backport the nokia kernel parts until it work'.
Nov 24 06:52:10 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled
Nov 24 06:57:03 <Bostik> might be the PowerVR driver, it's one I know to provide smooth hardware GL on embedded hardware
Nov 24 07:00:13 <dm8tbr> it provides the GLES/EGL variety of openGL
Nov 24 07:03:00 <Bostik> true, good point
Nov 24 08:43:34 <zinit> good morning
Nov 24 08:44:32 <lbt> JarodN: pong ... just checking what you wanted to do on the OBS ?
Nov 24 08:44:41 <lbt> morning zinit
Nov 24 08:44:47 <lcuk> ali1234, yes
Nov 24 08:47:36 <zinit> good the conference wasnt this week... its freezing here in dublin... was ice on the cars when I was walking to work
Nov 24 08:47:47 <lbt> JarodN: in here please
Nov 24 08:47:57 <lbt> heh ... here too
Nov 24 08:48:37 <zinit> came to work almost 2 hours ago and my toes are still frozen from the 10 minute walk:P
Nov 24 08:49:09 <lbt> JarodN: ?
Nov 24 08:49:20 <zinit> (maybe look for work at hp in pasadena next year....)
Nov 24 08:49:28 <zinit> less ice:P
Nov 24 08:49:47 <lbt> zinit: work from home... stay warm
Nov 24 08:50:03 <zinit> lbt: I wish I could
Nov 24 08:50:40 <lbt> JarodN: so...... just checking what you wanted to do on the OBS ?
Nov 24 08:50:55 <Ford_Prefect> I almost feel bad complaining about how cold it is in Bangalore
Nov 24 08:51:05 <zinit> hehe
Nov 24 08:51:25 <JarodN> lbt: Should I be able to get into private conversation in here? ... *beginner* :)
Nov 24 08:51:28 <Bostik> -4°C outside right now, try that
Nov 24 08:51:54 <Ford_Prefect> Must be about +18° C here
Nov 24 08:52:09 <Ford_Prefect> Maybe a little less than that
Nov 24 08:52:14 <zinit> its 25 degrees in bangalore according to the weather app on the iphone...
Nov 24 08:52:24 <adeus> Bostik, + a wind that freezes your bones
Nov 24 08:52:25 <Bostik> I envy you
Nov 24 08:52:35 <Ford_Prefect> zinit: feels like about 15
Nov 24 08:52:44 <Ford_Prefect> But it's also *cold* :p
Nov 24 08:52:48 <Bostik> adeus: not at the moment, but I'm ~230km off Helsinki :P
Nov 24 08:52:59 <zinit> how's the weather in finland?
Nov 24 08:53:09 <adeus> -6 here in Tampere
Nov 24 08:53:13 <Aard> zinit: sunny
Nov 24 08:53:28 <zinit> here its a fw clouds, and freezing.
Nov 24 08:53:36 <Aard> (in jyvaskyla)
Nov 24 08:53:38 <zinit> the last week its been raining like crazy
Nov 24 08:53:42 <Bostik> like this: http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/img/saa/paikallissaa/gram_5d_fi_Lappeenranta_2010112414_2010112409.gif
Nov 24 08:55:13 <adeus> "-6, feels like -15"
Nov 24 08:55:20 <zinit> windy?
Nov 24 08:55:24 <adeus> really
Nov 24 08:55:29 <zinit> gets cold when its wind
Nov 24 08:55:58 <zinit> just hope it will be nice in rome for christmas... going there from december 22nd to january 1st
Nov 24 08:56:06 <lbt> JarodN: not msg please - in channel
Nov 24 08:57:12 <JarodN> lbt: So, I'm  preparing training material on Meego and I'd like to get familiar also with OBS.  Try it with my examples etc.
Nov 24 08:57:32 <lbt> JarodN: ok - sounds good
Nov 24 08:57:49 <lbt> what's your meego.com account ?
Nov 24 08:58:05 <zinit> will the material be publicly availeable?
Nov 24 08:58:07 <lbt> and are you doing this on the wiki ?
Nov 24 08:58:58 <JarodN> lbt: meego account: jarodan
Nov 24 09:00:40 <JarodN> I don't know about the wiki etc public material at least for now.
Nov 24 09:01:42 <lbt> OK - but any examples you put on the OBS must be OSI approved opensource licensed
Nov 24 09:02:00 <JarodN> ltb: yes.
Nov 24 09:02:55 <lbt> :) some people aren't sure so just mentionin it ... especially since you said "at least for now"
Nov 24 09:04:10 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 24 09:04:18 <lcuk> \o
Nov 24 09:05:09 <lbt> hi
Nov 24 09:05:32 <lbt> JarodN: oops... I didn't say "done"
Nov 24 09:05:47 <JarodN> lbt: ok. Just because we are doing the course as "business", I don't know if I can publish it - guess we have to think about that in our company.
Nov 24 09:06:34 <lbt> mmm ... there's nothing wrong with that of course... but you may find it better to use CC licensed material
Nov 24 09:07:54 <lbt> if you pick a CC license that allows commercial use then you get the benefit of community contributions - and since there will be public training material anyway it means less competition
Nov 24 09:08:16 <lbt> companies will *always* need hands on training
Nov 24 09:08:25 <JarodN> sure
Nov 24 09:08:37 * lbt works in nokia and understands :)
Nov 24 09:09:03 <JarodN> have to get into licencing stuff too then... but can I then use/try OBS?
Nov 24 09:09:13 * lbt is also one of the people who's written a lot of the material
Nov 24 09:09:32 <lbt> using OBS is fine .. it's open
Nov 24 09:09:49 <JarodN> :)
Nov 24 09:09:50 <lbt> this kind of chat is why I like to gatekeep it
Nov 24 09:10:14 <lbt> we had someone wanted to rebuild all MeeGo on armv6 ... but hadn't spoken to the arm porters
Nov 24 09:10:23 <lbt> (and as yet we have 3 workers)
Nov 24 09:10:42 <lbt> some other people wanted to do closed source and didn't realise the OSI only
Nov 24 09:11:36 <JarodN> :)
Nov 24 09:28:40 * dm8tbr curses this netbook image and tries something else in virtualbox
Nov 24 09:38:12 <zinit> dm8tbr: so I'm not the only one that has problems with meego in virtualbox...
Nov 24 09:41:39 <dm8tbr> zinit: so far I've failed to get any GUI. currently I'm both trying the qemu image I've found in VirtualBox and downloading QemuManager for windows.
Nov 24 09:42:24 <dm8tbr> In the long run I really really need to either get an Linux PC at work or convert this Workstation to Linux or at least dual-boot it
Nov 24 09:54:39 <zinit> dm8tbr: I cant dualboot since I use thins machine for work. (havent been able to get meego installed in a VM since it sais the cpu is not supported). got a core2duo in this machine.
Nov 24 09:54:50 <zinit> the Os here is ubuntu
Nov 24 09:55:00 <zinit> tried virtualbox and vmware. no go
Nov 24 09:55:43 <zinit> got an old PA-RISC machine on my desk too, but that one wont work with meego....
Nov 24 09:56:04 <zinit> debian works like a charm on it though...
Nov 24 10:05:38 <dm8tbr> zinit: I think core2duo should have ssse3
Nov 24 10:05:52 <dm8tbr> my problem is rather that the x-server won't come up
Nov 24 10:12:45 <zinit> it works on core2duo. but not in a VM. had no problem booting the live image from a usb
Nov 24 10:12:56 <dm8tbr> ZOMG! it is teh workz!
Nov 24 10:13:40 <dm8tbr> I just dd'd meego-netbook-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda.raw to a virtual disk and it booted directly into the UI
Nov 24 10:13:46 <dm8tbr> under virtualbox
Nov 24 10:14:01 <dm8tbr> it also found the network
Nov 24 10:14:40 <zinit> just dd'ed it to an existing virtual disk?
Nov 24 10:15:19 <CosmoHill> virtualbox has a command line tool to convert an img to .vdi
Nov 24 10:15:21 <dm8tbr> I created an 4GiB virtual disk. booted an ubuntu VM which I had around, added the 4G as second disk
Nov 24 10:15:42 <dm8tbr> CosmoHill: prolly not under wintendo though?
Nov 24 10:16:03 <CosmoHill> yep, I only have windows on my desktop
Nov 24 10:17:59 <CosmoHill> http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-04-01.log.html#t2010-04-01T16:21:49
Nov 24 10:19:20 * dm8tbr tries to keep that in mind if he ever feels like using vbox for meego under linux
Nov 24 10:21:50 <CosmoHill> or you can do what I did and type "vdi" into the log search
Nov 24 10:22:37 <dm8tbr> yes, that's what I'll most likely do, just need to remember that there _is_ such a thing
Nov 24 10:23:00 <zinit> http://www.99bits.com/2010/09/how-to-install-meego-on-virtualbox/
Nov 24 10:23:07 <zinit> came over this one...
Nov 24 10:24:45 <dm8tbr> zinit: great an rar file of unknown origins on an 3rd party server :/
Nov 24 10:24:52 * dm8tbr prefers his solution so far :)
Nov 24 10:26:37 <dm8tbr> installed virtual-box foo in it and it seems a bit more snappy now too
Nov 24 10:26:50 * dm8tbr is happy, something to play with
Nov 24 10:27:02 <dm8tbr> need to document this somewhere
Nov 24 10:28:21 <Ford_Prefect> What's the best way to try to build an rpm locally before updating the spec on OBS?
Nov 24 10:28:49 <Ford_Prefect> I'm looking at the docs and trying to use build ..., but that's not working out, really
Nov 24 10:28:53 <Bostik> I've used a meego vm (vbox is quite enough)
Nov 24 10:29:10 <Bostik> now where were those nifty instructions again... a moment
Nov 24 10:29:23 <dm8tbr> Bostik: yes, but there are only misleading instructions from 1.0 times
Nov 24 10:29:37 * CosmoHill might be doing a little guide in late december
Nov 24 10:29:42 <dm8tbr> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox
Nov 24 10:29:54 <Bostik> http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment#Building_your_package:_Step_by_step
Nov 24 10:29:58 <sandst1> Ford_Prefect: osc build --no-verify <platform>
Nov 24 10:29:59 <dm8tbr> I'll add some note there that this does _not_ work well
Nov 24 10:30:32 <Bostik> once the rpmbuild part works, it's a good indicator that the .spec might be up-to-date
Nov 24 10:31:16 <Bostik> if you've forgotten some build-requirements, that's something it won't catch (if they happen to be in your environment but not mentioned in the .spec)
Nov 24 10:32:47 <Ford_Prefect> sandst1: I get the following error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/295389/
Nov 24 10:33:02 <Ford_Prefect> Bostik: ^
Nov 24 10:34:02 <Bostik> now that's odd
Nov 24 10:34:10 <Bostik> just a minute...
Nov 24 10:34:45 <jd> hi
Nov 24 10:35:24 <Bostik> (takes a while for my meego-vm to boot up)
Nov 24 10:35:26 <sandst1> Ford_Prefect: that's a common error that pops up a lot when dl'ing the packages. you can just run the build cmd again and it most likely goes further. i use a for-loop in that point :)
Nov 24 10:36:26 <Ford_Prefect> :)) let me try the for loop
Nov 24 10:36:46 <Bostik> looks like a network problem only, rpm version to retrieve is correct
Nov 24 10:37:16 <Ford_Prefect> http://crepo.meego.com/MeeGo:/1.1:/Core/standard/i586/rpm-4.8.1-2.6.i586.rpm returns a 404, though
Nov 24 10:37:32 <Ford_Prefect> https://api.pub.meego.com/build/MeeGo:1.1:Core/standard/i586/_repository/rpm otoh owrks
Nov 24 10:38:07 <Bostik> crepo.meego.com ; is that the old name for build.pub.meego.com ?
Nov 24 10:38:14 <Ford_Prefect> I think so
Nov 24 10:41:33 <X-Fade> Ford_Prefect: That looks like a configuration issue on our end.
Nov 24 10:42:24 <Ford_Prefect> X-Fade: ideas w.r.t. what I could try to fix this?
Nov 24 10:42:33 <Ford_Prefect> zupper install -f rpm gets the RPM fine and installs it
Nov 24 10:42:40 <X-Fade> Ford_Prefect: Notice _our_ end ;)
Nov 24 10:42:57 <Ford_Prefect> Whoops, I assumed you'd said "your" :)
Nov 24 10:47:47 <Ford_Prefect> X-Fade: do you want me to file a bug somewhere?
Nov 24 10:48:08 <X-Fade> Ford_Prefect: You can, but I'm looking at it now.
Nov 24 10:48:15 <Ford_Prefect> Ah, then not required
Nov 24 10:55:06 <Myrtti> Ford_Prefect: if you don't want karma for it ;-)
Nov 24 10:55:20 <Myrtti> though I'm not sure if there's any karma count going on
Nov 24 11:07:34 <X-Fade> Ford_Prefect: Can you try it again?
Nov 24 11:10:08 <Ford_Prefect> X-Fade: same error
Nov 24 11:13:50 <CosmoHill> sweet, I just did amicable numbers in 35 mines :D
Nov 24 11:13:52 <CosmoHill> lines*
Nov 24 11:38:05 <paines> hi
Nov 24 11:39:00 <lbt> khertan_: pong ... need your meego account
Nov 24 11:46:38 <X-Fade> Ford_Prefect: Can you try it again?
Nov 24 11:47:15 <JarodN> lbt: how does this OBS account request process goes? How long, where to get the account info etc :)
Nov 24 11:48:24 <lbt> you ask me... I say "done"... you sign in. You use the credentials from www.meego.com
Nov 24 11:49:04 <lbt> and......  [08:57] <lbt> JarodN: oops... I didn't say "done"
Nov 24 11:49:11 <Ford_Prefect> X-Fade: the same :(
Nov 24 11:49:19 <JarodN> I know...
Nov 24 11:49:27 <X-Fade> Ford_Prefect: It might be that it cached the old info.
Nov 24 11:49:27 <JarodN> Just didn't know :)
Nov 24 11:49:33 <paines> I compiled qemu-maemo with gles support and now I am trying to run the MEEGO_GENIVI_BEAGLE_DEMO image. however, I could need a hand with the parameters, cause I am pretty new to this.any one can help ?
Nov 24 11:51:01 <Ford_Prefect> X-Fade: is passing --clean enough to clean caches?
Nov 24 11:53:59 <lbt> JarodN: see "Getting Access" : http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder
Nov 24 11:54:32 <Ford_Prefect> Is using automake in a package frowned upon (I'm patching a Makefile.am)?
Nov 24 11:54:50 <Stskeeps> autogen.sh isn't unnormal
Nov 24 11:55:35 <Ford_Prefect> Ah, automake is a lot less intrusive than autogen.sh. Thanks :)
Nov 24 11:56:01 <JarodN> Ok, thanks. There was more simple instructions in http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started
Nov 24 11:56:30 <Termana> morning
Nov 24 11:56:47 <lbt> oh, yes, that's tutorial stuff ... I thought you mean account activation
Nov 24 11:57:52 <JarodN> That's what I was asking (trying to...) - if I get email or how do I know account is ready-
Nov 24 11:58:09 <JarodN> I'll wait for "done"  :)
Nov 24 12:09:48 <CosmoHill> wow, someone put enlightenment on a fridge
Nov 24 12:11:44 <CosmoHill> http://profusion.mobi/files/images/electrolux_en.jpg
Nov 24 12:37:35 <niala> 'mm
Nov 24 12:39:42 <niala> hey #meego you party with me my new celibacy  :)
Nov 24 12:44:13 <CosmoHill> you're new what?
Nov 24 12:44:20 <CosmoHill> *your
Nov 24 12:44:32 <CosmoHill> toi nu qui?
Nov 24 12:46:24 <lbt> CosmoHill: it's a new netbook model
Nov 24 12:46:40 <Stskeeps> lbt: comes with world of warcraft preinstalled?
Nov 24 12:46:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 12:46:40 <CosmoHill> lbt: cool
Nov 24 12:47:03 <CosmoHill> that would be awesome, saves on a huge amount of downloads
Nov 24 12:47:26 <lbt> hey Stskeeps... kernel modules... nfs... wasn't that removed from meego kernel package ?
Nov 24 12:47:50 <Stskeeps> lbt: we have them on n900, they're not enabled on the x86 builds and userland isn't supported, i think
Nov 24 12:48:33 <lbt> so looking at arjan's email
Nov 24 12:49:02 <lbt> wondering if the intent is to force a new kernel package rather than have a modules package
Nov 24 12:49:09 <Stskeeps> oh, regarding kernel modules?
Nov 24 12:49:14 <lbt> mmm 'force' is strong
Nov 24 12:49:26 <Stskeeps> i think it's to avoid incompatible modules and closed source modules
Nov 24 12:49:26 <lbt> yeah.. the 3rd party makes sense
Nov 24 12:49:46 <lbt> but I wonder about community providing nfs
Nov 24 12:49:49 <CosmoHill> lbt: do it the sony way, the update it totally option but if you don't do it you can't use this that and the other
Nov 24 12:49:54 <Stskeeps> regarding NFS, someone needs to maintain and qa the feature
Nov 24 12:50:00 <Stskeeps> that's pretty much what they said :P
Nov 24 12:50:00 <lbt> more for the "I run meego on my dev desktop"
Nov 24 12:51:18 <lbt> I'd expect that to be something that goes into Surrounds and *maybe* migrates to core
Nov 24 12:51:26 <lbt> but it's a good one to ask how we do that
Nov 24 13:18:53 <Ravlick> Hi
Nov 24 13:20:49 <andybleaden> Anybody managed to get cheese running properly -keeps crashing when I open it on meego with a segmentation fault
Nov 24 13:20:55 <Ravlick> so I'm developing some meego application which is using OpenGL 2.0, but when I could not compile shaders in my application using QGlShaders::compileFromSourceCode. This methos just prints 'Could not compile shader' into app output and that's all. QGlShader::log() returns empty string.
Nov 24 13:21:10 <Stskeeps> Ravlick: gfx card?
Nov 24 13:21:21 <Ravlick> Is it like this compiling stuff not implemented yet?
Nov 24 13:21:30 <Stskeeps> we use shaders fine on gles2.0 at least
Nov 24 13:21:32 <X-Fade> Ravlick: Just a heads up, OpenGL2.0 support will be dropped.
Nov 24 13:22:00 <Ravlick> Stskeeps, I'm running app in n900 device
Nov 24 13:22:11 <Stskeeps> Ravlick: well, then you should be using opengles 2.0
Nov 24 13:22:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 13:22:20 <Ravlick> and yes, if run this app on qemu emulator, all works fine
Nov 24 13:24:25 <Ravlick> Stskeeps, could you please print some very-very simple vertex shader which must be compiled for sure? ) Is 'void main(void) {gl_Position = vec4(0, 0, 0, 0); }' shader must be compiled or is any error in this code?
Nov 24 13:25:01 <Ravlick> do I need to install some OpenGl drivers on n900 before running my application?
Nov 24 13:25:18 <Stskeeps> Ravlick: no, nokia n900 meego comes with gles drivers and i have no idea about gl coding sorry :)
Nov 24 13:25:47 <Ravlick> Stskeeps, ok, thanks for info
Nov 24 13:27:44 <thiago> N900 doesn't have desktop GL
Nov 24 13:28:58 <w00t> 'desktop GL'? oh, you mean whatever isn't ES
Nov 24 13:28:58 <lcuk> hehe milkmen getting with the 21st century, internet ordering \0/
Nov 24 13:29:09 <Stskeeps> milkmen?
Nov 24 13:29:10 <thiago> Ravlick: check whether libQtOpenGL is linked to libGLESv2
Nov 24 13:29:10 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 24 13:29:19 <Stskeeps> should be if it's meego
Nov 24 13:29:22 <Stskeeps> on arm we default to that
Nov 24 13:29:29 <thiago> yeah, but let's just check
Nov 24 13:31:03 <Ravlick> thiago, how can I do it?.. )
Nov 24 13:31:21 <lcuk> Stskeeps, yes morning milk delivery people in little electric carts :)
Nov 24 13:31:37 <thiago> Ravlick: ldd
Nov 24 13:32:17 <Ravlick> thiago, thanks, I'll do
Nov 24 13:37:05 <Ravlick> looks like ok: libGLESv2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 (0x40bc8000)
Nov 24 13:40:40 <eljak> hello, when i flash the meego kernel onto my n900 phone but when it tries to boot i get cannot open device mmcblk0p1, anyone familiar with this error?
Nov 24 13:40:55 <Stskeeps> flashing or loading?
Nov 24 13:42:54 <lcuk> o_O
Nov 24 13:45:12 <eljak> Stskeeps, after i use the flasher utility when the phone boots i get this error, i was reading on a forum that when copying the raw image to the phone i should point to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1 is this correct?
Nov 24 13:45:26 <Stskeeps> right and put your back cover on, and use -l and not -f
Nov 24 13:45:55 <eljak> Stskeeps, i will try again thanks ;)
Nov 24 13:55:17 <lcuk> awesome, marnanel has made a new test prototype video of the predictive keyboard:
Nov 24 13:55:18 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gBtVYMq_ts
Nov 24 13:55:30 <CosmoHill> note to self: textmate + 35MB text file = bad
Nov 24 14:00:30 <tybollt> heh nice one on mobile-review on the topic of meego ;)
Nov 24 14:05:56 <dm8tbr> hmm so, will there be more videos available than day 1 for the conference?
Nov 24 14:06:45 <jonnor> dm8tbr: all days were filmed so I would expect it to turn up eventually
Nov 24 14:07:45 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: yes
Nov 24 14:14:22 <dm8tbr> ok, thanks. I'll try to be more patient then. :)
Nov 24 14:30:46 <Ravlick> where can I find source code of Qt for Meego?
Nov 24 14:33:35 <Bostik> repo.meego.com ?
Nov 24 14:34:06 <Bostik> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/  to be exact
Nov 24 14:39:12 <Ravlick> thanks
Nov 24 14:42:48 <lcuk> awesome, i can get loads of international minutes on my PAYG phone now, wonder if that includes data too?
Nov 24 14:43:02 * lcuk just got a text from o2
Nov 24 15:35:45 <lcuk> oh meego netbook ux browser, you are so special,  moving mouse to left or bottom or right edge means scrolling doesnt work because the cursor is no longer in the window
Nov 24 15:38:33 <qgil> Thumbs up/down to news doesn't work as expected (edit)
Nov 24 15:38:36 <qgil> oops
Nov 24 15:39:00 <qgil> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10443 - can you reproduce this http://news.meego.com bug?
Nov 24 15:42:50 <X-Fade> qgil: Worksforme[tm]
Nov 24 15:44:28 <qgil> great X-Fade , then we have a mre complicated bug  :)
Nov 24 15:45:04 <X-Fade> qgil: I'll check on my netbook later to see if it chromium.
Nov 24 15:45:12 <X-Fade> *it is
Nov 24 15:45:25 <X-Fade> Works in firefox for me at least.
Nov 24 15:45:37 <jonnor> qgil: worksforme Firefox
Nov 24 15:46:23 <qgil> thnks jonnor X-Fade please add your feedback to the bug in order to help bergie figuring out what is going on
Nov 24 15:47:42 <X-Fade> qgil: done
Nov 24 15:49:45 <jonnor> lbt: Hi, I'm hoping to do some packaging for Meego soon. Can you add me to the community OBS? username: jonnor
Nov 24 15:50:36 <lcuk> qgil, voted for it because I have same experience.
Nov 24 15:50:52 <qgil> lcuk: what browser?
Nov 24 15:51:00 <lcuk> firefox 3.6.10
Nov 24 15:51:02 <X-Fade> jonnor: done.
Nov 24 15:51:27 <qgil> then please comment on the bug since the hypothesis of the Chromium browser doesn't apply here
Nov 24 15:51:52 <lcuk> netbook is works
Nov 24 15:51:56 <lcuk> it^
Nov 24 15:51:58 <jonnor> X-Fade: thanks
Nov 24 15:52:44 <lcuk> qgil, updating firefox and will confirm then if i have same experience as X-Fade
Nov 24 15:52:50 <lcuk> will comment on all results
Nov 24 15:53:00 <qgil> lcuk: thanksalot
Nov 24 15:56:07 <lcuk> ok updated, new firefox did not cure
Nov 24 16:11:59 <miausX> hello there
Nov 24 16:12:30 <miausX> will be meeGo be available for Nokia N8?, and if not, what are the phones that will use it? I didn't find any info on the net
Nov 24 16:13:36 <part> That's because there isn't any info
Nov 24 16:14:10 <miausX> ok
Nov 24 16:29:30 <lbt> kanavin: encouraging OBS requests on here
Nov 24 16:29:42 <lbt> since I was away and X-Fade can also handle them
Nov 24 16:29:50 <lbt> what's you meego.com username
Nov 24 16:29:54 <kanavin> kanavin
Nov 24 16:30:04 <kanavin> actually, he did something, but I still can't login
Nov 24 16:32:37 <lbt> do you have a build.meego.com account ?
Nov 24 16:32:58 <kanavin> I guess I don't
Nov 24 16:33:21 <lbt> OK - because there's no kanavin in the user DB
Nov 24 16:33:26 <lbt> how long ago did you register
Nov 24 16:33:31 <lbt> <1hr ?
Nov 24 16:33:35 <kanavin> a couple hours ago
Nov 24 16:34:39 <kanavin> the confirmation email from meego.com arrived 89 minutes ago :)
Nov 24 16:34:52 <lbt> mmm
Nov 24 16:35:01 <lbt> so it should have sync'ed 30 mins ago
Nov 24 16:35:29 <kanavin> http://meego.com/users/kanavin
Nov 24 16:37:39 <FunkyPenguin> where can i find the srpm or tarball for libsocialweb as shipped in 1.1 netbook?
Nov 24 16:38:38 <lbt> kanavin: can you ping me in a couple of hrs please
Nov 24 16:38:47 <kanavin> ok
Nov 24 16:39:00 <CosmoHill> hey lbt
Nov 24 16:39:08 <lbt> hey CosmoHill
Nov 24 16:39:11 <CosmoHill> I just got 1.3Mb/s download on my phone :D
Nov 24 16:39:21 <lbt> faster than my adsl
Nov 24 16:39:36 <lcuk> lbt, cable is awesome :P
Nov 24 16:39:37 <CosmoHill> my adsl is 2 ~ 2.8Mb/s
Nov 24 16:39:45 <CosmoHill> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1043600622.png
Nov 24 16:39:50 <lbt> the engineer is coming on saturday to bullshit me about why I have no problem on the line
Nov 24 16:39:54 <CosmoHill> lbt: the best thing is, it doesn't cost me anything
Nov 24 16:40:13 <lcuk> lbt i got offered 40% off o2 landline broadband :)
Nov 24 16:40:15 * lbt looks for an op to kick CosmoHill and lcuk
Nov 24 16:40:21 <lcuk> shame it would be slower than virgin
Nov 24 16:40:25 <lcuk> :P
Nov 24 16:40:52 <CosmoHill> I now get 300 texts and 500MB for 30 days when I top up
Nov 24 16:41:02 <lcuk> CosmoHill, who are you with?
Nov 24 16:41:07 <CosmoHill> Vodafone pay as you go
Nov 24 16:41:25 <CosmoHill> you get more texts the more you top up
Nov 24 16:41:28 <lcuk> i have o2 PAYG, for £15 top up a month I get ~unlimited text and data
Nov 24 16:42:27 <lcuk> luke manages to use [infinity_symbol] texts a month with his facebook thingy
Nov 24 16:42:55 <CosmoHill> ©ƒ∂©˙∆˚åß∂œ∑´®†¥¨^ø𓑬˚∆˙©ƒ∂…æ≥≤µ~∫√ç≈Ω¡€#¢∞§¶
Nov 24 16:43:08 <CosmoHill> ∞ found it
Nov 24 16:43:16 <lcuk> ta
Nov 24 16:43:17 <lcuk> :D
Nov 24 16:43:24 <CosmoHill> alt + 5
Nov 24 16:43:48 <lcuk> probably wouldnt work through this vnc
Nov 24 16:43:55 <CosmoHill> one of my programs has the  best case of 1 and worst case of ∞ ^.^
Nov 24 16:45:37 <niala> just an humouristic image  http://bonjourdesillusion.tumblr.com/post/1660829525/tim-berners-lee-inquiet-le-web-est-en-danger
Nov 24 16:47:21 <CosmoHill> I prefer 1991
Nov 24 16:47:34 <CosmoHill> even tho I'm not sure I was even able to talk in 1992
Nov 24 16:47:40 <CosmoHill> *1991
Nov 24 16:50:19 <niala> I agree with you
Nov 24 16:50:54 <CosmoHill> one thing I hate about the media and the internet is that they make me know about people I don't care about
Nov 24 16:51:14 <CosmoHill> like lady bacon, justin jailbait and the twin twats
Nov 24 16:51:57 <ShadowJK> yeah don't tell lcuk about lady bacon
Nov 24 16:52:14 <pupnik> The internet does not do that.
Nov 24 16:52:24 <pupnik> With the internet YOU choose your information
Nov 24 16:52:31 <pupnik> With the media THEY choose
Nov 24 16:54:00 <pupnik> Open source has wide social implications, and it's inextricable from the cultural ethos.
Nov 24 16:54:30 <sabotage> lbt: are there (or will there be) ML's set up similar to the core OBS ones that capture commit requests (SR's) and discussions related to them?
Nov 24 16:54:49 <trip0> wonder how they can boot in < 1s: http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2010/11/22/49940/Linux-and-graphics-boot-in-under-a-second.htm
Nov 24 16:55:29 <sabotage> trip0: WFH today?
Nov 24 16:55:46 <lbt> sabotage: quite possible
Nov 24 16:55:55 <lcuk> trip0, depends on the apps running
Nov 24 16:56:09 <lcuk> easy to do though
Nov 24 16:56:11 <lbt> sabotage: right now I want a simple pub-dev@meego.com ml
Nov 24 16:56:16 <lbt> which apparently exists...
Nov 24 16:56:25 <arfoll> lcuk, depends if they are "booting" or coming back from hibernation
Nov 24 16:56:30 <lcuk> look at bios screens, they are graphical before you even have a hard drive working!
Nov 24 16:56:41 <lbt> hands up if you thought meego-sdk is the place to ask questions about building apps on community OBS .... ffs
Nov 24 16:56:56 <arfoll> lbt, any place you are is the place for OBS
Nov 24 16:57:08 <lbt> rofl
Nov 24 16:57:24 <mortenmj> i should get lbt's home number so i can ask him about OBS
Nov 24 16:58:01 * lbt is always available for consultancy at reasonable rates
Nov 24 16:58:14 * arfoll thinks lbt is smoking the good stuff
Nov 24 16:58:33 <mortenmj> why would any upstanding individual smoke the bad stuff?
Nov 24 16:58:37 * lbt only puffs the magic smoke
Nov 24 16:58:44 <CosmoHill> arfoll: hedge trimmings?
Nov 24 16:58:53 <sabotage> lbt, doesn't OBS == Obvious But Stupid, ergo, any channel is ok to ask OBS questions
Nov 24 16:59:00 <sabotage> the flaming will be the same
Nov 24 16:59:21 <trip0> sabotage, nah, i'll be there in 5 winks of your two dog's tails
Nov 24 16:59:22 <lbt> sabotage: it is nicely pervasive
Nov 24 16:59:35 <arfoll> well tbh *pub.meego.com - hence where is my beer?
Nov 24 16:59:44 <sabotage> nod!
Nov 24 16:59:55 <lbt> shh... we have the DNS coming soon
Nov 24 16:59:56 * sabotage is missing all the free Guinness
Nov 24 17:00:01 <mortenmj> i got nothing from the dev mailing list on why app_compliance fails on OBS packages :(
Nov 24 17:00:04 <mortenmj> anyone sporting a clue?
Nov 24 17:00:09 <lbt> then we get all kinds of easter-egg sites...
Nov 24 17:00:16 <lbt> happyhour.pub.meego.com
Nov 24 17:00:31 <CosmoHill> why did I click on that >.<
Nov 24 17:00:34 <sabotage> brew.pub.meego.com
Nov 24 17:00:44 <arfoll> CosmoHill, cause like me you're an idiot
Nov 24 17:01:09 <CosmoHill> I like clicking things
Nov 24 17:01:51 <sabotage> so, to ask an OBS question...
Nov 24 17:02:17 <mortenmj> (obvious but stupid)
Nov 24 17:02:19 <sabotage> seems I was an overachiever and managed to submit the first SR to Surrounds
Nov 24 17:02:22 <sabotage> of course
Nov 24 17:02:32 <sabotage> so "now what?" lbt ;)
Nov 24 17:02:59 <lbt> you wait
Nov 24 17:03:08 <sabotage> have we got a process for this yet defined, or project owners set up to accept
Nov 24 17:03:09 <sabotage> heh
Nov 24 17:03:10 <lbt> OBS
Nov 24 17:03:15 <sabotage> cool, I'm used to it
Nov 24 17:03:22 <mortenmj> has anyone here tried running app_compliance on their own OBS-generated package?
Nov 24 17:03:27 * lbt likes that as a response... :)
Nov 24 17:03:39 <arfoll> mortenmj, no how would i go about that?
Nov 24 17:03:56 <CosmoHill> lbt: does that put you in charge  of the obvious but stupid?
Nov 24 17:04:01 <sabotage> mortenmj: first I've heard of it, sorry
Nov 24 17:04:08 <mortenmj> arfoll: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/ComplianceTools
Nov 24 17:04:09 <lbt> sabotage: if you want to recall it I can clean it up
Nov 24 17:04:16 <lbt> but no harm having it there
Nov 24 17:04:32 <sabotage> huh, something wrong with it?
Nov 24 17:04:33 <lbt> CosmoHill: heh... our team
Nov 24 17:04:41 * sabotage assume lbt refers to his SR
Nov 24 17:04:55 <mortenmj> honestly not sure how important it is. i tried it on several package in core, and while the tool would actually run on those, they all failed the tests
Nov 24 17:05:04 <Stskeeps> lbt: why would linked instance projects not show up in advanced adding repositories?
Nov 24 17:05:05 * CosmoHill goes to kill people in the 16th centenary 
Nov 24 17:05:08 <lbt> sabotage: yes... I have no probs leaving it ... if you made a mistake we can clean it up
Nov 24 17:05:26 <mortenmj> lbt: do you know who i'd talk to about getting my packages in core?
Nov 24 17:05:28 <lbt> Stskeeps: url ?
Nov 24 17:05:37 <sabotage> lbt, AFAICS... it's fine
Nov 24 17:05:42 <lbt> mortenmj: meego-dev@meego.com
Nov 24 17:05:52 <sabotage> https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/1
Nov 24 17:06:10 <Stskeeps> lbt: using appliance, setup OBS, then going to my home prj, repositories -> add, advanced interface, search for openSUSE.org: .. nothing found
Nov 24 17:06:18 <Stskeeps> same goes for meego link
Nov 24 17:06:30 <sabotage> build succeeded on all meego_1.1* and meego_current targets
Nov 24 17:06:36 <mortenmj> lbt: thanks. though i imagine they would have to be demonstrably compliant, and without being able to use app_compliance, it would seem i'm stuck
Nov 24 17:06:52 <lbt> Stskeeps: don't think it searches across instances
Nov 24 17:07:07 <lbt> you need to add them into the repo list in the webapi config
Nov 24 17:07:13 <Stskeeps> lbt: well, how am i supposed to add? i can write it manually but can't write 'standard' for instance
Nov 24 17:07:18 <Stskeeps> in repo
Nov 24 17:07:40 <Stskeeps> ok.
Nov 24 17:08:21 <X-Fade> lbt, sabotage: I wonder if scratch the problem is not more an Extras candidate than Surrounds?
Nov 24 17:08:29 <lbt> Stskeeps: raw config ?
Nov 24 17:08:37 <X-Fade> s/problem/program/ :)
Nov 24 17:08:51 <lbt> sabotage: X-Fade is right
Nov 24 17:09:02 <X-Fade> See, people come to me with problems more than programs lately :)
Nov 24 17:09:38 <lbt> Surrounds is when you have multiple packages that depend on a library ... and there is a serious commitment to be a long-term maintainer
Nov 24 17:10:43 <arfoll> lbt, so i could submit xbmc to surrounds?
Nov 24 17:11:27 <sabotage> lbt: X-Fade: ok, that's cool... really couldn't tell from the project descriptions
Nov 24 17:11:48 <lbt> arfoll: no. same rule
Nov 24 17:11:56 <lbt> what depends on it ?
Nov 24 17:12:11 <X-Fade> sabotage: Yes needs better explanations.
Nov 24 17:12:32 <arfoll> lbt, ah it's for libraries and such, so I coudl put all my deps for my XBMC package there?
Nov 24 17:12:38 <arfoll> like lets say libmicrohttpd?
Nov 24 17:13:24 <X-Fade> sabotage: Declined it, just to test if that works :)
Nov 24 17:13:29 <sabotage> heh
Nov 24 17:13:33 <sabotage> I just noticed  ;)
Nov 24 17:13:57 <X-Fade> sabotage: As scratch doesn't depend on anything not in core, it should be ok for Extras anyway.
Nov 24 17:15:09 <sabotage> done
Nov 24 17:15:13 <sabotage> https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2
Nov 24 17:15:20 <lcuk> ooh helsinki meego meetup dec 1st
Nov 24 17:15:36 <X-Fade> lcuk: yes I'll be there.
Nov 24 17:16:50 * lcuk ponders how to get flights and a room
Nov 24 17:21:10 <thp> anyone got a link to a good RPM packaging howto/tutorial?
Nov 24 17:21:52 <Macer> so how is the n900 port coming along?
Nov 24 17:21:58 <Macer> anything worth seriously using yet?
Nov 24 17:22:27 <mortenmj> thp: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=rpm+packaging+tutorial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Nov 24 17:22:40 <mortenmj> there's a bunch right there
Nov 24 17:23:55 <thp> mortenmj: thanks. but i was looking for recommendations of really good ones. i can obviously google myself :)
Nov 24 17:24:23 <mortenmj> third one from the top, about the OBS, helped me
Nov 24 17:25:28 <thp> mortenmj: url? (because google results seem to be sorted differently based on geographic locations and client config)
Nov 24 17:26:03 <mortenmj> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial
Nov 24 17:26:21 <mortenmj> if you have any specific questions, don't hesitate to ask
Nov 24 17:26:56 <timeless_mbp> Macer: apparently the instructions for the n900 don't bother to say "please remember to uncompress the image before you try to dd it"
Nov 24 17:27:44 <thp> mortenmj: thanks a lot, will work through the tutorial first before bugging you with questions :)
Nov 24 17:30:01 <Macer> timeless_mbp: hahaha!
Nov 24 17:30:38 <Macer> timeless_mbp: sounds like a pretty important step :)
Nov 24 17:30:53 <Macer> timeless_mbp: but how functional is it?
Nov 24 17:31:02 <Macer> still no modem and cams support
Nov 24 17:31:13 <timeless_mbp> Macer: um, i dunno, a colleague indicated that he and a friend of his couldn't get it to work because of that
Nov 24 17:31:34 <timeless_mbp> i'm not going to bother trying it until someone tells me "I followed the instructions on <link here> and it works perfectly"
Nov 24 17:32:02 <timeless_mbp> sorry, for some insane reason... i expect my phone to  <just work>
Nov 24 17:32:21 <timeless_mbp> it's really hard to explain, especially to some markets where people don't actually want to use phones to e.g. talk to other people
Nov 24 17:34:36 <Stskeeps> Macer: modem support's there, we can make calls
Nov 24 17:34:43 <Stskeeps> Macer: camera support, we have viewfinder working
Nov 24 17:37:20 <ali1234> Macer: meego handset is still completely unusable for day to day
Nov 24 17:38:13 <mortenmj> Stskeeps: why exactly are we using ofono to make calls? using telepathy worked great in maemo, and we're still using telepathy for other things...
Nov 24 17:39:56 <tripzero> good question
Nov 24 17:40:03 * tripzero points at sabotage and runs
Nov 24 17:40:35 <Stskeeps> mortenmj: i think the plan is to go for telepathy-ring but this didn't exist for ofono until recently
Nov 24 17:40:53 <Stskeeps> mortenmj: telepathy worked cos it communicated with a large blob of closed source telephony stack
Nov 24 17:41:13 <ali1234> right, ofono and telepathy are not the same thing at all, you need both in some form...
Nov 24 17:41:44 <mortenmj> ah, i see. so the plan is to use telepathy on top of ofono?
Nov 24 17:42:30 <terracon> anything qt'ish that uses telepathy
Nov 24 17:43:45 <ali1234> i don't know about plans... but it would be nice
Nov 24 17:44:22 <mortenmj> it would. and considering how much effort nokia went to developing telepathy-ring, i don't see why we wouldn't
Nov 24 17:44:33 <mortenmj> i was just under the impression that we aren't currently...
Nov 24 17:44:42 <ali1234> isn't all of telepathy largely nokia sponsored?
Nov 24 17:44:52 <ali1234> and ofono too for that matter
Nov 24 17:46:22 <mortenmj> it's developed by collabora. as for who pays them, i don't really know
Nov 24 17:46:50 <timeless_mbp> they definitely take money from nokia :)
Nov 24 17:46:54 <timeless_mbp> but they also give away shirts :)
Nov 24 17:46:59 * w00t nods
Nov 24 17:47:03 <w00t> we have many shirts
Nov 24 17:47:09 <mortenmj> i'd be surprised if they didn't get anything from nokia for their work
Nov 24 17:47:12 * timeless_mbp is wearing MeeGo Conf today
Nov 24 17:47:23 <timeless_mbp> yesterday was um ... "green" ?
Nov 24 17:47:29 <timeless_mbp> CodeThink, I think :)
Nov 24 17:47:35 <w00t> timeless_mbp: wear that ninja, c'mon
Nov 24 17:47:44 <w00t> :P
Nov 24 17:47:56 * arfoll only managed to get an XXL ninja...
Nov 24 17:48:02 <w00t> eheh
Nov 24 17:48:07 * lcuk is sure that the ideapads were geared to running meego :P
Nov 24 17:48:07 <mortenmj> xxl? the large was *huge*
Nov 24 17:48:09 <timeless_mbp> ninja??
Nov 24 17:48:12 <w00t> I should have qualified "we have many shirts" with "so long as they're huge"
Nov 24 17:48:26 <arfoll> mortenmj, yep my gf uses it as pyjamas
Nov 24 17:48:32 <w00t> timeless_mbp: our err.. what's the word.. mascot is a ninja
Nov 24 17:48:48 <timeless_mbp> w00t: is this collabra?
Nov 24 17:48:49 <mortenmj> timeless_mbp: why, the collabora codeninja, of course: http://www.collabora.co.uk/img/intro/index.png
Nov 24 17:49:05 <timeless_mbp> i'm not actually sure i got a collabora shirt
Nov 24 17:49:10 <w00t> timeless_mbp: yes
Nov 24 17:49:13 * timeless_mbp hasn't really unpacked yet
Nov 24 17:49:22 <w00t> if you didn't I will be so sad
Nov 24 17:49:29 <mortenmj> i got mine, hells yeah
Nov 24 17:49:38 <arfoll> i agree, it was way nicer than the qt tshirts
Nov 24 17:49:47 * timeless_mbp didn't get a qt tshirt :(
Nov 24 17:49:47 <mortenmj> i should have gotten a qt shirt as well
Nov 24 17:49:59 <timeless_mbp> and i even was vaguely helpful @ the qt booth
Nov 24 17:49:59 * w00t neither - but did get a shedload of stickers :)
Nov 24 17:49:59 <arfoll> we can tell you guys aren't students ;-)
Nov 24 17:50:08 <mortenmj> i totally am a student
Nov 24 17:50:11 <timeless_mbp> arfoll: i.e. not professional tshirt collectors?
Nov 24 17:50:20 <timeless_mbp> i'm not quite retired, but i'm definitely out of practice
Nov 24 17:50:26 <w00t> i've been putting them to good use by sticking them on everything from my phone to everything else :)
Nov 24 17:50:44 <arfoll> mortenmj, wow you need to improve - how you gonna survive without tshirts?
Nov 24 17:50:54 <arfoll> washing is expensive
Nov 24 17:50:57 <w00t> lol
Nov 24 17:51:02 <timeless_mbp> i'll check, if i got the collabora one, if i didn't, i presume someone could include one for the next trip to HEL
Nov 24 17:51:30 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, there are collaborans around you, not sure if theres a stock of shirts tho
Nov 24 17:51:36 <mortenmj> arfoll: oh, i don't actually wear conference tshirts. they're for gym use
Nov 24 17:51:45 <mortenmj> and working around the house
Nov 24 17:51:49 <timeless_mbp> mortenmj: oh
Nov 24 17:51:51 <timeless_mbp> that's poor form
Nov 24 17:52:05 <mortenmj> sorry, but i try to blend in with the muggles
Nov 24 17:52:06 <timeless_mbp> you're taking something from them and not doing proper advertising in trade
Nov 24 17:52:15 <timeless_mbp> do you wear a suit?
Nov 24 17:52:28 <mortenmj> not for work or anything, but whenever i get a chance, sure
Nov 24 17:52:29 <arfoll> i think i only own free tshirts... either unicycling conventions or it conventions
Nov 24 17:52:59 <GAN900> Anybody see the shot of the unreleased device? http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5199738403/
Nov 24 17:53:42 <timeless_mbp> heh
Nov 24 17:53:50 <arfoll> GAN900, isn't that an n900?
Nov 24 17:54:00 <timeless_mbp> arfoll: you have to read the stickers
Nov 24 17:54:10 <w00t> lol
Nov 24 17:54:27 <ColKilkenny> mmmm... beer
Nov 24 17:54:28 <mortenmj> poor timeless_mbp only has an old N00
Nov 24 17:54:43 <arfoll> lol ok
Nov 24 17:54:49 <timeless_mbp> mortenmj: i heard rumor someone around the office has a newer version
Nov 24 17:54:55 <mortenmj> and all the hot girls at the nokia store give him shit about it :(
Nov 24 17:56:04 <lcuk> if that is the new device, i firmly expect that the glass next to it is the alcohol fuel cell
Nov 24 17:56:28 <lcuk> a pint of guinness for myself and half for my phone, its had a long day
Nov 24 17:56:29 <mortenmj> intel atom powered? i look forward to a 30 second battery life
Nov 24 17:56:45 <arfoll> loving the fact people call it a "device". is that hinting that the battery life is going to be so short that it wont qualify as a phone?
Nov 24 17:57:22 <lcuk> arfoll, :) well, since Nokia n900 isnt a phone or a computer, device suits it quite well
Nov 24 17:57:32 <GAN900> arfoll, well, it still wont support MMS. :P
Nov 24 17:57:35 * lcuk has called it that from day-1
Nov 24 17:57:45 <mortenmj> while i like my n900, it's actually ridiculously complicated to make an old fashioned phonecall
Nov 24 17:57:52 <GAN900> I'm going to crop that shot and blurrycam it up a bit
Nov 24 17:57:57 <GAN900> then leak to Talk.
Nov 24 17:58:04 <mortenmj> if i ever injured myself in a drunken stupor, and this could very well happen, i don't think i'd ever be able to dial 911 on it
Nov 24 17:58:07 <arfoll> GAN900, i've had 4 phones that could do mms, none of them had worked
Nov 24 17:58:10 <GAN900> mortenmj, shortcutd.
Nov 24 17:58:11 <lcuk> mortenmj, ? press phone, receive bacon.
Nov 24 17:58:22 <GAN900> Long press on camera button to bring up phone.
Nov 24 17:58:37 <GAN900> Also: short press to show dashboard.
Nov 24 17:59:18 <lcuk> open a console, insmod the driver, change user, download the new software, chmod it, run the script it offers, alt tab back to console, enter the number, done
Nov 24 17:59:21 <lcuk> what could be more simple?
Nov 24 17:59:37 <mortenmj> i'm convinced this phone will kill me
Nov 24 17:59:45 <mortenmj> i'll try to dial 911, fail, and die
Nov 24 17:59:57 <arfoll> mortenmj, email them
Nov 24 18:00:08 <lcuk> HAHA
Nov 24 18:00:11 <w00t> evolution in action i say
Nov 24 18:00:12 <mortenmj> see, that's a lot easier in maemo actually
Nov 24 18:00:32 <mortenmj> w00t: i have to navigate to the right desktop, press the phone icon, select the dial pad, and type the number
Nov 24 18:00:47 <w00t> mortenmj: btw, wouldn't you be kind of screwed dialling 911 where you are anyhow? :P
Nov 24 18:01:01 <mortenmj> yeah i'd be boned no matter what
Nov 24 18:01:06 <lcuk> mortenmj, you removed the phone app from the menu available on any desktop?
Nov 24 18:01:25 <mortenmj> there's a menu available on any desktop?
Nov 24 18:01:35 <w00t> no, but you can add shortcuts to applications
Nov 24 18:01:35 <mortenmj> i don't think i removed that,  but if i did, how do i add it again?
Nov 24 18:01:48 <mortenmj> well yeah. i could have a phone shortcut on all my desktops
Nov 24 18:01:50 <w00t> so for me, turn screen on, press phone icon, I have a phone
Nov 24 18:02:07 <lcuk> some people use the launch phone by turning
Nov 24 18:02:16 <lcuk> but I find a wrist strap helps
Nov 24 18:02:35 <w00t> (in fact, phone app is usually the first thing focused anyway, as I use it most often)
Nov 24 18:02:39 <GAN900> shortcutd!
Nov 24 18:03:12 <mortenmj> w00t: focused? not following. are we talking about maemo, or meego?
Nov 24 18:03:17 <lcuk> thp, now can you do the same on meego, since that was where you were meant to be building for :P
Nov 24 18:03:57 <w00t> mortenmj: maemo
Nov 24 18:04:22 <w00t> as in, I switch screen on, phone app is running and in the foreground
Nov 24 18:04:40 <mortenmj> oh, right. you always leave it running
Nov 24 18:04:52 <w00t> well yeah, i basically never close things :)
Nov 24 18:05:17 <w00t> I have 12 applications (not windows, apps) open at the moment
Nov 24 18:05:18 <mortenmj> hm. i wish i could mark a group of shortcuts and somehow have them show on all desktops
Nov 24 18:08:01 <X-Fade> wtf. Got kicked off :)
Nov 24 18:09:22 <mortenmj> that picture of the alleged N9 raises an interesting question. now that nokia and intel are working together, how hard will intel push to have nokia use the atom on their phones?
Nov 24 18:09:50 <mortenmj> how hard are they pushing already?
Nov 24 18:40:03 <GAN900> When will XChat get connection migration savvy. . . .
Nov 24 18:40:36 <X-Fade> GAN900: That is called screen + irssi on a server ;)
Nov 24 18:44:12 <GAN900> X-Fade, don't like irssi on here.
Nov 24 18:44:39 <Kaadlajk> client of the future!
Nov 24 18:44:46 * CosmoHill uses X-Chat Aqua :)
Nov 24 18:44:54 <GAN900> CosmoHill, Adium.
Nov 24 18:45:16 <CosmoHill> I have that too but I don't use it for irc
Nov 24 18:45:36 <GAN900> Better than XChat
Nov 24 18:45:39 <CosmoHill> I upgraded to leopard a few months ago
Nov 24 18:47:25 <CosmoHill> sooner or later I'll have to move over to linux but that will depend upon how long my powerbook lasts for
Nov 24 18:58:53 <CosmoHill> in printf, what is a double?
Nov 24 19:00:45 <mihero> %f
Nov 24 19:00:59 <Mikho> same as float
Nov 24 19:01:03 <CosmoHill> thanks
Nov 24 19:05:33 <pupnik> look at this and engage brain http://www.google.com/trends?q=meego
Nov 24 19:12:15 <pupnik> we are chunks of matter typing to each other
Nov 24 19:12:16 <pupnik> that's pretty cool
Nov 24 19:13:05 <RST38h> pupnik: Not even that, just IP addresses sending shit to each other
Nov 24 19:13:23 <RST38h> There is no evidence that you are anything but an IP address =)
Nov 24 19:19:22 <pupnik> RST38h: if you blind yourself to .. thought... sure
Nov 24 19:20:32 <pupnik> so we chunks of matter want to share our life experiences with one another
Nov 24 19:21:08 <pupnik> to not be alone in our experience
Nov 24 19:21:22 <RST38h> pupnik: A true scientist is supposed to free himself from all bias and not make a single smallest assumption!
Nov 24 19:21:28 * RST38h cackles
Nov 24 19:22:11 <pupnik> that doesn't apply to descriptions of our internal state
Nov 24 19:22:17 <RST38h> pupnik: So, from the scientific point of view we are IP addresses exchanging data packets mostly containing sequences of numbers in 32..126 range
Nov 24 19:22:48 <pupnik> that is a so-called 'behaviorist' model of philosophy - yes
Nov 24 19:23:05 <pupnik> but you can make more reasonable assumptions based on your limited information
Nov 24 19:23:07 <RST38h> you can probably build a huge mo@#%$ing bayesian network to predict the type of data that will follow given data
Nov 24 19:23:28 <pupnik> sometimes two people respond with the same answer to a question
Nov 24 19:23:44 <RST38h> pupnik: Let us assume the are the same guy!
Nov 24 19:23:55 <pupnik> in some ways, we are
Nov 24 19:30:50 * csdb looks at the google trend and wonders what caused the spike in 2004
Nov 24 19:31:36 <Stskeeps> of meego?
Nov 24 19:33:31 <csdb> yeah - if you look at the link that pupnik sent a little while ago (http://www.google.com/trends?q=meego) there is a spike in '04 which is higher than the spike after the initial MeeGo announcement in 2010
Nov 24 19:33:41 <csdb> meego must have meant something different in 2004
Nov 24 19:33:54 <csdb> or people were already planning...
Nov 24 19:35:48 <Stskeeps> chile centered, mostly
Nov 24 19:36:07 <stephg> social networking ;)
Nov 24 19:36:19 * stephg affects south american accent
Nov 24 19:40:26 <csdb> maybe this was all the rage in '04: http://www.meegos.com/
Nov 24 19:40:54 <csdb> or DJ Meego had his 15 minutes of fame: http://www.myspace.com/djmeego1
Nov 24 19:41:29 <Stskeeps> yeah, meegos were all the rage in 2004
Nov 24 19:41:33 <lcuk> it was the tv show
Nov 24 19:41:35 <Stskeeps> even i recall them
Nov 24 19:42:24 <lcuk> ooh yeah Stskeeps
Nov 24 19:45:13 <lcuk> also walter meego band from 2004
Nov 24 19:54:30 <Myrtti> myyyhhh
Nov 24 19:54:35 <Stskeeps> moo
Nov 24 19:55:17 <Stskeeps> evening fiferboy
Nov 24 19:55:33 <fiferboy> Stskeeps: Good afternoon :)
Nov 24 19:56:11 <Myrtti> second day of working at the office in three years... didnt realise or remember it was this exhausting...
Nov 24 19:56:43 <Stskeeps> working from a sofa does spoil you
Nov 24 19:56:57 <Myrtti> it does...
Nov 24 19:57:26 <Myrtti> though i work by a desk at home too
Nov 24 20:00:05 <qgil> Interesting comparing the MeeGo trends page with http://www.google.com/trends?q=android&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
Nov 24 20:00:32 <qgil> MeeGo speakes Finnish, Android speaks Korean - Swedish has the best average on both  :)
Nov 24 20:02:31 <lbt> hey fiferboy
Nov 24 20:02:40 <fiferboy> Hi lbt
Nov 24 20:02:51 <lbt> I didn't get out to enough community drinking events :)
Nov 24 20:03:23 <fiferboy> lbt: I didn't get any ice cream!
Nov 24 20:03:26 <lbt> can we have another conference with less talks and more evenings :D
Nov 24 20:03:49 <lbt> ah... we found icecream in the bar area
Nov 24 20:04:06 <fiferboy> lbt: Actually, I did have some Ben & Jerry's at lunch
Nov 24 20:04:35 <lbt> that just kept us going to the italian stuff at night
Nov 24 20:06:19 <GAN900> fiferboy, neither did I!
Nov 24 20:06:31 <GAN900> Jipped in BCN, too.
Nov 24 20:06:49 <fiferboy> GAN900: I didn't think nearly perfect automatons needed ice cream...
Nov 24 20:07:04 <GAN900> fiferboy, need and want are two different things.
Nov 24 20:07:13 <fiferboy> Good point
Nov 24 20:07:35 <GAN900> lbt, and the unconference day got killed by Lenovos.
Nov 24 20:07:42 <lbt> it did a bit
Nov 24 20:07:46 <GAN900> lbt, shoulda come to the football reception.
Nov 24 20:07:51 <lbt> I agree
Nov 24 20:07:56 <lbt> that was a mistake
Nov 24 20:07:57 <GAN900> We had lots of fun with our free Guinness.
Nov 24 20:08:15 * lbt hits rewind on his lenovo
Nov 24 20:08:33 * lbt files a bug that he's not back in dublin after hitting rewind
Nov 24 20:08:45 <lcuk> the football was sweet
Nov 24 20:09:01 <GAN900> Good rule for the next conference: manage to get the hardware for the giveaways on the days when nobody's doing collab stuff.
Nov 24 20:10:32 * RevdKathy is cross she missed the footie
Nov 24 20:11:10 * lcuk explained the offside rule to non-fotball speaking folks
Nov 24 20:11:49 <CosmoHill> :)
Nov 24 20:12:03 * CosmoHill remembers the offside rule being explained to him
Nov 24 20:13:01 <Myrtti> "november coldness records may be rewritten, super cold front approaches"
Nov 24 20:13:14 <lcuk> awesome Myrtti
Nov 24 20:13:19 <lcuk> that means the sea will freeze
Nov 24 20:13:25 * RevdKathy doesn't really care for footie - but understands the offside rule. And worse, knows the laws of cricket
Nov 24 20:13:38 <lbt> 'laws' :)
Nov 24 20:13:46 <RevdKathy> Does this mean that Hel will freeze over?
Nov 24 20:13:55 <Myrtti> yup
Nov 24 20:13:59 <lcuk> it does often
Nov 24 20:24:10 <GAN900> RevdKathy, when doesn't HEL freeze over?
Nov 24 20:24:34 <RevdKathy> Good point GAN900
Nov 24 20:25:21 <RevdKathy> Next time someone tells me I can get a payrise when Hell freezes over I'll draw their attention to that
Nov 24 20:25:37 <TomaszC> Hello
Nov 24 20:26:45 <GAN900> How many of you are planning on trying to make SF?
Nov 24 20:27:17 <Stskeeps> <-
Nov 24 20:27:21 <leinir> Hmm... i would certainly not mind going, but... yeah, same problem as with dublin - need sponsorship :)
Nov 24 20:27:29 <leinir> But if i get that, totally :)
Nov 24 20:27:36 <GAN900> Sponsorship is going to be difficult
Nov 24 20:27:44 <GAN900> Long distance for a lot of contributors.
Nov 24 20:27:57 <GAN900> Plus the whole Industry focus issue
Nov 24 20:27:58 <leinir> Yeah
Nov 24 20:28:07 <w00t> I might be there
Nov 24 20:28:09 <w00t> we'll see
Nov 24 20:28:16 <GAN900> Doesn't leave a lot of money for unaffiliateds.
Nov 24 20:28:34 <GAN900> w00t, let's plan Beer ahead of time for this one. *g*
Nov 24 20:29:31 <w00t> haha, good idea
Nov 24 20:30:32 <RevdKathy> Can someone tell me how to get back to normal view after I accidentally hit Alt+<fn|arrow>  and get the virtual terminal?
Nov 24 20:30:48 <RevdKathy> It's one of the few things that makes me irritated with Meego
Nov 24 20:31:05 <leinir> RevdKathy: keep hitting it? :)
Nov 24 20:31:07 <odin_> from a VC back to X11?  keep cycling Alt+Fx until you hit the display
Nov 24 20:31:44 <RevdKathy> trouble is, I do it by accident, and need to work out exactly what I hit
Nov 24 20:32:10 <RevdKathy> If I keep hitting it will bring me back?
Nov 24 20:32:26 <odin_> Ctrl+Alt+F1 ?  to get out X11=>VC was it
Nov 24 20:33:13 <lcuk> RevdKathy, on my laptop its f7
Nov 24 20:33:14 <GAN900> RevdKathy, think so.
Nov 24 20:33:19 <lcuk> but thats not working on netbook
Nov 24 20:33:33 <RevdKathy> I tried all the F buttons (yes, that's F - not F-ing)
Nov 24 20:33:35 <w00t> afaik meego has fewer VTs
Nov 24 20:33:37 <w00t> might be wrong
Nov 24 20:33:39 <lcuk> ctrl+alt+f7 i mean
Nov 24 20:33:51 <RevdKathy> ahh ok... I'll try that one, too
Nov 24 20:33:53 <Chani> hey, has anyone seen any good movies lately? :)
Nov 24 20:34:08 <RevdKathy> Anything rather than reboot, which is my only option currently
Nov 24 20:34:13 * Chani and pete are *completely* out of the loop these days
Nov 24 20:34:25 <lcuk> its ctrl+alt=f2
Nov 24 20:34:36 <Chani> no tv -> no ads -> no knowledge of upcoming movies
Nov 24 20:34:36 <RevdKathy> make up your mind!
Nov 24 20:34:37 <lcuk> thanks w00t
Nov 24 20:34:42 <lcuk> f7 on laptop
Nov 24 20:34:45 <lcuk> f2 on netbook
Nov 24 20:34:48 <lcuk> :P
Nov 24 20:34:53 <w00t> :)
Nov 24 20:34:53 <RevdKathy> But thank you. Hopefully that will stop me getting cross
Nov 24 20:35:00 <RevdKathy> You wouldn't like me when I'm angrry
Nov 24 20:35:02 <w00t> RevdKathy: just blame it on the bear :)
Nov 24 20:35:05 <ali1234> use alt-left and alt-right
Nov 24 20:35:24 <RevdKathy> w00t: I do - his big furry paws don't hit the keys cleanly
Nov 24 20:35:34 <ali1234> maybe multiple times
Nov 24 20:35:40 <ali1234> it loops through all VTs so you don't need to know which one
Nov 24 20:36:02 <pupnik> ali1234: how can you and i help computers be free
Nov 24 20:36:03 <mihero> rare exports movie
Nov 24 20:36:05 <lcuk> RevdKathy, easy solution to that, adaptive virtual keyboard :P
Nov 24 20:36:21 <leinir> *nods* Not to mention his claws ripping keys off )
Nov 24 20:36:23 <leinir> ;)
Nov 24 20:36:34 <pupnik> here's one great way
Nov 24 20:36:40 <pupnik> anyone involved with the meego project
Nov 24 20:36:50 <RevdKathy> leinir it's the spludgy marks on the screen from his nose that annoy most
Nov 24 20:36:53 <pupnik> who aids and abets any one interest or government organization
Nov 24 20:36:56 <pupnik> to spy on our data
Nov 24 20:36:59 <pupnik> shall be shot
Nov 24 20:37:12 <ali1234> btw, on meego, you don't need the ctrl modifier so just alt-f1 takes you to console
Nov 24 20:37:18 <pupnik> how about that for the guidelines?
Nov 24 20:37:18 <leinir> RevdKathy: Well, laptop keys are hard to reattach, but the marks can be wiped off... ;)
Nov 24 20:37:19 <Chani> pupnik: so as long as I'm a double-agent I'm safe? ;)
Nov 24 20:37:36 <RevdKathy> True... but they get in the way!
Nov 24 20:38:00 <pupnik> well, if you impinge on our privacy you're a terrorist
Nov 24 20:38:04 <pupnik> who must be killed without trial
Nov 24 20:38:16 <pupnik> right?
Nov 24 20:38:27 * Chani notes that canada has a nasty way of getting around the no-spying-on-citizens thing: export the work to america :P
Nov 24 20:38:49 <lcuk> pupnik, wayyy out of the park :S dont introduce topics like that
Nov 24 20:39:03 <pupnik> lcuk: you'd be a great prison camp guard
Nov 24 20:40:45 <GAN900> pupnik, you want ##politics
Nov 24 20:40:48 <pupnik> there is no hiding your head in the sand anymore
Nov 24 20:40:57 <pupnik> you want north korea GAN900 ?
Nov 24 20:41:33 <pupnik> you think this is seperable?
Nov 24 20:41:56 <pupnik> it's worthless unless it's a philosophy
Nov 24 20:42:07 <Stskeeps> pupnik: please stay on topic, this is a channel about meego
Nov 24 20:42:08 <GAN900> pupnik, let the poor MeeGons continue in their ignorance.
Nov 24 20:42:20 <Stskeeps> pupnik: for politics, go to the relevant channels
Nov 24 20:43:02 <odin_> agreed
Nov 24 20:43:26 <pupnik> it's worthless unless it's a philosophy
Nov 24 20:43:48 <lcuk> pupnik, if you want the kind of politics I like - we just got back from Ireland after a massively successful week, if every person arranges a local beer night and drinks guinness at it, perhaps in some way we can help the entire country since they are asking for monetary loan at the moment
Nov 24 20:44:31 <pupnik> why do you think i'm talking about politics?
Nov 24 20:44:56 <pupnik> i'm talking about communication
Nov 24 20:45:05 <RevdKathy> lcuk Works for me - when are we having a mass MeeGo sleepover at mine?
Nov 24 20:45:24 <lcuk> heh only if we can have bono playing in the attic again :P
Nov 24 20:45:51 <RevdKathy> The old lady next door might not be impressed, but the sound would be muffled by all the bears
Nov 24 20:45:53 <RevdKathy> and beers
Nov 24 20:45:57 <lcuk> invite her
Nov 24 20:46:17 <qgil> Trying to install MeeGo SDK in MeeGo, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/4mnDYURj
Nov 24 20:46:18 <RevdKathy> She's social phobic and almost never leaves the house. Mind she's also fairly deaf
Nov 24 20:46:27 <qgil> note the extra "/" in the URL
Nov 24 20:46:51 <lcuk> qgil, double // in the url
Nov 24 20:46:56 <lcuk> missing a hostname potentially
Nov 24 20:47:17 <lcuk> hm
Nov 24 20:47:28 <qgil> I'm following the instructions at http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#On_MeeGo
Nov 24 20:47:29 <lcuk> it doubled it after you said one without a double slash
Nov 24 20:48:05 <Stskeeps> qgil: wget of same url works?
Nov 24 20:48:35 <lcuk> also qgil, addrepo normally expects "zypper addrepo [url] [name]"
Nov 24 20:48:38 <lcuk> hm
Nov 24 20:48:51 <qgil> wget command not found.............
Nov 24 20:48:53 <GAN900> lcuk, hopefully Bono doesn't try to shake hands with my throat again.
Nov 24 20:49:40 <lcuk> GAN900, you shouldnt have tried to kiss The Edge then
Nov 24 20:50:09 <Stskeeps> qgil: ok, from web browser then :P
Nov 24 20:51:08 <AstralStorm> Stskeeps: any usable image to flash?
Nov 24 20:51:14 <lcuk> theres something going on between the command line specified and what zypper tries to use
Nov 24 20:51:22 <Stskeeps> AstralStorm: n900 yes, n8x0 no
Nov 24 20:52:17 <qgil> Stskeeps: yes, somethng shows up - copy&pasted at http://pastebin.com/nS9WkaGW (below)
Nov 24 20:53:26 <Stskeeps> qgil: hmm. you're not on a nokia network by chance? proxy and such
Nov 24 20:53:37 <qgil> Stskeeps: of course I am
Nov 24 20:53:39 <qgil> :)
Nov 24 20:54:22 <qgil> anyway, in fact my problem is that I need qmlviewer - and after installing the last Qt Creator it doesn't show up
Nov 24 20:55:00 <Stskeeps> qgil: so it seems like the shell isnt getting set up with http_proxy environment variables then, hmm
Nov 24 20:55:03 <qgil> Qt Quick is being faster for developing than for actually seeing the app, in my case  ;)
Nov 24 20:56:28 <AstralStorm> Stskeeps: bummer :(
Nov 24 20:57:01 <qgil> I was even wondering how difficult would it be to browse a .qml "web page" online with a qtwebkit based browser...
Nov 24 20:59:10 <Kaadlajk> zypper ar http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/meego/1.1 meegosdk
Nov 24 20:59:12 <Kaadlajk> might work
Nov 24 20:59:25 <Kaadlajk> dont have meego/fedora to try on
Nov 24 21:01:00 <Stskeeps> qgil: export http_proxy=http://hostname:port before running zypper command, hostname:ip being whatever the proxy is called in your part of the world. should work then
Nov 24 21:01:19 <Kaadlajk> ofc there might be a proxy problem
Nov 24 21:01:44 <Stskeeps> hostname:port, i mean
Nov 24 21:01:59 <qgil> lemme see Stskeeps (thank in advance)
Nov 24 21:02:28 <lcuk> Stskeeps, whats the // come from in the url?
Nov 24 21:03:21 <Stskeeps> lcuk: bug prolly
Nov 24 21:03:28 <Stskeeps> lcuk: irrelevant for fetching
Nov 24 21:03:45 <lcuk> g/me nods
Nov 24 21:03:51 <lcuk> damn nipple
Nov 24 21:03:56 <lcuk> -g
Nov 24 21:04:15 <timeless_mbp> heh
Nov 24 21:04:47 <timeless_mbp> qgil: please do not pollute the web with nonstandard file formats
Nov 24 21:04:50 <timeless_mbp> kthx
Nov 24 21:05:23 <w00t> I was talking with some people about getting Qt to render using HTML5 <canvas> calls the other week
Nov 24 21:05:26 <Kaadlajk> you should also be able to copy that repo file to /etc/zypp/repos.d/
Nov 24 21:05:26 <w00t> that was a fun discussion
Nov 24 21:05:43 <timeless_mbp> w00t: did you hear about GL pain?
Nov 24 21:05:50 <w00t> timeless_mbp: hmm?
Nov 24 21:05:50 <qgil> see timeless_mbp , problem solved  :)
Nov 24 21:06:10 <timeless_mbp> ?
Nov 24 21:08:23 <jespada_> Hi, is there a "way" or a meego way to instalkl jre on meego 1.1 ?
Nov 24 21:09:47 <CosmoHill> java runtime enviroment?
Nov 24 21:09:51 <jespada_> yup
Nov 24 21:10:40 <jespada_> or just grab a .rpm from fedora and install it
Nov 24 21:10:44 <jespada_> ?
Nov 24 21:16:32 <qgil> jespada_: have you checked http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=926 (found after searching "jre meego")
Nov 24 21:18:51 <jespada_> qgil, thanks for the link..
Nov 24 21:19:50 <RevdKathy> 'Night all
Nov 24 21:20:04 <lcuk> gnite RevdKathy
Nov 24 21:21:41 <qgil> w00t: URL of the repo where I can download qmlviewer, or where to start searching please?
Nov 24 21:21:48 <qgil> I can only find gitorious
Nov 24 21:22:06 <w00t> qgil: it's in the default repo I think, unless it's in the handset one only
Nov 24 21:22:19 <qgil> ah, you mean meego repo
Nov 24 21:22:22 <w00t> yeah
Nov 24 21:22:26 <w00t> sorry, should have been clear :)
Nov 24 21:24:09 <qgil> w00t: this looks good http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/meego/trunk/i586/meego-sdk-qt-qmlviewer-4.7.0-1.14.i586.rpm
Nov 24 21:26:08 <w00t> qgil: :)
Nov 24 21:26:13 <w00t> it was one of the first things I installed too
Nov 24 21:36:33 <w00t> Jaffa: doesn't it emit signals over dbus?
Nov 24 21:36:36 <w00t> i might be *completely* wrong
Nov 24 21:37:36 <marnanel> in case anyone would like to play with a cleverer version of the predictive-text keyboard, which uses Dasher as the back end: http://marnanel.org/DasherKeyboard/
Nov 24 21:39:07 <w00t> marnanel: do you have some algorithm that works over the entire string, not just one word?
Nov 24 21:39:18 <w00t> the longer my line gets, the slower it gets
Nov 24 21:39:41 <marnanel> w00t: this version actually does work over only one word; the real thing works over the whole string
Nov 24 21:40:10 <marnanel> w00t: the reason it worked faster for your first word is that you typed a word that someone had already typed, so it was in cache (I have the log in another window)
Nov 24 21:41:01 <w00t> ah :)
Nov 24 22:02:28 * marnanel watches the load on the webserver climbing.  top - 16:54:28 up 186 days,  4:42,  4 users,  load average: 26.01, 8.33, 3.24
Nov 24 22:02:39 <CosmoHill> ouch
Nov 24 22:02:49 <CosmoHill> those google bots are evil
Nov 24 22:13:16 <villev> this is the place to beg for community obs accounts?
Nov 24 22:13:24 <CosmoHill> yes
Nov 24 22:14:02 <villev> ok, I need to enable my "vivainio" account there. I plan to package some software
Nov 24 22:14:15 <villev> for netbook initially
Nov 24 22:14:35 <villev> lbt: so when you unidle ^^^^
Nov 24 22:16:01 <lbt> done
Nov 24 22:16:21 <mikhas> lcuk, marnanel - interesting VKB stuff
Nov 24 22:16:32 <marnanel> thanks
Nov 24 22:16:46 <villev> nice
Nov 24 22:16:54 <mikhas> timeless had a good point though - only need to increase hit area
Nov 24 22:17:12 <mikhas> and *maybe* a graphical cue, like a glow effect?
Nov 24 22:19:47 <sabotage> arjan... any clues as to why kernel-mid went from version 2.6.35.3-12.1 to 2.6.35.3-6.1 between last week (11/16) and yesterday (11/23)?
Nov 24 22:19:47 <marnanel> you're right, but that would be really hard to show on a web page
Nov 24 22:19:55 <sabotage> it really screws with updates
Nov 24 22:19:58 <marnanel> mikhas: so I'm representing that by the sizes of the buttons
Nov 24 22:20:10 <marnanel> mikhas: I like the idea of the glow effect
Nov 24 22:21:15 * marnanel watches the logs and considers whether I should have made it do something unusual when people type in obscenities :)
Nov 24 22:21:31 <mikhas> har
Nov 24 22:22:28 <prometoys> hi, is there a new users wikipage or so for meego?
Nov 24 22:23:19 <ali1234> marnanel: i don't get it, why do the letters keep changing size? it's confusing?
Nov 24 22:23:39 <marnanel> ali1234: it represents the strike zone changing size
Nov 24 22:23:52 <marnanel> ali1234: the more likely the letter, the larger the strike zone
Nov 24 22:24:06 <ali1234> so in a real app the letters wouldn't actually change size?
Nov 24 22:26:32 <philipp64|laptop> dumb question for you all... we're bringing up a platform with meego 1.1 based on an i686 derivative.  we have a Gstreamer plugin that can do hardware accelerated compression.
Nov 24 22:27:02 <prometoys> are there any additional repositories for meego? like "extras"? cant find much stuff in default repos
Nov 24 22:27:12 <ali1234> i can see it being useful to improve accuracy if the user hits between two keys... then you can "guess" what they meant by taking the most weighted key
Nov 24 22:27:25 <ali1234> but having the letters keep changing on a real device would just be annoying i think
Nov 24 22:27:26 <philipp64|laptop> I had originally planned on capturing a raw frame-grab from the video camera, and compressing it offline using ffmpeg+libx264, but now I'm being told we won't be getting accelerated libx264 from the processor vendor... just gstreamer plugins.
Nov 24 22:28:13 <philipp64|laptop> the questions is, what's the best strategy for capturing and compressing video (either real-time or not)... given that h/w accelerated gstreamer is all I have to play with?
Nov 24 22:28:37 <thp> prometoys: there's stuff that is built in the community obs, apparently. didn't really have a look yet, though
Nov 24 22:28:39 <ali1234> thing is, when i'm typing, i'm already lining up the next key press before i finish the current one
Nov 24 22:29:02 <ali1234> so if the next letter moves or changes as a result of current key press, i will get confused
Nov 24 22:30:46 <prometoys> thp: thanks, do you know the url or a guide?
Nov 24 22:31:27 <marnanel> ali1234: yeah, the letters don't change size on a real device.
Nov 24 22:34:04 <ali1234> actually your video gives me an idea... what if we apply the same thing to a musical keyboard?
Nov 24 22:36:14 <marnanel> sounds fun!
Nov 24 22:36:35 <ali1234> anyone could play improvised jazz solos just by noodling around and never go out of key :)
Nov 24 22:37:56 <sabotage> aha!
Nov 24 22:38:33 <sabotage> peter forked kernel-mid to it's own package, causing the build count number to be reset
Nov 24 22:38:50 <sabotage> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2010-November/008910.html
Nov 24 22:38:59 <sabotage> :/
Nov 24 22:39:57 <sabotage> bloody brilliant!
Nov 24 22:39:59 <thp> prometoys: no, sorry. staying in ubuntu for most of the time on the ideapad.. more -dev packages there, it seems :p
Nov 24 22:40:53 <ali1234> anybody working on ideapad accelerometer? i kind of wish i hadn't wiped the windows install so i could figure out how it works
Nov 24 23:24:53 <lcuk> marnanel, is there more discussion that could go onto the wiki?
Nov 24 23:25:10 <lcuk> i have added the prototypes but not any of the talking thats going on behind it
Nov 24 23:25:22 <mortenmj> i think the instructions to install meego in n900 are incomplete. it asks to use a file without ever mentioning where that file comes from
Nov 24 23:25:26 <mortenmj> http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900
Nov 24 23:25:50 <marnanel> lcuk: I don't think so.  it's mostly just been me writing prototypes today
Nov 24 23:26:17 <mortenmj> we extract meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2, which of course unpacks as meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-mmcblk0p.raw
Nov 24 23:26:28 <lcuk> mortenmj, the data for that page afaik comes from: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC
Nov 24 23:26:47 <lcuk> check that that page is correct and if not it should be changed and then we can get the clean page updated after that?
Nov 24 23:26:50 <mortenmj> then suddenly, in the next section, we're using a file named meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-vmlinuz-*-n900, which no explanation as to where we'd get that file
Nov 24 23:26:56 <mortenmj> lcuk: will do
Nov 24 23:28:13 <lcuk> marnanel, I noticed on the youtube link the description indicates discussion went on at collabora (missed that on my work chan?)
Nov 24 23:28:47 <marnanel> lcuk: mostly when I showed people the original n-gram thing and people started discussing it
Nov 24 23:28:56 <marnanel> lcuk: it was where the idea of using dasher came from
Nov 24 23:29:03 <mortenmj> lcuk: same problem. suddenly, we magically have a kernel file. it does explain that this file is found in the raw image, which is at least slightly better
Nov 24 23:29:29 <lcuk> marnanel, yeah I saw the awesomes and things from folks :D
Nov 24 23:29:36 <marnanel> :)
Nov 24 23:29:49 <lcuk> mortenmj, then have a go at wording it with inclusion of the kernel?
Nov 24 23:29:55 <mortenmj> lcuk: i will
Nov 24 23:30:28 <mikhas> the nice thing about a wiki ... damn, forgot ... what was the nice thing about wikis again?
Nov 24 23:30:29 <lcuk> meta: having two completely different conversations with "m" named nicknames in the same channel is confusing as hell
Nov 24 23:30:49 <lcuk> s/two/three/
Nov 24 23:30:50 <infobot> lcuk meant: meta: having three completely different conversations with "m" named nicknames in the same channel is confusing as hell
Nov 24 23:31:03 <mikhas> having error correction that turn lcuk into luck is no fun either
Nov 24 23:31:07 <lcuk> mikhas, its good for making notes
Nov 24 23:31:24 <lcuk> I kinda liked having a bit of luck at the conf :)
Nov 24 23:31:38 <lcuk> but I was glad I got to be myself eventually :)
Nov 24 23:31:52 <GAN900> mikhas, hush.
Nov 24 23:31:52 <mortenmj> lcuk: ah, correction: it's provided in the same *place* as the raw image
Nov 24 23:31:55 <mortenmj> will include
Nov 24 23:32:00 * CosmoHill sets fire to his program
Nov 24 23:32:08 <lcuk> mortenmj, great
Nov 24 23:32:55 <lcuk> mortenmj, worst thing, that page has been looked at 70000 times and nobody has mentioned your issue!
Nov 24 23:33:02 <lcuk> each has found little things themselves tho
Nov 24 23:33:31 * lcuk is forever surprised at how different people focus on different specifics
Nov 24 23:33:40 <mortenmj> lcuk: well, it's there but not clear enough. i tend to gloss over things
Nov 24 23:33:45 <mortenmj> i'm making it clearer
Nov 24 23:33:49 <lcuk> ++
Nov 24 23:33:50 <mortenmj> and i'm including a link to the download location
Nov 24 23:34:22 <mortenmj> i blame the internet for killing my attention span
Nov 24 23:34:49 <lcuk> indeed :) before the internet I used to go to the library
Nov 24 23:34:59 <lcuk> and get a bunch of books out and study them
Nov 24 23:35:19 * lcuk must have hired out the book on graphics numerous times
Nov 24 23:36:02 <lcuk> last time I visited Manchester Library a couple of months ago, it was closed for refurb!  its such a magnificent place
Nov 24 23:37:03 <mortenmj> lcuk: i don't think i have the necessary privileges to edit that page
Nov 24 23:37:21 <lcuk> mortenmj, the wiki page is open to all with accounts I am sure?
Nov 24 23:37:36 <mortenmj> yes, but not http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900
Nov 24 23:37:50 <mortenmj> which was the page i wanted to clarify
Nov 24 23:38:55 <mikhas> ah yes, that was the best thing about a wiki - everyone can edit it ... not!
Nov 24 23:39:00 <mikhas> how annoying
Nov 24 23:39:17 <lcuk> the wiki I pointed to was where the original contents of that page were filled from I believe
Nov 24 23:39:28 <lcuk> <lcuk> check that that page is correct and if not it should be changed and then we can get the clean page updated after that?
Nov 24 23:39:55 <lcuk> ie fix the wiki which anyone can do and potentially have to file a bug *shock* to change the main one :S
Nov 24 23:40:12 <lcuk> hmm processes processes
Nov 24 23:40:16 <mikhas> nice
Nov 24 23:40:37 <lcuk> reading that page
Nov 24 23:40:40 <mikhas> do you also need to file a tracking bug for the orignal update wiki page bug?
Nov 24 23:40:44 <lcuk> its wrong for the 2gb thing as well
Nov 24 23:40:54 <lcuk> wiki is updatable by all
Nov 24 23:41:10 <lcuk> it would be nice if the clean pages were taken/buffered from a specific version of the wiki
Nov 24 23:41:14 <lcuk> to allow continuation
Nov 24 23:41:25 <lcuk> until a new integrated version was selected
Nov 24 23:42:13 <lcuk> if nobody knows the process to get a "real" page updated then I suppose we file bugs?
Nov 24 23:43:03 <lcuk> i think i need to sleep though
Nov 24 23:43:17 <mortenmj> sniff sniff
Nov 24 23:43:23 <mortenmj> i love the smell of unfinished software in the morning
Nov 24 23:43:42 <mortenmj> this is so unpolished it's making me nostalgic
Nov 24 23:43:45 <lcuk> unfinished software is fun, its lack of processes to actually allow it to be completed that worries me :P
Nov 24 23:43:56 <ljp> I guess you love the smell of sourceforge, then :)
Nov 24 23:44:49 <mortenmj> do i have to run this flasher every time i want to boot meego, unless i put it on the phone itself?
Nov 24 23:46:57 <mortenmj> lcuk: what do you mean by lack of processes?
Nov 24 23:47:43 <lcuk> Page update process.
Nov 24 23:47:55 <mortenmj> ah, i was talking about meego. i just booted it on my n900
Nov 24 23:47:58 <mortenmj> and it does...nothing
Nov 24 23:48:14 <mortenmj> zip nada zilch
Nov 24 23:49:15 <mortenmj> and dispite that it's kinda slow
Nov 24 23:49:45 <mortenmj> but no worries. we'll get there
Nov 24 23:52:37 <ali1234> does anyone know what accelerometer chips actually look like?
Nov 24 23:53:02 <mortenmj> sure. like any other IC
Nov 24 23:53:10 <ali1234> approx number of legs?
Nov 24 23:53:22 <mortenmj> how many accelerometers would you like in your IC?
Nov 24 23:54:17 <mortenmj> 3 is often a good choice, giving you sensor data about all three axis
Nov 24 23:54:50 <ali1234> usually they are i2c
Nov 24 23:55:09 <mortenmj> i think you misunderstand. IC = integrated circuit
Nov 24 23:55:39 <mortenmj> I2C, inter-integrated circuit, is a protocol for communicating between ICs
Nov 24 23:56:52 <mortenmj> depending on what you're gonna do, i'd just as well go for an IMU. gives you three accelerometers, a gyro and possibly a compass in one package. costs more than buying separate ICs, but saves you about a manyear of work
Nov 24 23:57:10 <mortenmj> at least if the trials and tribulations at my university's electronics workshop are any indicator
Nov 24 23:57:18 <ali1234> i'm trying to identify the accelerometer chip on the ideapad motherboard
Nov 24 23:57:28 <ali1234> but i don't know what it looks like
Nov 24 23:57:37 <ali1234> so i have to google every chip to see what it does :(
Nov 24 23:57:41 <mortenmj> there's usually some identifying info printed on each IC
Nov 24 23:57:48 <mortenmj> though keep in mind it could be integrated with another IC
Nov 24 23:59:36 <mortenmj> for example, the N900 uses a snapdragon system-on-chip which includes an ARM v7, cellular modem core, GPS core, GPU core and more in one chip
Nov 24 23:59:57 <mortenmj> might have the IMU in the same package as well for all i know
Nov 25 00:00:13 <Saviq> ali1234: have you tried to look for any teardowns of the ideapad?
Nov 25 00:00:19 <ali1234> yes, i didn't find any
Nov 25 00:00:37 <ali1234> putting this thing back together is going to be... fun
Nov 25 00:01:24 <mortenmj> care to take some pictures while you're at it?
Nov 25 00:10:54 <CosmoHill> cyas
Nov 25 00:14:40 <ali1234> i think it's in the screen part :(
Nov 25 00:51:02 <sivang> anybody knows of a good web scoring/ survey system ?
Nov 25 00:51:16 <sivang> I want to use it as a backend to a qt app
Nov 25 01:00:27 <julienf> sivang: thinking of something like that: http://www.surveygizmo.com/survey-support/tutorials/online-survey-api-integration-cms-intranet/ ?
Nov 25 01:14:45 <drizztbsd> hi
Nov 25 01:14:53 <drizztbsd> when will meego tv be ready?
Nov 25 01:31:52 <julienf> drizztbsd: it's on the way, Amino has been working on it and contributing.
Nov 25 01:32:53 <drizztbsd> I know, for cubovision
Nov 25 01:46:20 <pupnik> http://rapidshare.com/files/432959203/pupnik-enjoy.mp3
Nov 25 02:52:59 <Jay_BEE> howdy
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