**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 25 02:59:58 2010 Nov 25 03:09:34 people, anything that will keep n810 more alive than diablo, which is dead? Nov 25 03:13:04 there was some activity in the handset forum regarding meego on the n810 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=317 Nov 25 03:28:22 http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ideapad/20101125_020.jpg Nov 25 03:31:22 what is that Nov 25 03:31:55 an ideapad Nov 25 03:32:45 i'm pretty sure the chip labelled 34AL 2027 J9DHX is the accelerometer Nov 25 03:33:01 sigh Nov 25 03:33:11 why you do this ali1234 Nov 25 03:33:31 relax i already rebuilt it Nov 25 03:33:38 heh Nov 25 03:34:09 anyway that chip has the same outline as the thinkpad accelerometer, which has a driver Nov 25 03:34:33 but it is an analogue part, sampled through the system sensors (like a themometer on a normal PC) Nov 25 03:34:42 it's right next to the chip that does that stuff too Nov 25 03:35:09 but apparently the thinkpad driver is known not to work with the ideapad series Nov 25 03:36:44 rest of pictures are here anyway: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ideapad/ Nov 25 03:36:58 * bef0rd clicks Nov 25 03:37:11 well it is nice to see Nov 25 03:37:23 i just would feel shy about messing with someone elses stuff Nov 25 03:40:21 there is not much interesting to see inside it, everything you need is accessable from the bottom plate Nov 25 03:40:26 except maybe the bluetooth Nov 25 03:40:36 which i forgot to put back in the first time i reassembled it Nov 25 03:42:05 the only tricky part is realising you have to remove the screen first, then the top bezel (black part), then the keyboard Nov 25 03:48:18 hm Nov 25 03:48:37 ali1234: the pandora guys have me pulling my hair out Nov 25 03:48:44 snes9x at full speed Nov 25 03:49:19 well you already know what i think about that... no xorg... no pulseaudio... Nov 25 03:49:26 yeah Nov 25 03:49:30 i booted up meego on my n900 today, and i couldn't do much with it. how can i test my application? Nov 25 03:49:48 i mean, i can run it in an emulated image, but it doesn't feel like a sufficiently thorough test Nov 25 03:49:54 well they do have xorg Nov 25 03:50:18 mortenmj: copy it to the n900 and test it? Nov 25 03:50:38 pupnik: i could barely get any of the preinstalled apps to run... Nov 25 03:50:52 heh, yeah meego handset is still a bit like that Nov 25 03:51:06 if you write your app using only Qt you can test it on maemo Nov 25 03:51:12 they use the same libs, or similar enough Nov 25 03:51:23 Qt creator has a n900/madde target Nov 25 03:52:02 it's hard to be part of a meego community before there is a meego consumer product Nov 25 03:52:36 i love these presentatons and ideas about 'connecting people' Nov 25 03:52:40 but that's easily said Nov 25 03:52:41 there are meego products Nov 25 03:52:47 heh. unfortunately, if i wait to finish this app until there is a meego consumer product, i'll be way too late to the market Nov 25 03:52:56 right Nov 25 03:53:08 just no phones Nov 25 03:54:52 is there a good way to "inject" packages into a raw image, so i can just flash my phone with extra packages preinstalled? Nov 25 03:55:19 you can do that with mic, don't ask me how though Nov 25 03:55:20 or would i have to build my own image completely from source, with a modified package list? Nov 25 03:55:25 you have to edit the .ks file or something Nov 25 03:55:31 ok. not too hard then Nov 25 03:55:37 not from source, but from bin packages yeah Nov 25 03:55:46 the .ks is just the package list and some other stuff Nov 25 03:55:47 right Nov 25 03:55:53 i've built images with mic Nov 25 03:56:08 takes forever, but it should be simpleish Nov 25 03:56:16 famous last words Nov 25 03:56:38 however if you use madde and maemo it uploads and installs the packages for you Nov 25 03:56:46 deb packages of course Nov 25 03:56:55 maemo uses deb packages? Nov 25 03:56:56 there should be something similar for meego any time now Nov 25 03:57:06 yes, maemo is deb, meego is rpm Nov 25 03:57:12 i can run stuff on meego with qt creator Nov 25 03:57:13 there was a MASSIVE flamewar about it Nov 25 03:57:21 but this is already packaged, so it's not what i need Nov 25 03:57:33 perhaps you need OBS then Nov 25 03:57:40 my packages are built with OBS Nov 25 03:57:56 in that case you just need to add your OBS repo to the repos on your device Nov 25 03:58:04 yes. and somehow get it online Nov 25 03:58:16 the device you mean? Nov 25 03:58:17 it shit itself when it found out my wifi is encrypted Nov 25 03:58:49 yeah this could be a problem Nov 25 03:59:14 i'll just fix it later using some open network Nov 25 03:59:32 though it would be nice to have an image i could keep around, with my packages in it Nov 25 03:59:52 meego on n900 had a bug where it always remembered the first wifi ap you put in, could never connect to others Nov 25 03:59:55 watch out for that one :/ Nov 25 04:00:04 weird Nov 25 05:08:22 re Nov 25 05:17:58 hi Nov 25 05:33:39 'bry Nov 25 05:49:10 dm8tbr: bry Nov 25 05:49:20 :) Nov 25 05:49:55 dm8tbr: jesteś system czy app developerem Nov 25 05:52:25 Mat_Matan: ja z programowaniem mało mam doczynienia. aktualnie pandą się bawię Nov 25 05:55:43 english please? Nov 25 05:59:32 huomenta iekku :) Nov 25 06:02:34 iekku: Ну, это английский язык? :P Nov 25 06:05:36 dm8tbr: panda? Nov 25 06:05:59 Mat_Matan: pandaboard Nov 25 06:06:11 dm8tbr: ok Nov 25 06:06:17 also Archos5IT Nov 25 06:07:06 dm8tbr: Archos? there would not be an android? Nov 25 06:07:20 :x Nov 25 06:08:34 dm8tbr: ok, i can see, it can run other os Nov 25 06:08:47 Mat_Matan: that's what they put on in factory, but Archos is quite open source friendly for a while. you can install your own zImage/initramfs and have your own rootfs Nov 25 06:09:29 I'm currently waiting for an Archos 101 IT Nov 25 06:09:42 multitouch screen *rrrrrrr* Nov 25 06:12:42 dm8tbr: I am writing an application on Meego, small messenger for Jabber/XMPP and GG protocols with the function of the received mail information (If you use gtalk) Nov 25 06:42:55 Hi there, I am trying out the player(video) example for meego on QtMobility using QVideoWidget. The whole player displays great on meego, but when i try to play a local mp4 file..it gives a gstreamer error : "No URI Set".. anythign that i am missing here? Nov 25 06:50:28 yctv: you could try asking in #qt-mobility Nov 25 06:51:01 chriadam: thanks , ill do that then Nov 25 07:24:26 Are there any extended-life batteries for N900? I haven't found one yet. Nov 25 07:25:42 Alison_Chaiken: there are 3rd party batteries Nov 25 07:26:48 Aard, I found 3rd party batteries with same capacity but not bigger ones. For my HTC G1, I have an amazin' 3 mA-hr battery. Nov 25 07:28:00 Alison_Chaiken: http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Nov 25 07:28:08 3mA? that would be gone in <1min I'd guess :) Nov 25 07:29:34 dm8tbr, you're right, I meant 3 A-hr. Thanks Aard for the link! If I buy that battery, I'm sure I'll immediately lose the phone of course. Nov 25 07:30:02 hi guys. Could anyone direct me to a tutorial or an example .yaml file for MeeGo 1.1 netbook packaging purposes? Nov 25 07:30:18 lassemon: wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial Nov 25 07:31:13 Stskeeps: thx, I was just about to write that that one already found :) I'm looking for netbook specific instructions for the yaml file, since I don't yet understand the process properly Nov 25 07:32:48 you should need to have netbook specific stuff :) build towards meego core Nov 25 07:34:25 http://snap.sonydeveloper.com/pages/about/ <- i wonder if sony is high Nov 25 07:34:58 mmyeah, that's my ultimate goal ofcourse, but right now I'm doind something wrong because after creating and installing with zypper an rpm package to MeeGo, the statement is plainly 'Illegal instruction' Nov 25 07:35:07 lassemon: on a SSSE3 machine? Nov 25 07:36:12 Stskeeps: hmm, good question, how would I find out for sure? It's a Dell laptop Nov 25 07:36:38 cat /proc/cpuinfo Nov 25 07:37:04 'flags' line, in particular Nov 25 07:37:45 there are flags: ss, sse and sse2 Nov 25 07:38:38 not good enough then and probably why you have issues :/ Nov 25 07:38:59 mmh, I see Nov 25 07:39:12 how come MeeGo install on the device then? Nov 25 07:39:16 *installs Nov 25 07:39:30 because ssse3 isn't used everywhere Nov 25 07:40:27 how would you create a package for a MeeGo not running on ssse3? Nov 25 07:45:33 * timeless_mbp sighs Nov 25 07:45:46 are there any "how to read a shell script" howtos floating around? Nov 25 07:45:54 * timeless_mbp is trying to figure out how to respond to http://code.google.com/p/maczfs/issues/detail?id=56 Nov 25 07:48:19 Stskeeps: help? :) Nov 25 07:49:21 dunno Nov 25 07:50:05 that patch of yours is indeed complete no-op Nov 25 07:50:14 Bostik: why? Nov 25 07:50:17 i tried it Nov 25 07:50:19 it worked Nov 25 07:50:22 w/o it, it doesn't work Nov 25 07:50:38 but what part of the whole script actually creates the target directory? Nov 25 07:51:01 none, that isn't relevant Nov 25 07:51:08 assume the directory exists Nov 25 07:51:11 timeless_mbp: because your change does not change the behaviour of the code Nov 25 07:52:01 timeless-mbp:mozilla-central timeless$ true || echo 1; echo 2 Nov 25 07:52:02 2 Nov 25 07:52:02 timeless-mbp:mozilla-central timeless$ false || echo 1; echo 2 Nov 25 07:52:02 1 Nov 25 07:52:02 2 Nov 25 07:52:45 why do you think the code would want to echo 2 in the first case? Nov 25 07:52:56 (not the above, the code i'm patching) Nov 25 07:53:27 (remember that the real code uses 'exit 1' not 'echo 2', and has code *after* exit) Nov 25 07:54:09 because you can rewrite the first case as (true || echo 1); THEN ALWAYS echo 2 Nov 25 07:54:25 Bostik: read the code Nov 25 07:54:37 'echo 2' in the real code is 'exit 1' Nov 25 07:54:40 and there's code *after* it Nov 25 07:55:06 (true || echo 1); THEN ALWAYS exit 1; THEN NEVER REACH INTERESTING STUFF HERE Nov 25 07:55:35 Stskeeps: conclusion: shell scripting is too hard for people Nov 25 07:57:06 yes, exit breaks out of the script entirely - and the original code can be read as "test for directory build/${CONFIGURATION}; if found, go on; if not, complain and stop" Nov 25 07:58:11 if that evaluation for some reason behaves differently between shell implementations, I'd be worried Nov 25 07:59:51 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/865228 Nov 25 08:00:15 oooohhh, wait a minute... Nov 25 08:01:02 * timeless_mbp waits Nov 25 08:01:06 of course Nov 25 08:01:38 Bostik: since this is clearly complicated, do you have a gcode account Nov 25 08:01:40 "test || echo" is evaluated as a single condition, the part after semicolon is executed after eval Nov 25 08:01:49 because i don't feel like trying to explain it to this guy Nov 25 08:01:59 just as i couldn't figure out how to explain it to you Nov 25 08:02:00 shouldn't read this kind of stuff until properly awake Nov 25 08:02:43 "see if there is an expected directory OR complain"; exit 1 Nov 25 08:02:47 in short Nov 25 08:02:51 well yeah Nov 25 08:02:52 sorry :/ Nov 25 08:02:55 it's ok Nov 25 08:03:00 you're doing the same thing the author did Nov 25 08:03:00 you mean "compland and exit 1" Nov 25 08:03:03 and the same thing he did Nov 25 08:03:27 but i need someone who can somehow avoid the gut reaction "it's doing the right thing" Nov 25 08:03:53 thiago: the key is that it exits unconditionally Nov 25 08:04:17 this seems to be an order of operations thing which is too complicated for everyone Nov 25 08:04:19 all scripts must end Nov 25 08:04:25 thiago: sure Nov 25 08:04:27 but exit 1 indicates error, so it mustn't be unconditional Nov 25 08:04:34 but there's code *after* the unconditional exit Nov 25 08:04:57 yeah, the script evaluates the truthfulness between a test condition and an echo Nov 25 08:05:05 then, regardless of the evaluation result, exits Nov 25 08:05:47 regardless, it exits *with* *error* Nov 25 08:05:47 if dir exists: test fails, script complains, script exist Nov 25 08:06:17 thiago: right, but how do i explain it to someone else Nov 25 08:06:21 i know what it does Nov 25 08:06:50 Bostik: the code after that exit, is it just junk? Nov 25 08:06:51 timeless's fix is indeed the correct one, one-liner doesn't scope the final exit on the same level as the echoing of the message Nov 25 08:07:07 thiago_home: no, it's the actual binary install stage as far as I understand Nov 25 08:07:13 right Nov 25 08:07:20 ah, shar-style package Nov 25 08:07:24 (kinda important...) Nov 25 08:08:01 Bostik: i'm tempted to quote this from BASH(1) Nov 25 08:08:03 * thiago_home points out that GNU tar is packaged with shar and gzip is delivered uncompressed Nov 25 08:08:07 Lists Nov 25 08:08:27 Of these list operators, && and || have equal precedence, followed by ; and &, which Nov 25 08:08:28 have equal precedence. Nov 25 08:08:37 but i'm unclear as to whether that's likely to work Nov 25 08:08:44 given that the commenter didn't get it from the patch Nov 25 08:09:00 actually, forget unclear, try "highly doubtful" Nov 25 08:09:16 i think { } is what he's looking for Nov 25 08:09:28 test -d dirname || { echo You fail; exit 1; } Nov 25 08:09:45 thiago: that'd presumably work Nov 25 08:09:53 my patch uses if then fi form Nov 25 08:11:41 ah yes, {} was the scoping without subshell Nov 25 08:11:53 it's a subshell Nov 25 08:12:06 { list; } Nov 25 08:12:06 list is simply executed in the current shell environment. Nov 25 08:12:14 ok, current :-) Nov 25 08:12:22 ... Nov 25 08:12:31 (command1; comm2; ...) is a subshell, I believe :) Nov 25 08:12:53 ok, all you guys have proven is that average people have *no* idea how scripting works ;-) Nov 25 08:13:01 correct Nov 25 08:13:14 * thiago_home usually avoids setting variables in any kind of sub-structure Nov 25 08:13:32 thiago: this code doesn't even do that :) Nov 25 08:13:43 I know, but I've been bitten by that Nov 25 08:14:03 something | while condition; do export VAR=value; done; echo $VAR Nov 25 08:14:16 it doesn't always show "value" even if the loop was executed Nov 25 08:14:44 fun Nov 25 08:15:17 Bostik: so, what's the most reasonable approach to answer the guy's question? Nov 25 08:15:30 i could point him to this irc log, but that seems like a bad idea Nov 25 08:16:10 i could quote the sections of the man page i've quoted here, but, i don't expect that'll work well Nov 25 08:16:18 timeless_mbp: "if you want to do this as a one-liner, use 'test || { echo ; exit }'; my version simply keeps the conditional execution block more readable" Nov 25 08:16:54 "as the code now stands, it runs 'exit 1' regardless of the return values of the first two commands" Nov 25 08:16:57 yeah, i could write that, but what part of it will get him to realize that the current code isn't correct? Nov 25 08:17:07 (Sorry written in reply to the first line) Nov 25 08:22:27 he probably understands C, so you could write his original version in "pseudo-C" (with indentation to help readability) which shows how the original code behaves :) Nov 25 08:23:24 dneary: ping Nov 25 08:23:51 lbt, Pong? Nov 25 08:25:24 dneary: ->msg Nov 25 08:25:42 morning Nov 25 08:25:55 morning Nov 25 08:31:02 Bostik: tempting Nov 25 08:32:55 mornings Nov 25 08:58:14 morning \o Nov 25 09:11:40 Morning all Nov 25 09:13:42 morning khertan_ Nov 25 09:18:06 Morning, all Nov 25 09:18:20 Hello all Nov 25 09:18:23 w00t: Ah, I didn't check DBus; if so - that'd be perfect. Nov 25 09:24:42 hey Jaffa \o Nov 25 09:29:17 * thiago is now playing with two ideapads Nov 25 09:29:52 distributed multitouch time? Nov 25 09:31:05 or rather, gesture recognition across multiple displays, not all the same computer Nov 25 09:31:08 :P Nov 25 09:31:09 Bostik: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/865317 Nov 25 09:31:33 two player pong? Nov 25 09:31:45 Stskeeps: Oh, lcuk would like that ;) Nov 25 09:33:03 timeless_mbp: sure, I'll edit a bit if I find spots to do it nicely Nov 25 09:33:15 thanks Nov 25 09:33:16 haha X-Fade Nov 25 09:33:25 I have multitouch in mind already :) Nov 25 09:33:36 Bostik: the problem w/ such bug reports/comments is that i feel like i'm taking a sledge hammer and applying it Nov 25 09:33:44 hell, I even know why boobie test fails on things now I have played and seen it working on the ideapad ;) Nov 25 09:35:18 ?? Nov 25 09:36:07 McAfee Security Scan Plus : 1 suspect web site : Meego.com Nov 25 09:36:14 ;) Nov 25 09:36:24 khertan_: i thought intel bought mcafee Nov 25 09:36:36 timeless_mbp, there seems to be an "issue" with the multitouch on the large (20inch) computers and drawing boobies on them highlights it :P Nov 25 09:36:50 the ideapad does not exhibit the issue Nov 25 09:36:54 the other question is how this crapware was installed on my wmware Nov 25 09:37:04 (test in win7 Paint, just draw a pair of boobies round and round) Nov 25 09:37:04 never installed manually myself Nov 25 09:37:18 khertan_: it comes w/ w7starter on the ideapads... Nov 25 09:37:50 lcuk: give me a 20" computer to play w/ Nov 25 09:38:06 timeless_mbp, it s on windows xp running with wmware on my pc Nov 25 09:38:35 s/wmware/vmware/ ? Nov 25 09:38:35 Stskeeps: actually, something mundane as "let's see if the battery problem is the battery or the netbook" Nov 25 09:38:39 Stskeeps: it's the netbook Nov 25 09:38:53 timeless_mbp: did a minor edit, otherwise good Nov 25 09:38:59 timeless_mbp, exactly :) Nov 25 09:39:02 Bostik: i need a new url Nov 25 09:39:17 it's a pastebin, not a piratepad :) Nov 25 09:39:34 Bostik: Jaffa suggests that {} is probably not portable shell to shell Nov 25 09:39:45 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/865319 Nov 25 09:39:59 timeless_mbp: very good point Nov 25 09:40:02 lol timeless_mbp go to verkkokauppa :P Nov 25 09:40:10 lbt , are there problems with public OBS? - [Errno 110] Connection timed out: 'https://api.pub.meego.com/source/home:arfoll:enna' Nov 25 09:40:12 i did :P Nov 25 09:40:12 lcuk: and draw boobies in public? Nov 25 09:40:16 yeah Nov 25 09:40:19 ... Nov 25 09:40:23 i left a whole rack of screens with em Nov 25 09:40:37 no pun intended? Nov 25 09:40:38 :P Nov 25 09:40:46 ... Nov 25 09:40:55 are you sure? Nov 25 09:41:03 limit should be 2 Nov 25 09:41:17 timeless_mbp, its related to the sampling resolution of the screen itself Nov 25 09:41:25 seems to be that the larger ones sample slower Nov 25 09:41:41 interesting Nov 25 09:41:47 do you get blocky boobies? Nov 25 09:41:53 though, I have heard that the same test on other smaller MT devices might also fail Nov 25 09:42:00 you get weird boobies Nov 25 09:42:09 that could be useful Nov 25 09:42:09 sp Nov 25 09:42:10 timeless_mbp, Jaffa: at least dash seems to croak on {} construct, so that was a good catch Nov 25 09:42:15 http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 Nov 25 09:42:20 Bostik: csh doesn't approve either Nov 25 09:42:49 lbt, all is working now don't know if you changed anything or if the gods of computing fixed it but cheers :-) Nov 25 09:42:57 arfoll: I think the public obs service is discontinued from 27-oct-2010 Nov 25 09:42:58 lcuk: ouch Nov 25 09:43:13 timeless_mbp, especially bad when playing 2 player games Nov 25 09:43:16 like air hockey Nov 25 09:43:19 * timeless_mbp nods Nov 25 09:43:24 stylesen, i'm sure *.pub.meego.com is not discontinued Nov 25 09:43:33 the ideapad does not exhibit this behaviour though :) Nov 25 09:43:40 http://www.meegoexperts.com/2010/11/digia-ui-running-lenovo-notebook-nokia-n900/ <- i see someone liked the Mer artwork concept Nov 25 09:43:42 arfoll: can we register in that? I badly need one! Nov 25 09:43:43 :P Nov 25 09:43:49 * arfoll is wondering what all this boobie testing is Nov 25 09:44:00 arfoll, i just posted a video demonstrating it Nov 25 09:44:06 stylesen, ask lbt/X-fade you need your meego account activated Nov 25 09:44:11 lcuk, is it work safe? Nov 25 09:44:15 yes :) Nov 25 09:44:29 its using paint and just involves drawing circles Nov 25 09:44:42 there is an alternative parallel lines one, but its less exciting Nov 25 09:44:43 lbt_away: X-Fade I would like to have an account in meego OBS Nov 25 09:45:02 lbt_away: X-Fade let me know what should I do in order to get one Nov 25 09:45:05 stylesen: community obs? Nov 25 09:45:14 timeless_mbp, http://liqbase.net/liq.20101123_111740.liqsketchedit.scr.png Nov 25 09:45:31 X-Fade: yes! Nov 25 09:45:41 stylesen: What is your meego.com username? Nov 25 09:46:03 I am trying to integrate osc client with madde, hence would like to get an account Nov 25 09:46:10 X-Fade: stylesen Nov 25 09:46:12 Stskeeps: heh Nov 25 09:46:25 hey Nov 25 09:46:29 stylesen: Ok, you should be able to login now. Nov 25 09:46:33 the n900 looks a bit too tasked Nov 25 09:46:42 lcuk, i understand the name.... do many devices manage to pass the test? Nov 25 09:46:49 timeless_mbp: if it's meego n900 the drivers are crap, so no surprises.. Nov 25 09:46:57 X-Fade: great! what is the url for build, api and repos in this obs instance, or point me to a wiki page Nov 25 09:47:01 i couldn't tell if it was maemo or meego Nov 25 09:47:06 i think it was maemo Nov 25 09:47:16 arfoll, I have not yet seen a large format device that does pass. Nov 25 09:47:23 stylesen: build.pub.meego.com and api,repo. Nov 25 09:47:36 can one make phone calls with MeeGo on the N900 yet? Nov 25 09:47:39 X-Fade: thanks a lot! Nov 25 09:47:42 Stskeeps: i actually took the airbus back w/ the guy who did that video (ash) Nov 25 09:47:42 lcuk, i'm guessing the ipad is the largest device that passes? Nov 25 09:47:44 nice guy Nov 25 09:47:53 arfoll, which is a problem since, well playing two player games on nice new computer Nov 25 09:48:00 arfoll, I do not know Nov 25 09:48:07 someone else can check that Nov 25 09:48:23 i'm not searching for "boobie" on my work computer... Nov 25 09:48:23 * lcuk has nice meego ideapad to play with :) Nov 25 09:48:37 arfoll: try "circles" Nov 25 09:49:12 Venemo_N900: yes, if you're OK with it coming out the speakers. Nov 25 09:49:20 Venemo_N900: 1.1 does that out of box Nov 25 09:49:47 Stskeeps: umm... the speaker_s_? Nov 25 09:49:54 Stskeeps, the digia ux looks pretty Nov 25 09:50:10 reminds me of the bubbles I have mentioned in the past Nov 25 09:50:12 Venemo_N900: left and right Nov 25 09:50:13 :P Nov 25 09:50:23 i wonder what would be required to make it run *happily* on n900 Nov 25 09:50:59 Stskeeps: so it is on the loudspeaker all the time...? Nov 25 09:51:23 yes Nov 25 09:51:30 we first have policy framework in 1.2, so Nov 25 09:52:24 so is there a prerelease of 1.2 in which it works ok? Nov 25 09:52:51 not yet, i mean, we're in invasive changes phase atm :P Nov 25 09:52:57 it's amazing the thing can even boot up ;) Nov 25 09:54:03 one more thing I wanted to ask Nov 25 09:54:43 Bostik: ah, i just noticed 'subtle' at the top Nov 25 09:54:49 good word choice Nov 25 09:55:02 there was a patch to the kernel a few dads ago that improved desktop performance a lot Nov 25 09:55:10 few days* ago Nov 25 09:55:42 has it made it into the MeeGo kernel? Nov 25 09:55:57 Venemo_N900: did it make it into upstream yet is the next question Nov 25 09:56:48 well the news didn't talk about that Nov 25 10:02:01 timeless_mbp: thank you Nov 25 10:02:38 Stskeeps: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=2 Nov 25 10:02:59 Venemo_N900: we did try it on n900 though Nov 25 10:03:40 really? Nov 25 10:03:55 how did it go? Nov 25 10:04:33 Venemo_N900: at least there was subjective improvement Nov 25 10:05:02 sounds good Nov 25 10:05:25 we need to run a test with high-speed cameras to verify Nov 25 10:05:27 (yes, we do that..) Nov 25 10:05:41 heh Nov 25 10:08:20 Bostik: thanks for helping Nov 25 10:08:37 you're welcome Nov 25 10:10:23 Stskeeps: since you are not on #maemo... is there a way to get this into Maemo? Nov 25 10:10:28 Venemo_N900: dunno Nov 25 10:26:22 nybody knows how to reset networking in meego Nov 25 10:26:30 hello Nov 25 10:26:33 nyone der? Nov 25 10:28:12 what do you mean by reset networking ? ifconfig iface up|down ? Nov 25 10:29:05 ifconfig Nov 25 10:29:21 no .. i want to reset networking ..it dropps automatically on n900 Nov 25 10:29:42 i mean ..reset network manager Nov 25 10:30:23 I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power Nov 25 10:46:06 sappu: /etc/init.d/networking restart Nov 25 10:46:15 restarts all networking services Nov 25 10:46:21 should work in meego too Nov 25 10:46:39 (remember sudo in front of you are not root Nov 25 10:52:56 there's no network manager in meego Nov 25 10:52:58 it's connman Nov 25 10:53:23 thiago: I've a few notes for you after following the tutorial yesterday Nov 25 10:53:29 good Nov 25 10:53:29 I'll pass them on later Nov 25 10:57:46 mmmmm' Nov 25 11:09:42 anyone see packagekitd crashing on the ideapad? Nov 25 11:09:46 I can't run the software updater Nov 25 11:09:48 it makes me sad Nov 25 11:10:00 because chromiums renderer keeps crashing Nov 25 11:10:05 sigbus? Nov 25 11:10:37 segfault Nov 25 11:10:52 not the same as mine then Nov 25 11:10:59 oh wait, one segfault, and one sig 6 - is that bus? Nov 25 11:11:12 6 is ABRT Nov 25 11:13:19 Robot101, does it crash on startup? because I notice that even after closing and rebooting it wants to restore your tabs Nov 25 11:25:33 hi Nov 25 11:25:53 i installed meego in h p mini but... Nov 25 11:26:00 there is not support for my wifi card Nov 25 11:29:41 is posible to try meego tablet now? Nov 25 11:29:48