**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 26 02:59:58 2010 Nov 26 03:39:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkt8-bOwcxQ&feature=youtube_gdata Renoise 2.6 tracker / music composer running on MeeGo - check it out lcuk! very nice nicenice. Nov 26 05:15:48 hi (bry) Nov 26 05:45:34 mega transfer DL 3,0 KB/s UL 1,5 KB/s -.- (GPRS) Nov 26 05:49:58 hi guys Nov 26 05:50:15 helloooooooo Nov 26 05:51:09 nobody is here?? Nov 26 05:52:41 h Nov 26 05:53:07 junji_: there are lots of people here. Nov 26 05:53:17 but nobody is saying Nov 26 05:53:57 lots of people are in different timezones. or they might be getting a coffee, or not looking at irc. but if you have a question, and you're patient, eventually someone will answer :-) Nov 26 05:54:23 right Nov 26 05:54:24 thanks Nov 26 05:55:27 I'm looking for somebody who installed OBS for meego~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nov 26 06:14:44 junji_: there is a nice howto. it works. make sure to follow it closely. Nov 26 06:15:15 awesome Nov 26 06:15:19 wehre can i find that? Nov 26 06:15:23 wiki Nov 26 06:15:27 wiki.. Nov 26 06:15:36 do you mean http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS Nov 26 06:15:37 ? Nov 26 06:15:47 that's most likely it, yes Nov 26 06:16:11 this is what I'm trying Nov 26 06:16:12 actually now working on it Nov 26 06:16:19 hmm.. Nov 26 06:16:26 have you tried this? Nov 26 06:17:21 yes, I was probably the first person to follow this after carsten wrote it. it works. just make sure you closely follow the hostname thing. Nov 26 06:17:43 did you use vmware? Nov 26 06:17:47 or virtual box? Nov 26 06:18:27 I'm not sure how to set up the harddisk thing.. it's saying I need to have 'sdb' Nov 26 06:19:23 well that' ususally the second harddisk on an current linux system isn't it? Nov 26 06:19:29 I'm using vmware.. does it mean that I really need two of harddisks?? Nov 26 06:19:49 vmware means virtual, doesn't it? Nov 26 06:19:55 that's correct Nov 26 06:20:03 but this vmware image is already set up Nov 26 06:20:06 to have only one.. Nov 26 06:20:07 sda Nov 26 06:20:08 you need the OBS image and an new empty disk-image Nov 26 06:20:16 yes i already have them Nov 26 06:20:27 just follow the guide closely then Nov 26 06:20:29 and I'm running it in vmware Nov 26 06:20:39 but, no idea how to get sdb Nov 26 06:21:06 cause in my opinion there will be some way to make vmware to have two 'virtual' harddisks.. Nov 26 06:21:25 from one of real harddisk.. Nov 26 06:21:59 I'm sorry, but you really should have an basic understanding of what you are doing. Nov 26 06:22:22 Maybe you should read about the concepts of vmware first. Independently from OBS. Nov 26 06:22:50 so anyway you mean that there is a way to set two 'virtual harddisks' in vmware, is it right? Nov 26 06:24:08 yes, obviously Nov 26 06:25:15 ok.. thank you so much for the help Nov 26 06:27:23 sampos: at the grinder yet? Nov 26 06:27:32 morn Nov 26 06:27:43 morning Nov 26 06:30:32 helo Nov 26 06:33:48 hallo Nov 26 06:46:53 good (ugt) evening Nov 26 06:49:03 hvhey Nov 26 06:58:27 help Nov 26 06:59:02 csw_ocube: would you at a developer conference state 'help'? no, ask your question instead Nov 26 06:59:32 Moorning, Stskeeps Nov 26 06:59:38 morn RST38h Nov 26 06:59:52 what do you mean by 'a developer conference state'? Nov 26 07:00:31 junji_: imagine you're in a room and you have a question you'd like answered.. would you say 'help'? Nov 26 07:00:32 helpok Nov 26 07:00:33 ok Nov 26 07:00:46 good moarning from the office. time to play with the panda and apply newfound knowledge Nov 26 07:00:50 dm8tbr: good luck Nov 26 07:01:10 * Stskeeps is having a day of wiki page making Nov 26 07:01:26 in api.meego.com , username and password , is it equal with meego.com? Nov 26 07:01:54 csw_ocube: no, api.meego.com is for people with commit access to meego, api.pub.meego.com is for the community obs Nov 26 07:02:47 Stskeeps: thanks, I hope there won't be new obstacles now that we understand what was holding us back to create working images for beagle/panda Nov 26 07:03:08 following the manual 'http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS', the vmdk files comes as a setting file already fixed.. I have no idea how to modify it to have 'sda', 'sdb' hard disks.. Nov 26 07:03:22 ok. I have a authority to access a obs, then Can I access a api.meego.com? Nov 26 07:03:50 csw_ocube: no, only that specific obs - api.pub.meego.com is the one in question Nov 26 07:05:20 junji_: let me guess, you are using vmware-player? Nov 26 07:05:27 correct Nov 26 07:05:38 won't work then Nov 26 07:05:44 i'm being crazy :) Nov 26 07:05:47 oops.... Nov 26 07:05:55 then, what about virtual box? Nov 26 07:05:55 get an software that is able to modify an vm Nov 26 07:06:04 yes, vbox worked fine for me Nov 26 07:06:05 both are free.. Nov 26 07:06:11 crap Nov 26 07:06:18 thanks a lot!! Nov 26 07:06:24 I'm gonna try it right now Nov 26 07:07:17 if I changed password in meego.com , is password changed in build.pub.meego.com? Nov 26 07:07:26 after an hour or so Nov 26 07:07:46 api.meego.com too? Nov 26 07:08:29 api.meego.com you likely don't have access to, it's a seperate process to get access to Nov 26 07:12:08 then can I access api.pub.meego.com ? Nov 26 07:12:38 yes.. Nov 26 07:12:56 dm8tbr : how did you get an ovf file (virtual box's) from the .vmx of the manual? Nov 26 07:13:17 örrrörörörö Nov 26 07:13:27 ok thank you. Nov 26 07:13:28 örrrrrr Nov 26 07:13:36 örrrrrr? Nov 26 07:13:46 junji_: just use the vmdk directly Nov 26 07:13:52 and make a new disk for sdb Nov 26 07:13:58 what Stskeeps says, yeah Nov 26 07:14:36 I don't get it.. sorry.. I only have a vmware player.. which doens't look like supporting those functions.. Nov 26 07:15:32 yes, we already established that. please do not go back there! Nov 26 07:15:39 junji_: follow the instructions on the page and use it in virtualbox instead :) Nov 26 07:16:25 stskeeps: yes! that's what I'm trying now, but can I load the vmx file with virtual machine?? Nov 26 07:16:47 junji_: i didn't provide a vmx :) just use the vmdk provided Nov 26 07:17:10 oh, are you the person who wrote the manual? Nov 26 07:17:48 yes, so please listen to me ;) Nov 26 07:18:05 you are really cool Nov 26 07:19:49 got it. it was in file -> virtual media manager.. not the 'import appliance'.. Nov 26 07:22:37 dm8tbr, stskeeps : are you guys working on meego project? Nov 26 07:22:49 we all work on the meego project somehow ;) Nov 26 07:23:00 yes somehow.. lol Nov 26 07:23:07 work? Nov 26 07:23:10 :P Nov 26 07:23:19 so you are not from intel or nokia huh? Nov 26 07:23:45 junji_: the intel and nokia guys are just as friendly :) Nov 26 07:24:24 some of us get paid to work on meego, some do meego for fun/learning/marketing themselves Nov 26 07:24:41 awesome Nov 26 07:24:59 some of us work on projects around meego Nov 26 07:25:11 correct. somehow, around Nov 26 07:31:29 I'm trying to load the obs-server.i686-2.1.62.vmdk.. but getting an error message 'Failed to open the hard disk.. Could not get the storage format of the medium .. (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED).. anyone has seen it before? Nov 26 07:32:33 junji_: re-download the vmdk, the moment you touched it with vmware player it probably turned sour Nov 26 07:34:35 brilliant. my apt is broken... Nov 26 07:36:56 your apt? or api? Nov 26 07:37:13 my apt, on my work laptop Nov 26 07:37:15 :-| Nov 26 07:40:02 Stskeeps: is it possible to build the whole meego src.rpm in your VM obs with two workers? Nov 26 07:40:32 Fansy: yes - i did that in a week for ARMv6. it was a 1.8ghz xeon machine with ssse3 and 512mb ram Nov 26 07:40:40 you probably need more RAM for things like webkit Nov 26 07:42:31 is it ARM or X86 rebuild you plan to do? Nov 26 07:43:45 Stskeeps: ARM for me. Nov 26 07:44:48 ARMv7 or higher? Nov 26 07:45:07 Stskeeps: ARMv7. I plan to burn my imange to N900 Nov 26 07:45:22 Fansy: ah - why bother recompiling everything then? Nov 26 07:46:00 do you guys think meego will succeed? Nov 26 07:46:01 Stskeeps: just for test. Nov 26 07:46:29 I'm positive for netbook Nov 26 07:46:38 not on smartphone Nov 26 07:46:53 junji_: why bother working and tinkering with something you'd expect to fail? Nov 26 07:46:57 junji_: meego's different, let's just say that :) Nov 26 07:47:10 junji_: new paradigm in how things are done Nov 26 07:47:18 Fansy: ah Nov 26 07:47:25 Stskeeps: I've set up my VM in my company server. The performance is very bad. Nov 26 07:47:26 hhurtta : no offense, I like meego that why i'm here Nov 26 07:48:02 Fansy: well, i did it in a week on a crappy server, so it should be possible Nov 26 07:48:40 so do we, and thats why we work hard to give it a chance to fly nicely whereever it goes. be it netbook smartphone or your microwave oven Nov 26 07:49:50 still.. I just downloaded a new obs-server vmx file and extracted it.. but my v-box is making a same error.. Result Code: VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR (0x80BB0005) Component: Medium Interface: IMedium {1d578f43-5ef1-4415-b556-7592d3ccdc8f} Callee: IVirtualBox {3f36e024-7fed-4f20-a02c-9158a82b44e6} Nov 26 07:50:15 kill me Nov 26 07:50:16 but you asked whether it would succeed. answering to that properly would first require one to define the success :D Nov 26 07:50:32 junji_: not vmx, vmdk Nov 26 07:51:14 yes.. the obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 has vmx and vmdk files. Nov 26 07:51:25 and I loaded the vmdk file thorugh v-box.. Nov 26 07:51:37 hmm Nov 26 07:51:48 can I know the version that you've tried with?? Nov 26 07:51:57 sure, sec Nov 26 07:51:57 build 1.6? Nov 26 07:51:59 1.7? Nov 26 07:52:24 version 3.2.8 r64453 in about box Nov 26 07:52:30 Morning Nov 26 07:53:25 thanks a lot.. that's about v box.. and.. ok there is only one vmx for i686.. it should be obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 which I just tried Nov 26 07:56:56 Stskeeps: ah, Crappy server, mee to! One week, you are very patient. Nov 26 07:56:57 just to make sure I'll try it myself, again Nov 26 08:00:13 junji_: downloading obs-server.x86_64-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 currently. will take a bit, company proxy decided to cach and scan for virus inside... Nov 26 08:00:38 err, that's wrong, sigh Nov 26 08:00:51 ok.. so do I need to get the file again now? Nov 26 08:01:06 currently I'm downloading vbox 3.2.8 Nov 26 08:01:07 lol Nov 26 08:01:15 * dm8tbr restarts his download of http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/Unstable/images/obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 Nov 26 08:01:56 dm8tbr : please let me know when the virus checking is done Nov 26 08:01:59 junji_: if you have obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 already then there is no need to download it again Nov 26 08:02:13 junji_: how would that help you? Nov 26 08:02:14 ok..so no change on the file.. Nov 26 08:02:32 I don't know my v-box is just not loading the vmdk file in the .tar.bz2 Nov 26 08:02:52 Stskeeps told me he used 3.2.8 version so I'm downloading the version Nov 26 08:02:59 as I said, I'm going to try it as I might need it anyway Nov 26 08:02:59 my one was 3.2.10 the latest Nov 26 08:03:07 just stay at 3.2.10 Nov 26 08:03:13 ok.. Nov 26 08:03:22 I strongly doubt that would make a difference Nov 26 08:04:20 how long will the work take? Nov 26 08:07:48 dm8tbr : are you looking at the file? Nov 26 08:08:48 junji_: I know that might be hard for you, but I'll tell you once I got around to it. No need to ask me every 23 picoseconds. Nov 26 08:09:18 ok I'm bothering you sorry Nov 26 08:11:52 morning Nov 26 08:12:05 good morning Nov 26 08:12:42 morning Nov 26 08:15:42 4:00pm in my locale. Nov 26 08:41:01 ; Nov 26 08:50:08 Anybody knows how to turn on the Lock Screen in Handset UX ? Nov 26 08:50:17 In MeeGo 1.1 Nov 26 08:56:17 Morning, all Nov 26 08:56:25 morn Nov 26 08:56:35 exman: the screensaver triggers it iirc Nov 26 08:56:42 Morning folks Nov 26 08:57:00 iirc ? Nov 26 08:57:16 iirc == if i recall correctly Nov 26 08:57:57 thanks ! Do you know how to turn on the screensaver in ssh ? Nov 26 08:59:55 . Nov 26 09:02:12 DISPLAY=:0 xset s activate is not work Nov 26 09:02:16 TT Nov 26 09:08:04 hello Nov 26 09:08:04 hallo Nov 26 09:15:01 Fansy: pong .... what were you planning on doing ? Nov 26 09:17:17 hey lbt Nov 26 09:17:29 csw_ocube morning Nov 26 09:17:42 ^^ here is night! Nov 26 09:17:47 i have question. Nov 26 09:17:58 it's always morning when you say hello on irc :) Nov 26 09:18:09 can i access to api.meego.com? Nov 26 09:18:23 mmm Nov 26 09:18:34 I don't know what the plans are for that Nov 26 09:19:02 Hi all Nov 26 09:19:03 probably no anonymous access Nov 26 09:19:14 lbt, Did you get my message after you left with that other email address? Nov 26 09:19:20 morning dneary Nov 26 09:19:28 currently i would like to try to build a source for armv6 Nov 26 09:19:38 co.uk one - yes Nov 26 09:20:07 csw_ocube: yes - arrange that via Stskeeps please Nov 26 09:20:12 v good Nov 26 09:20:25 the community OBS is a bit small to do that just yet Nov 26 09:20:32 dneary: cheers Nov 26 09:20:39 Stskeeps Nov 26 09:20:45 np Nov 26 09:23:13 Wow! New Google feature Nov 26 09:23:16 Page previews Nov 26 09:23:22 V. impressed Nov 26 09:23:29 dneary: Ooold :) Nov 26 09:23:37 Never saw it before Nov 26 09:23:45 Annoying too. Nov 26 09:23:46 Guess I never moused-over the right place Nov 26 09:24:50 ooold as in "last week" :) Nov 26 09:25:25 I can never read the API docs on the previews so it doesn't help me much Nov 26 09:27:06 exman: not got my meego install to had atm Nov 26 09:27:15 on other distros you can do stuff like Nov 26 09:27:23 xdg-screensaver activate Nov 26 09:27:24 or Nov 26 09:27:30 xdg-screensaver lock Nov 26 09:27:32 etc. Nov 26 09:28:00 slaine, I found this http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7706 Nov 26 09:29:43 There is yet no hardware integration support for a lockscreen. The Nov 26 09:29:43 lockscreen application at this point is a hack that leverages SystemUI and Nov 26 09:29:43 shows up in the application launcher. For 1.1 it needs to be removed. Nov 26 09:29:51 TT Nov 26 09:30:00 slaine, thanks anyway!!! Nov 26 09:30:10 oh, well looks like Junji didn't have the patience Nov 26 09:30:40 Stskeeps: there indeed seems to be a problem with using the vmdk directly with virtualbox. Nov 26 09:30:51 dm8tbr: lovely Nov 26 09:31:00 indeed Nov 26 09:31:06 is there sombody who know where prjconf is Nov 26 09:31:17 ? Nov 26 09:31:41 are there any prebuild kernel + rootfs for N900 with gpu acceleration? I tried the official 1.1 release and it was very slow Nov 26 09:32:03 Stskeeps: the error is 'VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED'. I'll see if the qemu tool you mention will handle it. Nov 26 09:32:25 DesktopMa: grab 'demo' image on tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php Nov 26 09:32:44 cool will look into it Nov 26 09:32:51 DesktopMa: all of them has gpu acceleration just some drivers are worse than others Nov 26 09:32:58 I see Nov 26 09:35:45 X-Fade: hi Nov 26 09:36:22 X-Fade: Can I get access to meego community OBS Nov 26 09:37:24 sanglikr: Sure, what is your username at meego.com? Nov 26 09:37:41 muneer.sanglikar@nokia.com Nov 26 09:37:55 sanglikr: username, not email :) Nov 26 09:38:01 sanglikr Nov 26 09:38:36 sanglikr: When did you register this account? Nov 26 09:39:40 X-Fade: 10 weeks back Nov 26 09:40:35 sanglikr: I'm pretty sure that you don't have an account using that username. Nov 26 09:40:45 http://meego.com/users/sanglikr gives a 404 too. Nov 26 09:41:21 hi - any word on when the read-only access to the build obs is going to happen? Nov 26 09:41:52 csdb_home: Anas said 2 to 3 weeks at the conference. Nov 26 09:42:17 X-Fade, I heard 1 to 2 weeks :-) Nov 26 09:42:30 its on video Nov 26 09:42:30 :P Nov 26 09:42:34 csdb_home: Well, check his talk ;) Nov 26 09:42:42 just wondering if anyone has a better ETA Nov 26 09:43:08 csdb_home: Once it is open, there will probably be an announcement. Nov 26 09:44:18 at least OBS linking should work Nov 26 09:45:06 X-Fade: sorry its muneer Nov 26 09:45:36 Stskeeps, do you mean linking my obs to the Meego obs? Nov 26 09:45:36 sanglikr: Ok, should work now. Nov 26 09:46:54 morning Nov 26 09:48:10 X-Fade : I can login now, thanks Nov 26 09:52:53 X-Fade: I would like a cobs access too ! My username at meego.com is bzhbok Nov 26 09:53:05 hello Nov 26 09:54:37 bzhb: Ok, added you. Nov 26 09:55:08 thanks, it works Nov 26 09:55:15 hey Nov 26 09:55:19 X-Fade: should that problem with local build not being able to pull rpm be fixed? Nov 26 09:55:50 anyone here got the meegoconf ideapad? Nov 26 09:56:06 Ford_Prefect: Yes. It should. Nov 26 09:58:35 kyb3R: ping? Nov 26 10:00:03 X-Fade: I still see the same problem here Nov 26 10:00:31 mece: i've got one, you want me to test something? Nov 26 10:01:04 Ford_Prefect: Did you try it in a clean environment? Nov 26 10:01:10 X-Fade, i know i asked yesterday but i never got an answer... when is meego 1.0 core target going to be up? Nov 26 10:01:23 X-Fade: will do Nov 26 10:01:34 arfoll: When someone has time :( Nov 26 10:01:35 Myrtti: pong Nov 26 10:02:20 X-Fade, can I help? unfortunately a few people with wetabs use my xbmc builds and the meego 1.1 glibc is causing problems :-( Nov 26 10:03:25 arfoll: I think it is prjconf misconf. We probably need to get the correct one from core obs. Nov 26 10:04:51 ok, I wont go and do an import of meego 1.0 core myself then ;-) Nov 26 10:05:00 ali1234, I was wondering about qmlviewer Nov 26 10:05:08 ali1234, have you got that on there? Nov 26 10:05:10 Stskeeps: seems like running the image through qemu-img fixed the problem, still weird. Nov 26 10:05:26 odd Nov 26 10:05:30 arfoll: I might be able to take a look at it later today, although there is a large todo list already. Nov 26 10:05:42 Stskeeps: I guess you could ask the OBS people if they changed their vmdk format recently or something Nov 26 10:05:52 mece: i dunno, i haven't figured out how to install things Nov 26 10:05:57 X-Fade, i have no doubt you have alot on your plate - i'd appreciate if you could have a look! Nov 26 10:05:57 wow pupnik !!!! :D Nov 26 10:06:01 if it isn't installed by default i don't have it Nov 26 10:06:01 and nice spyro :) Nov 26 10:06:25 pupnik, that video for renoise 2.6 tracker looks awesome :) Nov 26 10:07:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkt8-bOwcxQ&feature=youtube_gdata Nov 26 10:07:41 pupnik, they arent running it on touch, i wonder how it does handle it o_O :D Nov 26 10:08:07 X-Fade: is there nothing that I can try to fix on my existing chroot? It'd be a pita to set it up again from scratch, Nov 26 10:08:22 Nobody else is having trouble with local builds? Nov 26 10:10:32 Ford_Prefect, not here Nov 26 10:11:47 lcuk: what sections do you have in your .oscrc? Nov 26 10:11:51 fcrozat: same for you Nov 26 10:11:58 Ford_Prefect: meant you... Nov 26 10:12:03 fcrozat: deping, pardon Nov 26 10:12:24 Only [general] Nov 26 10:12:36 Oh, and https://api.pub.meego.com Nov 26 10:13:01 Ford_Prefect: checked the output from -v build ? Nov 26 10:13:17 I dumped osc HTTP headers, they look fine. But there are no headers dumped when it gets to the bit about the crepo.meego.com and api.pub.meego.com fetches Nov 26 10:13:20 Yrd Nov 26 10:13:22 *Yes Nov 26 10:13:25 Nothing more that was useful Nov 26 10:13:39 hmm. Nov 26 10:13:50 lcuk: meego for the host os for you? Nov 26 10:14:24 yes, direct local build though, forget my observation its not obs related Nov 26 10:14:26 ali1234, qt-declarative-qmlviewer would be the package I suppose Nov 26 10:14:34 morning .o/ Nov 26 10:14:37 * ferringb generally is more inclined to blame obs Nov 26 10:14:40 it does special things Nov 26 10:14:57 Ford_Prefect: osc co still works? Nov 26 10:14:58 * timeless-webchat sighs Nov 26 10:15:03 building Qt is slow Nov 26 10:15:11 arm, or i586? Nov 26 10:15:12 ferringb: osc co, ci worked fine Nov 26 10:15:28 i586 Nov 26 10:15:32 Ford_Prefect: bleh. I'm going to have to replicate your setup, aren't I? Nov 26 10:15:42 timeless-webchat: <-- actually I was asking him what arch he was building for Nov 26 10:15:50 Hang on, I'm still tring to figure out what command actually dies Nov 26 10:15:58 ferringb: w32-vc10 Nov 26 10:16:20 err. ouch Nov 26 10:16:27 (it finally finished building webkit and is now dealing w/ lucerne) Nov 26 10:17:14 s/rne/ne/ Nov 26 10:17:14 timeless-webchat meant: (it finally finished building webkit and is now dealing w/ lucene) Nov 26 10:17:29 has anyone read todays XKCD? there's lots of things to find on it Nov 26 10:17:42 ferringb: to be fair, it's a vm and it's building release and debug Nov 26 10:17:53 * Ford_Prefect goes old-school - strace time Nov 26 10:18:08 Ford_Prefect: check into the curl/cpio options on a guess Nov 26 10:18:34 Ford_Prefect: if it keeps failing I'll split out another vm for testing, although that'll be >12 hours out (busy w/ qt/arm atm) Nov 26 10:18:35 ruh roh, this thing uses curl to pull the packages for the cache? Nov 26 10:18:42 can Nov 26 10:18:53 check the osc co --help ;) Nov 26 10:18:55 Trying openSUSE Build Service server for rpm (MeeGo:1.1:Core), since it is not on crepo.meego.com. Nov 26 10:19:10 Need to figure out why it says that Nov 26 10:19:18 For the next one, actually Nov 26 10:19:38 hmm. reasonably sure it can do curl that is... might want to verify, not finding the comments in help I recalled Nov 26 10:22:21 Ford_Prefect: i kinda wonder how expensive building Qt is on OBS :) Nov 26 10:22:56 timeless-webchat: maybe there are package generation stats somewhere? Nov 26 10:23:19 could be nice Nov 26 10:23:37 timeless-webchat: 25 minutes or so for x86 builds of qt Nov 26 10:23:56 ~9 hours for arm iirc, although it'll be sub 2 hours in the next week or two Nov 26 10:24:11 this Qt build was started >6hrs ago Nov 26 10:24:32 well, you mentioned you're running on windows under a vm Nov 26 10:24:35 that's a nice upgrade, what's giving that win? Nov 26 10:24:45 timeless-webchat: shit ton of optimizations I've been working on Nov 26 10:24:55 that and a corner case qemu vma emulation issue Nov 26 10:25:04 mostly the latter Nov 26 10:25:06 ferringb: cool :) Nov 26 10:25:24 * ferringb notes that's assuming qemu stops breaking in interesting new ways for 0.13 Nov 26 10:26:13 I'd prefer interested new ways to the dull old ones Nov 26 10:26:57 * ferringb would take the old ones atm Nov 26 10:27:32 I'm kinda corned myself on this powerbook Nov 26 10:30:38 ooh Nov 26 10:30:41 * timeless-webchat has some files Nov 26 10:30:47 maybe this did something? Nov 26 10:31:25 qt is weird. most things generate shared libraries in place and then have an installish target which dumps them where they belong Nov 26 10:31:59 qt instead builds its object files in one places but directly builds the shared libraries where they're going to go ([qtdir]/lib) Nov 26 10:34:21 *cough* glibc Nov 26 10:34:32 if memory serves at least Nov 26 10:34:48 I still don't understand why MeeGo uses glibc and eglibc Nov 26 10:35:24 instead of bsd libc? :) Nov 26 10:35:32 I mean why have both Nov 26 10:35:49 eglibc works just fine on x86 systems Nov 26 10:35:58 arm? Nov 26 10:36:12 if just x86, well, no dice Nov 26 10:36:13 CosmoHill: we only use glibc Nov 26 10:36:17 atm MeeGo has Glibc on x86 and eGlibc on ARM Nov 26 10:36:21 no Nov 26 10:36:23 same on both Nov 26 10:36:35 really? since when? Nov 26 10:36:45 since forever Nov 26 10:36:48 dammit Nov 26 10:36:50 day 1, I'm guessing (I've not seen eglibc yet) Nov 26 10:37:02 although I'd like to see some experiments that way some point Nov 26 10:37:09 okay then ignore me Nov 26 10:37:28 ferringb: I've used eglibc on ultraSPARC, x86 and 32bit powerpc Nov 26 10:38:01 CLFS moved from glibc to eglibc on all it's target architectures Nov 26 10:39:12 Okay, some progress. It's getting a 401 on when trying to get the rpm from api.pub.m.c Nov 26 10:39:51 heh Nov 26 10:40:12 Ford_Prefect: guessing you've been having these issues for a long while btw? multiple days? Nov 26 10:40:16 I get "Logged in as Cosmo" :) Nov 26 10:40:34 Ford_Prefect: additional thing I'd check, the protocol used- if it's connecting to 443 or 80 (your config is only authed for 443) Nov 26 10:40:37 ferringb: couple of days, yes. Nov 26 10:40:48 443 Nov 26 10:40:56 my laptop redirected me from 80 to 443 Nov 26 10:41:02 yeah, if you recall my whinging in a seperate channel, I just ran into something similar (403) against build.opensuse.org Nov 26 10:41:09 Stskeeps, ping Nov 26 10:41:10 I've only just gotten to actually debugging this, though Nov 26 10:41:13 lcuk: pong Nov 26 10:41:17 best I could figure, although I couldn't prove it, was .osc*cookie* was implicated Nov 26 10:41:28 possibly .config/osc also Nov 26 10:41:36 hey, those patches for tearing you used for the demo, where abouts on your obs are they? Nov 26 10:41:40 remember that build.pub.m.c and build.m.c are different OBSes Nov 26 10:41:47 lcuk: home:cvm:feature11_vsync Nov 26 10:41:52 Well, this should work, afaict. urlgrabber is given the appropriate handler. Nov 26 10:41:52 \o thanks Nov 26 10:42:42 silly question, on api.pub.m.c, where is the logout button? Nov 26 10:42:53 Stskeeps, are they able to be listed openly outside your obs, ie is the copyright status strange or are they signed off? Nov 26 10:43:49 lcuk: no licensing problems except the moral obligation of not pushing development code to a large audience :P Nov 26 10:44:24 especially since i'm going to be working on that repo next week to update it to stage it for 1.2 :P Nov 26 10:44:52 Stskeeps, but if we got someone to look at them with some specific domain knowledge to help tidy them up? Nov 26 10:45:10 lcuk: i think i need some context here.. Nov 26 10:45:11 :P Nov 26 10:45:30 context - we want tear free. Nov 26 10:45:55 where? Nov 26 10:45:55 :P Nov 26 10:45:56 and getting people involved from the x11 side (if thats where patches are from) Nov 26 10:46:05 well, everywhere would be good Nov 26 10:46:14 but lets start with meego handset :P Nov 26 10:46:27 just grab the demo image on tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php Nov 26 10:46:37 will this patch fix my missus ladder in her tights? Nov 26 10:46:49 its not about the demo image, its about getting a patch into the main flow Nov 26 10:46:50 i want a pony Nov 26 10:46:54 what colour? Nov 26 10:47:23 greeeeeeeen Nov 26 10:47:27 Stskeeps, the patchsets seen for other systems involve sgx, hence me asking Nov 26 10:48:14 ali1234: most people prefer pink :) Nov 26 10:48:34 timeless-webchat, most people who ask have nick names starting with M and ending in yrtti Nov 26 10:48:37 lcuk: my plan is on monday to upgrade to newest fbdev-sgx which doesnt crash on normal xorg and prepare the kernel work for our maintainer to review and integrate Nov 26 10:48:52 lcuk: heh Nov 26 10:49:21 X-Fade: Could you please license me to login the build.meego.com? I just want to check the Project Config for my own OBS. Nov 26 10:49:51 Stskeeps, reasonable :) the fbdev-sgx is open (the sgx worries me) Nov 26 10:49:52 Fansy: No, I can't. Nov 26 10:49:59 ? ^ Nov 26 10:50:01 Fansy: We don't manage core OBS. Nov 26 10:50:01 * timeless-webchat sighs Nov 26 10:50:07 Fansy: prjconf is on infrastructure tools in meego.gitorious.org Nov 26 10:50:18 after 6 hours i got a build of Qt which only has public symbols Nov 26 10:51:25 Ford_Prefect: better to state what's failing/what you're attempting to do... Nov 26 10:51:39 lcuk: right Nov 26 10:51:44 * ferringb sighs... really not doing well w/ the autocompletion right now Nov 26 10:51:59 lcuk: just has to link against gles/pvr so it is in non-oss as trunk cant touch non-oss with a ten foot pole Nov 26 10:52:05 Fansy: better to state what's failing/what you're attempting to do... Nov 26 10:52:36 Stskeeps: Actually it still can't work well even I import the prjconf from meego.gitorious.org. Nov 26 10:52:50 Just a osc build meego_1.1_core i586 ... , ferringb Nov 26 10:53:04 :/ Nov 26 10:53:12 Think I need to pop out wireshark at this point Nov 26 10:53:16 Fansy: did you take the Trunk one? Nov 26 10:53:35 Stskeeps: I'm not sure anymore about OBS. I'll have to look further into it. :/ (after lunch) Nov 26 10:53:36 oh nice Nov 26 10:53:40 * timeless-webchat is about to run out of disk space Nov 26 10:55:04 Fansy: reiterating... what exactly are you attempting to do that requires you to get a prjconf dump? Nov 26 10:55:10 Stskeeps, and the open patches do not actually modify sgx copyrighted (ie private) code? Nov 26 10:55:12 Stskeeps: Which one? I took this one: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config Nov 26 10:56:43 how to flash an image to aava ? Nov 26 10:57:01 I have a .sda.bin file and one boot.bin file ? Nov 26 10:57:14 lcuk: no, just uses them Nov 26 10:57:21 Do I need to copy boot.bin file to some directory ? Nov 26 10:57:34 lokesh: use the .sda.bin one Nov 26 10:57:44 thats the sd card image, afaiok Nov 26 10:57:49 Fansy: Trunk Nov 26 10:57:52 Stskeeps, thats good then, thanks Nov 26 10:58:28 X-Fade, how do you do an arm specific thing in the spec? I remembered it was something like %if arm but that doesnt seem to work and i cant find the damned slides that explained it at the conf! Nov 26 10:58:33 yeh.. but last time I flashed that image to sd card and used on aava, my aava didn't boot up :( Nov 26 10:58:34 speak up if you would like some assistance technical or otherwise \o Nov 26 10:59:22 I'm a little stuck with message queuing and sockets but that's unrelated to meego Nov 26 10:59:25 arfoll: %ifarch %arm Nov 26 10:59:37 ferringb awesome cheers Nov 26 11:00:34 don't forget %else and %endif Nov 26 11:03:20 ferringb: My obs is working. But faild to build any Meego src rpm. I'm attempting to build the whole Meego source. I think it should be the prjconf issue. Nov 26 11:03:43 that's not prjconf Nov 26 11:04:16 Fansy: building what pkg? Nov 26 11:04:25 hi lokesh Nov 26 11:05:19 hi timeless Nov 26 11:05:49 ferringb: let me check. Sry. Nov 26 11:09:16 arfoll: Something you might like: http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/kernel.spec Nov 26 11:10:13 CosmoHill, cheers Nov 26 11:11:40 they're not that good but they all compiled and they've been running on my server for almost 2 years :) Nov 26 11:13:03 dddd Nov 26 11:13:47 any aava experts here ? Nov 26 11:13:55 I need help Nov 26 11:14:53 lokesh, i'm far from an expert but shoot Nov 26 11:15:49 lokesh, hi, you might have luck asking in #meego-handset although we haven't heard too much noise from aava folks recently Nov 26 11:16:03 I have this .sda.bin file, which I dd to my mmc card Nov 26 11:16:12 now my aava doesn't boot.. Nov 26 11:16:30 do I need to put the .boot.bin file somewhere in some directory ? Nov 26 11:17:29 when I press the power key, It shows the aavamobile logo and is stuck there Nov 26 11:17:34 lokesh, no dd'ing the .sda.bin file should be enough Nov 26 11:17:42 does it take a long time to boot ? Nov 26 11:17:47 make sure your /boot isnt empty Nov 26 11:17:58 I can check that Nov 26 11:18:04 lokesh, depends on your device - do you have a DV1/EV0/EV2? Nov 26 11:18:30 dv2 Nov 26 11:19:26 only one i haven't played with, but i guess they should work better, i had boot problems with ev0 Nov 26 11:19:45 which image are you using? last one i used was 1.1 stable Nov 26 11:20:16 I built one based on the latest available in trunk Nov 26 11:21:39 i have no idea then, have you tried one of the premade images to see if they work? maybe check your SD card, i fried one while writing an aava image, although the aava after 1 minute or so would show me an error message on that bootup logo Nov 26 11:22:11 hello Nov 26 11:22:17 hello Nov 26 11:22:36 am looking for people in London, as we're thinking of organizing a "Christmas" meetup :) Nov 26 11:24:54 hmm.. will try with other SD card Nov 26 11:25:08 I am using a Class 6 SD card, does that make a difference ? Nov 26 11:26:09 lokesh, no idea, i used a class2 and a class4 Nov 26 11:26:14 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.7.20101123.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-mtf/meego-handset-ia32-mtf-1.1.80.7.20101123.1-sda.bin.bz2 Nov 26 11:26:19 is this for AAVA ? Nov 26 11:26:46 lokesh: aava images normally have aava in the filename Nov 26 11:26:53 no you want one that says aava Nov 26 11:27:10 none available on repo.meego.com Nov 26 11:27:12 those are for moorestone SDK - i tried one on aava, and they dont boot Nov 26 11:27:27 aava is a very different architecture to IA32 Nov 26 11:27:35 my .ks file which I used to build the image, I had taken from there Nov 26 11:27:49 where can I find a kickstart file for AAVA ? Nov 26 11:28:11 spyro, what? it's an atom moorestone Nov 26 11:28:36 lokesh, look here - http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/ Nov 26 11:28:54 i'm sure you can adapt the .ks and see where the diff is Nov 26 11:29:14 is it like support for AAVA dropped for 1.2 ? Nov 26 11:29:23 I dont see any aava images in Trunk anymore Nov 26 11:29:36 lokesh: its integrated with ia32-mtf at least Nov 26 11:29:40 i dont think its directly unsupported Nov 26 11:29:45 lokesh, thats true. the pvr-bin driver is still there for moorestone though i checked Nov 26 11:29:50 just.. no longer a reference device Nov 26 11:29:53 you probably just need to fix the .ks to make it boot Nov 26 11:30:32 arfoll : what exactly do I need to fix in ks ? Nov 26 11:30:54 lokesh, no idea, do a diff between the mtf image and aava image Nov 26 11:31:05 sure you'll find something Nov 26 11:31:30 yeh good ides. Nov 26 11:31:32 yeh good idea Nov 26 11:31:33 thanks Nov 26 11:33:03 arfoll: yes, the cpu is the same Nov 26 11:33:32 arfoll: but ia32 is an architecture inc. chipset type. x86 is an insn set :) Nov 26 11:33:45 only platforid=aava Nov 26 11:33:49 difference Nov 26 11:33:57 spyro, lol ok Nov 26 11:34:08 also fstype in aava is btrfs Nov 26 11:34:33 spyro: oi! sorry for the lack of replies and stuff, been a bit busy since i got back :) Nov 26 11:34:37 try booting an aava kernel on qemu - it will fail because the hardware is alien compared to ia32 Nov 26 11:34:47 leinir: hiya matey :) Nov 26 11:35:02 lokesh, well i can tell you that image works for me, so I would start changing that Nov 26 11:35:22 lokesh: fstype is irrelevant - all the aava differences are hardware (and thus kernel) differences Nov 26 11:35:24 spyro, yeah but we where talking about the moorestone SDK and the aava Nov 26 11:35:32 yeh :) Nov 26 11:35:43 oh the sdk will be near identical. just not the images Nov 26 11:36:05 my point Nov 26 11:36:45 :) Nov 26 11:36:59 lokesh, try figure out what patforid does, im guessing thats all you need to change Nov 26 11:37:31 ok will try Nov 26 11:37:38 userspace software should not care about the diff. between aava and ia32 Nov 26 11:42:47 Ford_Prefect, woohoo! I can have meego in virtualbox! Nov 26 11:43:05 without sound, but going to install it instead of running it live from the img Nov 26 11:43:17 a Nov 26 11:43:20 hello Nov 26 11:45:08 right Nov 26 11:46:54 * timeless-webchat rotfl Nov 26 11:47:07 lokesh: have you ever tried filing a bug using http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/secure/CreateIssue.jspa ? Nov 26 11:47:18 Followed by....Maemo 6 Nov 26 11:47:49 hey tekojo Nov 26 11:47:50 timeless : sorry, I didnt :( Nov 26 11:48:05 timeless = ??? Nov 26 11:48:31 Hello Nov 26 11:49:30 * CosmoHill has two overheating laptops on his desk :/ Nov 26 11:49:44 CosmoHill: open the window... that should help :D Nov 26 11:49:51 damn that's a good idea Nov 26 11:51:07 I've had to get myself one of these laptop stands with fans for my MBP.. Nov 26 11:51:29 CosmoHill: where are you based? Nov 26 11:51:41 my powerbook is at 65C and has been for the last hour Nov 26 11:51:45 Essex, UK Nov 26 11:52:03 CosmoHill, my desktop sits at 71C - it's fine Nov 26 11:52:59 overheating will definitely not be a problem if you put it outside now :) Nov 26 11:53:10 -10C Nov 26 11:53:40 adeus, is that finger friendly? Nov 26 11:53:46 in meego... how do I go to a shell outside of X? Nov 26 11:53:48 CosmoHill: could you make it to London for an evening? Nov 26 11:53:54 my other laptop is 28C and 15C.., that's not right Nov 26 11:54:00 julienf: no Nov 26 11:54:03 sorry Nov 26 11:54:17 that's alright :) Nov 26 11:55:15 luisbg: CTRL+Alt+F1/F2...? Nov 26 11:55:49 julienf, hmmm... when I try to do that in virtualbox, it changes the display in the host Nov 26 11:55:54 going to google for it Nov 26 11:56:41 adeus: I'd have warm legs and the rest of me will be froxen Nov 26 11:57:07 hi Nov 26 11:57:25 luisbg: there was something also with Ctrl/Alt and the right/left keys Nov 26 11:57:27 .o/ Nov 26 11:57:28 CosmoHill: so it averages out nicely Nov 26 11:57:38 hi paines Nov 26 11:58:13 julienf, I get nothing with the right/left keys (+ ctrl/alt) Nov 26 11:58:16 quick question: How much work do you think it would be to get an app from Maemo to Meego? Nov 26 11:58:26 is it qt? Nov 26 11:58:35 Stskeeps: it's a game, so I doubt :) Nov 26 11:58:57 gles2? Nov 26 11:59:02 sdl? Nov 26 11:59:07 Stskeeps: curious, you involved in qemu-arm/qt at all? Nov 26 11:59:09 I am plying around with a qemu+beagle setup. I managed to got a meego beagle image booting, described mostly here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_the_Beagle. however there is no X, nor can't i log in. root + meego isn't working as user credentails. anyone know what I am missing ? Nov 26 11:59:13 gles2 I think Nov 26 11:59:31 ferringb: no, but i maintain meego for n900 and was along since very early on on the meego arm port Nov 26 11:59:51 Stskeeps: who is the qemu-arm person to chat with? Nov 26 12:00:00 Stskeeps: bugging you since BMC 5217 I just noticed Nov 26 12:00:42 ferringb: dl9pf, scriptripper and suihkulokki is my usual go-to guys -- i think my prelink patches aren't 100% stable Nov 26 12:00:56 * lcuk goes and lays down, burled up around his thoughts for a while :) Nov 26 12:01:01 ferringb: got it in home:cvm/prelink Nov 26 12:01:02 curled even :P Nov 26 12:01:18 Stskeeps: any progress on that prelink bug btw? that one strikes me as potentially beneficial ;) Nov 26 12:01:22 dl9pf: ping Nov 26 12:01:39 ferringb: it's beyond my abilities i think - linaro wants to work on it too but it's low-prio Nov 26 12:01:54 ferringb: if you know more about ELF than me, you're more than welcome to continue onmy work :) Nov 26 12:02:11 * ferringb is mainly fixing the emulation issues atm for building Nov 26 12:02:21 :nod: sounds really good Nov 26 12:02:41 ferringb: feel free to hang out in #meego-arm Nov 26 12:02:58 * ferringb mutters, yeah, that channel would make sense Nov 26 12:02:59 as that's where most people who are 'qemu customers' are in Nov 26 12:03:02 woot, my program reached 12 characters Nov 26 12:09:07 is the system update for meego ok to install or does it do something to networking to break it? Nov 26 12:09:47 wl-kmod breaks afaik Nov 26 12:10:11 important update available [DISMISS] for now then Nov 26 12:10:14 thanks Stskeeps :) Nov 26 12:10:27 anybody has meego installed in a virtualbox in a machine without intel graphics? Nov 26 12:10:37 lokesh: tsk =b Nov 26 12:10:49 pong ferringb Nov 26 12:11:21 timeless ??? Nov 26 12:11:28 tsk =b ?? Nov 26 12:15:04 luisbg: what do you mean w/o intel graphics? Nov 26 12:15:14 i've installed an old version of meego into virtualbox Nov 26 12:15:24 timeless-webchat, I'm following the wiki page I just found Nov 26 12:15:27 and iirc i eventually managed to get x to do something Nov 26 12:15:34 let me see if I can make it work :) Nov 26 12:15:49 anyway, my day is basically over. good luck Nov 26 12:16:39 bye timeless-webchat Nov 26 12:17:08 timeless-webchat, doing anything this weekend? Nov 26 12:17:13 have a happy thanksgiving Nov 26 12:17:16 timeless-webchat, X works now Nov 26 12:17:19 lcuk_idea: are you in town? Nov 26 12:17:30 is there anyway to change the screen resolution of meego? Nov 26 12:17:31 would like to be, but alas no Nov 26 12:17:33 i'm trying to arrange for people to see The Social Network Nov 26 12:17:43 timeless-webchat, great movie! :) Nov 26 12:17:46 cool, theres a meego meetup on monday afaik Nov 26 12:17:55 lcuk_idea: remind me monday before i miss it? Nov 26 12:17:58 now it a bad time ;) Nov 26 12:18:06 sure, np, enjoy the movie Nov 26 12:18:56 sp3000: so... would you be in? Nov 26 12:19:16 i'll need to coordinate w/ people sunday morning, it's probably hsivonen + smaug + myself Nov 26 12:19:19 * lcuk_idea goes back to doodling Nov 26 12:27:06 ferringb: pong Nov 26 12:27:09 hi Nov 26 12:31:26 * CosmoHill watches someone fail at spamming Nov 26 12:33:04 looks like 'kernel-mrst' is missing in trunk now Nov 26 12:33:47 my aava image creation from trunk/daily fails Nov 26 12:36:05 * CosmoHill wonders how he got a standard deviation of 230 million Nov 26 12:36:46 CosmoHill, lol Nov 26 12:37:19 does anyone know where the ITP wiki page is, I cant seem to find it, the one created by lbt and timoph Nov 26 12:37:41 how come the wiki says "yum" for all package handling things, but meego includes zypper? Nov 26 12:37:49 is it a 1.0 -> 1.1 change? Nov 26 12:37:52 can't you search for the user and then view the pages they;ve made? Nov 26 12:40:25 CosmoHill, found it http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP Nov 26 12:40:30 hmm, that standard deviation is really gonna mess up my graph Nov 26 12:40:35 yay Nov 26 12:41:09 this is to prevent multiple people working towards the same goal without knowing, correct? Nov 26 12:41:19 yes Nov 26 12:41:36 and also to give timoph some load balancing :P Nov 26 12:42:15 damn this ideapad does not get hot Nov 26 12:42:20 my hands are cold Nov 26 12:42:33 wanna borrow my powerbook? Nov 26 12:42:33 * lcuk_idea rebuilds libmeegotouch Nov 26 12:42:34 * Ford_Prefect hands lcuk_idea a Gentoo livecd :D Nov 26 12:42:40 haha Nov 26 12:42:52 go on youtube Nov 26 12:42:59 it is strange that its idle speed is 1000mhz tho Nov 26 12:43:07 youtube gets my laptop hotter than the program I was just running Nov 26 12:43:14 my x41 would idle at 600mhz happily :) Nov 26 12:43:44 and my 200s idles at 800 Nov 26 12:43:51 hey guys, I have the MEEGO_GENIVI_BEAGLE_DEMO.img, and it boots up, but I cannot log into, with root/meego. any idea ? Nov 26 12:43:55 i guess it needs to run so fast all the time :) Nov 26 12:44:09 lcuk: the cpu has only 3 speeds on the ideapad Nov 26 12:44:26 paines: can you login with meego/meego ? Nov 26 12:44:45 spyro, on the silicon or in the kernel? Nov 26 12:44:51 CosmoHill, no Nov 26 12:44:59 silicon I'd expect Nov 26 12:45:00 good to see you here btw :) Nov 26 12:45:07 lcuk: :) Nov 26 12:45:10 maybe you need to mount it, chroot in and run passwd Nov 26 12:45:23 are things hectic at your house? Nov 26 12:46:50 lcuk: hectic as in I'm preparing to move, yes. Hectic as in crowded / chaotic, no. Feel free to visit, I could use the company :) Nov 26 12:47:19 do you have bud or guinness on tap? Nov 26 12:47:49 CosmoHill, good idea. i will just mount it and delete the root pw Nov 26 12:47:53 thanks for idea Nov 26 12:48:05 no problem, I've had to do it myself Nov 26 12:48:23 sometimes I find that passwd doesn't work in a chroot but it still allows you to delete passwords Nov 26 12:48:59 lcuk: Can be arranged, all three kinds :) Nov 26 12:50:05 haha Nov 26 12:50:22 ill have a shower and head over in a bit then Nov 26 12:50:25 okies :) Nov 26 12:50:34 lbt, X-Fade, were you able to provide accounts to the community OBS? Nov 26 12:51:31 mairas: yes. Nov 26 12:51:50 X-Fade, and a Python project as well? ;-) Nov 26 12:51:54 mairas: Should work for you now. Nov 26 12:52:23 mairas: Well the project is something which might need some discussion. Nov 26 12:52:53 X-Fade, I'm ready to discuss :-D Nov 26 12:53:33 mairas: But i'm not atm. -ENOTIME Nov 26 12:53:55 X-Fade, sudo I'm ready to discuss Nov 26 12:54:35 (nah, take your time) Nov 26 12:55:43 * lcuk_idea giggles Nov 26 13:00:34 X-Fade, How I can get a meego comunity OBS account, to work with PySide packages? Nov 26 13:00:57 renato: sure, what is your username at meego.com? Nov 26 13:01:20 one minute I need to check Nov 26 13:02:46 X-Fade, renatofilho Nov 26 13:03:04 renato: ok, done. Nov 26 13:03:12 X-Fade, thanks :D Nov 26 13:13:07 err question: for a bug report how do I identify the build version of this netbook i am in now Nov 26 13:13:19 * lcuk_idea is used to maemo in this regard Nov 26 13:14:28 good question, and you are not the first one asking Nov 26 13:16:08 i will leave it for now, but will file a bug about it specifically once I am done with this one Nov 26 13:16:17 cat /etc/meego-release - gives some output Nov 26 13:17:05 We did that at the conf Nov 26 13:17:25 but IMHO you should report versions of involved components Nov 26 13:18:53 * andre__ wonders if "cat /etc/meego-release" works on any platform Nov 26 13:19:05 any that has it in .ks yeah Nov 26 13:21:56 * CosmoHill stabs excel Nov 26 13:26:09 hi guys. Is there a way to increase MeeGo stack size limit? Nov 26 13:39:42 whoa, meego netbook boots super fast :) Nov 26 13:42:24 mece: whooa meego phone are super slow! Nov 26 13:42:28 phones* Nov 26 13:47:33 How can I compile uxlaunch in ubuntu? Nov 26 13:53:01 Hiya. :3 Nov 26 14:06:17 have you read this? : http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/11/the-meego-progress-report-a-or-d/ Nov 26 14:06:40 yes, good article by dneary Nov 26 14:07:01 hey hey! One was summoned? Nov 26 14:07:53 indeed Nov 26 14:08:13 just reading it made me wonder, does anyone else thing that the weird bird mascots of MeeGo are very lame? Nov 26 14:08:27 i think they were quite cool, they grow on you Nov 26 14:08:38 bird mascots? Nov 26 14:08:56 http://meego.com/sites/all/files/imagecache/highlight_image/highlights/meego-highlight-1.1-release.png Nov 26 14:08:59 those guys Nov 26 14:09:25 oh, I've never even thought they look anything like birds Nov 26 14:09:28 lassemon, they arent all birds Nov 26 14:09:42 ok well bird-like :D Nov 26 14:10:00 c'mon they look like they have beacks :) Nov 26 14:10:04 they look a bit like Katamari family members Nov 26 14:10:05 * Jucato can't see the resemblance Nov 26 14:10:15 only one has Nov 26 14:10:37 dunno, they look more like noses than beaks :) Nov 26 14:10:58 is the community obs explained anywhere on the MeeGo wiki? Nov 26 14:11:35 just to think that the target developers (mostly atleast familiar with linux) are used to really cool stuff, those mascots don't really rise to the level Nov 26 14:11:59 in particular, how to get an account? Nov 26 14:12:10 I dunno, but the git of it seems to be "talk to lbt" Nov 26 14:12:11 lassemon, so what would YOUR meegon look like? Nov 26 14:12:30 townxelliot: yeah, accounts are handed out by lbt :) Nov 26 14:12:40 how would you make it stand out Nov 26 14:12:46 townxelliot: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder Nov 26 14:12:53 birds? wuh? Nov 26 14:13:06 well to be fair, some of them are birds Nov 26 14:13:20 to me, they just look very... wide... Nov 26 14:13:21 but by the same token, some of them are bottles too Nov 26 14:13:25 one is a furry critter *glances at leinir* Nov 26 14:13:29 http://wiki.meego.com/Meegons#texrat Nov 26 14:13:30 Mek, Chani: thanks Nov 26 14:13:33 lassemon: well, to add my 0,02€ - friends call the android mascot little green f*er. I accordingly started calling them the little colourful... Nov 26 14:13:57 haha Nov 26 14:13:58 Jucato: *giggles* Yees? :) Nov 26 14:14:09 oh right, I was suppised to ask for a meegon Nov 26 14:14:16 * Chani was supposed to do many things. Nov 26 14:14:24 leinir: oh were just talking about meegons as birds and furry critters :P Nov 26 14:14:25 well lcuk when I think of the reasons I like linux in general, one reason is because linux nerds are cool. When you have wallpapers like this: http://bit.ly/fIUznU out there and cool UI things like the compiz-fusion, the MeeGo image just isn't good enough, for me and a lot of me friends say the same Nov 26 14:14:30 Chani: *nods* Yup! :) texrat does drop by here from time to time :) Nov 26 14:14:39 Jucato: Aah *giggles* :) Nov 26 14:14:46 lassemon, hold on Nov 26 14:14:54 you are moaning the meegons look like birds Nov 26 14:15:01 and you pull a penguin out of your ass as something you like? Nov 26 14:15:07 yeah i know :D Nov 26 14:15:55 but the birds thing is not my point, the lameness is, the whatever MeeGo mascots are seem like little happy playing children in their own candy-land world Nov 26 14:15:59 that's not cool to me Nov 26 14:16:09 make an aweome meegon for yourself then? Nov 26 14:16:19 with a lightsabre if you desire Nov 26 14:16:35 dark-helmet-meegon ;) Nov 26 14:16:38 aww Nov 26 14:16:54 * dm8tbr walks up to mr.coffee to watch some radar Nov 26 14:17:04 * lcuk thinks the meegons are awesome and wishes he had skills to draw them as well Nov 26 14:17:16 I'll admit, the meego artwork style isn't really 'me'.. Nov 26 14:17:20 http://wiki.meego.com/images/Liqmeegon.png Nov 26 14:17:23 sith meegon me :D Nov 26 14:17:46 the beard is too long tho :P Nov 26 14:18:05 well I wasn't so much wanting something cool for myself, jost worried that the MeeGo image is effecting the buyers decision and the developers motivation and thus effecting the app supply and thus again the end buyer Nov 26 14:18:38 don't get me wrong I want the MeeGo to succeed as much as possible, just worried that it'll do less so because of this Nov 26 14:18:56 nahh theres other things atm like how to organise all the uxes and arrange which apps are available in each and give a consistant store front and to make it fast etc Nov 26 14:19:24 the meegons are just a few peoples way of motivating and including community which is just as awesome in my eyes Nov 26 14:19:41 what buyers? buyers are unlikely to see meegons except in the stock wallpaper, which is unlikely to remain unchanged by vendors I think Nov 26 14:19:57 developers motivation affected by logos/mascots? hm ... Nov 26 14:20:03 lassemon, in a hospital different people do different tasks, having some folks toying with meegons does not prevent the hard work from others Nov 26 14:20:05 oh lord, the idea that mascots mean something to the buyers... Nov 26 14:20:12 I ve a question of #meego on n900 what is the current status of last image ? does phone is working ? Nov 26 14:20:18 just think - STEVE JOBS IS THE MASCOT OF APPLE Nov 26 14:20:23 ewwww Nov 26 14:20:26 :D Nov 26 14:20:30 (then again, given the attendance in meego conf, I'm sure the developers were never affected :) Nov 26 14:20:50 mm, but Apple is a perfect example of motivating masses of people and how it works Nov 26 14:21:10 When Jobs dies, will they build him a mausoleum? Nov 26 14:21:20 RST38h: he'll never die Nov 26 14:21:24 RST38h, you mean an iMausoleum Nov 26 14:21:32 RST38h, they could just keep him in the signal testing vault Nov 26 14:21:44 I really hope you guys are right and that it no big deal Nov 26 14:22:01 Better yet, what will they do to the body? Nov 26 14:22:04 iTomb Nov 26 14:22:08 besides if some company decides to come up with an meego based product they'll brand it their way... Nov 26 14:22:20 see: Android Nov 26 14:22:57 The guy being such an aesthete and perfectionist, he probably hates the idea of post-mortem rot Nov 26 14:23:39 So, will the faithful subject him to plastification or something? With his turtleneck included? Nov 26 14:24:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw Nov 26 14:24:04 something that i hate the most on wiki is the search engine ... a real pain to use Nov 26 14:24:12 for example this way of seeing MeeGo is really really cool Nov 26 14:24:18 (altough a little complex, still cool) Nov 26 14:24:21 well the best wiki search engine is google :) Nov 26 14:24:25 how did this subject even come up? Nov 26 14:25:01 ~flashing Nov 26 14:25:01 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 26 14:25:23 lcuk: which one? Jobs? Nov 26 14:25:41 if yes, I point at Myrtti :) Nov 26 14:25:48 :D Nov 26 14:26:04 frals, regarding your earlier tweet Nov 26 14:26:08 well the best wiki search engine is google :) < yeah but it s a pain to found something on meego wiki Nov 26 14:26:24 would this even work: RT: @ovibynokia RT @WOMWorldNokia Apps to take up Everest on the Nokia N8: http://bit.ly/ih8skT Nov 26 14:26:36 Khertan: hint: site:wiki.meego.com Nov 26 14:26:39 otherwise it's lassemon ... which reminds me of pokemon/digimon ... which I find ironic since he/she brought up the topic of mascots :) Nov 26 14:27:08 :) yeah, the name actually is a long story and has relation to pokemon, but never mind that :P Nov 26 14:27:18 ouch ... there is many different way to install meego on n900 Nov 26 14:28:00 running MeeGo from class 4 memory card in n900 is not good enough, tried it, failed Nov 26 14:28:02 technically you don't install it *on* the n900 (unless that has changed now). you install it on the SD card and boot into that using the flasher Nov 26 14:28:45 Khertan: grab the 'demo' image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php Nov 26 14:28:48 Also, please, PLEASE get a faster card... Nov 26 14:28:53 Does there is prefered way ? Nov 26 14:28:57 ooh virgin media stb looks pretty Nov 26 14:28:58 http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/26/virgin_media_tivo_screens/ Nov 26 14:29:02 class 10 if you can, though i know those are a bit expensive ;) Nov 26 14:29:08 Stskeeps, phone call working ? Nov 26 14:29:33 leinir, and hard to find Nov 26 14:29:39 it calls, but there's no audio routing. iow only the speakers are used Nov 26 14:29:48 (not the phone speaker) Nov 26 14:29:52 Khertan: yes, but only if you dont have PIN Nov 26 14:29:58 Stskeeps, nice Nov 26 14:30:02 Khertan: not really that hard - unless you insist on a physical store :) Nov 26 14:30:13 all i need is be able to call and receive call ... and a xterm Nov 26 14:30:20 leinir, yeah :) Nov 26 14:30:24 hm .. is there a way to find out an SD card's class after it has been bought and the packaging discarded? :) Nov 26 14:30:31 I've heard class 6 should be enough, I think that's also the recommendation Nov 26 14:30:55 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot << this method is ok ? Nov 26 14:30:55 Jucato: isn't there a number on the card somewhere? Nov 26 14:31:30 Khertan: go for the one using 'flasher' right now Nov 26 14:31:48 Stskeeps, oki thx for the info Nov 26 14:31:54 Khertan: just make sure that you don't install some weird kernel ;) Nov 26 14:31:55 ouch my sd card is a class 2 Nov 26 14:31:56 :) Nov 26 14:31:57 lassemon: hehe it was too small to read. thanks Nov 26 14:32:01 * Jucato has class 4 Nov 26 14:32:01 dm8tbr, sure ... :) Nov 26 14:32:07 uh Nov 26 14:32:10 :) Nov 26 14:32:14 Khertan: i have class too, fwiw Nov 26 14:32:16 yeah, above class 4 is not that common Nov 26 14:32:33 well, at leas the 8GB one is C4. I have some others. dunno the classes yet :) Nov 26 14:32:35 hum ... even if slow it ll be enough to test my app Nov 26 14:33:09 Jucato: yeah :) bare in mind that the price goes up as much as double from 4 -> 6 Nov 26 14:33:27 I hope you don't have to buy one Nov 26 14:33:28 Khertan, as usual, make it as fast as possible now and once the rest of the optimisations from other teams hit the apps will fly Nov 26 14:33:38 I think 4 is enough for MeeGo if I have to buy one I think :) Nov 26 14:33:47 :D Nov 26 14:34:03 well it'll run, bot don't expect it to be smooth Nov 26 14:34:24 lcuk, yep :) Nov 26 14:34:38 hey guys. i got the meego + beagle image in a qemu+beagle setup running. now I have the problem I cannot do inputs. I see some Tips and Tricks window, but clicking the close button does nothing. any idea ?!?!? Nov 26 14:34:49 i first used an old 2G microsd card, not even a microSDHC. then switched to class 6 card but didn't notice any difference in performance Nov 26 14:37:12 tvainio: on n900 ? Nov 26 14:37:54 lassemon: yes Nov 26 14:38:12 tvainio, really gonna depend on what you're doing. Nov 26 14:38:16 haven't done any benchmarking Nov 26 14:38:30 just generic UI feel + some test automation things Nov 26 14:43:31 tvainio, which is fairly useless as a real comparison. ;) Nov 26 14:44:04 dunno, with us the class 4 had some serious problems just opening the application list window Nov 26 14:44:14 ls Nov 26 14:44:21 damn Nov 26 14:46:59 hey lcuk , funny picture. Nov 26 14:47:43 I hope windows phone 7 survives some time Nov 26 14:48:13 so MS can push through a "Phone 7 Ready" certification for microsd cards :) Nov 26 14:48:40 ShadowJK: also, if it fails, they might make another one Nov 26 14:50:55 ShadowJK: I read somewhere that MS actually said that those high class cards were crap for their random access needs as they were very optimized for linear access Nov 26 14:51:47 If manufacturer has used dual-channel technologies (think like raid0...), then it just gets slower for random access Nov 26 15:11:32 i think that my class 2 card explain why i got some strange reboot when i put swap on it :) Nov 26 15:12:36 hi? Nov 26 15:12:41 rawr Nov 26 15:13:13 brrrrhhhh cold Nov 26 15:13:20 oh Nov 26 15:13:33 who are you? Nov 26 15:14:21 huh? Nov 26 15:14:24 I'm Cosmo and that with Myrtti Nov 26 15:14:56 oh i m gisell Nov 26 15:15:13 what are you doing? Nov 26 15:16:39 gisell: well, we are chatting. Nov 26 15:16:59 i know Nov 26 15:17:08 im not useless Nov 26 15:17:15 I'm gonna look for my motivation and then write a report Nov 26 15:17:21 ok Nov 26 15:17:49 ok Nov 26 15:18:42 gisell: so what are you doing then? Nov 26 15:19:07 im.... chatting in my house Nov 26 15:20:01 right Nov 26 15:20:12 right Nov 26 15:20:24 this is..... Nov 26 15:21:08 ...MeeGo IRC channel on freenode? Nov 26 15:21:21 what? Nov 26 15:21:44 MeeGo IRC channel on freenode. Nov 26 15:21:45 damn. I just turned a slice of cheese into plastic Nov 26 15:21:57 german cheese slices do *not* like being griled Nov 26 15:22:05 what?where?how? Nov 26 15:22:07 Chani: so you're like the jesus of cheeses? Nov 26 15:22:15 cheesus Nov 26 15:22:19 Chani: in my family we just call that plastic cheese Nov 26 15:22:20 instead of melting, it rose up into a stange dome shape Nov 26 15:22:20 hahaha Nov 26 15:22:23 then deflated. Nov 26 15:22:23 Myrtti: ++ Nov 26 15:22:35 wow Nov 26 15:22:39 now it's hard and smooth, exactly like plastic Nov 26 15:22:44 mytti-- Nov 26 15:22:44 hahaha Nov 26 15:22:54 haha Nov 26 15:23:05 if it's like plastic for more than four hours call your doctor Nov 26 15:23:06 Chani: My guess is you found some kind of diet low fat cheese Nov 26 15:23:15 * Chani hadn't realized this stuff was so bad. it doesn't *taste* like plastic... not like kraft 'cheese' slices do... Nov 26 15:23:15 awwwwww :-< tybollt, it was the obvious pun waiting to be made Nov 26 15:23:18 Chani: proper cheese is high on fat -> melts easily Nov 26 15:23:38 Myrtti: Well I'll agree on that :) Nov 26 15:23:43 tybollt: yeah you're right - only low fat cheese is so terrible Nov 26 15:23:45 Are you playing.....chess? Nov 26 15:23:58 it's boring Nov 26 15:24:07 I feel like we're being played Turing machine test Nov 26 15:24:18 ah Nov 26 15:24:49 Myrtti: after all you are a LISA aren't you :) Nov 26 15:25:02 ehr Nov 26 15:25:04 whatever :) Nov 26 15:26:14 damn you Chani, now I want some cheese too Nov 26 15:26:57 bah the cheese it's bad Nov 26 15:27:10 which reminds me to plan my way home via 'Duo' Nov 26 15:27:26 thanks whoever operates chanserv ;) Nov 26 15:27:32 me. Nov 26 15:27:39 oh god Nov 26 15:27:44 Bot began to be a bit boring ;) Nov 26 15:27:44 pete *ate* it Nov 26 15:28:07 thanks Nov 26 15:28:42 no offense to Guadalinex users but if it really is a bot it sure is convincing one Nov 26 15:29:23 gisell is a bot? Nov 26 15:29:41 that, or a guadalinex user. Nov 26 15:29:53 the jury hasn't yet reached a verdict Nov 26 15:30:27 if he drowns, he's a guadalinex user, if he doesn't he's a bot and we should burn him Nov 26 15:32:38 UAHAHAHAHAHA http://twitter.com/mikkohypponen/status/8178608480718848 Nov 26 15:33:23 what's SCADA? Nov 26 15:33:56 ah, yes SCADA, always good for a laugh :D Nov 26 15:34:29 * w00t used to work with SCADA Nov 26 15:34:33 CosmoHill: industrial automation et al. Nov 26 15:34:55 heard of stuxnet? Siemens SCADA systems were the target Nov 26 15:35:00 "we can't find this memory leak so let's just reboot the systems every week" was around the time I started getting depressed with that career choice Nov 26 15:35:21 oh my Nov 26 15:35:48 they couldn't find an even dirtier fix involving sacrificing a goat to avoid the reboot? because you know never shut down a system... Nov 26 15:36:14 dm8tbr: that's a myth that started with COLOSSUS ;-) Nov 26 15:36:31 Myrtti: did the bot just pm you? Nov 26 15:36:35 Myrtti: if you're in US - this is must-try-cheese http://www.shop.specialtycheese.com/product.sc?productId=5&categoryId=20 Nov 26 15:36:44 CosmoHill: no Nov 26 15:37:21 Myrtti: I kind of fancy Kaffeost - how about you? :) Nov 26 15:37:28 pupnik_: ah, I'm in Finland but I've got some nice UK cheddar Nov 26 15:37:45 sorry to hear it Myrtti ;) Nov 26 15:37:59 yeah, I'd rather not wear these itchy leggings Nov 26 15:38:11 but alas I have to brave the outdoors soon Nov 26 15:38:25 How have the temperatures been so far Nov 26 15:39:01 pupnik_: did you hear, we're all gonna die Nov 26 15:39:05 -10 right now but it's going *down* Nov 26 15:39:21 cos nobody has been taught how to handle a car in a skid Nov 26 15:39:29 * CosmoHill is just talking about the UK Nov 26 15:39:58 CosmoHill: http://randomfunnypicture.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meanwhile-in-finland.jpg Nov 26 15:40:01 Let's write car navigation for MeeGo and nobody needs to be designated driver anymore. Nov 26 15:40:06 rofl Nov 26 15:42:10 Myrtti: do you know why he's only in a vest? because he's all hot from digging it out Nov 26 15:42:11 * dm8tbr likes the nice cold weather Nov 26 15:43:07 dm8tbr: I like it too. There's only two things I don't like about winter. Slippery roads and having hives due to the cold Nov 26 15:43:43 Myrtti: yes, so far the roads are well prepared here in herwood Nov 26 15:44:33 anyone know how to list dependencies for a package using zypper Nov 26 15:44:40 I've tried to avoid them, which is why I've cut down my intake of Jalopeno and Selvi iskenders. Nov 26 15:44:43 zypper info [package] doesnt seem to show them Nov 26 15:44:52 anyway, now I'm really heading for Duo and I bet just because Myrtti mentioned it it will be slippery. ;-p Nov 26 15:45:24 That peer guy is doing it again.... Nov 26 15:45:46 ? Nov 26 15:45:57 Closing all these connections :) Nov 26 15:46:21 oh I see Nov 26 15:49:58 right, nice weekend everyone Nov 26 15:55:28 hi (bry) Nov 26 16:00:30 does there exist any hotkey by default to bring out the zone selection applet? Nov 26 16:00:35 like alt+tab Nov 26 16:01:00 join #ubuntu Nov 26 16:01:02 shit Nov 26 16:01:27 happens Nov 26 16:17:14 lcuk, FYI filed http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10540 . Feel free to CC Nov 26 16:23:03 morinig Nov 26 16:23:08 morning Nov 26 16:23:51 thanks andre__ voted for it also Nov 26 16:23:59 (assume that gets me on the cc list) Nov 26 16:24:15 ah. thanks. couldn't find your email address, wanted to CC you :) Nov 26 16:24:39 ah, the private one Nov 26 16:24:57 hm? Nov 26 16:25:20 i tried to CC you by using your work address, but that one is not in bugzilla Nov 26 16:25:30 okay my prime number checker works as long as you don't give it an even number Nov 26 16:26:19 andre__, i created meego user account under liquid@gmail.com - basically reproduced same as maemo credentials Nov 26 16:26:29 erani: the 'windows' key? Nov 26 16:27:05 andre__, but i thought the bugtracker wouldnt mind unregistered addresses Nov 26 16:27:13 ie my collabora.co.uk account should have worked? Nov 26 16:27:21 no Nov 26 16:27:37 I can't spam by adding a bunch of unregistered addresses to the CC list :-P Nov 26 16:27:45 shame :P Nov 26 16:28:28 dm8tbr: err, sorry, I meant zones app :) Nov 26 16:29:25 no idea then Nov 26 16:46:47 hi, anyone had any wifi problems after installing the latest updates on the ideabook? Nov 26 16:47:49 I cannot see any wifi channels anymore Nov 26 16:48:19 which chipset for wifi on your ideapad ? Nov 26 16:48:20 if I type ifconfig, I can see eth0 and l0, but no longer eth1 that I used to have Nov 26 16:48:33 fcrozat, I have broadcom Nov 26 16:49:07 (I have atheros) I'm not sure where the driver for broadcom is located on the usb stick we used Nov 26 16:49:07 jgrr__: Is your battery reporting correctly? Nov 26 16:49:47 fiferbo, yes Nov 26 16:50:02 I had the battery and the wifi hotkey problem earlier, this is not it Nov 26 16:50:06 I had problems with my wifi and battery reporting, had to pull the battery and reset bios Nov 26 16:50:19 jgrr__: Have you reinstalled the broadcom module? Nov 26 16:50:28 good (UGT) morning Nov 26 16:50:30 anyone else having suspend/resume issues with the ideapad? Nov 26 16:50:38 mine will sleep and resume once, then never again. Nov 26 16:50:38 fiferboy, no Nov 26 16:51:05 spyro: I have the problem all the time Nov 26 16:51:18 fortunately it Nov 26 16:51:23 its fast to boot Nov 26 16:51:29 it is quick to boot :) Nov 26 16:51:58 jgrr__: You can grab it from the community repo, put it on USB and install it Nov 26 16:53:12 fiferboy: so you need to do it every time you upgrade the kernel? Nov 26 16:53:24 jgrr__: For broadcom and kernel updates, yes Nov 26 16:53:44 At least until there is an opensource version (which I heard rumour of but wouldn't hold my breath) Nov 26 16:54:04 fiferboy. Nov 26 16:54:13 GAN900: Pardon? Nov 26 16:55:21 Hello. :) Nov 26 16:55:32 GAN900: Oh. Hello! Nov 26 16:56:23 fiferboy: thank you Nov 26 16:56:46 by the way, why do you need to use usb for installing the package? Nov 26 16:57:05 jgrr__: Just assuming you don't have any connection on your IdeaPad ;) Nov 26 16:57:17 jgrr__: You can put it on there any way you want Nov 26 16:57:43 GAN900: I can't understand simple greetings the first time around Nov 26 17:01:10 geez, the irc-weather is really bad today Nov 26 17:07:57 hey slaine Nov 26 17:08:27 Hey CosmoHill Nov 26 17:08:50 my prime number tester was outwitted by evens :o Nov 26 17:13:52 fiferboy, but you understand the Irish perfectly. Nov 26 17:14:00 "Morning!" Nov 26 17:14:03 "What?" Nov 26 17:14:36 I /thought/ I understood them... Nov 26 17:16:02 GAN900: To be fair I was usually good after the greetings Nov 26 17:25:49 Hehe Nov 26 17:25:55 Calibrating... Calibrating... Nov 26 17:26:27 Listen, we can all be nearly perfect automatons Nov 26 17:26:37 Nearly?! Nov 26 17:31:57 Well, you do like the Rays Nov 26 17:34:35 Ehehe Nov 26 17:34:44 C'mon, it's not the Yankees! Nov 26 17:42:23 fiferboy, thank you for the tips Nov 26 17:43:01 it seems that you need to rebuild the packages from slaine Nov 26 17:43:43 * slaine raises his head from his keyboard Nov 26 17:46:46 thanks to slaine too for providing the kernel module source :) Nov 26 18:52:48 Does sshd is working on meego throught wifi ? Nov 26 18:52:59 i cannot connect with my desktop Nov 26 18:53:34 should Nov 26 18:53:38 on n900 at least Nov 26 18:53:57 ah hum ... in fact ping report me unreachable network Nov 26 18:54:03 got some problem so Nov 26 18:55:19 hum ... strange ... wifi seems not working Nov 26 18:57:21 wifi isn't working Nov 26 18:57:40 hum ... will wait next release to try my pyside apps :) Nov 26 19:04:31 I have a Qt Maemo application which pops up a help window. Under Maemo this is a stacked window. Under MeeGo it works, but you see the transition as if it was to a new application. Is this the most sensible way of doing things, or is there some replacement for the concept of stacked windows that I'm not aware of? Nov 26 19:05:23 Khertan: wifi should work, odd Nov 26 19:06:22 Hi. I'm trying to build some MeeGo packages on fedora, but I've run into a bit of a snag with the libmeegotouch package, and was hoping someone could help me figure out where a change needs to go to make it buildable Nov 26 19:08:08 I think all I need to do is add a -lrt to the g++ -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-O1 -o widgetsgallery line, but as I'm not farmiliar with qmake, I'm not sure where the change needs to go Nov 26 19:14:29 Stskeeps, phone and sms is working :) Nov 26 19:14:46 Stskeeps, 1032 packets transmitted, 6 received, +270 errors, 99% packet loss, time 1036286ms Nov 26 19:15:15 Khertan: looks bad Nov 26 19:15:20 yep Nov 26 19:17:02 Stskeeps, what is strange is that 6 packet got answer :) Nov 26 19:17:33 what version did you try? Nov 26 19:19:36 hum let me check Nov 26 19:19:46 file:///home/khertan/Desktop/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-demo-1.1.0.0.20101109.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 Nov 26 19:22:12 ok, thanks Nov 26 19:22:34 we had a rare problem that showed by network traffic being .. really slow Nov 26 20:57:53 Anyone having issues with the touchscreen on ideapad s10-3t? Mine just stopped working :P Nov 26 21:02:01 maybe it's same cause as why we lose TS at times on n900 Nov 26 21:02:04 check 'xinput' output Nov 26 21:11:23 today I learned that meego-im-uiserver doesn't use X events for the touch stuff Nov 26 21:11:32 so be aware :) Nov 26 21:12:05 is that good or bad? Nov 26 21:12:05 :P Nov 26 21:12:51 well if you assume it would, you'de wrong Nov 26 21:13:07 things like testing that I do kinda assume it does Nov 26 21:14:22 i guess if we're switching to wayland at some point, less reliance on x11 might be good Nov 26 21:14:55 lcuk et lbt, have you two seen russel's howard's good news? Nov 26 21:23:17 Stskeeps, did you see the "gtk inside a browser demo" Nov 26 21:23:40 adeus: is that another stage of toolkit death? Nov 26 21:23:41 :P Nov 26 21:23:49 http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2010/11/23/gtk3-vs-html5/ Nov 26 21:23:57 ^ that Nov 26 21:24:01 yeah, saw that Nov 26 21:26:46 from a test tool perspective, that kind of stuff is really interesting :) Nov 26 21:33:43 hi all :) Nov 26 21:35:20 does meego support umts modems? Nov 26 21:36:13 i've just connected a zte 112, but beside the normal dmesg output (about new gsm modem on /dev/ttyUSB0,1,2) nothing happens Nov 26 21:45:04 hello all :) Nov 26 21:46:28 Hey wazd Nov 26 21:51:07 fiferboy: heya, how was your trip back home? :) Nov 26 21:51:48 wazd: Good. My extra days in Wales were fun, and security didn't even look at me in the airport Nov 26 21:52:00 fiferboy orly :) Nov 26 21:52:10 wazd: What about you Nov 26 21:52:50 any ideas how to enable umts support in meego? Nov 26 21:52:54 fiferboy: French dudes had many questions about my duty free booze Nov 26 21:53:00 fiferboy: in french Nov 26 21:53:16 wazd: Nice Nov 26 21:53:34 fiferboy: and as always, I had like 30 minutes for transfer :) Nov 26 21:54:37 fiferboy: luckly, I knew like 5 words in french so I was able to explain my difficult situation to them :) Nov 26 21:55:12 fiferboy: so basicaly the flight was really boring if you'll compare it to Moscow-Dublin trip :D Nov 26 21:55:41 Boring is good Nov 26 21:56:24 fiferboy: now looking for some spare n900 screen :) Nov 26 21:56:42 wazd: Ah yes, I heard about your screen failure Nov 26 21:56:43 Did you spill your duty free booze on it? Nov 26 21:57:30 GAN900: nah, I actually broke it somehow while sitting and talking with you guys :D Nov 26 21:57:48 GAN900: or while playing werewolf Nov 26 21:59:16 GAN900: in fact the only thing that's broken is the screen itself. Case has no scratches or cracks, you can't see if the screen is broken without powering it on, touchscreen works just fine Nov 26 21:59:48 wazd: Maybe it took a high-powered ping-pong ball Nov 26 22:00:14 So I guess it's just a karma case, I had to give something back for all the fun I got :) Nov 26 22:42:30 morning Nov 26 22:48:37 morning Termana Nov 26 22:56:03 Stskeeps: after reboot the touchscreen started to work again... :/ Nov 27 00:44:32 morning Nov 27 00:45:18 Is anybody awake? Nov 27 00:48:12 did anybody had experience of build ourself image? such as including your packages in a meego image... Nov 27 00:48:47 good morning... Nov 27 00:50:23 fansy, can you hear me? Nov 27 00:51:31 tyson_: yes Nov 27 00:52:03 chinese? Nov 27 00:56:03 tyson_: you mean your image with mic2 ? Nov 27 00:56:29 yes,niala Nov 27 00:56:50 can you help me ?niala Nov 27 00:57:07 I m not sure, I m a simple user :) Nov 27 00:58:38 niala! me too. Nov 27 00:59:50 tyson_: hwat is your problem Nov 27 00:59:58 *what Nov 27 01:00:27 anybody know about meego obs configration Nov 27 01:00:58 kismeter, ask Nov 27 01:01:04 just ask and you see if you have an answer Nov 27 01:01:09 anyone has built armv7l rpm with src.rpm ? Nov 27 01:01:21 niala! some errors arise,like this: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/tmp/SampleMedia.tar' Nov 27 01:03:16 tyson_: error in downloading package? disk full? Nov 27 01:03:30 araujo:I setup a local obs and import meego 1.1, set the configration as http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS said Nov 27 01:04:45 tyson_: ls /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/tmp/SampleMedia.tar repertory exist? empty ? Nov 27 01:05:14 araujo:the config get from git clone http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git but when I build package, it says bad build configration Nov 27 01:07:30 niala! the directory /var/cache/meego-bootstrap has not the tmp/..and my disk has 7.3G free space. Nov 27 01:11:39 niala: maybe my .ks file has some problems...did you write your .ks file before you did this topic? Nov 27 01:12:14 tyson_: mmm Error creating image.... maybe you have other problem with your .ks or with mic2 Nov 27 01:12:20 lol i haven't read Nov 27 01:12:37 when I use the same conmmands to build a rpm package with src.rpm as http://wiki.meego.com/Local_Build_Without_OBS_Needed, success to build a i586 rpm package,but fail to build a armv7l rpm,anyone know the reason? Nov 27 01:12:41 yes my ks file is good Nov 27 01:12:58 Stskeeps: online? Nov 27 01:15:37 wintige: not without you showing us the errors Nov 27 01:15:58 wintige: preferably the entire build log Nov 27 01:16:29 tyson_: search a more explicit error. you see pakcage downloading when you create your image ? Nov 27 01:16:56 jonnor: chroot: failed to run command 'rpm ': Exec format error Nov 27 01:17:22 wintige: in what context? Nov 27 01:17:32 just pastebin the entire build log Nov 27 01:17:41 niala: the option --baseurl of the .ks file . i write it like this --baseurl=file:///home/administrator/myrepo. have some problems? Nov 27 01:17:43 jonnor: and I work in the fedora Nov 27 01:19:08 hello, I setup a local host as the wiki said, when build an additional package, the build result is unresolvable, said nothing provides binutils, nothing provides gcc45, nothing provides glibc, nothing provides bzip2, nothing provides gzip, nothing provides libdb-4_5, nothing provides gdbm, nothing provides libzio, nothing provides ncurses, nothing provides perl-base, nothing provides rpm, nothing provides zlib, nothing provides aa Nov 27 01:19:55 jonnor: those imformation :processing specfile /var/tmp/build-root/.build-srcdir/cpio.spec ... init_buildsystem --cachedir /var/cache/build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/armv7l/packages/ /var/tmp/build-root/.build-srcdir/cpio.spec ... It seems that there was an incomplete setup of /var/tmp/build-root. To be sure, we will build it again completely... Your build system is broken!! Shall I execute Nov 27 01:20:36 niala: i used this command: sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks --format=arm --mainrepo=myrepo Nov 27 01:20:52 tyson_: I don't if it's right or not but why 3/ --baseurl=file:/// Nov 27 01:21:22 wintige: so you are using the "build" tool?? Nov 27 01:21:29 wintige: are you sure it supports cross-compiling? Nov 27 01:22:08 tyson_: did you use ' createrepo ' ? Nov 27 01:22:48 niala: yes . i used this command to create my repo. Nov 27 01:23:28 tyson hello Nov 27 01:23:46 jonnor:but I can build the i386 rpm ,do it show supporting cross-compiling? Nov 27 01:24:10 jonnor:i586 Nov 27 01:24:21 tyson_: an without your repo image creation works ? Nov 27 01:24:22 wintige: i386 does not require cross-compiling, since I assume you are on a x86 machine Nov 27 01:24:39 jonnor:yes Nov 27 01:24:46 david_:any ideas about obs? Nov 27 01:25:34 jonnor:thanks ,I will try Nov 27 01:27:42 niala: yes. and the 3/ --baseurl=file:/// , about this, i writed it like this 3/ --baseurl=/home/administrator/myrepo. some errors arised. so i write it --baseurl=file:/// Nov 27 01:30:22 niala: yes. and the 3/ --baseurl=file:/// , about this, i writed it like this: --baseurl=/home/administrator/myrepo. some errors arised. so i write it --baseurl=file:/// Nov 27 01:37:15 tyson_: I mean you are right with /// Nov 27 01:41:38 niala: what's your ks file about some important option? such as --baseurl. and so on. i want to see your ks file....maybe it can help me. Nov 27 01:50:07 tyson_: nothing special not my own repo.. http://pastebin.com/z0TsFNDu Nov 27 01:52:50 Jonnor:online? I am trying to build a acorss-copile , and i have some question about "build" tool Nov 27 01:53:25 jonnor:online? I am trying to build a acorss-copile , and i have some question about "build" tool Nov 27 01:53:55 wintige: I'm off to bed, but just ask, others might know the answer or help you find it Nov 27 01:54:27 niala: thank you. and could you tell me your email? maybe next time i need ask you by email. Nov 27 01:54:30 rpm: error while loading shared libraries: liblua-5.1.so: cannot open shared object file:No such file or directory Nov 27 01:55:32 jonnor:ok , "build" do not to find the tools to compile from the net Nov 27 01:56:26 jonnor:it use the compile tools from the local host? Nov 27 01:56:43 tyson_: you can try http://meego.com/community/mailing-lists Nov 27 01:57:18 tyson_: some guru will help you Nov 27 02:00:04 jonnor: and I want to know ,"build" tools I loaded contain config file to meego1.0, where i can find "build" tools to meego1.1? Nov 27 02:06:08 hello lcuk_idea, question: ideapad touchscreen have 1finger or more active? touchscreen have right/midle clic ? Nov 27 02:07:50 niala, on the wiki i believe theres instructions for enabling the other buttons Nov 27 02:08:26 ok I search Nov 27 02:18:22 synclient RBCornerButton=3 don't work for asus t101m Nov 27 02:19:44 niala, you mentioned about the ideapad Nov 27 02:19:50 perhaps a similar option will work Nov 27 02:20:06 but did you try clicking the other side of the touchscreen Nov 27 02:20:15 i believe some systems have that mapped to rmb Nov 27 02:20:32 yes yes I mentioned ideapad because I know they is a lot of work on it Nov 27 02:22:44 anyone know "build" tools Nov 27 02:25:07 lcuk_idea: can you please do for me an 'synclient -l' for me and pastebin http://pastebin.com/P3ds6Ga6 Nov 27 02:25:24 from ideapad of course Nov 27 02:27:05 not tonight i cant niala - but with 1000 people having ideapads someone can Nov 27 02:28:25 niala: the touchscreen has two finger support Nov 27 02:28:50 but afaik it is up to software to do stuff like rmb with it Nov 27 02:29:41 why why why why I did not dare go to conf.. :/ Nov 27 02:30:29 funny story: i just reinstalled windows on my ideapad so i can install nokia qt sdk for windows so i can develop qt apps for symbian Nov 27 02:31:31 ali1234, nokia sdk did not work on meego? Nov 27 02:31:38 ali1234: it's a crime :) Nov 27 02:32:26 niala, i did anyway for you since i ended up flicking around http://pastebin.com/Z7qRj3Sj Nov 27 02:32:32 in return: wanted: vnc client Nov 27 02:34:02 lcuk_idea: there's no symbian compile for liux Nov 27 02:34:59 ali1234, what did you use before last week to build symbian apps? Nov 27 02:35:03 i didn't Nov 27 02:35:38 i just developed for desktop Nov 27 02:36:08 same synclient -l Nov 27 02:36:37 actually there is a symbian compiler for linux but setting it up is too hard Nov 27 02:37:18 amusingly enough, NOTHING works ootb with a vanilla win7 install on the ideapad Nov 27 02:37:27 not even ethernet Nov 27 02:37:53 niala, come to the San Francisco conference in May. There will be less rain than in Dublin but still lots of fine beers. Nov 27 02:38:06 but even setting all that up was easier than trying to figure out the symbian on linux stuff :/ Nov 27 02:38:58 wow, win7 really likes to reboot a lot Nov 27 02:39:11 during installation yea Nov 27 02:39:15 like 3 times Nov 27 02:39:22 nokia pc suite made me reboot twice in a row Nov 27 02:39:34 and then csc.exe crashed Nov 27 02:39:40 gotta love windows Nov 27 02:40:05 i had to reboot after installing each driver too, that's like 10 reboots Nov 27 02:40:19 ali1234: you can tell your grandkids about the excitement of your touth, rebooting Windows Nov 27 02:40:52 s/touth/youth/ Nov 27 02:40:52 berndhs meant: ali1234: you can tell your grandkids about the excitement of your youth, rebooting Windows Nov 27 02:41:59 Alison_Chaiken: :) Unfortunately it is a bit far . But may is far to, so maybe if my minister of finance is agree Nov 27 02:42:27 san francisco for holliday is not bad :) Nov 27 02:42:55 btw, i checked the windows drivers, confirmed that it's the same accelerometer as in thinkpads Nov 27 02:54:14 cat /proc/bus/usb/devices Nov 27 02:54:17 sorry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 27 02:59:58 2010