**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 27 02:59:58 2010 Nov 27 03:37:31 great, it doesn't work anyway Nov 27 04:05:12 FINALLY Nov 27 04:06:44 this is pretty nifty... i bet the animated tiles example isn't this smooth on maemo Nov 27 04:07:32 what what Nov 27 04:07:48 what did you get working ali1234 Nov 27 04:08:07 qt creator and c7 Nov 27 04:08:19 and this demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEVrwYAAUvU Nov 27 04:08:28 it's a lot smoother on the c7 than in that video Nov 27 04:09:07 btw, if you ever develop for symbian, reboot your phone after installing trk or it won't work Nov 27 04:09:15 the instructions do not mention this anywhere Nov 27 04:10:38 hmm this makes me want to install qt examples on the n900 just to compare Nov 27 04:10:39 how do you like c7 otherwise? Nov 27 04:10:49 i love the c7 Nov 27 04:10:54 best phone i ever had Nov 27 04:12:13 it's the only phone i have seen that can sync my ggogle mail, calendar, and contacts without failing spectacularly Nov 27 04:12:24 nice Nov 27 04:12:32 admittedly i never tried an android phone Nov 27 04:12:33 an e71 seems nice Nov 27 04:12:42 i like how symbian uses small screens Nov 27 04:13:01 there is no need for super high res on such a tiny screen Nov 27 04:13:07 yes Nov 27 04:13:10 it just needs more processing power to push pixels Nov 27 04:13:40 a pandora has the proper battery for portable surfing Nov 27 04:13:48 "the germans have to pay one way or another" Nov 27 04:13:56 lol Nov 27 04:14:10 this money debate in eu is too much :) Nov 27 04:14:45 i'd rather have 360x640 and perfect 60fps all the time, than high res and slow jerky animations Nov 27 04:15:16 the C7 battery lasts like 3 days with all the widgets going and email syncing over MfE Nov 27 04:16:17 and i don't miss the n900 resistive screen and keyboard at all, in fact i find them a pain to use now Nov 27 04:16:43 does the C7's OSK have arrow keys at least? Nov 27 04:17:10 it has left and right Nov 27 04:17:15 huh Nov 27 04:17:15 why would you want arrow keys? Nov 27 04:17:26 because using a capacitive screen to edit an e-mail is hell Nov 27 04:17:34 I tried doing it on an iPhone, drove me up a wall Nov 27 04:17:51 it's fine. try to get to the point when sending emails from phone :) Nov 27 04:18:36 the OSK basically fills the whole screen anyway, but you can just press to move to another part of the text Nov 27 04:18:54 I'll ignore the ridiculous sentiment, and just say that even correcting a typo was impossible without erasing the entire word and starting over Nov 27 04:19:41 i have had a couple of problems with typos interacting with the auto corrector Nov 27 04:19:44 left and right arrow keys would have helped, at the very least :) Nov 27 04:20:01 like, typo a word, auto correct fixes it wrong, now you have to erase the whole word instead of just 1 character Nov 27 04:21:41 i mostly use it for reading emails anyway, if i want to send a loooooong email i'll set down somewhere and get the netbook out Nov 27 05:30:20 when I use "build" to create a armv7l rpm with src.rpm on fedora 13 ,get this error:chroot: failed to run command `rpm': Exec format error Nov 27 05:30:37 anybody know it Nov 27 05:32:39 and the same commands on ubuntu10.04, it didn't Nov 27 06:08:59 I can't seem to use the meego sdk's mad tool to install a maemo target Nov 27 06:09:06 I'd like to do both Nov 27 06:09:25 fremantle-1030 (installable) Nov 27 06:09:52 When I try to install/create it says it cannot fetch the image Nov 27 06:10:38 fremantle-arm-sysroot-1030-slim.tar.gz' -- no such file. Nov 27 07:01:33 when I use "build" to create a armv7l rpm with src.rpm on fedora 13 ,get this error:chroot: failed to run command `rpm': Exec format error and the same commands on ubuntu10.04, it didn't anybody know it Nov 27 07:56:41 when I use "build" to create a armv7l rpm with src.rpm on fedora 13 ,get this error:chroot: failed to run command `rpm': Exec format error and the same commands on ubuntu10.04,it didn't ,anybody know it Nov 27 07:57:37 when I use "build" to create a armv7l rpm with src.rpm on fedora 13 ,get this error:chroot: failed to run command `rpm': Exec format error and the same commands on ubuntu10.04,it didn't anybody know it Nov 27 08:09:11 wintige: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment wintige Nov 27 08:09:30 http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment#Exec_format_error Nov 27 08:09:40 does that fix your problem? Nov 27 08:10:40 pupnik: yes, but I can not find this file(qemu-binfmt-misc.sh) anyway. Nov 27 08:12:31 pupnik: and I do not know whether it can do Nov 27 08:13:57 i don't know either Nov 27 08:14:12 maybe someone else knows Nov 27 08:14:38 hope someone Nov 27 08:16:05 wintige: "which rpm" Nov 27 08:16:16 you have rpm command installed? Nov 27 08:16:48 every armv7l rpms I tried Nov 27 08:17:33 pupnik: may be most of them Nov 27 08:17:39 did you pass --arch=armv7l to meego-image-creator ? Nov 27 08:18:17 pupnik: no ,I just want to build a rpm package with src.rpm file Nov 27 08:18:23 oh i get it Nov 27 08:19:41 would need to look at that build script Nov 27 08:20:30 pupnik: yes ,I saw it , but I could no t find why Nov 27 08:21:37 pupnik: i changed something in it ,and it can work on ubuntu10.04 normal Nov 27 08:22:41 pupnik: still the same problem under dedora13 Nov 27 08:24:26 i might say screw it and use .pnd pckages Nov 27 08:25:27 pupnik: what's mean? Nov 27 08:25:44 wintige: rpm -q -a | grep qemu Nov 27 08:25:53 http://pandorawiki.org/PND:FAQ Nov 27 08:26:55 Stskeeps: display : qemu-user-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-system-sparc-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-system-ppc-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-system-mips-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 meego-qemu-ia32-3-1.1.i386 qemu-img-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-arm-0.12.50+git18+71af3b1-1.2.i386 qemu-system-x86-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-system-arm-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-common-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-system-cris-0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 qemu-kvm-tools-0.12.5-1.f Nov 27 08:27:43 could you rpm -ql qemu-user ? Nov 27 08:27:47 and pastie.org it Nov 27 08:29:04 Stskeeps:rpm -ql qemu-user :/etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu /usr/bin/qemu-alpha /usr/bin/qemu-arm /usr/bin/qemu-armeb /usr/bin/qemu-cris /usr/bin/qemu-i386 /usr/bin/qemu-m68k /usr/bin/qemu-mips /usr/bin/qemu-mipsel /usr/bin/qemu-ppc /usr/bin/qemu-ppc64 /usr/bin/qemu-ppc64abi32 /usr/bin/qemu-sh4 /usr/bin/qemu-sh4eb /usr/bin/qemu-sparc /usr/bin/qemu-sparc32plus /usr/bin/qemu-sparc64 /usr/bin/qemu-x86_64 Nov 27 08:29:25 looks ok, could you /etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu start and try again? Nov 27 08:31:01 Stskeeps: I will try Nov 27 08:35:21 Stskeeps: no change Nov 27 08:36:22 wintige: hmm, curious - could you pastie.org the contents of /etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu ? Nov 27 08:37:07 that means not paste to the channel, but to http://pastie.org Nov 27 08:40:08 Stskeeps: I am sorry that I can not go to http://pastie.org because of network.. Nov 27 08:40:41 ah, how about pastebin.mozilla.org ? Nov 27 08:41:12 yes Nov 27 08:43:33 you mean I paste the result of command :/etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu to the web? Nov 27 08:46:13 Stskeeps:ok, i have sent it Nov 27 08:46:50 Stskeeps:http://pastebin.mozilla.org/867467 Nov 27 08:58:43 that should really set it up correctly Nov 27 08:59:20 alternatively consider http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS Nov 27 08:59:37 ooo Nov 27 09:01:06 thank you wonderful draft Nov 27 09:01:27 it seems helpful ,but now I want to build the rpm without obs. Nov 27 09:01:55 Stskeeps: Good afternoon Stskeeps Nov 27 09:01:58 wintige: does /usr/bin/qemu-arm exist inside the chroot 'build' makes? Nov 27 09:02:03 Stskeeps: Did you ever meet a database issue when you delete an account with your API port on your local OBS? Nov 27 09:02:04 morning Fansy Nov 27 09:02:08 Fansy: hmm no Nov 27 09:02:19 Fansy: never had to delete one :) Nov 27 09:03:40 Stskeeps: It says "You sent an invalid request!" and failed to delete the user. Nov 27 09:03:50 Fansy: interesting Nov 27 09:04:00 Fansy: any specific db error? Nov 27 09:05:14 Stskeeps:/var/tmp/build-root/usr/bin/qemu-arm exist Nov 27 09:06:40 wintige: i don't have a good idea right now, - maybe SELinux is enabled? Nov 27 09:10:24 Stskeeps: hello, do you have some experience of including your own package to build a meego image? thank you!~ Nov 27 09:11:05 tyson_: it's easy - grab a .ks of your image, add the repository with 'repo' command and add your package in %packages section, run mic-image-creator :) Nov 27 09:11:35 thank you , find out anyway Nov 27 09:21:03 anybody know about local build rpm without obs Nov 27 09:22:19 wintige: could you ls -l /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc ? Nov 27 09:22:29 and paste it on pastebin.mozilla.org Nov 27 09:22:36 Stskeeps: yes, the process of including our package to build a meego image is easy..but some errors arise.. Nov 27 09:22:44 tyson_: could you paste your errors on pastebin.mozilla.org please? Nov 27 09:22:46 ok Nov 27 09:22:57 tyson_: is it ARM or X86 imag? Nov 27 09:22:58 e Nov 27 09:23:52 Stskeeps: i want to bulid ARM image. because i need it flash to N900 Nov 27 09:24:05 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/867484 Nov 27 09:24:32 wintige: yeah, that's probably why then. hmm Nov 27 09:25:10 wintige: did you run '/etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu start' as root? Nov 27 09:25:23 tyson_: ok - let me see the errors then :) Nov 27 09:25:39 and please include your full mic-image-creator line Nov 27 09:25:54 yes Nov 27 09:26:46 wintige: could you run '/etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu status' ? Nov 27 09:27:22 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/867485 Nov 27 09:27:31 Stskeeps:qemu binary format handlers are not registered Nov 27 09:27:42 seems bad Nov 27 09:28:20 wintige: and '/etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu start' output? Nov 27 09:28:22 tyson_: ah, i see Nov 27 09:28:22 sec Nov 27 09:28:43 Stskeeps:Registering binary handler for qemu applications Nov 27 09:29:01 wintige: any errors? Nov 27 09:29:29 no . Nov 27 09:29:31 tyson_: follow http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator , " Run MeeGo Image Creator " section and try to generate an image without your repo first Nov 27 09:29:46 wintige: manually do this: Nov 27 09:29:50 wintige: echo ":qemu-arm:M::\x7fELF\x01\x01\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x02\x00\x28\x00:\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\x00\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xfa\xff\xff\xff:$QEMU/qemu-arm:" > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register Nov 27 09:29:55 errr Nov 27 09:29:56 sec Nov 27 09:30:02 wintige: echo ":qemu-arm:M::\x7fELF\x01\x01\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x02\x00\x28\x00:\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\x00\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xfa\xff\xff\xff:/usr/bin/qemu-arm:" > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register Nov 27 09:30:06 that instead Nov 27 09:30:38 tyson_: when you successfully compile a 'raw' image, i will tell you how to make your own repo work - you're on the right path Nov 27 09:31:09 Stskeeps: i already did it.... Nov 27 09:31:43 tyson_: i didn't see any --arch=armv7l line in your paste, so you didnt do it well enough :) Nov 27 09:33:23 Stskeeps: follow http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator , i did it succeed. Nov 27 09:35:23 Stskeeps: i used this command:mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/Downloads/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks --format=raw --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache --arch=armv7l --run-mode=0 --save-kernel Nov 27 09:37:34 Stskeeps:you mean echo ":qemu-arm:M::\x7fELF\x01\x01\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x02\x00\x28\x00:\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\x00\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xff\xfa\xff\xff\xff:/usr/bin/qemu-arm:" > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register Nov 27 09:37:35 Stskeeps: and succeed.. the output is:Running scripts Your new image can be found here: /home/administrator/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1-1.1.20101125.0854-raw/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1-1.1.20101125.0854-mmcblk0p.raw /home/administrator/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1-1.1.20101125.0854-raw/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1-1.1.20101125.0854.xml /home/administrator/meego-hands Nov 27 09:39:33 Stskeeps:after that ,i tried again, and get the error. Nov 27 09:39:49 Stskeeps:after that ,i tried again, and get the same error. Nov 27 09:45:37 Stskeeps: i add the option --arch=armv7l this time. and the command like this:sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/my.ks --format=raw --mainrepo=myrepo --run-mode=0 --arch=armv7l Nov 27 09:46:28 Stskeeps: the errors arise..like this : Error: Given arch 'armv7l' is not found from the repositories. Nov 27 09:49:54 tyson_: ok, so, copy your meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks to 'my.ks' .. there is lines with 'repo' in them, add another line like repo --name=myrepo --baseurl=file:///home/administrator/myrepo ,, and in %packages , add your package and now run mic-image-creator --config=my.ks --format=raw --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache --arch=armv7l --run-mode=0 --save-kernel Nov 27 09:50:20 you shouldn't use --mainrepo Nov 27 09:52:03 wintige: ls -l /usr/bin/qemu-arm Nov 27 09:52:19 Stskeeps:/etc/rc.d/init.d/qemu status :qemu binary format handlers are registered. but still not work Nov 27 09:53:37 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 810892 Aug 12 22:36 /usr/bin/qemu-arm Nov 27 09:54:45 wintige: 'selinuxenabled || echo "not enabled"' gives what output? Nov 27 09:56:26 Stskeeps:'selinuxenabled || echo "not enabled"' bash: selinuxenabled || echo "not enabled": command not found Nov 27 09:56:36 wintige: without the quotes :) Nov 27 09:58:35 hello all Nov 27 09:58:57 Stskeeps: selinuxenabled || echo "not enabled" no output. Nov 27 09:59:15 wintige: setenforce 0 Nov 27 09:59:17 and try now Nov 27 09:59:23 I am trying to dual boot meego on n900.. I followed all the instructions given in http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#Installing_Rootfs_on_external_MMC_card Nov 27 09:59:35 but I get error boot.scr not found.. Nov 27 10:00:08 Stskeeps: i want to use the meego's package as my repo. so i download them to my repo. if do this succeed, i will add my packages to my repo. Nov 27 10:00:30 Stskeeps: what'mean? Nov 27 10:00:38 wintige: means 'disable selinux' Nov 27 10:01:06 tyson_: you want to add on top of the meego image, right Nov 27 10:01:19 mainrepo should almost never be used Nov 27 10:01:54 Stskeeps: and try again? Nov 27 10:01:59 wintige: yes Nov 27 10:03:20 Stskeeps: chroot: failed to run command `rpm': No such file or directory Nov 27 10:03:39 wintige: show me your 'build' command please Nov 27 10:03:46 and 'file /usr/bin/qemu-arm' Nov 27 10:04:26 build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/armv7l/packages/ --arch armv7l cpio-2.11-1.2.src.rpm Nov 27 10:04:44 Stskeeps: OK..thank you very much...and one question: i use the QT tool generate the package..such as helloworld application.. should i do this can build meego image succeed. because i don't know what styles of package can add to my repo. Nov 27 10:05:22 tyson_: you can add anything you like Nov 27 10:06:42 tyson_: as long as they're rpm packages, naturally ;) Nov 27 10:07:12 Stskeeps: seems that I cannot open /usr/bin/qemu-arm, it is binary file Nov 27 10:08:04 tyson_: yes, it should be - could you show output of the command 'file /usr/bin/qemu-arm'? Nov 27 10:08:11 file is a command :) Nov 27 10:09:24 er, i mean wintige: Nov 27 10:09:39 Stskeeps: yes, result:/usr/bin/qemu-arm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped Nov 27 10:10:04 wintige: ah, there's the problem :) Nov 27 10:10:13 wintige: it should be statically linked Nov 27 10:10:38 wintige: second Nov 27 10:11:50 Stskeeps: OK, because i found the meego.com's package is different with the QT generate's package..so i'm afriad if i add some wrong packages, maybe i can not build my own meego image. so....ah Nov 27 10:12:20 wintige: rpm -e qemu-user; rpm -i http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dl9pf:/qemu/Fedora_12/i386/qemu-devel-0.13git2010.06.24.1826-8.1.i386.rpm Nov 27 10:14:28 Stskeeps: you mean I should uninstall qemu? Nov 27 10:16:04 Stskeeps:the first command: error: Failed dependencies: qemu-user = 2:0.12.5-1.fc13 is needed by (installed) qemu-2:0.12.5-1.fc13.i686 Nov 27 10:16:55 wintige: yeah, let's just do that to get things working Nov 27 10:17:47 Stskeeps: excuse me, if i add the helloworld package to my repo..and succeed generate the raw image. and use the flasher3.5 to install it to N900, how can i look it in my N900? can i see the icon of the helloworld,and click it ,and then see the "hello world!~" Nov 27 10:18:20 tyson_: if the helloworld package has a .desktop file yes Nov 27 10:19:06 tyson_: and you would write the .raw image to a microSD card and load the kernel Nov 27 10:19:15 as in wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Nov 27 10:21:03 Stskeeps: I did it , try again? Nov 27 10:22:08 Stskeeps: yes. now my N900 installed the meego os. if i didn't do this. i certainly don't konw the falsher 3.5. ah Nov 27 10:22:44 Stskeeps: BTW, thank you very much ..Stskeeps.. Nov 27 10:23:09 wintige: yes Nov 27 10:23:25 Stskeeps: should I need to install qemu-arm, seems not exsit Nov 27 10:23:27 tyson_: no problem - consider making a wiki page on wiki.meego.com describing what you had to do Nov 27 10:23:46 wintige: /usr/bin/qemu-arm should exist now that you added qemu-devel with 'rpm -i http://'' Nov 27 10:24:00 tyson_: then we can point the next person with same problem to the wiki page :) Nov 27 10:24:59 Stskeeps: no, it not exsit. Nov 27 10:25:01 Stskeeps: How to do this, because i'm a meego fresh man.. sorry.. Nov 27 10:25:09 tyson_: do you have a meego.com account? Nov 27 10:25:32 wintige: did you run rpm -i http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dl9pf:/qemu/Fedora_12/i386/qemu-devel-0.13git2010.06.24.1826-8.1.i386.rpm Nov 27 10:25:35 ? Nov 27 10:25:47 Stskeeps: yes.. my email is xiqiubo@gmail.com... Nov 27 10:26:00 Stskeeps: I am on fedora13, is fedora12 ok? Nov 27 10:26:36 wintige: yes Nov 27 10:26:41 wintige: it's a static binary Nov 27 10:27:29 tyson_: you can go to http://wiki.meego.com/User:Tyson/Adding_a_package_to_a_MeeGo_Image and click "create", write a document with how you did it and then click 'save' :) Nov 27 10:27:40 tyson_: and in the future we can use what you wrote to help others Nov 27 10:27:52 Stskeeps: I did it twice ,but it still not exist Nov 27 10:27:59 wintige: that's a bit odd Nov 27 10:28:03 wintige: rpm -ql qemu-devel Nov 27 10:28:24 Stskeeps: OK , this like bolg..isn't it? Nov 27 10:28:30 Stskeeps: package qemu-devel is not installed Nov 27 10:28:33 tyson_: like wikipedia Nov 27 10:28:46 wintige: well, something went wrong when you ran 'rpm -i http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dl9pf:/qemu/Fedora_12/i386/qemu-devel-0.13git2010.06.24.1826-8.1.i386.rpm Nov 27 10:28:50 then Nov 27 10:28:52 could you tell me any errors it says? Nov 27 10:29:39 only a warning: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.Ttd1Ba: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 62b49fdb: NOKEY Nov 27 10:30:20 wintige: ok, then it should have installed it - rpm -ql qemu-devel doesn't say anything? Nov 27 10:32:32 Stskeeps:nothing but not installed , information: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/867512 Nov 27 10:33:17 next time when there's a bunch of output, don't say 'only a warning' :) Nov 27 10:33:20 rpm -e qemu-common Nov 27 10:34:31 Stskeeps:I am sorry. Nov 27 10:35:19 Stskeeps: OK, now i try to add helloworld package to my own image, if succeed , i will write the wikipedia. and could you tell me something about how to make a package with the desktop file..if i use the QT tool generate's package, it has not the desktop file. Nov 27 10:36:02 Stskeeps:it needed by many qemu-system- file Nov 27 10:36:39 Stskeeps:rpm -e anyway? Nov 27 10:51:15 Stskeeps:online? Nov 27 10:51:49 tyson_: uncertain of that part - you can probably run it from console Nov 27 10:52:12 wintige: yeah, just rpm -e the things blocking installation Nov 27 10:52:32 i'm online but was vacuuming my apartment :) Nov 27 10:57:46 Skskeeps:you are busy, now I run 'yum remove qemu*',and I can not install them Nov 27 10:59:09 Stskeeps:but this time , I run 'rpm -i 'http'' , just that warings Nov 27 11:00:05 Stskeeps:and it work normal now, Nov 27 11:00:28 Stskeeps:thank you very much Nov 27 11:01:32 no problem - could you add a section to http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment on how you had to fix it? and how to diagnose something was wrong ('file /usr/bin/qemu-arm') Nov 27 11:01:43 i'm off for now, bbl Nov 27 11:02:03 there's a 'Troubleshooting (ARM)' section it would fit great in Nov 27 11:02:08 hi (bry) Nov 27 11:03:28 Stskeeps:ok ,thanks again Nov 27 11:14:02 Stskeeps: excuse me, i don't know the package name i should write to the ks file..the QT generate's package name is helloworld-0.0.1-1.i586.rpm... i write the "helloworld" or "helloworld-0.0.1-1.i586.rpm" to the %package section? Nov 27 11:20:08 hey, can i remove the sliding transition effect that occurs when alt-tabbing Nov 27 11:20:09 ? Nov 27 11:20:26 lcuk_idea2: you dont like it? Nov 27 11:20:40 theplic, it does not match with the alt-tab order Nov 27 11:20:47 so when switching it makes my brain fritz Nov 27 11:20:47 lcuk: hi lcuk Nov 27 11:20:58 oh Nov 27 11:21:00 wut? Nov 27 11:21:04 Stskeeps: the error like this: Error: failed to create image : .....and i need leave now. maybe you can post email to me. my emali is xiqiubo@gmail.com. thank you very much. Nov 27 11:21:20 i just filed bug 10544 Nov 27 11:21:24 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Undecided, ---, tf, NEW, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications Nov 27 11:22:03 Hello, I setup a local obs, it can build meego packages. but obs have a problem, when I login as Admin and want to delete a user, error occurs. it says "You sent an invalid request!". any body know the problems? Nov 27 11:23:37 'God bless america' Nov 27 11:23:39 I hear this call in all circles. Military, Political, Financial and even Churches. But I say America bless God first. Make him proud to be an American then yes he will bless you as a nation. In your coming and in your going, in your dealings and in your negotiations yes I dare say even in your prosperity. But it is not a one way street. Should God reward us for our misdeeds, our greed and... Nov 27 11:23:41 ...our lack of mercy. We push our power around like a bully rather than a benefactor. I say let us show God what we want from him and not the other way around because we neither obey nor follow the lead we just goad that he favors us. Now let me show you when he blesses other nations so that you can see what you missed. As far as one nation under God you can kiss my ass. - Elijah Nov 27 11:24:48 was that a troll? Nov 27 11:25:05 No, trolls stay for the discussion. Nov 27 11:25:22 he appears to be a messenger from god Nov 27 11:25:37 it was additional training texts for irc bots :P Nov 27 11:25:39 haha maybe Nov 27 11:25:47 rauli: is that what one calls spammers these days? .p Nov 27 11:25:59 he certainly seemed to feel he was a messenger from God. Nov 27 11:27:39 any body know about the obs can solve my problem? Nov 27 11:28:11 kismeter, are you sure you are not trying to remotely delete a user Nov 27 11:30:00 lcuk_idea: you mean delete a user just available on local? Nov 27 11:30:15 jonnor: actually i think he was quoting the movie there will be blood Nov 27 11:30:49 kismeter, dunno, just asking a question that comes to mind Nov 27 11:31:21 lcuk_idea::P Nov 27 11:35:35 X-Fade:I setup a local obs, it can build meego packages. but obs have a problem, when I login as Admin and want to delete a user, error occurs. it says "You sent an invalid request!". can you give me some suggestion Nov 27 11:36:13 lwhen is meego coming out? Nov 27 11:36:38 davidjensenusa, which meego, many people are happily using certain variants Nov 27 11:36:54 * lcuk_idea is on meego atm Nov 27 11:38:16 wwhat are the variants? i assume this means tablet, car, smartphone? Nov 27 11:40:34 QQuit Nov 27 11:51:27 how are umts/3g modems supposed to work on meego? Nov 27 11:51:53 i've 2 which work perfectly on debian and ubuntu but don't do anything on meego? Nov 27 11:52:38 gebi, when ofono supports them, and MeeGo uses a version of ofono that supports them, ofono and connman should let you use 3G modems. Nov 27 11:52:55 With whatever network manager MeeGo Netbook uses Nov 27 11:53:17 connman Nov 27 11:53:52 and how? i've plugged in the 3G modem (even with disabled pin) and nothing comes up Nov 27 11:54:08 only the dmesg output that a new gsm modem was plugged in Nov 27 11:54:09 thiago_home, err... right. Nevermind me, going a bit delusional Nov 27 11:54:27 both modems should be supported by ofono, it's a huawei and a zte 180 Nov 27 11:54:39 zte even with disabled pin Nov 27 11:54:59 gebi, like I said, ofono doesn't support general USB 3G modems at the moment, and even if they have now implemented it, MeeGo isn't using a version that supports it Nov 27 11:55:29 to my knowledge. Nov 27 11:55:29 oh, didn't read that from your response sorry Nov 27 11:55:48 but du you _really_ say that a netbook distri like meego does not support 3g modems?? Nov 27 11:56:09 a netbook without internet is just a pice of crap, albeit light crap Nov 27 11:56:32 yes I _really_ said that. As evidenced by the words on your screen and the log in the log file, I said that Nov 27 11:56:36 At least for 1.1 Nov 27 11:56:44 it should work Nov 27 11:56:47 if it doesn't, it's a bug Nov 27 11:56:51 please file it so we can correct it Nov 27 11:56:59 oh, didn't even thought about that possibility, thx Nov 27 11:58:00 thiago_home: how should they work? (should be a real question) does the 3g modem come up as new connection under network? Nov 27 12:00:16 I don't know Nov 27 12:00:23 I don't have any modem to test with Nov 27 12:00:41 the only time I use a modem is when I plug my N900 to my laptop via USB and dial out Nov 27 12:01:51 oh? really? here in austria you get faster connection with umts than with wired internet, at least in the inner cities Nov 27 12:03:38 yeah, not gonna get 20 Mbit/s on UMTS... Nov 27 12:04:22 the office has a 34 Mbit/s and I live 15 minutes away Nov 27 12:04:43 the only time I use 3G is when I'm travelling and the conference place's Internet is horrible Nov 27 12:07:57 thiago_home: heh... Nov 27 12:09:13 here i get 3mbit with a 'up to' 20mbit dsl and live in the center of the city, umts has no problems getting to 5mbit Nov 27 12:21:15 NooBmonk3y, good morning \o Nov 27 12:21:35 Gooooood morning :) Nov 27 12:21:37 what delicious cakes is Mandy making today? *grin* Nov 27 12:22:50 hehe, she's at the bank talking mortages, not as fun as cake making :( Nov 27 12:24:50 NooBmonk3y, home making is important :P Nov 27 12:25:16 lol, she already has a house, wants another lol Nov 27 12:25:24 some people are just greedy :P Nov 27 12:25:34 one monkey not enough for her :P Nov 27 12:27:12 whos making cake? Nov 27 12:27:58 theplic, normally mrs NooBmonk3y Nov 27 12:28:04 ah Nov 27 12:28:11 i would like to eat her cake Nov 27 12:28:17 lol Nov 27 12:28:25 lol Nov 27 12:28:29 wait that did not come out as expected. Nov 27 12:28:42 theplic, it could have come out worse though Nov 27 12:29:03 yea Nov 27 12:36:01 am trying to install meego on n900.. I have uboot installed and I did "dd" raw image on mmc.. now where should I create boot.scr? Nov 27 12:37:43 kPb_in: just grab 'demo' image from tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php Nov 27 12:40:11 and that should help you easily Nov 27 12:40:59 Stskeeps: Ok.. Nov 27 12:56:49 is there any tweak to prevent meego from shutting down when I close the lid? mainly when I am charger Nov 27 13:04:54 laptop working with lid closed could be a hazard Nov 27 13:05:00 (heating) Nov 27 13:06:45 javispedro, closing the lid to move around the house is more of a hazard Nov 27 13:06:46 :P Nov 27 13:07:04 especially to sanity Nov 27 13:07:13 heh Nov 27 13:19:02 hi guys, do you know is there any HDMI lib can be use in Meego/Linux ? Nov 27 13:41:42 chuckgao: what do you mean HDMI lib? Nov 27 14:13:52 hi jonnor , sorry for reply late . I mean , just like Nokia N8 , they use a lib(maybe symbian or not) to implement HDMI tv-out Nov 27 14:14:35 Meego dosn't have yet, maybe in the furture will Nov 27 14:19:23 chuckgao, o_O is meego running on the N8 then to require HDMI out? Nov 27 14:27:45 no,it looks like the HW of the meego's device didn't support HDMI now .And for N8 ,symbian^3 support the feature Nov 27 14:28:32 i just find in Linux , ASLA seems have APIs to do this , but i'm not sure Nov 27 14:29:15 can meego be installed on n8? Nov 27 14:29:20 i am not even sure if generic tvout is working on the n900 handset actually Nov 27 14:31:21 chuckgao: HDMI video output is provided by the graphics drivers Nov 27 14:31:35 chuckgao: HDMI audio output is provided by audio drivers Nov 27 14:32:05 chuckgao, HDMI holograph output is provided by R2D2 Nov 27 14:33:02 @jonnor, so , how about N8's HDMI output , do you know how they do it ? Nov 27 14:33:32 chuckgao: thats symbian and probably also gfx drivers Nov 27 14:35:25 Stskeeps, the tvout mirroring on n900, low priority I know, but I see no bugs about it, do you happen to know where there is one? Nov 27 14:35:37 * lcuk_idea will file if not there yet Nov 27 14:36:40 lcuk_idea: we have a patch, just not upstreamed Nov 27 14:36:51 coolio! Nov 27 14:37:17 we just got it a day after our n900 talk Nov 27 14:37:24 has there been anything happening regarding a Meego port for the N8? Nov 27 14:37:31 sweet yeah Nov 27 14:37:32 hi Stskeeps , can we use the gfx drivers directly to make the output in both symbian and meego ?Or we should use some symbian C++ api ? Nov 27 14:37:46 i noted that the examples and demos were done using OHP like maemo2008 style lol Nov 27 14:37:56 chuckgao: do you mean as an application? Nov 27 14:38:05 yes Nov 27 14:38:12 something like that Nov 27 14:38:22 chuckgao, i would expect that driver sharing between symbian and meego would be not possible Nov 27 14:38:37 hi , do you Helix ? Nov 27 14:38:41 initial thing, does general linux support hdmi out? Nov 27 14:39:10 of course Nov 27 14:39:36 jonner, cool, i recall someone saying it didnt Nov 27 14:39:42 perhaps it was only one flavour Nov 27 14:40:23 chuckgao: in general, the application does not need to know anything about the output system to be displayed there Nov 27 14:42:14 so , you mean , the gfx driver will do it for us ? we just need to connect the phone and the tv ? Nov 27 14:42:22 haha bug 8873 Nov 27 14:42:26 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8873 enh, Medium, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, need a touch friendly file picker dialog for app development Nov 27 14:43:22 chuckgao: usually policy turns it on, but ye Nov 27 14:43:23 s Nov 27 14:43:46 chuckgao: yes typically, the graphics system handles it, and there is no reason it cannot be automatic Nov 27 14:44:49 however, if one want an application to *control* the video output alone, that would have to be solved differently Nov 27 14:45:28 on a handset and similar devices (which typically do not have a good concept of a multi-screen workspace) that might be wanted Nov 27 14:45:44 i have a question here , someone told me that there has 2 modes with HDMI output , one is called copy mode , and another i forget the name , do you know what does it mean? Nov 27 14:46:06 you mean "clone" versus "extend"? Nov 27 14:46:40 these are not really HMDI modes per se, more like the typical ways one would use a HDMI output in the graphics system Nov 27 14:46:49 maybe , i'm not sure . What's the differences between the two ? Nov 27 14:48:01 very roughly clone gives you the same image on the external output as on the primary screen, where as extend gives you an area which can display something different Nov 27 14:48:40 can the N900 be used for the extend case at all? Nov 27 14:49:16 I don't have a tv to test with, but I suspect not Nov 27 14:49:34 jonnor: with xv tricks i think Nov 27 14:50:35 well Nov 27 14:50:40 the N8 can be used for the Clone case, but how about the "extend" case ? Can N8 do that ? Nov 27 14:50:47 you could also setup another xorg server on the fb1 device :) Nov 27 14:50:56 dunno if you'd be able to use sgx to it. Nov 27 14:51:13 chuckgao: we do meego, we dont know anything about symbian :) Nov 27 14:51:58 jonnor: the stock N900 maemo already does it for the builtin media player Nov 27 14:52:01 yes , do you know how can we handle the mode? Nov 27 14:52:18 javispedro: really, that is nice Nov 27 14:52:40 I suspect future Meego devices to at least have feature parity with that then Nov 27 14:52:46 if i want a extend mode , how can i do that ? Nov 27 14:52:48