**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 02 02:59:58 2010 Dec 02 03:00:43 hey GeneralAntilles, are you lost? :p Dec 02 03:00:53 rowjelio: different timezones too. gets busier in here in about 3 hours, usually. Dec 02 03:02:32 npm: you should be able to invoke the Qt Mobility multimedia-module classes directly after building them + the backends for MeeGo (if that works). ie, those classes internally can use gstreamer to provide the functionality exposed through the API they offer. so, no you shouldn't need to use service framework to use the camerabin backend afaik. I might be wrong. Dec 02 03:03:08 maybe I'm misunderstanding your question, I dunno. Dec 02 03:03:09 I see that the windows SDK instructions were update today!!! Dec 02 03:03:14 i'm gonna give that a try!! Dec 02 03:07:01 hey leinir Dec 02 03:07:21 Texrat, installing a new router. Dec 02 03:07:37 and that brings you to #meego? Dec 02 03:07:39 somebody succeeded to build a package on own OBS? Dec 02 03:07:42 :D Dec 02 03:07:53 Makes me drop connections a lot. ;) Dec 02 03:08:14 I was talking about being here in the first place :P Dec 02 03:08:46 Oh, I'm always here. Dec 02 03:08:50 Are YOU lost? :P Dec 02 03:10:16 whoa hey texrat Dec 02 03:10:27 I am roger_27 from the maemo forums Dec 02 03:10:30 whoa hey rowjelio Dec 02 03:10:34 lol Dec 02 03:10:47 are you a developer by any chance? Dec 02 03:11:15 yeah, but not in the meego sense yet Dec 02 03:11:30 whoa what do you develop in? Dec 02 03:11:38 must I confess? Dec 02 03:11:46 * Texrat braces self Dec 02 03:11:52 visual basic Dec 02 03:12:45 whoa vb6 or vb.net? Dec 02 03:13:06 every version from vb2 up ;) Dec 02 03:13:19 whoa i'm a C# developer Dec 02 03:13:30 whoa and you admit to it Dec 02 03:13:40 :p Dec 02 03:13:47 I'm installing the meego SDK right now. I have been trying for days. but the instructions were JUST UPDATED. probably within hours. Dec 02 03:14:02 well I programmed in Java, VBs, C++, but I am quite happy with C# Dec 02 03:14:05 yeah I can't wait to find time to do some Qt work Dec 02 03:14:05 alot less worrying Dec 02 03:14:14 I also do SQL programming I guess. Dec 02 03:14:27 yeah I do a lot of SQL too Dec 02 03:14:30 more than stored procs. like functions and junk Dec 02 03:14:39 yeah Dec 02 03:14:42 I love SQL Dec 02 03:14:46 fun stuff Dec 02 03:15:25 this meego SDK forces you to choose ARM development, or X86 development Dec 02 03:15:28 I hate to choose Dec 02 03:15:45 stick with Qt sdk ;) Dec 02 03:15:59 well Meego SDK installs QT Creator Dec 02 03:16:20 http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows Dec 02 03:16:53 right, but Qt api is higher level than meego api Dec 02 03:17:20 stick with the Qt api, and you cover more platforms Dec 02 03:17:23 really? what SDK does one use for the QT API? Dec 02 03:18:01 still QT Creator? Dec 02 03:18:10 yes, Qt SDK Dec 02 03:18:40 I guess my problem is still the same anyways though. my problem I was having, which is what has been taking me days to make work, is getting the dam QEMU to work Dec 02 03:18:46 so that I may test said apps Dec 02 03:19:12 rowjelio: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/09/14/nokia-qt-sdk-101-released/ Dec 02 03:21:14 OIC! wow! Dec 02 03:21:55 can created apps work on an emu? Dec 02 03:22:02 and provide debugging? Dec 02 03:22:37 yowza! 925mb! Dec 02 03:22:56 rowjelio I beleive so Dec 02 03:23:02 have not got that far yet Dec 02 03:23:08 well my Texas Rat-like friend, you have been more help than enyone so far Dec 02 03:23:15 lol Dec 02 03:23:20 I didn't mean to! Dec 02 03:23:26 I have been going about this all wrong Dec 02 03:23:39 yeah, start off sticking to high level Dec 02 03:23:41 I really didn't know because I have no one to talk about this to Dec 02 03:23:47 I thought I was Dec 02 03:23:57 well, hang out on Qt forums Dec 02 03:23:59 I thought meego dev would have been something that runs on all meegos Dec 02 03:24:00 and Forum Nokia Dec 02 03:26:01 depends on how you define "meego dev" ;) Dec 02 03:26:06 ok I will download this and see what happens. I notice its the exact identical version of the QT creator. but that extra 900 MB must be some kind of OS image or something Dec 02 03:26:37 well, the page I linked lists the contents Dec 02 03:26:50 a lot of the package is samples and tutorials Dec 02 03:27:02 useful ones Dec 02 03:27:20 so meego will run QT 4.7? Dec 02 03:27:36 yes Dec 02 03:27:46 natively Dec 02 03:28:04 so what would be the purpose of Meego development? if there is QT 4.7 development? Dec 02 03:28:21 I'm so confused. lol Dec 02 03:29:00 yeah, I'm no expert, so I won't pretend to be Dec 02 03:29:27 hang out here enough, plenty of meego experts on now and then Dec 02 03:30:42 rowjelio: the Qt SDK consists of Qt Creator (IDE) plus Qt (pre-built libs, development header files, and presumably the full source too) plus Qt Mobility. Obviously there will be different versions. It also comes with the Simulator tooling to allow you to develop apps and debug them in a simulator. But it's not true platform emulation, I believe, it's merely simulation, so at some point you _need_ to test your app on the devices to which you're Dec 02 03:30:43 deploying. Dec 02 03:32:37 ah ok. so I think I get it, this url here http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows shows you how to get the meego SDK going, which is essentially QT creator and an n900 meego image Dec 02 03:33:03 and this url here http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html will let you download QT creator and a lite emulation ? Dec 02 03:33:31 but both get you to the same place, because in both cases you end up with QT creator ? Dec 02 03:33:45 Qt Creator is an IDE (a fantastic one). Dec 02 03:34:11 yeah Qt Creator is almost up to Visual Studio standards /me ducks Dec 02 03:34:18 it in and of itself, does nothing other than provide a nice editing, building and debugging environment, with integrated documentation/help and source repository integration. Dec 02 03:34:36 the SDK consists of Qt Creator PLUS the libraries and headers you need to actually develop applications. Dec 02 03:34:47 plus some other things like the simulator, etc. Dec 02 03:34:54 chriadm I know Qt natively supports Git, but is there a subversion plugin? Dec 02 03:34:54 and probably a few things which I'm forgetting. Dec 02 03:35:29 Texrat: I'm not sure tbh. I'd guess that there would be but I really don't know. Dec 02 03:58:02 chriadam, did you get yourself an ideapad Dec 02 03:58:09 (were you even at the conf) Dec 02 03:58:16 hi Texrat btw \o Dec 02 03:59:43 hey lcuk Dec 02 04:01:31 Texrat, have you tried qt-creator on your ip yet? Dec 02 04:02:33 yes Dec 02 04:04:03 Texrat, do you feel it uses the space optimally? Dec 02 04:05:07 lcuk I think it does the best it can Dec 02 04:05:36 Texrat, of course, it manages everything there Dec 02 04:06:09 * lcuk was actually wondering whether removing a few of the lesser used windows and tabs would help (obviously can be reenabled) Dec 02 04:06:31 lcuk you may have a point Dec 02 04:07:14 * lcuk just looking Dec 02 04:07:59 lcuk a touchscreen netbook optimized version of Qt creator could look very different Dec 02 04:08:13 hmm Texrat the codeeditor opens happily Dec 02 04:08:43 its just the .ui designer Dec 02 04:08:43 yeah Dec 02 04:08:56 I haven't even opened ui designer Dec 02 04:09:00 on mind i have a postage stamp preview and a toolbox taking up most space Dec 02 04:09:04 does it not work? greyed out for me Dec 02 04:09:06 oh, the code editor and tree is fine Dec 02 04:09:11 :) happy to edit stuff Dec 02 04:09:25 well I'm a visual developer... Dec 02 04:09:29 idk, i created a new project and started playing, walked through a gui one Dec 02 04:09:32 I need forms! buttons! Dec 02 04:09:32 * lcuk nods Dec 02 04:09:44 ui designer exists :) Dec 02 04:09:54 its just not very touchpad/touchscreen friendly! Dec 02 04:10:19 splitter bars! Dec 02 04:10:32 with a mouse you can gently get to right position and cusor changes Dec 02 04:10:36 and you grab and adjust Dec 02 04:10:51 with a touchscreen you look daft and curse trying to adjust it Dec 02 04:12:47 lol Dec 02 04:13:12 so i have the toolbox with all my widgets occupying 60% of my screen Dec 02 04:13:21 the preview of my actual form in a postage stamp Dec 02 04:13:28 surrounded by other postage stamps Dec 02 04:13:34 I have same problem with inkscape on ideapad Dec 02 04:14:02 getting apps to take advantage of meego on netbooks will take a while Dec 02 04:14:10 its not meego Dec 02 04:14:15 its touch in general Dec 02 04:14:20 ok, yeah Dec 02 04:14:26 this would be same on a windows 7 install Dec 02 04:14:35 true Dec 02 04:14:49 and just look at how symbian has struggled with touch Dec 02 04:15:06 * lcuk adores touch n type Dec 02 04:15:44 lets intuitive reach out and touch things whilst retaining proper keypad Dec 02 04:17:41 operating a little phone with 2 hands seems wrong Dec 02 04:17:55 berndhs, qwerty is awesome Dec 02 04:18:35 yeah, but I have normal size hands Dec 02 04:19:26 * lcuk has foam finger hands Dec 02 04:19:48 ebay, WHY Dec 02 04:19:54 it has used foam fingers for sale. Dec 02 04:20:05 lol Dec 02 04:20:34 hi, i'm trying to get usb gps device to show on meego running on qemu (1.1 handset sdk) Dec 02 04:20:46 but I'm not sure how to get usb passthrough working Dec 02 04:21:44 any tips are welcome Dec 02 04:21:44 I want a fake gps device on my desktop that gives a constant location Dec 02 04:22:13 berndhs, why constant? :) setup multiple and have indoor gps Dec 02 04:22:31 so I can run all the nifty location stuff Dec 02 04:22:49 the interesting part isn't always where you are yourself Dec 02 04:23:21 but I could randomize it I suppose Dec 02 04:23:24 berndhs, at a conference it is Dec 02 04:23:30 berndhs: i was thinking about perhaps recording an nmea ascii snippet and somehow figure out how to feed it as a tty device or something like that, don't have a clue yet though Dec 02 04:23:41 sure, when you're actually moving Dec 02 04:23:43 ask alterego Dec 02 04:24:11 he is writing a gps sharing deamon thing which exposes gps over serial Dec 02 04:24:25 I just need to figure out the bottom end of the QLocation parts Dec 02 04:24:42 bottom end? Dec 02 04:24:46 * lcuk should really try to put head back down Dec 02 04:25:08 the bottom layer that provides the data Dec 02 04:25:16 as in gypsy-daemon i would guess Dec 02 04:25:54 chuck norris is gonna become a texas ranger o_O Dec 02 04:26:17 watching old movies ? Dec 02 04:26:47 no berndhs on twitter Dec 02 04:26:53 ah Dec 02 04:27:04 the layering is like qtlocation -> geocluemaster -> geoclue-gypsy -> gypsy-daemon -> (device) Dec 02 04:27:11 NASA has a big reveal tomorrow about life in other places Dec 02 04:27:26 ah thanks juvuolle-l Dec 02 04:27:48 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/01/chuck-norris-to-become-honorary-texas-ranger/?hpt=T2 Dec 02 04:27:53 mmm berndhs linky? Dec 02 04:28:34 lost the NASA link Dec 02 04:28:52 but all of this won't matter, out overlords are finally here Dec 02 04:29:14 s/out/our/ Dec 02 04:29:14 berndhs meant: but all of this won't matter, our overlords are finally here Dec 02 04:29:46 http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html Dec 02 04:33:06 lcuk: nope, wasn't at the conf. did you? how're you liking it? ;-P Dec 02 04:34:24 chriadam, had a wonderful time at conf, eager to get handset ux on the tablet (but only after i can backup what is here for netbook, or install side by side Dec 02 04:34:50 nice :-) Dec 02 04:36:00 how do you do drag/drop with a touchpad? Dec 02 04:36:44 especially one that has no official working left mouse button clicker Dec 02 04:37:38 * lcuk gets a drink whilst pondering Dec 02 04:40:10 holy crap berndhs thanks for link Dec 02 04:40:23 that could be big! Dec 02 04:40:40 yeah, NASA will need $billions :) Dec 02 04:40:55 or, out worries might be over Dec 02 04:41:37 or just beginning Dec 02 04:41:41 ;) Dec 02 04:41:46 that too Dec 02 04:42:05 I believe Independence Day more than ET ;) Dec 02 04:53:29 howdy Dec 02 05:05:34 morning Dec 02 05:16:23 Hi, I am trying a QT mobilty Contacts example of meego handset image. Though i am able to add a contact using mobility api's it doesn't get listed under people app any reasons? Dec 02 05:25:39 sumanth: what does calling QContactManager::availableManagers() show? I suspect that you're saving contacts to the memory backend, which is provided for testing purposes only... Dec 02 05:28:02 I followed a meego wiki manual installing OBS 1.8 on a openSUSE 11.2 and seems like working but http://ip:82 is getting a 404 error.. anybody has a similar problem? Dec 02 05:36:13 Jun: replace "ip" with your actual ip address Dec 02 05:36:33 absolutely I did.. Dec 02 05:36:37 ah Dec 02 05:37:21 I haven't tried that one so that was the only thing I could come up :) Dec 02 05:37:45 I'm sure some1 here knows more Dec 02 05:37:48 lol thanks. Dec 02 05:38:11 so you made your OBS working? Dec 02 05:38:23 automatically building packages? Dec 02 05:38:40 once you upload rpms? Dec 02 05:38:47 I'm using the meego obs so I didn't need to set it up Dec 02 05:38:57 aha.. ok I see Dec 02 05:39:01 Hi am using Mobility Contacts example of MeeGo for handset image. With it i was able to add a contact but it doesn't seem to be getting saved persistantly? Any help Dec 02 05:40:05 sumanth_: sounds like a bug to me. Dec 02 05:42:28 Jun: I might be wrong, but should :82 show you the packages build on OBS? Dec 02 05:43:49 no, it's about repositories and the public OBS is showing something instead of the 404 error.. Dec 02 05:45:41 I thought that the packages built on OBS should be in that repository. And when you get something built on OBS they should show there instead on 404. Dec 02 05:46:19 At least as I remember we had something similar. Dec 02 05:47:13 Jun: You may check /etc/lighttpd/vhosts.d/obs.conf, is the document root correct? Dec 02 05:47:59 it's pointing /srv/obs/repos/ Dec 02 05:48:45 which is I'm not actually having.. Dec 02 05:48:50 you are right. Dec 02 05:49:30 ok, where is it supposed to go? Dec 02 05:50:02 Jun: So is your obs build getting any error not publish package into the repository? Dec 02 05:50:20 I guess that's exactly the problem Dec 02 05:51:06 I'm not sure if it's trying to do the 'publishing' but anyway I'm seeing the 404 error at http:/myip:82, and also when I click 'download repository' Dec 02 05:51:36 I guess I should modify the document root as you pointed.. Dec 02 05:52:01 ** also my obs is not building anything Dec 02 05:53:07 Jun: /srv/obs/repos is correct the default path. It may be created after you build something. (if the folder permission is okay.) Dec 02 05:53:24 hmm.. Dec 02 05:54:25 Jun: I guess 404 error is reasonable since it has package build yet. Dec 02 05:54:38 has *no* Dec 02 05:54:40 I would agree.. Dec 02 05:55:14 yes, I just checked that the /srv/obs and its all sub directories are made by root permission so not allowing a normal user account to modify them Dec 02 05:55:28 would it be the reason? Dec 02 05:56:15 Jun: the owner/group are both "obsrun" here on my obs. Dec 02 05:56:35 oops.. me too Dec 02 05:56:38 obsrun.. Dec 02 05:56:39 :( Dec 02 05:57:11 I'm doing this manual http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112 Dec 02 05:57:26 Jun: why not build something first? Dec 02 05:57:33 surely tried.. Dec 02 05:57:35 but not working Dec 02 05:57:49 the public obs is building one automatically but mine is not Dec 02 05:57:52 doing nothing Dec 02 05:58:27 Jun: do you have a obs worker running? Dec 02 05:58:31 yep Dec 02 05:58:45 according to the manual, I have one worker Dec 02 05:59:53 let me try the step 'Setup the Client' again... Dec 02 06:00:27 Jun: If it didn't build anything and the server status get not updating. I guess you may miss some steps, better to check the log, there are three pathes of obs logs for api/web/backend. Dec 02 06:01:29 in the /srv/obs/log? Dec 02 06:04:41 here is my obs start/stop script, you may check if something doesn't run correctly in your machine. http://pastebin.com/cUs0nYtN Dec 02 06:06:16 hey copyleft, I really appreciate your help. I'm gonna try the script Dec 02 06:06:29 Jun: Yeah that's logs for backend scripts, check api logs too at /srv/www/obs/api/log/ Dec 02 06:08:05 Jun: no problem. Just share some experiences. It did take me few days to make it run well ;p Dec 02 06:08:13 hmm.. many of /obs/log files are asking 'GET /build/_workerstatus?' Dec 02 06:08:24 I hope so ;; Dec 02 06:11:51 are there any connected TV live/qemu images available? Dec 02 06:12:01 Jun: I think you may start from using osc commend. To create a package and commit it. Then check the osc status and the log. Dec 02 06:12:44 *command* Dec 02 06:13:13 ok, I'm gonna try in that way Dec 02 06:13:47 hello i run update system there is 1 update wich is the kernel i tell it to install update it says update installed successfuly but even after reboot i run update system and there is the kernel update as if was never installed how to fix ? Dec 02 06:52:41 hi, this xephyr you have can this drive glx passthrough on nvidia drivers as well? Dec 02 07:27:50 the live image plays .ogv files but the qemu image does not seem to.. any reason why? Dec 02 07:33:56 never mind it works now Dec 02 08:23:35 I'm following this wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/MeeGo_Setup on my own OBS. but I stuck osc profile. "api.obs.maemo.org" needs account. how to getting that? Dec 02 08:24:07 cnsmin: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS might be more useful Dec 02 08:30:13 I added a meego core as a repository but my own obs is not building a rpm automatically. What can be wrong in this case? Dec 02 08:31:03 check scheduler status Dec 02 08:31:27 you mean 'Build Status' on the web interface? Dec 02 08:31:38 even I refresh it nothing showing up Dec 02 08:31:38 there's a status on the front page Dec 02 08:31:47 just 'No build result available' Dec 02 08:31:48 with traffic lights Dec 02 08:31:50 hmm.. Dec 02 08:35:28 On the original obs, how could I add any default target project such as Debian 5.0 or Ubuntu 10.10 ?? Dec 02 08:40:00 I found it at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_adding_build_targets Dec 02 09:13:40 oh no... I'm looking at the iStyles website again Dec 02 09:14:32 * Myrtti hides her credit card Dec 02 09:17:01 Moo, Myrtti Dec 02 09:17:53 morning Dec 02 09:19:19 how's it going? Dec 02 09:20:09 * Myrtti is listening to Rimsky-Korsakov Dec 02 09:34:46 Gaaah! Idiots. "MeeGo is now Dead, as a Mobile OS. http://t.co/ItdFkRS #Nokia #Meego #maemo" Dec 02 09:34:58 oh really? Dec 02 09:35:17 well, it's good to see the PR machine is waking up, they must be seeing us as a threat then ;) Dec 02 09:36:01 http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/12/01/nokia-meego-will-not-displace-symbian-as-enterprise-os-40091029/ the original article... Dec 02 09:36:14 hey. there's a button you can click that deems the post "Worthless" :D Dec 02 09:37:34 The article sounds like a Symbian guy saying that Symbian will not be displaced by Meego Dec 02 09:37:49 So, why is it a surprise? Dec 02 09:39:05 this was the one with the "Worthless" button: http://www.branedy.net/?p=2023 Dec 02 09:39:09 go click :) Dec 02 09:42:46 I think this: Dec 02 09:42:47 "It's very important to note that Symbian is the primary platform today and will also be the primary platform in the future," Nurmi said. Dec 02 09:42:52 Has been taken out of context Dec 02 09:43:12 I think Nurmi meant primary platform in the future FOR ENTERPRISE Dec 02 09:43:30 Nokia's enterprise customers at that Dec 02 09:43:43 I don't think anyone at Nokia has ever claimed that MeeGo/Maemo will be pushed to the enterprise devices Dec 02 09:44:01 then again, I've not had enough coffee today Dec 02 09:44:45 Myrtti: The only "official" statement I remember was that N-series will be using Meego Dec 02 09:44:53 RST38h: indeed Dec 02 09:45:01 Absolutely nothing about E, C, or X series though Dec 02 09:45:07 Myrtti, right, but I think whoever wrote this http://www.branedy.net/?p=2023 thought that the article meant that it's not a primary platform at all, where as I think the article was saying not a primary platform for Nokia enterprise customers Dec 02 09:45:53 Termana: "technology bloggers" are dime a bunch nowadays, so I am not sure why this particular one is so important Dec 02 09:46:14 RST38h, it's not. It's just the one being discussed :p Dec 02 09:46:15 I've never even heard of him, which is why I looked up the original article he was referencing to Dec 02 09:46:48 Termana: Maybe I should start a blog spelling corporate doom for Nokia, etcon on daily basis Dec 02 09:46:54 There was another blogger who was obviously on crack that thought everyone thought that MeeGo was doomed Dec 02 09:46:57 RST38h, Myrtti, I fully expect Symbian to live on as the platform of choice for most of the feature phones Nokia makes over the next 5 years Dec 02 09:47:26 Termana: And add it to the Planet news roll, just to seed it with controversy and butthurt =) Dec 02 09:47:28 Termana, He mistook developer modesty & pessimism for institutional pessimism Dec 02 09:47:59 Termana, Developers are low-key - especially when you're talking to them about their work Dec 02 09:48:01 dneary: it's easy to do that with a inherently Finnish company Dec 02 09:48:02 no. feature phones run S40 Dec 02 09:48:17 Termana: Oh, wait, we already have Eldar Murtazin doing just that =)~ Dec 02 09:48:48 Termana, And... developers have a micro view of the situation - "my current project is late, lots of issues with the library we depend on, redeveloping in Qt is taking longer than we expected, etc, etc" Dec 02 09:49:00 ali1234, Isn't S40 a Symbian platform? Dec 02 09:49:05 no Dec 02 09:49:27 My mistake Dec 02 09:49:33 nope, S40 is a evolvement of NokiaOS Dec 02 09:49:53 or atleast the inheritor of the efforts Dec 02 09:50:08 And NokiaOS == S30? Dec 02 09:50:31 if only all Nokia phones would work with the reliability of S40 Dec 02 09:50:57 Ah, wow - S40 is running on the Vertu phones Dec 02 09:51:18 I would have assumed S60. Dec 02 09:51:28 I switched from S40 phone to s60v3 phone and the disappointment was audible for years Dec 02 09:51:40 hold on, it's still audible because I'm complaining about it even now Dec 02 09:51:54 s60v3 was crap but it wasn't unreliable Dec 02 09:52:11 compared with eg maemo, it was bullet proof Dec 02 09:52:32 ali1234: for a linux user the difference was very very noticeable Dec 02 09:52:41 ali1234, I had an S60 phone for a while, the N82 Dec 02 09:53:08 ali1234, I was really happy to move off that platform... Dec 02 09:53:32 ali1234, Have to agree on stability v Maemo Dec 02 09:53:45 but general niceness v Android, it doesn't compare Dec 02 09:53:54 I could send SMS with Linux desktop connected to a S40 phone via bluetooth, could backup my SMS, check my calendar, contacts etc. none of that worked in s60v3. Dec 02 09:54:38 could make playlists and transfer music easily Dec 02 09:55:09 ali1234, Anyway - would you not expect S60 to move to being the feature phone OS of choice as feature phones get more & more powerful? Dec 02 09:57:41 Now - trivia question: can anyone tell me why S60 went from v3 to v5, and why the old Nokia OS platform went from Nokia 3000 to Nokia 5000? Dec 02 09:58:59 anything to do with number 4 and orientals' superstition? Dec 02 09:59:13 apart from the obvious that larger numbers are more impressive? Dec 02 10:00:39 dneary: S60v4 was a crazy japanese version not used anywhere else Dec 02 10:00:50 ali1234, Ah? Dec 02 10:01:00 I thoughht it was because 4 is an unlucky number in Asia Dec 02 10:01:11 What Bostik said Dec 02 10:01:15 it's double crazy to make a version only for the japanese and call that v4 Dec 02 10:01:45 basically S60 is the kernel and the v3, v4, v5 is just the GUI Dec 02 10:01:47 I was just in Korea a couple of weeks ago, and wondered why there was no 4th floor Dec 02 10:02:04 now when symbian was "open" the parts were developed by different people Dec 02 10:02:14 the v4 UI was developed by the japanese for the japanese Dec 02 10:02:16 You'd wonder why they went with S40 though, if quadrophobia was the reason... Dec 02 10:02:45 now that symbian is 100% nokia, they rolled the kernel and Ui stuff into one big platform and called it symbian^3 Dec 02 10:02:54 S60e4 never existed, the character for "4" meaning "death" in Chinese Dec 02 10:03:03 Or something of a kind, anyway Dec 02 10:04:33 maybe i am thinking of symbian^2 Dec 02 10:05:55 ali1234, Yeah, this documents S60 3rd edition (feature pack 2) and S60 5th edition (corresponds to Symbian^1) Dec 02 10:05:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_60 Dec 02 10:06:29 the whole confusing mess of different symbian version numbers is a big obstacle to developers, i think Dec 02 10:06:34 woah woah woah what's this Dec 02 10:06:42 Symbian more stable than Maemo? Dec 02 10:06:46 hell yes Dec 02 10:06:47 I never had Maemo crash Dec 02 10:06:55 funny, i've seen it crash man times Dec 02 10:07:02 and when it is not crashing it is freezing up Dec 02 10:07:15 and when it is not freezing, it is just taking half an hour to open the package manager or something Dec 02 10:07:16 I'll admit, it was definitely jerky sometimes Dec 02 10:07:16 Yeah - S60 v5 == Symbian^1 == Symbian OS 9.4 (ironically enough) Dec 02 10:07:40 ali1234, you should install Fapman Dec 02 10:07:43 Termana, You never had crashes? Or things like sync4exchange freezing up? Dec 02 10:07:50 well yes, the built-in package manager is nothing short of glacial Dec 02 10:08:45 then there's the browser choice... whoever decided to put mozilla engine instead of webkit should be fired Dec 02 10:08:57 mozilla is too slow for most desktop computers let alone a mobile phone Dec 02 10:09:19 Mozilla is just fine on any desktop computer I have got Dec 02 10:10:04 ali1234, mozilla...seems fine on my netbook.faster than chrome anyway..doesn't that use webkit? Dec 02 10:10:08 Secondly, Mozilla is not the same thing as Gecko rendering engine, which works reasonably good on Maemo Dec 02 10:10:29 dneary, nope, nothing crashed for me. Dec 02 10:10:31 ali1234, I thought they were looking to keep fennec on mobile devices Dec 02 10:10:40 sorry, but the maemo browser is terrible, it only *seems* fast when you compare it to the package manager Dec 02 10:11:00 ali1234: it's better than what the opera engine was on 770 Dec 02 10:11:13 And, finally, if you do not like Gecko so much, get Webkit-based Tear browser and see if it is any better (my guess would be "not") Dec 02 10:11:21 it's better than pocket ie on windows mobile 5 as well, but that isn't saying much Dec 02 10:11:27 dneary, the only problems I had was 1) jerkiness sometimes, 2) mine is now forever stuck at the dots - but that's not a Maemo problem Dec 02 10:12:04 Also I agree with ali1234 - I don't like Gecko-based browsers Dec 02 10:12:13 then there's the dodgy touchscreen issue Dec 02 10:12:29 you know, when you press an icon, and the n900 vibrates, so you know it detected the press... but nothing else happens Dec 02 10:13:13 ali1234, I never had that. Although my (N900's!!) vibrator seemed to not work as well after a while Dec 02 10:13:21 Termana: Get Tear. Try using it. Dec 02 10:13:40 Termana: If it is really much faster, come back and boast Dec 02 10:15:33 RST38h, I have to wait until I get a new N900 to be trying anything. But the last I heard Tear didn't work too well on Maemo 5 Dec 02 10:16:35 Any body out there on netbooks still having trouble getting cheese to work.webcam works fine in skype but not cheese Dec 02 10:18:49 Seems to be really problamatic in meego 1.1. opens and then crashes..is there anywhere I can check an error log? Dec 02 10:20:39 AndyBleaden, /var/log? Or you could try starting it from a terminal and see if it outputs the crash error there Dec 02 10:25:30 Termana: And I am sure it did not work for exactly the same reasons as MicroB Dec 02 10:26:06 Termana: Which is 1) low available RAM and 2) swap-on-mmc performance Dec 02 10:27:13 Termana: [btw, same problems are going to hit Meego, so somebody at Nokia better be looking at solving them] Dec 02 10:28:51 I don't think that's the problem with MicroB on the N900 at all. I have a problem with the way Gecko renders and loads pages Dec 02 10:29:20 That is mostly personal. I do not like how Webkit renders pages (namely, TheRegister) either Dec 02 10:33:40 RST38h, in regards to loading, WebKit gives a faster feel to it, it seems like it starts loading the page quicker and instead of waiting to show parts of the page it will immediately start showing them, where as Gecko seems to take a while to start loading and then seems to go and load it all in fragments Dec 02 10:34:07 But I guess like you said, mostly personal Dec 02 10:34:23 That doesn't make it annoy me any less though :p Dec 02 10:52:05 morning Dec 02 10:52:18 morning sivang Dec 02 10:52:45 morn Dec 02 10:53:51 myyh Dec 02 11:23:50 do we have lbt or x-fade now?? Dec 02 12:29:33 how can I export a QT application to a rpm repo to be used in the creation of some Meego image? Dec 02 13:00:21 Hi all. Does anyone know if QtWebkit is _intentionally_ missing from the armv7l target? Dec 02 13:00:30 sturvey: on repo.meego.com? Dec 02 13:00:50 Stskeeps: from wherever mad-admin slurps it. Dec 02 13:01:18 looks like qtwebkit is failing on armv7l Dec 02 13:01:41 Stskeeps: Do you have a bug link? Dec 02 13:01:48 fabo: ^ Dec 02 13:02:55 sturvey: we're currently working on some qemu improvements/speedrpm and i think this particular build error will be fixed with those Dec 02 13:03:04 + /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh --strict-build-id /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/qtwebkit-2.1-week38-source Dec 02 13:03:07 extracting debug info from /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/qtwebkit-2.1~week38-1.1.arm/usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so.4.8.0 Dec 02 13:03:10 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped Dec 02 13:03:13 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1GY2VG (%install) Dec 02 13:03:23 sturvey: as we will be stripping debuginfo using x86 binaries instead Dec 02 13:04:07 i'll file a bug to track Dec 02 13:05:06 bug 10819 Dec 02 13:05:09 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10819 cri, Undecided, ---, fathi.boudra, NEW, qtwebkit fails to build for ARM Dec 02 13:05:44 fails to build? Dec 02 13:05:48 well Dec 02 13:05:49 ok Dec 02 13:05:52 "fails to extract debuginfo" Dec 02 13:05:59 ah Dec 02 13:06:02 probably runs out of memory Dec 02 13:08:55 Stskeeps: Thanks! Explains that then :) Dec 02 13:10:21 dl torlRNsdk Dec 02 13:13:52 Hello everyone Dec 02 13:13:56 I'm new to here Dec 02 13:14:56 saga64: welcome Dec 02 13:15:39 got a question, my meego emulator is very slow on my Windows platform, I'm using Window 7 32-bit, 2.0 Dual Core, 4GB Ram, nvidia 8400GT graphic card, any idea? Dec 02 13:29:32 saga64: Windows didn't have a qemu with acceleration when the sdk was released Dec 02 13:29:53 anyone know when is 1.1.1 due ? before Xmas ? Dec 02 13:29:56 a demo was shown at meego conf of fresh code showing it working, so perhaps an update will come out sooner rather than later Dec 02 13:30:21 odin_: already out since friday Dec 02 13:32:07 ooo.. can I zypper update to it ? zypper ?????? -t product "MeeGo release" ?? Dec 02 13:32:26 thanks for you help Dec 02 13:32:31 I will try linux then Dec 02 13:32:35 :D Dec 02 13:34:16 saga64: it's not going to work under linux for you either Dec 02 13:34:36 under linux, you need Intel graphics for it to be accelerated Dec 02 13:35:15 lbt_: Apparently I need to contact you for access to OBS? Dec 02 13:36:15 sturvey: yep - what are you planning to do on there ? Dec 02 13:37:36 I see the image http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img (just downloading to compare format to the MeeGo USB stick, that I should not have) but no 1.1.1 Dec 02 13:38:01 yeah, for some strange reason they dont' do update images Dec 02 13:38:05 i'm not entirely sure why Dec 02 13:38:47 so do I make my own or something? also why *.img and not *.img.bz2 ? Dec 02 13:39:07 odin_: it's already bzipped inside Dec 02 13:39:42 it's an iso with 2 squashfs images with a bzipped ext2 or something equally bizzare Dec 02 13:40:30 lbt: How do I go private message on this thing? Dec 02 13:40:44 sturvey: no need ... just talk :) Dec 02 13:40:50 http://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/ in the non-obvious place (the parent page /downloads/releases/, really should say, "This is not current, for latest goto ./updates/" at the top) Dec 02 13:41:06 lbt: Can't ;-) Dec 02 13:41:07 community obs is for open source anyway, so no shame in talking about it publically ;) Dec 02 13:41:23 sturvey: so you probably can't use it then :) Dec 02 13:41:26 sturvey: do you mean build.meego.com or community obs? Dec 02 13:41:53 Stskeeps: Not sure. I suppose I need more information on what the diff is. Dec 02 13:42:08 lbt: Can you go online on Communicator? Dec 02 13:42:12 sturvey: https://build.pub.meego.com/ Dec 02 13:42:24 could someone redirect Gizmokid to ##fix_your_connection? Dec 02 13:42:42 sturvey: so... who are you if you don't mind me asking Dec 02 13:42:58 sturvey: build.meego.com is the place the meego project is being developed, which is also kinda for open source projects, no secrets there :) Dec 02 13:43:02 lbt: Simon Turvey. Nokia Advanced Development. Dec 02 13:43:13 build.pub.meego.com is for everyone, hosting open source Dec 02 13:43:32 for app development, etc Dec 02 13:43:34 sturvey: OK ... will contact you Dec 02 13:43:43 lbt: Thanks Dec 02 13:43:56 sturvey: did you get a priv msg Dec 02 13:44:08 hmm... the web pages look like announcements, I have done "zypper update" and a new kernel and maybe 10 to 15 things got updated.. is this 1.1.1 ? as /etc/issue still claims 1.1 Dec 02 13:44:32 is it possible to link to the community OBS (like with the opensuse one) and then develop closed apps on your private instance? Dec 02 13:44:43 ali1234: it's possible to link to meego.com obs now too, as well Dec 02 13:45:09 oh really? ok then... Dec 02 13:45:10 according to anas's talk, at least Dec 02 13:45:54 are there any plans to restart armv4 stuff? Dec 02 13:46:07 oh! oh! oh! Dec 02 13:46:43 also the delta-rpm features didn't seem to work, in that update process, like the repo is broken, so it downloaded a *.drpm then failed, then the full *.rpm and succeeded Dec 02 13:46:59 ali1234: armv5 it was, and not afaik Dec 02 13:47:14 ok, armv5 is actually closer to my hardware Dec 02 13:47:21 what target do you have? Dec 02 13:47:26 omap850 Dec 02 13:47:38 i know someone who wants to package android for debian Dec 02 13:47:50 then i told him about OBS, he was interested Dec 02 13:47:57 android for debian Dec 02 13:47:59 that's novel Dec 02 13:48:18 he already packaged it for openembedded Dec 02 13:48:23 ali1234: hopefully he'll do better than the ubuntu guy who did the same and got moral quibbles and never published the code.. Dec 02 13:48:34 which ubuntu guy was this? Dec 02 13:49:03 the code is already available anyway... but the trouble is openembedded is pretty horrible for distributed development Dec 02 13:49:06 http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/ Dec 02 13:49:36 that's a bit different project Dec 02 13:50:01 the stuff i am talking about is android running on a real phone Dec 02 13:50:15 but instead of the tiny cut down init that they use, having a full distro underneath it Dec 02 13:50:40 well, same principle Dec 02 13:50:46 that's android on top of glibc Dec 02 13:51:05 in general yes Dec 02 13:51:20 anyway i suggested OBS and meego core instead of debian and whatever build system they use Dec 02 13:51:24 It's also a waste of time. Dec 02 13:51:26 Oh I'm sorry did I say that out loud? :p Dec 02 13:52:16 zypper update meego-release: ... No update candidate for 'meego-release-1.1-2.1.noarch'. The highest available version is already installed. Dec 02 13:52:23 * odin_ sigh Dec 02 13:52:44 odin_: i'm not sure how their updates repos work Dec 02 13:52:46 maybe you add them Dec 02 13:53:16 I have a repo called "11 | updates-core | updates-core | Enabled=Yes | RefreshNo" Dec 02 13:53:39 it all looks like it should just work Dec 02 13:55:18 ah.. /etc/zypp/repos.d/* have .../1.1/..... in the URLs, maybe there should be a meta-package installable on 1.1 which adds the repos for 1.1.1 ? Dec 02 13:56:11 anyhow the .../1.1.1/... version of the URLs does not exist anyways Dec 02 14:07:42 arfoll: ping Dec 02 14:09:17 anyone able to point me to the git repo for moblin-panel-web for 1.0.5? Dec 02 14:09:31 I have a "project" on my "home" (https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Afcrochik) and would like to make the packages available. How can I use it as a repository? Dec 02 14:09:58 thiago: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/02/rim-buys-tat-blackberry-ui-in-danger-of-becoming-awesome/ , well, that explains why TAT cancelled Dec 02 14:51:25 http://hggadgets.blogspot.com/2010/02/lenovo-s10-3t-3g-sim-card-ready.html anyone know what the two modules are... the left green/brown and left-centre turquoise (one is RAM and the other ???) Dec 02 14:58:45 fcrochik, ping Dec 02 15:05:51 Anybody knows how to mix audio and video use Qt Mobility(seems can not) or other Qt function? Dec 02 15:09:19 arfoll: hi.... I was going to ask you about the obs repository path but lbt answered me already.... Dec 02 15:09:36 fcrochik, good Dec 02 15:09:43 glad you got it on there Dec 02 15:11:07 arfoll: I still haven't had a chance to try it... Dec 02 15:36:54 Stskeeps: interesting Dec 02 15:37:25 Stskeeps: TAT is good Dec 02 15:38:18 I was going to say that this might explain why they pulled out of MeeGo Conf, but knowing acquisitions (having been through one), they don't let an unannounced acquisition change the plans Dec 02 15:38:50 * niala_ ah!ah! No device configuration set for run configuration. Dec 02 16:01:31 http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_9803.html << might be meego compatable Dec 02 16:02:39 any ideas why lenovo won't bootup, I have created and rsynced rootfs to another partition, both BTRFS, the bootup on new root appears to work (and get past mounting root) but then a second pause and "Restarting System" Dec 02 16:04:03 this is just after setting up Broadcom USB device (the next thing in a normal bootup is input device setup), is there something special I need to change inside the new root (when no initrd is being used?) I have modified /etc/fstab Dec 02 16:05:15 maybe I rip HDD out and partition on another machine :) Dec 02 17:09:59 so , in dublin there were a bunch of nice peopel from Nokia bangaloe, are any of you around here? I would like to keep contact but some notes lost, and some names forgotten due to bad memory. I waited with some of you for the bus to the storehouse while it got raining Dec 02 17:10:57 *bangalore Dec 02 17:11:17 privmsg me if this rings a bell. Dec 02 17:19:18 ssh can't connect to qemu madde Dec 02 17:19:50 s/got/started/ Dec 02 17:19:56 is the virtual network NAT or bridge? Dec 02 17:21:00 ah!ah! CosmoHill ... euh nmap tell me ports 6666 and 13219 are open on localhost Dec 02 17:21:14 isn't 6666 freenode? Dec 02 17:21:40 ahhhh Dec 02 17:37:05 CosmoHill, note always read the doc until the end Dec 02 17:37:24 :) Dec 02 17:37:39 from experience most people don't read it from the start Dec 02 17:38:14 LFs is about 12 chapters, most people start at chapter 3 ~ 5 and get stuff at chapter 5.4 Dec 02 17:38:16 true and i diagonally Dec 02 17:38:18 stuck* Dec 02 17:44:55 Stskeeps: hey, you might know this. I'm digging though meego handset and I'm having trouble figuring what phonesim is. any pointers? Dec 02 17:47:26 CosmoHill, :( now i have no pretext to not develop Dec 02 17:47:44 cool, I have a lot of testing to do :( Dec 02 17:48:12 robtaylor: it emulates a working 3G connection so you can test dialer applications Dec 02 17:48:29 nice Dec 02 17:49:35 auke: oh, sweet Dec 02 17:49:53 auke: does it live on gitorious? Dec 02 17:50:55 how to choose the resolution for an application for handset? Dec 02 17:51:06 robtaylor: probably, yes Dec 02 17:51:13 niala: dual screen ftw :) Dec 02 17:51:18 just take a look on meego.gitorious.org Dec 02 17:52:13 auke: i ask, as I've had a good look and couldn't find it ;) Dec 02 17:59:25 what is the n900 resolution ? Dec 02 17:59:53 800x480 ? Dec 02 18:00:29 thanks. google did not have my click :) Dec 02 18:07:00 robtaylor: interesting, seems I can't find it either :) Dec 02 18:09:14 auke: glad i'm not alone ;) Dec 02 18:13:34 is it possible to build autoconf based packages to armv7l? Dec 02 18:14:29 Tormis: yes, consider using OBS for arm stuff Dec 02 18:15:26 okay, mad was lacking autotools at least, or I did something wrong Dec 02 18:22:18 Tormis: well, MADDE is really mostly for meego API applications, not platform apis Dec 02 18:25:33 Stskeeps: thanks, so continuing with OBS Dec 02 18:27:58 /clear Dec 02 18:28:39 MeeGoExperts: thats an aava, nothing terribly interesting nor surprising :) Dec 02 18:28:48 and calling it a phone might be a far stretch considering modem support ;_ Dec 02 18:40:41 question: Dec 02 18:40:46 maemo has a version of xchat Dec 02 18:40:54 with modifications made to make it fit the screen and stuff Dec 02 18:41:24 * lcuk wonders whether this will work happier (and be configurable) on the netbook Dec 02 18:41:49 why don't you just try it and see? Dec 02 18:41:50 I built one for moblin, and use on ubuntu... it's fine Dec 02 18:42:03 not tried on meego but no reason to be different Dec 02 18:42:09 ali1234, cos i have flu Dec 02 18:42:22 be interesting to see how it handles notifications tho Dec 02 18:42:37 auke: ahha. I have had success - http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/phonesim.git Dec 02 18:42:58 typical modifications for maemo seem to be "hard code the UI to use a 5pt font" Dec 02 18:43:42 although that could be due to badly configured display DPI Dec 02 18:44:36 DPI is 96, I think. Dec 02 18:45:22 that would do it, since the true DPI is closer to 200 Dec 02 18:45:58 225 for N8x0 and ~260 for N900, I think. Dec 02 18:46:42 lcuk so yeah, if you want stuff to fit on your netbook screen, just abuse the X DPI setting, like everyone else does Dec 02 18:48:04 ali1234, false investment really, because just shrinking everything makes a non finger friendly ui even less fingerable. Dec 02 18:48:25 it may get over the initial issue, but clearer design and layout is preferable Dec 02 18:51:22 just one big button and map functions to the time domain :) Dec 02 18:51:54 thats one option Dec 02 18:52:37 macbook wheel anyone? Dec 02 19:16:08 evening RevdKathy Dec 02 19:16:18 Evening Stskeeps Dec 02 19:16:23 How's you? Dec 02 19:17:10 i'm good, relaxing on the couch and listening to tv programme in a language i don't understand Dec 02 19:17:46 * CosmoHill takes a little break whilst he noms dinner Dec 02 19:18:14 * Myrtti is watching the NASA press conference Dec 02 19:18:23 vlc http://www.nasa.gov/145590main_Digital_Media.asx Dec 02 19:18:40 you missed the good bits though Dec 02 19:19:48 please tell me its alien brain slugs Dec 02 19:19:49 :P Dec 02 19:20:18 alien shell casings would be worse :P Dec 02 19:20:35 No, It's arsenic based life. But we've had that round here for centuries Dec 02 19:21:05 ahh yes that was one of the theories on /. last night Dec 02 19:21:14 Myrtti: thanks Dec 02 19:21:31 the one detail I expect to read only later on is the geologists' guess how long that lake has been such a bed of poison Dec 02 19:21:57 that would then give a nice "known upper bound" to the time it takes for a replicating life-form to evolve Dec 02 19:22:30 I am still waiting for them to find life forms that can survive in my sons wash basket Dec 02 19:22:40 tho his socks could theoretically be counted as sentient Dec 02 19:22:43 I told we, we've been self-replicating arsenic based life here for 5 millenia or so Dec 02 19:22:48 lcuk: I can mail you mine, they're probably worse Dec 02 19:22:53 and I'm still waiting for anyone to discover intelligent life - anywhere Dec 02 19:23:00 Myrtti, you can mail toxic agents now? Dec 02 19:23:16 lcuk: the trick is to put something more sinister in the envelope Dec 02 19:23:17 next question: what about the rights of arsenic-based lifeforms Dec 02 19:23:18 :P Dec 02 19:23:41 Are they sentient? Dec 02 19:23:43 Feed 'em pasties and they'll dig tin for you without complaining Dec 02 19:24:00 you should never make out with a arsenic-based life form Dec 02 19:24:14 well, i would guess arsenic based life forms are dangerous for humans to ingest Dec 02 19:24:35 it would give them great hair tho Dec 02 19:26:19 I hope he doesn't just walk around with that in his front pocket Dec 02 19:27:00 By morning Ira figured out a solution. Selenium may be a poison to the nitrogen-based aliens as arsenic is to carbon-based life-forms, based on their similar positions in relation to each other on the periodic table. Dec 02 19:28:44 using the Evolution theory, we need polonium to kill these arsenic invaders! Dec 02 19:31:32 Why would we want to kill them? Arsenic is good stuff (mostly) Dec 02 19:32:10 [insert disaster movie case scenario] Dec 02 19:32:12 we wouldn't need to kill them, they'd melt at room temp Dec 02 19:33:06 hurrrrrr Dec 02 19:33:10 "sauna yoga" Dec 02 19:35:19 Oi be'nt be 'frit o' no arsenic critters. We'ms lived wi' arsenic all us loives. Dec 02 19:41:34 is it too early to start a new arsenic-based religion ? Dec 02 19:41:40 lbt, you can give me access to obs? Dec 02 19:41:47 I really have a suspicion that dinner consisting of a white chocolate orange isn't good enough while it most definitely gives the daily calorie intake Dec 02 19:50:06 Myrtto: orange is one of your five-a-day, no? Full of ACE vitamins! Nothing better for you. And chocolate is a bean - so that's a veg too Dec 02 19:51:00 chocolate is lacking in the salt food group, but its good for the sugar and fat groups Dec 02 19:51:23 pah! reframing a choc orange is cheating Dec 02 19:52:21 reframing? I just bought it. I prefer the popping candy one though Dec 02 19:52:41 Myrtti, dark chocolate is good for heart... Dec 02 19:53:15 iekku: alas I had none when I *needed* chocolate so I sneaked to the Christmas present stash and stole one Dec 02 19:53:27 Dark chocolate is high in iron, a natural anti-tussanant and a n anti-depressant Dec 02 19:53:28 NASA TV is riveting tonight Dec 02 19:53:39 fortunately BF is probably coming to Finland next week and will replace the eaten with a whole Dec 02 19:54:09 Myrtti, clever move! :D Dec 02 19:54:32 I haz the choc-fu! Dec 02 19:54:35 why I haven't think about that :x Dec 02 19:54:58 Is that what a BF is for? Providin g choc? Dec 02 19:55:29 boyfriend is playing guitar in the livingroom with his friend and I just want to go to sleep, but if I only had chocolate, things would be SO different Dec 02 19:55:30 RevdKathy: he is for providing junk that is expensive or difficult to get in Ultima Thule ;-) Dec 02 19:56:06 I've, for example, used him as a proxy for procuring an Eye-Fi SD card for a Christmas present for my sister Dec 02 19:56:22 Ahh.. I never found quite what they were for. I knew they must have a use. Dec 02 19:56:24 * Stskeeps is looking forward to be importing a suitcase full of liquorice from .fi. Dec 02 19:56:55 in the past he's been most helpful for purchasing heaps of cosmetics from the Bodyshop Christmas Factory sale Dec 02 19:57:01 :-> Dec 02 19:57:07 :o Dec 02 19:57:29 I know much better use for BF Dec 02 19:57:59 cooking etc Dec 02 19:58:00 iekku: so do I, but it's not past 10pm yet ;-) Dec 02 19:58:14 that why I'm calling him wife :D Dec 02 19:58:20 Does one need to acquire a BF somewhere where he can buy interesting gifts, then? Dec 02 19:58:33 RevdKathy, not me :o Dec 02 19:58:36 Been so long I forgot about that use for one. ;-) Dec 02 19:58:45 I will do buy him things, but... Dec 02 19:59:02 which reminds me that I've not played with my Viglen MPC-L for a while Dec 02 19:59:04 hmm, too tired to write english Dec 02 19:59:41 Wel,, someone to buy things for might be nice, too. Occasionally. But not chocolate Dec 02 19:59:57 why not chocolate? Dec 02 20:00:40 Too precious, thiago_home Dec 02 20:01:29 is it polite to say to BF stop playing guitar and go to bar, so I could go for a sleep? Dec 02 20:01:53 ooh, the Inspiron Duo UK price has been announced Dec 02 20:01:57 "Check out the new Inspiron Duo convertible tablet available to buy from today from £449." Dec 02 20:02:01 iekku, yes - how about leave him to play guitar and you go to the pub? Dec 02 20:02:10 that's cheaper than the lenovo...? Dec 02 20:02:20 Depends how close you are to BF. Done well, you could make him feel sufficiently guilty top bring you back gifts. Or you could just be honest Dec 02 20:02:33 lcuk, I have to wake up in mmm 8 hours, so.... Dec 02 20:02:42 iekku, time for a few Dec 02 20:02:59 iekku: "feck off, I need to sleep. kthxbai" Dec 02 20:03:14 :-P Dec 02 20:03:17 I like Myrtti's version Dec 02 20:03:19 RevdKathy, I said already that I'm tired :D Dec 02 20:03:29 Myrtti, he lives here also, so... :D Dec 02 20:03:39 iekku: not to sort to take a hint, then. Dec 02 20:03:51 iekku: pull the fuse from the fuse box then :-P Dec 02 20:04:01 Myrtti, you can play guitar in the dark. Dec 02 20:04:02 * Myrtti is full of good ideas tonight Dec 02 20:04:13 scissors and look at the guitar string Dec 02 20:04:14 s Dec 02 20:04:30 iekku: headphones so only he can hear the music? Dec 02 20:05:02 RevdKathy, there's 2 guitarist :D Dec 02 20:05:19 evening javispedro Dec 02 20:05:26 iekku: relax .... they could play the saxophone and trumpet Dec 02 20:05:31 iekku: earplugs for you, then. And turn the lights out Dec 02 20:05:38 maybe I just say after 30 min or so that boys, go to bar Dec 02 20:05:40 hi Stskeeps Dec 02 20:05:56 funny how annoying it's listen others practising Dec 02 20:06:00 (and everyone :) ) Dec 02 20:06:05 tomma: hey... sure... what are you planning to use it for (community OBS - right?) Dec 02 20:06:10 if here were 2 guys from my own band.... Dec 02 20:06:53 hmmm, maybe I show some own tricks? and just smash guitars to the floor? :D Dec 02 20:07:28 iekku: that might end you up single like me. :p Dec 02 20:07:32 goddammit I can't remember the IP of my viglen... Dec 02 20:08:36 i realized i know the IP my laptop has but not my own passport number. Dec 02 20:08:50 +of Dec 02 20:09:47 there's a long way down until that happens with your phone number :) Dec 02 20:10:12 umm, phone numbers easy to forget Dec 02 20:10:19 you don't call them yourself, do you? Dec 02 20:10:33 javispedro: try moving to another country and start remembering your own number.. Dec 02 20:10:45 lbt, yeah community obs... i will use it for my filemanager, cureexplorer from maemo Dec 02 20:11:01 Stskeeps, repatition, write it down a few times by hand and it will be memorised Dec 02 20:11:02 especially when there is more digits in the new countrys numbers :) Dec 02 20:11:07 tomma cool .... done Dec 02 20:11:09 just some porting testing for now Dec 02 20:11:15 repetition even Dec 02 20:11:21 ok thanks Dec 02 20:13:06 lcuk: i wonder if the meego characters are arsenic based lifeforms.. Dec 02 20:13:21 lol Dec 02 20:13:24 RevdKathy, maybe I'm not doing that, was single for a almost 12 years Dec 02 20:14:04 iekku: I think you get used to it. I've forgotten what it's like not to be single now Dec 02 20:15:10 RevdKathy, uh Dec 02 20:15:43 iekku: Though 12 years is a long time. Dec 02 20:16:12 I was single for 12 years... Dec 02 20:16:21 then I met Denise when I was 13 ;) Dec 02 20:16:27 lbt: then your voice broke? Dec 02 20:16:43 apparently I got away with it.... Dec 02 20:17:19 lbt, hahahaa Dec 02 20:17:38 RevdKathy, yes it is, I was just waiting :) Dec 02 20:17:51 RevdKathy, and the waiting is now over :) Dec 02 20:18:17 iekku: glad you found what you were waiting for - though he could use to be a bit more considerate when you need to sleep! Dec 02 20:18:21 but now they are blaying black metal and I needed to go there and ask to stop Dec 02 20:19:01 iekku: tell them the neighbours will complain. Dec 02 20:19:07 RevdKathy, his so happy to have band again, like a little child, I don't have a heart to be mean Dec 02 20:19:16 iekku: then go nextdoor, and get the neighbours to bang on the wall Dec 02 20:19:16 RevdKathy, :D Dec 02 20:19:31 iekku: awww that's sweet Dec 02 20:19:39 RevdKathy, my neighbours mostly have loud sex, so... Dec 02 20:20:07 iekku: so a bit of heavy metal isn't really anything to complain about Dec 02 20:20:27 I think they aren't coming to say anything... ... after they heard we needed to change our bedroom to other side of apartment... Dec 02 20:20:35 * RevdKathy is glad her neighbour is an 80 year-old widow Dec 02 20:21:03 RevdKathy, you newer know what's going to happen :P Dec 02 20:21:19 Stskeeps, only one way to find out Dec 02 20:21:24 question of the day! Dec 02 20:21:40 iekku: not with Jean. She's scared of her own shadow. Very quiet next door. :) And she's deaf so I don't need to worry Dec 02 20:21:52 RevdKathy, :DDDDD Dec 02 20:23:05 iekku: how long have you and the musician been together? Where did you find him? Dec 02 20:23:54 RevdKathy, I found him from punk in finland - forum :D Dec 02 20:24:14 RevdKathy, and mm, little bit over 4 months now Dec 02 20:24:27 and yes, we are living together Dec 02 20:24:46 iekku: you met him on the forum? How romantic! A Meego romance :D Dec 02 20:25:22 RevdKathy, not Meego, he doesn't understand anything I'm working with :D Dec 02 20:25:55 he said that I can fix his computer and he takes care of the cooking Dec 02 20:25:56 :D Dec 02 20:25:58 iekku: ahh right. That's a shame. I was about to promote you as a Meego Romance. Good that you found him, though Dec 02 20:26:21 haha, what a promotion that would be Dec 02 20:26:22 :D Dec 02 20:26:24 iekku: sounds like a fair deal. Dec 02 20:26:43 I hope there's going to be pair for that promotion Dec 02 20:26:48 RevdKathy: i wonder who will be the first to marry their precious n900 Dec 02 20:26:49 whole new meaning to 'connecting people' Dec 02 20:27:01 :DDDDDDD Dec 02 20:27:05 Stskeeps: been sleeping with mine ever since I got it. Dec 02 20:27:24 wasn't there a poster by that name? Dec 02 20:27:31 RevdKathy, nice vibra? Dec 02 20:27:45 wait, now I'm way to tired Dec 02 20:27:56 now now, we have to recall people are still at work at some part of the world :) Dec 02 20:27:57 there was an old bloke on the tmo forums who couldnt turn his bibrator off on the n900 Dec 02 20:28:03 iekku: I dunno - never tried. Imaging trying to get the screen clean... on second thoughts, don't Dec 02 20:28:06 vibrator Dec 02 20:28:13 RevdKathy, :D Dec 02 20:28:18 I saw that lcuk: n900 priapism Dec 02 20:28:19 Stskeeps, sorry :( Dec 02 20:28:28 ;) Dec 02 20:28:52 :O RevdKathy Dec 02 20:28:53 On the other hand, it's always past the 9pm watershed somewhere in the world. ;) Dec 02 20:28:55 maybe we should have #meego-coffeeroom Dec 02 20:29:06 Stskeeps, :D Dec 02 20:29:17 and then nobody would speak in here Dec 02 20:29:25 stskeeps - that would be good. For the times we don't want to discuss Serious Coding Dec 02 20:29:35 #meego-watercooler Dec 02 20:29:40 :D Dec 02 20:29:54 iekku: yeah, good point Dec 02 20:29:58 #meego-makeout-closet ... Dec 02 20:30:02 i thought #meego was general anyway Dec 02 20:30:44 Stskeeps: if you guys want to discuss serious stuff, we'll just shut up. We were keeping the IRC warm while you were being quiet Dec 02 20:30:53 nah, not complaining too much :) Dec 02 20:30:54 maybe I go now and try to have some sleep Dec 02 20:31:00 #meego-coffeerom -> #maemo ;) Dec 02 20:31:06 need to make some error reports in the morning Dec 02 20:31:09 * javispedro hides Dec 02 20:31:12 Nah #maemo is pretty quiet these days Dec 02 20:31:16 i don't have anything particularly better to talk about Dec 02 20:31:16 :P Dec 02 20:31:28 what do you actually work on iekku? Dec 02 20:31:46 judging by 'error reports', probably meego qa Dec 02 20:31:58 Stskeeps: I sit here silent on evenings when there's Serious Conversation Dec 02 20:32:46 iekku, what do you actually do then? Dec 02 20:32:47 RevdKathy, currently i'm working as a error manager on the mcts and qa-tools Dec 02 20:33:10 well, as someone says, the real progress in a company happens at the water cooler or the coffee machine Dec 02 20:33:17 * RevdKathy wishes she knew exactly what that meant Dec 02 20:33:18 so maybe we do need #meego-watercooler ;) Dec 02 20:33:19 RevdKathy, did you mind read Dec 02 20:33:21 Stskeeps, :) Dec 02 20:34:01 I brain share with several people, lcuk. watch out for texrat in my head Dec 02 20:34:20 * javispedro usually favors #meego actually being #meego-coffeeroom and #meego-arm, #meego-devel, etc. being the "no chit chat allowed" channels Dec 02 20:34:30 RevdKathy, lcuk was that enough information? Dec 02 20:34:59 iekku: enough to confuse me. I'm just a bear of very little brain. I Am the End User Dec 02 20:35:06 iekku, totally :D Dec 02 20:35:24 * lcuk likes the qa-tools chan and people Dec 02 20:36:15 testplanner is awesome. if i can figure out how to actually make it do tests it will be even better. :P Dec 02 20:36:30 blah, testing Dec 02 20:36:40 required CosmoHill Dec 02 20:36:47 I have so much of it to do Dec 02 20:37:50 I have about 12 graphics to make so far Dec 02 20:38:04 he's also like a surface thingy which he isn't gonna get Dec 02 20:38:07 and you are sitting on irc? Dec 02 20:38:07 :P Dec 02 20:38:11 get working, student Dec 02 20:38:11 :P Dec 02 20:38:18 * CosmoHill glares at Stskeeps Dec 02 20:38:23 random observation of the evening: how in the heck are zones meant to work Dec 02 20:38:24 http://liqbase.net/Screenshot_zones_20101202.png Dec 02 20:38:51 I've only just remembered I can resize excel cells Dec 02 20:38:54 it takes it about 3 seconds to alt tab from one end of the list to the other Dec 02 20:39:24 lcuk: I think the zones are meant to replace having a task bar with a click to open apps. Except they don't quite achieve the same thing Dec 02 20:39:34 btw Dec 02 20:39:49 I saw a video on youtube with the netbook ux topbar perpetually visible onscreen Dec 02 20:39:49 RevdKathy, well at the 8th zone it gave up and started putting everything into the last one Dec 02 20:39:53 how to achieve that? Dec 02 20:39:56 they are meant for that, but it's a different paradigm Dec 02 20:39:57 I like my dock, even if it is full of applicatons I don't use all the time Dec 02 20:40:09 * Chani wibbles Dec 02 20:40:13 javispedro: I think you need a higher resolution screen Dec 02 20:40:17 my uni is doing a special course involving meego in spring. Dec 02 20:40:18 You can move them around, and put several apps into one zone Dec 02 20:40:24 fiferboy, interesting Dec 02 20:40:30 though then I struggle to alt tab between them Dec 02 20:40:32 javispedro: When I tv-out 1080 it is pervassive Dec 02 20:40:33 but, my bf wants me to stay in berlin another semester instaed of going back to school. Dec 02 20:41:00 Chani: awww, wait, he is in berlin too, right? Dec 02 20:41:02 Chani, long distance for a semester isnt major deal? Dec 02 20:41:04 fiferboy: oh :( Dec 02 20:41:07 when is someone gonna invent cloning, damnit? ;P or teleportation, that'd work too :) Dec 02 20:41:50 lcuk: berlin is pretty awesome though, I kinda wanna stay here Dec 02 20:41:55 * lcuk nods Dec 02 20:41:57 its a great city Dec 02 20:41:59 * javispedro finds the best interface for the ideapad so far has been w7 with the task bar docked to the left edge. for some reason, it resembles the diablo task navigator. Dec 02 20:42:08 hmm, I had discussion with BF while smoking and in the same time his friend had already but the guitar to the case, does he read minds? Dec 02 20:42:11 I keep hitting the "clock" area of the taskbar trying to open a window list menu that is not there ;) Dec 02 20:42:37 javispedro: the best way to confuse me is to put the task bar / dock in the non-default position Dec 02 20:42:40 * lcuk likes bottom oriented strips Dec 02 20:42:42 * RevdKathy wondered whether it would be a crime to reinstall windows Dec 02 20:42:53 RevdKathy: the stock one is. Dec 02 20:42:59 errr tabstrips Dec 02 20:43:04 RevdKathy: only if you torrented it Dec 02 20:43:06 now to the bed, nice morning, day, evening, night to everyone Dec 02 20:43:13 gnite iekku \o Dec 02 20:43:18 cyas iekku Dec 02 20:43:18 o/ Dec 02 20:43:24 gnite iekku Dec 02 20:43:31 Ideapad has a windows licence on the base so would be legit, I think Dec 02 20:43:40 Goodnight iekku! Dec 02 20:43:57 RevdKathy: only starter -- and believe me, it sucks :) Dec 02 20:44:28 javispedo: will it pick up wifi from the n900 using joikuspot? Dec 02 20:44:33 so unless you have another w7 license sitting around... it's not worth the effort. Dec 02 20:44:38 RevdKathy: oh, meego doesn't? Dec 02 20:45:16 javispedo: no. And that's a bit of a dealbreaker for me. No net access apart from mains wifi Dec 02 20:45:23 javispedro, adhoc networking is notworking Dec 02 20:45:33 * javispedro rolls eyes Dec 02 20:45:39 gidday! Dec 02 20:45:56 No sim connection, no drives for 3g dongle, no usb to n900, no n900 joikuspot. Dec 02 20:46:11 "connecting people... but only just" Dec 02 20:46:36 means the ideapad never leaves home, which is a bit pointless for a netbook Dec 02 20:47:11 I could give you the command line incantation that might at least temporarily establish the connection, but I know that isn't a solution ;) Dec 02 20:47:36 The tablet mode is... pretty limited. But I can live with that and await fixes. But the lack of any other sort of connection is a pain Dec 02 20:48:10 javispedro: would solve it short term but would be a pig to do every time I wanted to connect Dec 02 20:48:25 Other than that, I actually quite like meego Dec 02 20:48:33 hum.. Dec 02 20:48:46 for some reason I thought joikuspot would present itself as an AP instead of adhoc Dec 02 20:48:52 1.1 is definitely better than 1.0 Dec 02 20:48:56 :P Dec 02 20:48:56 RevdKathy, i would like that comment you just made on the bug 440 Dec 02 20:48:59 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi Dec 02 20:49:21 which comment? Dec 02 20:49:24 No sim connection, no drives for 3g dongle, no usb to n900, no n900 joikuspot. Dec 02 20:49:25 "connecting people... but only just" Dec 02 20:49:25 means the ideapad never leaves home, which is a bit pointless for a netbook Dec 02 20:49:53 the computers *should* be connected Dec 02 20:50:23 Yeah - it's a problem. At the moment, the meego ideapad is actually achieving less than the competition is the very area it's supposed to excel in Dec 02 20:50:27 i should really make a handset ux build for the ideapad.. Dec 02 20:50:29 RevdKathy, just stick Ubuntu on there. Dec 02 20:50:34 Works pretty well. Dec 02 20:50:38 Stskeeps, i am trying also Dec 02 20:50:41 I wondered about that, too GAN900 Dec 02 20:50:45 but in a way which doesnt break existing Dec 02 20:50:54 RevdKathy, got any USB keys lying about? Dec 02 20:51:20 No very big ones... but I have a 16gb card in the n900 *blushes* Dec 02 20:51:24 RevdKathy: that's something I was wondering, maybe it was a masterplan by Lenovo to get Meego working "better" on it ;) Dec 02 20:51:36 lcuk: i personally dont like the netbook ux too much :P Dec 02 20:51:41 lcuk: so would be full replace for me Dec 02 20:51:46 can those that haven't voted for bug 440 please do so now.. Dec 02 20:51:49 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi Dec 02 20:51:56 i would align it closer to what my joggler will run Dec 02 20:51:58 lenovo have a master plan? Dec 02 20:52:04 lcuk: would be very goold if coild be like the ubuntu netbook edition... when you start the session (login) you can select the "user experience" (desktop or netbook edition) Dec 02 20:52:06 lcuk: it's not short of votes! Dec 02 20:52:09 Stskeeps, difference between not liking it very much and it being capable of running things Dec 02 20:52:27 fcrochik, thats what I would like to get to too Dec 02 20:53:00 lcuk: well, with javispedro's work its possible to make a contextkit plugin and in tablet mode have VKB pop up and in not, use hw keyboard.. Dec 02 20:53:08 and then its mostly just a full screen wm Dec 02 20:53:17 Oh, it doesn't connect to the n900 via bluetooth, either Dec 02 20:54:17 Stskeeps: ah, Screen.TopEdge would it be (as seen today on the ML) ? Dec 02 20:54:18 Stskeeps, thats less of issue, handset keyboard on lmt exists Dec 02 20:54:38 and in netbook mode i actually run with keyboard open at the moment Dec 02 20:55:21 javispedro: thats rotation -- /maemo/internal/Keyboard Dec 02 20:55:22 Is javispedro Dec 02 20:55:22 or something Dec 02 20:55:26 soops Dec 02 20:55:58 Is Javispedro's work on the tablet mode/touch screen with keyboard around somewhere that an ordinary bear could follow? Dec 02 20:56:11 RevdKathy: no, not yet :) Dec 02 20:56:28 When it is ready, please will you put it somewhere I can test :) Dec 02 20:56:49 well, so far, it seems it could actually go upstream.. Dec 02 20:56:50 Will it include rotation so I can read books the right orientation, please? Dec 02 20:57:36 javispedro, Nokia and Intel financed the netbooks. Dec 02 20:57:39 RevdKathy, liqtorch on the netbook is so bright! it lights up the whole room :D Dec 02 20:57:41 * RevdKathy would like to use the tablet mode properly when there's a workable on-and-offable keyboard Dec 02 20:57:56 lcuk: useful when the snow causes a powercut! Dec 02 20:58:18 heh Dec 02 20:58:24 I kinda remember someone complained that even though you can rotate the display, the touch screen mappings don't? Dec 02 20:58:42 javispedro: Yeah, xinput rotation doesn't work for me Dec 02 20:58:43 saw that on debian Dec 02 20:59:15 have we got any proper multitouch capable drivers/apps yet? Dec 02 20:59:21 yet another problem to add to list.. Dec 02 20:59:33 I think h0pbeat was working on the multitouch Dec 02 20:59:46 lcuk: Multitouch works, it is the netbook apps that don't take advantage Dec 02 20:59:53 MT would probably work better in the handset ux Dec 02 21:00:06 fiferboy, i know the multitouch side is there Dec 02 21:01:24 i wonder if people can be motivated to work on a handset ux based thing that would be directly transferable to n900 too :P Dec 02 21:01:32 * Stskeeps ponders how to seed that Dec 02 21:01:53 well Stskeeps lmt is Dec 02 21:01:56 RevdKathy, the Ubuntu LiveCD image is only 700MB or so. Dec 02 21:02:07 lmt? Dec 02 21:02:20 libmeegotouch Dec 02 21:02:23 Hmmm, that might work. In an ideal world, I'd like to dual boot and keep meego too Dec 02 21:02:55 * javispedro ponders.. Dec 02 21:03:13 so, when entering tablet mode, the handset ux launches. exit tablet mode to go back to netbook ux :) Dec 02 21:03:13 RevdKathy: I must be very stupid because I could not resize the original partition to install ubuntu... I had to wipe the hardrive, install ubuntu and then install meego again Dec 02 21:03:21 RevdKathy, the differences between handset and netbook and the way meego is built Dec 02 21:03:30 javispedro: with a bit of chvt magic maybe Dec 02 21:03:30 :P Dec 02 21:03:33 SHOULD mean that can switch between handset and netbook Dec 02 21:03:45 fcrochik - I was afraid it might mean that Dec 02 21:04:11 RevdKathy: Maybe someone here knows how to resize the brtfs partition ...I tried a lot of things and none worked... :( Dec 02 21:04:21 fcrochik, that it can't be done that is, not that you're stupid. :p Dec 02 21:04:52 RevdKathy: We all have room for our stupid moments... I embrace mine :) Dec 02 21:05:02 lcuk: would be good to use handset in tablet mode (or tablet?) and netbook when open keyboard Dec 02 21:05:27 fcrochik, Most of my life is stupid moments, I'm afraid. Dec 02 21:05:49 Stskeeps, you know how the intel/moblin guys spent a good deal of time and energy optimising startup for netbook. i have a feeling we need to organise similar for n900 Dec 02 21:06:10 lcuk: most of the same tricks are in use for n900 though Dec 02 21:06:13 Two questions: Is it impossible to change the font size used in the IM app/Empathy? Is there a way to change the keyboard shortcuts for changing zones? P: Dec 02 21:06:24 Stskeeps, some for sure Dec 02 21:06:27 Stskeeps: Is there any practical hope that we will ever be able to run meego on the n900? Dec 02 21:06:45 Stskeeps: I mean....run for daily use Dec 02 21:06:45 fcrochik: meego already runs there? Dec 02 21:07:09 fcrochik: well, our focus is developer device and we are trying to make the experience better Dec 02 21:07:17 but for all the end user stuff, add it yourself Dec 02 21:07:17 fcrochik, right now, I wouldn't want to. maemo does so much more than meego! Dec 02 21:07:17 :P Dec 02 21:08:42 How complicated is it to switch between netbook and handset UX on a single device? Dec 02 21:08:56 * javispedro 's review of netbook ux: pros: fast boot cons: facade quickly runs out and you're thrown into a prettymuchstock Gtk+ application Dec 02 21:09:56 i'd say it competes with the lenovo quickstart/devicevm stuff more than with ubuntu netbook edition Dec 02 21:10:40 in fact I found it funny than on both netbookux and lenovoqs I was meeted with the stock Gaim/Purple "New account wizard" screen after selecting the menu chat option. Dec 02 21:10:57 virtually pixel identical. Dec 02 21:12:09 the good news is that I find the netbook ux better than the lenovoqs stuff.... at least Meego has PIM functionality. Dec 02 21:13:39 hm.. did I say something evil? Dec 02 21:14:26 No, not that I was aware of. I mentioned [whispers]windows[/whispers] and didn't kill the conversation Dec 02 21:14:40 I think everyone went to watch 'Have I got news for you' Dec 02 21:15:36 well, I guess I should do that too. Dec 02 21:15:43 going for dinner, see you. Dec 02 21:15:45 RevdKathy, somehow i had unfollowed @teebee76 Dec 02 21:16:11 lcuk: I can recommend a good lawyer of you need one Dec 02 21:16:18 *if* Dec 02 21:16:19 hmmm...was the person responsible for the events listing in meego.com...there is a false date in one event Dec 02 21:16:29 :O it was only a twitter spat this time lol Dec 02 21:16:30 kyb3R: that's DawnFoster Dec 02 21:16:43 thiago_home: ok, thanks Dec 02 21:16:56 quim was working on fixing it, I think Dec 02 21:17:00 which event? Dec 02 21:17:03 the same person who called by mistake Damn :) Dec 02 21:17:06 lcuk: you missed her requesting entertainment Dec 02 21:17:15 I mean, who i called Dec 02 21:17:16 she pushed the matter Dec 02 21:17:28 and i found out i had been unfollowing her for ages Dec 02 21:17:40 tampere network meeting 21st should be 17th Dec 02 21:17:53 it just changed Dec 02 21:19:52 same location just change it to the 17th? Dec 02 21:20:06 DawnFoster: yes Dec 02 21:20:20 viola! Dec 02 21:20:28 DawnFoster: thanks :) Dec 02 21:20:33 happy to help Dec 02 21:22:45 I haven't been impressed with any netbook-oriented UI so far. Dec 02 21:23:03 The Ubuntu Netbook Remix has always been sub-par. Dec 02 21:23:09 GAN900: would you count the macbook air as a netbook? Dec 02 21:23:20 The 11", yes. Dec 02 21:23:28 But it doesn't have a netbook Ui Dec 02 21:23:29 okay so that's one Dec 02 21:23:41 and OS X isn't netbook-oriented. Dec 02 21:23:46 ah I was thinking of netbooks with nice UIs Dec 02 21:26:53 GAN900: Have you tried the Ubuntu KDE netbook interface? Dec 02 21:27:39 Not yet Dec 02 21:28:01 KDE stuff usually only makes me irritated. Dec 02 21:28:40 Pah! Nothing irritates you. Dec 02 21:29:08 Ubuntu 10.10's Unity Netbook thing is nice, but it still has a LOT of bugs to get ironed out. Dec 02 21:31:51 SineOtter: I found it horrible Dec 02 21:32:07 * slaine waves to DawnFoster Dec 02 21:32:11 slaine: it's horrible right now, yeah... But it's got promise Dec 02 21:32:22 hey slaine! Dec 02 21:33:02 if they can fix some of the stupid issues with it right now like the menu proxy thing not working for a lot of apps, and the whole side bar not getting counted as used space Dec 02 21:33:57 What's so horrible about the unity netbook UI (I've never used it so that's why I'm asking.) Dec 02 21:34:41 msvb: the paradigm is weird for a start, but putting that aside, it was unusably slow and buggy on an Atom N270 netbook Dec 02 21:35:06 slaine: Wow that's too bad. Dec 02 21:35:13 Ubuntu's KDE netbook interface suffered a similar problem Dec 02 21:35:31 msvb: buggy mostly. The menu proxy compresses stuff like File, Edit, into the title bar of windows so it takes up less space, but breaks on some apps so you don't get menus at all. The dock on the side doesn't get counted as used space so when browsing fullscreen it gives you horizontal scrollbars since it gets a 1024 window not a 1024-dock window Dec 02 21:35:34 slaine: Are you the chap who wrote the nice page on compiling a broadcom network driver for MeeGo? Dec 02 21:35:37 though at least the Ux made sense, I'm sure the performance has improved since I last used it Dec 02 21:35:43 msvb: yeah, that's me Dec 02 21:35:52 it's anecdotal, but it runs fine on my old Wind U100 with I think an N450 or whatever Dec 02 21:36:01 slaine: Then I've got a question, it seems that the ideapads are using Atheros chips. Dec 02 21:36:08 SineOtter: that's a beefy processor though Dec 02 21:36:19 the N270 is really that much worse? Dec 02 21:36:24 slaine: …yet at the installfest in Dublin they were talking about proprietary broadcom drivers on these ideapads. Dec 02 21:36:26 SineOtter: yeah Dec 02 21:36:35 slaine: ouch Dec 02 21:36:39 How is that possible to put a broadcom driver on a Atheros chipset netbook? Dec 02 21:36:47 Or did I misunderstand? Dec 02 21:36:55 msvb: There's a version that's got the Atheros chipset, seems to be available in the US only Dec 02 21:37:03 ideapads come with 2 different wireless chipsets Dec 02 21:37:06 msvb: if I had to venture a guess, it's because there's more than one chipset used Dec 02 21:37:14 atheros was only shipped on a very minimal amount of units Dec 02 21:37:15 All EU stock that could be sourced had the broadcom unfortunately Dec 02 21:37:24 almost all of the US and EU stock is now broadcom Dec 02 21:37:34 the Wind U100 has I think three different wifi cards and two touchpad suppliers, even though they all share the same model numbers :p Dec 02 21:37:35 lenovo looked at getting atheros units but was not able to Dec 02 21:37:40 slaine: You mean that they were giving out two different ideapads in Dublin? Dec 02 21:37:47 The one I got has Atheros. Dec 02 21:37:56 …in Dublin (not the U.S) Dec 02 21:38:03 msvb: did you getyours from the conference? Dec 02 21:38:05 It has a U.K. keyboards. Dec 02 21:38:15 auke: Yes, and it has Atheros. Dec 02 21:38:15 msvb how did you check? Dec 02 21:38:24 msvb: then you are very lucky Dec 02 21:38:35 RevdKathy: lspci Dec 02 21:38:36 The ATH9K driver is flaky so I'm trying to do something about it. Dec 02 21:38:45 msvb: smash it? Dec 02 21:38:53 At least I'm trying to understand what went down in Dublin. Dec 02 21:38:56 msvb, That's weird alright Dec 02 21:39:14 that was probably old stock that was scrounged up to meet the large order Dec 02 21:39:16 msvb: aparently lenovo doesn't know what they ship Dec 02 21:39:27 RevdKathy: It is listed beside "Network controller" Dec 02 21:39:29 slaine: But why were there two sets of USB keys in at the install party (one with a red stripe?) Dec 02 21:39:34 auke: not surprising given the lies that where told Dec 02 21:39:57 fiferboy, is that a line of code? Dec 02 21:39:57 msvb: 'cause lots of people would take offence to using non-oss drivers I guess Dec 02 21:40:05 so they gave you the choice Dec 02 21:40:11 There's clearly a difference in what was being offered as far as MeeGo images at the install party. Dec 02 21:40:14 RevdKathy: A command for the terminal Dec 02 21:40:18 slaine: The choice between what and what? Dec 02 21:40:18 ahh ok Dec 02 21:40:36 slaine: sorry, what lies were being told? Dec 02 21:41:14 fiferboy, thanks :) Dec 02 21:41:15 slaine: Okay, I know that ath9k is in the linux kernel, but what is the 'non-oss' variety? Dec 02 21:41:17 msvb: an install with a proprietary wifi driver and an install with only the oss drivers Dec 02 21:41:22 RevdKathy: Which do you have? Dec 02 21:41:32 fiferboy, broadcom. Dec 02 21:41:52 I just want to try that to see if the problem lies in the kernel module that was on the USB key I used. Dec 02 21:42:12 auke: "They'll definitely be there for Thursday", thursday arrives. "Friday, we meant Friday" friday arrives. "Yeah, the weathers really bad, they'll all definitely be there for sunday night"..... Dec 02 21:42:38 slaine: yeah lenovo wasn't much of a help Dec 02 21:42:43 nod Dec 02 21:42:47 Amy was going crazy Dec 02 21:43:20 I was under the impression it was the logistics - bed weather somewhere had stopped them travelling Dec 02 21:43:22 yeah, poor amy, was stressful enough without a thousand nerds demanding their free toy that intel now owed them Dec 02 21:43:52 There's a thread in forum about the ones that were to be shipped out not having arrived yet, too Dec 02 21:43:56 luckily, she handles stress well :) Dec 02 21:44:02 I take it you folks didn't like my blog post? Dec 02 21:44:06 "We where promised netbooks of the free variety. I expect you to deliver" Dec 02 21:44:26 Speaking of which, you sounded like toy'd a good break DawnFoster Dec 02 21:44:26 I just hung out at the info desk to get up-to-the-minute reports Dec 02 21:44:45 Info desk was the place to be, fiferboy Dec 02 21:44:59 RevdKathy: Cool AND cold Dec 02 21:45:03 slaine: I had a lovely vacation in Hawaii after Dublin - I thought I deserved it :) Dec 02 21:45:12 fiferboy, but lots of fun Dec 02 21:45:25 sun and 80 degrees was a nice change from Dublin (and Portland) Dec 02 21:45:31 glad you had a good hols DawnFoster Dec 02 21:45:38 DawnFoster: you should see Dublin now Dec 02 21:45:43 brrrrr Dec 02 21:45:45 You deserved it after that! Dec 02 21:45:56 The Nokians would feel right at home Dec 02 21:45:57 RevdKathy: thanks! I thought about you when I walked by a gigantic teddy bear store in Waikiki :) Dec 02 21:46:20 Hmm.. Not sure what I've done, but I seem to have enabled the top task bar permanently. Suggestions? Dec 02 21:46:23 slaine: yeah, not envying you that weather Dec 02 21:46:43 LOL DawnFoster! Should have bought yourself a Meego Bear Dec 02 21:47:02 RevdKathy: How'd you do that? Dec 02 21:47:12 Maybe it's about the IEEE802.3 network driver. Dec 02 21:47:18 RevdKathy: External monitor? Dec 02 21:47:25 I dunno - I hit something. I think it's an improvement Dec 02 21:47:32 no - still on the standard Dec 02 21:47:41 * RevdKathy wonders which key she hit Dec 02 21:47:47 we definitely need some MeeGo dolls (like the old SuSE lizards) Dec 02 21:47:50 RevdKathy: I was looking for that feature earlier! Dec 02 21:47:55 mece thanks for the vote of confidance Dec 02 21:48:28 fiferboy, one of the keys in the bottom left or a combo. Windows key? Dec 02 21:48:33 DawnFoster, plushies or barbies? Dec 02 21:48:46 yep! Windows key locks the task bar in place Dec 02 21:48:46 lcuk: I'm thinking plushies Dec 02 21:48:55 Well, whatdayaknow! Dec 02 21:48:58 DawnFoster, :D awesome Dec 02 21:49:06 RevdKathy: Windows key usually shows or hides, but not permanantly Dec 02 21:49:13 I was thinking little felt plushies DawnFoster, lcuk Dec 02 21:49:20 RevdKathy: If you launch an application is it still there? Dec 02 21:49:25 fiferboy, I have it locked Dec 02 21:49:57 Amy was going to look into it a while back - I'll have to see if she found a company to make them Dec 02 21:49:59 No, fiferboy it goes if I launch an app. But I can leave it there and use the app I'm looking at Dec 02 21:50:34 Usually you can't interact with an app if you have the task bar visible Dec 02 21:50:58 RevdKathy: I get the same behaviour Dec 02 21:51:10 strange fiferboy Dec 02 21:51:46 If the screen resolution was bigger the bar would be permanent with the application displaying below it Dec 02 21:51:53 Like when you have an external monitor Dec 02 21:51:54 ahh right Dec 02 21:52:10 Saviq: if you're the one with the meego trunk on sd card, yeah, 1.2 is horrendously slow :) cgroups were enabled Dec 02 21:52:19 Time I went to bed, I guess. Thanks for the company folks Dec 02 21:52:26 cheered me up no end Dec 02 21:52:28 night RevdKathy Dec 02 21:52:30 gnite RevdKathy \o Dec 02 21:52:34 Stskeeps: yup, 's me Dec 02 21:52:38 Night all Dec 02 21:52:46 bye RevdKathy Dec 02 21:52:48 RevdKathy: Good night. Dec 02 21:53:43 Anyone had problems with the panel-myzone when it waits on a calendar server? Dec 02 21:54:27 btw Stskeeps is there a place where the process of putting anything beyond 1.1 on the N900 is described? I only got it thanks to google, the wiki page only mentions the ready-made images with the FAT partition in place Dec 02 21:54:28 By default myzone displays calendar data. If you boot and it takes 1/2 to get all the calendar data from the server, then panel-myzone displays nothing for that long. Dec 02 21:54:41 Stskeeps, why do cgroups make things slower?! Dec 02 21:54:49 mikhas: i don't actually know Dec 02 21:55:04 also, why aren't the images built like that? Dec 02 21:55:27 Saviq: basically we were waiting for u-boot making it into trunk too Dec 02 21:56:18 ah ok, no way to build the uImage? Dec 02 21:56:39 Saviq: install uboot-tools manually :P Dec 02 21:56:49 Saviq: and at the moment, 1.2 is horribly uninteresting Dec 02 21:57:11 Stskeeps: I managed, was wondering why arent't the images built ready, what the problem is Dec 02 21:57:50 Saviq: we had higher priorities for a bit :) when the u-boot package is in both MeeGo Trunk and Trunk:Testing, we can modify the kickstart file to include it Dec 02 21:58:39 sure, I'm not trying to harass anyone into doing that, it was easy enough anyway ;) Dec 02 21:58:48 nah, thanks for reminding me Dec 02 21:58:52 i'll go stick a post-it on my wall Dec 02 21:58:53 :P Dec 02 22:11:44 if 50% is a C and I got 49.66667%, how angry should I be? Dec 02 22:12:55 CosmoHill, you should be getting at least a C++ Dec 02 22:12:57 try harder. Dec 02 22:13:01 well if that equates to java or something, very Dec 02 22:13:05 har Dec 02 22:13:58 convince instructor only integer values make sense Dec 02 22:14:10 seriously, don't expect sympathy from other geeks.... Dec 02 22:14:19 we're horrible cruel that way Dec 02 22:17:50 CosmoHill, which exam btw Dec 02 22:18:07 our presentation that I was talking about is worth 60% of the module Dec 02 22:18:26 I'm not sure if I have 50% of the module or 50% of that 60% Dec 02 22:18:37 so, if you got 49.6667 how much did the other guy get? Dec 02 22:19:26 our group got the same grade Dec 02 22:19:31 don't know about others Dec 02 22:23:45 CosmoHill: could be one of those original Pentiums, though Dec 02 22:23:51 those that can't do math :-) Dec 02 22:24:05 I have a collection of pentium 2s :/ Dec 02 22:24:33 CosmoHill, if theres 3 of you in the group, combined you got 149% !!! Dec 02 22:24:55 part of me wants to make some piramid of them to hang on my wall Dec 02 22:26:54 with a P1 on the top and a load of core 2s at the bottom Dec 02 22:30:08 (dead processors of course, they cost money) Dec 02 22:38:21 hi all Dec 02 22:39:27 .o/ Dec 02 22:41:25 CosmoHill: who you pointin' at? Dec 02 22:41:35 the "a" in "all" Dec 02 22:41:53 well hello Dec 02 22:42:56 meego running on the gma500 chipset any idea ? Dec 02 22:44:06 flee now whilst you still can Dec 02 22:44:28 lol take that as a no then ? Dec 02 22:44:48 you can run meego on gma500 but it takes some work Dec 02 22:45:23 a lot of terminal work ? Dec 02 22:46:08 I'd imagine so, you'd also need to compile some things Dec 02 22:46:48 you might try suse's smeegol Dec 02 22:47:26 oh too hard for a noob like me , guess ill have to stick with jolicloud. Dec 02 22:47:53 * CosmoHill wonders if he should correct keith Dec 02 22:48:05 please do Dec 02 22:48:17 n00b = someone who fails Dec 02 22:48:26 newbie = someone who is in experienced Dec 02 22:48:55 oh i see , lol a little of both Dec 02 22:49:17 but def a newbie Dec 02 22:49:29 thanks for that Dec 02 22:49:40 no problem, just something that bugs me Dec 02 22:49:42 god im old Dec 02 22:50:15 not hip and with the kids nowa days Dec 02 22:54:13 hehe Dec 02 23:10:01 on IRC Dec 02 23:10:28 that's what you think Dec 02 23:12:56 Really? Is that what one got wen trying to get into meego IRC in order to be able to use OBS? Dec 02 23:15:37 you want to use the community OBS? Dec 02 23:17:19 Rene_gs: are you registered on meego.com Dec 02 23:17:37 yes I'm Dec 02 23:17:48 how about the previous question? Dec 02 23:18:51 and by following the wiki said that I need to contact lbt on meego channel Dec 02 23:19:00 correct Dec 02 23:19:06 what is your meego account name? Dec 02 23:19:31 renegonsales Dec 02 23:21:10 * CosmoHill pokes lbt Dec 02 23:21:27 by the way, is there any way to clean that user name? since it has a typo i'd like to fix that Dec 02 23:21:36 erm Dec 02 23:21:44 you might need to speak to DawnFoster about that Dec 02 23:21:54 thanks? Dec 02 23:22:31 what was the question? :) Dec 02 23:23:09 DawnFoster: Rene_gs made a typo in his meego account user name Dec 02 23:23:12 another type, it should be "thanks." Dec 02 23:23:37 you're full of them today :p Dec 02 23:23:57 yeah!!! Dec 02 23:24:38 can you send me the current link to the existing account? Dec 02 23:24:46 I'll see if I can change the username Dec 02 23:25:01 sure Dec 02 23:27:40 http://meego.com/users/renegonsalez Dec 02 23:29:44 I think an important question is if do I need both account to be the same? I mean the freenode and the meego acounts Dec 02 23:30:17 Rene_gs: also tell her what you'd like it changed to Dec 02 23:30:35 Rene_gs: no, meego is unreleated to freenode Dec 02 23:31:05 it helps if your username is the same on both but there is no requirment Dec 02 23:31:45 thanks, Dec 02 23:31:55 you're new to IRC aren't you? Dec 02 23:32:14 http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines Dec 02 23:32:16 yes sr. I'm new here Dec 02 23:33:20 Rene_gs: what should the username be? Dec 02 23:33:34 doesn't need to be the same as IRC Dec 02 23:34:00 please when fix that leave it as "renegonzalezsalinas" Dec 02 23:34:13 damn, that''s a username and a half Dec 02 23:34:41 thats good cos apears that my irc account brakes the meego convetion name Dec 02 23:35:07 like this? http://meego.com/users/renegonzalezsalinas Dec 02 23:35:26 perfect, Dec 02 23:35:33 ok, you're all set Dec 02 23:35:43 than you very much Dec 02 23:36:33 I really really appreciated it Dec 02 23:36:37 no problem! Dec 02 23:39:07 Rene_gs: what username would you like on the community OBS Dec 02 23:40:26 please same as this one: Rene_gs Dec 02 23:42:03 DawnFoster: on the IRC guidelines, can I please add a note about private messages Dec 02 23:42:13 CosmoHill: sure! Dec 02 23:42:18 yay Dec 02 23:42:37 now to figure out how to word it Dec 02 23:42:46 I thought community obs was using single sign on with the main account Dec 02 23:43:21 I wouldn't know about that but I know they need to be activated manually Dec 02 23:45:13 well I'm assuming they need to be otherwise nobody would need to message lbt Dec 02 23:46:04 I tried following http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS this link but I get errors in step 6 Dec 02 23:46:14 use of uninitialized value in concatenation . or string at /usr/lib/obs/server/BSConfig.pm Dec 02 23:46:19 anyone any idea Dec 02 23:46:22 ? Dec 02 23:53:47 kaushik, I remember seeing that but I think its just a warning Dec 02 23:55:41 So, how can I figure out that .I have sync the whole source from repo Dec 03 00:04:01 DawnFoster: I think that the wiki should said that once one get access to IRC looking for OBS access, the user have to request his OBS account Dec 03 00:04:36 Rene_gs: right, but I think it uses the meego username and just gives that username access to the OBS Dec 03 00:05:27 we have single sign on implemented across most things with access control to different things depending on the need / role for each person Dec 03 00:06:26 so it's a requirement? I mean do meego user name and OBS should be the same? Dec 03 00:08:00 Rene_gs: if the meego and OBS users names were differnt, people would be complaining day and night about it Dec 03 00:10:35 I think we should wait for lbt or X-Fade Dec 03 00:12:44 I like to add a short clarification about this subject in the wiki, just as a recomendation, could be that ok? Dec 03 00:24:04 OBS webinterface is not working? Dec 03 00:24:04 dawnFoster: Few menutes ago you ask for my OBS account name, did you proceed?; based on last chat I like to ensure that my OBS account is the same meego "renegonzalezsalinas" Dec 03 00:24:15 why? Dec 03 00:25:37 I though that i may avoid any possible issue when I start to use OBS Dec 03 00:25:38 Rene_gs: actually, I think CosmoHill was asking about it. You'll need to talk to lbt about community OBS. It's the middle of the night for him, so he's probably not awake yet, but you should be able to ping him in a few hours Dec 03 00:26:01 Rene_gs: what country are you in? Dec 03 00:26:43 oh!!!!! I misunderstud... Dec 03 00:26:58 I'm form Mexico Dec 03 00:27:39 I mean, I'm in Mexico Dec 03 00:29:29 what time zone is that? Dec 03 00:29:51 PST Dec 03 00:29:57 UTC - ? Dec 03 00:30:47 OBS webinterface is not working? Dec 03 00:30:54 any idea? Dec 03 00:31:08 works for me: https://build.pub.meego.com/ Dec 03 00:31:46 Sorry I didnt clarify .. I am trying to setup local OBS Dec 03 00:32:00 what port you trying? Dec 03 00:32:01 and the webinterface for that is not working Dec 03 00:32:06 81 and 82 Dec 03 00:32:36 OBS server is running on VB Dec 03 00:32:41 and host is linux Dec 03 00:33:04 OBS server ip is 10.0.2.15 and host machine is 10.130.1.100 Dec 03 00:33:12 how can I open web interface? Dec 03 00:33:12 It don't let me login on web interface Dec 03 00:33:36 Also I'm not able to use command line Dec 03 00:33:44 kaushik: are you using NAT or bridge? Dec 03 00:33:49 appears I need first to create a proyect Dec 03 00:34:22 kaushik: bridge will allow other computers to access the OBS VM Dec 03 00:35:02 I am using NAT Dec 03 00:36:46 i want to open it on the same machine on which I have OBS running in Virtual Box Dec 03 00:44:54 heyo! Dec 03 00:45:24 * Texrat listens to crickets chirp Dec 03 00:45:31 chirp Dec 03 00:45:44 :) Dec 03 00:45:56 quiet, can't hear the crickets Dec 03 00:47:48 Guys, thank you very much ofr your support... see you around Dec 03 00:47:50 hey Texrat Dec 03 00:48:10 * Texrat thwacks berndhs Dec 03 00:48:18 * Texrat is all out of trout Dec 03 00:48:39 would cod work? Dec 03 00:48:56 I'm wanting to try flounder Dec 03 00:49:01 or stingray Dec 03 00:49:12 jelly fish to the face? Dec 03 00:49:15 ooo Dec 03 00:49:21 man o war... Dec 03 00:49:31 do trout eat crickets ? Dec 03 00:49:38 they should Dec 03 00:49:46 they're not normally in the same enviroment Dec 03 00:49:50 catfish eat grasshoppers Dec 03 00:50:06 they are if you put crickets on a hook :D Dec 03 00:50:26 besides sometimes a bug's jump goes wrong Dec 03 00:50:39 like a bad teleport on Star Trek Dec 03 00:50:45 * Texrat shudders at thought Dec 03 00:50:55 grasshoppers are easy to catch, just follow them Dec 03 00:51:14 they only have energy for 2 or 3 jumps then they just sit there Dec 03 00:51:14 heck, here in Texas they attack you Dec 03 00:51:28 they're 2, maybe 3 feet long Dec 03 00:51:41 take out small aircraft Dec 03 00:51:57 yeah, and you should see the trout you can catch with those Dec 03 00:52:08 half a dozen will denude a redwood in 2 seconds flat Dec 03 00:52:20 trout hell... whale Dec 03 00:53:25 i know texas is big Dec 03 00:53:36 almost half the size of Ontario Dec 03 00:54:05 lol Dec 03 00:54:15 wiseguy Dec 03 00:54:32 sometimes it has to be done :) Dec 03 00:55:02 ok, so I popped in to urge/encourage/beg people to check my 2 emails today on device program and marketing, and COMMENT Dec 03 00:55:11 community and dev lists Dec 03 00:55:47 if you want loaner/gift devices, you should want to engage in the process development :D Dec 03 00:55:59 the price you pay Dec 03 00:56:32 Dec 03 00:57:55 "feel free to discuss amongst yourselves." -Beetlejuice Dec 03 00:58:30 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002709.html [MeeGo-community] Nudging the Community Device Program Dec 03 00:58:42 have to go read the proposals/offers, see if it makes sense for me Dec 03 00:59:03 TY lcuk! Dec 03 00:59:25 when talking about mailing list in IRC, having a web version to offer people is better Dec 03 00:59:28 not much makes sense yet berndhs... hence solicitation for feedback Dec 03 00:59:34 yeah yeah lcuk Dec 03 00:59:38 it adds context and allows them to easy click without having to dig :) Dec 03 00:59:39 <-- lazy bastage Dec 03 00:59:53 see, though, that's what I was looking to you for :p Dec 03 00:59:54 headfunk clearing a little for me :) Dec 03 01:00:25 berndhs so far the 'program' is sketchy Dec 03 01:00:35 * Texrat opens door for Dawn to comment Dec 03 01:00:55 i dont know if any of what I want to do is interesting for the folks offering the hardware Dec 03 01:01:03 yeah, still catching up from vacation Dec 03 01:01:16 and I don't know if I'm a trustworthy community member in good standing :P Dec 03 01:01:27 any help in putting together a structure for the program would be helpful Dec 03 01:01:28 berndhs you never know until you try... but you can always help shape the process Dec 03 01:01:36 true Dec 03 01:01:40 trying DawnFoster Dec 03 01:01:47 hey DawnFoster \o your avatar likes those cocktails! Dec 03 01:01:51 ideas for criteria, how it could be administered, etc. Dec 03 01:01:51 did you actually manage to get one in Ire? Dec 03 01:02:09 lcuk: I only drink fruity drinks from a beach chari Dec 03 01:02:12 DawnFoster I did have some suggestions... see link from lcuk above Dec 03 01:02:33 by the end of vacation, I was pretty tired of sweet drinks and switched back to wine :) Dec 03 01:02:42 berndhs we do need to define what 'meego member in good standing' means Dec 03 01:03:00 Texrat: I saw the thread you posted - we should try to get some of those ideas onto the wiki page *hint hint* :) Dec 03 01:03:07 DawnFoster, lardman drinks lots of wine, should compare notes at some point Dec 03 01:03:13 DawnFoster hence my email ;) Dec 03 01:03:40 DawnFoster I want to reshape the wiki page if you are okay with that Dec 03 01:03:44 Texrat: and I do appreciate the nudge - really need to get it in place Dec 03 01:03:51 I can move current page to 'discussion' section Dec 03 01:03:53 Texrat: please do. Dec 03 01:03:58 gladly Dec 03 01:04:14 may be this weekend Dec 03 01:04:20 Texrat: I threw it up there to give us something, but it has no real meat now Dec 03 01:04:27 want to hear from community first Dec 03 01:04:31 understood Dec 03 01:04:52 I was really excited at TI's offer of Pandaboards Dec 03 01:05:01 cool - we'll see what people have to say tomorrow when those Europeans get online :) Dec 03 01:05:12 that's pretty sweet Dec 03 01:05:39 DawnFoster have you met Jayabharath Goluguri yet? he's your counterpoart at TI Dec 03 01:05:44 I'm hoping as people start releasing devices, we can get more and more in the program Dec 03 01:06:05 I want to make sure Jay gets to next MeeGo conf Dec 03 01:06:28 Texrat: name sounds familiar - but don't think I've met him Dec 03 01:06:47 tall Indian guy... finally met in person Monday Dec 03 01:06:58 hallo Dec 03 01:06:59 he just joined MeeGo community this week Dec 03 01:07:17 his colleague Nishanth hangs out here Dec 03 01:07:30 he is developing the MeeGo Pandaboard image Dec 03 01:08:08 anyway one of my goals is to pull TI in closer to MeeGo community... helps that they are close to me Dec 03 01:09:03 and they've been really supportive so far Dec 03 01:09:06 what are those dates in the email? last month or next year ? Dec 03 01:09:11 On OBS 1.8, is it enough to run an obs-worker that I just download zypper's obs-worker and run it by rcobsworker start?? some other manual mention about LVM hard disk configuration.. Dec 03 01:09:11 great to have them even more involved Dec 03 01:10:22 berndhs was that question for me? Dec 03 01:10:57 yes, says 11/08/10 and 11/10/10 in the timeline Dec 03 01:11:42 We're a little behind :) Dec 03 01:11:46 ah Dec 03 01:12:00 10 Nov 2010... US reckoning ;) Dec 03 01:12:07 I was hoping to get it put together before the conference Dec 03 01:12:19 eh, too much needed done for conf Dec 03 01:12:19 now, we're just picking it back up Dec 03 01:12:24 you were swamped Dec 03 01:12:31 orthodox calendar, before pope Gregor maybe Dec 03 01:12:43 yeah and then I disappeared for vacation Dec 03 01:12:45 I saw you nodding off during last night of werewolf! Dec 03 01:13:15 Texrat: yeah I was going to be around 4am and getting back up by 7 every day during the conference Dec 03 01:13:31 dang those werewolf games lasting past 3am every night :) Dec 03 01:13:49 I had a blast, though. And I slept on the flight home Dec 03 01:14:10 what is this 'sleep' thing|? Dec 03 01:14:42 I got really good at that sleep thing on vacation - I miss those afternoon naps now that I'm back to real life Dec 03 01:14:59 nothing like napping in a beach chair :) Dec 03 01:17:26 man... I do miss the beach... Dec 03 01:17:48 usually we go once a year as a family but I used up all my vacation on MeeGo stuff this year Dec 03 01:18:02 surprised my wife let me live Dec 03 01:18:37 I see Quim is all over wiki tonight :D Dec 03 01:52:55 anybody can access repo.meego.com using zypper right now? Dec 03 01:53:56 morning Dec 03 01:54:05 morning Dec 03 01:54:09 morning Dec 03 01:54:24 well, evening from here .. heh Dec 03 01:54:29 araujo: pretty much anybody yes Dec 03 01:54:41 berndhs, it doesn't work for me :( Dec 03 01:54:51 you mean its up right now ? Dec 03 01:54:55 it just times out Dec 03 01:55:11 well, i cannot access it right now using zypper Dec 03 01:56:00 can you see the server ? its up from here, haven't tried zypper in a few hours Dec 03 01:57:16 berndhs, well, it seems zypper can't see it Dec 03 01:57:19 :/ Dec 03 01:57:39 can anything else see it ? like ping, or your browser ? Dec 03 01:57:54 the prowser can, ping can't Dec 03 01:57:58 browser* Dec 03 01:59:21 peculiar Dec 03 01:59:26 it looks good from here Dec 03 01:59:59 berndhs, you can ping it fine? Dec 03 02:00:07 no it doesn't like ping Dec 03 02:00:13 but it seems to talk to zypper Dec 03 02:00:43 mmm.... zypper here just times out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 03 03:00:00 2010