**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 04 02:59:59 2010 Dec 04 03:24:21 hola Dec 04 03:24:38 hello Jay_BEE Dec 04 04:19:44 any community obs users about? Dec 04 04:26:29 ferringb, whats your boggle? Dec 04 04:26:42 araujo, how have you gotten on today btw? Dec 04 04:26:59 i saw you noticed there were dailies now :) Dec 04 04:27:45 lcuk, ya!.. though still don't test it .... still using latest weekly release here.... today has been fine, mainly testing stuff :P Dec 04 04:27:57 * lcuk nods Dec 04 04:28:29 frals past an impressive milestone this evening in maemo. Dec 04 04:28:37 1 million downloads of fMMS :) Dec 04 04:28:53 i use it Dec 04 04:29:02 * lcuk does too :) Dec 04 04:29:04 slow but it gets the job done <3 Dec 04 04:29:12 i wonder why it's so slow? Dec 04 04:29:24 it's like it's pulling mms' off the network somehow Dec 04 04:29:33 *shrugs* it works Dec 04 04:29:42 maybe they're stored on the memory card? Dec 04 04:29:43 fscker, I believe the hard part is scaling the media and stuff, but you could ask him and offer to help if you notice anything Dec 04 04:29:58 not sure about the recv :) Dec 04 04:30:10 i dont really care that much:-P like i said, it gets the job done:-P Dec 04 04:30:18 indeed Dec 04 04:30:36 wow, 2 x :-P's in one sentence, been a while since ive been on irc Dec 04 04:31:11 easily done :P:P Dec 04 04:32:26 araujo, am i misremembering setting up ssh by the way, i was sure i did it over wifi (you showed usb instructions), i will check when i am less tired Dec 04 04:32:30 im thinking of buying a panda board Dec 04 04:32:47 what are you going to use it for? Dec 04 04:32:54 carpc Dec 04 04:33:02 i would like PR1.3 Dec 04 04:33:11 but nobody has done the leg work yet Dec 04 04:33:18 hm? Dec 04 04:33:27 ive seen meego ported Dec 04 04:33:41 and maemo to the beagleboard Dec 04 04:33:42 pr1.3 of what? and are you still talking about the panda? Dec 04 04:33:47 but that's PR1.1 Dec 04 04:33:55 pr1.1 of what? Dec 04 04:34:00 Maemo Dec 04 04:34:04 lcuk: found what I was after, but looking to track down the maintainers of it next Dec 04 04:34:07 on your panda? Dec 04 04:34:12 yes Dec 04 04:34:23 * lcuk rubs his eyes Dec 04 04:34:34 * lcuk looks sideways Dec 04 04:34:41 are you sure? Dec 04 04:34:50 am I sure? Dec 04 04:34:56 of what? no im not sure of anything Dec 04 04:35:00 * ferringb has he image of someone trying to insert a usb thumbdrive into a panda Dec 04 04:35:01 that's why im here!;) Dec 04 04:35:02 *the Dec 04 04:35:06 yes, maemo is not on pandaboard Dec 04 04:35:21 right Dec 04 04:35:38 so i should get a beagleboard Dec 04 04:36:01 maemo is not on the beagleboard. Dec 04 04:36:11 meego runs though :) Dec 04 04:36:16 it isnt?! Dec 04 04:36:35 lcuk, yeah, I went with USB ssh at the end Dec 04 04:36:57 http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 04 04:38:27 * lcuk blinks Dec 04 04:43:13 im very confused Dec 04 04:58:26 * lcuk remembers that now Dec 04 05:09:54 morning Dec 04 08:55:12 morning Dec 04 09:07:54 morn Dec 04 09:10:32 morn andre__ Dec 04 09:10:51 hej Dec 04 12:34:04 phew, I'm quite close in running dungeons & dragons online on my meego conference laptop Dec 04 12:34:44 too bad that it's asking for a proprietary graphics card driver now :( Dec 04 12:54:45 jgrr_: How do you play dungeons & dragons online? Dec 04 12:54:59 jgrr_: Is there something to download and install? Dec 04 12:55:16 jgrr_: …and if so, what kind of software is needed? Dec 04 12:55:31 jgrr_: How did you get it into MeeGo? Dec 04 12:56:03 jgrr_: Usually these kind of things are made by companies not capable or willing enough to produce portable software, no? Dec 04 12:56:32 jgrr_: Or is there some community version written in Java? Dec 04 12:56:51 jgrr_: Or even better a Qt-based application? Dec 04 13:04:14 jgrr_: I guess you're too busy playing dungeons and dragons to answer... Dec 04 13:06:01 msvb, I was resting, sorry :) Dec 04 13:06:16 thats a windows executable, I installed wine for that Dec 04 13:06:36 actually built from sources Dec 04 13:08:20 jgrr_: No problem. So you mean that to play dungeons and dragons you must first install wine or install windows natively? Dec 04 13:08:31 jgrr_: No other way to play dungeons and dragons, right? Dec 04 13:08:47 msvb, that's a mmo :) Dec 04 13:09:00 wine on ARM? Dec 04 13:09:04 how slow is it? Dec 04 13:09:21 jgrr_: That's a deal breaker, so dungeons and dragons will have to wait until the developers are able to code in a portable manner. Dec 04 13:09:33 jgrr_: Thanks for the advice jgrr_. Dec 04 13:09:43 jgrr_: Strange nickname, by the way. Dec 04 13:10:08 msvb, we will probably not see that happen :) Dec 04 13:10:38 anyway, I have wine on the netbook, maybe I will try to run something more simple first Dec 04 13:10:53 jacekowski: sorry I only have it on the netbook Dec 04 13:11:07 Bye bye. Dec 04 13:12:19 msvb, and I chose my nickname so that it would be unpronounceable and no one to try to call me with that irl :) Dec 04 13:57:45 I can't install U-boot because am using power kernel 46 Dec 04 13:58:06 is there a way to force U-boot ino kernel46? Dec 04 13:58:11 into* Dec 04 13:58:42 I can't run MeeGo Dec 04 13:58:48 on N900 Dec 04 14:59:16 oh oh oh Dec 04 15:19:03 niala, its magic? Dec 04 15:26:54 niala: I got the week wrong, Reading are playing next week on the 11th Dec 04 15:27:04 would be nice to watch on tv if it were on Dec 04 15:27:12 the 10th is my assignment deadline :o Dec 04 15:37:47 hmm had to unplug/replug battery in ideapad to stop it moaning about battery at 0% Dec 04 15:39:58 my laptop went "low on battery, going to hibinate Dec 04 15:40:05 "oh noes, unable to hibinate!" Dec 04 15:48:54 bah, wifi and bt gone too :S Dec 04 15:49:25 * CosmoHill is slowly falling asleep at his desk Dec 04 15:49:41 * lcuk is slowly waking up at his Dec 04 15:49:57 the bios needed a reset hmm Dec 04 15:50:07 CosmoHill, how deep is the snow Dec 04 15:50:18 * lcuk has about 8inches Dec 04 15:50:31 not that deep, most of his has melted in the rain Dec 04 15:50:45 we had a 2ft iceical that almost hit dad :o Dec 04 15:50:47 it also removed the webcam too btw Dec 04 15:50:50 thats back now Dec 04 15:50:56 webcam? Dec 04 15:50:59 :O that wouldnt have been good Dec 04 15:51:04 CosmoHill, cam on the ideapad Dec 04 15:51:20 seems the whole chain of peripherals stopped working when the battery went wonky Dec 04 15:51:36 maybe to do with the power Dec 04 15:51:52 batteries have multiple connectors, maybe it was one of them Dec 04 15:51:56 no icicles here... Dec 04 15:52:04 temperature isn't high enough for the snow to melt in the first place Dec 04 15:54:10 i think dad said it would be -5C tonight Dec 04 15:54:27 so ice everywhere Dec 04 15:55:10 temperature is rising tonight Dec 04 15:55:16 to -6 :-) Dec 04 15:57:15 two days ago, the forecast for tonight was -19 Dec 04 15:57:21 yesterday, it said it would be +3 Dec 04 15:58:32 you're not that crazy dude drinking tea in a vest outside are you? Dec 04 15:58:50 no Dec 04 15:59:05 pretty comfortable inside, double sheeting of glass on the windows Dec 04 15:59:22 oo, double glazing Dec 04 15:59:27 :) Dec 04 15:59:51 when we had our windows changed we did it in march (duno what year) but it bloody snowed that year in march Dec 04 16:43:22 evening all Dec 04 16:43:41 * odin_ thinks about putting the lenovo back together Dec 04 16:44:01 odin_, thats good, perhaps you should Dec 04 16:44:06 what did you do to it? Dec 04 16:44:55 bloody MeeGo partition manager doesn't let you setup what you want, also randomized around 160Gb of it for encrypted partitions Dec 04 16:45:26 setup with 1x250Mb /boot, 3x32Gb roots, 1x1Gb swap, 1x60Gb home, 1x90Gb data Dec 04 16:45:42 encrypted filesystem doesn't work properly anyway Dec 04 16:45:46 just fyi :) Dec 04 16:45:52 /sbin/cryptosetup should Dec 04 16:46:03 i mean the installation option Dec 04 16:46:13 you mean that strange symlink thing, when you click the button to "Encrypt /home" ? Dec 04 16:46:27 yeah, no intention is using that Dec 04 16:46:53 i dunno about symlinks... i selected "encrypt /home" during installation and it just corrupted /home beyond use Dec 04 16:46:56 had to reinstall Dec 04 16:46:57 took days to write out 160Gb from /dev/urandom to scrub it Dec 04 16:47:05 odin_, eek i just walked through the steps Dec 04 16:47:25 * lcuk_idea has faith that engineers can configure and setup system :) Dec 04 16:47:28 oh it worked for me, but seemed to remount /home/ via encrypted backing files Dec 04 16:47:35 did you think about filing bugs for getting things sorted Dec 04 16:47:52 or at least discussing with the right people about different ways of doing it Dec 04 16:48:31 still not found a internal 3G card for a decent price, think over 140 GBP Dec 04 16:48:54 sorted? I have a list of bugs to file in my pad in front of me, but need it back together first :) Dec 04 16:50:19 the worst part about filing bugs on meego is searching the bugzilla to see if it has already been reported Dec 04 16:50:29 cryptsetup/LUKS is the best encryption surely ? Dec 04 16:50:54 (not including hardware assisted/silicon controller methods) Dec 04 16:59:55 * lcuk_idea big grin Dec 04 17:07:13 ali1234, where is your uboot stuff ? I need to sort my N900 out since I put PR1.3 on it Dec 04 17:12:23 odin_: just install it from extras devel Dec 04 17:43:30 who has admin on bugzilla ? Dec 04 17:44:38 eric le roux i guess Dec 04 17:46:19 Stskeeps: accessible via irc? Dec 04 17:46:41 Stskeeps: ta... couldn't recall surname Dec 04 17:46:49 ferringb: not very often. if he's around he is ELR Dec 04 17:47:05 lbt, what do you need him for, if I'm allowed to be curious? Dec 04 17:47:21 perm upgrades for myself Dec 04 17:51:26 is stephen jaya around? Dec 04 17:51:46 neither know his nick nor if he does irc Dec 04 17:52:00 and he's off skype Dec 04 17:52:06 X-Fade: anyone else ? Dec 04 17:52:19 thiago_home: did you ever figure out what the single vector mode thing was? Dec 04 18:12:05 andre__, makes you miss the good olde days, doesn't it? Dec 04 18:12:33 GAN900, not that much. it's just a bit different right now :) Dec 04 18:12:38 Hehe Dec 04 18:31:58 * lcuk just had kfc Dec 04 18:32:51 I used to love their pulled pork sandwiches. Dec 04 18:40:00 GAN900, kentucky pulled pork? Dec 04 18:40:12 * lcuk crosses his legs Dec 04 18:43:00 hello maemo! Dec 04 18:43:33 ahem jeremiah_ Dec 04 18:46:15 jeremiah_: rebellious ;-) Dec 04 18:46:36 Myrtti, could be worse Dec 04 18:46:45 true Dec 04 18:47:02 jeremiah_, I never did run into you in Dublin. Dec 04 18:47:28 jeremiah_, do you have any input that could help with this bug Dec 04 18:47:29 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 Dec 04 18:49:22 you know, simply switching between UX isn't good enough. it has to be at least a bit consistent Dec 04 18:49:28 just my 2c Dec 04 18:49:34 ali1234, explain Dec 04 18:49:45 * lcuk values your 2c Dec 04 18:49:47 the netbook and handset UX are radically different Dec 04 18:49:57 sure Dec 04 18:49:57 moo, Jeremiah, Myrtti, lcuk Dec 04 18:50:02 \o RST38h Dec 04 18:50:10 ali1234: they should be ? Dec 04 18:50:15 yes, they should be Dec 04 18:50:23 ali1234, some places the same apps will run the same way Dec 04 18:50:37 ali1234, goodluckwiththat Dec 04 18:50:38 written correctly it shouldnt matter Dec 04 18:50:42 but on a device like the ideapad, switching between handset and netbook when the user switches the display around... this is not good enough Dec 04 18:50:53 ali1234, not what I am considering Dec 04 18:50:55 Everybody's pulling in a dozen different directions. Dec 04 18:51:13 ok, you are just making a menu to make testing easier? Dec 04 18:51:13 ali1234, no, orientation awareness is not what I am looking for Dec 04 18:51:16 thats a mode within a ux Dec 04 18:51:24 and something like the tablet would just deal Dec 04 18:52:01 but i am talking about actually being able to discuss IVI stuff with jeremiah_ by just logging into an IVI session Dec 04 18:52:14 or if I am going on a trip or something Dec 04 18:52:44 otherwise theres no reason to have a common core Dec 04 18:52:53 in general, it is too hard to tell what an application is running on, or building on Dec 04 18:53:01 sure there is, common core is all about compatibility i thought Dec 04 18:53:11 ali1234, so if they are compatible Dec 04 18:53:35 why should switching the ux be any different than switching gnome/kde/xfce Dec 04 18:53:54 compatible as in the way your TV is compatible with your DVD player... it doesn't mean they have to have the same UX or capabilities Dec 04 18:54:16 but yeah, it should be possible to switch UX without reinstalling, if only to help developers Dec 04 18:54:39 and since we are here to develop the platform.. Dec 04 18:54:54 lcuk: Because with gnome/kde/xfce, nice people standardized X11, etc Dec 04 18:54:57 ok... but it doesn't help users any :) Dec 04 18:55:10 lcuk: With the new mobile UIs, everyone does it differently Dec 04 18:55:17 hi... anybody here knows about the "qt mobility contacts backends" on meego? I noticed that the "people" (handset) and the contacts (netbook) application store the data in different places. And so far I only found a "tracker" backend that does not get data from any of the two Dec 04 18:55:30 Differentiation!!! Dec 04 18:57:03 The old UI backend design was driven by bearded academics in their ivory towers, and their students Dec 04 18:57:35 The new UI backend design is driven by nameless Google/Palm/Nokia engineers and their equally nameless management Dec 04 18:58:11 um.... what about apple? Dec 04 18:58:23 RST38h: I wish the design goals were something other than increased shininess Dec 04 18:58:31 wait... backend... ok Dec 04 18:58:43 meego: Shininess has nothing to do with backend design :) Dec 04 18:58:53 it should do Dec 04 18:59:00 lcuk: nah Dec 04 18:59:11 shiny surfaces make things run smoother Dec 04 18:59:12 it shouldn't have Dec 04 18:59:13 lcuk: at that level, it is all rectangles, plus some fonts Dec 04 18:59:28 who wants to go round a rollercoaster with dull rusty tracks Dec 04 18:59:31 and basic interactions too Dec 04 18:59:59 while we're complaing, touch interface sucks for fundamental reasons Dec 04 19:00:13 true Dec 04 19:00:21 obscuring the output to do input Dec 04 19:00:32 two hands to operate a tiny device Dec 04 19:00:33 touch is fine for some things, sucks for others Dec 04 19:00:34 berndhs_meego, depends on the funciton Dec 04 19:00:39 no system is perfect Dec 04 19:00:51 i mean, touch sucks for word processing, obviously Dec 04 19:00:53 ok, touch is good for large surfaces Dec 04 19:00:58 ali1234, really? Dec 04 19:01:00 that is not the reason for suckiness that I would consider first though Dec 04 19:01:20 touch is good for small surfaces Dec 04 19:01:29 no its awful for small surfaces Dec 04 19:01:32 portable devices where you don't want multiple parts and cables Dec 04 19:01:36 hey ali1234 Dec 04 19:01:40 we use touch interfaces all day long Dec 04 19:01:42 ali: you are only saying this because you have never tried touch on a really big surface =) Dec 04 19:01:49 for large surfaces that are not portable... just get a damn mouse already Dec 04 19:01:56 great machines have been built since the industrial revolution with amazing touch panels Dec 04 19:02:02 its used because the device doesn't support anything else Dec 04 19:02:08 anyway, it's more to do with the application, than the hardware Dec 04 19:02:16 as i said, it sucks for WP Dec 04 19:02:21 ali: example: Microsoft Surface + Porn. Dec 04 19:02:33 MS Sticky Surface Dec 04 19:02:40 it sucks for anything where you want more than multiple choce with max 4 altarnatives Dec 04 19:02:45 GAN900: I never made it to Dublin. :( Dec 04 19:02:46 ali: (if you decide to make a business of that, btw, 25% is mine =)) Dec 04 19:02:53 Work stuff. Dec 04 19:03:11 Myrtti: It feels like old times 'round here. :) Dec 04 19:03:17 jeremiah_, seriously? Dec 04 19:03:18 RST38h: moo Dec 04 19:03:22 berndhs_meego: yes, word processing is one example of that, where you have the choice of 101 keys to press :) Dec 04 19:03:29 lcuk: What bug? Dec 04 19:03:40 jeremiah_, i posted a link next line Dec 04 19:03:41 The IVI guys kept saying you were there. Dec 04 19:03:47 ali1234: right, or anything where you need precision Dec 04 19:04:05 jeremiah: are you still working for Nokia atm? Dec 04 19:04:18 GAN900: Really? Well I was supposed to be Dec 04 19:04:23 Weird Dec 04 19:04:26 But it was last minute stuff we had to do Dec 04 19:04:29 yes, photoshop and touchscreen is going to suck, but then graphic artists have their own unique input device in the graphics tablet... Dec 04 19:04:38 * lcuk does not like using visual designer on qt creator o_O Dec 04 19:04:40 on touchscreen Dec 04 19:04:46 RST38h: No, I work for a company in Sweden called Pelagicore now. Dec 04 19:04:59 lcuk: real programmers do not use visual designers :) Dec 04 19:05:18 ali1234, a digital artists program is the ideal use case for tablets :) Dec 04 19:05:29 jeremiah: Ah, still Meego-related then. Cool! Dec 04 19:05:43 RST38h: I am MeeGo IVI Release Manager. Dec 04 19:05:51 Which is kinda fun Dec 04 19:05:56 But kinda hard. Dec 04 19:06:04 RST38h, real programmers also only account for a mere fraction of the developer community. Dec 04 19:06:12 jeremiah: You mean, Intel is not doing IVI in-house? Dec 04 19:06:12 So far there are a lot of Intel packages, not a lot of ARM stuff Dec 04 19:06:30 RST38h: heh, well, kinda. Dec 04 19:06:42 jeremiah_, do you need specific packages per platform? Dec 04 19:06:43 But MeeGo is a Linux Foundation project Dec 04 19:06:48 * lcuk finds that odd with qt Dec 04 19:06:57 No, we just need to be cross-platform Dec 04 19:07:02 (I know binaries of said packages Dec 04 19:07:06 I.e. both ARM and Intel. Dec 04 19:07:15 right, so you saying intel only? Dec 04 19:07:27 We are desparate for a ARM kernel maintainer Dec 04 19:07:30 can they just be built in OBS? Dec 04 19:07:31 For IVI, ARM does notmake as much sense as for mobile Dec 04 19:07:33 Any volunteers?! Dec 04 19:07:53 RST38h: Thing is, the automotive industry uses ARM Dec 04 19:07:57 RST38h, the number of people getting beagle/panda boards to do carpcs would tell me otherwise Dec 04 19:08:02 So they are the incumbent Dec 04 19:08:21 In fact, very few, if any, In-Vehicle Infotainment systems run on Intel Dec 04 19:08:25 That will change of course Dec 04 19:08:28 But not overnight Dec 04 19:09:09 jeremiah: for audio/video stuff though??? Dec 04 19:09:16 jeremiah: No way? Dec 04 19:09:32 RST38h: I know, kinda odd. But they are conservative and reluctant to change Dec 04 19:09:36 * RST38h always though low-cost x86 was themainstay of iin-vehicle infotainment Dec 04 19:09:41 And the ARM chips are getting faster Dec 04 19:10:22 I think the first production Head Unit with Atom will debut in 2013 Dec 04 19:10:23 lcuk: tablets can ape traditional artist's canvas, but they suck for the kind of things photoshop is used for - photo manipulation etc Dec 04 19:10:36 jeremiah_, one of the collaborans, ian spyro is making a digital dash Dec 04 19:10:37 http://www.mnementh.co.uk/home/projects/golf/digital_dash Dec 04 19:10:44 hes also quite the kernel hacker Dec 04 19:11:02 he just got himself a panda to go with his beagle Dec 04 19:11:11 lcuk: I met another collaboran at Debconf who is also doing something wild with his car Dec 04 19:11:20 jeremiah_, that will be ian Dec 04 19:11:21 Oh, yeah, that was Spyro. :) Dec 04 19:11:27 long hair, beard, cloak? Dec 04 19:11:30 I thought his name was Iam Molten? Dec 04 19:11:34 yea Dec 04 19:11:35 lol Dec 04 19:11:38 spyro is his nick Dec 04 19:11:39 jeremiah: I have seen Via-based units though Dec 04 19:12:13 RST38h: Really? Interesting. I think MIPS wants to get in the game too Dec 04 19:13:03 jeremiah: MIPS is hopeless :) Dec 04 19:13:36 anyone know what happened with "creating social applications with telepathy and qt" at the conference? apparently didnt make it on the schedule Dec 04 19:13:45 jeremiah: Tried out a MIPS-based SoC last year, it has got no hope Dec 04 19:14:02 RST38h: Why? Is it slow? Dec 04 19:14:11 I don't know much about MIPS Dec 04 19:14:42 jeremiah: Binaries about twice larger than with ARM Dec 04 19:14:59 jeremiah: Antiquated assembly language created for someone's PhD thesis Dec 04 19:15:08 Yikes. Dec 04 19:15:18 jeremiah: Stack frames of 128 bytes minimum Dec 04 19:15:27 isn't that how most things come about? Dec 04 19:16:39 jeremiah: probably worked well when RAM was faster than CPU, absolute deadend nowadays though Dec 04 19:23:49 jeremiah_, ta for that little snippet, hopefully we can get a really good document together so people can easily switch and help no matter which UX they actually use mostly Dec 04 19:24:33 it just increases available eyes on the specifics as required :) Dec 04 19:25:52 lcuk: That sounds like a plan! Dec 04 19:26:14 lcuk: The only problem I see is that certain stuff in IVI just won't work without MOST/CAN/LIN Dec 04 19:26:21 Which might make for problems Dec 04 19:26:48 jeremiah_, is this not simulatable, I am sure at the meegoconf there was IVI stuff running showing fake readings Dec 04 19:27:12 Well, you can't do it in Qemu Dec 04 19:27:29 Because the work required to write the drivers for Qemu is substantial Dec 04 19:27:36 well I am not thinking simulation within qemu :) Dec 04 19:27:53 and I thought qemu was machine level abstraction? Dec 04 19:27:55 You may be able to attach some kind of daughter board, yeah Dec 04 19:28:09 qemu is processor level Dec 04 19:28:17 or does IVI require hardware dongle? Dec 04 19:28:23 lcuk, hooked into a real hardware device, though. Dec 04 19:28:32 \o araujo Dec 04 19:28:41 lcuk: It most like will require some kind of dongle and connection to a MOST network. Dec 04 19:29:04 But I think some of the CAN stuff is in the Linux kernel so that should be testable Dec 04 19:29:32 I want an all-glass instrument panel and hud. Dec 04 19:30:08 heh Dec 04 19:30:55 GAN900, stick a goldfish bowl on your head and ride a bike. Dec 04 19:31:06 lcuk, o/ ! Dec 04 19:31:09 how it goes lcuk ? Dec 04 19:31:54 its good, feeling much more lively and able to breath now Dec 04 19:31:59 hi RevdKathy \o Dec 04 19:32:07 good :) Dec 04 19:32:10 Evening lcuk - glad you're feeling better! Dec 04 19:32:27 indeed Dec 04 19:32:32 Is teebee as well? Dec 04 19:32:50 um... qemu-n900 simulates most of the n900 hardware... like the keyboard (i2c) Dec 04 19:33:03 i2c is not a million miles from can Dec 04 19:33:51 making a driver for simulated hardware is not difficult, you just make your driver claim the appropriate memory ranges and raise the correct interrupts Dec 04 19:37:30 What should I do if Software Update says "Not supported by this backend"? Dec 04 19:39:36 RevdKathy, yes, all seemingly returning to good health here. Dec 04 19:40:01 That's good to hear. lcuk. And you shouldn't catch anything now for Christmas :-) Dec 04 19:40:41 GAN900:All glass panel is obviously notenough Dec 04 19:41:40 GAN900: And while I understand that a deadly laser is too much to ask (from physicspoint of view), can I at least least hope for a rocket launche? Dec 04 19:41:42 r Dec 04 19:43:01 I have two laptops with cooling fans going like crazy: Dec 04 19:43:22 one is running a very CPU intensive program twice, using one core each Dec 04 19:43:31 RST38h, fire and forget rockets, or remote controllable unreal tournament redeemer style? Dec 04 19:43:34 the other is watching youtube Dec 04 19:43:52 lcuk: fire and forget Dec 04 19:43:52 the youtube one requires more power Dec 04 19:43:56 * RST38h isn't fancy Dec 04 19:44:02 try watching a relaxing video rather than something strenuous Dec 04 19:53:01 RST38h, see, my problem with that is that it means other people will have them too. Dec 04 19:53:17 and I know I'm not a perfect driver (although damn close *g*). Dec 04 19:56:23 You mean,if other people get glass panels just like yours, you are ok with that? =) Dec 04 20:03:05 you will need AC inside the fish bowl Dec 04 20:43:08 finnish speakers, can you show me on a map where this is: http://www.uuttahelsinkia.fi/jatkasaari/perustiedot/webcam-jatkasaareen Dec 04 20:43:23 its been in my bookmarks for a while but its actual location lost in time Dec 04 20:55:04 lcuk, that's cool, I'm saving that :) Dec 04 20:56:35 * lcuk translated it Dec 04 20:56:47 but cant get a mapping service to find it Dec 04 20:57:39 ahhh http://www.uuttahelsinkia.fi/sites/default/files/u5/jatkas.jpg Dec 04 20:58:15 no wonder it looked familiar :P its the view out of radisson blu window! Dec 04 20:58:19 lcuk: i think it is Helsinki Dec 04 20:58:34 yes :) Dec 04 20:58:47 * lcuk has lots of photos of it Dec 04 21:10:12 lcuk; tis pretty :3 Dec 04 21:13:08 if my cluster was up and running I could do my testing a lot faster Dec 04 21:16:34 CosmoHill, yeah it is :) i just couldnt relate the photo I had in bookmarks with my other photos Dec 04 21:18:45 CosmoHill, how much data must pass between the nodes on your cluster, ie can you have nodes at college and at home on the same group Dec 04 21:19:51 I'm not to sure I understnad your question Dec 04 21:20:18 the slave nodes are own a private network and can only access the internet through the head nodes Dec 04 21:20:51 the headnodes are currently disconnected from the network incase I break something Dec 04 21:22:26 If I wanted to use the nodes from home I'd have to log into the headnode and then each node in turn Dec 04 21:24:53 lcuk: oh yeah the switch on the private network is going :/ Dec 04 21:31:21 CosmoHill, who in meego do you live near btw? Dec 04 21:31:35 erm Dec 04 21:31:37 I have no idea Dec 04 21:31:48 there are people in london and cambridge Dec 04 21:33:01 next to CosmoHill is Cquad and corecode ;) Dec 04 21:33:26 stop looking at my assignments Dec 04 22:35:15 join #meego-dev Dec 04 22:35:54 no Dec 04 22:36:53 :) Dec 04 22:37:15 thanks for the invitation though Dec 04 22:39:48 kkkk it was just my mistake! :) i will put /_join #meego and I forgot the slash :) Dec 04 22:41:03 :) Dec 04 23:40:23 it's quiet Dec 04 23:41:16 yes it is Dec 04 23:41:44 boobies Dec 04 23:41:44 that's very funny, we are often the only geeks alive at these hours of the night Dec 04 23:42:24 at least in Finland, most of the people are either sleeping or having a party at saturdays Dec 04 23:42:32 at this time Dec 04 23:44:39 or sleeping at a party Dec 04 23:44:59 *in Dec 04 23:45:14 helo thebootroo_ Dec 04 23:45:31 niala: good evening / night Dec 04 23:46:03 matrixx: yes a party Dec 04 23:46:09 CosmoHill: yes sleeping Dec 04 23:46:19 sometines i sleep at party Dec 04 23:46:22 huh, that's not what I said Dec 04 23:46:35 When will the first handset with Meego be released? Dec 04 23:46:47 halvors: we don't know Dec 04 23:46:48 next year Dec 04 23:46:57 oh wait, yes niala is right Dec 04 23:46:58 ok Dec 04 23:47:11 which month? Dec 04 23:47:12 long weekend for Finns this week as I understand Dec 04 23:47:12 maybe next year in december Dec 04 23:47:18 Nothing in december? Dec 04 23:47:36 december??? oh, come on Dec 04 23:47:40 the N9 will be out in january or february, isn't it? Dec 04 23:47:44 nop halvors i don't think so... Dec 04 23:47:54 Next year in december? Dec 04 23:47:58 ptl: sorry orry i don't know Dec 04 23:48:07 it was a joke don't believe me Dec 04 23:48:08 collaborative irc games would be awesome :) Dec 04 23:48:13 meego the MMORG Dec 04 23:48:19 RPG even Dec 04 23:48:22 What you gays think it the best Meego phone i can buy when it is released? Dec 04 23:48:29 Consumer Electronics in Las Vegas or MWC is probably the date we know it ;) Dec 04 23:48:56 lcuk: collaborative irc game? Dec 04 23:50:15 halvors: with no product yet it's difficult to know but n900 it's a good start.. Dec 04 23:51:05 oh he s angry he have left Dec 04 23:51:48 :( Dec 04 23:51:53 oh well Dec 04 23:52:30 it's the vendors who annoce when meego will be in they're phone Dec 04 23:53:08 maybe never.... Dec 04 23:53:28 * niala kick niala Dec 04 23:55:51 * thebootroo_ spreads niala with a plastic little spoon Dec 04 23:56:17 [15:38] maybe next year in december <--- hehe Dec 04 23:56:59 thebootroo_: spreads is not in google.translate Dec 04 23:57:05 héhé Dec 04 23:57:51 Jay_BEE: waouh 15h38 the earth is big Dec 04 23:58:09 niala: i don't know i don't use Google translator Dec 04 23:58:56 niala: [FR] spreads = troisième personne du singulier sur le verbe to spread : disperser voire (dans mon cas) désintégrer Dec 04 23:59:21 ohh thank you for the lesson :) Dec 04 23:59:23 [15:38] the N9 will be out in january or february, isn't it? <--- Nokia announced the N9?!? Dec 04 23:59:33 * Jay_BEE goes to Nokia's website to find the press release Dec 04 23:59:43 niala: ur welcum Dec 05 00:01:06 I hate it when people shorted the word "come" Dec 05 00:01:22 thebootroo_: cum cum cum yourself!! :) Dec 05 00:01:28 lol... typing n9 at nokiausa.com search box autocorrects to n900 Dec 05 00:01:49 * CosmoHill wonders if niala knows what that word means Dec 05 00:02:17 maybe n900 is the best phone for 5 years again Dec 05 00:02:56 CosmoHill: hey thebootroo_ has start. it's not me sir :) Dec 05 00:03:22 hm, anybody thought about flashing the n8 with meego? Dec 05 00:03:29 you can't Dec 05 00:03:50 images have to be signed by nokia before you can flash the n8 Dec 05 00:03:59 urgs Dec 05 00:04:15 the boot loader won't let unsigned images be installed / booted Dec 05 00:07:19 as expected, "0 search results for n9" Dec 05 00:08:13 n9 battleship Dec 05 00:10:18 CosmoHill: you re still in irc stats ? Dec 05 00:10:26 probably Dec 05 00:10:34 either that or I need to go on a killing spree Dec 05 00:11:37 and finish in Sun first page Dec 05 00:11:52 that's not a real news paper Dec 05 00:13:02 i dont know I only know it have a special central page Dec 05 00:13:28 niala: search "russel howard newspapers" Dec 05 00:17:10 CosmoHill: i understand nothing. he speak like a train. but i like his shoes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyOfUFEjuBA Dec 05 00:18:50 create a .spec from null is very boring Dec 05 00:19:15 I have a template if you'd like Dec 05 00:19:21 good morning Dec 05 00:20:11 good night Termana Dec 05 00:20:39 CosmoHill: yes i like Dec 05 00:21:17 http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/template.spec Dec 05 00:25:33 thank you CosmoHill. Dec 05 00:25:41 you're welcome Dec 05 00:31:47 niala: may I ask, what do you do for a living? Dec 05 00:36:34 network administrator/technician/etc but actually unemployed since 6month Dec 05 00:36:39 CosmoHill: Dec 05 00:36:49 aww Dec 05 00:37:20 yes welcome crisis Dec 05 00:37:41 right, I'm gonna roll over and sleep Dec 05 00:37:43 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 05 02:59:58 2010