**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 07 02:59:58 2010
Dec 07 03:44:40 <Jay_BEE> hiyas
Dec 07 05:22:19 <cecho> does the meego sdk support fedora14?
Dec 07 05:23:28 <cecho> is there anyone could answer me?
Dec 07 05:24:40 <mortenmj> give it time, dude. this is irc, not a phone call
Dec 07 05:26:18 <cecho> oh,im sorry
Dec 07 05:26:25 <mortenmj> don't be. just wait
Dec 07 05:29:16 <Jay_BEE> http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux  <-- I see Fedora 12 and 13 listed here and the specific instructions for Fedora do not appear to be version specific
Dec 07 05:32:31 <cecho> thankyou  Jay_bee
Dec 07 05:32:58 <Jay_BEE> no problem, good luck
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Dec 07 08:47:57 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 07 09:11:49 <lbt> morning Jaffa
Dec 07 09:34:15 <Myrtti> moin
Dec 07 09:34:22 <CosmoHill> hola
Dec 07 09:43:56 <dneary> Looking for the meego trademark registration, I also found that Meegos was registered by an Australian company 5 years ago
Dec 07 09:44:33 <dneary> http://www.meegos.com/
Dec 07 09:44:35 <X-Fade> dneary: Well I can even register MeeGo today.
Dec 07 09:44:50 <dneary> X-Fade, Sure you can.
Dec 07 09:45:01 <dneary> In the Netherlands/Europe, you mean? Or in the US?
Dec 07 09:45:06 <X-Fade> US even.
Dec 07 09:45:15 <dneary> You just can't register is as a trademark for a software product
Dec 07 09:45:18 <X-Fade> If you target a completely different field.
Dec 07 09:45:22 <X-Fade> Yeah.
Dec 07 09:45:39 <X-Fade> But check the google timeline for Meego.
Dec 07 09:45:50 <X-Fade> It used to be a lot more popular than now.
Dec 07 09:49:33 <rumohr>  whatfor do i need MADDE in SDK? doesn't it do the same job like the Qt Creator?
Dec 07 09:52:50 <v_zaitsev> no, MADDE is the cross-compiling solution, Qt Creator is the IDE
Dec 07 09:55:11 <rumohr> so qt uses madde for compiling?
Dec 07 09:55:19 <rumohr> or does qt have an own compiler?
Dec 07 10:02:36 <hhurtta> i think qt uses whatver compiler, but working outside gcc/g++ or visual studio may prove to be a bit awkward :)
Dec 07 10:02:48 <hhurtta> qtcreator uses madde for cross compiling
Dec 07 10:03:24 <rumohr> k. thx
Dec 07 10:06:02 <lcuk> sabotage, thank you.  thats a really great writeup :)
Dec 07 10:06:42 <lcuk> bug 10874 being verified today :)
Dec 07 10:06:45 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, RESO FIXED, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup
Dec 07 10:17:04 <CosmoHill> I have a line of code that reads:
Dec 07 10:17:05 <CosmoHill>     kill(finalPID, SIGINT); // Kill them all, mwhahah
Dec 07 10:34:14 <slaine> sabotage, nice writeup, thanks
Dec 07 10:34:25 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: dpi?
Dec 07 10:34:27 <Stskeeps> er
Dec 07 10:34:28 <slaine> lcuk, congrats on getting the bug squashed ;)
Dec 07 10:34:35 <Stskeeps> writeup, slaine?
Dec 07 10:34:51 <slaine> Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops
Dec 07 10:35:04 <slaine> switching between Handset and Netbook on a netbook
Dec 07 10:35:06 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 07 10:36:05 <pexi> any info when ovi maps api is going to be public?
Dec 07 10:39:52 <lcuk> yeah slaine, those instructions seem practical enought that anyone with an ideapad could find them useful.
Dec 07 10:40:05 <slaine> nod
Dec 07 10:47:27 <CosmoHill> dammit why is it so hard to read a line
Dec 07 10:48:33 <lbt> <>
Dec 07 10:49:00 <lcuk> CosmoHill, just sound out the letters of the word you are upto
Dec 07 10:49:03 <lcuk> :P
Dec 07 10:49:16 <CosmoHill> har har
Dec 07 11:00:18 <sumanth_> Hi, is there any platform api available to generate vibration on MeeGo.com
Dec 07 11:04:59 <lcuk> sumanth_, when you are on http://meego.com press and hold down F11
Dec 07 11:05:43 <Saviq> rotfl
Dec 07 11:06:38 <lcuk> but in general, at the lower levels its device specific but look at qt mobility feedback api
Dec 07 11:12:45 <Jarodan_> jarod
Dec 07 11:15:16 <sumanth_> Qt Mobility has one as per the documentation but i couldn't find it in my SDK..
Dec 07 11:16:06 <lcuk> sumanth_, which version of mobility have you got
Dec 07 11:16:26 <lcuk> and are you trying to get vibration out from within emulated sdk or real hardware?
Dec 07 11:19:58 <sumanth_> <lcuk> i am trying it on the device itself.
Dec 07 11:20:13 <lcuk> which device
Dec 07 11:20:25 <sumanth_> lcuk am trying on N900 device
Dec 07 11:25:51 <lcuk> hmm
Dec 07 11:26:50 <lcuk> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/index.html#platform-compatibility
Dec 07 11:27:01 <lcuk> the compatability chart does not list meego directly
Dec 07 11:30:43 <sumanth_> lcuk: but i was able to find the .so's for QFeedback on the device, so is there any way i can install the package to my sdk
Dec 07 11:30:59 <JaMa> Stskeeps: Hi, FYI I used sources from your u-boot.tar.gz and pushed those to gitorious repo http://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot with other u-boot n900 related sources I've found..
Dec 07 11:31:44 <lcuk> sumanth_, its entirely feasible at this time that even with the .so the internal functions within may not be wired up
Dec 07 11:32:04 <lcuk> and I cannot actually recall whether there is any vibra feedback on meego on n900 right now
Dec 07 11:32:09 <lcuk> (anyone else recall?)
Dec 07 11:35:56 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: I had some questions about getting meego on a slate, got a min?
Dec 07 11:41:37 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, how about you just ask :)
Dec 07 11:41:54 <lcuk> or rather talk.try to solve yourself by explaining
Dec 07 11:43:49 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: did try asking a few times yesterday. I've got the netbook image up and running, I just don't know what other stuff (for e.g. from the handset) would be needed/useful for slate operation (touchscreen is getting in sometime today or tomorrow it looks like).
Dec 07 11:44:27 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, is your netbook stuff installed on a slate/
Dec 07 11:44:31 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: I did find the wiki page on the onscreen keyboard, and the one that slaine just posted about switching between handset and netbook, wouldn't have nkown to ask about them cuz I didn't know they existed
Dec 07 11:44:41 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: it's not a slate yet, taking advantage of htey keyboard while I can
Dec 07 11:44:51 <lcuk> so is it a touchscreen device?
Dec 07 11:45:23 <lcuk> because I find one of the most important things about a UX is how touchy feely it is. :)
Dec 07 11:45:50 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: true, as I said I'm trying to get some basics set up so that I can mess with it once I get the touchscreen in
Dec 07 11:46:39 <magius_pendragon> just trying to figure out what I'm getting myself into lol
Dec 07 11:46:51 <lcuk> well I am going to be looking at putting the handset ux ontop of the ideapad today, using the writeup sabotage so skillfully prepared
Dec 07 11:55:24 <vilvo> weekly qa-tools meeting at #meego-meeting in five minutes. welcome!
Dec 07 12:53:13 <slaine> lcuk, am doing a fresh install and trying that too
Dec 07 12:53:30 <lcuk> slaine, :) nice, good luck
Dec 07 12:53:35 <abstract3d> try what?
Dec 07 12:53:55 <slaine> abstract3d: running the handset ux on a netbook install
Dec 07 12:54:02 <lcuk> for lenovo ideapad owners: changing the UX from netbook to other alternatives http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 resulted in http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops
Dec 07 12:54:16 <slaine> lcuk, applies to any netbook
Dec 07 12:54:24 <abstract3d> ah ok.. i don't know how :$ i just made it to run @VirtualBox (meego netbook 1.1)
Dec 07 12:54:32 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: you got it working?
Dec 07 12:54:49 <slaine> obviously the ideapad has a touchscreen which is an added benefit
Dec 07 12:54:51 <lcuk> of course slaine, but since we KNOW theres a whole bunch of people with ideapads specifically running that meego build
Dec 07 12:54:52 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: yes, but it has a "delay"
Dec 07 12:54:58 <lcuk> it is a practical thing :)
Dec 07 12:55:17 <lcuk> slaine, jeremiah_ is also reviewing it from IVI perspective :)
Dec 07 12:55:34 <slaine> yeah, in theory should be able to run any ux on there
Dec 07 12:56:08 <lcuk> yip
Dec 07 12:56:44 <abstract3d> still i got some questions for some "keywords" but i will search for them later when i'll finish with h/w
Dec 07 12:56:44 <lcuk> I suppose I should get off my backside and grab my ideapad to try it
Dec 07 12:56:56 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: last time I was poking around in here, you said that some people were interested in LVM. Do you know who I can talk to to get working on that?
Dec 07 12:58:00 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: what sort of delay?
Dec 07 12:58:36 <abstract3d> well i am moving the cursor, but the virtual machine has a delay, its 1-2 sec slower than my cursor speed inside vm
Dec 07 12:59:01 <magius_pendragon> wow that's a big delay
Dec 07 12:59:06 <lcuk_idea> abstract3d, thats quite a bit of lag, i usually have less when using VNC across the world
Dec 07 12:59:24 <abstract3d> i don't know how to do that working right
Dec 07 12:59:32 <abstract3d> maybe it's gl support -.-
Dec 07 12:59:49 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: could be that, but I would look at ram usage first
Dec 07 12:59:51 <lcuk_idea> when I was using xephr x86 handset sdk there was no lag like that
Dec 07 13:00:00 <lcuk_idea> what are you running, handset or netbook?
Dec 07 13:00:23 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: could be thrashing
Dec 07 13:00:33 <abstract3d> lcuk_idea: netbook
Dec 07 13:01:10 <lcuk_idea> what is the host system configuration (cpu chipset gfx card?)
Dec 07 13:02:48 <lcuk_idea> RST38h, you know about xchat on maemo more than most.  are your patches generic to xchat/gtk or did they involve specific hildonisations?
Dec 07 13:03:50 <RST38h> lcuk: I did not do any hildon-specific stuff
Dec 07 13:04:15 <RST38h> lcuk: So, yes, most of my stuff can either go upstream, or it is delimited with specific MAEMO-related #ifdefs
Dec 07 13:04:19 <lcuk_idea> ok cool RST38h, so it should be possible to try the maemo build on meego?
Dec 07 13:04:31 <abstract3d> c2d T9400 2.53 GHz, Nvidia 9600M, 4GB RAM. i tried also to give 2 CPU to VM and 2GB ram but nothing
Dec 07 13:04:37 <RST38h> Depends on how much hildonization has been done BEFORE me
Dec 07 13:04:58 <lcuk_idea> just thinking consistency of course there is a build available on the netbook (what I am typing in now)
Dec 07 13:05:14 <lcuk_idea> thx, we can certainly investigate it
Dec 07 13:05:35 <abstract3d> lcuk_idea:c2d T9400 2.53 GHz, Nvidia 9600M, 4GB RAM. i tried also to give 2 CPU to VM and 2GB ram but nothing
Dec 07 13:06:04 <lcuk_idea> abstract3d, i might be off base here, but thats not a supported graphics card.
Dec 07 13:06:20 <abstract3d> i need intel GPU right? :$
Dec 07 13:06:28 <abstract3d> as i have read @forums etc
Dec 07 13:06:42 <abstract3d> but why not make it work @virtualbox :/ this is not fair :$
Dec 07 13:07:16 <lcuk_idea> well initially yes, but now with announced involvement from AMD the range of cards should also expand (I hope I am right that it should include ati stuff too???)
Dec 07 13:07:33 <lcuk_idea> abstract3d, best would be if you can actually try to diagnose the  problem
Dec 07 13:07:37 <abstract3d> well ati sucks generally @linux
Dec 07 13:08:01 <lcuk_idea> and if it is found to be a graphics specific problem see what can be done
Dec 07 13:08:09 <abstract3d> ati-support is awfull and painfull for most of users to maintain their system with ATI GPUs
Dec 07 13:08:34 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: what % of your free ram is hte 2G? I've had serious slowness when I had too little free ram after booting a vm
Dec 07 13:08:57 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: 50% but host OS during VM use only 600MB max
Dec 07 13:09:39 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: wow, you have your host that lite? kudos
Dec 07 13:10:02 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: how many cores does your cpu have?
Dec 07 13:10:06 <abstract3d> its a Gentoo install with some kde metapackages
Dec 07 13:10:14 <abstract3d> 2 cores (c2d T9400 setup)
Dec 07 13:10:29 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: I use gentoo with gnome, but I'm currently running at 3.39 GB ram used
Dec 07 13:10:35 <abstract3d> :o
Dec 07 13:10:37 <magius_pendragon> of course most of that is chrome
Dec 07 13:11:29 <abstract3d> well i have arround 20 tabs in chrome right now, i have kmail (and whole kontact suite) and i am using 950MB of ram) with skype & choqok & kopete and some others services
Dec 07 13:11:46 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: I have closer to 120 :p
Dec 07 13:12:23 <abstract3d> lol
Dec 07 13:13:10 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: might just be 3d support, just trying to think of alternatives
Dec 07 13:15:52 <abstract3d> well before doing anything i have to learn what is xephyr etc. it would be awesome a reference with all those keywords explained :P
Dec 07 13:16:45 <lcuk> abstract3d, find out and add to http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary
Dec 07 13:17:06 <abstract3d> lcuk: aha.. :D
Dec 07 13:17:36 <abstract3d> well, i can create wiki page if i want right?
Dec 07 13:17:44 <lcuk> yes
Dec 07 13:18:24 <abstract3d> nice :)
Dec 07 13:18:25 <lcuk> and when you do if it requires glossarying, add brief description and link to it there also :)
Dec 07 13:19:05 <abstract3d> i will try to create a Meego 1.1 Netbook inside VBox wiki page later
Dec 07 13:19:22 <lcuk> try searching first :)
Dec 07 13:19:27 <lcuk> someone might be ahead of you
Dec 07 13:19:36 <abstract3d> hm.. only for 1.0 i have found :$
Dec 07 13:20:32 <abstract3d> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.1_Netbook_VirtualBox
Dec 07 13:20:48 <abstract3d> nothing there :)
Dec 07 13:21:56 <v_zaitsev> now with the IdeaPad I find I don't want to mess around with Xephyrs, Intel graphics, virtualization features etc. I just compile on my Linux PC and run on the netbook that has MeeGo 1.1 in it
Dec 07 13:22:20 <Fansy> anybody knows how to open terminal and chrom at the same time? in my meego netbook.
Dec 07 13:23:22 <v_zaitsev> hnh, nothing special needed, just open the apps and use? :)
Dec 07 13:24:29 <lcuk> v_zaitsev, its much simpler isn't it :)
Dec 07 13:24:49 <lcuk> but still required to use obs for sharing with others
Dec 07 13:25:23 <v_zaitsev> yeah sometimes i feel people take the SDK requirements too literally, like, oh noes I don't have Intel graphics or VT virt, i am doomed
Dec 07 13:25:56 <lcuk> well historically, they were
Dec 07 13:26:03 <abstract3d> if someone want to use OBS must have opensuse ? (:$)
Dec 07 13:26:06 <lcuk> unless they were code ninja that is
Dec 07 13:26:19 <lcuk> abstract3d, no
Dec 07 13:26:37 <abstract3d> ah nice
Dec 07 13:26:47 <abstract3d> i want to build my perfect environment
Dec 07 13:27:44 <abstract3d> (joke) :P .. perfect for me.. i will give a try to fedora / opensuse / ubuntu inside vbox
Dec 07 13:27:45 <lcuk> blue sky, cotton wool clouds, gentle breeze, lovely fresh sea air.  sound of waves lapping on the shore
Dec 07 13:27:50 <lcuk> my perfect environment.
Dec 07 13:28:09 <abstract3d> yeah absolutely :P
Dec 07 13:28:56 <abstract3d> i will give it a try also to build meego-sdk inside gentoo from git
Dec 07 13:29:33 <lcuk> abstract3d, as long as you don't ask me to hold your beer whilst you do it, then good luck!
Dec 07 13:34:08 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: well I got partway there (using handset ui following directions), i get a mouse and background but nothing else :/
Dec 07 13:38:15 <rumohr> where do i find information about the meego-app-lifecycle? (when will apps be fully closed, what happens, if they are in the backgroud, etc..)
Dec 07 13:40:20 <abstract3d> rumohr: http://meego.com/developers/meego-application-development-cycle ?
Dec 07 13:40:35 <rumohr> thx, but not the development cycle...
Dec 07 13:41:13 <abstract3d> ah sorry :$
Dec 07 13:42:06 <rumohr> android apps, for example, are not closed, if you "close" them.. they are getting closed, when the phone needs more memory than there is free..
Dec 07 13:42:24 <rumohr> otherwise they are only in the background
Dec 07 13:42:41 <abstract3d> yeah
Dec 07 13:42:46 <abstract3d> that is awesome
Dec 07 13:42:57 <abstract3d> that's why my friend wants to smack that phone :P
Dec 07 13:43:05 <rumohr> :)
Dec 07 13:43:26 <abstract3d> i think that, as at maemo, when you don't want an app u can just close it
Dec 07 13:43:44 <abstract3d> android can't do that
Dec 07 13:44:08 <abstract3d> also you can always kil proccess for every service running (another way to terminate applications)
Dec 07 13:44:55 <abstract3d> i think that that's the way tha meego works also, but not sure. it would be better to have some more specific :D
Dec 07 13:46:29 <chr1s> damn ISP
Dec 07 13:47:36 <lcuk> question:  anyone know how I can allow my netbook lid to be closed but the device not to go to slee/disconnect network
Dec 07 13:47:50 <lcuk> its a bit unruly having to keep the lid open all the time else drop off ssh
Dec 07 13:48:08 <lcuk> errr this is lenovo ideapad running netbook
Dec 07 13:48:46 <abstract3d> well, when you close lid netbook doen't come in "sleep" mode?
Dec 07 13:48:49 <lcuk> my other lenovo running ubuntu (this one) works well and just turns the screen off after I set the power options
Dec 07 13:49:10 <lcuk> abstract3d, i dont want it to
Dec 07 13:49:39 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: I've actually been wondering the same thing
Dec 07 13:49:48 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: because once I finish this mod, I won't have a lid :p
Dec 07 13:49:53 <abstract3d> lets try to find the config files etc inside meego :D
Dec 07 13:50:04 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, thats easy enough
Dec 07 13:50:34 <lcuk> abstract3d, :) if you are more confortable digging, then please do
Dec 07 13:50:47 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: howso?
Dec 07 13:50:55 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, with lid flipped into slate mode its ok because it just blanks as expected
Dec 07 13:51:39 <lcuk> but i am used to just opening the lid of normal laptop and carrying on working (without ever disconnecting from network)
Dec 07 13:51:41 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: I think you misunderstand me; I'm throwing out the chasis and putting the hardware into a slate.
Dec 07 13:51:44 * lcuk closes lid on ideapad now
Dec 07 13:51:50 <abstract3d> lcuk: i suppose that /proc/acpi/sleep is the file that "does" that job
Dec 07 13:51:55 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, the ideapad is a slate :)
Dec 07 13:52:08 <lcuk> it just has a keyboard in the middle of it :D
Dec 07 13:52:12 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: I thought it was convertable
Dec 07 13:52:45 <lcuk> tomato, tomato.  once you flip the lid is there any difference?
Dec 07 13:52:50 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: to be more specific, I was trying to figure out how to alter behavior of the xevents (i thought gnome used to have settings for them, but apparently meego has gotten rid of some of the settings I'm used to :p)
Dec 07 13:53:21 <abstract3d> well, lcuk http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disable-suspend-when-i-close-the-laptop-lid-718591/
Dec 07 13:53:32 <abstract3d> meego is a linux so the same would be there
Dec 07 13:54:17 <abstract3d> except if its there any other power managment by MeeGo UX
Dec 07 13:56:15 <lcuk> ok so now completely off the network
Dec 07 13:56:39 <lcuk> which doesnt help much with walking round the house!
Dec 07 13:57:05 <lcuk> abstract3d, will look/try/talk about it more, thanks for tip
Dec 07 13:57:47 <abstract3d> luist: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=358
Dec 07 13:57:53 <abstract3d> lcuk: *
Dec 07 13:57:56 <rumohr> where do i find information about the meego-app-lifecycle? (when will apps be fully closed, what happens, if they are in the backgroud, etc..) lcuk, do you perhabs know about it?
Dec 07 13:58:15 <lcuk> rumohr, on which ux?
Dec 07 13:58:22 <rumohr> handset
Dec 07 13:58:43 <lcuk> afaik applications have normal linux lifecycle
Dec 07 13:58:47 <lcuk> just regular apps?
Dec 07 13:58:47 <rumohr> are there differences between handset and netbook?
Dec 07 13:58:48 <rumohr> ah
Dec 07 13:58:49 <rumohr> okay
Dec 07 13:58:57 <rumohr> thought so, but couldn't find anything
Dec 07 13:59:05 <abstract3d> rumohr: no they are all linux :)
Dec 07 13:59:07 <abstract3d> plain linux
Dec 07 13:59:10 <rumohr> do you know wich taskmanager is used in meego?
Dec 07 13:59:25 <abstract3d> rumohr: you can allways zypper install htop
Dec 07 13:59:31 <rumohr> yes, regular apps. not services
Dec 07 13:59:45 <abstract3d> every service has a pid
Dec 07 13:59:46 <rumohr> ok
Dec 07 13:59:51 <abstract3d> u can kill every pid you want
Dec 07 14:00:16 <lcuk> lid open
Dec 07 14:00:17 <abstract3d> rumohr: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/show-all-running-processes-in-linux/
Dec 07 14:01:08 <rumohr> yes i know how. thx.
Dec 07 14:01:42 <lcuk> abstract3d, thanks for link
Dec 07 14:01:54 <abstract3d> lcuk: nope :)
Dec 07 14:02:01 <abstract3d> it works?
Dec 07 14:02:11 <lcuk> i just opened my lid
Dec 07 14:02:12 <lcuk> ..
Dec 07 14:02:21 <lcuk> still waiting for it to come back to life
Dec 07 14:02:32 <lcuk> if maemo on n900 was like this we wouldnt get anything done
Dec 07 14:02:40 <abstract3d> :$
Dec 07 14:02:56 <lcuk> ahh password
Dec 07 14:02:57 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: i have to hit a key or somethign to get it to come back
Dec 07 14:03:00 <magius_pendragon> and then passwd
Dec 07 14:03:11 <lcuk> it comes back on its own but takes time
Dec 07 14:03:24 <lcuk> people thought it kept crashing, it just takes far too long
Dec 07 14:03:37 <lcuk> 4 minutes from lid open to network back, eep
Dec 07 14:05:44 <abstract3d> wow
Dec 07 14:05:48 <abstract3d> thats lot of time :$
Dec 07 14:08:35 <lcuk> hehe "I have done the same thing, It should be like a refrigerator, the light goes out when you close the door, but the cool music keeps a happening"       http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=9799&postcount=21
Dec 07 14:25:21 <lbt> ok
Dec 07 14:25:32 <lbt> EWRONGWINDOW
Dec 07 14:27:18 <rumohr> ^
Dec 07 14:27:20 <rumohr> ^^
Dec 07 14:45:09 <bobdole369> Has anyone gotten MeeGo to boot in a Virtualbox?
Dec 07 14:45:20 <Appiah> yupp
Dec 07 14:45:24 <Appiah> I did long ago...
Dec 07 14:46:59 <Appiah> (meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img) bobdole369
Dec 07 14:47:08 <bobdole369> There we go - google is my friend.
Dec 07 14:47:47 <Appiah> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox#Installing_VirtualBox_guest_additions_for_OpenGL_acceleration
Dec 07 14:47:54 <Appiah> but there i's 1.1 now so...
Dec 07 14:49:09 <bobdole369> Needed "Linux/Fedora" and "Enable PAE" - now booted into (installtion). A couple errors went by (AGP), but otherwise now graphical and looks to want to install.
Dec 07 14:49:12 <bobdole369> Tnx
Dec 07 14:49:55 <odin_> berndhs, are you Mr Stramm ?  and did meet you first on Sunday afternoon at the SDK talk ?
Dec 07 14:56:35 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: do you happen to know what's the state of cpufreq on meego netbook?
Dec 07 14:56:55 <magius_pendragon> or anyone really
Dec 07 14:57:05 <odin_> cat /proc/acpi/cpu*/*/something ?
Dec 07 14:57:57 <odin_> or you mean power management control, as in a UI application to enforce user settings ?
Dec 07 14:58:45 <magius_pendragon> odin_: well both really, wanted to look into different governers etc., and if there's a UI app for it, awesome if not I was thinking about writing one
Dec 07 14:59:21 <odin_> try and bolt it into the existing settings framework (think it's python), I noted there was nothing for PM on lenevo
Dec 07 15:00:05 <X-Fade> anaZ: ping? Any ETA on opening the Core OBS api?
Dec 07 15:01:24 <magius_pendragon> odin_: yeah I don't knwo that the kernel mod is enabled
Dec 07 15:01:55 <odin_> not sure either, sorry.... /sbin/lsmod and dmesg | less ?
Dec 07 15:02:26 <odin_> find the user-space tooling for desktop install/compile and try it
Dec 07 15:03:45 <magius_pendragon> odin_: what do you mean, user-space tooling?
Dec 07 15:04:36 <odin_> well I presume some desktop versions of Linux has UI/cmdline-tooling for supporting it, even if its some GNOME/KDE control panel item/setting
Dec 07 15:04:53 <magius_pendragon> oh yes
Dec 07 15:04:54 <sturvey> Hi all. For Qt on MeeGo. What's the qmake (i.e. .pro file) identifier for meego? Like it's win32 for Windows and maemo5 for, well, maemo5.
Dec 07 15:05:38 <odin_> then follow it back towards kernel, see what works/breaks and all the good bits you can pickup to include in a MeeGo control panel item
Dec 07 15:06:03 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, on the ideapad it settles at 1000mhz but switches up to 1333 and 1666 as required, so assume based on other systems its in OnDemand type state
Dec 07 15:06:49 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: I can't remmeber how to monitor that
Dec 07 15:07:06 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: but that sounds like ondemand
Dec 07 15:07:16 <odin_> cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/*/*
Dec 07 15:08:21 <odin_> not sure if any kernel event system can notify an application on state changes, to save on polling (and idle battery life)
Dec 07 15:08:30 <abstract3d> programming for MeeGo Handsets, i will have to go with Nokia QT DSK?
Dec 07 15:08:30 <magius_pendragon> odin_: pm is disabled, it seems
Dec 07 15:08:35 <abstract3d> or just QT SDK?
Dec 07 15:08:44 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: is the ideapad on a atom?
Dec 07 15:09:27 <jonnor> abstract3d: you can program for Meego with the Qt SDK
Dec 07 15:11:12 <abstract3d> jonnor: i have a n900. with QT SDK i will be ok? or QT Nokia SDK would be better?
Dec 07 15:11:24 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, everything we work with is based on atoms
Dec 07 15:11:33 <lcuk> but yes, the ideapad is afaik a dualcore atom?
Dec 07 15:11:41 <slaine> lcuk, Not quiet
Dec 07 15:11:59 <lcuk> 1.5 core?
Dec 07 15:12:06 <slaine> it's a single core with HT
Dec 07 15:12:14 <lcuk> 1.3141592654 cores then!
Dec 07 15:12:20 <lcuk> thats reasonable enough
Dec 07 15:12:34 <slaine> The Atom D4xx are single core Hyper Threaded
Dec 07 15:12:57 <slaine> D5xx are dual core Hyper Threaded (i.e. /proc/cpuinfo lists 4 cpu's)
Dec 07 15:13:25 <lcuk> that explains why it shows 2 cpus
Dec 07 15:13:49 <sturvey>  Hi all. For Qt on MeeGo. What's the qmake (i.e. .pro file) identifier for meego? Like it's win32 for Windows and maemo5 for, well, maemo5.
Dec 07 15:15:23 <odin_> 2 cpus, 2 HT cores each = 4 entries in /proc/cpuinfo
Dec 07 15:17:00 <jonnor> abstract3d: the Nokia SDK will allow you to deploy directly for Maemo and Symbian
Dec 07 15:17:57 <jonnor> (to their appstores)
Dec 07 15:18:10 <magius_pendragon> lcuk: just was asking cuz I show power management as disabled, and this is an atom
Dec 07 15:18:35 <lcuk> magius_pendragon, hrm
Dec 07 15:18:53 <lcuk> the ideapad seems to have it at least, I know the n900 has shockingly poor PM handling at the moment
Dec 07 15:19:05 <lcuk> to the extent I was asked yesterday how hot was too hot
Dec 07 15:19:30 <slaine> what do you mean power management is disabled ?
Dec 07 15:19:34 <lcuk> bug 7790
Dec 07 15:19:37 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot
Dec 07 15:19:46 <slaine> I meant magius_pendragon
Dec 07 15:20:44 <magius_pendragon> slaine: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU*/* says power management: no
Dec 07 15:21:45 <v_zaitsev> my n900 is good with the power and doesn't get hot, unless i am running some app that makes it so. for example, mbarcode is something horrible
Dec 07 15:22:11 <v_zaitsev> because it leaves the camera pipeline AND the "flash" on even when the device goes to powersave
Dec 07 15:22:53 <Muncuie>  kontol
Dec 07 15:23:18 <lcuk> v_zaitsev, you are in #meego
Dec 07 15:23:45 <odin_> v_zaitsev,  did you turn down the WLAN power output ?  I found that (anecdotally) doubled my battery life
Dec 07 15:24:02 <slaine> I must confess, I haven't played with my ideaPad much since meegoconf
Dec 07 15:24:54 <lcuk_idea> slaine, why do you think I am trying to get the multiux stuff working :) let people play in bite sized chunks and configure it as they want and hopefully let them see the bits of meego that interests them
Dec 07 15:25:27 <slaine> lcuk_idea: Yeah, but, I mentioned my lack of playing because I have a confession to make
Dec 07 15:25:47 <slaine> I appear to be one of the lucky few that got one with an Atheros wifi card
Dec 07 15:25:56 <lcuk> not the only one :)
Dec 07 15:26:00 <slaine> indeed
Dec 07 15:26:24 <lcuk> i went and also picked up a usb stick too
Dec 07 15:26:28 <slaine> I'm so used to the process of building the broadcom rpm that I just did it, installed it and got on with it
Dec 07 15:26:35 <lcuk> i asked and was able to take one only with OSS on it
Dec 07 15:26:57 <lcuk> i think the same image is available for download somewhere (discussed before)
Dec 07 15:32:16 <dneary> I haven't got mine yet - anyone know when the ones shipped after the conference are expected to go out, and who to ask about them?
Dec 07 15:33:29 <slaine> dneary: I would have thought you'd have gotten it by now
Dec 07 15:33:41 <dneary> nope
Dec 07 15:33:46 <slaine> Give dawn a shout, she should know
Dec 07 15:34:02 * dneary gives DawnFoster a shout
Dec 07 15:34:43 <sivang> anybody ca share his opinion what to favor? Q8300 or Core i5 (- intel cpus) for a desktop station that will support proper virtualizationfor meego flavors development? (e.g. running a couple arm VMs in parallel)
Dec 07 15:35:12 <sivang> slaine: same here, still uneasy to get used to netbook UX
Dec 07 15:35:31 <sivang> But I'm gradually integrating myself to the experience.
Dec 07 15:36:28 <lolloo> they are all same diffrent names.
Dec 07 15:36:31 <sivang> I would like to be able to run a couple of QEMUs including the x86 one
Dec 07 15:36:50 <RST38h> Core i5
Dec 07 15:36:52 <sivang> so to be able to have several arm meego images and x86 running
Dec 07 15:37:04 <DawnFoster> hey dneary - I missed the question :)
Dec 07 15:37:10 <sivang> RST38h: that's the quad core counterpart for Q8300?
Dec 07 15:37:17 <DawnFoster> (waiting for my morning tea to finish brewing)
Dec 07 15:37:38 <sivang> RST38h: my retailer suggested i3 at first, a difference of 120$ , is i5 worth it?
Dec 07 15:38:07 <RST38h> Yes, and I just got an i7
Dec 07 15:38:39 <jonnor> sivang: make sure it has VT-X support
Dec 07 15:38:48 <dneary> DawnFoster, slaine suggested I should give you a shout, so I did
Dec 07 15:38:52 <DawnFoster> dneary: ah, the Lenovos shipped after the conference should get to people before the end of Dec
Dec 07 15:39:08 <sivang> RST38h: so i3 is significantly weaker than i5?
Dec 07 15:39:11 <dneary> DawnFoster, He thinks you might know who the best person to talk to about after-conference netbook delivery would be
Dec 07 15:39:28 <DawnFoster> with the US holiday and having to manually ship them, it's taking some time to get them out to people
Dec 07 15:39:33 <sivang> jonnor: right, not too easy to find out from the site, but it seems that this CPU line all supports VT-x
Dec 07 15:39:45 <javispedro> sivang: i3 doesn't have vt-d
Dec 07 15:39:57 <dneary> DawnFoster, I haven't heard anything at all since the conference - so wondering if I (a) missed something, or (b) just need to be patient
Dec 07 15:40:00 <jonnor> vt-d != vt-x
Dec 07 15:40:00 <sivang> hmm, what's vt-d?
Dec 07 15:40:00 <dneary> Either is fine
Dec 07 15:40:02 <javispedro> vt-d is the iommu stuff. currently not very useful though.
Dec 07 15:40:23 <lcuk> DawnFoster, is there by chance a copy of the letter that will be sent out with the parcels lying around anywhere?
Dec 07 15:40:28 <lcuk> (the one saying its a gift)
Dec 07 15:40:47 <DawnFoster> dneary: patient :) ping me again, if you don't get it by the end of December
Dec 07 15:40:48 <javispedro> sivang: someday using vt-d you might be able to give an entire video card to a VM (in fact someone did this already)
Dec 07 15:41:19 <DawnFoster> lcuk: not sure, I wasn't really involved in the giveaway, but you can ping Amy if you need another copy
Dec 07 15:41:27 <abstract3d> well i want some1 who can emulate an entire video card :P
Dec 07 15:41:28 <javispedro> not on a clarkdale though, so I wonder if the vt-d implementation is complete enough... :P
Dec 07 15:41:40 <sivang> javispedro: so vt-x lacks the iommu and just provides abstraction for the cycles?
Dec 07 15:41:44 <odin_> what/why is VT-X requirement for MeeGo again ?  some security requirement in the future, like 4 ring model ?
Dec 07 15:41:55 <dneary> DawnFoster, OK. No worries
Dec 07 15:42:11 <javispedro> odin_: I think it's a requeriment for the SDK/emu/etc
Dec 07 15:42:27 <Venemo_N900> good afternoon guys
Dec 07 15:42:28 <lcuk> DawnFoster, I don't need a copy for that specifically but I recall it being sat on the front of the desk and forgot to take a photo, the general purpose will be useful also when the device program takes off
Dec 07 15:42:38 <odin_> ok understand SDK/Qemu, that makes sense
Dec 07 15:42:39 <jonnor> odin_: VT-X allows hardware accelerated virtualization
Dec 07 15:42:42 <slaine> and good VM performance in general, which was part of sivang's question
Dec 07 15:42:57 <DawnFoster> lcuk: ah, good point
Dec 07 15:43:05 <sivang> javispedro: err, abstraction for CPU :)
Dec 07 15:43:10 <Venemo_N900> lcuk, what device program?
Dec 07 15:43:26 <odin_> not needed for MeeGo handset/netbook/ivi implementations (like SSSE3 is) this was angle
Dec 07 15:43:35 <javispedro> sivang: yep :)
Dec 07 15:43:51 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, mailing list, hold on
Dec 07 15:44:02 <slaine> Venemo_N900: see the meego community mailing list for background
Dec 07 15:44:10 <sivang> javispedro: okay, so i5 it is, it also has more cores right? e.g. i5 is quad core while i3 is dual?
Dec 07 15:44:47 <javispedro> there's a i5 quad core but that one doesn't have vt-d either (being older). the rest of i5 are smt dualcores
Dec 07 15:44:52 <javispedro> err
Dec 07 15:44:58 <javispedro> s/smt/hyperthreading(tm)
Dec 07 15:44:59 <lcuk> [MeeGo-community] Nudging the Community Device Program   http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002709.html
Dec 07 15:45:18 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, ^
Dec 07 15:45:46 <Venemo_N900> interesting
Dec 07 15:46:54 <lolloo> guys are other release of MeeGo on N900 wokr wiht U-boot? or is it just version 1.1?
Dec 07 15:47:06 <lolloo> work with *
Dec 07 15:49:23 <qgil> Sorry for my chipset ignorance, but what is this Renesas AP4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xuNOweDXh3Q
Dec 07 15:49:24 <Venemo_N900> hm
Dec 07 15:49:39 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: and what device is this about?
Dec 07 15:50:15 <qgil> I mean, I have found http://www.renesas.com/prod/assp/mobile/ap4.html but is this a "Renesas chipset" or TI or...=
Dec 07 15:50:17 <qgil> ?
Dec 07 15:51:02 <sivang> javispedro: so the i5 I'm likely to get has 2 cores, each having 2 ht channels?
Dec 07 15:51:13 <qgil> I guess this Renesas video is food for http://wiki.meego.com/ARM ?
Dec 07 15:51:16 <sivang> javispedro: which is the same for i3, come to think of what my retailer said
Dec 07 15:51:24 <javispedro> sivang: i3 hasn't HT afaik
Dec 07 15:51:59 <javispedro> sivang: not sure either, last time I looked at it the 5xx series was recently introduced
Dec 07 15:52:15 <lolloo> so ugly
Dec 07 15:52:42 <sivang> javispedro, jonnor : how can I make sure it has VT-x/d , the system will not be constructed until I give an advance
Dec 07 15:52:50 <jonnor> sivang: check intel.com
Dec 07 15:52:50 <javispedro> sivang: ark.intel.com
Dec 07 15:53:15 <jonnor> http://www.intel.com/products/processor/index.htm -> type -> specifications
Dec 07 15:53:41 <jonnor> qgil: a chip from Reneas, yes
Dec 07 15:53:45 <lolloo> guys are other release of MeeGo on N900 work with U-boot? or is it just version 1.1?
Dec 07 15:54:03 <sivang> jonnor, javispedro : thanks
Dec 07 15:54:59 <jonnor> qgil: looks very similar to the OMAP3 used in the N900, but additionaly has a SH based DSP
Dec 07 15:55:01 <qgil> jonnor thanks, I'll list it to the ARM page. Now I'm learning about this Freescale i.mx51 running MeeGo too http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=osDlTdl5lAk
Dec 07 15:55:24 <bobdole369> SO my virtualbox install appeared to work, it rebooted I set usernames and pwds/timezones, go back to a blank screen.
Dec 07 15:56:33 <jonnor> qgil: sorry, I meant "instead" and not "additionally"
Dec 07 15:57:02 <bobdole369> Now booting I get a blue screen for eternity.
Dec 07 16:03:11 <sivang> RST38h: do I want 4 cores then 2 cores? :)
Dec 07 16:04:12 <sivang> the 2cores options has intel integrated graphics HD, just a bit cheaper and runs at 3.x Ghz
Dec 07 16:04:35 <javispedro> that is for you to decide, do you want single thread performance or more cores? ;)
Dec 07 16:05:23 <sivang> javispedro: a balance, I can settle with just running 2 VMs but I need good single thread performance when other less important threads are running, e.g. CUbase
Dec 07 16:05:37 <sivang> javispedro: how much is the difference felt between 2/4 cores?
Dec 07 16:06:43 <sivang> javispedro: so there's the stream record thread, IO must be fast, and lots of small threads in the background.
Dec 07 16:06:46 <sivang> or, with less prio
Dec 07 16:07:45 <javispedro> don't ask me, I upgraded from one of the first athlons ;) (the different in performance between the athlon and any core i[357] is so large that makes all i5 similar)
Dec 07 16:07:53 <qgil> jonnor: thanks! http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=ARM&diff=23404&oldid=22576
Dec 07 16:08:25 <qgil> that ARM page needs some organization & love (as I say every time I update it)
Dec 07 16:09:42 <lcuk> hey qgil \o
Dec 07 16:10:16 <qgil> hi lcuk
Dec 07 16:10:25 <kyb3R> qgil: emailed you and others a suggestion for the naming issue. Hopefully you could check it before tomorrow
Dec 07 16:10:46 <sivang> so my hunch is I won't really be using a 4 cores machines, I'll go with the 2 cores but with i5 to have vt-d and vt-x
Dec 07 16:10:53 <qgil> kyb3R: will check, thanks
Dec 07 16:10:55 <sivang> e.g., using all of its 4 cores
Dec 07 16:11:03 <kyb3R> qgil: thanks
Dec 07 16:11:08 <lcuk> qgil, theres a nice writeup being made about running multiple UXes on the nice ideapads
Dec 07 16:11:15 * X-Fade wonders why his ideapad thinks it is Tuesday 30 December 2037
Dec 07 16:11:19 <lcuk> bug 10874 resulted in http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops
Dec 07 16:11:23 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, RESO FIXED, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup
Dec 07 16:11:37 <javispedro> lcuk: nice!!
Dec 07 16:11:57 <javispedro> lcuk: do you think you can boot both uxs at the same time, as different users and different xorg sessions?
Dec 07 16:12:02 <lcuk> X-Fade, hope your employer agrees and backdates pay!
Dec 07 16:12:36 <X-Fade> lcuk: hehe, I doubt that :)
Dec 07 16:12:40 <javispedro> hm
Dec 07 16:12:43 <lcuk> javispedro, IDK, you are technical wizard, do YOU think its possible?
Dec 07 16:12:46 <X-Fade> But I do wonder why the clock is that far off.
Dec 07 16:13:07 <sivang> lcuk: oh nice, for me using the handset ux on it would make much more sense.
Dec 07 16:13:13 * sivang bookmarks
Dec 07 16:13:18 <lcuk> indeed :)
Dec 07 16:13:35 <javispedro> lcuk: seems hard  (though for a moment it was a different method ;) )
Dec 07 16:13:37 <lcuk> sivang, it also offers opportunity to switch and do IVI and other variants too
Dec 07 16:13:59 <sivang> lcuk: very nice, essentially just by running the window manager / compositor of choice?
Dec 07 16:14:02 <sivang> lcuk: per, UX that is
Dec 07 16:14:30 * sivang thinks of easier testing of IVI UX when one does not need to verify arm kernel, for instance
Dec 07 16:14:35 <lcuk> sivang, well the UXes sit ontop of meego core, so ..
Dec 07 16:17:09 <sivang> lcuk: right, so once you have both runtimes (gtk/qt) you can have as many of them you like I guess
Dec 07 16:17:45 <lcuk> within reason
Dec 07 16:17:47 <sivang> javispedro: mutiple Xorgs could be run on different screen addresses and each having its own session,no ?
Dec 07 16:17:55 <javispedro> sivang: yep
Dec 07 16:17:57 <lcuk> lardman_, \o
Dec 07 16:18:07 <sivang> javispedro: and that was possible since, ever no?
Dec 07 16:18:11 <javispedro> sivang: the idea comes from running both and seamlessly switching when you flip the cover
Dec 07 16:18:20 <sivang> ah
Dec 07 16:18:23 <javispedro> enter tablet mode -> show the handset ux
Dec 07 16:18:29 <javispedro> enter netbook mode -> show the netbook ux
Dec 07 16:18:36 * lcuk puts a tap on a barrel of guinness and hands out glasses
Dec 07 16:18:48 <sivang> I don't mind switching by hand
Dec 07 16:18:49 <lcuk> javispedro, problems with running apps
Dec 07 16:18:57 <javispedro> yeah, they won't move
Dec 07 16:19:02 <javispedro> but maybe that's a benefit
Dec 07 16:19:08 <lcuk> its not the specific insta-switch that i am considering this for (tho nice if its possible)
Dec 07 16:19:23 <lcuk> its just being able to use the ideapad for specific testing
Dec 07 16:19:26 <sivang> what involves an insta-switch? how hard?
Dec 07 16:19:28 <lcuk> without having to completely reformat
Dec 07 16:19:37 <javispedro> there was this htc x9000 that had an x86 and arm, and a button switched between winxp and winmo
Dec 07 16:19:56 <sivang> maybe we can hook the power button quick double click
Dec 07 16:20:07 <lcuk> javispedro, people would expect the app they are using to continue running on the other UX in that sort of case
Dec 07 16:20:08 <sivang> I had a dream that night that my ideapad started to act like an N900 :)
Dec 07 16:20:18 <lcuk> sivang, mine does
Dec 07 16:20:32 <lcuk> apart from 4minutes from opening keyboard to being able to type
Dec 07 16:20:36 <sivang> lcuk: so follow that wiki page and mine will as well?
Dec 07 16:20:43 <sivang> lcuk: why so long?
Dec 07 16:21:01 <lcuk> netbook power mumbu jumbo
Dec 07 16:21:15 <lcuk> sivang, those instructions are still being reviewed
Dec 07 16:21:25 <lcuk> and not sure of how well handset will be happy on it
Dec 07 16:21:34 <sivang> lcuk: you're using it no?
Dec 07 16:22:04 <lcuk> its just backing stuff up
Dec 07 16:22:25 * lcuk misses n900esq usb plugin/copy
Dec 07 16:36:23 <fiferboy> We need a way for the handset ux to realize what resolution is running
Dec 07 16:36:27 <fiferboy> Without -target slate
Dec 07 16:37:12 <lcuk> fiferboy, hrm?
Dec 07 16:37:31 <fiferboy> Running handset UX on the IdeaPad uses ~3/4 of the screen (for me)
Dec 07 16:37:59 <andre__> so how can I get my blog entries to be listed at http://meego.com/community/blogs ? There is no "how to" link on that page.
Dec 07 16:38:09 <lcuk> fiferboy, are you just hacking alone to put this on or have you been following the changing_desktops wiki?
Dec 07 16:38:30 <fiferboy> The wiki page instructions
Dec 07 16:38:59 <fiferboy> I read somewhere about a config file that allows you to specify slate as the default resolution, but I never found that config file on my install
Dec 07 16:39:05 <lcuk> fiferboy, cool beans, and they were easy to follow for you (apart from this)
Dec 07 16:39:06 <fiferboy> /etc/meegotouch/ something
Dec 07 16:39:13 <lcuk> perhaps a bug would be useful to be reported
Dec 07 16:39:16 <fiferboy> lcuk: Yup, not a problem at all
Dec 07 16:39:28 <lcuk> great news :)
Dec 07 16:39:48 <fiferboy> Yeah, easy to follow and do what I expect
Dec 07 16:40:02 <mattymo> anyone ever get meego installed on a fedora 14 system?
Dec 07 16:40:49 <fiferboy> /etc/meegotouch/devices.conf
Dec 07 16:40:56 <fiferboy> From http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2116&highlight=handset
Dec 07 16:43:04 <lcuk> fiferboy, would you add a note verifying the bug http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874
Dec 07 16:43:07 <lcuk> :)
Dec 07 16:45:39 <fiferboy> Done
Dec 07 16:46:19 <lcuk> \o ta muchly
Dec 07 16:47:47 <lcuk> well, thats helpful
Dec 07 16:47:52 <lcuk> i hope the copy was finished
Dec 07 16:58:16 <bobdole369> bah no luck with 1.1 netbook and the virtualbox.
Dec 07 16:58:59 <dm8tbr> I also have yet to find a more straight forward way to make it work in vbox
Dec 07 16:59:23 <dm8tbr> I made some qemu netbook-ux image work reasonably quick but it lacked apps
Dec 07 16:59:36 <bobdole369> thats a way to go mayhaps
Dec 07 17:00:20 <lardman> hi lcuk, slightly belatedly
Dec 07 17:04:08 <fiferboy> lcuk: Fixed the problem :)
Dec 07 17:06:29 <lcuk> fiferboy, awesome! is it something needed on that page do you think or perhaps on a "getting handset working nicely" sub page?
Dec 07 17:07:09 <fiferboy> I will put it on the wiki page, and if someone wants to move it they can.  It is just a small note for resolution setting on IdeaPad
Dec 07 17:07:21 <lcuk> :) cool beans, thanks fiferboy
Dec 07 17:12:46 <fiferboy> Wiki modified
Dec 07 17:12:47 <lardman> hey fiferboy, how was your trip over?
Dec 07 17:12:55 <fiferboy> Hi lardman!
Dec 07 17:13:23 <fiferboy> Trip was great.  Saw very little of Ireland, quite a bit of Wales, and a small amount of England
Dec 07 17:13:33 <lardman> cool :)
Dec 07 17:13:39 <lardman> in fact probably quite cool
Dec 07 17:13:42 <fiferboy> How was India?
Dec 07 17:13:50 <fiferboy> Yeah, it was pretty cool and more than a little rainy :)
Dec 07 17:13:54 <lardman> warm 20-25C, sunny
Dec 07 17:14:14 <lardman> busy though, am glad to be back and on semi-holiday from tomorrow
Dec 07 17:14:26 <lardman> bbiam, have to pop to the shops to get supper
Dec 07 17:14:28 <fiferboy> Semi-holidays are good
Dec 07 17:15:12 <lcuk> awesome, Rimmel London mailing me with goodies
Dec 07 17:15:21 <lcuk> I can get just the makeup effect I want!
Dec 07 17:15:50 * lcuk wonders what eyeshadow and nailpolish will look like
Dec 07 17:16:34 <rauli_> you plan to replace alessandro del piero in juventus?
Dec 07 17:18:54 <lcuk> rauli_, I hope not
Dec 07 17:20:25 <Venemo> hi
Dec 07 17:20:59 <lcuk> hey Venemo \o
Dec 07 17:21:35 <Venemo> hey lcuk o7
Dec 07 17:22:02 <sabotage> lcuk, slaine: thanks... lemme know if you find something missing (like the development patterns/groups maybe)...
Dec 07 17:22:25 <slaine> sabotage: cheers
Dec 07 17:22:31 <slaine> just tried it myself
Dec 07 17:22:42 <slaine> works
Dec 07 17:22:57 <slaine> is it correct that the handset ux doesn't scale fully ?
Dec 07 17:23:23 <sabotage> BTW slaine, thanks for the shopping tips... sweater and scarf from "The Sweater Shop" on Nassau where a hit with my wife and daughter!
Dec 07 17:23:25 <fiferboy> sabotage: What about adding the meego-handset-applications (or meego-handset-applications-branding) patterns?
Dec 07 17:23:41 <slaine> sabotage: great, meant to follow up with an email on that
Dec 07 17:23:46 <fiferboy> That'll let you actually test the handset applications
Dec 07 17:23:58 <sabotage> fiferboy: I considered that... yeah... but when I looked on my system, I didn't have that pattern installed
Dec 07 17:24:07 <sabotage> so I prolly installed them all by hand
Dec 07 17:24:39 <sabotage> also, they *will* clutter up the application lists with apps from the other desktops
Dec 07 17:24:57 <fiferboy> sabotage: Did you run into the resolution problem on the netbook?
Dec 07 17:25:01 <lcuk> sabotage, is it possible to add/remove the repo whilst changing perhaps?
Dec 07 17:25:04 <sabotage> so in Handset, you'll see apps really only intended to be run on Netbook and vice-versa
Dec 07 17:25:10 <fiferboy> Yeah, having the handset apps in the netbook menu is a pain sometimes
Dec 07 17:25:28 <sabotage> fiferboy: slaine: RE resolution, good point
Dec 07 17:25:33 <sabotage> yeah, theres a fix
Dec 07 17:25:49 <fiferboy> There may be a more elegant fix, but I put my fix in the wiki
Dec 07 17:25:57 <lcuk> sabotage, fiferboy already added simple fix onto the wiki
Dec 07 17:26:04 <slaine> yeah, we're pulling down 1.1, probably already fixed on the dailies
Dec 07 17:26:09 <sabotage> you need to set the /meegotouch/target/name gconf key to a sane value for which there is a libmeegotouch config
Dec 07 17:26:17 <sabotage> I should add that to the write up
Dec 07 17:26:32 <fiferboy> sabotage: That is better than my fix, you could set it to slate
Dec 07 17:26:44 <fiferboy> Although, will the virtual keyboard work with the default slate.conf?
Dec 07 17:27:40 <sabotage> fiferboy: yeah, probably better to write your own device conf for the lenovo
Dec 07 17:27:55 <sabotage> that way you can allow keyboard in all orientation angles
Dec 07 17:28:33 <sabotage> but since there *is* a keyboard, I just used it for basic testing
Dec 07 17:29:09 <fiferboy> The on-screen keyboard is nice when you turn multitouch on, although the screen angle in laptop mode makes is awkward
Dec 07 17:29:14 <sabotage> VKB testing on the lenovo is a bit missleading anyway, since the response time and size is so much better than it is on current handset images
Dec 07 17:29:20 <sabotage> as in performance
Dec 07 17:29:43 <sabotage> ah, your playing with multi touch... lucky you ;)
Dec 07 17:29:43 <fiferboy> Interesting
Dec 07 17:30:15 <sabotage> yeah, you try the VKB on n900 or the Aava and you'll see what I mean
Dec 07 17:30:22 <fiferboy> sabotage: What device are you running the handset UX on?
Dec 07 17:30:25 <sabotage> getting frames dropped in the annimations
Dec 07 17:30:48 <sabotage> I have an N900 and an pre-production ia32 device
Dec 07 17:30:57 <javispedro> btw, does the meegokeyboard have problems under the netbook ux wm? I seem to have and I cannot guess if I introduced them or not
Dec 07 17:31:01 <sabotage> plus the lenovo S10-3t
Dec 07 17:31:27 <sabotage> javispedro: yeah, I doubt it will work at all in that scenario
Dec 07 17:31:38 <fiferboy> javispedro: I never got the VKB working in the latest version of the netbook ux
Dec 07 17:31:44 <javispedro> the keyboard likes to get its own window instead of being unredirected and the like (thus being moved to his own "area")
Dec 07 17:31:47 <lardman> lcuk: be careful of that nailpolish
Dec 07 17:31:57 <sabotage> the handset VKB depends on inputmethod engines and UI servers that are not running in Netbook UX
Dec 07 17:32:05 <lcuk> lardman, yeah i had so much trouble getting the red off my fingers last time :P
Dec 07 17:32:13 <lardman> ;)
Dec 07 17:32:17 <javispedro> sabotage: I got the keyboard itself working, I'm the gtk input method guy
Dec 07 17:32:35 <sabotage> the handset one, or the clutter/netbook one?
Dec 07 17:32:35 <javispedro> it's just that I don't remember it interacting so bad with a wm
Dec 07 17:32:41 <Muncuie> _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _
Dec 07 17:32:46 <Muncuie> _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _
Dec 07 17:32:48 <javispedro> sabotage: the handset one (theoretically)
Dec 07 17:32:51 <Muncuie> _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _
Dec 07 17:32:55 <npm> woohoo qt 4.7.1 in meego sdk updates
Dec 07 17:32:56 <Muncuie> _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _
Dec 07 17:32:58 <javispedro> banhammer!
Dec 07 17:33:02 <Muncuie> _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _
Dec 07 17:33:07 <Muncuie> _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _
Dec 07 17:33:11 <Muncuie> _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _
Dec 07 17:33:16 <wmarone> :(
Dec 07 17:33:22 <javispedro> thanks!
Dec 07 17:33:23 <sabotage> javispedro: IIRC, I think there might be a property you can set on a window so that mutter does not try to put it in it's own "desktop"
Dec 07 17:33:44 <javispedro> nonstandard?
Dec 07 17:33:57 <sabotage> javispedro: by handset, you mean the one that comes from libmeegotouch?
Dec 07 17:34:03 <javispedro> well, seeing that it is normal behaviour is all I wanted to know
Dec 07 17:34:05 <sabotage> if so, I would be supprised
Dec 07 17:34:11 <fiferboy> I notice when running the handset UX, netbook applications don't seem to request the VKB
Dec 07 17:35:10 <sabotage> fiferboy: they are GTK based apps and the VKB engine running is Qt based... don't think they will work together out of the box
Dec 07 17:35:22 <sabotage> but then again, this is not an area of expertise for me ;)
Dec 07 17:35:30 <fiferboy> sabotage: That makes sense
Dec 07 17:35:49 <lcuk> javispedro, wasnt that the direction of your GSOC assignment?
Dec 07 17:35:50 <javispedro> sabotage: I think that's the one -- not the "bridges" one ;)
Dec 07 17:35:55 <javispedro> lcuk: exactly
Dec 07 17:36:13 <sabotage> you'd have to muck around with the /etc/xdg/autostart files to get all the needed services running, I believe
Dec 07 17:36:42 <javispedro>  theme daemon, contextd and meego-im-uiserver are the required onse
Dec 07 17:36:59 <javispedro> s/context/feedbackd
Dec 07 17:39:41 <javispedro> fiferboy: by "I never got the VKB working in the latest version" you mean you got it working with a previous version?
Dec 07 17:40:03 <fiferboy> javispedro: The instructions I found seemed to be for a previous version (1.1 I think)
Dec 07 17:40:12 <fiferboy> The files they say to edit don't exist on my netbook
Dec 07 17:40:14 <javispedro> ah, the "bridges" one
Dec 07 17:40:20 <fiferboy> Yes
Dec 07 17:42:49 <javispedro> I also designed a win7-like input context
Dec 07 17:43:02 <javispedro> ie tapping on a field shows a floating keyboard icon, tapping on the icon actually launches the keyboard
Dec 07 17:43:13 <javispedro> works much better on netbook
Dec 07 17:43:16 <sabotage> fiferboy: so an alternative to your changes on the wiki would be to set the gconf key as I described, *and* changing the "KeyboardOpen" and "KeyboardClosed" values to either autodetect or 0,90,180,270
Dec 07 17:43:37 <fiferboy> sabotage: I will test that now
Dec 07 17:43:37 <javispedro> but I implemented it on gtk... :P
Dec 07 17:43:38 <sabotage> that would get you the keyboard being allowed IIRC
Dec 07 17:45:07 <andre__> anybody knows how can I get my blog entries listed at http://meego.com/community/blogs ? There is no "how to" link on that page...
Dec 07 17:45:22 <odin_> what is the official RAM spec of the Lenovo IdeaPad  ?  too much bad information on the internet... the stick in it, is Samsung, PC3-10600 133MHz  (I presume non-ECC, I presume Unbuffered, CAS Latency ???)  even Samsungs own website had non-consistent information as an upgrade part shows up as desktop ram
Dec 07 17:46:44 <javispedro> ram chips would probably vary a lot
Dec 07 17:46:57 <arfoll> odin_, it's DDR2 i doubt its 10600
Dec 07 17:47:00 <javispedro> official allowed ram is ddr2
Dec 07 17:47:11 <arfoll> I shoved a 667mhz 2GB stick in there and it works fine
Dec 07 17:49:11 <bobdole369> laptop ddr2 ram tops out at 800 in most cases.
Dec 07 17:49:34 <bobdole369> At least thats the fastest I can easily buy.
Dec 07 17:54:17 <sabotage> FARK!!!!
Dec 07 17:54:36 <odin_> stick label says "Samsung 1Gb 1Rx8 PC3-10600S-09-10-ZZZ"  Single Rank, 8bit (making it non-ECC) and clock speed
Dec 07 17:54:49 <sabotage> wiki.meego.com died mid-update to my "Changing Desktops" page
Dec 07 17:54:58 <odin_> WTF would I want to stick DDR2-667 in it for
Dec 07 17:56:11 <fiferboy> sabotage: It looks like changing the gconf key to "slate" will work, even the VKB
Dec 07 17:56:29 <sabotage> cool
Dec 07 17:56:59 <sabotage> I just totally lost 2 paragraphs of text while updating it with the gconf instructions
Dec 07 17:56:59 <fiferboy> Unfortunately, changing the "showStatusBar" in the conf doesn't change anything
Dec 07 17:57:38 <sabotage> is it in an "[other]" section?
Dec 07 17:57:55 <fiferboy> Yes
Dec 07 17:58:02 <sabotage> odd
Dec 07 17:58:15 <sabotage> is the app being tested a "fullscreen" app?
Dec 07 17:58:34 <sabotage> and/or is sysuid running?
Dec 07 17:58:40 <fiferboy> I think so.  The desktop shows it too
Dec 07 17:59:25 <fiferboy> Hmm, no fullscreen apps don't show it
Dec 07 18:00:13 <sabotage> yeah, as designed I believe
Dec 07 18:00:28 * sabotage goes AFK for a while...
Dec 07 18:00:31 <fiferboy> Ok
Dec 07 18:00:32 <odin_> ok I pulled labels off it now, M471B2873FHS-CH9 is the RAM part number
Dec 07 18:10:06 <odin_> CL9 (9-9-9), so Samsung parts are M471B5773CHS-CH9 (2Gb), M471B5273CH0-CH9 (4Gb)
Dec 07 18:21:03 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10#MeeGo_Community_:_Development
Dec 07 18:22:57 <lbt> X-Fade: ^^ the CO meeting tonight... we should talk about getting this stuff into the CO space/roadmap
Dec 07 18:23:11 <lbt> Jaffa: you too ^^
Dec 07 18:33:07 <npm> http://meego.com/community/events/2010/dr.-dobbs-webcast-developing-meego-sdk starts soon
Dec 07 18:35:00 <npm> (as usual, if you try watching on linux, it'll say it failed, but if you have flash installed you can watch it)
Dec 07 18:42:13 <Jaffa> lbt: when is it?
Dec 07 18:42:42 <lbt> 8pm
Dec 07 18:45:13 <odin_> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 again... can we expect Santa to bring this to us all ?
Dec 07 18:45:36 <auke> I just shot santa out back
Dec 07 18:45:52 <odin_> ah F**k
Dec 07 18:46:03 <auke> how would you like community OBS instead?
Dec 07 18:47:10 <odin_> erm... what happens when you run some stats one month and find out I am eating your resources?
Dec 07 18:48:29 <auke> odin_: take a look at what happened to santa...
Dec 07 18:48:40 <auke> :)
Dec 07 18:48:47 <odin_> so best I keep pushing on 615 then :)
Dec 07 19:04:02 <npm> http://nielsmayer.com/meego/dr-dobbs-webcast-slides-developing-with-meego-sdk.pdf are slides from aforementioned talk
Dec 07 19:04:53 <npm> just made it readable too :-)
Dec 07 19:08:51 <abstract3d> npm: nice
Dec 07 19:09:50 <abstract3d> npm: is there any way to watch live any of this web conf?
Dec 07 19:10:23 <npm> (made available for "fair use" only -- just incase people want to register and watch
Dec 07 19:10:25 <npm> )
Dec 07 19:10:35 <npm> yes, see http://meego.com/community/events/2010/dr.-dobbs-webcast-developing-meego-sdk
Dec 07 19:10:44 <abstract3d> npm: oh thanks a lot!
Dec 07 19:11:04 <npm> usually, these are made available for watching a few weeks later to those registered incase you missed some
Dec 07 19:11:07 <npm> (which you didn't)
Dec 07 19:11:56 <abstract3d> so can i ask something.. there will be MeeGo for Handset, netbooks etc etc.. but Nokia will have their "special" MeeGo -Based, Maemo 6?
Dec 07 19:12:50 <abstract3d> well ignore that. if i want to create an app for meego (generally) so it is playable @handsets, netbooks etc. what yould be the way to do the development?
Dec 07 19:13:09 <abstract3d> or i should be centralized to handsets or netbooks
Dec 07 19:13:59 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: my limited non-developer view seems to indicate that you should simply use the Qt things. like Qt-mobility and QML
Dec 07 19:14:25 <abstract3d> yeah, but Nokia has its own QT SDK
Dec 07 19:14:43 <abstract3d> we have Nokia QT SDK and plain QT SDK
Dec 07 19:15:20 <dm8tbr> I'm not familiar with those. Maybe the former exposes additional things?
Dec 07 19:15:44 <dm8tbr> or is simply tested for nokia devices?
Dec 07 19:16:17 <npm> it's sort of badly named to have "QtMobility" be the platform indenpendent way of accessing media capture facilities ( http://apidocs.meego.com/1.0/qtmobility/multimedia.html )
Dec 07 19:17:01 <npm> since you could have media devices on IVI/netbook/handset and they should all be the same
Dec 07 19:17:09 <npm> programming wise
Dec 07 19:19:12 <javispedro> I think they mean "mobility"  as in "portability".
Dec 07 19:19:15 <javispedro> Otherwise it makes no sense
Dec 07 19:20:24 <dm8tbr> they probably started on an mobile (handset) device and then it grew and grew :)
Dec 07 19:20:28 <npm> but i could have a camera on a computer room rackmonitor that is running meego, and it is located in a fixed position (e.g. if meego were used to build http://www.buy.com/prod/apc-netbotz-room-monitor-355-security-camera-color-cable/q/loc/101/210992863.html )
Dec 07 19:23:13 <npm> it makes sense that nokia has it's own qt sdk since it owns qt and qt is dual licensed so they'd have the commercial license version :-)
Dec 07 19:23:24 <npm> ^^ abstract3d
Dec 07 19:24:04 <npm> and if there's any proprietary devices to interface to, they wouldn't need to share their sourcecode to be open-source compatible, per commercial license
Dec 07 19:24:52 * npm wonders how nokia protects it's cell phone interfaces from meego hackers making it transmit or receive in "protected" bands
Dec 07 19:25:11 <npm> which is one area where you'd want closed source
Dec 07 19:26:40 <npm>  Hmm Feb 2011 Qt creator 2.1 with "qt simulator"
Dec 07 19:26:57 * npm wonders if qtmobility is simulated too
Dec 07 19:27:12 <dm8tbr> npm: I'd expect that you won't get easy access to the critical radio interfaces
Dec 07 19:28:18 <dm8tbr> sliders for the accel sensor? ;)
Dec 07 19:28:51 <npm> could be emulated with a joystick?
Dec 07 19:29:42 <dm8tbr> I'd go for an external sensor. who still has joysticks nowadays anyway. ;)
Dec 07 19:30:38 <abstract3d> ok
Dec 07 19:30:41 <npm> i guess the external midi controller is right out
Dec 07 19:30:43 <npm> :-)
Dec 07 19:30:50 <abstract3d> i am tired with opensuse / fedora /ubuntu etc etc
Dec 07 19:31:09 <npm> i'm not.
Dec 07 19:31:15 <abstract3d> please lets run a poll, it would have some fun and i don't want to have another headache :$
Dec 07 19:31:36 <abstract3d> wich one to choose?
Dec 07 19:31:45 <npm> Fedora
Dec 07 19:31:47 <hena> i figures out ages ago all distros are tiredsome
Dec 07 19:31:55 <hena> so i'm sticking with the most popular
Dec 07 19:32:12 <abstract3d> is fedora better supported?
Dec 07 19:32:24 <npm> sure it's called red hat enterprise linux
Dec 07 19:32:39 <npm> tha'ts the supported version of fedora
Dec 07 19:32:49 <dm8tbr> I see many people using ubuntu at work for Qt development
Dec 07 19:33:06 <dm8tbr> I'd probably use debian though
Dec 07 19:33:20 <abstract3d> i know that fedora comes from Red Hat, but after all they claim to be "stand-alone" community
Dec 07 19:33:24 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: no way debian
Dec 07 19:34:23 <abstract3d> i am pleasured from gentoo, so i want to create a developer environment to run just fine, for ever for meego development
Dec 07 19:36:21 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: I'd expect that you can set things up on gentoo too.
Dec 07 19:37:45 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: well yes thats a good alternative option but i don't have the time right now for that
Dec 07 19:38:51 <dm8tbr> unless there is a ready downloadable virtual machine with an ready set up environment, I think the work will be pretty simmilar.
Dec 07 19:39:36 <abstract3d> hm.. meego sdk with qemu etc. qemu doesn't have this lag like virtual box right?
Dec 07 19:40:04 <abstract3d> or it lags too? (i am on nvidia GPU laptop and @virtualbox meego 1.1 install i was having lag due to GPU)
Dec 07 19:42:59 <npm> "both windows 7, fedora and ubuntu platforms will get equal support"
Dec 07 19:43:18 <npm> answer to q from conf
Dec 07 19:43:31 <andre__> err, "both" for 3 items? :-P
Dec 07 19:43:35 <npm> heh
Dec 07 19:43:40 <npm> all?
Dec 07 19:45:43 <npm> bad answer... qml is not like the Java JIT
Dec 07 19:46:27 <npm> "our focus will be on fedora and ubuntu first, then open suse, as we have time"
Dec 07 19:46:45 <npm> answers abstract3d questions
Dec 07 19:51:10 <abstract3d> npm: thanks
Dec 07 19:51:57 <npm> "just last week, sdk for windows 7 and win xp released." ... but emulator is slower (graphics not acceld)
Dec 07 19:57:53 <abstract3d> npm: i tried to install meego netbook 1.1 @virtualbox but emulator is very slow due to graphics i suppose. someone in here told me thats because i dont have intel GPU
Dec 07 19:58:03 <CosmoHill> nobody likes windows vista
Dec 07 19:58:20 <abstract3d> npm: with linux host
Dec 07 19:58:28 <lcuk> not true CosmoHill, Windows Me always sticks up for Vista
Dec 07 19:58:55 <CosmoHill> you mean this thing
Dec 07 19:58:58 * CosmoHill points to a blue screen
Dec 07 19:59:20 <qgil> Looking forward to the Community Office brainstorm meeting starting in few minutes - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10
Dec 07 20:01:28 <lbt> Jaffa: oi
Dec 07 20:01:59 <lcuk> >>>>>>>>>>> Community office meeting now #meego-meeting <<<<<<<<<<<
Dec 07 20:02:30 <lbt> X-Fade: you too ^^^
Dec 07 20:03:03 <lcuk> qgil, rarely see texrat even on twitter at this time
Dec 07 20:42:03 <abstract3d> please someone tell me, "11:00 AM PT / 2:00 PM ET, One Hour " what time is that @GMT?
Dec 07 20:42:18 <CosmoHill> Tue Dec  7 20:42:14 GMT 2010
Dec 07 20:43:30 <Jaffa> lbt: ah, did ask when it was ;-)
Dec 07 20:43:37 <lbt> yeah
Dec 07 20:43:40 <lbt> 8pm
Dec 07 20:43:41 <Jaffa> Busy
Dec 07 20:43:47 <Jaffa> Sorry, Mel's birthday today
Dec 07 20:43:49 <lbt> ok np
Dec 07 20:44:22 <abstract3d> so ET is 6 hours behind right? so event is running now to my country
Dec 07 20:45:01 <auke> GMT == +0, EST == -6, PST == -8
Dec 07 20:45:22 <auke> TZ=EST date
Dec 07 20:45:28 <auke> TZ=GMT date
Dec 07 20:45:33 <abstract3d> 2:00 EST -> 8GMT ?
Dec 07 20:45:40 <abstract3d> am i right?
Dec 07 20:45:51 <auke> $ TZ=EST date
Dec 07 20:45:51 <auke> Tue Dec  7 15:46:47 EST 2010
Dec 07 20:45:55 <auke> $ TZ=GMT date
Dec 07 20:45:55 <auke> Tue Dec  7 20:47:01 GMT 2010
Dec 07 20:46:26 <CosmoHill> auke: part of me wants to write what you just said as: GMT=0; EST-=6; PST-=8;
Dec 07 20:46:39 <auke> hehe
Dec 07 20:47:09 <berndhs> can't go by the time, it keeps changing
Dec 07 20:48:04 <auke> $ TZ=GMT date --date "2pm PST"
Dec 07 20:48:04 <auke> Tue Dec  7 22:00:00 GMT 2010
Dec 07 20:48:16 <lbt> auke: now...
Dec 07 20:48:22 <auke> $ TZ=GMT date --date "11am PST"
Dec 07 20:48:22 <auke> Tue Dec  7 19:00:00 GMT 2010
Dec 07 20:48:33 <auke> lol
Dec 07 20:49:55 <thiago_home> too bad it can't parse "Europe/Helsinki" as a timezone
Dec 07 20:50:20 <auke> EET?
Dec 07 20:50:23 <abstract3d> well i missed the event :/
Dec 07 20:50:28 <abstract3d> EST is -5 GMT
Dec 07 20:50:33 <CosmoHill> that's because it's a city, not a time zone
Dec 07 20:50:36 <CosmoHill> :)
Dec 07 20:50:42 <lbt> abstract3d: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
Dec 07 20:50:46 <auke> EET == east. european time
Dec 07 20:50:48 <thiago_home> auke: it's easier to remember that it's GMT+2
Dec 07 20:50:48 <abstract3d> are there available the videos?
Dec 07 20:50:53 <abstract3d> from webcasts?
Dec 07 20:51:35 <auke> $ TZ=GMT+2 date --date "11am PST"
Dec 07 20:51:35 <auke> Tue Dec  7 17:00:00 GMT 2010
Dec 07 20:51:44 <auke> you can pass +2 to env TZ
Dec 07 20:51:47 <auke> works fine
Dec 07 20:51:49 <CosmoHill> why do I get the feeling auke should be doing some work
Dec 07 20:52:05 <CosmoHill> oh wait that's me who sould be doing the work
Dec 07 20:52:25 <thiago_home> if someone tells me the meeting starts at 4:00 pm and they're in Montreal, what time is it for me?
Dec 07 20:52:53 <abstract3d> well, some webcasts are arranged, pdf files are stored at http://meego.com/community/events/presentations. videos are not recorded right?
Dec 07 20:53:03 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: about 2am?
Dec 07 20:53:28 <CosmoHill> between bedtime and early morning
Dec 07 20:59:26 <abstract3d> http://meego.com/community/events/2010/dr.-dobbs-webcast-developing-meego-sdk
Dec 07 20:59:31 <abstract3d> thats a past event right?
Dec 07 20:59:38 <abstract3d> is there any way to have the video?
Dec 07 21:02:39 <CosmoHill> this I think: https://www.techwebonlineevents.com/ars/eventregistration.do?mode=eventreg&F=1002700
Dec 07 21:02:43 <CosmoHill> it requires registration tho
Dec 07 21:03:02 <Texrat> hello hello
Dec 07 21:03:41 <CosmoHill> he's alive!
Dec 07 21:03:50 <Texrat> I am?
Dec 07 21:03:59 <CosmoHill> also that webpage was made using a program instead of being coded by a person
Dec 07 21:04:06 <Texrat> barely though.. been sick
Dec 07 21:05:10 <abstract3d> CosmoHill: didn't miss the event
Dec 07 21:05:11 <abstract3d> This presentation will be available on December 08, 2010 at 11:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
Dec 07 21:05:22 <abstract3d> thank god :D
Dec 07 21:05:23 <CosmoHill> cool\
Dec 07 21:05:28 <CosmoHill> i might still be up then :o
Dec 07 21:05:57 <abstract3d> well i am a lucky one
Dec 07 21:06:25 <CosmoHill> you have sky
Dec 07 21:06:27 <CosmoHill> sky+ ?
Dec 07 21:06:31 <abstract3d> sky+ :$
Dec 07 21:06:32 <abstract3d> ?
Dec 07 21:06:38 <rumohr> which database library does meego use?
Dec 07 21:06:41 <CosmoHill> joke
Dec 07 21:07:29 <auke> rumohr: depends on the application needs
Dec 07 21:07:40 <auke> there's no SQL database, if you're asking about that
Dec 07 21:08:19 <rumohr> okay.. something like that.. Android f.e. uses SQLite.. meego must have smth. similar..
Dec 07 21:08:30 <rumohr> to connect a DB
Dec 07 21:09:02 <auke> there is not a central DB in a meego install
Dec 07 21:09:14 <rumohr> hm. ok
Dec 07 21:09:45 <wmarone> iirc, Qt supplies sqlite libraries,  no?
Dec 07 21:10:02 <auke> yup
Dec 07 21:10:02 <rumohr> haven't found something about
Dec 07 21:10:15 <auke> the problem is that rumohr's question is too broad
Dec 07 21:10:28 <auke> if he was more specific.... maybe I can get a more specific answer
Dec 07 21:11:06 <rumohr> k, i'll try.. :)
Dec 07 21:11:33 <rumohr> how is it possible to use a DB in an App...
Dec 07 21:11:46 <rumohr> without crating an own DBMS
Dec 07 21:11:51 <rumohr> *creating
Dec 07 21:14:00 <berndhs> rumohr: meego has sqlite
Dec 07 21:14:07 <berndhs> everyone has sqlite
Dec 07 21:14:14 <CosmoHill> firefoxuses sqlite
Dec 07 21:14:15 <auke> yup, sure
Dec 07 21:14:17 <rumohr> okay. thanks ;)
Dec 07 21:14:22 <CosmoHill> it's basically a database in a file
Dec 07 21:14:26 <rumohr> that was the question...
Dec 07 21:14:28 <rumohr> yes
Dec 07 21:14:33 <CosmoHill> it belongs to the application, not the distro
Dec 07 21:14:39 <rumohr> but you need a library to use that file
Dec 07 21:14:46 <rumohr> ah
Dec 07 21:14:46 <rumohr> ok
Dec 07 21:16:22 <rumohr> hm. correct me, if i am wrong.. but SQLite is a library, which is used to access a DB, stored in a file... so the library have to be included in a ditribution?
Dec 07 21:16:49 <rumohr> or has to be included in Qt...
Dec 07 21:16:54 <CosmoHill> I thought sqlite was a program
Dec 07 21:17:29 <mortenmj> yeah. consider yourself corrected
Dec 07 21:17:34 <mortenmj> libsqlite is a library though
Dec 07 21:17:44 <rumohr> wiki: SQLite is an ACID-compliant embedded relational database management system contained in a relatively small (~275 kiB)[4] C programming library.
Dec 07 21:17:59 <rumohr> anyway, i got my answer.. thanks ;)
Dec 07 21:18:03 <mortenmj> rumohr: when you say sqlite most people assume you mean the client
Dec 07 21:18:09 <mortenmj> well, actually
Dec 07 21:18:13 <rumohr> ah, okay..
Dec 07 21:18:21 <mortenmj> they assume you mean the whole DBMS
Dec 07 21:18:31 <rumohr> wasn't my purpose
Dec 07 21:18:37 <rumohr> *intention
Dec 07 21:21:53 <tgall_foo> which package has the /etc/gconf/schemas/meegotouch.schemas file?
Dec 07 21:22:25 <thiago_home> rpm -qf /etc/gconf/schemas/meegotouch.schemas
Dec 07 21:22:50 <tgall_foo> that would work great were I on a meego install :-/
Dec 07 21:23:47 <rumohr> is it right, that Qt is among other things a package of libraries and API's, which are vicarious by many other libs and API's? so Qt has f.e. SQLite-functions and many more? Because Qt has many different libraries included, but nearly none of them are really famous...
Dec 07 21:25:10 <mortenmj> tgall_foo: this is why we need something like packages.ubuntu.com for meego
Dec 07 21:25:46 <lbt> rumohr: http://doc.trolltech.com/latest/qsqldatabase.html
Dec 07 21:26:45 <lbt> mortenmj: you mean "Surrounds"
Dec 07 21:26:52 <rumohr> ah, cool. thx.. so i am right. Qt has libs included, which are similar to others (f.e. SQLite) but implemented by Trolltech/Nokia?
Dec 07 21:27:05 <tgall_foo> mortenmj, yes that'd be handy ...  i'm building debs for my own nefarious purposes so just trying to make it through the joy of the dep forest
Dec 07 21:27:37 <lbt> rumohr: no ... read up more. It's all OSS and essentially presents a consistent API
Dec 07 21:27:58 <mortenmj> lbt: not following
Dec 07 21:27:58 <rumohr> hm. okay.. i'll read more and come back later ;)
Dec 07 21:28:21 <lbt> mortenmj: http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group
Dec 07 21:28:55 <slaine> thiago_home: where those notes any use btw ?
Dec 07 21:29:00 <lbt> it's been a floating question for ages
Dec 07 21:29:18 <lbt> mortenmj: and we discussed it at meegoconf
Dec 07 21:29:29 <lbt> I must write some things up
Dec 07 21:29:31 <mortenmj> lbt: we met?
Dec 07 21:29:40 <lbt> generic we
Dec 07 21:29:45 <lbt> but maybe :)
Dec 07 21:29:50 <mortenmj> we might have
Dec 07 21:29:55 <mattymo> anyone ever get meego installed on a fedora 14 system?
Dec 07 21:30:06 <CosmoHill> mortenmj: you see that tree over the road from your bedroom window...
Dec 07 21:30:15 <mortenmj> anyway, what me and tgall_foo are talking about is a website that let's you search packages available for the distribution
Dec 07 21:30:43 <lbt> ah.... that'll be (we expect) based on the OBS
Dec 07 21:30:44 <mortenmj> lbt: packages.ubuntu.com is an example of that
Dec 07 21:31:04 <mortenmj> well, if opensuse has a good solution that uses their OBS, there's no reason to reinvent the wheel
Dec 07 21:31:10 <CosmoHill> mortenmj: like a cataloug of packages for distros
Dec 07 21:31:30 <mortenmj> yes. you can search packages by name and content, as well as browse
Dec 07 21:31:33 <lbt> https://build.pub.meego.com/search/search
Dec 07 21:31:42 <lbt> type "xfce"
Dec 07 21:32:09 <lbt> there is also the "OCS" work being done
Dec 07 21:32:10 <jonnor> mattymo: what do you mean by installed?
Dec 07 21:32:14 <thiago_home> slaine: I haven't asked. I passed to the docs and QML people.
Dec 07 21:32:22 <slaine> k
Dec 07 21:32:30 <slaine> you got them at least
Dec 07 21:32:34 <lbt> which is all about app-store like things
Dec 07 21:32:46 <lbt> including screen-shots, votes etc
Dec 07 21:32:49 <mattymo> jonner, I did a yum group-install meego-netbook and it doesn't seem to work
Dec 07 21:33:02 <CosmoHill> mattymo: use zypper
Dec 07 21:33:04 <mattymo> I was wondering if anyone has any experience trying it that route
Dec 07 21:33:16 <CosmoHill> ~yum
Dec 07 21:33:16 <infobot> hmm... yum is Yellowdog Updater Modified, available from http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/
Dec 07 21:33:24 * mattymo prefers fedora over suse
Dec 07 21:33:35 <CosmoHill> sorry I assumed you were on meego
Dec 07 21:34:14 <thiago_home> slaine: yes, I did
Dec 07 21:34:27 <jonnor> mattymo: ah. This is best picked up in a Fedora support channel
Dec 07 21:34:49 <mattymo> ah well it was worth trying
Dec 07 21:35:03 <slaine> mattymo: what's up
Dec 07 21:35:39 <mattymo> I installed a dell mini 10v with f14 and then ran yum groupinstall meego-netbook, then tried to log in with fedora netbook as the desktop environment
Dec 07 21:35:44 <mattymo> and it logs into a white screen
Dec 07 21:35:55 <slaine> Ooo, nice
Dec 07 21:36:34 <jonnor> mattymo: make sure a bugreport is filed
Dec 07 21:36:43 <slaine> yeah, that's a fedora question as CosmoHill said. Look out for pbrobinson on either #fedora or #fedora-mini
Dec 07 21:37:00 <CosmoHill> #fedora is a nice channel
Dec 07 21:37:21 <mattymo> tried asking on #fedora earlier for anyone who uses meego
Dec 07 21:37:30 <mattymo> but irc support is not a sure bet
Dec 07 21:37:36 <slaine> no it's not
Dec 07 21:38:41 <slaine> Under your normal login, can you run 'mutter --replace' and have a functioning desktop
Dec 07 21:39:05 <mattymo> I can try
Dec 07 21:41:54 <tgall_foo> lbt: that would be far more useful if you could search through the file names located inside of the packages
Dec 07 21:42:39 <lbt> tgall_foo: mmm
Dec 07 21:49:33 <kaushik> Can we automate the building of meego core using rpmbuild?
Dec 07 21:50:15 <CosmoHill> you might be able to
Dec 07 21:50:25 <CosmoHill> but I can't quiet see the need for it
Dec 07 21:50:48 <CosmoHill> I mean if you are going to compile every package as they are you might as well just use the MeeGo ones
Dec 07 21:51:21 <CosmoHill> and if you're gonna change each package for a different build (e.g. non-SSSE3) you'd compile them one by one and test them
Dec 07 21:51:41 <alterego> lbt: do you have much QML experience?
Dec 07 21:51:54 <lbt> zero
Dec 07 21:51:58 <alterego> Heh
Dec 07 21:52:07 <alterego> What's the model number for the idea pads?
Dec 07 21:52:22 <alterego> That were distributed at the conference?
Dec 07 21:52:34 <ali1234> s10-3t
Dec 07 21:52:35 <lbt> S10 3t
Dec 07 21:52:40 <alterego> Cool, thanks.
Dec 07 21:53:31 <alterego> Did they come with wwan/3g cards?
Dec 07 21:54:00 <kaushik> CosmoHill: I dnt want to modify for now ..bt if there is a way we can automate the build w/o obs then it wud help
Dec 07 21:54:12 <kaushik> since i m facing problem setting up local obs
Dec 07 21:54:33 <CosmoHill> I think I once did "rpmbuild -ba *.spec" and that worked
Dec 07 21:54:40 <kaushik> ok
Dec 07 21:54:46 <CosmoHill> but that wsa for only a few RPMs with their dependancies already met
Dec 07 21:54:47 <kaushik> let me try
Dec 07 21:54:55 <kaushik> ok ...
Dec 07 21:54:59 <lbt> kaushik: you know you don't need an OBS to build locally ?
Dec 07 21:55:02 <alterego> lbt: are you running meego on your idea pad?
Dec 07 21:55:09 <lbt> alterego: of course
Dec 07 21:55:26 <alterego> Cool, got any ideas for apps then?
Dec 07 21:55:45 <alterego> I don't have any experience with meego netbook, so I don't know what is available.
Dec 07 21:56:37 <lbt> alterego: no... I'd start by finding one that has a good tutorial and basing the whole thing around that
Dec 07 21:57:01 <alterego> Okay
Dec 07 21:57:53 <ali1234> no 3g card with them, no
Dec 07 21:58:14 <alterego> Hrm, okay.
Dec 07 22:00:37 <kaushik> lbt: what should i use to build the sources locally? sorry for the delay
Dec 07 22:01:16 <Myrtti> building on N900?
Dec 07 22:01:19 <lbt> if you run "osc build" then it will download all the needed sources and dependencies and do a full compile
Dec 07 22:02:06 <kaushik> lbt: do you have some document or wiki page on it?
Dec 07 22:03:04 <lbt> hmm
Dec 07 22:03:37 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/Using_OBS_chroot_for_development
Dec 07 22:03:55 <kaushik> ok thanks
Dec 07 22:04:39 <lbt> it's not great I'm afraid
Dec 07 22:08:33 <abstract3d> if i want to make a virtualbox for handsets environment, i should go with aava or n900 .img?
Dec 07 22:08:38 <lbt> kaushik: here's one I wrote ages ago for debian packages... the 'flow' is the same http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building
Dec 07 22:08:52 <lbt> alterego: that ^^ link is what I had in mind for MeeGo
Dec 07 22:09:09 <kaushik> Cool
Dec 07 22:09:11 <kaushik> thanks
Dec 07 22:09:33 <alterego> lbt: neat.
Dec 07 22:09:39 <lbt> kaushik: and are you enabled on the community OBS ?
Dec 07 22:09:47 <alterego> QML isn't really suited to a notes application
Dec 07 22:09:57 <alterego> Maybe a todo or task list app would be better.
Dec 07 22:10:24 <alterego> Though I guess netbook is a bit different.
Dec 07 22:11:03 <kaushik> no .. I was about to ask that .. I am not enabled on the community obs. Let me clarify once again what I want to do. I have downloaded the rpm packages from meego. Now I need to build them locally without using community obs.
Dec 07 22:11:39 <lbt> is this "just because that's what you want to do"? Or do you have a goal ?
Dec 07 22:11:55 <mortenmj> lbt: there's no info in the wiki about using osc signkey to add a key for the meego repository. currently i have to use --no-verify. do you know how?
Dec 07 22:12:01 <kaushik> I have a goal.
Dec 07 22:12:21 <lbt> mortenmj: not off the top of my head
Dec 07 22:12:38 <kaushik> I have to modify package and then build it. For the same i want to build all the rpm packages at once.
Dec 07 22:12:41 <mortenmj> lbt: okay. what you said earlier about simply using "obs build" fails unless you've done that
Dec 07 22:12:59 <lbt> osc build --no-verify ?
Dec 07 22:13:06 <alterego> Asking some of the guys on Maemo, and they're all saying the same thing, we don't want to develop for MeeGo until it becomes usable on the N900 as a replacement for Maemo.
Dec 07 22:13:13 <alterego> Which we all know already,.
Dec 07 22:13:19 <alterego> So maybe promoting the use of the SDK.
Dec 07 22:13:36 <ali1234> meego will never be a replacement for maemo imho
Dec 07 22:13:46 <lbt> alterego: yeah. Well.
Dec 07 22:13:49 <alterego> Rather than having people install handset on their precious devices, get them to write their apps and check them on MeeGo emu
Dec 07 22:14:05 <mortenmj> lbt: yes, you need to use --no-verify unless you've added keys for the meego repository
Dec 07 22:14:14 <mortenmj> er, meego project on obs, i suppose is what i'm trying to say
Dec 07 22:14:17 <lbt> mortenmj: what OS?
Dec 07 22:14:23 <alterego> Having fremantle as a target on OBS will be a good step in that direction
Dec 07 22:14:26 <mortenmj> lbt: ubuntu
Dec 07 22:14:37 <lbt> I think this is because at that point you're using ubuntu's rpm
Dec 07 22:14:53 <mortenmj> lbt: sounds strange
Dec 07 22:15:04 * lbt never cared that much
Dec 07 22:15:33 <mortenmj> though it does fail for the rpm package. not sure if that's because it's special, or because it's the first in line
Dec 07 22:16:02 <lbt> I haven't read all the code
Dec 07 22:16:12 <lbt> it uses local tools to get and verify the packaes
Dec 07 22:16:16 <mortenmj> ah
Dec 07 22:16:23 <lbt> then it uses the local rpm to unpack into a chroot
Dec 07 22:16:37 <lbt> then it chroots and runs the post-inst scripts
Dec 07 22:16:50 <lbt> inside what is now a meego-ish environment
Dec 07 22:17:04 <lbt> then it continues to use the meego rpm to install the remaining packagesd
Dec 07 22:17:48 <lbt> so the initial --no-verify is probably at the local rpm level ..... you could fix it by importing the meego keys to the ubuntu rpm
Dec 07 22:18:03 * lbt is a debian guy so this rpm crap is just annoying ;)
Dec 07 22:18:31 <ali1234> ...if only rpm had a tool like debootstrap...
Dec 07 22:18:40 <lbt> it does
Dec 07 22:19:08 <ali1234> so why isn't meego using it?
Dec 07 22:19:19 <lbt> kiwi --prepare suse-11.2-JeOS --root $ROOTFS --add-profile xenFlavour --add-package less --add-package iputils --add-package kernel-xen --add-package wget --add-package less --add-package iputils --add-package terminfo --add-package emacs --add-package sudo
Dec 07 22:19:28 <lbt> NHIH
Dec 07 22:19:53 <lbt> they had 'mic'
Dec 07 22:20:07 <lbt> and the focus is images rather than rootfs's
Dec 07 22:20:09 <Stskeeps> ali1234: yum can actually 'debootstrap' .. mkdir the rights dir + repos, initialize a rpm db with --root=/chroot, yum --installroot=/chroot install yourpackages
Dec 07 22:20:23 <Stskeeps> and it uses host rpm/yum to do it
Dec 07 22:20:26 <Stskeeps> bbl sleep
Dec 07 22:20:26 <lbt> (but meego uses zypper)
Dec 07 22:20:32 * lbt hides
Dec 07 22:20:46 <alterego> Heh
Dec 07 22:20:49 <ali1234> but these tools have annoying habit of failing to work on arbitrary distros, unlike debootstrap which i have never seen fail even on the most whacked out environments
Dec 07 22:21:06 <lbt> true... I suggest you port it
Dec 07 22:21:17 <lbt> let me know when you need beta testers :)
Dec 07 22:21:30 <ali1234> port debootstrap to meego? sure, then you can install a real OS on your meego device in a chroot :)
Dec 07 22:23:01 <lbt> oh, I do *that* already.
Dec 07 22:23:16 <lbt> I guess doing it properly is too hard for you then?
Dec 07 22:23:21 <ali1234> properly?
Dec 07 22:23:23 <alterego> Heh
Dec 07 22:23:41 <lbt> yeah... making debootstrap work with rpms
Dec 07 22:23:49 <lbt> would be really useful
Dec 07 22:23:51 <ali1234> what would be the point?
Dec 07 22:24:03 <lbt> [22:18] <ali1234> ...if only rpm had a tool like debootstrap...
Dec 07 22:24:34 <ali1234> if only rpm had a tool like debootstrap... it still wouldn't be as good as debs
Dec 07 22:24:46 <javispedro> that should be easy
Dec 07 22:25:05 <javispedro> debootstrap only extracts all packages then delays running scripts to a second stage
Dec 07 22:25:13 <lbt> ali1234: come on ... you can troll better than that
Dec 07 22:25:18 <tripzero> lol
Dec 07 22:25:28 <ali1234> i know but it's getting late :)
Dec 07 22:29:52 <ali1234> actually, why doesn't mic just have a static librpm or something?
Dec 07 22:30:37 <lbt> oh, there's a lot about mic that could be improved
Dec 07 22:31:13 <ali1234> sure, but it would be nice if it at least behaved the same (with the same bugs) everywhere
Dec 07 22:31:34 <ali1234> consistent bugs can be worked around...
Dec 07 22:44:20 <tgall_foo> hmm does anyone know where the aegis-builder package comes from?   not finding anything on meego.gitorious.org
Dec 07 22:47:16 <lbt> DawnFoster: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/So_You_Want_To_Be_A_Task_Force  if you want to add it to the CO page
Dec 07 22:47:34 <Texrat> lol... love that title
Dec 07 22:47:54 <lbt> hey Texrat
Dec 07 22:48:01 <Texrat> hey lbt
Dec 07 22:48:05 * thiago_home shivers upon seeing aegis
Dec 07 22:48:15 <Texrat> you're doing great work my man
Dec 07 22:48:17 <lbt> thiago_home: what could possibly go wrong ?
Dec 07 22:48:26 <lbt> Texrat: :)
Dec 07 22:48:28 <berndhs> lbt: that's the community version of "great, send us the patch" ?
Dec 07 22:48:33 <thiago_home> lbt: right
Dec 07 22:48:56 <pupnik> well wrtten lbt
Dec 07 22:49:05 <lbt> berndhs: kinda ... we get volunteers but it's hard to get traction
Dec 07 22:49:31 <MohammadAG> could someone help with the SDK installation? curl's failing to download the sysroot
Dec 07 22:49:58 <thiago_home> I still need to watch ryan and elena's talks
Dec 07 22:50:08 * thiago_home checks if the videos are available now
Dec 07 22:50:14 <lbt> thiago_home: yeah.... missed them too
Dec 07 22:50:44 <lbt> and somehow I didn't bump into you enough to even have a coffee :(
Dec 07 22:50:51 <lbt> next time :)
Dec 07 22:51:30 <thiago_home> videos available
Dec 07 22:51:35 <thiago_home> loaded, will watch them tomorrow
Dec 07 22:51:57 <lbt> night all o/
Dec 07 22:52:05 <thiago_home> gnight lbt
Dec 07 22:52:40 <DawnFoster> lbt: sweet - I'll take a look
Dec 07 22:53:04 <DawnFoster> lbt: I was just overhauling the task lists on the CO page: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office
Dec 07 22:53:20 <DawnFoster> lbt: I'll integrate the task force info
Dec 07 23:23:34 <lcuk> oi lbt_away i didn't drift off!  i went stripping a thinkpad down to its component atoms
Dec 07 23:27:38 <berndhs> I think my ISP counts 53% packet loss as "up time"
Dec 07 23:28:18 <odin_> berndhs, are you Mr Stramm ?  and did meet you first on Sunday afternoon at the SDK talk at the conf ?
Dec 07 23:29:13 <berndhs> I'm Mr Stramm, but I wasn't at the conference
Dec 07 23:29:57 <odin_> ok a different Bernd
Dec 07 23:30:14 <berndhs> probably yes
Dec 07 23:30:40 <berndhs> a different Bernd Stramm would be unlikely though :)
Dec 07 23:31:29 <odin_> heh yes indeed, no I picked up your actual name from IPv6 research today, then though you maybe the same guy from conf
Dec 07 23:36:37 <berndhs> it seems strange that everyone is ignoring ipv6, IANA will run out of ipv4 before end of march
Dec 07 23:37:15 <odin_> yes indeed, you have added yourself to the bug, please comment to meego-dev
Dec 07 23:37:55 <odin_> but the IANA is not the end, since the last /8 go out, and APNIC will eat it first, followed by RIPE/ARIN
Dec 07 23:38:11 <berndhs> oh sure
Dec 07 23:38:28 <odin_> so maybe upto 18 months before actual panic happens but most ISPs seem to have enough in reserve anyway
Dec 07 23:38:39 <berndhs> but the top level will run out of ipv4 before meego releases 1.2
Dec 07 23:38:50 <odin_> toplevel ?
Dec 07 23:39:23 <berndhs> and I would think meego wants to be ready top to bottom for ipv6
Dec 07 23:39:30 <odin_> isn't all IP addresses space is allocated from LIR (Local Intenet Registries) for PI and PA
Dec 07 23:39:46 <berndhs> top level = allocation to RIRs
Dec 07 23:41:03 <rumohr> in the presentation of the mobile simplified secrurity framework is mentioned "integrity protection ensures protection of tcb, apps and data".. what does TCB stand for?
Dec 07 23:41:25 <odin_> well a usual nothing is done enough there is panic, should be good for asian el-cheapo router manufacturers to push out a few generations of "IP6 support here" stickers
Dec 07 23:44:25 <irieKEN> Is there a more regularly updated Meego on N8x0 page than http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0
Dec 07 23:44:27 <irieKEN> ?
Dec 07 23:48:27 <CosmoHill> probably not
Dec 07 23:48:28 <kaushik> Need an access to online obs
Dec 07 23:48:32 <berndhs> this is rough today, power failure, network keeps dropping
Dec 07 23:49:15 <irieKEN> Heh.
Dec 07 23:49:39 <CosmoHill> berndhs: at least the coffee machine still works :)
Dec 07 23:49:53 <irieKEN> I've dug through the IRC logs, and it does seem like my trusty N810 will soon have to be retired.
Dec 07 23:49:59 <berndhs> yeah the critical parts ar ok
Dec 07 23:53:05 <CosmoHill> berndhs: I'm hoping this wasn't me but around the time I was turning my plugs on and off for the cluster the power went out for some of the sockets
Dec 07 23:53:57 <berndhs> I doubt your failure propagated over here :)
Dec 08 00:13:02 <odin_> Hmm... might be nice if the favicon.ico for various Meego things could be tweaked slightly ?  like bugs/repo/wiki/forums/meego.com, playing hunt that tab
Dec 08 00:14:24 <odin_> actually obs is ok, even if its not the same icon as on the main page
Dec 08 00:53:42 <pupnik> the openpandora video running linux / openembedded shows how much more capable it is than android on a 256MB omap3 than is android  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZKGlg9Ur9k
Dec 08 00:53:49 <pupnik> erp
Dec 08 00:53:51 <pupnik> bad edit
Dec 08 02:35:12 <hlzxy> could someone tell me something about spec file ,like  the role 'Source0'
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